1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 31 Mar 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 178       Contents:@ Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers attempted wait on idle buffer ! RE: attempted wait on idle buffer ! Re: attempted wait on idle buffer  DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding Standards Re: DCL Coding StandardsP Re: Intel and Microsoft provide higher 32-bit applications  performance         P Re: Intel and Microsoft provide higher 32-bit applications  performance         $ Re: Is Common lisp available on VMS?% Re: Libary/CDD Question for Vax-Basic  Lpd and tray selection RE: Lpd and tray selection Re: Lpd and tray selection. MACHINECHK, Machine check while in kernel mode2 Re: MACHINECHK, Machine check while in kernel mode$ Re: Programmatic printing from 7.3-1 Re: Quorum Disk Question Re: Quorum Disk Question Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Securing files under VMS Re: Sun On The Run?  Re: Sun On The Run? @ Re: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???@ Re: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???@ RE: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???@ Re: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination??? Re: TEMPERATURE_VECTOR Re: The J F  M e z e i  F A Q  Re: The J F  M e z e i  F A Q  Re: The J F  M e z e i  F A Q 2 Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable6 Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha- Re: [OT] Outlook 2003 efficiency against spam   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 13:56:06 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: AMD OpteronT Processor Powers New Family of Sun Fire Servers 3 Message-ID: <POAnKzzBn5VX@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <c4cc57$ph2$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > F > But then that thinking is symptomatic of the Digital malaise, chooseE > a benchmark that is meaningless to 99% of you customer base because B > it doesn't model their apps well and concentrate on building theA > biggest and hairiest system to deliver against that test to the = > detriment of other metrics that might actually matter more.   / > Its the antithesis of  balanced system design   @    Sounds just like DEC in their pre-MIPS-fiasco, VAX-only days.E    They had lousy SPEC and fairly good TPC numbers in thier "balanced     systems".  B    Words DEC dropped in a hurry when they ported Ultrix to MIPS soH    they could go after compute intensive applications that were driving     the UNIX workstation market.   G    The digital malaise was marketting, pure and simple, pushed over the D    edge by thinking they were a computer manufacturer when what they#    were selling was great software.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 11:41:00 -0800% From: rajib_agarwala@hotmail.com (rr) & Subject: attempted wait on idle buffer< Message-ID: <da76d0d8.0403301141.bcfba09@posting.google.com>  	 Dear all, D we are getting the error   "%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on? idle buffer" ,while taking backup from disk to tape drive.Its a @ AlphaServer 4000 5/600 8MB box with OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating System, Version V7.1-1H., Any help will be greatly appreciated.Thanks!   Dia output: + ******************************** ENTRY 8193   ********************************    - Logging OS                        1. OpenVMS  + System Architecture               2. Alpha  . OS version                           V7.1-1H2 % Event sequence number          4786.  < Timestamp of occurrence              29-MAR-2004 22:11:33   7 Time since reboot                    32 Day(s) 8:36:15  . Host name                            RICLM2     @ System Model                         AlphaServer 4000 5/600 8MB   2 Entry type                        1. Device Error     ' ---- Device Profile ----                3 Unit                                 RICLM2$MKB400  * Product Name                         TZ89   ' -- Driver Supplied Info -               * Device Firmware Revision             2150 E VMS SCSI Error Type               5. Extended Sense Data from Device  $ SCSI ID                         x04 $ SCSI LUN                        x00 $ SCSI SUBLUN                     x00 A Port Status               x00000001  NORMAL  -  normal successful 
 completion4 Command Opcode                  x0A  Write (6 byte) ' Command Data                            $                                 x00 $                                 x00 $                                 xFE $                                 x00 $                                 x00 '                                         5 SCSI Status                     x02  Check Condition  % Remaining Byte Length            24.    ' --- Device Sense Data ---                 4 Error Code                      xF1  Deferred Error A                                      Information Bytes are Valid  $ Segment #                       x00 $ Information Byte 3              x00 $             Byte 2              x00 $             Byte 1              x00 $             Byte 0              x00 5 Sense Key                       x0B  Aborted Command  $ Additional Sense Length         x16 $ CMD Specific Info Byte 3        x00 $                   Byte 2        x00 $                   Byte 1        x86 $                   Byte 0        x2A 4 ASC & ASCQ                    x4489  ASC  =   x0044 4                                      ASCQ =   x0089 E                                      Device Vendor Specific ASC/ASCQ  3                                      unrecognized.  $ FRU Code                        x00 > Sense Key Specific Byte 0       x00  Sense Key Data NOT Valid $                    Byte 1       x00 $                    Byte 2       x00   % Count of valid bytes:             6.      ?           15--<-12  11--<-08  07--<-04  03--<-00   :Byte Order  F  0000:    00000000  00000000  00009600  007D0B81   *..}.............*     ' ----- Software Info -----               : UCB$x_ERTCNT                     16. Retries Remaining    : UCB$x_ERTMAX                     16. Retries Allowable    , IRP$Q_IOSB                x0000000000000000 , UCB$x_STS                 x00001910  Online *                                      Busy 4                                      Software Valid 8                                      Unload At Dismount 8 IRP$L_PID                 x00A100D8  Requestor "PID"    9 IRP$x_BOFF                        0. Byte Page Offset     A IRP$x_BCNT                    65024. Transfer Size In Byte(s)     9 UCB$x_ERRCNT                     24. Errors This Unit     8 UCB$L_OPCNT                23840961. QIO's This Unit    3 ORB$L_OWNER               x00010004  Owners UIC     5 UCB$L_DEVCHAR1            x0DCC4021  Record Oriented  A                                      "Sequential Block" Oriented  3                                      File Oriented  /                                      Available  -                                      Mounted  3                                      Error Logging  /                                      Allocated  -                                      Foreign  6                                      Capable of Input 7                                      Capable of Output      + ******************************** ENTRY 8194   ********************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:20:12 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>* Subject: RE: attempted wait on idle buffer' Message-ID: <01326CB4.C22236@yahoo.com>   	 rr wrote:   F > we are getting the error   "%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on< > idle buffer" ,while taking backup from disk to tape drive.  H $ HELP/MESSAGE seems to indicate it's a BACKUP error and that you should contain HP.  --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:23:16 GMT 4 From: brad@.gateway.2wire.net (Bradford J. Hamilton)* Subject: Re: attempted wait on idle buffer/ Message-ID: <UGkac.137419$1p.1789579@attbi_s54>   d In article <da76d0d8.0403301141.bcfba09@posting.google.com>, rajib_agarwala@hotmail.com (rr) writes:
 !Dear all,E !we are getting the error   "%BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB, attempted wait on @ !idle buffer" ,while taking backup from disk to tape drive.Its aA !AlphaServer 4000 5/600 8MB box with OpenVMS (TM) Alpha Operating  !System, Version V7.1-1H. - !Any help will be greatly appreciated.Thanks!     Try this (warning! URL wrapped):  < ftp://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/patches/vms/axp/v7.1-1h1 /alpback05_071.README   ) "PROBLEMS ADDRESSED IN ALPBACK02_071 KIT:   D   o  A %BACKUP-F-WAITIDLEBCB error is possible when a media error is*      encountered with the BACKUP utility."  - I just installed this patch last weekend.	:-)    !snip!  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 11:14:31 -0800- From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)  Subject: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0403301114.748cc884@posting.google.com>   F Hey, does anyone out there have a short document that they use for DCL0 Coding Standards that they are willing to share?   TIA    JMOD   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 13:57:58 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 3 Message-ID: <1J09BwQkeetR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <f401eb7f.0403301114.748cc884@posting.google.com>, soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes: H > Hey, does anyone out there have a short document that they use for DCL2 > Coding Standards that they are willing to share?      Yes:          Don't.  H    Anything complex enough to require coding standards is complex enough    to justify compilable code.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:42:59 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) ! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards 2 Message-ID: <nZkac.2020$MY1.1904@news.cpqcorp.net>  4 In article <1J09BwQkeetR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   I >   Anything complex enough to require coding standards is complex enough 1 >   to justify compilable code [rather than DCL].   D In case this is NOT a troll, I'll point out that the decision to useC DCL vs a compilable language has little to do with it being complex 3 and much to do with the nature of the task at hand.    --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:28:24 GMT 4 From: "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com>! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards % Message-ID: <406A1EB9.4871@yahoo.com>   " One reason why I like to use Perl!   Charlie Hammond wrote: > 5 > In article <1J09BwQkeetR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:  > K > >   Anything complex enough to require coding standards is complex enough 3 > >   to justify compilable code [rather than DCL].  > F > In case this is NOT a troll, I'll point out that the decision to useE > DCL vs a compilable language has little to do with it being complex 5 > and much to do with the nature of the task at hand.  >  > --L >       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAH >           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)L >       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 19:02:20 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones) ! Subject: Re: DCL Coding Standards = Message-ID: <8a646952.0403301902.70811ef7@posting.google.com>   v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<1J09BwQkeetR@eisner.encompasserve.org>...o > In article <f401eb7f.0403301114.748cc884@posting.google.com>, soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes: J > > Hey, does anyone out there have a short document that they use for DCL4 > > Coding Standards that they are willing to share? > 	 >    Yes:  >  >       Don't. > J >    Anything complex enough to require coding standards is complex enough  >    to justify compilable code.   Dear Bob Koehler:   > Your statement reminds me of the statement that someone made aD National DECUS seminar: "If you need to add a second key to an index5 file, you need Rdb." Both statements are over kill!!!   B There have been simple standards in any programming languages likeF documentation, creating variables names related to the procedure beingE used, one enter point into a procedure along with one exit point, for A DCL maybe deleting all global and local symbols at startup of the C first procedure, and many others. Again, nothing is concrete except ? for what ever you do use the KISS principle and be informative.    There is my two cents.   Regards, Daryl Jones    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:51:09 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>Y Subject: Re: Intel and Microsoft provide higher 32-bit applications  performance          8 Message-ID: <dhnj60d1mvfe908cnaldddpalg4c1r2fk2@4ax.com>  H On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:46:41 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote:   >Larry Kilgallen wrote: D >> I had presumed that Keith's comment was intended to combat recentD >> claims in this newsgroup that Microsoft would not support ItaniumD >> and thus VMS was doomed because Itanium chip volume would be low. > ? >The provision of some form of software emulator says 2 things:  > A >1-The hardware emulator that was to e part of IA64 is a failure. O >2-You're going to need the emulator because not enough software will be ported  >native to IA64.  H Or 3- you're serous about backward compatibility for software to protect customer investment.   --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:37:12 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>Y Subject: Re: Intel and Microsoft provide higher 32-bit applications  performance          2 Message-ID: <mpmdnW9507Mkj_fdRVn-tw@mpowercom.net>  3 "jlsue" <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message 2 news:dhnj60d1mvfe908cnaldddpalg4c1r2fk2@4ax.com...J > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:46:41 -0500, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> > wrote: >  > >Larry Kilgallen wrote: F > >> I had presumed that Keith's comment was intended to combat recentF > >> claims in this newsgroup that Microsoft would not support ItaniumF > >> and thus VMS was doomed because Itanium chip volume would be low. > > A > >The provision of some form of software emulator says 2 things:  > > C > >1-The hardware emulator that was to e part of IA64 is a failure. J > >2-You're going to need the emulator because not enough software will be ported > >native to IA64. > J > Or 3- you're serous about backward compatibility for software to protect > customer investment. > I An emulator is needed if the Itanium is to be targeted at the desktop.  I J don't think anyone seriously believes that will happen now.  On the serverK side the key MS product is SQL Server, and MS does appear to be delivering. F I'd like to see database benchmarks on 2 or 4 way systems (the kind ofH server companies can afford, not 32 CPU monsters) with 8+ GB of RAM, theL point where 64 bits can pay off in relation to 32 bit CPUs and between IPF's" bus and AMD64 with Hypertransport.  J Itanium does deliver better floating point performance, but I don't see MSK as a major factor in that market.  For that matter if FP performance were a K big segment the Alpha would still be going strong.  Compute clusters need a D low overhead OS, and Linux has a better offering in the Beowulf typeL clustering.  I can't see any advantage of having an emulator in that market.J The apps are going to be custom, so the critical path is the compiler, notI MS Office.  Backward compatibility is a compiler issue (and are there all * that many 64-bit legacy programs around?).   Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:21:40 +0000 (UTC) 1 From: Bruce Nagel <nagelbh@sverige.freeshell.org> - Subject: Re: Is Common lisp available on VMS? : Message-ID: <slrnc6kapf.dd4.nagelbh@sverige.freeshell.org>  T In article <f64e50ca.0403300755.1895be9f@posting.google.com>, Keith Cayemberg wrote:u > Bruce Nagel <nagelbh@iceland.freeshell.org> wrote in message news:<slrnc6c7q2.1gm.nagelbh@iceland.freeshell.org>...    5 > if you check out part 4 of the Lisp FAQ at faqs.org B > (http://www.faqs.org/faqs/lisp-faq/) you will find the following  & {snip plenty of info on Lisps for VMS}  O Thank you!  I was actually searching the VMS FAQS instead of the Lisp FAQS. :-) ; I will definitely have to check out the Poplog Common Lisp.    Bruce  --  7 nagelbh@sdf.lonestar.org                www.not-art.org 7 SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org   J The Mouser felt a compulsive urge to take out his dagger and stab himself F in the heart.  A man had to die when he saw something like that.       (Fritz Leiber)     ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 14:20:22 -08002 From: vibroplex@mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA). Subject: Re: Libary/CDD Question for Vax-Basic< Message-ID: <d7d0c297.0403301420.829c9b0@posting.google.com>  
 Dear Friends,   B I just wanted to say thanks for the assistance on this issue.  I'm? grateful for all the replies and I implemented the one that Tom F Simpson & Randy Park suggested.  It worked perfectly and allowed me to5 avoid trying to synchronize two separate CDD entries.   E I appreciate all the replies and, once again, this group is terrific!   
