1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 05 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 248       Contents:# Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call # Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call # Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call  An RMS feature I wish for  Re: An RMS feature I wish for  Re: An RMS feature I wish for   Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2% Re: Another VMS marketing opportunity , Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit CXX installation failure on VAX # Re: CXX installation failure on VAX % Disk mounts only in write-locked mode ) Re: Disk mounts only in write-locked mode  Re: ES-40 (2 Fibre Channels)P Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotP Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quot> Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... Intel IA-64 Assembler  Re: Intel IA-64 Assembler   Re: microvax - decserver problem  Re: microvax - decserver problem& Re: Print HTML files directly from VMS& RE: Print HTML files directly from VMS RRD46 tray won't stay in Re: RRD46 tray won't stay in Re: RRD46 tray won't stay in Re: T4 and TLViz  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2004 13:40:35 -0700 ' From: jbecker@ui.urban.org (Jim Becker) , Subject: Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call= Message-ID: <c113b52c.0405041240.12c939cb@posting.google.com>     Sigh. This went well, didn't it?  C Here's what I've learned. The message went out to "work" numbers in B the Encompass database. The thinking was that an overnight messageD (overnight for the vast majority of people to be contacted) would be less intrusive.   A The catch is that the assumptions weren't all that accurate. Many D people use their home number as their work number, or they get pagedC if their work number receives a call after hours, or they work late C anyway. My boss was complaining (slightly) because she assumes that ; any late-night calls on her work number represent bad news.   D As to the internationalization issue -- it's always midday somewhereD -- I'm told the campaign went to U.S. numbers only, so it really was* an overnight call for the target audience.  F Encompass HQ staff members have been calling to apologize to those who' were known to have been inconvenienced.   ! If you'll allow some good news...   A There was a big spike in survey participation after the overnight E call. Those who proposed the campaign said other groups have used the > method with great success and zero complaints, and it's fairly inexpensive too.   Lessons learned for next time.   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) ' Encompass (http://www.encompassus.org/) . ESILUG (http://encompasserve.org/lugs/esilug/)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 20:53:33 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, Subject: Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call6 Message-ID: <4098491D.AE3BF925@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Chris Francis wrote: > E > I also received this call. I called Encompass the following morning F > and left a message indicating how displeased I was with their timingF > of this call, and I requested to be put on their Do Not Call List. IG > received an e-mail from them later that day. They apologized and said E > that the intention was to call work numbers after hours so that the A > message would be waiting for everyone in their voicemail boxes.   D Yeah - I made that same blunder, back when the DFW guys first raisedH their hackles at my complaint that hobbyists ($0 VMS revenue) were beingG favored over SOHOs ($XX,XXX,XXX VMS and hardware reveue). I called what F I thought was Pat J'.s work number - and wound up waking him up circa. 22:30 or so.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:02:47 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, Subject: Re: 11:05 PM Encompass Wake Up Call6 Message-ID: <40984B47.8FD0F13F@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Jim Becker wrote:  > [snip]C > There was a big spike in survey participation after the overnight  > call.   E Likely attributable to the e-mail message sent out about a week or so % prior to the fiasco. Unreliable data.   A > Those who proposed the campaign said other groups have used the 0 > method with great success and zero complaints,  ? Like as not, similar elements in their database were a bit more 	 reliable.   G See, part of what we can't seem to drive home to the VMS powers-that-be G is that a fair few VMS people "bottom feed" off of what little VMS work F can still be found in the market-at-large. As such, some of us tend toH use our "doing business as" identity for professional org.'s and use our6 home office number as our "work number" is such cases.  