1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 02 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 243       Contents:# Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call   Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 Another sneak preview - V8.2  Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2  Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2  Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2  Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2  Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2  Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2  Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 Re: Asdk the Wizard ? # Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other ( Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions?I Re: Games from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (was re: Tetris assembleur VAX + SMG) I Re: Games from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (was re: Tetris assembleur VAX + SMG) . Handling of long loops in X-windows programmes2 Re: Handling of long loops in X-windows programmes$ IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding( Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding( Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding( Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding( RE: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding( Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebrandingP RE: non-system but priviledged account OK for installing layered products? produ+ Re: System organization preference question = Re: Wanted: Various anonymous FTP servers for limited testing   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 03:47:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call, Message-ID: <4093560B.F99F6397@teksavvy.com>   Kenneth Farmer wrote:  > " > 11:00 PM, who thunk that one up!  ' You guys forget about globalisation :-)   K It could have been 09:00 am in India and they forgot they were calling in a  different time zone :-)   G It coudl also be a case of some deadline of the 30th of april with some M volunteer having procrastinated with his commitment to call X members by that K date until he looked at the time and realised he had to call 40 people with  only one hour left to go :-)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:07:50 +0200, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>) Subject: Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 9 Message-ID: <c72hdi$hbjpe$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   = "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> schreef in bericht $ news:4094c677@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > ( > Here is another sneak preview of V8.2: > / > We have added a CTRL-T AST routine, to report # > the progress of a COPY operation.  >  > Here is a small example: > , > IPL31> copy sys$system:sysdump.dmp [] /logG > IPL31::GUY 12:55:12 COPY      CPU=00:00:00.88 PF=3295 IO=1025 MEM=260 < >  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (0% completed)( >           2921 blocks copied of 375777G > IPL31::GUY 12:55:18 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.02 PF=3300 IO=1196 MEM=265 < >  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (3% completed)) >           13589 blocks copied of 375777 G > IPL31::GUY 12:55:33 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.22 PF=3300 IO=1551 MEM=265 < >  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (9% completed)) >           35941 blocks copied of 375777 G > IPL31::GUY 12:56:00 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.63 PF=3300 IO=2212 MEM=265 = >  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (20% completed) ) >           77724 blocks copied of 375777  > 0 > As usual, your feedback is highly appreciated. >  > Guy Peleg  > OpenVMS Engineering  >  >  > F That's very useful, especially the "% completed" part. Would it be too difficult to add that < string to BACKUP's output; when restoring a saveset that is?   Hans   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 12:56:56 +03000 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>% Subject: Another sneak preview - V8.2 * Message-ID: <4094c677@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  & Here is another sneak preview of V8.2:  - We have added a CTRL-T AST routine, to report ! the progress of a COPY operation.    Here is a small example:  * IPL31> copy sys$system:sysdump.dmp [] /logE IPL31::GUY 12:55:12 COPY      CPU=00:00:00.88 PF=3295 IO=1025 MEM=260 :  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (0% completed)&           2921 blocks copied of 375777E IPL31::GUY 12:55:18 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.02 PF=3300 IO=1196 MEM=265 :  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (3% completed)'           13589 blocks copied of 375777 E IPL31::GUY 12:55:33 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.22 PF=3300 IO=1551 MEM=265 :  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (9% completed)'           35941 blocks copied of 375777 E IPL31::GUY 12:56:00 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.63 PF=3300 IO=2212 MEM=265 ;  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (20% completed) '           77724 blocks copied of 375777   . As usual, your feedback is highly appreciated.  	 