 VMS Rocks,  
 Derek Cohn  o "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Pzn2c.495752$na.1170382@attbi_s04>... M > We use BASIC and CDD record definitions.  I agree.  This is the way I would  > do too...  >  > > J > > I've never used includes from CDD, but I have used DEC style BASIC for
 >  over 25" > > years.  I'd try the following: > > , > > %INCLUDE %FROM %CDD "FILES.EDIDB_RECORD"+ > > MAP ( EDIDB.MAP ) EDIDB_RECORD    EDIDB , > > MAP ( AEDIDB.MAP ) EDIDB_RECORD   AEDIDB > > E > > This allows you to have the same record layout with two different 	 > > MAPs.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:22:13 +0200 " From: labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr> Subject: Lpd and tray selection 2 Message-ID: <c4chqs$vnd$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr>  # Alpha Vms 7.3-2, Tcpip 5.4 Dcps 2.3   1 I have a Xerox 470 ST which prints fine with Lpd. ( This printer does not work with Dcps :-)     I have seen atV http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/communications/00997794-6D96E0C0-330289.html  > that I could use a p1 to p8 parameter in the printcap to do as/ print/param=input_tray=tray_1 or any other tray H I did that, no error message, tried various trays, but I always use the  default tray :-)    D Has anybody successfully selected various trays  with an Lpd queue ?   Gerard   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:21:10 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com># Subject: RE: Lpd and tray selection ' Message-ID: <01326CCA.C22236@yahoo.com>    labadie wrote:  F > Has anybody successfully selected various trays  with an Lpd queue ?  6 Yes, using GrayMatter Software's ScriptServer product. --  
 Brian Tillman    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:31:53 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com># Subject: Re: Lpd and tray selection ) Message-ID: <4069D932.6C6EDD29@istop.com>    labadie wrote:3 > I have a Xerox 470 ST which prints fine with Lpd. * > This printer does not work with Dcps :-)  X > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/communications/00997794-6D96E0C0-330289.html > @ > that I could use a p1 to p8 parameter in the printcap to do as1 > print/param=input_tray=tray_1 or any other tray   L If this is a postscript printer, and you are not using DCPS and instead justK dumping raw postscript through the VMS machine to the printer attached to a 4 regular VMS queue, the parameters won't do anything.  I You need to define a VMS print form which will have a setup pointing to a M module that contains the postscript code that will make the printer switch to H the appropriate tray for the duration of the job (as opposed to just the current page).  L If you are using DCPS, then perhaps the parameters might work, assuming thatP DCPS has the correct modules in the DCPS device library to act on the parameter.  N Note that if you are producing the postcript on a "fully postscript compliant"M machine, it should be using a PPD file and let you choose at that point which M tray you want and that software would then include the relevant postscript in M the file it generates before sending it to the VMS host. (VMS would then only Y act as a dumb intermediary that just queues the file without any addition of postscript).    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:09:39 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)7 Subject: MACHINECHK, Machine check while in kernel mode $ Message-ID: <c4ck63$jk0$1@online.de>  H One of my machines in my hobbyist cluster, a VAXstation 4000/60, crashedD this afternoon then automatically rebooted.  I'm happy to say that IF only noticed this fact at all since I have the node name in the promptH and as a result the TCPIP cluster alias moved to another node.  In otherI words, no loss of service, all failover functioned correctly etc.  It is  A running VMS 7.3 with all patches.  This is the first time it has  I spontaneously rebooted.  (I've had an ALPHAstation 255/233 spontaneously  G reboot a couple of times.  At least on one occasion I suspect it might  H have overheated, but that can't be the case today (it was warm, but not  THAT warm!).  % OpenVMS (TM) VAX System dump analyzer   % Dump taken on 30-MAR-2004 14:10:08.36 . MACHINECHK, Machine check while in kernel mode  5 Any way to find out more information as to the cause?     0  MACHINECHK,  machine check while in kernel mode  )   Facility:     BUGCHECK, System Bugcheck   G   Explanation:  The OpenVMS software detected an irrecoverable hardware D                 error. Because of the severity of the error, furtherM                 operation is impossible or could corrupt user data. After all L                 physical memory is written to a system dump file, the systemN                 automatically reboots if the BUGREBOOT system parameter is set                 to 1.   M   User Action:  Use the BACKUP command with the /IGNORE=NOBACKUP qualifier to L                 make a backup save set of the system dump file and the errorJ                 log file active at the time of the error. Contact a CompaqM                 support representative and describe the conditions leading to                  the error.  5 OK, without a support contract this is not an option.    ------------------------------   Date: 30 Mar 04 13:16:55 PST From: mckinneyj@cpva.saic.com ; Subject: Re: MACHINECHK, Machine check while in kernel mode ( Message-ID: <I3gJSh14EhRA@cpva.saic.com>  $ In article <c4ck63$jk0$1@online.de>,S  helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: J > One of my machines in my hobbyist cluster, a VAXstation 4000/60, crashedF > this afternoon then automatically rebooted.  I'm happy to say that IH > only noticed this fact at all since I have the node name in the promptJ > and as a result the TCPIP cluster alias moved to another node.  In otherK > words, no loss of service, all failover functioned correctly etc.  It is  C > running VMS 7.3 with all patches.  This is the first time it has  K > spontaneously rebooted.  (I've had an ALPHAstation 255/233 spontaneously  I > reboot a couple of times.  At least on one occasion I suspect it might  J > have overheated, but that can't be the case today (it was warm, but not  > THAT warm!). > ' > OpenVMS (TM) VAX System dump analyzer  > ' > Dump taken on 30-MAR-2004 14:10:08.36 0 > MACHINECHK, Machine check while in kernel mode > 7 > Any way to find out more information as to the cause?  >  > 2 >  MACHINECHK,  machine check while in kernel mode > + >   Facility:     BUGCHECK, System Bugcheck  > I >   Explanation:  The OpenVMS software detected an irrecoverable hardware F >                 error. Because of the severity of the error, furtherO >                 operation is impossible or could corrupt user data. After all N >                 physical memory is written to a system dump file, the systemP >                 automatically reboots if the BUGREBOOT system parameter is set >                 to 1.  > O >   User Action:  Use the BACKUP command with the /IGNORE=NOBACKUP qualifier to N >                 make a backup save set of the system dump file and the errorL >                 log file active at the time of the error. Contact a CompaqO >                 support representative and describe the conditions leading to  >                 the error. > 7 > OK, without a support contract this is not an option.  >     I MACHINECHKs are typically (but not always) hardware induced. So you might  start with either   ,     $ analyze/error/since/exclude=(vol,cont)  " or (if you've got DECevent loaded)  '     $ diagnose/since/exclude=(vol,cont)   = have to say about what occurred around the time of the crash.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 12:24:51 -08001 From: edward.heller@transcore.com (Edward Heller) - Subject: Re: Programmatic printing from 7.3-1 = Message-ID: <2d2038b7.0403301224.7b9d5dbe@posting.google.com>   i Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com> wrote in message news:<406632D1.7020106@Flying-Disk.com>...  > Edward Heller wrote:G > > We have a terminal-based interface that displays reports on various I > > aspects of our overall application. One aspect of the interface is to I > > provide the ability for a user to generate a prinout of a report. For I > > years (more than I care to admit), this has been done in C by opening E > > the spooled device as a file using fopen, writing the data to the G > > output and then closing the file. I upgraded a client from 7.1.x to E > > 7.3-1 and now this appears to be no longer supported? I can still J > > print files to the device using the DCL print command. I am stymied as+ > > to why the program can no longer print.  > M > This problem was addressed in a note that was part of ECO VMS731_RMS-V0200. $ > The complete note can be found at:> > http://ftp.support.compaq.com.au/pub/ecoinfo/ecoinfo/369.htm@ > Here is an extract from that note that addresses your problem: >  Alan, F Thanks for the reply. While the problem wasn't in my use of the /SPOOLE option, this did point me at the overall issue. Namely that since rev E 7.3-1, the support for POSIX in RMS caused things like copy to device C and by extension my problem of opening a device to break. I had not A applied the patches, since I did not have Net connectivity to the D computer yet. I have applied the RMS patch as well as the others andD things run wonderfully - at least I can print the reports to tell me% where I have other things to look at.  Once again, thanks.  Edward   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:05:25 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>! Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Question 8 Message-ID: <m8oj60dr67uu92b7iakcoc9bckosak4j71@4ax.com>  J On 30 Mar 2004 05:28:31 -0800, denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich) wrote:     > E >If there's trouble or maintenance, I vote every time for the ability @ >to bring up a single-node cluster, with no manual intervention. >   >That's why I like quorum disks. >   F Heck, you don't need a quorum disk for that.  In fact, if you've got 5H voting nodes, plus a quorum disk, expected_votes should be 6, and quorumJ should be calculated to be 4.  So a single node should not even be able to" boot with the quorum disk present.  J Conversational booting to adjust expected_votes to 1 works great for thoseB times where you need it... and then be very careful and don't risk partitioning the cluster.    --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:40:17 +0000 (UTC) 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) ! Subject: Re: Quorum Disk Question ( Message-ID: <c4cpg1$akb$1@pcls4.std.com>  ( jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net> writes:  K >On 30 Mar 2004 05:28:31 -0800, denny.rich@swagelok.com (Denny Rich) wrote:   F >>If there's trouble or maintenance, I vote every time for the abilityA >>to bring up a single-node cluster, with no manual intervention.  >>! >>That's why I like quorum disks.  >>  G >Heck, you don't need a quorum disk for that.  In fact, if you've got 5 I >voting nodes, plus a quorum disk, expected_votes should be 6, and quorum K >should be calculated to be 4.  So a single node should not even be able to # >boot with the quorum disk present.   G I think he's talking about the case where the quorum disk has N-1 votes H (where N is the total of the votes of the nodes, excluding quorum votes.# EXPECTED_VOTES=2*N-1, Quorum is N).   G In the case of 5 nodes each with one vote, the quorum disk has 4 votes, D and quorum is 5.  This allows any single node to boot without manualG intervention, as long as it sees the quorum disk.  It has the advantage H of allowing a cluster of as few or as many of the nodes you want withoutE risk of partitioning, and the disadvantages of making the quorum disk H "almost" a single point of failure (I say "almost" since the cluster canF boot/operate without the quorum disk as long as *every* node is up) asI well as the usual disadvantage of sluggish cluster transitions when using H a quorum disk, and every node must have direct access to the quorum disk for this to work.        --   -Mike    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 23:57:40 GMT , From: Wayne Morrison <Wayne.Morrison@hp.com>% Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS 2 Message-ID: <UPnac.2041$G72.1368@news.cpqcorp.net>   John Smith wrote:   % > Is this what you were referring to? 4 > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2674/SP2674PF.PDF > L > It only has DES. If it were updated with 3DES, AES, Blowfish, & Twofish it > might be worthwhile.  D SSL and CDSA support 3DES encryption today, and will support AES in G upcoming versions.  SSL is an optional component of OpenVMS currently,  C but CDSA comes with the base system as of OpenVMS V7.3-1.  See the  H OpenVMS manuals "Open Source Security for OpenVMS", volumes 1 and 2 for & details on SSL and CDSA, respectively.   	Wayne Morrison  	CDSA & Kerberos Project Leader  	OpenVMS Engineering   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:51:53 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> % Subject: Re: Securing files under VMS H Message-ID: <Zupac.1186$JO6.246@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  9 "Wayne Morrison" <Wayne.Morrison@hp.com> wrote in message , news:UPnac.2041$G72.1368@news.cpqcorp.net... > John Smith wrote:  > ' > > Is this what you were referring to? 6 > > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2674/SP2674PF.PDF > > K > > It only has DES. If it were updated with 3DES, AES, Blowfish, & Twofish  it > > might be worthwhile. > E > SSL and CDSA support 3DES encryption today, and will support AES in H > upcoming versions.  SSL is an optional component of OpenVMS currently,D > but CDSA comes with the base system as of OpenVMS V7.3-1.  See theI > OpenVMS manuals "Open Source Security for OpenVMS", volumes 1 and 2 for ( > details on SSL and CDSA, respectively.    
