1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 29 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 175       Contents:J Re: Algorithm requested to number pages to edit a leaflet from A5 document@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff? 6 Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}6 Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}, Re: Broken PCSI$DATABASE file -- how to fix?4 Business jumps out of MS pot and into linux fire ...8 Re: Business jumps out of MS pot and into linux fire ...  Re: Compaq Tape Drive 242853-B21 RE: CVS on VMS( Re: DCL minute of the Day: Disks catalog RE: Device names in OVMS ??  Multia (yet again) Re: Multia (yet again)G Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses! # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # RE: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more # Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more  Re: Post contains nasty wormD Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!!B RE: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminals Re: Sun On The Run?   Re: This is a Last Mohican fightP Re: This is a Last Mohican fight (was: [On-Topic]Inquirer: How the IT media mani VEST problem - RDBSHR wanted  Re: VEST problem - RDBSHR wanted  RE: VEST problem - RDBSHR wanted( Re: Whats Wrong with this Backup Command( RE: Whats Wrong with this Backup Command  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2004 14:08:03 GMT2 From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com>S Subject: Re: Algorithm requested to number pages to edit a leaflet from A5 document / Message-ID: <slrnc6gbe4.qg.thierry@MARS.Family>    Hello!  2 On 2004-03-28, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote:  R > I'm looking for a DCL proc to compute the way to edit some pages of a text file Q > to then print it and fold it in A5 vertical format (half 21x29,7 cm landscape).   O I don't have anything for DCL but there is PSUTILS, which has a psbook program,  which seems to do exactly this.   ( The algorithm would be something around:6 (taken from psbook.c for unix, didn't find it for VMS)      scanpages();       if (!signature)0       signature = maxpage = pages+(4-pages%4)%4;    else <       maxpage = pages+(signature-pages%signature)%signature;      /* rearrange pages */    writeheader(maxpage);    writeprolog();     writesetup();:    for (currentpg = 0; currentpg < maxpage; currentpg++) {5       int actualpg = currentpg - currentpg%signature;        switch(currentpg%4) { 
       case 0: 
       case 3: 9          actualpg += signature-1-(currentpg%signature)/2;           break; 
       case 1: 
       case 2: -          actualpg += (currentpg%signature)/2;           break;        }        if (actualpg < pages)           writepage(actualpg); 
       else          writeemptypage();    }    writetrailer();   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:50:35 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 0 Message-ID: <c49d3r$oel$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote: v > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<t7v4c.21572$1gU1.15168@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>... > ? >>"Ken Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote in message : >>news:Xnr4c.90668$eL2.4850859@twister.southeast.rr.com... >>1 >>>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message E >>>news:pyo4c.18372$iDG1.3599@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...  >>> 3 >>>>"Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in message 0 >>>>news:4052126b$0$294$636a15ce@news.free.fr... >>>>G >>>>>[from http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_10025,00.html?redir=CPBS12]  >>>>> C >>>>>AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers -  >>
 >> Delivering  >>E >>>>>high-performance solutions for today's most demanding enterprise  >> >> applications  >>D >>>>>The AMD OpteronT processor-based server, the Sun FireT V20z, is >> >> designed  >> to  >>C >>>>>deliver high performance for today's most demanding enterprise  >> >> applications. >>
 >> <snip>> >>' >>>>>The Business Benefits to Customers  >>>>> F >>>>>Choice and flexibility. With the addition of this new line of AMD >>
 >> Opteron >>G >>>>>processor-based servers to Sun's line of entry systems, Sun offers  >> >> customers a >>G >>>>>choice of architectures and platforms for their "scale out" needs.  >>>>>  >>>>
 >>>><snip> >>>>F >>>>Sun's choice of words, while sort of meaning the same as 'Alpha is >>	 >> dead',  >>I >>>>clearly does not piss customers off in the same way that Curly did in  >>>  >>>2001. >>>  >>>  >>>You mean Sparc is dead? >> >>J >>Reading between the lines, probably yes. Not this generation or the next- >>ones due, but most probably the ones after.  >>L >>Yet Sun has not said it in so many words, and not gone out of their way toN >>tell their customers that they are killing a proven architecture in favor ofL >>one that has yet to prove itself (funny, do I hear an echo of the Big Bang	 >>here?).  >>N >>Sun has a CEO (McNeely) who understands the value of customers and the valueM >>of marketing, unlike the CEO's of Digital, Compaq (excluding Pfeiffer), and L >>HP. Were Sun to have announced a Sparc-icide, how long would it have taken >>to spell 'bankruptcy'? >  > H > As I see it, Suns Opteron boxes is an effort to try to enter the LinuxF > market. Yes, they are porting Solaris to x86-64, but even Sun peopleE > say that most of their Opteron boxes will be used and sold as Linux  > boxes.  C It may suprise you but Sun has just become the largest Linux vendor A in terms of licences with JDS and none of that has anything to do E with what hardware platform the servers run because JDS is a desktop.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:53:37 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 0 Message-ID: <c49d9h$om4$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:H > "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message, > news:c3ffta$369$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... >  >>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: >> >>1 >>>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message F >>>news:t7v4c.21572$1gU1.15168@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... >>>  >>>  >>>>>You mean Sparc is dead? >>>> >>>>L >>>>Reading between the lines, probably yes. Not this generation or the next/ >>>>ones due, but most probably the ones after.  >>>>K >>>>Yet Sun has not said it in so many words, and not gone out of their way  >  > to > G >>>>tell their customers that they are killing a proven architecture in  >  > favor  >  >>>of  >>>  >>> I >>>>one that has yet to prove itself (funny, do I hear an echo of the Big  >  > Bang >  >>>>here?).  >>>> >>>  >>> K >>>As Lou Reed says - stick a fork in it, it's done.  