1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 30 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 176       Contents:J Re: Algorithm requested to number pages to edit a leaflet from A5 documentP Re: Algorithm requested to number pages to edit a leaflet from A5 document documP Re: Algorithm requested to number pages to edit a leaflet from A5 document docum6 Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233}! Black helicopters over JF's house , Re: Broken PCSI$DATABASE file -- how to fix?" Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcop) Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?  Re: Multia (yet again)# Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more  Re: Quorum Disk Question Re: Quorum Disk Question Re: Quorum Disk Question' Re: Sending RFC based Mail with MC MIME < System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???@ Re: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???	 Thanks...  Re: The J F  M e z e i  F A Q   Re: VEST problem - RDBSHR wanted [ot?]Trademark Alpha Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 29 Mar 2004 20:27:10 GMT: From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@thierry@squeeeez.no-ip.com>S Subject: Re: Algorithm requested to number pages to edit a leaflet from A5 document / Message-ID: <slrnc6h1ku.qg.thierry@MARS.Family>    Hello!  2 On 2004-03-29, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote: >>  S >>>I'm looking for a DCL proc to compute the way to edit some pages of a text file  R >>>to then print it and fold it in A5 vertical format (half 21x29,7 cm landscape). >>  R >> I don't have anything for DCL but there is PSUTILS, which has a psbook program," >> which seems to do exactly this. >>  + >> The algorithm would be something around: 9 >> (taken from psbook.c for unix, didn't find it for VMS)  >>    @ (tried to put some pseudo code in it, sorry, no idea of FORTRAN)   >>    scanpages(); >>     >>    if (!signature)   3 If `signature' is not defined (this is a parameter)   3 >>       signature = maxpage = pages+(4-pages%4)%4;   3 maxpage := pages + (( 4 - pages modulo 4) modulo 4) O (Divide the pages by 4, take the rest, substract it from 4, divide this rest by 4 4 again and take this rest, and add it to the pages)   signature := maxpage  
 >>    else? >>       maxpage = pages+(signature-pages%signature)%signature;   ( else (`signature' was given by the user)7 	Do the same as above but with `signature' instead of 4    >>    /* rearrange pages */  >>    writeheader(maxpage);  >>    writeprolog(); >>    writesetup();    Do some PS stuff  = >>    for (currentpg = 0; currentpg < maxpage; currentpg++) {    currentpg := 0O Now do the following loop until currentpg < maxpage and increase currentpg each  time:   8 >>       int actualpg = currentpg - currentpg%signature;  2 actualpg := currentpg - currentpg modulo signature   >>       switch(currentpg%4) { >>       case 0: >>       case 3:    if currentpg modulo 4 is 0 or 3:  < >>          actualpg += signature-1-(currentpg%signature)/2;  F 	actualpg := actualpg + signature - 1 - (currentpg modulo signature)/2   >>          break; >>       case 1: >>       case 2:   if currentpg modulo 4 is 1 or 2   0 >>          actualpg += (currentpg%signature)/2; 	 6 	actualpg := actualpg + (currentpg modulo signature)/2   >>          break;
 >>       }   End of "switch"    >>       if (actualpg < pages)  >>          writepage(actualpg);
 >>       else  >>          writeemptypage();   I Write the page if it's still in the range, else write an empty page... :)    >>    }   
 End of "loop"    >>    writetrailer();    PS stuff   HTH,   Thierry    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:48:01 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>Y Subject: Re: Algorithm requested to number pages to edit a leaflet from A5 document docum . Message-ID: <c49r11$1s8t$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Thierry Dussuet wrote:   > Hello! > 4 > On 2004-03-28, Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> wrote: >  > R >>I'm looking for a DCL proc to compute the way to edit some pages of a text file Q >>to then print it and fold it in A5 vertical format (half 21x29,7 cm landscape).  >  > Q > I don't have anything for DCL but there is PSUTILS, which has a psbook program, ! > which seems to do exactly this.  > * > The algorithm would be something around:8 > (taken from psbook.c for unix, didn't find it for VMS) >  >    scanpages();  >  >    if (!signature)2 >       signature = maxpage = pages+(4-pages%4)%4;	 >    else > >       maxpage = pages+(signature-pages%signature)%signature; >  >    /* rearrange pages */ >    writeheader(maxpage); >    writeprolog();  >    writesetup();< >    for (currentpg = 0; currentpg < maxpage; currentpg++) {7 >       int actualpg = currentpg - currentpg%signature;  >       switch(currentpg%4) {  >       case 0:  >       case 3: ; >          actualpg += signature-1-(currentpg%signature)/2;  >          break;  >       case 1:  >       case 2: / >          actualpg += (currentpg%signature)/2;  >          break; 	 >       }  >       if (actualpg < pages)  >          writepage(actualpg);  >       else >          writeemptypage(); >    } >    writetrailer(); >     L Hey, that is it. But C is chinese to me. Maybe someone could translate that ; stuff to a normal programming language, such like Fortran ?    Merci Thierry.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:55:21 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>Y Subject: Re: Algorithm requested to number pages to edit a leaflet from A5 document docum ) Message-ID: <40687F1F.9CBDCDFB@istop.com>    Just a few notes.   I You need to add blank pages at the end to make the pages divisible by the D number of pages per sheet of paper. (rember the double sided issue).  K You then calculate the number of sheets you will require (based on how they  are to be folded etc).    N Then, you need to take 3 blank sheets of paper. Number each face of each sheetN (1a 1b, 2a 2b, 3a 3b, 4a 4b.). Then fold then in the specific way to need them5 folded. Now, once folded, number the "content" pages.   F Then, unfold the paper, and you'll have a much clearer idea of how the ordering works.   J Then, add a 4th sheet of paper.number it 4a 4b, then include it with the 3I other and fold them again, and this time, number the pages with different  colour pen.   L Now, you unfold it, and you'll have a much better idea of the logic involvedL since you'll be able to see what happens to content page placement on sheets when you add more pages.  L The thing is that this changes wit every type of folding you do, so it isn't( so simple to devise a generic algorith,.  C This is also very helpful also when you fold on both vertically and N horizontally since you may end up with some pages needing to be printed upside1 down so that when folded, they are right side up.     J Another thing you need to be concerned about is whether you will print theJ sheets dual sided in one shot, or whether you will print it in a 2 pass (2