 Thanks Wayne.e   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 13:49:17 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)r Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?3 Message-ID: <hO+PBeonh7hL@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <c4ccf7$pio$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:< > Fine so now you are saying that they are running Oracle on@ > unsupported OS platforms. Remember Oracle do not support their6 > DBMS products on any Free to Download Linux distros. > : > Now why does that sound almost as bad as being in breach > of contract with RedHat ?????m  E    So if they are willing to run the OS without support, why not alsoS     run the DBMS without support.  D    The only question is can they get a legitimate Oracle license forC    an unsupported platform.  If I was Oracle I'd be glad to sell it?    to them.s   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 21:29:25 -0800' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)t Subject: Re: Sun On The Run?= Message-ID: <734da31c.0403302129.1837864a@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c4ccf7$pio$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...e > David Svensson wrote:a > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c495nk$m2q$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...e >   K > >>If that is that case then these people are in breach of their contract. J > >>If you run RedHat AS etc then you have to pay the subscription service; > >>regardless of whether you actually want RedHat support.? > >  > > J > > They are not running RedHat AS, they were under support contracts whenJ > > they ran non-Linux. Now they run Linux installations from distros thatJ > > they download from the net. And, yes they do run for example Oracle onD > > those installations. My point was that many who used to run withH > > enterprise support don't do that anymore, unless it is more critical > > systems. > < > Fine so now you are saying that they are running Oracle on@ > unsupported OS platforms. Remember Oracle do not support their6 > DBMS products on any Free to Download Linux distros.   I know.   : > Now why does that sound almost as bad as being in breach > of contract with RedHat ?????e   This is my point.m  : > I am sure that there are people out there who operate on9 > that basis but I doubt they are of any size or have any 7 > kind of technology audit process. And if they are ando; > do then the indeviduals involved should wake up screaming # > if they know whats good for them.P  F The surprising here is that this is not uncommon at all. It is in factB very common. Lots of system that used to be under heavy enterprise support are not that anymore.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:32:56 -0600v/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>dI Subject: Re: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???y3 Message-ID: <4069CB68.43288F66@applied-synergy.com>   
 Ananth wrote:l >  > Hi,a > F > I need to know programatically the "Host Bus Target Lun" combinationD > for a scsidevice connected to the OVMS system. Is there any system% > service which will do this for me??. >  > Host --> HBA > Bus --> SCSI bus > Target --> Target SCSI idt > Lun ---> Lun id.  > There is no particular system service that does this.  It is a; convention and you need to decode the device name yourself.b  ) For example, consider device name DKB602.   9 The "B" means SCSI bus #2.  "A" would be #1, "C" #3, etc.!   The "6" means SCSI ID 6.   The "2" means SCSI LUN 2.8  & I think the tens digit is always zero.  H The HBA is more or less invisible.  The drivers hide it.  You could makeG a case that the PKx0 device is the HBA, but I don't think this is quite H right.  In any case, the PKx0 device has the same bus ID, so PKB0 is the device associated with DKB602.   I hope this helps.  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com c   Fax: 817-237-3074v   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:35:18 +0200M From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>I Subject: Re: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???F2 Message-ID: <c4clm9$qjm$1@news3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Chris Scheers wrote: > Ananth wrote:f >  >>Hi,  >>F >>I need to know programatically the "Host Bus Target Lun" combinationD >>for a scsidevice connected to the OVMS system. Is there any system% >>service which will do this for me??o >> >>Host --> HBA >>Bus --> SCSI bus >>Target --> Target SCSI idn >>Lun ---> Lun id. >  > @ > There is no particular system service that does this.  It is a= > convention and you need to decode the device name yourself.  > + > For example, consider device name DKB602.  > ; > The "B" means SCSI bus #2.  "A" would be #1, "C" #3, etc.S >  > The "6" means SCSI ID 6. >  > The "2" means SCSI LUN 2.L > ( > I think the tens digit is always zero. > J > The HBA is more or less invisible.  The drivers hide it.  You could makeI > a case that the PKx0 device is the HBA, but I don't think this is quite J > right.  In any case, the PKx0 device has the same bus ID, so PKB0 is the  > device associated with DKB602. >  > I hope this helps.  + Just to be complete let me add a few lines.s  P Normal or real disks will always appear as for instance DKB600, since they have < no LUN, just a SCSI ID. Magtapes will show up as MKB500 etc.  N Logical disks, that is disks that are configured on a raid controller that is P connected to the system by means of a single SCSI cable, may appear like in the N previous example, DKB602. For example on the raid controller you can set up a O raid-5 set, and give that set a unit number like D602 (this is all done on the .O raid controller). D602 will then translate to DKB602 on the SRM console ('boot n prompt') and in OpenVMS.  N Things get more complicated when the raid controller is connected by two SCSI J cables, to two host bus adapters, and the raid controler is configured in O multibus failover mode. Then the D602 is presented twice, once to for instance .P the PKB host bus adapter, and once to the PKC host bus adapter. This is visible N on the 'boot prompt' of the SRM console where the disk will show up as DKB602 G and as DKC602. In this case OpenVMS will construct a new device called _P $1$DKA602. The '1' in $1$ is called the allocation class. It is a number in the M range from 1 to 255 that has to be set in the SYSGEN utility. This $1$DKA602  P device will have two paths, one to the PKB hba, and one to the PKC hba. The 'A' O in $1$DKA is no typo, this may be the case. I don't know what happens if there  J is a single PKA hba in use also, since all SCSI devices will get this $1$ Q prefix. I also don't know what will happen if two raid controllers are connected TJ this way. Most likely in these cases OpenVMS will use the first available  number, like $1$DKB or $1$DKC.  N So even though there is a lot of logic in the numbering of devices, it is not ; always as straight forward as it may appear at first sight.   	 Dirk Munk            > I > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- & > Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. > E > Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com   >   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:32:08 -0500 * From: "Brian Tillman" <tillmabg@yahoo.com>I Subject: RE: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???*' Message-ID: <013271C1.C22236@yahoo.com>e   Dirk Munk wrote:  - > Just to be complete let me add a few lines.a > G > Normal or real disks will always appear as for instance DKB600, since2H > they have no LUN, just a SCSI ID. Magtapes will show up as MKB500 etc.  J Unless they're at SCSI address zero, in which case the extra zeros will be/ suppressed and they'll show up as DKB0 and MKB0e --  
 Brian Tillmana   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:16:24 GMT-& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>I Subject: Re: System serivce to get the Host Bus Target Lun combination???c8 Message-ID: <utoj60pnvtuiiub2fe7i5jjhicht2evd01@4ax.com>  D On 30 Mar 2004 03:10:16 -0800, anantha.prabhu@hp.com (Ananth) wrote:   >Hi, o >eF >Thanks for the reply. I wanted to know the "Host bus target lun" of aG >device. For example I have connected a single tape drive to my system. B >Lets assume that it has been shown as MKA200. Now using this name@ >MKA200, can I get the "Host bus target lun" ids for this deviceB >programmatically. Is there any system service or library routine,? >which will return the "host bus target lun" ids of a connectedu	 >device??m >x >Regards >Ananthk  J Okay, you've told us what you want, how about a little elaboration on why?   In essence, MKA200 should be:w  6 Scsi Bus A (or maybe 0 in numeric sense) - as in MK"A" Scsi ID 2 - as in "2"00d LUN 0 - as in 2"00"e   Is that what you're asking for?_   --- jls_0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:24:25 -0600-@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: TEMPERATURE_VECTOR 6 Message-ID: <406A2BD9.78A7C140@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Lee Mah wrote: > [snip]   Update:   H I Googled some more and found an article referring to SMHANDLER. I tried0 that on a GS160 in our dev. cluster. No results.   