1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 01 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 240       Contents: 11 pm Phone Call from Encompass  11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call $ Announcing May 11th WRUG LUG meeting Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/60  Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/60 1 Determining who in a cluster has the lock manager : DS10, dual NICs to both LAN and DMZ of a firewall; doable?I Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server  Re: Marillion Comeback
 Re: Memory Re: Newbye quetion Re: Newbye quetion) Re: Normal operating temerpature for ES40 ) Re: Normal operating temerpature for ES40 ) Re: Normal operating temerpature for ES40  Re: OpenVMS DDL ! Re: Oracle statement of direction > Re: running a .com file automatically  in fileview after login Re: strange disk status  Re: strange disk status  Re: strange disk status  Re: strange disk status  Re: strange disk status + Re: System organization preference question + Re: System organization preference question % VMS opportunities HP misses every day   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 01:05:05 GMT * From: tutor <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com>( Subject: 11 pm Phone Call from Encompass8 Message-ID: <ert590dtpc4gtpbel5vh3554k1v0kae93l@4ax.com>  	 Heah John   B      Who at Encompass would I talk to about an 11 pm wake up call?  ? Seems I received a 11:05 pm recorded message from Encompass.... 7 and since your email address hinted at the same org....    Jerrold   % On 28 Apr 2004 10:39:46 -0600, wrote:   e >In article <c6ogsr$tfi$1@news.tu-darmstadt.de>, "Dr. Otto Titze" <titze@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de> writes:  >> Hallo Micheal,  >>  F >> as I just checked, rsh is not available on the remote node. It are I >> HP2524 switches. (The purpose of the whole effort ist, that I want to  L >> read out the MAC-addresses on the different ports of some switches on an ' >> regular basis for security reasons).  > C >In that case, you may wish to investigate the possibility of using  >SNMP instead. > - >$ MULTINET SHOW /SNMP will work on Multinet.  > D >You could write your own SNMP reader if you have to.  I've done so. > 
 >	John Briggs    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 01:06:46 GMT * From: tutor <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com>( Subject: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call8 Message-ID: <4ut590dr2qckon2pa5b76cptof4h99pvph@4ax.com>   Ok, <    Did anyone else receive a call last night from ENCOMPASS?  9 I received a 11:05 pm recorded message from Encompass....   B Not sure how they got my number. I've never paid for membership... Oh wait.+ Maybe that's why they call AFTER 11 pm !!!!   = If you have paid membership, they call during NORMAL BUSINESS 	 hours????      Jerrold    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:18:11 GMT / From: "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com> - Subject: Announcing May 11th WRUG LUG meeting - Message-ID: <40928A4F.ABBE1A40@ix.netcom.com>    . ,                  Announcing May 11th Meeting-                   Western Reserve Users Group .                  Local User Group of Encompass  1               (usual time and ALMOST usual place)   7 If you are going to attend the LUG meeting on May 11th, 9 please RSVP to this message or to dtrwiz at ix dot netcom < dat com   We would like to get an estimate of the number who; will attend so we can have the appropriate number of slices 9 of pizza.  Please RSVP by noon on the day of the meeting.    Topic: Oracle 9i RAC on Itanium   >    Cathy Pappas will be presenting an overview of HP's Itanium3    product line and how it supports Oracle's 9i RAC >    environment.  The presentation will include a demonstration9    of Oracle 9i RAC on an Itanium cluster running Red Hat ?    Advanced Server.  The demonstration will highlight Oracle 9i ?    RAC features such as transparent application failover (TAF), $    parallel query, and cache fusion.  + Speaker: Cathy Pappas, HP, Cleveland Office   1    Cathy Pappas has been a Solutions Architect at <    HP/Compaq/Digital for 20 years.  During that time she has4    been focused on a large number of accounts in the?    Cleveland/Akron area.  From a technology perspective she has <    spent the majority of her time with a variety of database8    products and programming tools and is responsible for9    demonstrating Oracle 9i RAC on HP products in the Ohio     Valley area.   # Topic:  Oracle 10g - Grid Computing   9    Experts predict that computer technology will become a 8    utility.  Like electricity, consumers will be able to7    harness the considerable processing power of servers >    connected in a grid.  Grid computing is the coordinated use9    of a large number of servers and storage acting as one 6    computer, often using low-cost modular components. <    Businesses no longer need to worry about spikes in demand<    and the cost of maintaining excess capacity.  Learn about>    Oracle Database 10g, the industry's first database designed    for grid computing.  2 Speaker: Jack Crial, Oracle Corporation, Cleveland  4    Jack Crail is a Sr. Solutions Architect at Oracle>    Corporation.  For the last nine years, Jack has worked with:    Oracle customers in Northern Ohio who have successfully?    