1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 28 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 173       Contents:2 basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}6 Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}6 Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}6 Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}6 Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}6 Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}6 Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}, Re: Broken PCSI$DATABASE file -- how to fix? Re: Device names in OVMS ?? 
 IBM Brazil Msg for the OpenVMS doc Group  openvmsdoc@hp.com broken Re: openvmsdoc@hp.com broken Re: openvmsdoc@hp.com broken Re: openvmsdoc@hp.com broken Re: openvmsdoc@hp.com broken Re: Radiator Radius server Re: Radiator Radius serverB Re: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminals, Re: VMS 7.3-2 operating-system documentation, Re: VMS 7.3-2 operating-system documentation9 [On-Topic]Inquirer: How the IT media manipulates the news = Re: [On-Topic]Inquirer: How the IT media manipulates the news ) [OT] Outlook 2003 efficiency against spam - RE: [OT] Outlook 2003 efficiency against spam   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:34:08 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply); Subject: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} $ Message-ID: <c4666g$hjt$1@online.de>  E In my quest to collect interesting hardware, I sometimes end up with  H stuff which is too old, big, slow, power-hungry etc for my needs.  Such F a beast has ALPHAserver 2000 4/200 on the front, but the display says  233 instead of 200.   H I plan to find a good home for this, since it is too big for me and, if H I read the labels correctly, consumes too much power.  (If I were rich, 0 I would keep it just for the sake of nostalgia.)  G I'm trying to get to the console prompt, then want to boot VMS just to  ; make sure everything is OK, see how much memory it has etc.   I It has two 9-pin serial ports (like the ALPHAstation 255/233) labelled 1  $ and 2.  It ALSO has a graphics card.  D I don't see a console prompt on a VT320 set to the standard settingsI (receive=transmit=9600, 8 bits no parity etc).  It seems to power up and  8 run through the self-tests OK, based on the LCD display.  F Since the ALPHAstation 255/233 is a) 500 km away and b) waiting for a G capacitor replacement, unfortunately I have nothing to verify that the  3 cables I'm using are a) correct and b) not damaged.   G I tried a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| BCC08 which has "CONSOLE" written on the big  G end and "PR1" written on the other end.  Should I expect this cable to   work?   F Is it possible that the console is set to graphics?  If so, how can I @ change it (preferably without having to pull the graphics card).  = Which of the serial connectors should be the console (OPA0:)?   E Apparently, this machine has two CPUs.  Is one of them comparable in   speed to the 255/233 (21064A)?  G I already have someone who is possibly interested in this machine.  If  F that doesn't pan out, I'll post again here (after I know the specs in F detail) but if someone else is interested, feel free to let me know.  I The machine is near Frankfurt am Main in Germany.  I will be doing a lot  H of travelling in the summer and it is possible that I could bring it to H its new home, though obviously I would prefer for someone to collect it 2 where it is now (just a few km from the Autobahn).  I In August, I'll also have an ALPHAserver 2100 which will also be looking   for a new home.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:59:58 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)? Subject: Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} $ Message-ID: <c46enu$3su$1@online.de>  D In article <c4666g$hjt$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de3 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:    G > In my quest to collect interesting hardware, I sometimes end up with  J > stuff which is too old, big, slow, power-hungry etc for my needs.  Such H > a beast has ALPHAserver 2000 4/200 on the front, but the display says  > 233 instead of 200.   B I forgot one other question: When one opens up the big door on theG front, there are three switches.  The top one is for power, the bottom  F one for reset.  The one between these two is labelled with a triangle E inside a circle.  On some VAXstations this is the "HALT" switch.  Is  I that the case here as well?  If so, why is it a two-position switch like  I the power switch ("on" and "off") rather than a one-position switch like  D the reset button which just does something when pressed but doesn't I change from one state to another?  Like the power switch, it has a green  B LED next to it which lights up when it is in the "on" (depressed) 	 position.