Guy Peleg  OpenVMS Engineering    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 12:22:42 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>) Subject: Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 9 Message-ID: <c72i5j$hgd81$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de>    Hans Vlems wrote: ? > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> schreef in bericht & > news:4094c677@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > ( >>Here is another sneak preview of V8.2: >>/ >>We have added a CTRL-T AST routine, to report # >>the progress of a COPY operation.  >> >>Here is a small example: >>, >>IPL31> copy sys$system:sysdump.dmp [] /logG >>IPL31::GUY 12:55:12 COPY      CPU=00:00:00.88 PF=3295 IO=1025 MEM=260 < >> Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (0% completed)( >>          2921 blocks copied of 375777G >>IPL31::GUY 12:55:18 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.02 PF=3300 IO=1196 MEM=265 < >> Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (3% completed)) >>          13589 blocks copied of 375777 G >>IPL31::GUY 12:55:33 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.22 PF=3300 IO=1551 MEM=265 < >> Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (9% completed)) >>          35941 blocks copied of 375777 G >>IPL31::GUY 12:56:00 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.63 PF=3300 IO=2212 MEM=265 = >> Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (20% completed) ) >>          77724 blocks copied of 375777  >>0 >>As usual, your feedback is highly appreciated. >> >>Guy Peleg  >>OpenVMS Engineering  >> >> >> > H > That's very useful, especially the "% completed" part. Would it be tooC > difficult to add that string to BACKUP's output; when restoring a   > saveset that is?  >   @ I like the "% completed" part too, so I'll second that question.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 10:26:16 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) ) Subject: Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0205040629150001@user-uinj4ct.dialup.mindspring.com>  6 In article <4094c677@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg"% <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote:   ' >Here is another sneak preview of V8.2:  > . >We have added a CTRL-T AST routine, to report" >the progress of a COPY operation. >  >Here is a small example:  >  ... F >IPL31::GUY 12:56:00 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.63 PF=3300 IO=2212 MEM=265< > Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (20% completed)( >          77724 blocks copied of 375777 > / >As usual, your feedback is highly appreciated.     ; Thanks.  I've been wanting this feature for about 15 years.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 14:14:15 +03000 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com>) Subject: Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 * Message-ID: <4094d897@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  8 I'll take a look at backup and see what can be done.....   Guy 7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message 3 news:c72i5j$hgd81$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de...  > Hans Vlems wrote: A > > "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> schreef in bericht ( > > news:4094c677@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > > * > >>Here is another sneak preview of V8.2: > >>1 > >>We have added a CTRL-T AST routine, to report % > >>the progress of a COPY operation.  > >> > >>Here is a small example: > >>. > >>IPL31> copy sys$system:sysdump.dmp [] /logI > >>IPL31::GUY 12:55:12 COPY      CPU=00:00:00.88 PF=3295 IO=1025 MEM=260 > > >> Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (0% completed)* > >>          2921 blocks copied of 375777I > >>IPL31::GUY 12:55:18 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.02 PF=3300 IO=1196 MEM=265 > > >> Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (3% completed)+ > >>          13589 blocks copied of 375777 I > >>IPL31::GUY 12:55:33 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.22 PF=3300 IO=1551 MEM=265 > > >> Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (9% completed)+ > >>          35941 blocks copied of 375777 I > >>IPL31::GUY 12:56:00 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.63 PF=3300 IO=2212 MEM=265 ? > >> Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (20% completed) + > >>          77724 blocks copied of 375777  > >>2 > >>As usual, your feedback is highly appreciated. > >>