implemented leading edge Oracle technology.  Jack has worked <    directly with many Cleveland area customers who are using>    Oracle Real Applications Clusters on HP hardware to provide8    high availability and scalability of mission-critical?    applications.  Jack has presented and demonstrated the value :    of Oracle RAC to diverse companies in multiple lines of#    business throughout the country.    Date:     Tuesday, May 11, 2004 Time:     4:00 to 7:00 PM 	 Location:     ParK Center Plaza II     Lower Level conference room    6150 Oak Tree Blvd.    Independence, OH 44131 ;    (Call Rich's cell phone at 412-999-6427 if you get lost)  Map:   http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&ed=fHlg.Op_0Tp8cAk9FEnXFaJqwLrgHNEVHj2ZCgpRheC5zhYBRpY17CQ9e.8MEG4Q_RbNxpVrgvTpiJ6tD1A.32U6&csz=Independence,+OH+44131-6927&country=us&cs=9&name=&desc=&poititle=&poi=&uz=44131&ds=n&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&mag=9&ne   Directions: :    From the area of the interchange of I-480 and I-77, go *    south and take the Rockside Road exit.  =    At the bottom of the ramp, turn right (west) on Rockside.   ;    Go west two blocks (second light); turn left (south) on      Oak Tree Blvd.     See the LUG's web page at   %    http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/wrug/   & Future LUG meetings are scheduled for:      July 13, 2004    September 14, 2004     November 8, 2004    See you May 11th.  Joe H. Gallagher WRUG LUG Chair dtrwiz at ix dot netcom dot com    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:09:24 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/60$ Message-ID: <c6u894$d6k$1@online.de>  1 In article <c6t1fm$3hi$1@lore.csc.com>, Nic Clews # <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> writes:    L > > > If the machine is halting rather than crashing, it won't restart.  TryH > > > entering "cont" at the >>> prompt to see if is just halting from a > > > "break". > > * > > OK; is there any way to automate this? > F > There is a difference between the BOOT and RESTART options (ignoring > HALT). > J > RESTART checks a "bit" to see if a RESTART condition is valid. This goesJ > back to the days of 11/750's and battery backed memory, the theory beingF > that the contents of main memory are good enough to just do a "CONT"I > rather than a full reboot. Having said that I'm not sure how it applies  > on a 4000 class VAX.  C HALT is set to 1, which is RESTART.  In this case, it doesn't have  I anything to do with battery-based memory, but for example will cause the  D system to boot after a crash, which has happened (and after a power 6 outage, which HALT=2 or BOOT will also do, of course).   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:12:33 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: Re: crash of VAXstation 4000/60$ Message-ID: <c6u8f1$d6k$2@online.de>  8 In article <q4m49017ogp7995adt44lm7429rte76sl5@4ax.com>, wannabe@fish.org writes:    ? > If you don't have constant access to OPA0, you might want to  E > change the "HALT" to 2.  In the event of a crash, the machine would * > attempt to reboot rather than restart.    H Actually, I changed it from BOOT to RESTART to increase the probability  of it booting.  :-(   E > What I'm saying is, it is possible the machine is halting during an G > attempted restart from a crash due to a hardware problem, in addition D > to the possibility of  the halt being caused by a spurious "break" > mentioned earlier.  H I don't think a spurious break is the problem; the console terminal had I been switched off for a long time.  (I used to keep them on, at least on  H VAX, since switching them off (or on) would cause a break, but for some  reason that stopped happening.   G > Note that the "HALT" in the 4000/60 world equates to "auto_action" in  > the Alpha world.  H Right.  Some VAXes use the same keywords as ALPHA (boot, restart, halt)  and some use numbers (2, 1, 3).    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 17:50:50 -0700/ From: rcyoung@aliconsultants.com (Robert Young) : Subject: Determining who in a cluster has the lock manager= Message-ID: <91437ce6.0404301650.62079150@posting.google.com>   D Some databases on VMS utilize the lock manager in a cluster setting.C If the manager migrates to a "less powerful" node, the database can # suffer severe performance problems.   C I am wondering  how to tell which node is the "current home" of the C cluster lock manager so that if performance problems arise, one can E readily "eliminate" the lock manager migration issue from the list of   possible sources of the problem.  D I believe that by setting PE1 in sysgen to "0" it will "prevent" theE manager from migrating, but is there another way to tell "where it is . now" if migration is allowed, or has occurred?   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 14:46:51 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)C Subject: DS10, dual NICs to both LAN and DMZ of a firewall; doable? = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0404301346.5a006b96@posting.google.com>   A We have an installed DS10 (VMS V7.3-2, TCPIP V5.4) running custom E apps.  Its on a NAT'ed LAN behind a firewall that also provides a DMZ A port.  All access to the Alpha is from the LAN (or effectively so C through VPN tunnels) except for inbound/outbound SMTP; the Alpha is F the public email server for the domain and has a corresponding hole in the firewall for port 25 to it.   