Of course, if I was a  >  > Sun  > D >>>customer I'd want to know about the future of Sparc for planning. >>>  >> >>UltraSPARC IV+ >>UltraSPARC V	 >>Niagara  >>Rock >>8 >>All currently under development, some in first silicon >> >  > G > Bookmark this for when Sun eventually cancels some or all of them and H > announces that they will be pursuing an AMD strategy across the board. >   ; Ohhh dear ohhh dear, someone from HP trying to score points < against Sun based on the likelyhood of Sun executing against its processor roadmap.  ) If it wasn't so so sad it would be funny.   / Do I need to spell out to you why you have just . made yourself look more ridiculous than usual.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:57:30 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ( Subject: Re: Athlon 64 vs Opteron: diff?0 Message-ID: <c49dgq$om4$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Nigel Barker wrote: 5 > On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:55:39 +0000, Andrew Harrison , > <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote: >  >  >>Didier Morandi wrote:  >> >>L >>>Could someone please share some light on the differences between the AMD ( >>>Athlon-64 and the Opteron processors? >>>  >>B >>Athlon-64 is for single CPU systems, Opteron is for SMP systems. >  >  > Small SMP systems.  - No any SMP system, same as Itanium, or do you + think that you could build a very large SMP $ system using a single frontside Bus.  - If you do then a career in marketing beacons.   - Just as a hint and tip, peddling the HP party - line in Opteron and Itanium isn't a good idea ' because the party line isn't very good.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:26:56 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)? Subject: Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} $ Message-ID: <c48j3v$mse$1@online.de>  < In article <87k714n5ko.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi  <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:   C > There is also another power switch on the back, next to the power - > cord.  There should be a green LED near it.    Not on mine.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:16:13 -0500 + From: Lord Isildur <isildur@andrew.cmu.edu> ? Subject: Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58-035.0403291114410.4862@unix44.andrew.cmu.edu>  E this is a cable for a microvax. different pinout. the serial ports on $ the alpha are 'normal' 9-pin serial.H > I tried a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| BCC08 which has "CONSOLE" written on the bigH > end and "PR1" written on the other end.  Should I expect this cable to > work?   G > Is it possible that the console is set to graphics?  If so, how can I B > change it (preferably without having to pull the graphics card).  9 remove the video card, disconnect the keyboard and mouse.   ? > Which of the serial connectors should be the console (OPA0:)?    the zeroth one.    happy hacking, isildur    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:13:42 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> 5 Subject: Re: Broken PCSI$DATABASE file -- how to fix? * Message-ID: <4067F6D6.5060100@bigpond.com>   Didier Morandi espoused: > David B Sneddon wrote: >  >> Didier Morandi espoused:  >>: >>> When you do a $ prod sh prod, do you get an error too? >>>  >>> D. >> >> >>K >> I can do PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT, PRODUCT SHOW OBJECT and PRODUCT SHOW HIST  >> commands with no problems.  >> >  > Could you do an $ ana/rms on  K > SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.][SYSEXE]DEC-AXPVMS-VMS-V0703-2.PCSI$DATABASE;1  >  > pls. >  > D.   That uncovered no errors.    Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 05:42:25 -0800( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)= Subject: Business jumps out of MS pot and into linux fire ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0403290542.43ca9456@posting.google.com>   4 this is really hilarious ... he gets shut down for a4 week by a MS patch, then he says he's going to linux2 cause everyone else is, thinking he is going to be2 in 24x7 mode and all his downtime problems will be solved ... sad isn't it?  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=15001    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:51:57 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> A Subject: Re: Business jumps out of MS pot and into linux fire ... ' Message-ID: <4068380D.5080106@MMaz.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:   5 >this is really hilarious ... he gets shut down for a 5 >week by a MS patch, then he says he's going to linux 3 >cause everyone else is, thinking he is going to be 3 >in 24x7 mode and all his downtime problems will be  >solved ... sad isn't it?  >  >    > C  From reading the article, I gathered that the issue is the crappy  F support and patching policies of MS that pushed him over the edge...  I When looking for alternative OS's, Linux is visible, so it is a solution  D he is aware of, unlike the stealth VMS market, or wait, VMS isn't a H trademark anymore, StealthVMS?  As I posted last week, however, even if < he had heard of VMS, do his necessary server apps run there?     Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 05:59:36 -08002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)) Subject: Re: Compaq Tape Drive 242853-B21 = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0403290559.74328947@posting.google.com>   h "Alan Boyles" <alan.boyles@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<1069qh9n2ld679b@corp.supernews.com>...J > What kind of SCSI Adapter/controller do you have in the PWS?  I have hadG > similar problems with disk drives because Alpha did not like the SCSI E > controller and the onboard controller did not support such a drive.  >  > Alan5 > "G Henry" <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote in message 4 > news:t0n9605lg48ucntqkkoud91t0cogl2mfho@4ax.com... > > All: > > ' > > I have a Compaq DLT7000 tape drive.  > > G > > When I boot my PWS600a and I do a SHO DEVICE in SRM, I see the Tape  > > drive MKA600.  > > 4 > > WHen I boot VMS the Tape drive does not show up. > > # > > Any one have any suggestions???  > >  > > Thanks in advance  > >  > > Gary > >     You said it's an -a, not an -au.  ! From that statement I infer that     1) native onboard is IDE;  2) you've added a PCI SCSI HBA; & 3) you're using internal SCSI disk(s);D 4) you're connecting the tape drive to the external connector on the	 SCSI HBA.   F That being said and assumed, an interesting quirk of some of the olderD Qlogic-based SCSI cards is the fact that, although they have both anB internal and an external connector, they will work with one or the other, but not both.  3 This is the case despite what one may see from SRM.    