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:52:23 GMT 1 From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> ? Subject: Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} : Message-ID: <slrnc6divm.ho7.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>  ` On 2004-03-28, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:G > In my quest to collect interesting hardware, I sometimes end up with  J > stuff which is too old, big, slow, power-hungry etc for my needs.  Such H > a beast has ALPHAserver 2000 4/200 on the front, but the display says  > 233 instead of 200.   J It's a 233. The CPU has been upgraded, and the sticker on the front wasn'tK replaced. The display is set by firmware when it's figured out what kind of  machine it is.  J > I plan to find a good home for this, since it is too big for me and, if J > I read the labels correctly, consumes too much power.  (If I were rich, 2 > I would keep it just for the sake of nostalgia.)  K The power consumption on the back is a maximum value; unless the machine is G stuffed full of memory and CPUs and disk drives and expansion cards, it # won't draw anywhere near that much.   I > I'm trying to get to the console prompt, then want to boot VMS just to  = > make sure everything is OK, see how much memory it has etc.   J See my previous post. Boot it with the HALT switch in. Once you've got theH SRM prompt (>>>), then do "show config", and you'll get all the details.  I > I tried a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| BCC08 which has "CONSOLE" written on the big  I > end and "PR1" written on the other end.  Should I expect this cable to   > work?   E no. That cable is for a VAXstation 2000 only, and has funny wiring. A K standard 9-pin serial connection will work, however; it has the same pinout  as a PC.  H > Is it possible that the console is set to graphics?  If so, how can I B > change it (preferably without having to pull the graphics card).  I If you boot the machine without a keyboard plugged into the PS/2 keyboard * port, it'll come up on the serial console.  ? > Which of the serial connectors should be the console (OPA0:)?    The one labeled 1.  G > Apparently, this machine has two CPUs.  Is one of them comparable in    > speed to the 255/233 (21064A)?  G Yes, plus or minus being an EV4 instead of an EV45. (I don't know which ! generation the 2100's CPUs are.)     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:44:51 GMT 1 From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> ? Subject: Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} : Message-ID: <slrnc6dihh.ho7.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>  ` On 2004-03-28, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:D > I forgot one other question: When one opens up the big door on theI > front, there are three switches.  The top one is for power, the bottom  H > one for reset.  The one between these two is labelled with a triangle G > inside a circle.  On some VAXstations this is the "HALT" switch.  Is  K > that the case here as well?  If so, why is it a two-position switch like  K > the power switch ("on" and "off") rather than a one-position switch like  F > the reset button which just does something when pressed but doesn't K > change from one state to another?  Like the power switch, it has a green  D > LED next to it which lights up when it is in the "on" (depressed)  > position.   J On the Alpha, the HALT switch is indeed a two position switch instead of aL momentary one. The switch can be left in when booting to force the system toE stop at the SRM console, independent of the setting of the boot_os or J auto_action variables. Pushing it will also force an immediate drop to the SRM console.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:45:44 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)? Subject: Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} $ Message-ID: <c46ku8$1if$1@online.de>  F In article <slrnc6divm.ho7.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>, Jay Maynard( <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> writes:   L > It's a 233. The CPU has been upgraded, and the sticker on the front wasn'tM > replaced. The display is set by firmware when it's figured out what kind of  > machine it is.   That's what I suspected.  L > > I plan to find a good home for this, since it is too big for me and, if L > > I read the labels correctly, consumes too much power.  (If I were rich, 4 > > I would keep it just for the sake of nostalgia.) > M > The power consumption on the back is a maximum value; unless the machine is I > stuffed full of memory and CPUs and disk drives and expansion cards, it % > won't draw anywhere near that much.   H It doesn't have that much stuff in it, though I'm not sure exactly what E it has.  It DOES have 2 CPUs, though (I can see that much on the LCD  	 display).   G What about the fans?  