F We need to run a webserver (HPSWS) providing public, but fairly staticE info (no CGI, PHP, yadayada) on the Alpha.  We can open up port 80 on @ the firewall and direct it to the current LAN port on the Alpha,B obviously, and we've had zero problems doing so at other locations> with the same firewall box; no security issues.  However I was@ wondering if there is any way (or any benefit) to use the secondF ethernet port with an available public address hooked up to the DMZ onC the firewall.  The DS10 would NOT be set up as a router between the  two interfaces.   F I'm not sure this can work, since essentially you'd have two differentC routing tables, and/or the need to tell services to use a different F default route for one interface than for the other.  I'm still readingE through the TCPIP V5.4 docs, but I don't think that the capability is F available.  We can tell each of the other services (SMTP, Telnet, etc)B to only accept connections on the primary interface, while leavingD HPSWS working on both with the set service/address command, though IB dislike doing that with the 'standard' services.  Alternatively weE could tell the standard services to reject connections from addresses F outside the LAN and VPN connected sites, while HPSWS accepts them all,/ but the routing issues would remain either way.   A So I don't think its possible.  But just in case I'm wrong, input  would be appreciated.    Rich Jordan  CCS    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:16:26 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> R Subject: Re: How can I determine which version of DecNet is installed on my server= Message-ID: <eCxkc.1478$Wy7.14689525@news-text.cableinet.net>   K This might be useful - it checks a lot of other stuff as well as the DECnet  version:     $    !G $    ! Sort out hardware architecture type for hardware specific tests.  $    !& $    arch_type = f$getsyi("arch_type")% $    this_is_vax = (arch_type .eq. 1) % $    this_is_axp = (arch_type .eq. 2) % $    this_is_ipf = (arch_type .eq. 3) = $    if .not. (this_is_vax .or. this_is_axp .or. this_is_ipf) 	 $    then I $       say "*** Hardware architecture type ''arch_type' not supported by  this procedure ***" 
 $    endif. $    if this_is_vax then this_archname = "VAX". $    if this_is_axp then this_archname = "AXP". $    if this_is_ipf then this_archname = "IPF" $    !? $    !  Sort out VMS version number for version specific tests.  $    !H $    this_vmsbanner = f$edit(f$getsyi("version"),"trim,compress,upcase")@ $    line = f$extract(1,f$length(this_vmsbanner),this_vmsbanner)  $    maj = f$element(0,".",line), $    if f$locate("-",maj) .ne. f$length(maj)" $    then     ! Upgrade field test$ $       line = f$element(1,"-",line). $       upd = f$integer(f$element(1,".",line)). $       ver = f$integer(f$element(0,".",line))* $       vmsver = f$fao("!2ZL!ZL0",ver,upd)	 $    else $ $       line = f$element(1,".",line), $       upd = f$integer(f$extract(0,1,line))" $       line = f$extract(2,1,line)4 $       if f$type(line) .eqs. "string" then line = 0 $       ver = f$integer(maj) $       min = f$integer(line) E $       if f$locate(".",this_vmsbanner) .ne. f$length(this_vmsbanner) - $       then    ! Released (V) or Update (/V) 3 $          vmsver = f$fao("!2ZL!ZL!ZL",ver,upd,min) , $       else    ! Upgrade field test version" $          vmsver = this_vmsbannerI $          say "*** VMS version ''vmsver' not supported by this procedure  ***"
 $       endif 
 $    endif* $    vmsver = f$edit(vmsver,"trim,upcase")( $    this_vmsversion = f$integer(vmsver) $    !3 $    if this_is_vax .and. this_vmsversion .lt. 0552 	 $    then " $       this_opsysname = "VAX/VMS"	 $    else 6 $       if this_is_axp .and. this_vmsversion .ge. 0620 $       then+ $          this_opsysname = "OpenVMS Alpha"  $       else9 $          if this_is_ipf .and. this_vmsversion .ge. 0800  $          then - $             this_opsysname = "OpenVMS IA64"  $          else 9 $             this_opsysname = "OpenVMS ''this_archname'"  $          endif
 $       endif 
 $    endif $    !J $    ! Sort out DECnet version number and type (Phase IV, IVext or V etc.) $    !4 $    this_decnetversion = f$getsyi("decnet_version")@ $    this_is_phase4 = (%x'this_decnetversion'/%x10000 .eq. %x04)C $    this_is_phase4ext = (%x'this_decnetversion'/%x100 .eq. %x0402) @ $    this_is_phase5 = (%x'this_decnetversion'/%x10000 .eq. %x05)A $    if this_is_phase4 then this_decnetbanner = "DECnet Phase IV" C $    if this_is_phase4ext then this_decnetbanner = "DECnet Phase IV  Extensions"  $    if this_is_phase5	 $    then $ $       if this_vmsversion .lt. 0710 $       then5 $          this_decnetbanner = "DECnet/OSI (Phase V)"  $       else6 $          this_decnetbanner = "DECnet-Plus (Phase V)"
 $       endif 
 $    endif $    !E $    ! Sort out UCX / TCPIP product name post OpenVMS V7.2 / TCPIP V5  $    !! $    if this_vmsversion .ge. 0720 	 $    then % $       this_tcpip_prodname = "TCPIP" 	 $    else # $       this_tcpip_prodname = "UCX" 