 print jobs).    G So your DCL will have to construct a list of content pages, assign each K content page a position on a specific sheet number (on either a or b side).   M Then, when you get ready to print, you need to decide if you are printing in: F 	1b,2a,3a,4a  followed by a separate job 4b,3b,2b,1b  (or, depening onU printer, the second bacth may be in 1b,2b,3b,4b order - this depends on the printer).   @ Or, of your printer has dual sided capability, then you print in 1a,1b,2a,2b,3a,3b,4a,4b order.  M Note that postscript cannot perform all this logic for you because postscript H doesn't have a magic way to determine the results of posctript code that hasn't yet executed.  N What postscript can do however is take a sequence of code and position them onC the same sheet of paper instead of spitting out one sheet per page.   N What you need do do is to separate each face of a sheet of paper (for instanceI 1a) into whatever number of "content pages", and determine their position = relative to the sheet of paper. (in postscript coordinates).    F You redefine the showcase operator to just play with page coordinates.M For the first content page, you translate to the origin on sheet of paper for M first content page. When "showpage" is executed, you then simply translate to M the location of the second "content" page on the sheet of paper etc. When you L translate to the last position on the sheet of paper, you define showpage toL actually execute the real showpage, and reset the location variables so that% the next page starts the cycle again.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:41:04 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ? Subject: Re: basic questions about ALPHAserver 2000 4/{200|233} ( Message-ID: <c49u4g$q98$1@pcls4.std.com>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:  F >In my quest to collect interesting hardware, I sometimes end up with I >stuff which is too old, big, slow, power-hungry etc for my needs.  Such  G >a beast has ALPHAserver 2000 4/200 on the front, but the display says   >233 instead of 200.  G Someone replaced the CPU without updating the label on the front (quite  common)   J >It has two 9-pin serial ports (like the ALPHAstation 255/233) labelled 1 % >and 2.  It ALSO has a graphics card.   I Connect a terminal to COM1 with a PC 9 pin to whatever cable, 9600 8/N/1. 4 Pound on the return key and you should see a prompt.  E >I don't see a console prompt on a VT320 set to the standard settings J >(receive=transmit=9600, 8 bits no parity etc).  It seems to power up and 9 >run through the self-tests OK, based on the LCD display.   H Remove the keyboard or hit the return key while it's doing the selftest.  H >I tried a |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| BCC08 which has "CONSOLE" written on the big H >end and "PR1" written on the other end.  Should I expect this cable to  >work?   No.   G (at one time, Digital decided to use 9 pin connectors for certain MV2s. F They came up with a wiring scheme.  Some time later, PC makers decidedE to do the same thing, and came up with their own wiring.  Guess which  one is now the 'standard' one?)   G >Is it possible that the console is set to graphics?  If so, how can I  A >change it (preferably without having to pull the graphics card).   > Once you see the >>> prompt on the terminal, enter the command "set console serial".   > >Which of the serial connectors should be the console (OPA0:)?   COM1.    --   -Mike    ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:10:02 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> * Subject: Black helicopters over JF's house8 Message-ID: <999b8a22d4efbe29962dbf33da02286a@dizum.com>  % JF Mezei <jfmezei@istop.com> trolled:    >Tony Reed wrote: C >> Actually, there was a very interesting Supreme Court (of Canada) D >> decision recently that moves in the direction of making ISPs (and) >> anonymous mailers) "common carriers,"   > H >Stop supporting your friends. There is no way in hell that an anonymous3 >remailer that allows chop chop chop chop chop.....   G Sounds like the black helicopters are swooping over JF's house again...   L Maybe they've been reading all your messages on r.t.a. about the role of theM clitoris in the airline business, Jesus Christ and Princess Lea masturbating, K C3PO and Chewbacca getting a gay marriage, and the hundreds of doozies like * these you come up with on a regular basis.   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI   (Rev. Mar. 28, 2004)   1.  Who is JF Mezei?  G Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hit J rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also one of the) longest running trolls in usenet history.   J ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND E-MAILO ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS THEIR MESSAGES.***   I If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor the K control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your messages, P forward a copies of them to Ralph Doncaster of Istop at  ralph@doncaster.on.ca .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezei  86 Harwood Gate  Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3  (514) 695-8259  / His current e-mail address is jfmezei@istop.com   * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  H His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades yourO newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out, O every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He does not listen to pleas I to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not pay O attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he just M goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his ears G closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"    5.  What does he troll about?   P His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  He hates theK USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into a USA-bashing C fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts.   $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  P Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have a visceralP hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a happier, better, moreJ successful version of their country and they can't stand it.  Some of JF'sN favorite troll bait is "the Bush regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis ofJ evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   P Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre.  Among hisI favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys, M circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless.    8.  Circumcision???   P Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes to insertF circumcision into his trolling every now and then.  Apparently, JF wasP traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada,O left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world. N Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time,O he was psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he arranged D to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcisionN proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy.  His mainO argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after getting circumcised M without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he has > made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel.  