WWWebb  C Feel free to correct any of the above if I'm making inferences that  aren't correct.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 07:11:19 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: RE: CVS on VMS 3 Message-ID: <USE4QmfmlIAV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   T In article <01316031.C22236@yahoo.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com> writes: > Keith A. Lewis wrote: N > And how does one do that on a VAX?  Even users of VAXes have need to control > source code changes.--    B    IMHO CMS is still a better tool.  That's what I use on VAX, andC    Alpha.  I do use the CVS client to access files on a Sun server, D    but I think the old releases of the CVS client will work on ODS-2#    with some sort of name mangling.   E    Can anyone tell me the CVS command to fetch as a plain text file,  4    an old revision of something in a CVS repository?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:33:03 -0500  From: norm.raphael@metso.com1 Subject: Re: DCL minute of the Day: Disks catalog Q Message-ID: <OF55533070.FEDA0FEF-ON85256E66.004FA521-85256E66.004FFE6B@metso.com>    Didier,   $ DCL_CHECK found three actual errors.   -Norm    $ @dcl_check catalog.com  2 >    96  WCT-E  wrong constant type for comparison   s/b .eq.  2 >    99  WCT-E  wrong constant type for comparison   s/b .eq.  ( >   131  NED-S  no $EOD for $DECK at 124  $ s/b $EOD without the trailing colon.  @ -*- Charlie Hammond's unsupported DCL checker (Version H3.0) -*-/ Checking file SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR]CATALOG.COM;1   # Checking for DCL_CHECK$ logicals... "   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_BL" = "TRUE"#   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_CCN" = "TRUE" #   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_CLD" = "TRUE" #   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_LFF" = "TRUE" #   "DCL_CHECK$SUPPRESS_LOD" = "TRUE"   . Starting Pass 1 -- 29-MAR-2004 09:28:59.09 .... Starting Pass 2 -- 29-MAR-2004 09:29:18.78 .... Starting Pass 3 -- 29-MAR-2004 09:29:21.50 ...  & Procedure contains:    131 total linesE                         88 code lines (including 3 lines w/ comments) 8                          2 additional continuation lines5                          7 lines w/i $DECK/$EOD pairs -                         24 comment only lines &                         10 blank lines&                          5 diagnositcs  #  LINE  CODE  --DIAGNOSTIC MESSAGE-- K    41  TLS-I  target label "'P1'" provided by symbol substitution (warning) 0    96  WCT-E  wrong constant type for comparison0    99  WCT-E  wrong constant type for comparison6   106  LNR-I  label "REBUILD" not referenced (warning)&   131  NED-S  no $EOD for $DECK at 1240 -*- END OF LISTING -*-   29-MAR-2004 09:29:24.39  = Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote on 03/27/2004 01:36:04 PM:   E > I had to look today for a given file on all my disks, and used with  > pleasure theD > CATALOG procedure I wrote a few years ago. As it may be helpful to	 others, I  > post it in here. >  > Type @catalog ? for help.  > Enjoy. >  > D. >  > $!+  > $! CATALOG.COMJ > $! This procedure does a directory of some or all disks of a VMS system,G > $! then stores it (one line per file with full path specification) in  textE > $! files. A SEARCH into these files will at once tell the user if a 
 > file exist, B > $! where it is, if there are multiple copies and where they are. > $!A > $! P1 : file name to search or keyword "REBUILD" to rebuild the 
 "database"D > $! P2 : disk to scan (default=DKA0), keyword "ALL" scans all disksH > $! P3 : keywork "FULL" will provide a $ DIRE_/SIZE=ALL/DATE/SEC of the fileF > $! P4 : keyword "EXACT" will search only files having the exact name
 > given in P1  > $!B > $! By default, all file names containing the string passed in P1
 aredisplayed. D > $! The procedure needs the BYPASS privilege to build the database.? > $! You should edit the file to change the disks names to your  configuration. > $!
 > $! <output>  > $! file specification  > $! > $! <side effects> 3 > $! creates files CATALOG_'disk'.DAT in SYS$LOGIN.  > $!G > $! This procedure is a NothingWare product from www.didiermorandi.fr. G > $! Feedback and suggestions *warmly* welcomed @ vms@didiermorandi.fr.  > $! > $! Revision history  > $!* > $! Version Date        Author     action# > $! ------- ----------- ---------- / > --------------------------------------------- , > $! V1.0-0  11-dec-2001 D. Morandi creation > $!-  > $ set noon > $ say = "write sys$output"E > $ if p1 .eqs. "" then inq p1 "Enter file name to search (RET=exit)"  > $ if p1 .eqs. "" then exit! > $ p1 = f$edit(p1,"trim,upcase") ! > $ p2 = f$edit(p2,"trim,upcase") ! > $ p3 = f$edit(p3,"trim,upcase") ! > $ p4 = f$edit(p4,"trim,upcase") " > $ if p1 .eqs. "?" then goto HELP( > $ if p1 .eqs. "REBUILD" then goto 'p1' > $ if p2 .eqs. "ALL"  > $ then > $    location = "all disks" K > $    sear_/nohigh/out=sys$login:catalog.temp sys$login:catalog_*.dat 'p1'  > $ else? > $    if p2 .eqs. "" then p2 = "DKA0"            !default disk  > $    location = p2D > $    if f$search("sys$login:catalog_''p2'.dat") .eqs. "" then goto NO_SUCH I > $    sear_/nohigh/out=sys$login:catalog.temp sys$login:catalog_'p2'.dat  'p1'	 > $ endif % > $ exact_name = f$parse(p1,,,"name") % > $ exact_type = f$parse(p1,,,"type")  > $ i=0 - > $ t=0                        !deleted files  > $ close/nolog ch' > $ open/read ch sys$login:catalog.temp 
 > $ say "" > $LOOP: > $ read/end=EOF ch fileI > $ if f$extract(0,2,file) .nes. "DK" then goto LOOP      !filenames only  > $ if p4 .eqs. "EXACT"  > $ then@ > $    if f$parse(file,,,"name") .nes. exact_name then goto LOOP% > $    if exact_type .nes. "." then - D >          if f$parse(file,,,"type") .nes. exact_type then goto LOOP	 > $ endif  > $ if p3 .eqs. "" > $ then > $    say file ! > $    if f$search(file) .eqs. ""  > $    then D > $       say "^-- File has been deleted since last rebuild of disks	 catalog."  > $       t=t+1  > $    endif	 > $ endif  > $ if p3 .eqs. "FULL" > $ then! > $    if f$search(file) .eqs. ""  > $    then  > $       say fileD > $       say "^-- File has been deleted since last rebuild of disks	 catalog."  > $       t=t+1  > $    else 1 > $       dire_/siz=all/dat/nohead/notrail 'file'  > $    endif	 > $ endif 	 > $ i=i+1 
 > $ goto LOOP  > $! > $EOF:  > $ close ch" > $ dele_ sys$login:catalog.temp;*
 > $ say "" > $ S = "s"  > $ if i .eqs. 1 then S = ""< > $ say i," occurrence''S' of ",p1," found in ",location,"." > $ S = "s"  > $ if t .eqs. 1 then S = ""B > $ say t," file''S' deleted since last rebuild of disks catalog.") > $ if (t .eq. i) .and. (t .ne. 0) then - ; >       say "(may I suggest to rebuild the disks catalog?)" 