 $    endif $    !9 $    ! Determine which version of Motif we have (if any).  $    !4 $    file1 = "sys$update:decw$get_image_version.com") $    file2 = "sys$share:decw$xlibshr.exe" C $    if (f$search(file1) .nes. "") .and. (f$search(file2) .nes. "") 	 $    then 3 $       define/job sys$scratch sys$sysroot:[000000] / $       @'file1' 'file2' tmp_decw_xlibshr_ident   $       deassign/job sys$scratch  $       image_id = f$element(1,"1 ",f$edit(tmp_decw_xlibshr_ident,"compress,trim")) 3 $       delete/symbol/global tmp_decw_xlibshr_ident 0 $       motif_majver = f$element(0,"-",image_id)0 $       motif_subver = f$element(1,"-",image_id)I $       motif_minver = f$extract(0,f$length(motif_subver)-6,motif_subver) I $       motif_subver = f$extract(f$length(motif_subver)-6,6,motif_subver)   $       if motif_minver .eqs. "" $       then $          motif_minver = "0" G $          this_motifbanner = "(with DECwindows/Motif ''motif_majver')"  $       else5 $          this_motifbanner = "(with DECwindows/Motif ! ''motif_majver'-''motif_minver')" 
 $       endif 8 $       if motif_subver .eqs. "" then motif_subver = "0"B $       ident_line = motif_majver - "V" - "T" - "." + motif_minver6 $       this_motifversion = f$integer("''ident_line'"); $       this_motifsubversion = f$integer("''motif_subver'") 	 $    else  $       this_motifversion = 0   $       this_motifsubversion = 07 $       this_motifbanner = "(without DECwindows/Motif)" 
 $    endif $    !B $    say "... Writing version test results to logical name table." $    !9 $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_version_test_flag "DONE" = $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_is_vax "''this_is_vax'" = $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_is_axp "''this_is_axp'" = $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_is_ipf "''this_is_ipf'" A $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_archname "''this_archname'" E $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_vmsversion "''this_vmsversion'" C $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_vmsbanner "''this_vmsbanner'" C $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_opsysname "''this_opsysname'" K $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_decnetversion "''this_decnetversion'" C $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_is_phase4 "''this_is_phase4'" I $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_is_phase4ext "''this_is_phase4ext'" C $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_is_phase5 "''this_is_phase5'" I $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_decnetbanner "''this_decnetbanner'" 4 $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_tcpip_prodname "''this_tcpip_prodname'"I $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_motifversion "''this_motifversion'" 5 $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_motifsubversion  "''this_motifsubversion'" G $    define/system/exec/nolog xd_this_motifbanner "''this_motifbanner'"    --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks. 8 "Vic Mendham" <c00per11242001@yahoo.ca> wrote in message7 news:f7a73cb1.0404271116.3f798bf9@posting.google.com... + > We are auditing our servers for software. C > I have over 200 VAX & Alpha servers, and I need to find out which - > version of Decnet is running on my servers.  > G > Some servers I can do a license list and don't see decnet, but do see # > dvnetend, so don't have dvnetend.  > D > I am told if I do a mc ncl show address and it works, I am running- > Decnet Phase V, what about Phase IV or OSI?  >  > c00per11242001@yahoo.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 03:50:09 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Marillion Comeback 9 Message-ID: <c6uvoi$evpa2$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    VAXman- wrote: > I > If you like Marillion and other progressive rock, try out Auralmoon.com J > internet radio.  You might even hear my DECtalk speak if you listen long	 > enough.  >   C I honestly don't know whether I like Marillion or not, as I've not  G really heard them much, but I do like what I see and hear on Auralmoon   so far.   ! Thanks very much for the pointer.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:10:51 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk>  Subject: Re: Memory = Message-ID: <%wxkc.1470$Jw7.14642242@news-text.cableinet.net>   H Depends where you are located. You could try MIT Limited based in the UK (www.mitlimited.com).    --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 16:55:16 -0700* From: Dziurlaj@hotmail.com (John Dziurlaj) Subject: Re: Newbye quetion = Message-ID: <3df57f9c.0404301555.6fb835c0@posting.google.com>   ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40904FE4.EBE54270@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...! > jose luis fernandez diaz wrote:  > >  > > Hi,  > > 9 > > Can anyone give a the definition and the relation of:  > > 	 > > - OSF 
 > > - OpenVMS  > > - Tru64  > > - Alpha  >  > Homework question? > : > Well, at least OpenVMS is mentioned. That's some hope...> I am not so sure on how much hope we have anymore. The word inD academia is that Linux is *IT*. Any and all other operating systems,D like BSD and VMS are shunned, for fear that if other CS majors writeA software for anything else, that resources will become to watered D down, and thus hurt the great *LINUX* superiority. Most believe thatE this stuff is old hat. Sad. Jos if you are really interested in VMS, > go on eBay and buy a $25 Alpha mobo and processor, and get yer  hobbyist license. We need it....   Nos Vamos!   