 > >>Guy Peleg  > >>OpenVMS Engineering  > >> > >> > >> > > J > > That's very useful, especially the "% completed" part. Would it be tooE > > difficult to add that string to BACKUP's output; when restoring a  >  > saveset that is?  > >  > B > I like the "% completed" part too, so I'll second that question. >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 09:59:43 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ) Subject: Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 , Message-ID: <S7adnbeyyqJNYwndRVn-tA@igs.net>  B "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspringdot.com> wrote in messageF news:rdeininger-0205040629150001@user-uinj4ct.dialup.mindspring.com...8 > In article <4094c677@usenet01.boi.hp.com>, "Guy Peleg"' > <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote:  > ) > >Here is another sneak preview of V8.2:  > > 0 > >We have added a CTRL-T AST routine, to report$ > >the progress of a COPY operation. > >  > >Here is a small example:  > >  > ... H > >IPL31::GUY 12:56:00 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.63 PF=3300 IO=2212 MEM=265> > > Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (20% completed)* > >          77724 blocks copied of 375777 > > 1 > >As usual, your feedback is highly appreciated.  >  > = > Thanks.  I've been wanting this feature for about 15 years.   J A good feature to have. Now we can roll this into a GUI 'progress' bar forF visual confirmation of progress (for those who can't manage a keyboard
 sequence).  L What would be nice is an event-driven model as opposed to a 'polled' model -J certain system functions 'post' progress/status as 'publishers' - user and0 other system services 'subscribe' to the events.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 08:31:39 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> ) Subject: Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 0 Message-ID: <109a52icqk03o36@corp.supernews.com>   Guy Peleg wrote:/ > We have added a CTRL-T AST routine, to report # > the progress of a COPY operation.  ... 0 > As usual, your feedback is highly appreciated.  3 I _love_ that feature in BACKUP.  It's very useful.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2004 10:01:18 -0700 1 From: usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) ) Subject: Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 = Message-ID: <477e0934.0405020901.3cc814fa@posting.google.com>   b "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> wrote in message news:<4094c677@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...( > Here is another sneak preview of V8.2: > / > We have added a CTRL-T AST routine, to report # > the progress of a COPY operation.  >  > Here is a small example: > , > IPL31> copy sys$system:sysdump.dmp [] /logG > IPL31::GUY 12:55:12 COPY      CPU=00:00:00.88 PF=3295 IO=1025 MEM=260 < >  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (0% completed)( >           2921 blocks copied of 375777G > IPL31::GUY 12:55:18 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.02 PF=3300 IO=1196 MEM=265 < >  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (3% completed)) >           13589 blocks copied of 375777 G > IPL31::GUY 12:55:33 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.22 PF=3300 IO=1551 MEM=265 < >  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (9% completed)) >           35941 blocks copied of 375777 G > IPL31::GUY 12:56:00 COPY      CPU=00:00:01.63 PF=3300 IO=2212 MEM=265 = >  Copying: SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSEXE]SYSDUMP.DMP;1 (20% completed) ) >           77724 blocks copied of 375777  > 0 > As usual, your feedback is highly appreciated. >     D If it is copying more than one file, can you report the current fileF number and the total number of files to copy?  Or, do you not know the total number of files up front?    copy *.txt sys$scratch:  12:56:00 Copy CPU= PF= IO= MEM=     Copying foo.txt0    77724 blocks copied of 375777 (20% completed))    15 files copied of 100 (15% completed)   
 joshua lehrer  factset research systems NYSE:FDS   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2004 12:22:49 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ) Subject: Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 3 Message-ID: <BtYV9nReggWj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <477e0934.0405020901.3cc814fa@posting.google.com>, usenet_vms@lehrerfamily.com (Joshua Lehrer) writes:   F > If it is copying more than one file, can you report the current fileH > number and the total number of files to copy?  Or, do you not know the! > total number of files up front?   C Traditional behavior of the VMS command COPY does not allow knowing @ that in advance, since I am free to create 3 block file Z.TXT in? another process and have it copied as part of *.TXT when I know B that the COPY command is still working on 999999 block file A.TXT.  @ Breaking existing behavior of VMS for those who are not about to  type CTRL/T would be a bad move.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 11:04:14 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> Subject: Re: Asdk the Wizard ?& Message-ID: <4094D5AE.6A5CC165@hp.com>   warren sander wrote: > - > have you looked at the ask-the-wizard page?  > K > there is a box where you can put in the wizard number to pull up that q/a 7 > also all the listings currently have a 4 digit number ? > which is the wizard number (like 1020 is the printer one ...)  > K > anyway, ATW is stored in a notes file and the number is actually the note  > number in the notes file.  > > > also you can contruct the url if you know the wizard number. > L > it's http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wiz_xxxx.html where xxxx is the number zero+ > filled from the right side ie #10 is 0010  > G I did something quick-&-dirty (involving a DCL command-file, and a TPU  G command-file), and I hope i found most of the "wizard (nnnn)" pointers,  to make them links.   D See the FAQ copy at  http://eisner.encompasserve.org/vms/vmsfaq.html  