Guess we're SOL...   -- - David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems0 http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:45:11 GMTa- From: Brad Clarke <screwthespammers@spam.com>o& Subject: Re: The J F  M e z e i  F A Q8 Message-ID: <6tbk60d4vl0ck0ueqlo1tosfkdre2mmp13@4ax.com>  G On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:28:02 -0500, Tony Reed <trljc@altern.org> wrote:g  : >>In article <8sah60dn131s1pvie4eakpsc4hc1l7h7vt@4ax.com>,1 >> Brad Clarke <screwthespammers@spam.com> wrote:h >>B >>:Too bad they weren't as effective as the folks at Google abuse. >>( >>Don't be coy, tell us the whole story.G There was some idiot posting all kinds of useless garbage in one of theaE home theatre newsgroups via Google. He had posted the same message 11<, times that day, just changing the headers.    H I reported him to the Google abuse folks and his privileges were revoked by the end of that week.  E He has since re-appeared using another e-mail address and posting viar: Google.  I spotted his new address spouting the same crap.  E I replied to his message, listing all of the aliases he posted under,i and he hasn't been back since.  $ I wish it was that easy with others.   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:10:04 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>p& Subject: Re: The J F  M e z e i  F A Q8 Message-ID: <ece2eb7e972748b75fa14206176d0ddb@dizum.com>  . Brad Clarke <screwthespammers@spam.com> wrote:  H >On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:28:02 -0500, Tony Reed <trljc@altern.org> wrote: >t; >>>In article <8sah60dn131s1pvie4eakpsc4hc1l7h7vt@4ax.com>, 2 >>> Brad Clarke <screwthespammers@spam.com> wrote: >>>eC >>>:Too bad they weren't as effective as the folks at Google abuse.e >>>o) >>>Don't be coy, tell us the whole story.nH >There was some idiot posting all kinds of useless garbage in one of theF >home theatre newsgroups via Google. He had posted the same message 11- >times that day, just changing the headers.  s > I >I reported him to the Google abuse folks and his privileges were revoked  >by the end of that week.i >iF >He has since re-appeared using another e-mail address and posting via; >Google.  I spotted his new address spouting the same crap.y > F >I replied to his message, listing all of the aliases he posted under, >and he hasn't been back since.  > % >I wish it was that easy with others.e  P Well, that's the problem with you busybody netkops, you're very capricious about who you go after.o  N Where are you when your assbuddy Mezei is trolling groups under these aliases:   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>K nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>a nobody <nobody@null.dev>) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com>o' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>e muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au>r# snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree> ) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org>h& Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>u Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>a" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>d' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com>a" Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>a' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>t( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org>t' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org> % Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>i! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org> # Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>l  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>r Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org>d$ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>1! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>s  Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org>m$ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>.& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>f% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>o& Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>r' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>e( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>l' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>a% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org>r$ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>n( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>e" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org>n& Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>y) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>t' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>e" Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>i* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org> * Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>  Q <queue@continuum.net>. Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>u   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 05:22:37 GMT'( From: "~ Darrell  Larose ~" <me@here.eh>& Subject: Re: The J F  M e z e i  F A QG Message-ID: <xAsac.1583$oV41.1554@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>i  2 "Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message2 news:ece2eb7e972748b75fa14206176d0ddb@dizum.com...0 > Brad Clarke <screwthespammers@spam.com> wrote: > J > >On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:28:02 -0500, Tony Reed <trljc@altern.org> wrote: > >r= > >>>In article <8sah60dn131s1pvie4eakpsc4hc1l7h7vt@4ax.com>,m4 > >>> Brad Clarke <screwthespammers@spam.com> wrote: > >>>FE > >>>:Too bad they weren't as effective as the folks at Google abuse.t > >>>g+ > >>>Don't be coy, tell us the whole story.vJ > >There was some idiot posting all kinds of useless garbage in one of theH > >home theatre newsgroups via Google. He had posted the same message 11- > >times that day, just changing the headers.s > >cK > >I reported him to the Google abuse folks and his privileges were revoked  > >by the end of that week.l > > H > >He has since re-appeared using another e-mail address and posting via= > >Google.  I spotted his new address spouting the same crap.n > >hH > >I replied to his message, listing all of the aliases he posted under,! > >and he hasn't been back since.@ > >g' > >I wish it was that easy with others.0 >3L > Well, that's the problem with you busybody netkops, you're very capricious aboute > who you go after.r > G > Where are you when your assbuddy Mezei is trolling groups under these  aliases: >oH It's more likely you are posting under those aliases, as you are totally obsessed with JF.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 12:17:02 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>; Subject: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitableo2 Message-ID: <39SdnWKtqPQjSPTdRVn-uQ@mpowercom.net>  L For all those naysayers who doubted that Itaniums would ever make any money,I here's proof from no less than The Register that it ain't necessarily so.g  2 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/51/36665.html0 Intel to pay $225m to settle Itanic patent clashJ Intergraph sued Intel separately for alleged infringement of its so-calledI Clipper patents, which it claimed were violated by Intel's 32-bit PentiumDL processor family. Intel and Intergraph settled that case in April 2002, withL Intel paying out $300m to license the Clipper patents. It also agreed to payJ Intergraph $150m after the PIC ruling, along with the promise of a further $100m if it lost the appeal.  H So to date Intergraph has made nearly a quarter billion dollars from theF sale of Itanium processors.  And they didn't even need a fab to do it.  K Course if I were an Intel stockholder I'd want to know why Intel didn't buytJ out Intergraph years ago.  Think of the return on investment...well, maybe. that's not a good idea at Intel HQ these days.    Jack Peacock    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 15:49:30 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)D? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitable:3 Message-ID: <x1FmyJrmOSWo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <39SdnWKtqPQjSPTdRVn-uQ@mpowercom.net>, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes:   M > Course if I were an Intel stockholder I'd want to know why Intel didn't buy A > out Intergraph years ago.  Think of the return on investment...   D 	ROI?  Pretty good actually.  Assuming you bought INTC a year ago.  ? 	The stock is up 70% since then.  So what was your point again?    				RobT   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:17:40 -0800h* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitablec2 Message-ID: <4vqdnQ2RcZq4k_fdRVn-sw@mpowercom.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:x1FmyJrmOSWo@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > In article <39SdnWKtqPQjSPTdRVn-uQ@mpowercom.net>, "Jack Peacock"e <peacock@simconv.com> writes:  >cK > > Course if I were an Intel stockholder I'd want to know why Intel didn't- buy-C > > out Intergraph years ago.  Think of the return on investment...T >mC > ROI?  Pretty good actually.  Assuming you bought INTC a year ago.g@ > The stock is up 70% since then.  