1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 04 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 246       Contents:# Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call % Re: Another VMS marketing opportunity % Re: Another VMS marketing opportunity  Re: Asdk the Wizard ?  Re: Asdk the Wizard ?  Re: Asdk the Wizard ?  Configuring FINGER?  Re: Configuring FINGER? 5 Re: Determining who in a cluster has the lock manager P Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quot( Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding9 new TPC-C results for Rob (no POWER5 results yet, though) = Re: new TPC-C results for Rob (no POWER5 results yet, though) = RE: new TPC-C results for Rob (no POWER5 results yet, though) = Re: new TPC-C results for Rob (no POWER5 results yet, though) P Re: non-system but priviledged account OK for installing layered products? produ" Print HTML files directly from VMS& Re: Print HTML files directly from VMS& Re: Print HTML files directly from VMS Re: T4 and TLViz! Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists ) Re: VMS opportunities HP misses every day ) Re: VMS opportunities HP misses every day ) Re: VMS opportunities HP misses every day ) Re: VMS opportunities HP misses every day   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 02:11:01 GMT , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>, Subject: Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call/ Message-ID: <VYClc.18289$TD4.2485193@attbi_s01>   H I sent a note to the BoD on this subject.  One of them got the late hour home call and wasn't happy.   L I believe this will get on their agenda real soon now.  I suspect this won't  be happening again anytime soon.   Dave...   3 "Jenny Butler" <jbutler@utmem.edu> wrote in message - news:00ce01c4312c$dea1e350$1806c084@jennyb... @ > The problem with call work numbers late is that system managerD > types (like myself) have paging off our work phones, so a computer? > problem will call my work phone and I get a page - 2:00 am or 8 > whatever.  I would have much preferred a simple email!" >                     FWIW - Jenny > ----- Original Message -----  - > From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  > To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> % > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:27 AM . > Subject: Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call >  >  > > Chris Francis wrote: > > H > > >I also received this call. I called Encompass the following morningI > > >and left a message indicating how displeased I was with their timing I > > >of this call, and I requested to be put on their Do Not Call List. I J > > >received an e-mail from them later that day. They apologized and saidH > > >that the intention was to call work numbers after hours so that theD > > >message would be waiting for everyone in their voicemail boxes. > > >  > > > F > > IMHO, that still is not an acceptable answer when you consider the& > > number of SOHO situations today... > >  > > 	 > > Barry  > >  > > --   > > B > > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.comB > > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320B > > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 > >  > >  > >  > >    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2004 15:53:24 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) . Subject: Re: Another VMS marketing opportunity3 Message-ID: <FO00eaqUdfXV@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <c75tua$o9q$1@news-reader5.wanadoo.fr>, labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr> writes:  > John Smith a crit :O >> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1212&e=4&u=/afp/20040503/tc A >> _afp/internet_virus_finland_banking_company_sampo&sid=96001018  >>  L >> What do you want to bet that HP does nothing with events such as these to! >> advertise and promote OpenVMS?  > ; > I am pretty confident, there will be nothing in the press  >  > :-(  > G > If I was CEO of this bank who needs to close a few days because of a  1 > virus, I would fire imeediately the head of IT.   I Perhaps not if you knew the folks at the next level down were even worse.   F Besides, perhaps the head of IT had already gotten directions from theC CEO to "buy Microsoft" (or whatever -- I did not read the article).    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 22:08:41 +0000 (UTC), From: Mikko Putkonen <miputkon@paju.oulu.fi>. Subject: Re: Another VMS marketing opportunity* Message-ID: <c76ft9$mea$1@ousrvr3.oulu.fi>  " John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1212&e=4&u=/afp/20040503/tc@ > _afp/internet_virus_finland_banking_company_sampo&sid=96001018  K > What do you want to bet that HP does nothing with events such as these to   > advertise and promote OpenVMS?  L > There should be several full page ads in the major Finnish, and indeed allH > the Scandanvian and countries which touch the Baltic tomorrow morning, > extolling the virtues of VMS.   G Slightly off-topic, but this brings me to a "funny" detail: In Finland  F we've got a USENET hierarchy called SFNET that naturally contains someI computing related groups, among many other things.  I myself don't follow F the traffic in any of the Windows related groups, but the major Linux J group receives perhaps, say, about 20-40 posts per day at the moment.  TheE general Unix group may receive a few posts on good days.  But the VMS H group is practically dead; it certainly doesn't receive new posts daily,* usually not even monthly (expect spam) ...     -Mikko Putkonen    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:40:32 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Asdk the Wizard ?+ Message-ID: <4096921F.1E05EE5@teksavvy.com>    warren sander wrote:M > A lot of the ATW q/a have code fragments, programs, dcl commands, formula's / > etc. and the base of the info is a notes file J > so everything is 'text based' Also we went through a lot of finagling to8 > make sure that if folks type in HTML that the HTML wasJ > displayed and it wasn't 'interpreted' by either my extraction program or6 > your browser. That keeps weird things from happeningN > to your browser if you looked at something nasty that got through. We really6 > haven't had any problems but I'd rather error on theF > side of safety and keep the questions/answers in a base text format.  