 E. & E. O.   Mike   --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 11:51:58 +0300 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>, Subject: Re: Carl Lydik /MicroVAX FAQ/ Other& Message-ID: <4094E0DE.45894E3A@hp.com>  
 rfc wrote: > 6 > On Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:05:55 +0100, "Richard Brodie" > <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote: >  > > ^ > >"rfc" <rfc2000@usa.net> wrote in message news:ufe19019kusistldi05lljom5mmmmekrti@4ax.com... > >>I > >> Having not frequented this newsgroup since 1995/1996 (I am seriously B > >> missing VMS and will be back more often now I am purchasing aH > >> home-based 3100/90) I'll always remember Carl as being an obnoxiousF > >> but sometimes extremely helpful character (he helped me out a few# > >> times) - where is he nowadays?  > > H > >Carl Lydick died in '96; Google groups has some information as to the > >circumstances.  > >  > 2 > ahhha I now see (I mistook his surname spelling) > F > Sad to hear. indeed, he was I think when it came to the crunch not aB > bad chap, certainly there are few characters I can remember from@ > comp.os.vms from the old days.... hoffman (opinionative... VMSA > Engineering).  was another... now he I am sure is still around.  > F > Those old days were certainly fun... before they let the chimpanzees > loose on the net *sigh*  >  > Cheers   I saved some of Carl's advice:: see http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htm   Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 08:48:58 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>1 Subject: Re: Disk De-Frag utilities, suggestions? ( Message-ID: <_B2lc.296$0S3.166@clgrps12>  9 I mentioned previously that we use Diskeeper for physical 6 defragmentation.  One problem with Diskeeper (and also: PerfectDisk, I assume) is that it defrags only files which: are not opened.  If files have to be accessible 24x7, then7 they would not normally get defragged without having to  close applications. < We resolved this problem over ten years ago by using the RMS? FIO routines to build utilities which allow the convert/reclaim 9 of RMS production files without impacting the users.  The 7 process is automated, but it does require the part-time  services of a DBA.; In a nutshell, Diskeeper defrags files which are closed and ; also makes contiguous free space available.  Our home-grown : utilities perform the online convert/reclaim of production; files, either on the same disk or to another disk with more  available space.9 I'm curious as to how other VMS customers using RMS files & handle the defragging of opened files?     David J. Dachtera wrote: > "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: >  >>Beach Runner wrote:  >> >>H >>>If you go to 7.3-1 and use XFC (requires patches) or 7.3-2 disk cache >>>programs become) >>>obsolete, and it's free and supported.  >>>  >>>Just set vcc_flags =2 >>G >>Disk Cache and Disk Defragmentation software are not one in the same, B >>and their use is not exclusive, but rather mutually beneficial.. >  > C > Yes. Where I'm at now, caching is what keeps us alive, to a large 3 > extent. VCC on VMS, writeback cache on the HSx's.  > @ > On the backend systems, freespace fragmentation tends to be anC > irritation. I do have one Radnet machine that does file re-org.'s G > regularly and it suffers both file and freespace fragmentation. Files H > get fragmented as they extend, new files are created fragmented due to > freespace fragmentation. >  > A never-ending battle... >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 10:37:30 +01005 From: "Malcolm" <malcolmix@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> R Subject: Re: Games from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (was re: Tetris assembleur VAX + SMG). Message-ID: <c72fd7$evr$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>  = "Mark Berryman" <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote in message  news:408e52a3@cpns1.saic.com...  > Malcolm wrote:K > > Did no one archive all of the games off of ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu , which  now  > > seems to have vanished?  > > K > > I got as far as M (moria_443) :( But they had a Tetris game on there...  > > L > > Was somewhat hampered by the fact that the ftp server they had there had a H > > bug and would crash after I'd retrieved 70 or so files... Or I would have > > had them all :(  > ; > I have a copy made 2 or 3 years ago.  Is that sufficient?  >  > Mark Berryman  >   K Good, noted :) Just glad to know someone has a copy of them...! It would be ( nice if we could put them up somewhere..  J May be getting some webspace (100MB) if I ever get round to paying for it, and could put them up on that.   -M.    ------------------------------   Date: 02 May 2004 09:56:13 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> R Subject: Re: Games from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (was re: Tetris assembleur VAX + SMG)7 Message-ID: <Xns94DD79BFFD761dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   8 "Malcolm" <malcolmix@neverness.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in' news:c72fd7$evr$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk:    ? > "Mark Berryman" <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote in message ! > news:408e52a3@cpns1.saic.com...  >> Malcolm wrote: F >> > Did no one archive all of the games off of ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu , >> > which   > now  >> > seems to have vanished? >> >C >> > I got as far as M (moria_443) :( But they had a Tetris game on  >> > there...   < >> I have a copy made 2 or 3 years ago.  Is that sufficient?  D > Good, noted :) Just glad to know someone has a copy of them...! It3 > would be nice if we could put them up somewhere..  > H > May be getting some webspace (100MB) if I ever get round to paying for$ > it, and could put them up on that.  E We'll host them for you, just open an account and stick them in your  ? webspace.  If you need more than the default quota let me know.      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 03:55:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Handling of long loops in X-windows programmes , Message-ID: <409357D1.7642C2FE@teksavvy.com>  L In an X windows programme, any processing actually occurs in a context whereL the X windows system called one of your subroutine (callback) as a result of some event being generated.   M This means that if you have a look that will be spending much time doing some I processing, that loop must constantly check to see if there is some event L pending, and if so, return control to X-windows, and allow the event loop toK continue so it can process that event (which could be the "stop" button for M instance). This can lead to some ugly code since every loop has to have thatc J heck and the routines must be "restartable" from where they left after the event has been processed.     E What are the different ways of handling this on X-windows ? Are there < VMS-specific ways to handle this in a more elegant fashion ?  I Is it worth it to create a separate thread to run the long loop, and if a D "STOP" event arrives, the main thread can then kill the sub-thread ?  M I know that one can insert an event from an AST. Can one insert events from a  thread ?  N In multi threaded programs, is there only a single AST queue that runs only inM the context of the main thread, or does each thread have its own AST queue ?    K (Could a looping thread declare an AST from time to time which would run in I the context of the main thread which would queue an X event to update the 4 screen with recently calculated data for instance) ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 11:13:31 -0500 ' From: Michael Rice <marice@knology.net> ; Subject: Re: Handling of long loops in X-windows programmes 0 Message-ID: <109a7dm59hfm2a7@corp.supernews.com>  $ On 5/1/2004 2:55 AM, JF Mezei wrote:N > In an X windows programme, any processing actually occurs in a context whereN > the X windows system called one of your subroutine (callback) as a result of > some event being generated.  > O > This means that if you have a look that will be spending much time doing some K > processing, that loop must constantly check to see if there is some event N > pending, and if so, return control to X-windows, and allow the event loop toM > continue so it can process that event (which could be the "stop" button for O > instance). This can lead to some ugly code since every loop has to have thatc L > heck and the routines must be "restartable" from where they left after the > event has been processed.  >    <snip>  F The way I've always done this is to periodically call a function that C processes pending events. So, inside your loop you would call this  I function and then continue processing - no "restarting" required. If the  A user might have pressed a "Stop" button, then, after calling the  G "process events" function, you check the variable set by that button's  	 callback.   3 The function to get/process events looks like this:    function ProcessEvents      while XtAppPending()           XtAppNextEvent()           XtDispatchEvent()      end end    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 19:07:09 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> - Subject: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding , Message-ID: <40942D97.5ECDC192@teksavvy.com>  9 http://news.com.com/2100-1010_3-5203401.html?tag=nefd.top   + IBM is unleashing its Power5 based servers.   