I think there are at least 4.  Do they draw much  F current?  Surprisingly, it wasn't very loud.  If I find room for it I  might keep it after all.  :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:08:09 GMT 1 From: Jay Maynard <jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx> ? Subject: Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} : Message-ID: <slrnc6dquc.i9u.jmaynard@thebrain.conmicro.cx>  ` On 2004-03-28, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de> wrote:I > What about the fans?  I think there are at least 4.  Do they draw much  H > current?  Surprisingly, it wasn't very loud.  If I find room for it I  > might keep it after all.  :-)   K If it's not too loud, the thing's probably worth keeping to hack around on.  The fans don't draw much power.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:26:35 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>? Subject: Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} - Message-ID: <871xndnon8.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  D > I tried a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| BCC08 which has "CONSOLE" written on theC > big end and "PR1" written on the other end.  Should I expect this  > cable to work?  E That is the Pro/uV-II pinout, not the `PC' one. All Alphas use the PC  pin out for DB9 serial ports.   E > Is it possible that the console is set to graphics?  If so, how can D > I change it (preferably without having to pull the graphics card).  I Abnging on <CR> a few times on powerup test may do it. Varies with model.   ? > Which of the serial connectors should be the console (OPA0:)?    COM1  F > Apparently, this machine has two CPUs.  Is one of them comparable in  > speed to the 255/233 (21064A)?  F Both will be the same, if it has 2. The display can be set to anything BTW, from SRM.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:58:32 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>5 Subject: Re: Broken PCSI$DATABASE file -- how to fix? - Message-ID: <c46sn8$2sn$2@biggoron.nerim.net>    David B Sneddon wrote:   > Didier Morandi espoused: > 9 >> When you do a $ prod sh prod, do you get an error too?  >> >> D.  >  > J > I can do PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT, PRODUCT SHOW OBJECT and PRODUCT SHOW HIST > commands with no problems. >    Could you do an $ ana/rms on  I SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.][SYSEXE]DEC-AXPVMS-VMS-V0703-2.PCSI$DATABASE;1    pls.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 12:16:27 +0300 @ From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Veli_K=F6rkk=F6?= <veli.korkko@kolumbus.fi>$ Subject: Re: Device names in OVMS ??1 Message-ID: <c4655e$p1l$1@phys-news1.kolumbus.fi>   G Typically MIA0 as device name would indicate a tape drive connected via E DSSI bus, so e.q. TF85/TF86 would show up as MIxn (e.q. MIA0 or MIB5) E depending on which DSSI bus device is connected to and also what VMS  ? version we are running. On later versions all DSSI devices had  C controller letter A, i.e. even device on say bus C would still have B name MIAn and one needed to make sure that we had no unit numbers  assigned twice.    _veli    Roert G. Schaffrath wrote: E > Just curious but what is bus type "I"?  In the SIMH simulator, if I I > leave the MSCP TQ controller set to "TK50", I get devices MUA0: through F > MUA3: with a device type "TK50".  However, if I set the TQ device toH > "TK70", I get devices MIA0: through MIA3: and a device type of "TF70". >  > Robert >  > Reinhard Eigner wrote: > E >>>Would like to know, how the devices are named in OVMS. When a tape E >>>device is recognized as MKH100, what does each and every character B >>>represents? What  exactly the last numerical numbers represent? >>( >>D -> device type (D=disk, M=tape, ...)@ >>K -> bus type (K=scsi, Q=ide, V=floppy disk, s=shadowset, ...) >>A -> "number" of controller  >>0  -> unit number  >> >>B >>>If I connect a scsi tape autoloader to an OVMS system, will theE >>>controller of the autoloader get detected as a device? If yes what C >>>will be the device name for the controller of any autoloader? If E >>>controller is not auotomatically detected, then what configuration 0 >>>needs to be done to recognize it as a device? >>= >>We have an autoloader from Compaq. The device is shown as a G >>"normal" tape drive. We had to install a software called "tape robot" A >>When you start the programm you get a prompt where you can load  >>and unload tapes. < >>But I don't have any expirience with other tape libraries. >> >>HTH 