 > $ say "" > $ exit > $! > $REBUILD:  > $ set noon > $ set proc/priv=byp / > $ say "rebuilding files catalog for DKA0:..." J > $ dire_/col=1/width=file=79/notra/nohea/out=catalog_DKA0.dat DKA0:[*...] *.*;  > $ if p2 .eqs. "DKA0" then exit1 > $ say "rebuilding files catalog for DKA100:..." @ > $ dire_/col=1/width=file=79/notra/nohea/out=catalog_DKA100.dat > DKA100:[*...]*.*; 1 > $ say "rebuilding files catalog for DKA200:..." @ > $ dire_/col=1/width=file=79/notra/nohea/out=catalog_DKA200.dat > DKA200:[*...]*.*;  > $ purg_ catalog_dka*.dat > $ set proc/priv=nobyp  > $ exit > $! > $NO_SUCH: 9 > $ say "No database found for disk ",p2," in SYS$LOGIN."  > $HELP: > $ type sys$input > $DECK  > < > Syntax is:   $ @catalog <file> [<disk>|ALL] [FULL] [EXACT] >  > or      $ cat REBUILD  >  > $EOD:  > $ exit >  > --4 > VAXUS - Your new helpful friend in the DEC Family!4 > EHQ: 19 chemin de la Butte, 31400 Toulouse, France1 >       Phone: +336 7983 6418 Fax: +335 6154 1928 & >                 http://www.vaxus.org >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:34:30 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>$ Subject: RE: Device names in OVMS ??' Message-ID: <0131F966.C22236@yahoo.com>    Ro=DFert G. Schaffrath wrote:   E > Just curious but what is bus type "I"?  In the SIMH simulator, if I ; > leave the MSCP TQ controller set to "TK50", I get devices  > MUA0: through F > MUA3: with a device type "TK50".  However, if I set the TQ device toH > "TK70", I get devices MIA0: through MIA3: and a device type of "TF70".  E Those are DSSI-based devices, for example an RF74  They contain smart H controllers that are DSSI nodes.  The RF74s I have in one VAX show up as$ DIAx, even though they use DUDRIVER. --=20 
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2004 16:36:51 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Multia (yet again) : Message-ID: <c49jb2$2gj1c2$1@ID-135708.news.uni-berlin.de>  D I am still trying to bring up a multia (don't know what for yet, but@ it does look like an interesting box.)  I have collected all theC little bits and pieces like a laptop hard disk and a laptop floppy. @ But, I still lack one major component that I have been unable to@ acquire so I turn here one more time.  Does anyone have a coupleA of SIMMS that will work in a Multia that they are willing to part D with (cheap?).  And please don't suggest Ebay as I tried that route.A I got PC SIMMS (without parity) and never got my money back after  returning them.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:50:50 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  Subject: Re: Multia (yet again) B Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20040329095007.0204eeb8@raptor.psccos.com>  G Go to www.memory4less.com and buy full-parity FPM 60ns SIMM's.  They're A pretty cheap, I use them in a couple systems, and they work fine.   - At 09:36 AM 3/29/2004, Bill Gunshannon wrote: E >I am still trying to bring up a multia (don't know what for yet, but A >it does look like an interesting box.)  I have collected all the D >little bits and pieces like a laptop hard disk and a laptop floppy.A >But, I still lack one major component that I have been unable to A >acquire so I turn here one more time.  Does anyone have a couple B >of SIMMS that will work in a Multia that they are willing to partE >with (cheap?).  And please don't suggest Ebay as I tried that route. B >I got PC SIMMS (without parity) and never got my money back after >returning them.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:57:12 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> P Subject: Re: OpenVMS virus proof while other disks get zapped by latest viruses!0 Message-ID: <c496f8$ma0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Brian Tillman wrote: > JF Mezei wrote:  >  > ? >>Palm is to PDAs what SUN is to servers. It rode the .com boom  >>and everybody ; >>got one because it was so trendy. But now, they aren't so  >>healthy because > >>people don't buy anymore either because they doN't need one, >>or they already  >>have one.  >  > J > The iPAQ has become the most popular PDA, and people are buying a lot of$ > them.  But, thanks for playing.--  > Brian Tillman  >   / Sadly your claim is not supported by the facts.   A According to IDC palmONE was the PDA market leader with 3,950,125 A units and a 38.1% market share in 2003 vs HP with 2,280,152 units  and 22% market share.   > With PDA's running PalmOS accounting for over 60% of the total0 market the rest being WinCE/PocketPC and others.   And thank you for playing.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:30:25 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> , Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more0 Message-ID: <c498dh$msu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:X > In article <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: > J >>Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including desktops toM >>ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise customers for R >>lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the consumer market. >> >  > G >    Will they ship OpenOfiice on them?  Or are they doing something to ( >    avoid depending on Sun's good will? > , What like develop their own Office product ?   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:46:24 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> , Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more0 Message-ID: <c499bg$naq$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote: > 6 >> In article <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>, JF Mezei & >> <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >>   >>L >>> Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including desktops toB >>> ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise  >>> customers for D >>> lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the  >>> consumer market. >>>  >>>    >> >>G >>   Will they ship OpenOfiice on them?  Or are they doing something to ( >>   avoid depending on Sun's good will? >>   >>J > We're actually experimenting with OpenOffice at this time and there are D > only two major 'gotchas' we've noticed coming out of the gate; 1) K > document passwords do not work, if a password exists, you can't open the  E > document, 2) The Access compatibility doesn't exist.  As for Word,  L > Excel, PP, it does a remarkable job of one-for-one substitution however... >   2 I have never had an issue with document passwords.  > When you save your file you will see a check box in the bottom> right corner of the file dialog window, ticking it will enable; passwords for that file and an additional dialog box should 9 appear asking for your password and a confirmation of the 	 password.   @ When you open the file you should then be asked for the password before the file can be read.  C You cannot save the file as a MS format document and have passwords 