K But it is also in a major rebranding effort. Even AS/400 is being rebranded  into some obscure name.    eServers is the generic name xServers is for 360 mainframes pServers is for Power/AIX boxes  iServers is for Power/AS400  xServers is for Intel boxes   M Starting monday, the "iServers" are rebadged eServersi5, AS400 rebadged i5/OS   I For those of us who though tacking the "open" to VMS was a big mistake, I N think IBM is making a MUCH bigger mistake. What happens when they get to Power1 6 in a few years ? Will AS400 still get renamed ?   I However, in fairness, IBM is in a long transition to a single power-based J platform for its MVS/AIX/AS400 products which used to be totally separate.. Still no reason to constantly change OS names.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2004 06:48:43 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0405020548.f49cdfe@posting.google.com>  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<40942D97.5ECDC192@teksavvy.com>... ; > http://news.com.com/2100-1010_3-5203401.html?tag=nefd.top  > - > IBM is unleashing its Power5 based servers.  > M > But it is also in a major rebranding effort. Even AS/400 is being rebranded  > into some obscure name.  >  > eServers is the generic name  > xServers is for 360 mainframes! > pServers is for Power/AIX boxes  > iServers is for Power/AS400  > xServers is for Intel boxes  > O > Starting monday, the "iServers" are rebadged eServersi5, AS400 rebadged i5/OS  > K > For those of us who though tacking the "open" to VMS was a big mistake, I P > think IBM is making a MUCH bigger mistake. What happens when they get to Power3 > 6 in a few years ? Will AS400 still get renamed ?  > K > However, in fairness, IBM is in a long transition to a single power-based L > platform for its MVS/AIX/AS400 products which used to be totally separate.0 > Still no reason to constantly change OS names.    6 what a shame having such a nice processor but no OS to5 run on it ... too bad it can't run OpenVMS, then that  would be power ...   ------------------------------   Date: 2 May 2004 07:24:43 -0700 ( From: finnjj@telefonica.net (Jerry Finn)1 Subject: Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding = Message-ID: <31a78418.0405020624.7dd77326@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<40942D97.5ECDC192@teksavvy.com>...   > xServers is for 360 mainframes  C xServers are only the Intel based. The mainframes were 390 and have  been rebranded as zSeries.  
 Jerry Finn   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 16:36:18 +0200, From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>1 Subject: Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding 9 Message-ID: <c73150$hqbhp$1@ID-143435.news.uni-berlin.de>   < "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> schreef in bericht& news:40942D97.5ECDC192@teksavvy.com...; > http://news.com.com/2100-1010_3-5203401.html?tag=nefd.top  > - > IBM is unleashing its Power5 based servers.  > C > But it is also in a major rebranding effort. Even AS/400 is being 	 rebranded  > into some obscure name.  >  > eServers is the generic name  > xServers is for 360 mainframes! > pServers is for Power/AIX boxes  > iServers is for Power/AS400  > xServers is for Intel boxes  > I > Starting monday, the "iServers" are rebadged eServersi5, AS400 rebadged  i5/OS  > K > For those of us who though tacking the "open" to VMS was a big mistake, I J > think IBM is making a MUCH bigger mistake. What happens when they get to Power 3 > 6 in a few years ? Will AS400 still get renamed ?  > K > However, in fairness, IBM is in a long transition to a single power-based L > platform for its MVS/AIX/AS400 products which used to be totally separate.0 > Still no reason to constantly change OS names. > 4 Shouldn't that be zServers for 390 class mainframes?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 07:40:38 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 1 Subject: RE: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKENCDCAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----3   From: Hans Vlems [mailto:hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl] $   Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 7:36 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3   Subject: Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding       >   "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> schreef in bericht(   news:40942D97.5ECDC192@teksavvy.com...=   > http://news.com.com/2100-1010_3-5203401.html?tag=nefd.top    > /   > IBM is unleashing its Power5 based servers.    > E   > But it is also in a major rebranding effort. Even AS/400 is being    rebranded    > into some obscure name.    >     > eServers is the generic name"   > xServers is for 360 mainframes#   > pServers is for Power/AIX boxes    > iServers is for Power/AS400    > xServers is for Intel boxes    > K   > Starting monday, the "iServers" are rebadged eServersi5, AS400 rebadged    i5/OS    > B   > For those of us who though tacking the "open" to VMS was a big   mistake, IL   > think IBM is making a MUCH bigger mistake. What happens when they get to   Power 5   > 6 in a few years ? Will AS400 still get renamed ?    > A   > However, in fairness, IBM is in a long transition to a single 