 >>Reinhard   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Mar 2004 10:17:08 -0800. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: IBM Brazil = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0403281017.7bd93fee@posting.google.com>   4 Today I read an IBM employment ad in the newspaper. 4 This company is hiring  a lot of professionals with  experience in:  5 AIX / Solaris / HPUX / Fujitsu / EMC / CISCO / etc...   ( I think it is because of it (from Cnet):  : http://news.com.com/2100-7784_3-5176428.html?tag=nefd_lede  / Well... you know - No mention about OpenVMS  !    G I dont know about OVMS jobs here in Brazil (Rio) since 2000 or 2001  !  : By the way .. I dont read Good News about OpenVMS ports to@ Itanium for a long time in this newsgroup (since the AMD OpteronC rumours) , or in Cnet, or in TheInquirer !  Is it lagged/stopped ?       Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:13:18 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>& Subject: Msg for the OpenVMS doc Group. Message-ID: <c461eu$2mmo$3@biggoron.nerim.net>   Good morning Friends,   B Page http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/doc_order.html contains a typo:  Ordering HP OpenVMS Documenation                             * 
 Best regards,    D.  J     didier morandi  ~ sarl au capital de 8 000 euros ~  Revendeur agr HPJ     HP ~ COMPAQ ~ DIGITAL ~ APPLE ~ Formation ~ Programmation ~ MigrationsI      19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France. Tl: 33(0)6 7983 6418 H       SIRET 448 694 851 00016 RCS Toulouse  http://www.didiermorandi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:11:52 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>! Subject: openvmsdoc@hp.com broken . Message-ID: <c461c8$2mmo$1@biggoron.nerim.net>    > -----Message d'origine-----  > De : Mail Delivery System0  > [mailto:MAILER-DAEMON@ccerelrim03.cce.hp.com]'  > Envoy : dimanche 28 mars 2004 10:06 !  >  : Didier.Morandi@freesurf.fr .  > Objet : Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender  >>  > This is the Postfix program at host ccerelrim03.cce.hp.com.  ><  > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned<  > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations.  >;  > For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster>   ><  > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can8  > delete your own text from the message returned below.  >  > 			The Postfix program   >H  > <openvmsdoc@hp.com>: host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 550 during RCPT:?  >     <openvmsdoc@hp.com>: User unknown in virtual alias table   > (in reply to end   >     of DATA command)   >   D. --  2 VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!2 EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France/       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928 $                 http://www.vaxus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 03:20:26 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: openvmsdoc@hp.com broken ) Message-ID: <40667CA3.570035B9@istop.com>    Didier Morandi wrote: J >  > <openvmsdoc@hp.com>: host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 550 during RCPT:A >  >     <openvmsdoc@hp.com>: User unknown in virtual alias table  >  > (in reply to end  >  >     of DATA command)   N If it was done at the end of the DATA command and not at the RCPT TO: command,L then it is probably spam protection. (after it has examined your RFC headers( in conjunction with your SMTP commands).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:39:10 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> % Subject: Re: openvmsdoc@hp.com broken : Message-ID: <c466ss$2esgrb$1@ID-152801.news.uni-berlin.de>  , On 2004-03-28 10:11, "Didier Morandi" wrote:    >  > -----Message d'origine----- >  > [...]  > J >  > <openvmsdoc@hp.com>: host 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1] said: 550 during RCPT:A >  >     <openvmsdoc@hp.com>: User unknown in virtual alias table  >  > (in reply to end  >  >     of DATA command)   D Judging from the response they have just recently upgraded to TCP/IPF Services V5.4 *ECO1* -- which has been reported here to block incomingC mails immediately if the recipient's name is unknown to the system.    Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. @ Please do *not* send "Security Patch Notifications" or "SecurityA Updates"; this system isn't running a Micro$oft operating system. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 05:15:00 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>% Subject: Re: openvmsdoc@hp.com broken ) Message-ID: <40669775.1B002E68@istop.com>    Just did a test.  S For time I tried, I got the error message posted by Didier at the RCPT TO: message.   7 But second time I tried, it accepted the email address.   J I suspect perhaps some of the SMTP servers (HP has a lot) are out of sync.  1 Have you tried sending to openvmsdoc@compaq.com ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:33:27 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>% Subject: Re: openvmsdoc@hp.com broken - Message-ID: <c46r87$2ag$1@biggoron.nerim.net>    JF Mezei wrote:    > Just did a test. > U > For time I tried, I got the error message posted by Didier at the RCPT TO: message. 