H 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.  N Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among the subjects dearO to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially little boy's J foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens.  He is also aK tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to masturbate H early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  L He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their littleM boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper movement, O and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.  Utopia for JF would be a > world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises.  M 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute!  Are  you sure about all this stuff?  P Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a decade full of Mezei trolling in there.   M 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time like  all trolls do?  K Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling  aliases.  G 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work?   O Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a grown man O who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the newsgroups M all night.  In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bike G down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike.   9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   M Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he never got past G the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull my H finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  L 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them, is
 that true?  M Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker room. N He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms overP the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the menO in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how little is N left if they have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.   O 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!   M Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin foil hat N world where others are out to get him.  The key to understanding JF is that heL sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the world is out to get him, especially the) USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.   O What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail system was J "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains,N writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like a goodM freak.  Then he turned his attention to aviation.  Major events that made him P fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines andO their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid is M he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employees O went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover up the Air D Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash1 investigation.  He has never recovered from this.   6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  O His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient, J arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously forM decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who share J his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!  ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?   I can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computer G groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded the N sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it relentlesslyP with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for.  But they ranN him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail% between his legs, licking his wounds.   P 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't troll.  O Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he slips P in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and,L more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so they* won't find out what a major netkook he is.  P 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  O Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while you're at I it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too.  And to O alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.   4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  H Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:   abuse@istop.com  abuse@sympatico.ca abuse@bellglobal.com  L For personal attention, you may contact Ralph Doncaster at Istop directly at ralph@doncaster.on.ca.  P And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups, email it toP people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and magazinesI that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  P List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years.  This isK only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.    jfmezei@istop.com  jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com  jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca  nospam.jfmezei@videotron.ca  "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  nobody <nobody@null.dev>) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com> ' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au> # snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> ) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>  Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org> " Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com> ' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org> ' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org> ( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org> ! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>   Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org> ! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com> & Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org> % Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org> & Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org> ' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org> ( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil> ' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org> % Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum> ( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org> " Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> ) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org> ' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org> * Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>  Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>   ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 03:54:11 GMT > From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>5 Subject: Re: Broken PCSI$DATABASE file -- how to fix? = Message-ID: <Db6ac.11749$vF3.6831@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>    David B Sneddon wrote:   > Didier Morandi espoused: >  >> David B Sneddon wrote:  >> >>> Didier Morandi espoused: >>> ; >>>> When you do a $ prod sh prod, do you get an error too?  >>>> >>>> D.  >>>  >>>  >>>  >>> L >>> I can do PRODUCT SHOW PRODUCT, PRODUCT SHOW OBJECT and PRODUCT SHOW HIST >>> commands with no problems. >>>  >>  >> Could you do an $ ana/rms on L >> SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.][SYSEXE]DEC-AXPVMS-VMS-V0703-2.PCSI$DATABASE;1 >> >> pls.  >> >> D.  >  >  > That uncovered no errors.  > 