N Sounds like a perfect application for ALLIN1. Each answer stored in a separateL ALL-IN-1 document, which can be of different type (TEXT , HTML etc), and youN then use the document,s title to name the wizard answer. Plugs into Apache andL you get an automatic index of wizard entries. Need to add another one ? just create the document. Voila.   N Of course, i realise that no VMS engineer would be caught dead near ALLIN1. ItR is a shame because that product is a hell of a lot more then character cell menus.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 19:07:04 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> Subject: Re: Asdk the Wizard ?) Message-ID: <c761nf$7c0$1@news.wplus.net>   7 "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in message & news:40967e8d$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > Tom  > K > The basic problem with your request is in Knowing that a wizard number is  a 0 > wizard number and not just a number in parens. > C > A lot of the ATW q/a have code fragments, programs, dcl commands, 	 formula's / > etc. and the base of the info is a notes file J > so everything is 'text based' Also we went through a lot of finagling to8 > make sure that if folks type in HTML that the HTML wasJ > displayed and it wasn't 'interpreted' by either my extraction program or6 > your browser. That keeps weird things from happeningG > to your browser if you looked at something nasty that got through. We  really6 > haven't had any problems but I'd rather error on theF > side of safety and keep the questions/answers in a base text format. > J > Yes it would be nice to see (546) and click it to open wiz_0546.html but1 > what I do is open another browser and construct A > the url (or use the put the number in to see the q/a function).  > K > We still haven't finished removing the "digital's" from some of the q/a's . > and we were supposed to do that in 1998. Now0 > we also need to get rid of the compaq's also.. > H > Steve has answered in excess of 8000 questions during the life of ATW. I'veB > had to reformat, recreate, repost all them at least 8 times with? > new look/feel and other add-on's like the date last modified.  >   : So you are confirming Steve Hoffman is indeed the Wizard ?  ) I thought this was a (badly kept) secret?   E I also seem to recall another post in c.o.v claiming 'the Wizard' has  multiple personalities...    Alex   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:07:49 -0400, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: Asdk the Wizard ?, Message-ID: <4096b53c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   I just said Steve not Hoff  K there are many Steve's in OpenVMS and Even more in the company. And in fact  your username has to be STEVE  to get into the conference.   I Originally it was 'ask steve' before we did 'ask the wizard' At that time  Steve as a support vp.    G "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> wrote in message # news:c761nf$7c0$1@news.wplus.net... 9 > "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> wrote in message ( > news:40967e8d$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com... > > Tom  > > J > > The basic problem with your request is in Knowing that a wizard number is > a 2 > > wizard number and not just a number in parens. > > E > > A lot of the ATW q/a have code fragments, programs, dcl commands,  > formula's 1 > > etc. and the base of the info is a notes file L > > so everything is 'text based' Also we went through a lot of finagling to: > > make sure that if folks type in HTML that the HTML wasL > > displayed and it wasn't 'interpreted' by either my extraction program or8 > > your browser. That keeps weird things from happeningI > > to your browser if you looked at something nasty that got through. We  > really8 > > haven't had any problems but I'd rather error on theH > > side of safety and keep the questions/answers in a base text format. > > L > > Yes it would be nice to see (546) and click it to open wiz_0546.html but3 > > what I do is open another browser and construct C > > the url (or use the put the number in to see the q/a function).  > > G > > We still haven't finished removing the "digital's" from some of the  q/a's 0 > > and we were supposed to do that in 1998. Now2 > > we also need to get rid of the compaq's also.. > > J > > Steve has answered in excess of 8000 questions during the life of ATW. > I'veD > > had to reformat, recreate, repost all them at least 8 times withA > > new look/feel and other add-on's like the date last modified.  > >  > < > So you are confirming Steve Hoffman is indeed the Wizard ? > + > I thought this was a (badly kept) secret?  > G > I also seem to recall another post in c.o.v claiming 'the Wizard' has  > multiple personalities...  >  > Alex >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2004 11:50:27 -0700 2 From: hoefelmeyer@hotmail.com (Cheryl Hoefelmeyer) Subject: Configuring FINGER?= Message-ID: <72a72e76.0405031050.42e91658@posting.google.com>   
 Hi, everyone, E I'm getting strange behavior from FINGER on our machine. I suspect it 0 isn't configured correctly. Here's what happens:  " (1) $FINGER <non-existent-user-id>          gives<     Login name: <non-existent-user-id>     In real life: ???   (2) $FINGER <my-user-id>            gives5     Username     Program      Login     Term/Location F     <me>         $            Mon 10:41 <location>                    =     Login name: <me>        In real life: <my_name>           8     Account: <acct>            Directory: <my_directory>(     Last login: Mon  3-MAY-2004 10:41:25     No unread mail     No Plan.   (3) $FINGER <user-in-my-group>          gives;     %SYSTEM-F-NOGRPPRV, operation requires GRPPRV privilege <     -DEBUG-W-BREAK, breakpoint fault at PC=00000000000326D8, PS=0000001B    (4) $FINGER <other_user>          gives;     %SYSTEM-F-NOSYSPRV, operation requires SYSPRV privilege <     -DEBUG-W-BREAK, breakpoint fault at PC=00000000000326D8, PS=0000001B    Any ideas what's going on?   Thanks!  Cheryl   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 19:57:47 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)   Subject: Re: Configuring FINGER?/ Message-ID: <%uxlc.780$101.70@news.cpqcorp.net>   r In article <72a72e76.0405031050.42e91658@posting.google.com>, hoefelmeyer@hotmail.com (Cheryl Hoefelmeyer) writes:  F :I'm getting strange behavior from FINGER on our machine. I suspect it :isn't configured correctly.    D   Is finger configured and started in whichever IP stack product and(   IP stack product version is installed?   :Any ideas what's going on?   ;   OpenVMS version?  Platform?  IP stack name and version?     <   Obviously, I'd assume finger isn't configured and started.  ?   If this is TCP/IP Services, use UCX$CONFIG for versions prior @   to V5.0 and TCPIP$CONFIG for versions V5.0 and later.  V5.4 isB   current, though older OpenVMS versions can restrict you to older@   TCP/IP Services versions.  Please also do apply the available >   mandatory ECO kits for the particular version of OpenVMS and+   (if you're using it) for TCP/IP Services.   ;   For tips on asking questions, please consider reading the >   introductory information in the OpenVMS FAQ -- this can help>   you get the answer to your question more quickly, of course.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2004 11:38:16 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) > Subject: Re: Determining who in a cluster has the lock manager< Message-ID: <cf15391e.0405031038.b8e3b81@posting.google.com>  t rcyoung@aliconsultants.com (Robert Young) wrote in message news:<91437ce6.0404301650.62079150@posting.google.com>...F > Some databases on VMS utilize the lock manager in a cluster setting.E > If the manager migrates to a "less powerful" node, the database can % > suffer severe performance problems.   F OpenVMS tries to move the lock mastership duties for a given lock treeE to the node which currently has the highest average level of activity E on that lock tree. This is because when lock requests are done on the D node which is the lock master for a given tree it is the fastest and most efficient.   D > I am wondering how to tell which node is the "current home" of theE > cluster lock manager so that if performance problems arise, one can G > readily "eliminate" the lock manager migration issue from the list of " > possible sources of the problem.  @ The LOCK_ACTV_DC/LOCK_ACTV_RG.COM tools from the V6 Freeware CD,  [KP_LOCKTOOLS] directory (or see@ http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware60/kp_locktools/) canC display which lock trees have the most activity in the cluster at a = given point in time, which nodes are actively accessing these A highly-active lock trees at the moment, as well as their relative = activity levels, and also tells which node currently has lock A mastership duties for the tree at this time (look for an asterisk  beside the nodename).   A If the node listed as having the highest average activity rate is A assigned as the lock master node, and it's not thrashing back and D forth between nodes too often, then things are in the optimal state.D Sometimes you may find that a burst of locking activity to a tree onF another node may induce VMS to move the lock mastership temporarily to> a less-optimal node from the standpoint of a latency-sensitiveD application; this can often be prevented by running such jobs on the! current lock master node instead.   F To find out programmatically which node is the lock master for a givenC tree, first you need to know the resource name of the root resource C for the lock tree. You can often deduce this from the output of the E LOCK_ACTV* tool. (I don't know what database you're using, but Oracle > Rdb tends to have roo resource names starting with hexadecimal@ 000000DD, and Oracle DBMS uses 00000028.) Once you know the rootB resource name, take a look at the example DCL code & Macro program3 FINDMASTER*.* in the same [KP_LOCKTOOLS] directory.   @ In one large cluster I ran, I set up batch queues for major lockD trees, and used such a program combined with some DCL code to alwaysD keep each batch queue pointed to the node which was the one to whichB the lock mastership duties were assigned at a given point in time.F Submitting jobs to these queues then assured the job of running on the? node where it was the most efficient in terms of lock requests.   F > I believe that by setting PE1 in sysgen to "0" it will "prevent" theG > manager from migrating, but is there another way to tell "where it is 0 > now" if migration is allowed, or has occurred?  ? Setting PE1 to zero (its default value) puts no restrictions on C activity-based lock mastership migration. Setting PE1 to a non-zero D value prevents movement of mastership of a lock tree OFF OF the nodeF on which the PE1 setting is made (but makes no restriction with regardC to movement of lock tree mastership ONTO that node) . A value of -1 B for PE1 disables all lock remastering off of the node. A positive,D non-zero value indicates the maximum size of lock tree which will be@ allowed to move off of a node. (Note that setting PE1 to -1 also> disables updating of the counters that LOCK_ACTV* uses for its
 displays).  D More information is available in some of my user-group presentationsB on monitoring & controlling the OpenVMS Lock Manager -- the latestd seems to be at http://www.geocities.com/keithparris/decus_presentations/s2002_dist_lock_mgr_perf.pptC  (The next issue of the OpenVMS Technical Journal is also slated to  have an article on this topic.)    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2004 11:47:44 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) Y Subject: Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quot = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0405031047.18ed4cc3@posting.google.com>   } "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<c6tp51$gd9on$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>... H > In that case I hope you are telling the people who are deciding on theG > licensing structure of IA64. The last I saw Availability Manager, ECP C > and OVMS Management Station (all free products currently) will be E > included in the "Enterprise Operating Environment" and the "Mission F > Critical Operating Environment" but not in the "Foundation OperatingE > Environment." IMHO those items should be in the FOE, but the DECNet ) > licenses should be in the EOE and MCOE.   E While input and feedback as to what is appropriate to bundle into the F different levels of Operating Environments on Itanium is a good thing,E keep in mind that any product a customer wishes can be added on an 'a C la carte' basis to any OE the customer chooses as a starting point,  albeit at some non-zero cost.