 for the file.   B I am running StarOffice 7 Product Update 2 which may be more up to3 date than the release of OpenOffice you were using.   4 For Access you could substitute MySQL, according to 2 http://dba.openoffice.org/ it is a supported DBMS.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    >  > Barry  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:53:00 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> , Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more' Message-ID: <4068384C.3090001@MMaz.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Bob Koehler wrote: > 6 >> In article <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>, JF Mezei & >> <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >>A >>> Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including   >>> desktops to B >>> ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise  >>> customers for D >>> lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the  >>> consumer market. >>>  >> >>H >>    Will they ship OpenOfiice on them?  Or are they doing something to) >>    avoid depending on Sun's good will?  >>. > What like develop their own Office product ?  A I believe you are confused, StarOffice is Sun, OpenOffice is GPL.    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:55:14 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> , Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more' Message-ID: <406838D2.8090300@MMaz.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: >  >> Bob Koehler wrote:  >>7 >>> In article <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>, JF Mezei  ' >>> <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:  >>> B >>>> Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including  >>>> desktops toC >>>> ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise   >>>> customers forE >>>> lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the   >>>> consumer market.  >>>>     >>> H >>>   Will they ship OpenOfiice on them?  Or are they doing something to) >>>   avoid depending on Sun's good will?  >>>    >>G >> We're actually experimenting with OpenOffice at this time and there  I >> are only two major 'gotchas' we've noticed coming out of the gate; 1)  H >> document passwords do not work, if a password exists, you can't open D >> the document, 2) The Access compatibility doesn't exist.  As for I >> Word, Excel, PP, it does a remarkable job of one-for-one substitution  
 >> however...  >>4 > I have never had an issue with document passwords. > @ > When you save your file you will see a check box in the bottom@ > right corner of the file dialog window, ticking it will enable= > passwords for that file and an additional dialog box should ; > appear asking for your password and a confirmation of the  > password.  > B > When you open the file you should then be asked for the password > before the file can be read. > E > You cannot save the file as a MS format document and have passwords  > for the file.   ? And you can't OPEN a MS Format document that has been password  9 protected, that was the point I was attempting to make...    > D > I am running StarOffice 7 Product Update 2 which may be more up to5 > date than the release of OpenOffice you were using.  > 6 > For Access you could substitute MySQL, according to 4 > http://dba.openoffice.org/ it is a supported DBMS.  A This isn't a 'Compatible' solution but a folk-lift replacement...e   Regards,   Barryr   -- o  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        {   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:33:50 +0100nO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>i, Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more0 Message-ID: <c49j5e$qgj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >> Bob Koehler wrote:( >>7 >>> In article <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>, JF Mezei h' >>> <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:s >>> B >>>> Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including  >>>> desktops toC >>>> ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise   >>>> customers forE >>>> lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the   >>>> consumer market.T >>>> >>>e >>>uI >>>    Will they ship OpenOfiice on them?  Or are they doing something to * >>>    avoid depending on Sun's good will? >>>w/ >> What like develop their own Office product ?v >  > C > I believe you are confused, StarOffice is Sun, OpenOffice is GPL.  >   > No its you who is confused, StarOffice is OpenOffice plus some; commercial additions. If you look on the openoffice.org webd< site you will discover that a very very high % of the owners; of indevidual project streams have @sun.com email addressesr; mainly because Sun does most of the openoffice development.-   Regards- Andrew Harrison-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:45:59 +0100yO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>l, Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more0 Message-ID: <c49js8$qsc$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:* > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: >  >> Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:e >> >>> Bob Koehler wrote: >>> 8 >>>> In article <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>, JF Mezei ( >>>> <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >>>>C >>>>> Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including   >>>>> desktops tohD >>>>> ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise  >>>>> customers forMF >>>>> lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the  >>>>> consumer market. >>>>>    >>>> >>>>I >>>>   Will they ship OpenOfiice on them?  Or are they doing something to/* >>>>   avoid depending on Sun's good will? >>>>   >>>e >>>;H >>> We're actually experimenting with OpenOffice at this time and there J >>> are only two major 'gotchas' we've noticed coming out of the gate; 1) I >>> document passwords do not work, if a password exists, you can't open iE >>> the document, 2) The Access compatibility doesn't exist.  As for  J >>> Word, Excel, PP, it does a remarkable job of one-for-one substitution  >>> however... >>> 5 >> I have never had an issue with document passwords.i >>A >> When you save your file you will see a check box in the bottom-A >> right corner of the file dialog window, ticking it will enable > >> passwords for that file and an additional dialog box should< >> appear asking for your password and a confirmation of the >> password. >>C >> When you open the file you should then be asked for the password  >> before the file can be read.t >>F >> You cannot save the file as a MS format document and have passwords >> for the file. >  > A > And you can't OPEN a MS Format document that has been password 6; > protected, that was the point I was attempting to make...h >   : Ahh, that is correct, you should have said you were tryingA to open MS format documents. However there are products availabled that will unlock these files.g  8 Here is a StarOffice/OpenOffice FAQ which explains this.  I http://opensource.coretechnique.com/modules/xoopsfaq/index.php?cat_id=4 .>     >>E >> I am running StarOffice 7 Product Update 2 which may be more up to>6 >> date than the release of OpenOffice you were using. >>7 >> For Access you could substitute MySQL, according to >5 >> http://dba.openoffice.org/ it is a supported DBMS.e >  > C > This isn't a 'Compatible' solution but a folk-lift replacement...o > 