 > Regards, > Dave.   G it depends on how much you want to keep of your PCSI database.  I have  @ recently had to redo one of my systems.  I will have to get the I instructions when I get back to the office tomorrow.  It basically wipes  I the history and you start from scratch.  Keep in mind that if there is a  H major problem, HP may want to see the entire history - hence the backup.  H If you will drop me a note (reply and un-munge the domain name), I will I try to get it too you during the day... I don't have an easy way to post   it here from work...   Regards,   Michael Austin.    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 13:49:11 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: HP's emails blocked by spamcop 3 Message-ID: <uCX+rWJo$VeS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <9f7f13a8.0403160958.4b569730@posting.google.com>, alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels) writes:  D > At a previous site I had a number of email's from hp blocked. They< > usually contained things like, 'anal/sys' or 'anal/crash'.  @ Serves them right for abbreviating commands in documentation :-)  I Seriously, SpamCop and other DNSbls have nothing to do with content-based I filtering, they only list IP addresses from which spam has been received.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:08:48 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Re: Is VMS a trademark of HP/COMPAQ/DEC ?H Message-ID: <AM3ac.1326$0Y.1296@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ; "Jerome" <jeromeatforissierdotorg@no.spam> wrote in message 1 news:fiJ8c.32413$zm5.13591@nntpserver.swip.net...  > norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: B > > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote on 03/25/2004 09:39:29 AM:I > >> "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message < > >> news:8a646952.0403241402.49286ec7@posting.google.com... > >>> To Everyone: > >>> = > >>> I am find an increasing number of advertisement for job F > >>> opportunities with companies that are using VMS as an acronym in > >>> the job listings.  > <snip>G > >> HP doesn't care is anyone uses VMS in another context. As Mr. Webb , > >> points out below, context is important. > <snip>D > > Even though it's not pronounced that way , it's still officially0 > > written as "OpenVMS" so there is no problem. > K > And according to www.uspto.gov, "VMS" is DEAD, but "OpenVMS" is ALIVE ;-)  >  > Word Mark OPENVMS 6 > FIRST USE: 19921116. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19921116 > Serial Number 78032586 > Filing Date October 26, 2000 > Registration Number 2498503 $ > Registration Date October 16, 2001D > Owner (REGISTRANT) Compaq Information Technologies Group, L.P. CPQ	 Holdings, L > Inc., a Delaware corporation PARTNERSHIP TEXAS 20555 State Highway 249 MS: > 110701 Houston TEXAS 77070 > Prior Registrations 1230863  > Type of Mark TRADEMARK > Live/Dead Indicator LIVE >  > Word Mark VMS 6 > FIRST USE: 19780224. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19780224 > Serial Number 73211929 > Filing Date April 16, 1979 > Registration Number 1230863 " > Registration Date March 15, 1983L > Owner (REGISTRANT) Digital Equipment Corporation CORPORATION MASSACHUSETTS* > 146 Main St. Maynard MASSACHUSETTS 01754 > Type of Mark TRADEMARK > Live/Dead Indicator DEAD% > Cancellation Date December 20, 2003      Maybe Sun will register it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:02:13 -0800 & From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net> Subject: Re: Multia (yet again) , Message-ID: <c4a9ut02gpc@enews4.newsguy.com>   Bill: G I've got 3 Multia's and a NoName (AXPci133) collecting dust (all which  G use the same memory), contact me off list and we'll work something out.    TomC   Bill Gunshannon wrote:  F > I am still trying to bring up a multia (don't know what for yet, butB > it does look like an interesting box.)  I have collected all theE > little bits and pieces like a laptop hard disk and a laptop floppy. B > But, I still lack one major component that I have been unable toB > acquire so I turn here one more time.  Does anyone have a coupleC > of SIMMS that will work in a Multia that they are willing to part F > with (cheap?).  And please don't suggest Ebay as I tried that route.C > I got PC SIMMS (without parity) and never got my money back after  > returning them.  >  > bill >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:18:24 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> , Subject: Re: OT: HP embraces Linux even more' Message-ID: <40687680.6090507@MMaz.com>   ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:   > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > + >> Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote:  >> >>> Bob Koehler wrote: >>> 8 >>>> In article <4062868B.FABD2425@istop.com>, JF Mezei ( >>>> <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> writes: >>>>C >>>>> Seems HP will now start to offer more Linux boxes, including   >>>>> desktops to D >>>>> ENTERPRISE CUSTOMERS ONLY, due to high demand from enterprise  >>>>> customers for F >>>>> lower cost servers/desktops. These will not be available to the  >>>>> consumer market. >>>>>  >>>> >>>>J >>>>    Will they ship OpenOfiice on them?  Or are they doing something to+ >>>>    avoid depending on Sun's good will?  >>>>0 >>> What like develop their own Office product ? >> >> >>D >> I believe you are confused, StarOffice is Sun, OpenOffice is GPL. >> > @ > No its you who is confused, StarOffice is OpenOffice plus some= > commercial additions. If you look on the openoffice.org web > > site you will discover that a very very high % of the owners= > of indevidual project streams have @sun.com email addresses < > mainly because Sun does most of the openoffice development  I But the difference is that with StarOffice, they would need to depend on  C Suns 'Goodwill' where as with OpenOffice, they can be just takers,  G participate, or fork their own GPL efforts but none of the later three   make then 'Dependent on Sun.'    Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 17:14:05 -08001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) ! Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Question < Message-ID: <cf15391e.0403291714.3e1c80b@posting.google.com>  i brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote in message news:<TuX6c.47304$_w.751878@attbi_s53>... O > I was told that "best practice" suggested not to use the system disk, (or any L > other disk) but to use a separate one.  I don't know the precise reason(s)  @ Since a quorum disk can't be a member of a host-based shadowset,? having the system disk be the quorum disk does prevent you from E shadowing the system disk. (It can be protected against disk failures ' by controller-based mirroring, though.)    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:40:14 GMT ( From: "konabear" <maurert@ameritech.net>! Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Question @ Message-ID: <2e4ac.18328$t16.9808059@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>  E If the there is no mirroring and no shadowing then the system disk is I arguably a good candidate for the quorum disk and using it for the quorum . disk doesn't introduce a new point of failure.  H (tongue in check) That would have to be weighed against *all* the quorumH file I/O activity bottlenecking the system disk however. :^)  Seriously,A it's easier to argue the other way around.  If the system disk is F bottlenecked with I/O, then making it the quorum disk is not a perfect	 solution.e  J Arguably the best quorum disk would be a small isolated mirrored partitionI on a controller with redundant paths to both watchers. Isolated as in theeF only file would be the quorum file so that backups wouldn't be needed.J (Backups have been known to interfere with quorum disk activity.) MirroredL and redundant paths for reliability sake.  "Both" as a cluster with only oneH watcher gains nothing by having a quorum disk.   "Both" as in two quorumI disk watchers (rat hole alert) because IMHO quorum disks are for clusterssE with only two voting members.  IMHO if there are more than two voting ' members then I'd go SANS a quorum disk.?   Todd        > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:cf15391e.0403291714.3e1c80b@posting.google.com...A > brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton) wrote in messageT) news:<TuX6c.47304$_w.751878@attbi_s53>...-I > > I was told that "best practice" suggested not to use the system disk,G (or any D > > other disk) but to use a separate one.  I don't know the precise	 reason(s)e >dB > Since a quorum disk can't be a member of a host-based shadowset,A > having the system disk be the quorum disk does prevent you fromeG > shadowing the system disk. (It can be protected against disk failuresm) > by controller-based mirroring, though.)i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:47:43 -0000m! From: Z  <zarlenga@conan.ids.net> ! Subject: Re: Quorum Disk QuestionL0 Message-ID: <106huvf1l73pr8a@corp.supernews.com>  ' konabear <maurert@ameritech.net> wrote:uG : If the there is no mirroring and no shadowing then the system disk istK : arguably a good candidate for the quorum disk and using it for the quorumO0 : disk doesn't introduce a new point of failure.  < I don't understand ... why have a quorum disk at all if it's a device that's not shared?x  < Why not just give the node with the system disk (that you're3 thinking of making your quorum disk) an extra vote?e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 03:43:25 GMTe> From: Michael Austin <maustin@no-more-spam.firstdbasource.com>0 Subject: Re: Sending RFC based Mail with MC MIME> Message-ID: <x16ac.11746$By3.10153@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>  D When sending zip files to Outlook, I do not use MIME, but I get the 6 desired results using something like (7.2-1h1 and up):   zip <zipfile> <file list>p or@ pipe dir /<various qualifiers> <somefilespec> | zip <zipfile> -@ !!the -@ says to use stdin# $@sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands -     ^^^^!! normally in my systems SYLOGIN.COMgD pipe uuencode <zipfile> sys$output | mail sys$pipe /subj="some text  here" "someuser@somwhere.com" @ With PIPE you can use sys$pipe or sys$input as the input to the G sub-process, but not in all cases.  Mail is one of those that you must  * use sys$pipe -- or it just doesn't work...  I and I get an attachment the I would expect too with out doing all of the nG MIME stuff...  I am sure there are reasons to use MIME, but I have not c( found one in the stuff I need to send...   Michael Austin.e         Jerry Alan Braga wrote: K > If anyone is interested I have included a command file that can send mail}3 > using mail or smtp including rendered attachments) >  > $! > $! Send Mail with Mime > $! > $! Requirements:- > $! MC MIME utility for attachment renderings/ > $! TCPIP send from File utility if using SMTP  > $! > $! Logicals if Defined4 > $! define/system sendmail_mode  ! "SMTP" or "MAIL"A > $! define/system sendmail_domain ! Overrides the default domain8F > $! define/system sendmail_sff ! Send from file image to use for smtp > $! > $! Usage:pH > $! @sendmail "to_address,..." "Subject" "Body" "Attachment,..." "Mode" > $!	 > $ Main:e	 > $!-----r > $ Gosub Initialize > $ Gosub Header > $ Gosub Body > $ Gosub Attachments  > $ Gosub Send > $ Gosub Finish > $! > $ Exit > $! > $ Initialize:o > $!-----------t > $! > $ proc     =K > f$edit(f$parse(f$enviornment("PROCEDURE"),,,"NAME"),"LOWERCASE,COLLAPSE") C > $ username = f$edit(f$getjpi("","USERNAME"),"LOWERCASE,COLLAPSE")o! > $ pid      = f$getjpi("","PID")x. > $ tmp_inp  = "sys$scratch:''proc'''pid'.tmp". > $ tmp_eml  = "sys$scratch:''proc'''pid'.eml" > $!' > $! -- Get the Send From File Image --  > $!! > $ sff = f$trnlnm("''proc'_sff")r > $ if (sff .eqs. "")p0 > $ then  sff = "$sys$system:tcpip$smtp_sff.exe" > $ else sff = "$''sff'"	 > $ endif  > $! > $! -- Get Email Domain --  > $!I > $ inet_domain = f$edit(f$trnlnm("''proc'_domain"),"LOWERCASE,COLLAPSE")n0 > $ if (inet_domain .eqs. "") then inet_domain =< > f$edit(f$trnlnm("TCPIP$INET_DOMAIN"),"LOWERCASE,COLLAPSE") > $!& > $! -- RFC Message ID xxxxx.xxxxx --  > $!J > $ message_id = "''f$cvtime(,,"DAYOFYEAR")'''f$cvtime(,,"SECONDOFYEAR")'" > $ message_id =J > "''message_id'.''f$cvtime(,,"HOUROFYEAR")'''f$cvtime(,,"SECONDOFYEAR")'" > $!5 > $! -- RFC Date time Day, DD MON YYYY HH:MM:SS.CC --p > $! > $ datetime    = -e< >  f$extract(0,3,f$cvtime(,"ABSOLUTE","WEEKDAY")) + ", " + -N >  f$cvtime(,"ABSOLUTE","DAY") + " " + f$cvtime(,"ABSOLUTE","MONTH") + " " + -D >  f$cvtime(,"ABSOLUTE","YEAR") + " " + f$cvtime(,"ABSOLUTE","TIME") > $! > $! *** Start Parameters ***r > $!? > $ p_address  = f$edit("''p1'","COLLAPSE")  ! Email address(s):2 > $ p_subject  = f$edit("''p2'","TRIM")  ! SubjectD > $ p_body  = f$edit("''p3'","TRIM")  ! Can be A Filename or message0 > $ p_attach = f$edit("''p4'","TRIM")  ! File(s); > $ p_mode = f$edit("''p5'","UPCASE,COLLAPSE") ! SMTP, MAIL  > $! > $! *** End Parameters ***p > $! > $! -- Check Mode Logical --e > $!? > $ l_mode = f$edit(f$trnlnm("''proc'_mode"),"UPCASE,COLLAPSE")uC > $ if (l_mode .nes. "" .and. p_mode .eqs. "") then p_mode = l_modeo > $!" > $! -- Address Must be passed --- > $! > $ if (p_address .eqs. "")e > $ then > $ write sys$output ""2- > $ write sys$output "Email Address Required"i > $ exit	 > $ endifo > $!5 > $! If Mode is SMTP the check for the Image Required  > $!J > $ if (p_mode .eqs. "SMTP" .and. f$search(f$extract(1,f$length(sff),sff)) > .eqs. "")  > $ then > $ write sys$output ""b) > $ write sys$output "Cannot Find ''sff'"d > $ exit	 > $ endif  > $!B > $! Check to See if To Address is a single address with No Domain5 > $! If this is true assume the same domain as senderv! > $! This emulates VMS mail basedtG > $! This is required as the mail/for will not work without @domain.com  > $!> > $ if (f$locate(",",p_address) .eq. f$length(p_address) .and.3 > f$locate("@",p_address) .eq. f$length(p_address))h > $ then. > $  p_address = "''p_address'@''inet_domain'"	 > $ endifo > $!