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2004 03:35:58 GMT  From: healyzh@aracnet.com 1 Subject: Re: IBM unveils Power5, major rebranding , Message-ID: <c7732u0125d@enews3.newsguy.com>  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: > eServers is the generic name  > zServers is for 360 mainframes! > pServers is for Power/AIX boxes  > iServers is for Power/AS400  > xServers is for Intel boxes   O > Starting monday, the "iServers" are rebadged eServersi5, AS400 rebadged i5/OS   K <Snicker> My first reaction is that this is kind of funny/silly, but if you J think about it, maybe they're trying to confuse their customers purchasingM departments so that the SysAdmin folks get the purchases pushed through with  5 the weasels thinking they're buying Windows boxes :^(    		Zane   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:40:47 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>B Subject: new TPC-C results for Rob (no POWER5 results yet, though)2 Message-ID: <yPednaO_Jc-yMwvdRVn-uQ@metrocast.net>  K With the announcement of the POWER5, I decided to look around to see if any G new benchmark information was yet available for it.  No luck so far (if L anyone has seen any, you could note them here), but with HP's entry into theI Opteron server market some serious TPC-C configurations have finally been 
 submitted.  E And guess what?  While they don't *quite* catch up with Itanic at the D 4-processor node, they come very respectably close.  Only one ItanicG configuration beats the best Opteron configuration, by about 10% and at E about 17% higher price despite the fact that for reasons that are not F obvious the Opteron system elects to provide nearly twice the databaseK capacity that the Itanic system does, by using 36 GB drives rather than the J less-expensive 18 GB drives on the Itanic.  The Opteron system still maxesJ out at only 2/3 as much memory as the Itanic system (which likely accountsI for most of the remaining performance difference between the two) and, of L course, only 1/6 as much per-CPU cache, but seems to scale up about as I hadI predicted from the 1.8 GHz/32 GB system tested a year or so ago (linearly H with clock rate, unlike bus-based MP systems like Xeon and Itanic unlessJ aided by massive on-chip caches, plus roughly another 11% for the doublingD in system RAM made possible by the new, higher-density RAM modules).  H Of course, IIRC Itanic is still scheduled for a minor bump in clock rateE this year, plus some additional on-chip cache (still this year?), and F perhaps an FSB clock increase (though my impression is only for 1- andL 2-processor systems).  This might bring its 4-processor TPC-C performance upL to around 150K tpmC, possibly a bit higher with compiler advances.  The nextK real match-up will occur when both platforms move to 90 nm. - Opteron later ) this year, and Itanic sometime next year.   0 But I still really want to see POWER5 numbers...   - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2004 21:10:36 -0600 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) F Subject: Re: new TPC-C results for Rob (no POWER5 results yet, though)3 Message-ID: <JBbXzlJIWNMH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <yPednaO_Jc-yMwvdRVn-uQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:   J > Of course, IIRC Itanic is still scheduled for a minor bump in clock rateG > this year, plus some additional on-chip cache (still this year?), and H > perhaps an FSB clock increase (though my impression is only for 1- andN > 2-processor systems).  This might bring its 4-processor TPC-C performance upN > to around 150K tpmC, possibly a bit higher with compiler advances.  The nextM > real match-up will occur when both platforms move to 90 nm. - Opteron later + > this year, and Itanic sometime next year.  > 2 > But I still really want to see POWER5 numbers... >   ) 	Yeah.  Power - last hurrah of the RISCs.    	Paul nails it:   C http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT042704221446&p=8   L The tremendous upheavals happening right now in the server market representsK the start of the second and final phase of the victory of the merchant chip L business model over the vertically integrated house RISC business model. TheM first phase of this process started nearly a decade ago with the introduction E of the Pentium Pro and accompanying standard high volume chipsets and N motherboards. This event started the industry down a long road that ended withI x86s virtual ownership of the 1 to 4 processor server market segment. The N second phase of this process effectively began with the release of the MadisonO 6M Itanium 2 processor last summer. That marked the beginning of the end of the K domination of 8 to 64+ CPU, high end segment of the server market by system K vendor specific ISAs. Although the second phase of the rise of the high end I merchant MPU will likely last into the next decade, the same economic and H network effect forces that drove the first phase are still as potent andA irresistible today, and thus virtually ensure a similar outcome.     ---   A 	Strategically IPF looks very good.  Especially if Intel delivers 1 	on twice the performance at the same price, etc.    				Rob    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 19:34:08 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> F Subject: RE: new TPC-C results for Rob (no POWER5 results yet, though)9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMEOMDCAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----4   From: Rob Young [mailto:young_r@encompasserve.org]$   Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:11 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com H   Subject: Re: new TPC-C results for Rob (no POWER5 results yet, though)    @   In article <yPednaO_Jc-yMwvdRVn-uQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd""   <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes:  L   > Of course, IIRC Itanic is still scheduled for a minor bump in clock rateI   > this year, plus some additional on-chip cache (still this year?), and J   > perhaps an FSB clock increase (though my impression is only for 1- andA   > 2-processor systems).  This might bring its 4-processor TPC-C    performance up<   > to around 150K tpmC, possibly a bit higher with compiler   advances.  The next A   > real match-up will occur when both platforms move to 90 nm. -    Opteron later -   > this year, and Itanic sometime next year.    > 4   > But I still really want to see POWER5 numbers...   >   +   	Yeah.  Power - last hurrah of the RISCs.      	Paul nails it:   E   http://www.realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT042704221446&p=8   C   The tremendous upheavals happening right now in the server market    represents?   