So what was your point again? > L Intergraph's ROI on the Itanium, not Intel.  So far Intergraph has collectedF something in the neighborhood of $225 million on the Itanium alone, onG (claimed) sales of 100K units, and no fab overhead, engineering alreadyML depreciated, no marketing, no distribution, and no channel partners to shareK the profits.  A quick back of the envelope calculation says Intergraph mustSG have made around $2000 per system, including the freebies handed out by)L Intel.  Any computer company that could deliver boxes under those conditionsF would have stratospheric stock prices.  I for one wish I'd bought into Intergraph, not Intel.  L The next obvious question to ask is if an operating system could infringe onH the parallel processing principles enumerated in the Intergraph patents?K And has Intel indemnified H-P in case of a suit?  One sidelight of the caserG is the fact that Dell had a secret agreement with Intel to cover patentvL cases.  It was Dell that lost the case, but Intel had to pay the settlement.  K Stocks are up across the board, not for anything special Intel has done thesJ last year.  I have a utility stock that's up 250% percent from a year ago,L and their financials are steadily declining.  70% isn't all that remarkable.G Sooner or later Intel will have to account for the billions that aren'tuJ seeing a return.  R & D at that level of internal funding can't be ignored forever.  F Actually I'm not all that happy to see patent cases settled like this,K because it's not clear if the Intergraph patent was really valid.  ComputereL related patents from the US PTO these days are a bad joke.  Just a few weeksA ago I found out someone got a patent on a trivial and commonplace H microprocessor circuit I sold commercially 6 years before they had filedG (and yes I'm helping a company being sued for infringement to break theC patent).   Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:31:42 -0400@* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitableu) Message-ID: <406A034B.F559E9D2@istop.com>t   Jack Peacock wrote:aM > Stocks are up across the board, not for anything special Intel has done thel > last year.  K Correct. The problem with monopoly companies like Intel or Mirosoft is thatnM people don't even bother to follow their financials, they just invest becausetH they are told it is a blue stock, safe, secure and very good investment.  L Proof of this is that so many people invested in Microsoft at a time when itJ didn't offer any dividends and at a time where it was known that the ".com. boom" would burst and stocks deflate big time.  M For AMD, the 64 bit 8086 was a huge enough project that it couldn't be hiddenhL under the rug. But for Intel, IA64 can be hidden under the rug because Intel? is big enough that the dead rat under tha carpet won't be seen.a  H If Intel were to spin off IA64 into a separate company, it would then beG unable to hide its financial failure and people would call for it to be  relieved of its misery ASAP.   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 20:31:00 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)r? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitableu3 Message-ID: <gKGPCZdGsM6t@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <4vqdnQ2RcZq4k_fdRVn-sw@mpowercom.net>, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> writes:q: > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message/ > news:x1FmyJrmOSWo@eisner.encompasserve.org...oD >> In article <39SdnWKtqPQjSPTdRVn-uQ@mpowercom.net>, "Jack Peacock" > <peacock@simconv.com> writes:s >>L >> > Course if I were an Intel stockholder I'd want to know why Intel didn't > buytD >> > out Intergraph years ago.  Think of the return on investment... >>D >> ROI?  Pretty good actually.  Assuming you bought INTC a year ago.A >> The stock is up 70% since then.  So what was your point again?E >>   > N > The next obvious question to ask is if an operating system could infringe onJ > the parallel processing principles enumerated in the Intergraph patents?M > And has Intel indemnified H-P in case of a suit?  One sidelight of the caseuI > is the fact that Dell had a secret agreement with Intel to cover patent N > cases.  It was Dell that lost the case, but Intel had to pay the settlement. > M > Stocks are up across the board, not for anything special Intel has done the L > last year.  I have a utility stock that's up 250% percent from a year ago,N > and their financials are steadily declining.  70% isn't all that remarkable.  < 	Not remarkable - never claimed that.  Whole lot better than 	SUNW.  I > Sooner or later Intel will have to account for the billions that aren'toL > seeing a return.  R & D at that level of internal funding can't be ignored
 > forever.  B 	Sure it can - as it is spread out over a number of years and theyB 	cleared $2 billion in profit last quarter.  As discussed in other? 	forums, it won't take a whole lot for Intel to make break evenn 	with Itanium:  k http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&PostNum=2129&Thread=192&roomID=11&entryID=28699r   Topic: IPF business model   , Name: Paul DeMone (pdemone@igs.net) 3/10/04   r  9 AFAIK Intel wrote off IPF development costs as an expenseu6 each year along the way since 1995. There is no $2-$3B7 loan that has to be repaid. It makes money when net IPF 6 revenues exceed ongoing development cost. That happens8 with a run rate of at worst $400m/$1875 or 213,000 units( per year which IMO will occur this year.  5 Each $ of sales above the $350-$400m is basically 94%c profit.s   Let's look ahead:   * 2004: 250k units - $69m operational profit 2005: 400k units - $350m " 2006: 600k units - $725m " 2007: 800k units - $1100m "n  5 If you want to think in terms of paying off the total 5 investment in IPF from day one it looks like it couldt5 be done as quickly as 3 or 4 years from now dependinga4 on what figure you accept for its size. Personally I2 think IPF will grab increasing share of the volume3 server market as it becomes more compelling at each / new process node so the numbers above which aree4 constrained by the size of the classic high end RISC3 niche are a kind of worst case with the upside muchr greater.   ---8  D 	So as Paul points out, it won't be long before IPF returns a profit@ 	and according to his calculations the total payoff could occur @ 	3-4 years from now and he actually anticipates upside with IPF.  H > Actually I'm not all that happy to see patent cases settled like this,M > because it's not clear if the Intergraph patent was really valid.  ComputerrN > related patents from the US PTO these days are a bad joke.  Just a few weeksC > ago I found out someone got a patent on a trivial and commonplaceoJ > microprocessor circuit I sold commercially 6 years before they had filedI > (and yes I'm helping a company being sued for infringement to break the 
 > patent).  @ 	But in Intergraph's case and many others - cost of Intel doing = 	business.  Maybe Intel settles too quickly or Intergraph hasd 	a strong case?   . 	Not too long ago Digital settled out of courtE 	with Intel over patent disputes.  A pretty hefty settlement at that.    				Robo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:46:48 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>? Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Itanium is highly profitablee2 Message-ID: <x7adnbY9hJx3rffdRVn-hA@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:gKGPCZdGsM6t@eisner.encompasserve.org...m   ...e  E > So as Paul points out, it won't be long before IPF returns a profitM@ > and according to his calculations the total payoff could occurA > 3-4 years from now and he actually anticipates upside with IPF.e  J Then again, just 4 years ago IDC projected that Itanic sales would hit $30 billion in 2004.  I Talk is cheap.  Come back when you've got actual profitability to report.tJ Then come back again when the original investment (including interest) hasI been paid off (I don't expect to be alive for that one, but IIRC you're a  bit younger than I am).b   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:38:50 GMTo& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphak= Message-ID: <e1kac.44343$WJ1.8147@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>n   Keith Cayemberg wrote:  Z > Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:<c4bgpt$5j$1@lore.csc.com>... >  >>Don Sykes wrote: >>I >>>This is a sad tale that may lead me to a bright, new career in the dog  >>>walking industry. >> >>H >>OK, I'm not a legal expert, so take my response with the pinch of salt >>it deserves, however...t >> >  > . . .  > . . .  >  > < > And also to specifically answer your question. I have beenD > using/programming-on/teaching OpenVMS since 1981(and using Tops-10D > before that). I have also conducted my own OpenVMS market researchH > since about 1997. Alpha Software was unknown to me until you mentionedG > them in your recent posting. In contrast, your company has been knowndH > to me for a couple years. Ideed, I once made a posting about available6 > graphics solutions for VMS which included your firm.   