 > $ return > $! > $ Header:s > $!-------d > $! > $ open/write f 'tmp_eml' > $!A > $! If No Attachments are to be Used then Must Write Text Header - > $! As MC MIME will not be used to Create ite > $! > $ if (p_attach .eqs. "") > $ then* > $ boundry = "OpenVMS/MIME.''message_id'"  > $  write f "Mime-version: 1.0"A > $  write f "Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=''boundry'"t. > $  write f "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"2 > $  write f "Message-ID: <''message_id'@OpenVMS>" > $  write f ""y > $  write f ""n > $  write f "--''boundry'" 	 > $ endifj: > $ write f "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1"- > $ write f "Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit"h) > $ write f "Content-Disposition: inline"l > $ write f "" > $! > $ close fn > $!
 > $ Return > $!	 > $ Body: 	 > $!-----o > $!: > $! Body Of Message Can be an input file or a Text String > $!' > $ if (f$search("''p_body'") .nes. "")u > $ then% > $ convert/append 'p_body' 'tmp_eml'  > $ else > $ open/append f 'tmp_eml'e > $ write f "''p_body'"o > $ close fn	 > $ endifs > $!
 > $ Return > $! > $ Attachments: > $!------------ > $!@ > $! Parse Multiple attachments and add according to file format > $! using the MIME utilityu > $! > $ files = p_attach > $ afnd = 0
 > $ aloop:& > $ if (files .eqs. "") then goto aeof > $ pos = f$locate(",",files) " > $  if (pos .ne. f$length(files))( > $  then  file = f$extract(0,pos,files) > $  else  file = filesn
 > $  endif > $! > $  fspec = f$search(file)s( > $  if (fspec .eqs. "") then goto aloop > $u > $ if (.not. afnd)e > $ then > $  open/write f 'tmp_inp'n$ > $  write f "open/draft ''tmp_eml'"
 > $  afnd = 1t	 > $ endifs > $!8 > $! If File is FIX then must use binary type attachment. > $! Otherwise allow MIME utility to detect it > $!* > $  rfm = f$file_attributes(fspec, "RFM") > $  if (rfm .eqs. "FIX")- > $  then mime_type = "/BINARY"2 > $  else mime_type = ""
 > $  endif > $! > $  open/append f 'tmp_inp'& > $  write f "add''mime_type' ''file'" > $ close fA > $!! > $ if (pos .eq. f$length(files))  > $ then files = ""t7 > $ else files = f$extract(pos+1,f$length(files),files)-	 > $ endifO > $ goto aloop% > $ aeof: if (.not. afnd) then returne > $ open/append f 'tmp_inp'n > $ write f "save" > $ write f "exit" > $ close f- > $!/ > $! Run MIME utility with the imput file abovev > $!# > $ define/user sys$input 'tmp_inp'  > $ define/user sys$output nl: > $! > $ mc mimee > $!& > $ delete/nolog/noconfirm 'tmp_inp';* > $!
 > $ Return > $!	 > $ Send:i	 > $!-----r > $! > $ if (p_mode .eqs. "SMTP") > $ then > $!; > $! Parse thru all addresses and send out a email for eachO > $! > $  address = p_address > $ fspec = f$search(tmp_eml)e > $  eloop:n) > $  if (address .eqs. "") then goto eeofa  > $  pos = f$locate(",",address)% > $   if (pos .ne. f$length(address))m1 > $   then  to_address = f$extract(0,pos,address)u  > $   else  to_address = address > $   endifn > $!D > $! If Email is Based on Using SMTP must write full Envelope Header; > $! Have to Write the Envelope Header for Each Destinationh > $! > $  open/write f 'tmp_eml'e6 > $   write f "MAIL FROM:<''username'@''inet_domain'>"' > $   write f "RCPT TO:<''to_address'>"  > $   write f "DATA"2 > $   write f "From: <''username'@''inet_domain'>"# > $   write f "To: <''to_address'>" % > $   write f "Subject: ''p_subject'"e! > $   write f "Date: ''datetime'"w > $  close f > $!- > $! Append the MIME rendered Version to Thiss > $!% > $  convert/append 'fspec' 'tmp_eml'f > $!. > $! Use the TCPIP SMTP Send From File Utility > $! > $   sff 'tmp_eml') > $!  sff 'tmp_eml' -loglevel 1  > $!$ > $  if (pos .eq. f$length(address)) > $  then address = ""> > $  else address = f$extract(pos+1,f$length(address),address)
 > $  endif > $ goto eloop	 > $ eeof:- > $ else > $!. > $! Use Standard Mail With the Foreign Switch > $!< > $ mail/for/subject="''p_subject'" 'tmp_eml' "''p_address'"	 > $ endife > $!& > $ delete/nolog/noconfirm 'tmp_eml';* > $!