the start of the second and final phase of the victory of the    merchant chip C   business model over the vertically integrated house RISC business    model. TheB   first phase of this process started nearly a decade ago with the   introductionG   of the Pentium Pro and accompanying standard high volume chipsets and @   motherboards. This event started the industry down a long road   that ended with K   x86s virtual ownership of the 1 to 4 processor server market segment. The A   second phase of this process effectively began with the release    of the MadisonB   6M Itanium 2 processor last summer. That marked the beginning of   the end of theC   domination of 8 to 64+ CPU, high end segment of the server market    by system @   vendor specific ISAs. Although the second phase of the rise of   the high endK   merchant MPU will likely last into the next decade, the same economic and J   network effect forces that drove the first phase are still as potent andB   irresistible today, and thus virtually ensure a similar outcome.  L In general, I agree with your comments.  I think it is fair to say, however, thatD IBM is vertically integrated, and perhaps is the only one capable of
 remaining so. G Unfortunately I do not believe that HP can sustain Itanium for the long  haul, I partly because Intel has other chestnuts and the cost to maintain parity, J performance-wise, with the X86-like architecures will become a burden that very& likely HP will have to shoulder alone.  I I am still of the opinion that Itanium was a reckless adventure, not well J considered.  But OTOH I have the same view of Alpha, which did very little toB advance computing technology, so I am obviously not well informed.     ---   C   	Strategically IPF looks very good.  Especially if Intel delivers 3   	on twice the performance at the same price, etc.   	   				Rob      --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 01:07:23 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>F Subject: Re: new TPC-C results for Rob (no POWER5 results yet, though)2 Message-ID: <ssidnfziK6lxuQrdRVn-sw@metrocast.net>  8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:JBbXzlJIWNMH@eisner.encompasserve.org... @ > In article <yPednaO_Jc-yMwvdRVn-uQ@metrocast.net>, "Bill Todd"  <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > L > > Of course, IIRC Itanic is still scheduled for a minor bump in clock rateI > > this year, plus some additional on-chip cache (still this year?), and J > > perhaps an FSB clock increase (though my impression is only for 1- andA > > 2-processor systems).  This might bring its 4-processor TPC-C  performance upK > > to around 150K tpmC, possibly a bit higher with compiler advances.  The  nextI > > real match-up will occur when both platforms move to 90 nm. - Opteron  later - > > this year, and Itanic sometime next year.  > > 4 > > But I still really want to see POWER5 numbers... > >  > * > Yeah.  Power - last hurrah of the RISCs.  J If so, it's a pretty loud one:  POWER4+ currently beats the largest ItanicH system in TPC-C using half as many processors, and POWER5 should do evenJ better (plus doubles the maximum system size, leaving Itanic *far* back inL the dust until 128-processor Itanic systems become available).  Of course, a@ significant part of that is due to significantly superior systemG architecture - something the Alpha team understood as well, but whether L their injection of EV7-style technology into Itanic in the 2006-7 time-frameH will suffice to erase today's 2:1 per-processor performance lag in largeL systems remains to be seen:  so far, the claimed crushing superiority of theI EPIC architecture seems to be honored much more in the breach than in the I observance, save in some HPC-oriented applications where power efficiency  considerations can be ignored.  J And then, of course, there's AMD64 (and now its P4/Xeon clone) threateningK both of them from below - just as those lacking rose-colored Itanic glasses G have always predicted.  But I'm sure you'll just keep furiously selling G Itanic futures as you've been doing going on 3 years now:  hope springs E eternal, etc., though one should also remember that one definition of H insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different  result (to paraphrase Einstein).   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 14:31:51 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: non-system but priviledged account OK for installing layered products? produ , Message-ID: <40969016.AFC8443C@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote: F > HP suffers from the same dirty little secret that Digital did: greatJ > products (many of Digital-heritage) that nobody knows about because theyM > aren't advertised at the product level - too much 'warm and fuzzy - we're a L > great company to deal with' advertising and none of 'this specific product' > will solve your problem' advertising.         M The "warm and fuzzy" advertising wouldn't be so bad if it was complemented by E a sales force that would mention the specific products and push them. J Unfortunatly, HP's sales force (same with Compaq and Digital in its PalmerQ years) have been told not to push VMS and to steer customers to HP-UX or Windows.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2004 14:32:10 -0700 $ From: benitos@stcc.cc.tx.us (Benito)+ Subject: Print HTML files directly from VMS = Message-ID: <ad6309a1.0405031332.687268fa@posting.google.com>    Hello,F I have 350 html files that I would like to print from Vms.  I want theD print output to be as if I was viewing it on a browser.  So I do notC want to do $print htmlfile.html since this would print the tags.  I D also do not want to convert the .html file to .txt format since this< would not print whatever fonts, etc. the html file has.  Any8 suggestions would be appreciated.  Thank you in advance.     Benito   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 23:19:18 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> / Subject: Re: Print HTML files directly from VMS 2 Message-ID: <4096D36E.B77A0A5D@firstdbasource.com>  H I have recently seen an HTMLtoPDF converter that might be used for this.J I will need to dig up the specifics and whether or not there is some way..  ' WAG on what the syntax would look like:   H pipe htmltopdf <some switches and filenames> sys$output | print sys$pipe /que=<appropriate que>  G but then again, you might need some sort of a symbiont that understandsn PDF format... oh well....t   Michael Austin...   