 John Dziurlaj  -------------------  Univ. of Akron   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 04:40:42 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> Subject: Re: Newbye quetion 9 Message-ID: <c6v2nc$g5bnq$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    John Dziurlaj wrote: > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40904FE4.EBE54270@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > ! >>jose luis fernandez diaz wrote:  >> >>>Hi, >>> 8 >>>Can anyone give a the definition and the relation of: >>>  >>>- OSF >>>- OpenVMS
 >>>- Tru64
 >>>- Alpha >> >>Homework question? >>: >>Well, at least OpenVMS is mentioned. That's some hope... > @ > I am not so sure on how much hope we have anymore. The word inF > academia is that Linux is *IT*. Any and all other operating systems,F > like BSD and VMS are shunned, for fear that if other CS majors writeC > software for anything else, that resources will become to watered F > down, and thus hurt the great *LINUX* superiority. Most believe thatG > this stuff is old hat. Sad. Jos if you are really interested in VMS, @ > go on eBay and buy a $25 Alpha mobo and processor, and get yer" > hobbyist license. We need it.... >   . That reminds me of a sig. I saw the other day:  * One of the biggest obstacles to the future) of computing is C.  C is the last attempt % of the high priesthood to control the * computing business.  It's like the scribes& and the Pharisees who did not want the" masses to learn to read and write.*                         -- Jerry Pournelle   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:22:01 -0500 * From: "Jim" <jim.nospam.gould@charter.net>2 Subject: Re: Normal operating temerpature for ES40- Message-ID: <c6u90s$ejk$1@news.doit.wisc.edu>   L I ran this on my ES40 and received the following output.  This machine is inH an air conditioned room and has been running for about 5 years under theL same conditions.  I have never had a hardware issue with this box except for a failed internal scsi drive.   + -------------------------------------------    ES40 CPU Temperature Monitor  + -------------------------------------------   I 2004-04-30 14:19 CPU SENSOR 00 temperature 80.60 Farenheit WARNING - HIGH  TEMPERATURE   I 2004-04-30 14:19 CPU SENSOR 01 temperature 96.80 Farenheit WARNING - HIGH  TEMPERATURE   : 2004-04-30 14:19 CPU SENSOR 02 temperature 78.80 Farenheit  : 2004-04-30 14:19 CPU SENSOR 03 temperature 75.20 Farenheit  : 2004-04-30 14:19 INT SENSOR 04 temperature 77.00 Farenheit  : 2004-04-30 14:19 INT SENSOR 05 temperature 73.40 Farenheit  : 2004-04-30 14:19 INT SENSOR 06 temperature 75.20 Farenheit      # Your numbers look better than mine!   5 "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message + news:04043009103323@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... L > I have an AlphaServer ES40 (4x667, 3-GB) and was wondering what the normal$ > internal operating temperature is. > J > I have been using the CPU_TEMPERATURE.COM posted in openvms.org and have beenC > seeing ranges between 71 and 84 (I modified the procedure a bit).  >  > SENSOR_0" = "82.40 > SENSOR_1" = "82.40 > SENSOR_2" = "84.20 > SENSOR_3" = "71.60 > SENSOR_4" = "78.80 > SENSOR_5" = "73.40 > SENSOR_6" = "73.40 >  > J > The other day these values were between 87 and 93.  That is when some of our F > other servers started to have heat stroke - our A/C unit went out... >  > K > Anyone else running this process that would care to share the temperature  range  > they normally experience?  >  > 0 > I find the above values too high for my taste. >  > TIA  >  >  >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:31:34 -0500 * From: "Jim" <jim.nospam.gould@charter.net>2 Subject: Re: Normal operating temerpature for ES40- Message-ID: <c6u9io$erd$1@news.doit.wisc.edu>   I I have another question.  Does this functionality exist for the ES47?  We ? are replacing our ES40's.  I haven't finished going through the B documentation for the 47 yet so if I find this out I will post it.   Thanks  5 "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message + news:04043009103323@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... L > I have an AlphaServer ES40 (4x667, 3-GB) and was wondering what the normal$ > internal operating temperature is. > J > I have been using the CPU_TEMPERATURE.COM posted in openvms.org and have beenC > seeing ranges between 71 and 84 (I modified the procedure a bit).  >  > SENSOR_0" = "82.40 > SENSOR_1" = "82.40 > SENSOR_2" = "84.20 > SENSOR_3" = "71.60 > SENSOR_4" = "78.80 > SENSOR_5" = "73.40 > SENSOR_6" = "73.40 >  > J > The other day these values were between 87 and 93.  That is when some of our F > other servers started to have heat stroke - our A/C unit went out... >  > K > Anyone else running this process that would care to share the temperature  range  > they normally experience?  >  > 0 > I find the above values too high for my taste. >  > TIA  >  >  >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 17:08:52 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)2 Subject: Re: Normal operating temerpature for ES401 Message-ID: <04043017085246@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    I had a number of problem:  L Improper calibration of the A/C - it was 8 degrees off; meaning that it read 80 and it was actually 88.  < A/C kick in was set to 80 and it should have been set to 74.  M The failure of A/C units that provided cooling for the work areas surrounding M the datacenter.  The air surrounding the datacenter heated the datacenter and A the datacenter A/C units could not maintain a proper environment.   O In addition the server racks are perpendicular to the air flow - and the server I racks are 20" from the back wall.  So improper air-flow!  In a major way.   N Since the ES40 is a front-back air-flow we put a lower in front of the cabinetM and got a few degrees down.  However when we placed the blower in the rear of H the cabinet to cycle the heated (stagnant) air away from the cabinet the# temperature went down even further.   M Since we have repaired the A/C problems mentioned above we are now a bit more , happy with the following temperature ranges:   SENSOR_0 = 78.80   SENSOR_1 = 78.80   SENSOR_2 = 80.60   SENSOR_3 = 69.80   SENSOR_4 = 75.20   SENSOR_5 = 69.80   SENSOR_6 = 71.60        " Jim [jim.nospam.gould@charter.net]N > I ran this on my ES40 and received the following output.  This machine is inJ > an air conditioned room and has been running for about 5 years under theN > same conditions.  I have never had a hardware issue with this box except for > a failed internal scsi drive.  > - > -------------------------------------------  >  > ES40 CPU Temperature Monitor > - > -------------------------------------------  > K > 2004-04-30 14:19 CPU SENSOR 00 temperature 80.60 Farenheit WARNING - HIGH 