9 > But second time I tried, it accepted the email address. L > I suspect perhaps some of the SMTP servers (HP has a lot) are out of sync.3 > Have you tried sending to openvmsdoc@compaq.com ?      -----Message d'origine----- ;   De : postmaster@Compaq.com [mailto:postmaster@Compaq.com] &   Envoy : dimanche 28 mars 2004 17:31    : didiermorandi@nerim.net 0   Objet : Delivery Status Notification (Failure)  B   This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.  .   Delivery to the following recipients failed.            openvmsdoc@compaq.com  0 Reporting-MTA: dns;cceexg12.americas.cpqcorp.net/ Received-From-MTA: dns;zcamail02.zca.compaq.com - Arrival-Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:30:58 -0600   - Final-Recipient: rfc822;openvmsdoc@compaq.com  Action: failed
 Status: 5.1.1    Other ideas?   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Mar 2004 23:35:30 -08004 From: francesco.gennai@iat.cnr.it (Francesco Gennai)# Subject: Re: Radiator Radius server < Message-ID: <72f5654.0403272335.40750306@posting.google.com>  u "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU> wrote in message news:<5F9D249C93DBAE5D4C9FF7EAD0CEC8F5@nntp>...  > Hi !F > 	Do you realy need the RADIATOR ? There is a pure VMS RADIUS server.   Dear Ruslan,K I would authenticate with EAP TLS, TTLS and so on... ( using IEEE 802.1x )  E I have seen that Radiator supports such protocols and that should run A on OpenVMS, but, to support such protocols, it requires some Perl A modules (net_ssleay....and others) that I was not able to install  on OpenVMS.   O If VMS RADIUS has comparable features I could be very interested in VMS RADIUS.   F I have already visited the VMS RADIUS web page, but I didn't found theJ features that I'm searching for, maybe you could give me more information.   Thanks !	 Francesco    >  > Francesco Gennai wrote: F > > Is there someone on this newsgroup that has successfully installed' > > Radiator Radius server on OpenVMS ? ( > > ( http://www.open.com.au/radiator/ ) > > I > > I would have on overview about such experience before to start with a  > > new installation.  > > > > > It could involve the installation of some perl modules too > > (net_ssleay, ...). > > 
 > > Francesco  > >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:22:31 +0400 : From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU># Subject: Re: Radiator Radius server 3 Message-ID: <59799567A2D5623DE915A2C75B92701B@nntp>    Hello!  E > Dear Ruslan, I would authenticate with EAP TLS, TTLS and so on... ( G > using IEEE 802.1x ) I have seen that Radiator supports such protocols D > and that should run on OpenVMS, but, to support such protocols, itF > requires some Perl modules (net_ssleay....and others) that I was not > able to install on OpenVMS. 9 	Sorry, these auth-metods is not suppotred at the time...  > E > If VMS RADIUS has comparable features I could be very interested in 
 > VMS RADIUS.  > D > I have already visited the VMS RADIUS web page, but I didn't foundC > the features that I'm searching for, maybe you could give me more  > information.1 	Probaly, I'll add these features in near future.  >  > Thanks ! Francesco >  >  >> Francesco Gennai wrote: >>  < >>> Is there someone on this newsgroup that has successfully3 >>> installed Radiator Radius server on OpenVMS ? ( & >>> http://www.open.com.au/radiator/ ) >>> B >>> I would have on overview about such experience before to start >>> with a new installation. >>> ? >>> It could involve the installation of some perl modules too   >>> (net_ssleay, ...). >>> 
 >>> Francesco  >>>  >  >    --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+C   RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/ @   TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:55:04 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>K Subject: Re: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminals - Message-ID: <8765cpnq3r.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  ; > In article <00A2F753.C84ABCB7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   > @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:   F >> Connect the terminal to the TS.  Make sure you've loaded LAT on the? >> Alpha and VAX and that incoming LAT connections are enabled.   E > Presumably, that is the case since SET HOST/LAT works from any node  > to any other node, right?   D Yep, modulo the small detail that LATs startup only enables incomingE conects, so doing a SET HOST/LAT won't work until you enable outgoing  conections.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:11:59 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>5 Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-2 operating-system documentation . Message-ID: <c461cf$2mmo$2@biggoron.nerim.