 > Regards, >   = Quite and since we are refering to Access thats a good thing.B   Regardse Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:23:01 -0800f# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s, Subject: RE: OT: HP embraces Linux even more9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEEBDAAA.tom@kednos.com>i     -----Original Message-----)   From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancyi0   [mailto:Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com]&   Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:34 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn.   Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more         Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:,   > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   >    >> Bob Koehler wrote:e   >>9   >>> In article <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>, JF Mezei  )   >>> <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes:d   >>>sD   >>>> Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including    >>>> desktops toE   >>>> ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise f   >>>> customers forG   >>>> lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the s   >>>> consumer market.e   >>>>   >>>e   >>>mK   >>>    Will they ship OpenOfiice on them?  Or are they doing something toP,   >>>    avoid depending on Sun's good will?   >>>w1   >> What like develop their own Office product ?    >    > E   > I believe you are confused, StarOffice is Sun, OpenOffice is GPL.t   >    @   No its you who is confused, StarOffice is OpenOffice plus some=   commercial additions. If you look on the openoffice.org webo>   site you will discover that a very very high % of the owners=   of indevidual project streams have @sun.com email addressess=   mainly because Sun does most of the openoffice development.e  " What are the commercial additions?A Is there a compatibility matrix with, say, Office 2000 available?        	   Regards0   Andrew HarrisonH      ---U(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 11:35:59 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r, Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more3 Message-ID: <3DEGnl5mJWV2@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  U In article <4068384C.3090001@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: C > I believe you are confused, StarOffice is Sun, OpenOffice is GPL.t  >    OpenOffice and StarOffice had the same base.  Users tell me8    OpenOffice has far exceeded StarOffice in capability.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 11:34:46 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)>, Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more3 Message-ID: <hkvY5rndhWTp@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <c498dh$msu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  . > What like develop their own Office product ?      Like they'd be the first?  C    OBTW, did Sun ever get the OpenOffice/Linux systems on WalMart's     shelves?t   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2004 11:41:40 GMT- From: Maxx Pollare <spamnet-mar@dragonfur.ca>e% Subject: Re: Post contains nasty worml; Message-ID: <Xns94BB2FEEF681CInsomniac@news.individual.net>i  4 The voice of "Cliff" drifted in on the cyber-winds,   from the sea of virtual chaos...   > You all know that, right?u    	 [Ranting]. Yes, we know...r  D And if the cleanfeed filter & binary strippers on both my primary & E secondary news servers I use didn't already catch it, then the cross rE post to "journalism" or "politics" from a "fan" group would have...  eH Not to mention my specific vspam filter for all "Britney" & "Christina" / posts in a non-adult entertainment" newsgroups.o  E Now, if it wasn't some else replying to you I would have never seen, iC nor cared about *yet another* bad move to *yet another* well known f viral spamage...  ; Well let's just say I'm not a happy, and leave it at that. t [/end of rant] n   --  6 Maxwell C.G. Pollare, a "small god" in his own mind...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:59:55 +0100uO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> M Subject: Re: Professional Agitator - Harrison, Andrew. Confimed on sun.com!!! 0 Message-ID: <c496kb$maf$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote: s > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c3fl1u$4sv$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...6 >  >>David Svensson wrote:g >> >>^ >>>JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message news:<404CD136.84C8780A@istop.com>... >>>A >>>r >>>>David Svensson wrote:- >>>> >>>>= >>>>>to react to it like you do. Those who still use VMS need>F >>>>>encouragement, not a bully person setting them straight. I cannotB >>>>>understand how you can take posts from Bob Ceculski seriosly. >>>>P >>>>Hey, don't blast Bob.  While his posts are overly enthousiastic, he seems to- >>>>be defending VMS, not HP's bad decisions.I >>>r >>>lG >>>I don't mind Bob, it is OK with me, and it is also funny that Andrew E >>>feels that he needs to answer :), but I don't find the discussionsa >>>that follow so interesting. >> >>1 >>So you are happy about the image Bob portrays ?h >># >>Is he the classic OpenVMS admin ?r >>. >>Lets hope not but some of his postings would- >>make horribly usefull collateral for anyoneo/ >>trying intent on showing that OpenVMS is just 1 >>a marginal OS for people with very very strangep >>ideas. >>/ >>I like Bob as well, his posts are normally sog3 >>full of BS that correcting them is a pleasure and,4 >>one that doesn't require me to break into a sweat. >>	 >>Regardso >>Andrew Harrisonn >  > 4 > calling vms a marginal os is total bs ... which is% > all you spout off on this board ...a    1 Bob try re reading my posting, you will find thatd( I didn't post what you thought I posted.  1 Lets not add an inability to parse sentences to aD! rather long list of other faults.      regardsi Andrew Harrisoni   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 09:17:29 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>K Subject: RE: setting up a DECserver 200 or 250 for LAT service to terminals ' Message-ID: <0131F7C8.C22236@yahoo.com>n  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:n  F > I have some old terminal servers DECserver 200 and or 250 and/or the? > "MC" variant.  I have a cluster of ALPHA and VAX machines andaG > routinely use LAT in SET HOST/LAT.  I want to connect VT320 terminalsb@ > to the terminal server such that when I hit RETURN a couple of > times, I get a> > login prompt for one of the machines in the cluster OR I get > a terminal< > server prompt where I can explicitly connect to one of the > nodes in the
 > cluster.  K You'll need to have MOM$LOAD defined, with SERVICE ENABLED (NCP command) onnI at least one Ethernet line on a VMS machine or have an InfoServer so thatoH the DECserver can obtain its operating system from somewhere.  DECserverH 200s load PR0801ENG.SYS and DECserver 250s load DP0601ENG.SYS  TypicallyJ these files are in SYS$COMMON:[DECSERVER] with MOM$LOAD defined to include that directory.e  C > I don't think it's relevant, but at the moment there is no DECnetn > running in the cluster.   H You need MOP services loaded at least, but these can be supplied without full-fledged DECnet.   F > As far as the hardware goes, presumably I just connect the terminals= > to the terminal server with serial cables, and the terminal. > server to the 2 > LAN.  What do I need to do in terms of software: > installation, settingo6 > parameters, defining/executing stuff during startup.  L For the terminals, you can have automatic connection to a VMS machine if you= define your cluster alias as the dedicated service of a port.   = > If it's not too much trouble, I might want to connect up ani > LN03 as well& > and be able to print from all nodes.  L Our DECserver 250 isn't running any more (we used it to feed an LXY-22), butJ I have the manual.  You'll need to define a print service on the DECserverI 250 that the LAT print symbiont can feed via a LAT device.  Port 1 can be,J used for terminals or serial printers at speeds up to 19,200 bps.  It willL also handle modems.  Ports 2 through 4 will handle serial printers.  Ports 5I and 6 are Dataproducts parallel ports.  The manual includes the following0F commands in its "LN03" example (Performed on port 1, since only port 1 supports access to Local mode):-  7 Local> DEFINE PORT 4 ACCESS REMOTE ALTERNATE SPEED NONEm3 Local> DEFINE PORT 4 AUTOBAUD DISABLE BREAK DISABLEc4 Local> DEFINE PORT 4 DEDICATED NONE DSRLOGOUT ENABLE2 Local> DEFINE PORT 4 INACTIVITY ENABLE NAME LN03_A Local> LOGOUT PORT 4 -- n