 Benito wrote:    > Hello,H > I have 350 html files that I would like to print from Vms.  I want theF > print output to be as if I was viewing it on a browser.  So I do notE > want to do $print htmlfile.html since this would print the tags.  I F > also do not want to convert the .html file to .txt format since this> > would not print whatever fonts, etc. the html file has.  Any: > suggestions would be appreciated.  Thank you in advance. >o > Benito   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:53:30 -0700y+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>a/ Subject: Re: Print HTML files directly from VMS ' Message-ID: <4096DB7A.8070104@MMaz.com>r   Michael Austin wrote:r  I >I have recently seen an HTMLtoPDF converter that might be used for this.MK >I will need to dig up the specifics and whether or not there is some way..p >t( >WAG on what the syntax would look like: >nI >pipe htmltopdf <some switches and filenames> sys$output | print sys$pipe- >/que=<appropriate que>- >-H >but then again, you might need some sort of a symbiont that understands >PDF format... oh well.... >j >  S >aI Perhaps what you really want to look for is a HTML rendering engine that 1G can output Postscript so you can send the resulting output directly to  G the printer...  There is html2ps which I believe is Perl based and you  4 could consider that as a working solution/project...     Barryt   -- p  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        l   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 08:27:47 +03000 From: "Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> Subject: Re: T4 and TLViz , Message-ID: <40972a6f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  2 Please send mail to t4@hp.com and request the kit.   Guym3 "tr dorr" <dorrt@sutterhealth.org> wrote in message-7 news:59b7bbb8.0405030913.7b8189d2@posting.google.com... A > In the use of T4 HP engineering uses TLViz and CSVPNG which are  > graphic converters. 2 > Does anyone know where to find TLViz and CSVPNG?@ > Evidently HP engineering uses TLViz when doing a Health Check.D > Can anyone in HP engineering provide information on how to get the% > graphic utilities TLViz and CSVPNG? 	 > Thanks,n > Tom    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:52:24 -04002 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>* Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists3 Message-ID: <tazlc.207$Ny6.530@mencken.net.nih.gov>h  L I used this feature in 1999 to send to about 1000 distinct addresses, and itE seemed to work OK.  If memory serves, you enter one address per line,aJ placing them in a file called yourlistname.dis.  Thereafter, when you send6 SMTP mail to a machine with this list defined, i.e. toE yourlistname@your.domain.name, the queue forwards your message to all I entries in the list leaving the From: header intact.  I don't see why you3I couldn't add local addresses to the list, but I don't remember explicitlyo testing that possibility.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 18:51:36 GMT76 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net>2 Subject: Re: VMS opportunities HP misses every day> Message-ID: <Ywwlc.44312$bA5.11275@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>   One more ad:  J Monday morning, generic office building lobby, a modest line at the coffee standn  L Elevator opens and red eyed IT actor stumbles to the line.  "What a weekend,C I've been here since Friday night trying to the new worm out of our 	 network."   G Coworker:  "I've been here since Thursday morning trying to restore thee" e-mail backups on the third floor"   "Double expresso"o  0 "Wake up blaster with a double shot of espresso"  C Third player walks in from the main door and they ask "How was your 	 weekend?"t  G "My daughter's team made the soccer finals and I took the family to thea movies on Sunday"   3 "Didn't you have the big operating system upgrade?"   K "The VMS upgrade?  I did that too.  I'm on my way to airport to upgrade the:J remote site tonight, management feels better if I go there.  Oh a de caffe please.. ."i     -- y     Andy Bustamantet Remove the ASCII 95s for e-mailp    7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messageu3 news:c722hc$hdhu4$1@ID-132135.news.uni-berlin.de...t > John Smith wrote:h >H > <snip for brevity> >s > >  > > <TV ad>  > >eJ > > Multiple tekkie types going nuts downloading and patching server after > > server.h > > J > > Big Boss talking to IT head: "This is crazy. It's costing us a fortuneJ > > having all these people patching everything all there time. Our serverK > > infrastructure is killing our business. I don't care what it takes, fixe it > > now!!!"r > >c > > 2 weeks later....  > >eL > > Big Boss walks into glass house. Server farm is gone. One rack standing. A G > > few tech guys playing frisbie in the empty space in the glass house  > >aK > > Big Boss to IT head: "What's going on? Microsoft fix up it's act, huh?"a > >pJ > > IT head: "Actually no. We fixed our server infrastructure permanently.J > > Reliability is way up, patches are non-existent; viruses & worms are a thingkF > > of the past. We laid off 50% of our staff. All of our web and mail servers I > > have been switched over to OpenVMS from HP. All our file servers too.h Pieced