 > $ return > $! > $ Finish:o > $!-------d > $! > $ exit >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 29 Mar 2004 20:31:44 -0800$ From: anantha.prabhu@hp.com (Ananth)E Subject: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???s= Message-ID: <e0273250.0403292031.5d5e2126@posting.google.com>l   Hi,n  D I need to know programatically the "Host Bus Target Lun" combinationB for a scsidevice connected to the OVMS system. Is there any system# service which will do this for me??u   Host --> HBA Bus --> SCSI bus Target --> Target SCSI idi Lun ---> Lun id.     Thanks in advance  Regardsr Ananth   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:23:37 GMTl% From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>aI Subject: Re: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???,9 Message-ID: <Jn8ac.47559$4B1.35870@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>e   Ananth  G If you are trying to see what is at the other end of your Fibre channeleK Adapter (HBA) I think that the short answer is NO!  At the VMS OS level, myyL VMS system does not have any idea what is behind the storage controller thatC is presenting a LUN to the VMS system.  It know the kind of storageR0 controller, but not what the LUN is composed of.  	 Examples:dL On an HSG80 storage controller where you are managing spindles.  If I have aK 144 GB LUN being presented from the storage controller.  It could be any ofI the following combinations:a 146GB x 2 (Mirrorset)h 72GB x 3 (Raidset) 36GB x 5 (Raidset) 18GB x 9 (Raidset) 146GB x 1 (JBOD) 72GB x 2 (Stripeset) 36GB x 4 (Stripeset) 18GB x 8 (Stripeset) (Striped mirrors... Etc.)5F You can connect to the storage controller (CLI) and check what this isJ composed of.  There you can see the bus/target id of the disk drives.  YouJ can also install the Storageworks Agent on your VMS system that will allowK it to talk to the storage controller, and you can query that way.  There issK also the unsupported HSZ$SCSITERM.EXE that might crash your system when you 6 use it.  That is one of the reasons it is unsupported!    H If you are talking about an EVA storage controller, You MUST use the SANF Appliance to configure/talk to the EVA using the Command View EVA  GUII interface.  Your disk comes in 1GB increments that is a "logical/virtual" K LUN carved from a "Storage group" that is a group of 8 or more disk drives.nK We use 2 storage groups of 120 disk drives in one EVA.  Your data is spreadn- across all of the disks in the storage group.   E I'm not sure about an XP1024 on VMS. We get our Demo unit next month.t  
 Mike Naime  / Ananth <anantha.prabhu@hp.com> wrote in messagee7 news:e0273250.0403292031.5d5e2126@posting.google.com...  > Hi,, >tF > I need to know programatically the "Host Bus Target Lun" combinationD > for a scsidevice connected to the OVMS system. Is there any system% > service which will do this for me??e >s > Host --> HBA > Bus --> SCSI bus > Target --> Target SCSI id  > Lun ---> Lun id. >a >e > Thanks in advance 	 > Regards  > Ananth   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:08:32 GMT.& From: G Henry <newsgroup@gnshenry.com> Subject: Thanks...8 Message-ID: <uvhh60lmaos278l6o54lmg0rfu43aa594a@4ax.com>   All:  . Thanks for your suggestions and they worked...  F WIll this commend works.  I did not want to try it until I asked sinceD it take about 3 hours to spin the tapes using the select clause is aF little differnt for me and I want to be sure that the files get put in the correct place :-)s   $ backup mka600:app.bck -gA /select=([cs.tw52...], [cs.tw53...],[cs.tw54...]) dka100:[cs...] e  
 THanks !!!   Gary   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:04:26 GMTn- From: Brad Clarke <screwthespammers@spam.com>(& Subject: Re: The J F  M e z e i  F A Q8 Message-ID: <8sah60dn131s1pvie4eakpsc4hc1l7h7vt@4ax.com>  D On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 04:04:41 GMT, "~ Darrell  Larose ~" <me@here.eh> wrote:  < >>"Brad Clarke" <screwthespammers@spam.com> wrote in message4 >>news:sf5f60hpssul77m1p0tqj8sbvp8oppoec6@4ax.com... >>>  >>>kL >>> >I see more posts by Nomen Nescio and all his other nom d`plumes than JF@ >>> >Mezei, I conclude that our cowardly troll is a bigger PITA. >>>i< >>> A message to abuse at dizum.com should take care of him. >>: >>Dizum never has done anything with any abuse complaints. Yeah, I see that :(g  ? Too bad they weren't as effective as the folks at Google abuse.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:39:48 +0100s< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>) Subject: Re: VEST problem - RDBSHR wanted ) Message-ID: <c4a8jl$ph5$1@news.wplus.net>a  / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in messagel( news:c49nav$1q5m$1@biggoron.nerim.net... > Alex Daniels wrote:nB > > At a customer site trying to migrate off their last VAX (sorry > > Didier). >e > No harm done.F >uE > > There is no Alpha version of the App and no source available. The.G > > application can work off RMS or RDB files, although the customer ist > > using RMS. > >o* > > My VEST'd images however are saying... > >l5 > > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image RDBSHR_TVf) > > -CLI-E-IMAGEFNF, image file not foundI. > > DSA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]RDBSHR_TV.EX > > E; > >kG > > Guess its because the image wasn't present when I VEST'ed, which itnJ > > wouldn't be as they are using RMS here, but the code supports both RMSH > > and RDB for sites that want to use RDB and I guess was linked by theE > > people who made it originally and they had RDB installed as well.i > >mI > > Has anyone got a copy of SYS$LIBRARY:RDBSHR.EXE or RDBSHR_TV.EXE theyi > > could give me ?? > >eH > > Or does anyone know the last VAX or Alpha SPL I could expect to find