 Brian Tillmano   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:44:35 +0100SO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>t Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?0 Message-ID: <c495nk$m2q$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:rs > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c3fgrl$3dm$4@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...0 >  >>David Svensson wrote:: >> >> >>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c2i1p2$pob$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>>  >>>  >>>>Rob Young wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>In article <c2hpjr$mtb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:t >>>>>. >>>>>m >>>>>t >>>>>>Daryl Jones wrote: >>>>>v >>>>>r >>>>>>>Second: >>>>>>>eK >>>>>>>What is being done to SUN by LINUX it is the same thing SUN has beeniL >>>>>>>doing to HP, IBM, Compaq, and others and vise versa. Take over a DataK >>>>>>>Center by initially cutting its prices and then later boosting them. ) >>>>>>>Business as usual in the IT world.b >>>>>>>n >>>>>>" >>>>>>Provide examples if you can. >>>>>> >>>>>r >>>>>t@ >>>>>	Really.  That claim is misleading.  I personally don't see= >>>>>	Linux getting a whole lot more expensive and Intel kit IC >>>>>	has been stable or declining for years in price.  I seriously-F >>>>>	doubt HP boosts their Intel kit prices - Dell is always lurking! >>>>>p >>>> >>>>E >>>>>http://www.forbes.com/technology/2004/03/03/cz_dl_0303linux.htmln >>>>>mS >>>>>Same goes for Jorge Borbolla, chief information officer at AutoTradeCenter, anaR >>>>>online auto wholesaler in Menlo Park, Calif.--Sun let him go without a fight.P >>>>>Borbolla just replaced all of his Sun computers with HP Intel-based serversR >>>>>running Linux. "It was the money," Borbolla says. "The Linux systems were 40%$ >>>>>the cost of the Sun machines."  >>>>>b >>>>B >>>>SPARC boxes all include Solaris right to use licenses with the >>>>systems. >>>>I >>>>HP x86 boxes don't include a commecrial Linux license and if you wantfI >>>>to run almost any kind of commercial app you have to buy a commercial-4 >>>>Linux release which ends up being mainly Redhat. >>>>D >>>>RedHat AS which is what most customers end up with costs between= >>>>$1499 and $2499 per year so on a cheap HP you add another5 >>>>$4.5-$7.5K.E >>>>A >>>>This means that low end x86 boxes actually end up costing ~2xr >>>>the cost of a low end Sun. >>>>> >>>>Of course if you only consider the hardware costs then the: >>>>Sun's may be more expensive but then you have to run a< >>>>community version of Linux and you cannot do that if you# >>>>want supported commercial apps.  >>>>B >>>>Of course if you are smart you add up the cost of the hardware! >>>>................. and the OS.c >>>> >>>>regards  >>>>Andrew HarrisonC >>>S >>>SE >>>Are you saying that the world is screwed and don't understand it'sRG >>>best? I am seeing lots of sites that have been and are replacing SunPB >>>Sparc servers with x86 Linux servers. Most of this replacing is >>>because of costs. >> >>) >>Absolutely correct do you want a prize.- >  >  > Yes. >  > 1 >>Replacing old Sun's with new PC's running Linux 3 >>may well save money, but then replacing old Sun'so' >>with new Sun's would also save money.t >  >  > That is true.  >  > 0 >>Chosing new Server running Linux as opposed to5 >>new Sun's running Solaris is unlikely to save money 5 >>unless you use free Linux and you can't if you want5# >>supported apps or a supported OS.S >  > ? > RedHat and Suse have pretty good enterprise support nowadays.t) > Oracle/DB2 support Linux installations.s! > Those two are cheaper on Linux.T >   < But only if you buy RedHat AS, the free to download versions= of SuSe and Fedora do not have enterprise support and this is1@ also one of the reasons why they also don't have much in the way" of commercial SW support for them.  @ Also Oracle and DB2 are not cheaper on Linux they are cheaper on> any workgroup class server In Oracles the cheapest 10G license? per CPU is Oracle Standard Edtion One this is available for anyi, 2 way system running Linux, Windows or UNIX.  H http://oraclestore.oracle.com/OA_HTML/ibeCCtpSctDspRte.jsp?section=15105  D The next cheapest option is Standard Edition, this is also supported* on any 4 way system, UNIX, Windows, Linux.    D > And as you say free Linux, there are many installations today thatA > used to be under support contracts that today run Linux without E > support contracts. That is a reality that hurts the commercial UNIXoG > systems (though it may be scary). I recently saw a hospital replacing=H > fully supported Digital UNIX installations with "do it yourself" Linux > installations. >   G If that is that case then these people are in breach of their contract.n  F If you run RedHat AS etc then you have to pay the subscription service7 regardless of whether you actually want RedHat support.e   Regardsn Andrew Harrisonr > 	 >>Regardsd >>Andrew Harrison!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:01:39 +0200." From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>) Subject: Re: This is a Last Mohican fight . Message-ID: <c49doi$1je1$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Alex Daniels wrote:c  H > Quite how you can post this rubbish and yet promote VAXUS I dont know, > make your mind up.  * Yep. You're right. I shudda remove my sig.   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 04:16:01 -0800. From: alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels)Y Subject: Re: This is a Last Mohican fight (was: [On-Topic]Inquirer: How the IT media mani = Message-ID: <9f7f13a8.0403290416.2463dae5@posting.google.com>   W Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:<c48cme$uip$1@biggoron.nerim.net>...i > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > D > > and what is HP doing to reinforce this brilliant analysis?  TheyA > > continue to do exactly what the analysts do, and that is keep E > > quiet about the best os out there ... don't blame the journalistsh= > > for the lack of VMS knowledge out there, blame the owner!$ > S > The truth is that we are all idealists in here. Why should we fight for truth if  Q > the "owner" does not want to? What whould this fight bring to us? Glory? Money oO > in consulting business, programming or system management? We are all over 50 $L > (well, more or less). Depending on the countries were we live, we'll stop   > working in 5 to 10 years time. > % > This fight is a Last Mohican fight.  > N > I strongly consider giving up with VMS services and purchase a shop where I 2 > would sell what Customers need to buy every day. >  > D. > O > (PS: The PS (Socialist Parti) won 20 against 22 regions in France yesterday.  ! > Maybe I should emigrate too...)n  F Quite how you can post this rubbish and yet promote VAXUS I dont know, make your mind up.  F The site where I am at today has six system managers, none of them are- over 50, one is over 40 and two are under 30.h   Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 05:05:08 -0800. From: alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels)% Subject: VEST problem - RDBSHR wanted== Message-ID: <9f7f13a8.0403290505.23beb286@posting.google.com>n  > At a customer site trying to migrate off their last VAX (sorry Didier).  A There is no Alpha version of the App and no source available. TheaC application can work off RMS or RDB files, although the customer iso