   power-based <   > platform for its MVS/AIX/AS400 products which used to be   totally separate. 2   > Still no reason to constantly change OS names.   > 6   Shouldn't that be zServers for 390 class mainframes?> Yes, they have been called z-series servers for several years.       --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.655 / Virus Database: 420 - Release Date: 4/8/2004    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 21:23:08 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>1 Subject: Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding - Message-ID: <87r7u3hsjn.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:   ; > http://news.com.com/2100-1010_3-5203401.html?tag=nefd.top  > - > IBM is unleashing its Power5 based servers.  > M > But it is also in a major rebranding effort. Even AS/400 is being rebranded  > into some obscure name.  >  > eServers is the generic name  > xServers is for 360 mainframes      zServers is for 360 mainframes     --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 11:03:07 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> Y Subject: RE: non-system but priviledged account OK for installing layered products? produ R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB314000@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----J > From: David J. Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net]=20 > Sent: May 1, 2004 10:57 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ; > Subject: Re: non-system but priviledged account OK for=20 2 > installing layered products? products? products? >=20 > Michael Austin wrote:  > >=20A > > it also is depending on the layered product you are trying=20 
 > to install. @ > > IBM's MQSeries will ONLY install, startup and/or shutdown=20 > with the user 6 > > SYSTEM. MQSeries is much like the old DECMessageQ. >=20@ > I was given to understand that MQseries *IS* DECmessageq, someH > generations removed, just as SLS is descended from an early version of
 > TapeSys. >=20 > --=20n > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systemsn > http://www.djesys.com/ >=20* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e >=20   David,  = MQSeries is and has always been (as far back as I know) IBM'sD! application messaging product.=20   G DECmessageQ was sold to BEA and is now sold and supported by them under  the name BEA MessageQ.=20.  
 Reference:J http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=3Dindex.htm&FP=3D/content/products/m= ore 
 /messageq/   Regardsi  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantl HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660l Fax: 613-591-4477r Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom . (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 03:45:19 -04005- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>g4 Subject: Re: System organization preference question, Message-ID: <40935571.B02C55D8@teksavvy.com>   Paul Sture wrote:nF > My preference is to keep application stuff out of [SYSMGR], and I doI > that when starting out with a new system, but in your situation I would56 > be very wary of making changes in case I got bitten.  N Actually, when you inherit an existing system, it should be one of the primaryM goals to take "onwership" of it and get to know it intimately enough that you K feel confident enough to be able to reorganise stuff to a better structure.d  K Thsi is especially true when there isn't much documentation and you need tol2 write your own (eiother on paper or in your head).  H When a problem occurs, without that "intimate" knowledge, you may end up causing more harm than good :-(o   ------------------------------   Date: 02 May 2004 08:05:45 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com>-F Subject: Re: Wanted: Various anonymous FTP servers for limited testing7 Message-ID: <Xns94DD66E4011BCdcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>i  ; sms@antinode.org wrote in news:04050123075616@antinode.org:i  1 >    Multinet (VMS-style and UNIX-style listings)s  G > If you are running one (or more) of these and don't mind it getting atH > little harmless anonymous exercise, please send me a message.  PostingJ > to the newsgroup would probably reduce the traffic in duplicates.  Also,J > Windows NT servers with variant formats would be educational as well, if6 > anyone knows where to find those.  Thanks, I assume.  L We're running Multinet on the Deathrow Cluster, you're welcome to test with  ftp to manson.vistech.net.     Doc. -- YG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems.SG http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.5   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.243 ************************