 > > it on?G > > (They dont seem to have a documented back catalog of SPL's here, so 8 > > would be a mission for me to try and look through!). >lJ > Files with the _TV suffix are vested images. This message means that you do notI > have the vested version of the RDBSHR.EXE shareable image. So, yes, the  solutionI > for you is either to get a VESTed copy of the file, or the original and  VEST it. >?C > Which version of Rdb was used? (I may have a copy somewhere on myl	 Cluster).  >e > D. >  >Kerry Main wrote: >u > Alex,  >h+ >What version of DECmigrate were you using?c >l >Here is latest pointer:< >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/omsva/omsva.html     Thanks everyone...  F Didier,  understood on the _TV, thats my problem I dont have RDBSHR orI RDBSHR_TV as I dont have RDB, but as the App was originally linked by the,H people who sold it I guess they did, as their App works with RDB or RMS.  L Now although I'm using it with RMS, it seems it is still expecting RDBSHR toF be there when its linked. No idea of what version of RDB it was linkedK against, shouldnt think it will matter too much as I won't be using the appeI with RDB, so am guessing its not such a big deal if its not totally up to  date.e  F Kerry, Thats the one I've got, was plesently surprised to see its beenF updated since last time I used it! I only wish my hp VMS buisness crit0 account manager was even half as helpful as you.  J And a big thanks to Jim who sent me a copy of RDBSHR.EXE, will VEST it andH and then reVEST the app and see how it goes (Sigh 100s of images in thisG App, though probably don't need to re-do them all.). At a DECUS meetingeJ tuesday, but will check it out the day after and post back on how it goes.   Thanks   Alex   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 03:24:17 GMTc& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> Subject: [ot?]Trademark Alphau> Message-ID: <BL5ac.44144$dD1.13226@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>  G This is a sad tale that may lead me to a bright, new career in the dog u walking industry.p  F A Digital employee until 1992, I was shocked when I was caught in the G 2nd round of layoffs and given severance. My reaction was to create my tH own consulting business. Naturally enough, I wanted to associate myself E with the new Alpha processor. So, with Digital's consent, I filed my eH business papers - DBA: "Alpha Software Engineering". Eight years later, D with Digital gone and little hope for Compaq's investment in VMS, I I threw myself into Java application development and incorporated as well. pE Wanting to keep my domain name and association with my remaining VMS mD customers, I incorporated as "Alpha Software Express, LLC". All the H while using the domain AlphaSE.COM (which stood nicely for either Alpha " Software Engineering, or Express).  B Then, this past Friday, I got a 'cease and desist' order from the I attorneys representing "Alpha Software, Inc." charging me with Trademark  D Infringement. They are insisting I give up BOTH names as well as my H domain name! Since their domain name is "AlphaSoftware.com" you'd think 9 they'd be happy as clams. But now they want mine as well!wE Ironically, they are a Burlington Mass based corporation (probably a dI stone's throw from an old DEC office). It's also odd, I think, that even sI though they have nothing to do with the Alpha processor, they managed to .A coexist with Digital when it trademarked Alpha as their chip set.k  G Since I now have to prepare for a legal battle with a MUCH larger foe,  G I've been doing a lot of research into Trademarks and their usage. The cH biggest factor seems to be confusion in the marketplace. Which leads to    a question for this group.  A Has anyone ever confused me (Alpha Software Express) with "Alpha t Software, Inc." ?   E Also, any little-known information you may want to share on this foe o will be welcomed.,  I There is another troubling aspect. Was there a curse associated with Ken e Olsen ? Maybe one that said:F "You will have great favor & wealth and for 35 years people will love  your works. I But beware. As the century nears its end, all favor will be withheld and TF your works shall be ridiculed as "legacy" and anyone who continues to F promote your works shall be forever doomed; or at least marginalized."   -- o   Have VMS, Will Traveln Wire paladin, San Franciscon   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 03:28:38 GMTyL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphao6 Message-ID: <00A2F94C.7FF44648@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  H In article <BL5ac.44144$dD1.13226@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>, Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> writes:   >nH >This is a sad tale that may lead me to a bright, new career in the dog  >walking industry.  J I'm really sorry (and angry) to hear about the story (which I've snipped).# I hope this works out well for you.    -- Alan.   -- oO ===============================================================================C0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056SM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025uO ===============================================================================n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:05:23 -0400t* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphao) Message-ID: <4068F1D9.38189828@istop.com>    Don Sykes wrote:7 > business papers - DBA: "Alpha Software Engineering". n  J > attorneys representing "Alpha Software, Inc." charging me with TrademarkE > Infringement. They are insisting I give up BOTH names as well as my. > domain name!  N They claim that they have been in business for 20 years according to their webN site.  I strongly suspect that they haven't been operating under that name for
 that long.  K I remember when Digital renamed the "beta" name "Alpha" to "AXP" supposedlyyN due to legal problems, only to adopt "Alpha" officially a few years later. YouD might want to get some background history from ex-Decies about that.  K If Digital had struck some deal with these guys to finally get the right toiN use Alpha, you could argue that since your use of Alpha was under the umbrella= of Digital, that your use was also covered by same agreement.c  J You might also want to contact Alpha Processor Inc to find out if they had problems with these guys.m  J These guys seem to be just some wintel crap software. You could argue thatN your trademark not only does not interfere with your market, but that you haveH greater "right" to use that name because your business relies on DigitalN technologies and Digotal has a bona fide trademarks "Alpha" which Digital gave you permission to use.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.176 ************************