 using RMS.  & My VEST'd images however are saying...  1 %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image RDBSHR_TV % -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not founda* DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]RDBSHR_TV.EX E;  C Guess its because the image wasn't present when I VEST'ed, which it F wouldn't be as they are using RMS here, but the code supports both RMSD and RDB for sites that want to use RDB and I guess was linked by theA people who made it originally and they had RDB installed as well.   E Has anyone got a copy of SYS$LIBRARY:RDBSHR.EXE or RDBSHR_TV.EXE they= could give me ??  D Or does anyone know the last VAX or Alpha SPL I could expect to find it on?C (They dont seem to have a documented back catalog of SPL's here, sox4 would be a mission for me to try and look through!).   Thanks   Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:45:03 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>) Subject: Re: VEST problem - RDBSHR wantedo. Message-ID: <c49nav$1q5m$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Alex Daniels wrote:o@ > At a customer site trying to migrate off their last VAX (sorry
 > Didier).  
 No harm done.f  C > There is no Alpha version of the App and no source available. The E > application can work off RMS or RDB files, although the customer is  > using RMS. > ( > My VEST'd images however are saying... > 3 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image RDBSHR_TV:' > -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not foundr, > DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]RDBSHR_TV.EX > E; > E > Guess its because the image wasn't present when I VEST'ed, which it-H > wouldn't be as they are using RMS here, but the code supports both RMSF > and RDB for sites that want to use RDB and I guess was linked by theC > people who made it originally and they had RDB installed as well.t > G > Has anyone got a copy of SYS$LIBRARY:RDBSHR.EXE or RDBSHR_TV.EXE they  > could give me ?? > F > Or does anyone know the last VAX or Alpha SPL I could expect to find > it on?E > (They dont seem to have a documented back catalog of SPL's here, so 6 > would be a mission for me to try and look through!).  P Files with the _TV suffix are vested images. This message means that you do not Q have the vested version of the RDBSHR.EXE shareable image. So, yes, the solution -P for you is either to get a VESTed copy of the file, or the original and VEST it.  K Which version of Rdb was used? (I may have a copy somewhere on my Cluster).n   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:15:14 -0500n' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>o) Subject: RE: VEST problem - RDBSHR wantedgR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB2C6B17@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Alex Daniels [mailto:alexdaniels@themail.co.uk]=20 > Sent: March 29, 2004 8:05 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comf' > Subject: VEST problem - RDBSHR wantede >=20@ > At a customer site trying to migrate off their last VAX (sorry
 > Didier). >=20C > There is no Alpha version of the App and no source available. The E > application can work off RMS or RDB files, although the customer isr > using RMS. >=20( > My VEST'd images however are saying... >=203 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image RDBSHR_TVo' > -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not found|, > DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]RDBSHR_TV.EX > E; >=20E > Guess its because the image wasn't present when I VEST'ed, which it'H > wouldn't be as they are using RMS here, but the code supports both RMSF > and RDB for sites that want to use RDB and I guess was linked by theC > people who made it originally and they had RDB installed as well.e >=20G > Has anyone got a copy of SYS$LIBRARY:RDBSHR.EXE or RDBSHR_TV.EXE they0 > could give me ?? >=20F > Or does anyone know the last VAX or Alpha SPL I could expect to find > it on?E > (They dont seem to have a documented back catalog of SPL's here, sos6 > would be a mission for me to try and look through!). >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Alex >=20   Alex,   * What version of DECmigrate were you using?   Here is latest pointer:n; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/omsva/omsva.htmlh   Regardsi  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantp HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660r Fax: 613-591-4477I Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomg. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 06:32:26 -0800* From: denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich)1 Subject: Re: Whats Wrong with this Backup Commanda< Message-ID: <d28306e.0403290632.565660e6@posting.google.com>  f G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> wrote in message news:<blme605gpridaglke24rko6se5rbcnu014@4ax.com>... > All: > 6 > Can someone tell me what is wrong with this command. > C > WHen it runs, it restores all files into the  dka200:[000000.dss]-F > directory.  It creates the subdirs but does not put anything in into > them > E > $Backup mka600:data2.bck/rewind/select=[dss...] dka200:[000000.dss]O > 	 > Thanks o >  > Gary  : Others have pointed out the ".dss...]" syntax. I would addC /BY_OWNER=ORIGINAL at the end of the command. If you are the system > manager, you may end up as the owner of these files unless youC explicitly state that the owner should be as it was recorded on the C tape. Be sure SYSPRV is turned on, or that you are the owner of thee4 output volume. I've been bitten by this a few times.   regards,   denny    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 10:01:07 -0500f* From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>1 Subject: RE: Whats Wrong with this Backup Commande' Message-ID: <0131FBEA.C22236@yahoo.com>O   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:t  * > You need to render the command this way: > H > $Backup mka600:data2.bck/rewind/select=[dss...] dka200:[000000.dss...]G >                                                                   ^^^C: > This will ensure that the subdirectories are created and > populated as you	 > intend.-  # Personally, I'd render it this way:2  @ $ backup mka600:data2.bck/rewind/select=[dss...] dka200:[dss...] -- e
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