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: K > Is this correct: there are two CDs of documentation (excluding the 3 CDs  J > of documentation for the layered products which shipped around the same D > time) for the VMS 7.3-2 operating-system, one for VMS and one for G > Windows.  Despite the label printed on the CD (NOT the actual volume  I > label) which contains "_2", there is only 1 VMS 7.3-2 operating-system   > for reading on VMS machines.  ! I do not understand the question.   6 "there are two CDs of documentation. Is this correct?" The answer is Yes it is.  I "there is only 1 VMS 7.3-2 operating-system  for reading on VMS machines"  The answer is again Yes.  C The first CD is an ODS2 or 5 (dunno) CD which can be read form VMS. N The second one is a PC readable copy of the very same CD, to me, and contains  the same data.   What is your concern?    D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:19:33 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)5 Subject: Re: VMS 7.3-2 operating-system documentation $ Message-ID: <c465b5$fto$1@online.de>  = In article <c461cf$2mmo$2@biggoron.nerim.net>, Didier Morandi  <no@spam.com> writes:   M > > Is this correct: there are two CDs of documentation (excluding the 3 CDs  L > > of documentation for the layered products which shipped around the same F > > time) for the VMS 7.3-2 operating-system, one for VMS and one for I > > Windows.  Despite the label printed on the CD (NOT the actual volume  K > > label) which contains "_2", there is only 1 VMS 7.3-2 operating-system    > > for reading on VMS machines. > # > I do not understand the question.  > 8 > "there are two CDs of documentation. Is this correct?" > The answer is Yes it is. > K > "there is only 1 VMS 7.3-2 operating-system  for reading on VMS machines"  > The answer is again Yes. > E > The first CD is an ODS2 or 5 (dunno) CD which can be read form VMS. P > The second one is a PC readable copy of the very same CD, to me, and contains  > the same data. >  > What is your concern?   B Normally, the VMS volume label is printed on the CD.  For the VMS ' documentation CD, they do not coincide.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:03:54 +0000 (UTC) G From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@expires-2004-03-31.arcornews.de> B Subject: [On-Topic]Inquirer: How the IT media manipulates the news2 Message-ID: <c46pgq$3nm$1@stubsi.arcor-online.net>  0 As already astutely observed by JF Mezei here...B http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=406283A4.9353B557%40istop.com  C now Mr. John McLean has written in The Inquirer about the apparent  K manipulation of IT News and its moral implications, especially in the case  F of the recent HP OpenVMS contract announcement with the U.S. Veterans F Administration which actually pulled up most of the IT stock market.    M The article is not titled so that one would know it's about VMS. So, here is   where to find the article.  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14997   G Here is Mr. McLean's editorial for those without browser access to the   Internet...   ' _How the IT media manipulates the news_   1 Comment Black Widows, Cobol, Fortran and the rest   + By John McLean: Sunday 28 March 2004, 07:45 L LAST WEEK there was an interesting example of how the general perception of I the IT industry can be influenced and perhaps even manipulated by the IT   media.  K Last Wednesday, Hewlett-Packard released a press statement which said that  L the US Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) had signed a contract worth $784 H million dollars over 10 years. Under the terms of the contract HP would K provide support for the VistA Health Information Systems which are used at  " all 170 medical centres run by VA.  M HP's statement went on to say that the current VistA system was an "adaptive  M environment that has increased performance, utilizes 64-bit architecture and  & has enhanced reliability and up-time."  E You might think that a system with these characteristics could be of  J interest to a few IT decision-makers, but it seems like the IT news media  begs to differ.   L I have a strong suspicion that the deciding factor for the lack of coverage M of HP's announcement was that the operating system was OpenVMS. It is simply  B an operating system that the media clearly prefers not to mention.  L In fact, in fifteen IT publications I found by an online search, only three K of them included a sentence mentioning OpenVMS and two of those shared the  M same story. All of the others didn't mention OpenVMS nor the characteristics  H of the platform used for VistA. One managed to have 12 sentences - HP's 4 release only had 17 - and still managed to avoid it.  F OpenVMS is treated like a black widow spider. About three years ago a K well-known online publication had a lengthy article about the best systems  L for clustering. Given that OpenVMS had clustering back in 1985 and it still M has features unmatched by other forms of clustering, it came as something of  4 a surprise that it was not mentioned in the article.  