 > TEMPERATURE  > K > 2004-04-30 14:19 CPU SENSOR 01 temperature 96.80 Farenheit WARNING - HIGH 
 > TEMPERATURE  > < > 2004-04-30 14:19 CPU SENSOR 02 temperature 78.80 Farenheit > < > 2004-04-30 14:19 CPU SENSOR 03 temperature 75.20 Farenheit > < > 2004-04-30 14:19 INT SENSOR 04 temperature 77.00 Farenheit > < > 2004-04-30 14:19 INT SENSOR 05 temperature 73.40 Farenheit > < > 2004-04-30 14:19 INT SENSOR 06 temperature 75.20 Farenheit > % > Your numbers look better than mine!      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:26:32 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS DDL8 Message-ID: <ss55909tduiu2qlj9k0c4ck2g1kk0p61oj@4ax.com>  ? On 29 Apr 2004 19:25:37 -0700, lsk55@hotmail.com (Scott) wrote:   B >Does anyone know where I can find a manual on DDL for OpenVMS?  IG >can't seem to find it anywhere.  Even HP claims they can't dig one up. $ > I'd appreciate any clues!  Thanks.  L To me, that refers to the language used in the CDD repository and referencedB by the likes of Fortran using DICTIONARY statements ?  Stuff like:   DEFINE RECORD my_record./     DESCRIPTION /* my_record is just for me */.      my_record STRUCTURE.,          link   DATATYPE IS SIGNED LONGWORD.6          desc  DATATYPE IS TEXT SIZE IS 20 CHARACTERS.(          sub    COPY FROM my_sub_record.     END STRUCTURE. END RECORD.   J perhaps ?  We wrote our own replacement when migrating to Alpha as the CDDK stuff was late, performance was terrible at compile-time on Vax anyway, and B the language did not support parameter values (eg the 20 above wasK hard-coded).  Later, DEC/Compaq released SDL which would have been the most  elegant replacement.  K We probably have some manuals on shelves.  What information are you after ?    --  % When Mozart was my age, he was dead.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 18:04:14 -0700/ From: rcyoung@aliconsultants.com (Robert Young) * Subject: Re: Oracle statement of direction= Message-ID: <91437ce6.0404301704.69f0d7cf@posting.google.com>    Norm:   E We would love to attend the boot camp, but other comitments are going @ to lock us into Atlanta during this period.  Is there any way ofE getting a copy of the Rdb & the SGA API you will be showing at Nashua D so we can "play" with it here? We have the VMS 8.1 on Itanium rx2600 server.    Dr. Robert Young ALI Database Consultants  @ > In fact, the port of Rdb to Itanium is well underway.  We are @ > soliciting volunteers who will bring application code and Rdb C > databases to the OpenVMS Boot Camp in Nashua.  We will work with  > > them to port their code to Itanium processors at that event. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 01:01:48 GMT * From: tutor <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com>G Subject: Re: running a .com file automatically  in fileview after login 8 Message-ID: <ukt59099nk58d2s9ungi7oh38mu4eqqqfr@4ax.com>  $ Is the following a good idea ...????       $ run authorize    modify:   LGICMD     to be his/her login command    Seems like a good idea> (also, consider a "captured" account to take away control c,y)   Jerrold   % On 30 Apr 2004 07:46:27 -0600, wrote:   i >In article <7041fc41.0404300214.3c181f26@posting.google.com>, pulley_p@hotmail.com (Phil Pulley) writes:  >> Hi  >>  ( >> Can anyone help with the following... >>  E >> I am using VMS 7.2-1 DecWindows classic (i.e not CDE) on an Alpha.  >>   > A >   Have you tried putting a command in sys$login:decw$login.com?  > I >   If the application assumes a character-cell inerface that command can % >   be create/terminal <application>.  > F >   You can also copy command files from vue$library, modify them, and2 >   setup menu items to use the modified copies.   > I >   When FileView runs DCL command files it recognizes FileView specific  J >   features that are documented in one of the VMS specific X11 manuals.  I >   These features give you Tk-like abilities to pop up windows and such.VF >   You can find many examples of these in vue$library.  Removing themF >   should be fairly easy snce they have names like vue$inquire_symbolB >   and vue$popup_confirm (FileView is sys$system:vue$master.exe).   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:27:09 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: strange disk status1 Message-ID: <newscache$1m00xh$lux1$1@news.sil.at>o  w In article <c6u949$d6k$4@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:aB >In article <4092666F.C8F56BA5@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin& ><maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:  >o4 >> then try DISMOUNT/ABORT/FORCE should get it done.  ! Try also DISMOUNT/OVERRIDE=CHECKSi   -- u Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 20:09:48 GMT-1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>-  Subject: Re: strange disk status2 Message-ID: <4092B284.DB6B94A0@firstdbasource.com>  6 I knew there was another switch I was forgetting... :)   Michael.    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  y > In article <c6u949$d6k$4@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:eD > >In article <4092666F.C8F56BA5@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin' > ><maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:2 > > 6 > >> then try DISMOUNT/ABORT/FORCE should get it done. >e# > Try also DISMOUNT/OVERRIDE=CHECKS  >t > -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER>' > Network and OpenVMS system specialistk > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:18:15 +0000 (UTC)oP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: strange disk status$ Message-ID: <c6u8pn$d6k$3@online.de>  @ In article <40922f1b$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>, rok@nuk.uni-lj.si writes:  . > >It seems to me that this is not consistent. > / >  In this situation reboot is the only option.- > 2 >  To avoid to get into similar mess, you have to:; > - make certain you DISMOUNT/CLUSTER all node's volumes on 