Thank you for that.a   > a > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3a65a5c8.0309091217.4c05cfe1%40posting.google.com&oe=UTF-8  > A > I have never encountered one instance of confusion between your8C > company and Alpha Software. Indeed, a Google Groups search of thebE > COMP.OS.VMS collection back to 1994 results in ONE match. It's youri > recent posting to COV...  I Thanks again. Statements like this can be very helpful, should this wind u up in court.C Also a big thanks to Google Groups, which saves all these pages (I  1 wonder how many tera bytes of storage they have).u   > r > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=alphasoftware&btnG=Search&meta=group%3Dcomp.os.vms >  > 	 > Cheers!g >   @ Cheers back. I'll raise a pint to you and the cov group tonight!     -- e   Have VMS, Will Travelu Wire paladin, San FranciscoV   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:41:31 GMT & From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphae< Message-ID: <L3kac.44348$WJ1.891@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>   Kenneth Farmer wrote:s  5 > "Don Sykes" <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in messagei: > news:BL5ac.44144$dD1.13226@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com... > C >>Then, this past Friday, I got a 'cease and desist' order from theuJ >>attorneys representing "Alpha Software, Inc." charging me with TrademarkE >>Infringement. They are insisting I give up BOTH names as well as myeI >>domain name! Since their domain name is "AlphaSoftware.com" you'd thinku; >>they'd be happy as clams. But now they want mine as well!-F >>Ironically, they are a Burlington Mass based corporation (probably aJ >>stone's throw from an old DEC office). It's also odd, I think, that evenJ >>though they have nothing to do with the Alpha processor, they managed toC >>coexist with Digital when it trademarked Alpha as their chip set.o >>H >>Since I now have to prepare for a legal battle with a MUCH larger foe,H >>I've been doing a lot of research into Trademarks and their usage. TheI >>biggest factor seems to be confusion in the marketplace. Which leads toa >>  a question for this group. >  > A > http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=searchss&state=9ahsfv.1.1e > ' > Word Mark: ALPHA SOFTWARE CORPORATION N > Goods and Services: IC 009. US 038. G & S: Prerecorded Computer Programs forJ > Use in Business, Scientific and Personal Computers. FIRST USE: 19820320.! > FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19820320e& > Mark Drawing Code: (1) TYPED DRAWING > Serial Number: 73366792m > Filing Date: May 27, 1982e > Current Filing Basis: 1A > Original Filing Basis: 1Al- > Published for Opposition: September 6, 1983" > Registration Number: 1259263& > Registration Date: November 29, 1983L > Owner: (REGISTRANT) Alpha Software Corporation CORPORATION MASSACHUSETTS 6F > New England Executive Park, Suite 400 Burlington MASSACHUSETTS 01803N > (LAST LISTED OWNER) ALPHA SOFTWARE INC CORPORATION NOT PROVIDED 83 CAMBRIDGE, > ST SUITE 3B BURLINGTON MASSACHUSETTS 01803* > Assignment Recorded: ASSIGNMENT RECORDED% > Attorney of Record: EMANUEL D TORTIsF > Disclaimer: No claim is made to the exclusive right to use the words7 > "Software Corporation", apart from the mark as shown.u > Type of Mark: TRADEMARKo > Register: PRINCIPALnD > Affidavit Text: SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR). SECTION 8(10-YR) 20031210. > Renewal: 1ST RENEWAL 20031210- > Live/Dead Indicator: LIVE7 >  >  > Keno  0 Thanks for the info Ken. This may come in handy.     -- :   Have VMS, Will Travels Wire paladin, San Franciscoe   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:59:39 GMTn& From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphaa> Message-ID: <Lkkac.44359$aW1.21420@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>   JF Mezei wrote:o   > Don Sykes wrote: > 7 >>business papers - DBA: "Alpha Software Engineering". o >  > J >>attorneys representing "Alpha Software, Inc." charging me with TrademarkE >>Infringement. They are insisting I give up BOTH names as well as myt >>domain name! >  > P > They claim that they have been in business for 20 years according to their webP > site.  I strongly suspect that they haven't been operating under that name for > that long. > M > I remember when Digital renamed the "beta" name "Alpha" to "AXP" supposedlyaP > due to legal problems, only to adopt "Alpha" officially a few years later. YouF > might want to get some background history from ex-Decies about that.  
 Good idea.   > M > If Digital had struck some deal with these guys to finally get the right to.P > use Alpha, you could argue that since your use of Alpha was under the umbrella? > of Digital, that your use was also covered by same agreement.-  F That's also possible, but as lawyers charge ~$300 US/hr, I hope I can ? avoid that level of detail. Such discovery could take t$i$m$e$.e   > L > You might also want to contact Alpha Processor Inc to find out if they had > problems with these guys.   E As these guys appear to be mostly hardware, the foe might argue that   there was no conflict there.   > L > These guys seem to be just some wintel crap software. You could argue thatP > your trademark not only does not interfere with your market, but that you haveJ > greater "right" to use that name because your business relies on DigitalP > technologies and Digotal has a bona fide trademarks "Alpha" which Digital gave > you permission to use.  I Again, if I were a big company with $$$ and a legal team this could be a o8 good approach. But it's just me and my own good cents ;)     -- h   Have VMS, Will Travela Wire paladin, San Franciscof   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:31:46 GMT & From: Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com>! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphai= Message-ID: <CWjac.44341$YM1.5764@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>    Nic Clews wrote:   > Don Sykes wrote: > H >>This is a sad tale that may lead me to a bright, new career in the dog >>walking industry.a >  >  > H > OK, I'm not a legal expert, so take my response with the pinch of salt > it deserves, however...y > E > Why not try an Internet search for all companies that have Alpha in G > their title, there's 100's in the UK alone, and I expect, as Alpha issE > the first letter of the Greek Alphabet, so are many more in the US. 5 > Probably as many called Omega... You get the point.e  D I already did that and looked through the first 200 or so. Actually ) hese's what I got from the Google search:e3 Results 1 - 30 of about 44,100 for "Alpha Software"c  ? I tried narowing the search to find the "other" Alphas and got:bB Results 1 - 30 of about 29,900 for "Alpha Software" -"Alpha Five" % -"Alpha Four" -"Alpha Software, Inc".s   > E > Anyway, why don't you try informally contacting one of two of theseoH > other "Alpha's", and if they have not had similar notice, then can youI > counter sue that you're being victimized by this company and it's legalCF > representation? Perhaps initially the informal threat of it may coolC > them off (i.e. that the defence will be that no-one else has been 	 > asked).vG I've already spoken to several attorneys and discussed a counter suit, eE but I responded to the "foe" via email and am awaiting a reply first.h? I can't really discuss the other possibe options in this forum.-   > J > On to "confusion", it's in my view virtually impossible to even mis-typeD > a web address of theirs to get to yours, and the names are totally+ > different, and no I don't confuse either.-   Thank you for that.3   > H > So that is my approach. I would also ask for legal proof that your useG > of the words "alpha software" are somehow damaging any other businessm+ > that also use the words "alpha software".e > G > Alpha Tec does digital imaging software, have they had anything filedy > against them?r > J > Alpha Media... Oh, look, Alpha-Omega Software! Alpha CRC... You only get. > to these on about page 12 or 13 of a Google. > E > Incidentally on a 'net search, I see that that this company has had> > complaints for Spam.  G I saw that too. It turns out that this company SELLS spamming software n6 as well! Of course they call it a "mass mailing" tool.   > E > It is also probably verging on being anti competitive, searched ares' > dominated by the company you mention.  >  > Good luck. >    Thanks Nic,      --     Have VMS, Will Traveln Wire paladin, San Franciscor   (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Mar 2004 14:38:42 -08007 From: jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net (Daryl Jones)t! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alpha = Message-ID: <8a646952.0403301438.516e36e9@posting.google.com>    Dear Don Sykes:   E If you paid your $35 dollars for your domain name it is yours to keepmF until you stop paying for it. You could offer to sell them your domainD name for a few tens of thousands of dollars (US). This is done quite> often. As for trademarks, look at the discussion about the VMS5 trademark session which posted some good information.i  