C I emailed the journalist then to ask why, especially because I had  M previously seen articles by him which mentioned OpenVMS. His reply basically  L was that his original article included OpenVMS but the editor removed those 	 sections.   F Recently there has been a lot of soul-searching by journalists in all J spheres of activity about what it is that they do, how they do it and how ? their codes of ethics should reflect this. [Not here mate, Ed.]   J In the U.S. the Society of Professional Journalists (SPJ) preamble to its I code of ethics states that it "believes that public enlightenment is the  G forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the  E journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a  K comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from  K all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and  	 honesty."   L At the same time there has been considerable discussion whether ethics have M been sacrificed for the sake of making money. There are fears that The Truth  F has been the loser as the media tries not to upset advertisers or the J perceived biases of the readers because a loss of revenue could easily be M the result. The rise of global news networks has also meant that journalists  L must tread very carefully with stories about parts of the company they work ; for or they might find themselves with limited job options.   M One consequence of all this is the dumbing down of news and the rise of what  M is scathingly called "infotainment" or "newszak", but another consequence is  G the filtering of the news by the various media services. Don't put the  < readers off their breakfast, is a phrase that has been used.  I There is also the question of how much the media reports opinion and how  H much it influences opinion, and whether this symbiotic relationship too K easily builds one opinion to the exclusion of others. For good examples of  K this one only has to look at how the US media has covered the situation in  I Iraq over the last 18 months compared to numerous European media sources  L where a variety of opinions were expressed. Please, not a million emails of 4 feedback on this point. I only use it as an example.  F IT publications have these problems just as much as the news media at  large.  K We know that specialist IT publications are quite selective in the matters iK that they deal with but they probably aren't always as thorough with their  K critical analysis as they might be. The nature of specialising means their  B audience is limited and so is the number of potential advertisers.  K Larger and more general publications have no excuse for not complying with 0G the journalistic codes of ethics. The SPJ code states that journalists eK should endeavour to "give voice to the voiceless" but it seems that the IT  J media often ignore this in preference to writing almost exclusively about H the "flavour of the month" hardware, applications and operating systems.  L To what extent these publications also cater to advertisers and reflect the F biases of their readers is a matter for your perception. What is more G obvious is how through their statements or omissions they give rise to tK opinions that do not always match the facts and then snowball that opinion e in selective quotes.  I The term "legacy system" is a case in point. Older hardware does not sit yK well with advertisers who would like to be selling new machines and so the -I publications subtly denigrate these systems and call them "legacy". Over  H time the same outlets publish quotes expressing the opinion that legacy K systems are a bad thing and this reinforces the perception. The reality is eM that companies are pragmatic and would replace older systems if they did not c? provide good value for the money spent, but apparently they do.c  J Cobol and Fortran - and OpenVMS for that matter - are rarely mentioned in J the IT media and you might be forgiven for thinking that they disappeared M years ago. They haven't. All are still being used, in plenty. The problem is  K that editors of IT publications have decided these are not worth reporting.o  H The moral is obvious - consider what biases publications might apply to I their reports and try to investigate if there is significant information eJ that they are not telling you or even simply distorting. Truth is often a  slippery commodity. e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:56:55 +0200m" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>F Subject: Re: [On-Topic]Inquirer: How the IT media manipulates the news- Message-ID: <c46sk7$2sn$1@biggoron.nerim.net>d   Keith Cayemberg wrote:  2 > As already astutely observed by JF Mezei here...D > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=406283A4.9353B557%40istop.com > E > now Mr. John McLean has written in The Inquirer about the apparent  M > manipulation of IT News and its moral implications, especially in the case nH > of the recent HP OpenVMS contract announcement with the U.S. Veterans H > Administration which actually pulled up most of the IT stock market.   > O > The article is not titled so that one would know it's about VMS. So, here is r > where to find the article. > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14997t  N I'm very proud to say that it has been an honour (a pleasant honour) to share ' John's office for one year in the past.e  O If VMS finally comes to rebirth (which is less and less evident due to the AMD t@ affair), John will certainly share some glorious responsibility.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:46:33 +0200d" From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>2 Subject: [OT] Outlook 2003 efficiency against spam- Message-ID: <c46s0p$2lb$1@biggoron.nerim.net>o  O I generally avoid posting Off Topics now, since Hein VDH asked me to do so :-) AP but I wish to share with you all, during that noisy spam times, how surprized I , am since I upgraded MS Outlook 2000 to 2003.  J Outlook 2003 has a filtering feature that I find just amazing in terms of 1 efficiency. It provides four levels of filtering:j  I o No filter: Mail from locked out senders only is sent to the spam folder6F o Light level: Mail which "looks like" spam is sent to the spam folderJ o High level: Most of the spam-like mail is moved to the spam folder, but N regular messages may be trapped too. Spam folder should be checked regularily.Q o Approved only: Only mail from approved senders is sent to the inbox, all other a= messages are considered as spam and moved to the spam folder.   Q There is also an option which forces spam mail to be deleted immediately instead nO of being moved to the spam folder. And of course an option which empties (sp?) nG the deleted folder when leaving Outlook (better when you run Kaspersky i anti-virus at nite)   P I used the high level during a whole month, checking the spam folder every day, O and found NO regular mail in it, so today, I use that level of protection with aP the automatic delete feature on and my life has changed (around 50 to 80 spam a  day).u  O One question however: how does Outlook consider mail to "look like spam"? i.e. n/ what is the algorithm used for decision making?t   Interesting question, isn't it?    FYWI   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 08:15:29 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>j6 Subject: RE: [OT] Outlook 2003 efficiency against spam9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEDADAAA.tom@kednos.com>o     -----Original Message-----+   From: Didier Morandi [mailto:no@spam.com].&   Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 7:47 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comw4   Subject: [OT] Outlook 2003 efficiency against spam    C   I generally avoid posting Off Topics now, since Hein VDH asked mes   to do so :-)A   but I wish to share with you all, during that noisy spam times,s   how surprized I .   am since I upgraded MS Outlook 2000 to 2003.  K   Outlook 2003 has a filtering feature that I find just amazing in terms of 3   efficiency. It provides four levels of filtering:t  K   o No filter: Mail from locked out senders only is sent to the spam foldereH   o Light level: Mail which "looks like" spam is sent to the spam folderK   o High level: Most of the spam-like mail is moved to the spam folder, buts<   regular messages may be trapped too. Spam folder should be   checked regularily.,A   o Approved only: Only mail from approved senders is sent to theo   inbox, all other?   messages are considered as spam and moved to the spam folder.e  >   There is also an option which forces spam mail to be deleted   immediately insteadOB   of being moved to the spam folder. And of course an option which   empties (sp?)eH   the deleted folder when leaving Outlook (better when you run Kaspersky   anti-virus at nite)P  ?   I used the high level during a whole month, checking the spamo   folder every day,e@   and found NO regular mail in it, so today, I use that level of   protection withcA   the automatic delete feature on and my life has changed (aroundi   50 to 80 spam a    day).s  J I take it that means you are still receiving that number daily, or was theG amount by which it was reduced?  Do you still get spam that it fails top detect?t How about viruses?  ?   One question however: how does Outlook consider mail to "looka   like spam"? i.e.1   what is the algorithm used for decision making?   !   Interesting question, isn't it?.     FYWI     D.     --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ----& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.173 ************************