 > > of cake."  > >9K > > Big Boss: "Great work, Griswold. You can expect a big bonus this year."v > >eC > > Voiceover: "OpenVMS from HP has been providing enterprise-classf	 security,sH > > throughput, and reliability for the world's largest corporations for over 25l= > > years. Now available at a price every company can afford.s > >i? > > Call 1-800-OPENVMS or visit us online at www.hp.com/openvmsaJ > > (also www.hp.com/reliability , www.hp.com/security , www.hp.com/24x7 ) > >f > > </TV ad>. > > (c) 2004, John Smith. All Rights Reserved. > >' > >  > >r > > <TV ad>d >tB > Here's some raw material for your imagination to work with John. >bI > And to lend it all some official credibility, "As Per Recommendation ofe% > Her Majesty's Secret Services, MI5"n >w* > http://www.mi5.gov.uk/output/Page55.html >, > "ELECTRONIC ATTACK >c > ...  > Malicious software >aH > The techniques and effects of malicious software (e.g. viruses, worms,H > Trojans) are as variable as they are widely known.  The growing use ofJ > email, of interconnectivity between systems, of external contractors andE > of remote access (i.e. for home-working) mean that virus infections J > spread ever more widely and rapidly.  Most dangerous are those concealedD > in legitimate software or inserted into systems during production. >cG > <Not a problem if you have VMS. James Bond references as appropriate>w >e$ > Malicious modification of hardware > G > Computer hardware can be modified so as to mount or permit an attack. F > This is normally done at the point of manufacture or supply prior toG > installation, though it could also be done during maintenance visits.aI > The purpose of such modifications would be to allow a subsequent attackbJ > to be made, possibly by remote activation.  The level and sophisticationF > of the attack would depend partly on the location of manufacture andJ > supply; the threat is greater from those systems made, supplied from, or > maintained from overseas.o >r >hF > <All the more reason to pick a supplier who has a longstanding track: > record of rigorous testing before products are released> >n' > <Ed: Ooh, can we say offshoring? ;-)>  > ...  >e > WHAT YOU CAN DOs >nE > Each attack is particular.  Therefore advance advice is necessarily6 > general and procedural.0 >.I >      * Acquire your systems from reputable manufacturers and suppliers. : >        Cheaper options may be expensive in the long run. >s
 > ...etc." >n   ------------------------------   Date: 3 May 2004 13:12:10 -0700 % From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips)a2 Subject: Re: VMS opportunities HP misses every day= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0405031212.487edce4@posting.google.com>   W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<Fv-dnfNsSt_wRQ_dRVn-jg@igs.net>...f/ > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105_2-5202236.htmld >  [...] L > A small Alpha with OpenVMS, MX, Apache/Tomcat, Samba, MySQL, (PDMF, or theJ > now abandoned HP mail thingy), a couple of pretty GUI tools to admin theK > thing, all configured and sold as a turnkey "appliance", sort of like the- > Sun/Cobalt stuff was.o > M > Sold in 1 CPU, dual CPU, or multiple CPU configurations, with/without RAID.:F > Starting at <$1000 USD or thereabouts, complete with PDF versions ofJ > out-of-print VMS books that the copyright has been bought out, and other3 > more current documentation for the supplied apps.b > G > Some scheme for annual maintenance of the software components for theeH > 'appliance', o/s and apps, or even simpler - whatever you paid for theI > machine is a one year lease, return it after 1 year freight prepaid, or6L > renew the lease for 50% of the 1st year fee. Security patches supplied forM > free via download; point releases with additional functionality cost extra.a > K > Sold in Best Buy, CompUSA, Fry's, Sears, Pep Boys, Safeway, your local GMiH > dealer, LL Bean catalog, Boy Scouts & Girl Guides as door-to-door fund > raiser, etc... >  [...]a  B Sure. I said things similar to this years ago in another forum andC it's been said by others. But, neither DEC, CPQ nor HP had/have anyhE interest in marketing VMS to the unwashed masses. VMS has always beenh@ "only for the enlightened" and its true potential has never been recognized by its creator.  D Back in the 80's when we were a DEC OEM targeting the small-midsizedE business, our OEM rep stated bluntly that (paraphrased) "DEC believes D there will be no market to mid-sized businesses in the future. ThereE will be small businesses that will use PC's and large businesses that F will use VMS. Pick one market or the other." That was their foundation, belief and that is how they built the house.  < Alpha servers are grouped into three basic sizes: Workgroup,D Departmental and Enterprise. No "small business" server for VMS. TooD bad because as you've said above, it really wouldn't be that hard to2 package up an off-the-shelf plug-in-and-go system.  D Also, long ago, I commented that if DEC would bundle in an unlimitedD VMS user license (or elimintate user licenses completely) they wouldA sell more systems and make more money in the long run. Not that Ik@ think this is related, but shortly after I said that DEC startedD packaging Digital UNIX with unlimited licenses. Those system's sales) picked up and quickly ate into VMS sales.n  F I have lost business because of VMS's outrageous licensing charges. ItA costs (US)$377 to add one user license to a small system. Current 2 unlimited licenses list at (US) $12,000/workgroup,5 $33,756/departmental, $50,634/enterprise. Outrageous.   