 >   shutdown;e  8 OK, but the situation was caused by an unexpected crash.  ? > - on any remaining node chech periodically which cluster node @ >   dissapears from cluster and DISMOUNT/ABORT all it's volumes;  D Why periodically---you mean while it is in mount verify and not yet 
 timed out?  F > - enlarge parameter SHADOW_MBR_TMO to two periods mentioned above toA >   prevent DSAs enter mount verification and timeout eventually.-  ; I have to admit I don't see right away how this would help.m   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:23:53 +0000 (UTC)UP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: strange disk status$ Message-ID: <c6u949$d6k$4@online.de>  A In article <4092666F.C8F56BA5@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin % <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes:    3 > then try DISMOUNT/ABORT/FORCE should get it done.   ' SYSMAN> do dism/abort/force $44$dka300:a2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEEL3 %DISM-W-CANNOTDMT, $44$DKA300: cannot be dismountede, %SYSTEM-F-DEVNOTMOUNT, device is not mounted2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIA, %SYSTEM-F-DEVNOTMOUNT, device is not mounted2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAH' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device namec% SYSMAN> do dism/abort/force disk$datae2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEEL' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device namea2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIA' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device name 2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAH- %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availablep# SYSMAN> do dism/abort/force dsa530:y2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEEL' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device namei2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIA' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device namer2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAH' %SYSTEM-F-IVDEVNAM, invalid device namea  
 HELP says:  B      The device specified must be a member of a shadow set that is5      mounted on the node where the command is issued.   G The problem is that the physical disk is not shown as a "shadow member"rB on any node, though it is shown as a "remote shadow member" on two nodes. a   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 30 Apr 04 23:36:32 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.sio  Subject: Re: strange disk status& Message-ID: <4092e304$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  R helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:@ >> - on any remaining node chech periodically which cluster nodeA >>   dissapears from cluster and DISMOUNT/ABORT all it's volumes;g >hE >Why periodically---you mean while it is in mount verify and not yet : >timed out?O  
  Exactely.  G >> - enlarge parameter SHADOW_MBR_TMO to two periods mentioned above toCB >>   prevent DSAs enter mount verification and timeout eventually. >u< >I have to admit I don't see right away how this would help.  A  You don't want to check for this threat once a minute or do you?m   Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461o; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 421 5464d Slovenia   ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2004 12:36:28 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)y4 Subject: Re: System organization preference question3 Message-ID: <fS0bp5BxB61v@eisner.encompasserve.org>c  d In article <b4o290ptg2jpuvheehhmasjkb7kcfhc2tl@4ax.com>, Jack Fortune <jfortune@uoregon.edu> writes: >  > Greetings all, > F > I'm two months into a new job managing an existing VMSCluster; in myF > previous position I also managed a VMSCluster. I'm trying to resolveB > some fundamental differences between how things have been set up( > differently in these two environments.  F    I log into the SYSTEM account for occaisonal system management, but@    mostly I have enough power in my own account to do it.  I do F    have background jobs both created detached during boot and in batch,    queues, running under the SYSTEM account.  >    I change only those .com files in sys$startup (and therefor@    sys$manager) that DEC says I should and tend not to put a lot@    of other files there unless they are really system management9    specific.  When I do put files there, including addingw;    subdirectories, I pay strict attention to sys$common vs.-    sys$specific.    0   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 04:17:04 +0200l* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>4 Subject: Re: System organization preference question9 Message-ID: <c6v1b2$gdmks$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    David M Smith wrote:P > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:21:44 -0700, Jack Fortune <jfortune@uoregon.edu> wrote: >  > H >>While I'm sure there is no _right_ or _wrong_ way to manage a cluster,4 >>I'm curious as to what approach others have taken. >>@ >>The main differences concern the use of the SYSTEM accound andE >>SYS$MANAGER directory. At my former job, I hardly ever logged in as F >>SYSTEM and never ran any batch jobs under the SYSTEM username. Also,H >>we did not put any site-specific command procedures in any SYS$MANAGERD >>directory (except for SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, SYPAGSWPFILES.COM ,etc.). >>@ >>Here, there are many batch jobs running under SYSTEM, and mostC >>site-specific command files used to run the systems are typicallys >>located in SYS$MANAGER.  >>+ >>How have others configured their cluster?u >  > Q > My practice is to setup the SYSTEM account for /NOINTERACTIVE access and use itcQ > for system management batch jobs (this being, in general, the only account witheQ > default privileges greater than TMPMBX and NETMBX and sometimes OPER for systemiQ > manager types). Those of us with system management responsibilities have SETPRVeP > as an authorized privilege and (sometimes) OPER as default to allow login with > SET LOG /INT=0 in force. > I > We do not put files in SYS* directories, except for those documented as O > site-specific, which includes the SY*.COM files. All other files we keep in apO > separate, cluster-accessible, directory tree with various subdirectories (and N > corresponding logical names) to group like files together, e.g. xxx_STARTUP,% > xxx_SHUTDOWN, xxx_TOOLS, and so on.g > Q > By adopting this approach, we have a single directory of files even on clusterseP > with multiple system disks (e.g. multi-architecture), and never "collide" withO > VMS file or layered product file names. It is easy to know what is "ours" andn > what is not.  H On the subject of knowing what is "ours", I've worked at several places D where production stuff includes a short abbreviation of the company F name, and I've found that very useful. For example, if the company is I call AB Corp, I'd have logicals and associated directories called ABC_*.  E Good naming conventions for logicals, directories and procedures can ); also save a lot of time when it comes to problem diagnosis.5  H I also make sure that "key" startup stuff is on the system disk so that G I can get at it from a minimal (vs standalone, but standalone as well) 0? boot. The definition of "key" here is obviously site dependant.z   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:51:25 -0400s# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>u. Subject: VMS opportunities HP misses every day, Message-ID: <Fv-dnfNsSt_wRQ_dRVn-jg@igs.net>  - http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5202236.htmlf  2 Who needs this sh*t day after day from Microsoft??    < Linux weenies and their appliances are ok, but it isn't VMS.  J A small Alpha with OpenVMS, MX, Apache/Tomcat, Samba, MySQL, (PDMF, or theH now abandoned HP mail thingy), a couple of pretty GUI tools to admin theI thing, all configured and sold as a turnkey "appliance", sort of like the- Sun/Cobalt stuff was.e  K Sold in 1 CPU, dual CPU, or multiple CPU configurations, with/without RAID.DD Starting at <$1000 USD or thereabouts, complete with PDF versions ofH out-of-print VMS books that the copyright has been bought out, and other1 more current documentation for the supplied apps.p  E Some scheme for annual maintenance of the software components for thetF 'appliance', o/s and apps, or even simpler - whatever you paid for theG machine is a one year lease, return it after 1 year freight prepaid, oreJ renew the lease for 50% of the 1st year fee. Security patches supplied forK free via download; point releases with additional functionality cost extra.f  I Sold in Best Buy, CompUSA, Fry's, Sears, Pep Boys, Safeway, your local GM F dealer, LL Bean catalog, Boy Scouts & Girl Guides as door-to-door fund raiser, etc...  J Or HP can issue placards to all the VMS types it lets go in the next round8 of cutbacks, "Will consult on OpenVMS systems for food".   --------------------------   <TV ad>e  F Multiple tekkie types going nuts downloading and patching server after server.i  F Big Boss talking to IT head: "This is crazy. It's costing us a fortuneF having all these people patching everything all there time. Our serverJ infrastructure is killing our business. I don't care what it takes, fix it now!!!"l   2 weeks later....f  J Big Boss walks into glass house. Server farm is gone. One rack standing. AC few tech guys playing frisbie in the empty space in the glass house   G Big Boss to IT head: "What's going on? Microsoft fix up it's act, huh?"r  F IT head: "Actually no. We fixed our server infrastructure permanently.L Reliability is way up, patches are non-existent; viruses & worms are a thingJ of the past. We laid off 50% of our staff. All of our web and mail serversK have been switched over to OpenVMS from HP. All our file servers too. Piecee	 of cake."   G Big Boss: "Great work, Griswold. You can expect a big bonus this year."l  I Voiceover: "OpenVMS from HP has been providing enterprise-class security, L throughput, and reliability for the world's largest corporations for over 259 years. Now available at a price every company can afford.c  ; Call 1-800-OPENVMS or visit us online at www.hp.com/openvmseF (also www.hp.com/reliability , www.hp.com/security , www.hp.com/24x7 )   </TV ad>* (c) 2004, John Smith. All Rights Reserved.       <TV ad>e  D Series of vignettes...doctors examining a patient's head using everyF technique there is - MRI, CAT scan, calipers, strobe lights, otoscope, tongue depressor, whatever....  G Voiceover: "This is Bill. Bill is having his head examined. Bill didn't2D install HP's OpenVMS operating system to run his company's computing infrastructure.   F OpenVMS is the operating system of choice where security, reliability,6 availability, and immunity to viruses is a necessity."  G Cut back to Bill in the clinic.....sound of chain saw off- camera, Bill_ bug-eyed....  I Voiceover: "OpenVMS - the logical choice of companies large and small who " are serious about their business."    ; Call 1-800-OPENVMS or visit us online at www.hp.com/openvmsgF (also www.hp.com/reliability , www.hp.com/security , www.hp.com/24x7 )   </TV ad>* (c) 2004, John Smith. 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