 Good Luck!   Daryl Jonesi  i  l Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message news:<BL5ac.44144$dD1.13226@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...I > This is a sad tale that may lead me to a bright, new career in the dog   > walking industry.a > H > A Digital employee until 1992, I was shocked when I was caught in the I > 2nd round of layoffs and given severance. My reaction was to create my lJ > own consulting business. Naturally enough, I wanted to associate myself G > with the new Alpha processor. So, with Digital's consent, I filed my eJ > business papers - DBA: "Alpha Software Engineering". Eight years later, F > with Digital gone and little hope for Compaq's investment in VMS, I K > threw myself into Java application development and incorporated as well. vG > Wanting to keep my domain name and association with my remaining VMS tF > customers, I incorporated as "Alpha Software Express, LLC". All the J > while using the domain AlphaSE.COM (which stood nicely for either Alpha $ > Software Engineering, or Express). > D > Then, this past Friday, I got a 'cease and desist' order from the K > attorneys representing "Alpha Software, Inc." charging me with Trademark 1F > Infringement. They are insisting I give up BOTH names as well as my J > domain name! Since their domain name is "AlphaSoftware.com" you'd think ; > they'd be happy as clams. But now they want mine as well!uG > Ironically, they are a Burlington Mass based corporation (probably a sK > stone's throw from an old DEC office). It's also odd, I think, that even  K > though they have nothing to do with the Alpha processor, they managed to -C > coexist with Digital when it trademarked Alpha as their chip set.  > I > Since I now have to prepare for a legal battle with a MUCH larger foe, -I > I've been doing a lot of research into Trademarks and their usage. The  J > biggest factor seems to be confusion in the marketplace. Which leads to  >   a question for this group. > C > Has anyone ever confused me (Alpha Software Express) with "Alpha u > Software, Inc." ?  > G > Also, any little-known information you may want to share on this foe s > will be welcomed.  > K > There is another troubling aspect. Was there a curse associated with Ken s > Olsen ? Maybe one that said:H > "You will have great favor & wealth and for 35 years people will love 
 > your works.-K > But beware. As the century nears its end, all favor will be withheld and 4H > your works shall be ridiculed as "legacy" and anyone who continues to H > promote your works shall be forever doomed; or at least marginalized."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:50:41 -0400a* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphan) Message-ID: <4069EBA5.7D626EC4@istop.com>    Don Sykes wrote:H > I've already spoken to several attorneys and discussed a counter suit,G > but I responded to the "foe" via email and am awaiting a reply first.oA > I can't really discuss the other possibe options in this forum.   ) Humm, I can see headlines in newspapers: hJ "President of Alpha Software found dead on sidewalk, crushed by a computerN thrown out of a window" (later on in article, it is explained it was a VAX 780 computer :-)   :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:17:49 GMT 6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphar> Message-ID: <N6oac.44423$lN3.31290@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>  K One caution, an offer to sell your domain name could be expoited as "proof" G that you're cyber-squatting and used as evidence to force the transfer.a Best of luck   -- 2     Andy Bustamante  Remove the ASCII 95s for e-mailm    D "Daryl Jones" <jones.computer.srv@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message7 news:8a646952.0403301438.516e36e9@posting.google.com...: > Dear Don Sykes:e > G > If you paid your $35 dollars for your domain name it is yours to keepdH > until you stop paying for it. You could offer to sell them your domainF > name for a few tens of thousands of dollars (US). This is done quite@ > often. As for trademarks, look at the discussion about the VMS7 > trademark session which posted some good information.3 >a > Good Luck! >M
 > Daryl JonesC >k >s3 > Don Sykes <paladin@mydomain.com> wrote in message : news:<BL5ac.44144$dD1.13226@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com>...J > > This is a sad tale that may lead me to a bright, new career in the dog > > walking industry.c > >sI > > A Digital employee until 1992, I was shocked when I was caught in thesJ > > 2nd round of layoffs and given severance. My reaction was to create myK > > own consulting business. Naturally enough, I wanted to associate myselfiH > > with the new Alpha processor. So, with Digital's consent, I filed myK > > business papers - DBA: "Alpha Software Engineering". Eight years later,cG > > with Digital gone and little hope for Compaq's investment in VMS, IsL > > threw myself into Java application development and incorporated as well.H > > Wanting to keep my domain name and association with my remaining VMSG > > customers, I incorporated as "Alpha Software Express, LLC". All the K > > while using the domain AlphaSE.COM (which stood nicely for either Alpha & > > Software Engineering, or Express). > >-E > > Then, this past Friday, I got a 'cease and desist' order from theoL > > attorneys representing "Alpha Software, Inc." charging me with TrademarkG > > Infringement. They are insisting I give up BOTH names as well as myhK > > domain name! Since their domain name is "AlphaSoftware.com" you'd think<= > > they'd be happy as clams. But now they want mine as well!eH > > Ironically, they are a Burlington Mass based corporation (probably aL > > stone's throw from an old DEC office). It's also odd, I think, that evenL > > though they have nothing to do with the Alpha processor, they managed toE > > coexist with Digital when it trademarked Alpha as their chip set.u > >aJ > > Since I now have to prepare for a legal battle with a MUCH larger foe,J > > I've been doing a lot of research into Trademarks and their usage. TheK > > biggest factor seems to be confusion in the marketplace. Which leads to   > >   a question for this group. > >gD > > Has anyone ever confused me (Alpha Software Express) with "Alpha > > Software, Inc." ?s > >lH > > Also, any little-known information you may want to share on this foe > > will be welcomed.t > >aL > > There is another troubling aspect. Was there a curse associated with Ken  > > Olsen ? Maybe one that said:I > > "You will have great favor & wealth and for 35 years people will love  > > your works. L > > But beware. As the century nears its end, all favor will be withheld andI > > your works shall be ridiculed as "legacy" and anyone who continues tooJ > > promote your works shall be forever doomed; or at least marginalized."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:46:32 -0400.* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphas) Message-ID: <406A06C4.CA10E66B@istop.com>    Andy Bustamante wrote: > M > One caution, an offer to sell your domain name could be expoited as "proof"gI > that you're cyber-squatting and used as evidence to force the transfer.a > Best of luck  K Perhaps you can simply argue that there are plenty of IT companies that useiN "Alpha" and that the IT industry is big enough that your area of operations isK totally distinct from theirs and that you have no indention to ever competef
 against them.   N Since your domain name is less obvious than theirs, I don't think you have any business relinquishing it.  H Perhaps this is just due diligence on their part to ensure that they areJ actively protecting their trademark and all that they expect is a friendlyK agreement between you two just to confirm that they have taken the steps tovN protect their trademark and that it was agreed that your use of the word alpha doesn't interfere with theirs.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:08:20 -0800>3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>l! Subject: Re: [ot?]Trademark Alphat. Message-ID: <406A3624.6020205@Flying-Disk.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   + > Humm, I can see headlines in newspapers: tL > "President of Alpha Software found dead on sidewalk, crushed by a computerP > thrown out of a window" (later on in article, it is explained it was a VAX 780 > computer :-)   I prefer to say:  G "Practice reverse defenistration.  Throw Windows out of your computer!"a   Alan   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:05:14 GMTa! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>o6 Subject: Re: [OT] Outlook 2003 efficiency against spam8 Message-ID: <hqjj60lva5o70pc8c0p801uq7j33gsqcgd@4ax.com>  P Take a look at www.spambayes.org for extra SPAM/Junk mail filtering. It providesN an add-in to Outlook which does some extra filtering putting some mails into aP Junk Suspects folder. It also adds two extra buttons, Recover from SPAM & DeleteJ as SPAM. It apparently learns from your training & at least gives you someP feeling of control when you hit the Delete as SPAM button knowing that in future: similar mail messages will be directly filed in Junk Mail.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azuro   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.178 ************************org>% Lazy R_DYFTO0.sbź.rt;ᨐ{Lڣ=J
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