F There are over 1,300 manufacturers in my surrounding metro area. AboutC 75% of those employee under 50 people. Some of them are our clientss> running our software on small Alphas with from 2 to 40 averageE interactive users. They would not be doing so if they hadn't been oure= customers for a long time, some since PDP days, because it isi? impossible to sell a new Alpha to that user base today. Our newmE customers of that size run on Wintel because that's what they demand. D They demand Wintel because that is what they know about, and that isF what they have when we meet them. Because of marketing and advertisingC maybe? Doesn't matter. HP won't try to sell VMS to a customer whose / *needs* can be satisfied by Wintel/Linux/HP-UX.   ( And that, my friends, is really too bad.    Dougl   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:01:07 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Re: VMS opportunities HP misses every day, Message-ID: <SKedna0bvaKYOAvdRVn-tw@igs.net>  A "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> wrote in messaget8 news:Ywwlc.44312$bA5.11275@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com... > One more ad: >oL > Monday morning, generic office building lobby, a modest line at the coffee > standu >gE > Elevator opens and red eyed IT actor stumbles to the line.  "What ae weekend,E > I've been here since Friday night trying to the new worm out of oury > network.") >iI > Coworker:  "I've been here since Thursday morning trying to restore the $ > e-mail backups on the third floor" >s > "Double expresso"d >a2 > "Wake up blaster with a double shot of espresso" >uE > Third player walks in from the main door and they ask "How was youre > weekend?"o > I > "My daughter's team made the soccer finals and I took the family to thei > movies on Sunday"  >f5 > "Didn't you have the big operating system upgrade?"r > I > "The VMS upgrade?  I did that too.  I'm on my way to airport to upgraden theoL > remote site tonight, management feels better if I go there.  Oh a de caffe
 > please.. ."o    	 Good one!v  ' Perhaps the last paragraph should read:iG "The OpenVMS upgrade?  I did that too, just before I left the office on I Friday night, between 5 and 6pm.  I'm on my way to airport to upgrade thecK remote site tonight - I could just as easily do it from home but management L feels better if I go there - somehow they still think that you have to pressD ctrl-alt-delete on the keyboard attached to the system.  Oh, a decaf please.. ."e    K [ Either way, end it with..." No viruses, no worms, no ctrl-alt-delete, alllK add up to one thing.... no problems. OpenVMS - the serious operating systemS% for serious businesses of all sizes."-  L Fade to HP logo and contact telephone number and web link www.hp.com/openvms, (c) 2004, John Smith. All Rights Reserved. ]   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 22:17:06 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: VMS opportunities HP misses every day* Message-ID: <c76csp$2ij8$1@news.wplus.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:SKedna0bvaKYOAvdRVn-tw@igs.net... >gC > "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> wrote in messagee: > news:Ywwlc.44312$bA5.11275@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com... > > One more ad: > >nG > > Monday morning, generic office building lobby, a modest line at thea coffee	 > > stando > >eG > > Elevator opens and red eyed IT actor stumbles to the line.  "What a 
 > weekend,G > > I've been here since Friday night trying to the new worm out of ouri
 > > network."w > >nK > > Coworker:  "I've been here since Thursday morning trying to restore thec& > > e-mail backups on the third floor" > >a > > "Double expresso"g > >n4 > > "Wake up blaster with a double shot of espresso" > >.G > > Third player walks in from the main door and they ask "How was your_
 > > weekend?"c > >(K > > "My daughter's team made the soccer finals and I took the family to thep > > movies on Sunday"v > > 7 > > "Didn't you have the big operating system upgrade?"w > >nK > > "The VMS upgrade?  I did that too.  I'm on my way to airport to upgrades > thesH > > remote site tonight, management feels better if I go there.  Oh a de caffe  > > please.. ."  >  >  > Good one!t > ) > Perhaps the last paragraph should read:)I > "The OpenVMS upgrade?  I did that too, just before I left the office onsK > Friday night, between 5 and 6pm.  I'm on my way to airport to upgrade theeB > remote site tonight - I could just as easily do it from home but
 managementH > feels better if I go there - somehow they still think that you have to pressvF > ctrl-alt-delete on the keyboard attached to the system.  Oh, a decaf
 > please.. ."n >s <SNIP>  K Don't know if  we should do the dig at management thing, that might put the ! execs who will be buying VMS off.n  @ We could just say he needs to put the VMS CD in the drive in theL remote box. (And no he doesn't have an infoserver at the site he is normally at).   Alex   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.246 ************************ you're using, but Oracle > Rdb tends to have roo resource names sta