C Others who actually work for a "real" entity have their reasons for H preferring to use their home phone, for reasons ranging from convenience to office politics and beyond.   > and it's fairly  > inexpensive too.  A Well, given the amount of flack generated, what was the REAL ROI?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2004 14:31:45 -0700 % From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) " Subject: An RMS feature I wish for= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0405041331.5ae2624a@posting.google.com>   E RMS/FDL KEY definition, a way to index only records having a specific ) matching string or value. Something like:    KEY n  [...]   IDKEY_VALUE      "01"  IDKEY_POSITION   20 [...]   D That would index only records having "01" in position 20. This wouldD be the exact opposite from a NULL_KEY definition. It could be called/ anything, IDKEY was just what popped into mind.   D I've only wished for this for a couple of decades. Some files cannot/ be "normalized" and must use record type codes.   E Just a wish said outloud. Every time I have to setup an alternate key A to access a specific record type I cringe at the wasted indexing.  Today I cringed twice;-)    Doug    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 01:20:57 -0400- From: "heuveltjes" <heuveltjes@email.msn.com> & Subject: Re: An RMS feature I wish for, Message-ID: <40987a3f$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  9 Try as I might, I'm afraid I can not fully appreciate you  problem/suggestion. E Perhaps a little more concrete data and/or examples will help me (and  others?) understand better? 2 Some possible question to help you explain more...  L 1) Is the whole key-n going to be defined by that idkey_position value or isL that sort of a pre-amble and it opens up a normal further key definition? So& the whole key might be pos-21, len-10.L 2) What percentage of a file would typically have this special key? 1%, 10%, 50%, 90%, 99% ? I 3) How big a file are we typically talking about? Thousands of records or 	 millions? K 4) Are you sure you should not simply split the file in two (or more files) L based on the idkey values in the records? Then one could have the additional key, the other(s) not.J 5) Are you sure you can not use a null-key? I realize null keys are ratherC restricted, with just one byte defined for each key field position. I Sometimes you have to sacrificy a desireable data value like "no customer L number" and replace it by all spaces to make a nullkey work. The applicationB then has translate teh all spaces to a nice string before display.K 6) you are not going to have lots of records (more then a few hunderd) with I the same key value and run into duplicate key chain problems are you now? B Check out my article on those in the OpenVMS Technical Journal V2:7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v2/index.html > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v2/articles/rms.htmlH 7) how many trigger/notrigger values (you suggest just 1 trigger value).J 8) did you ever get to actually measure the overhead you are so afraid of?   Cheers,  Hein.     2 "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> wrote in message7 news:af0dc2ea.0405041331.5ae2624a@posting.google.com... G > RMS/FDL KEY definition, a way to index only records having a specific + > matching string or value. Something like:  >  > KEY n  > [...]  >  IDKEY_VALUE      "01" >  IDKEY_POSITION   20 > [...]  > F > That would index only records having "01" in position 20. This wouldF > be the exact opposite from a NULL_KEY definition. It could be called1 > anything, IDKEY was just what popped into mind.  > F > I've only wished for this for a couple of decades. Some files cannot1 > be "normalized" and must use record type codes.  > G > Just a wish said outloud. Every time I have to setup an alternate key C > to access a specific record type I cringe at the wasted indexing.  > Today I cringed twice;-) >  >  Doug    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 01:30:18 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>& Subject: Re: An RMS feature I wish for2 Message-ID: <Hp-dnWLPF6ZR5gXdRVn-gg@metrocast.net>  2 "DL Phillips" <whohe@whoever.com> wrote in message7 news:af0dc2ea.0405041331.5ae2624a@posting.google.com... G > RMS/FDL KEY definition, a way to index only records having a specific + > matching string or value. Something like:  >  > KEY n  > [...]  >  IDKEY_VALUE      "01" >  IDKEY_POSITION   20 > [...]  > F > That would index only records having "01" in position 20. This wouldF > be the exact opposite from a NULL_KEY definition. It could be called1 > anything, IDKEY was just what popped into mind.  > F > I've only wished for this for a couple of decades. Some files cannot1 > be "normalized" and must use record type codes.  > G > Just a wish said outloud. Every time I have to setup an alternate key C > to access a specific record type I cringe at the wasted indexing.  > Today I cringed twice;-)  ' I'm curious, and not sure I understand.   J The example above appears to be specific to a particular key - i.e., you'dK still need a separate alternate index for each record type that you wish to L index.  True, you need space defined in every record for every such key (allK but one of which will contain the defined null key value for a given record G type), but unless there are a great many of them this should not be too J burdensome, and the RMS record compression facilities should help there as well.   K Another option is to use your record type code as the most significant byte B of a single, shared key:  this results in a single alternate indexH partitioned by record type.  If some records don't want to be indexed atJ all, just duplicate the type code byte such that unindexed records can use+ the null key value in the leading key byte.   K I don't know whether it was the advent of Rdb that more or less stopped RMS G development, but a lot of interesting potential features that we talked B about back around 1978 - 80 just never got implemented (though keyG compression and IIRC single-key, no-RFA files did).  One such (I think, H unless it's something I came up with later) was the ability to associateK arbitrary keys (potentially including multiple instances in the same index) F with each record - an 'external key' mechanism rather than the currentF embedded-key variety, which among other uses and in conjunction with aG no-primary-key file, where records were organized in a flexibly-managed L bucket chain, would have provided the kind of multi-record-type support that I think you'd like.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:06:35 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: Another sneak preview - V8.2 6 Message-ID: <40984C2B.69F2DAE1@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Rob Brooks wrote:  > ? > koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: 5 > >"Guy Peleg" <guy.peleg@remove_this_hp.com> writes:  > >>+ > >> Here is another sneak preview of V8.2:  > >>2 > >> We have added a CTRL-T AST routine, to report& > >> the progress of a COPY operation. > > F > >    How about wildcards for $trnlnm (name and/or table) and $getuai2 > >    (username)?  Those would be really usefull. > H >         Certainly not  for  V8.2; we're getting pretty close to  fieldG > test, and are limiting the introduction of new code as we prepare for 
 > field test.   H How 'bout a post-release patch, and a back-port as far back as feasible?	 (V5.5-2?)    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 23:15:36 GMT 4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>. Subject: Re: Another VMS marketing opportunity0 Message-ID: <40982450.CB49AEFF@blueyonder.co.uk>   Paul Repacholi wrote:  > & > labadie <labadie_g@decus.fr> writes: > H > > If I was CEO of this bank who needs to close a few days because of a3 > > virus, I would fire imeediately the head of IT.  > D > It was on the news that Westpac was down this morning from Sasser.B > And one of the US airlines was dead in the water for 6 hrs or so; > due to a computer outage. Wonder what the total cost was?  >   E Also UK Coastguard, British Airways, Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Post,  see:  1 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3683553.stm   ? When will this madness stop? Will "Microsoft causes food riots" D headlines be far enough ? Of course, they or the people who deployed< susceptible systems wont be blamed by the media,  the "evil" virus writers will.      regards   B PS Will consult on VMS systems for food but a nice fat wedge would
 be better :-)    PPS Linux is not the answer:-) --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 22:22:53 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 5 Subject: Re: Billions wasted due to IT skills deficit , Message-ID: <MOKdnVNz7f2fzQXdRVn-uQ@igs.net>  ; "Beach Runner" <BeachRunner@cfl.rr.nospam> wrote in message 7 news:gUJlc.558363$Po1.251920@twister.tampabay.rr.com...  >  >  > Dirk Munk wrote: >  > > John Smi > >  > >> > >>= > >> Every legal system has its own set of horror stories and  > >> inefficiences, but L > >> on the whole it appears that the US legal system has more than its fairF > >> share of ridiculously high cost judgements against defendants who shouldH > >> never have been in court in the first place - the Arizona woman who
 > >> droveA > >> with a hot cup of McDonalds coffee beween her thighs and was  > >> surprised, and D > >> scaled, when she squeezed her thighs and the coffee spilled out > >> (about $5MM > >> in damages) - > > I > There's another side to this story. McDonalds had been warned they were  > keeping their J > coffee MUCH hotter than industry standards, Making it dangerous, that it > would burnE > immediately, unlike industry standards. However, it kept the coffee  > fresher. They balancedH > the risk of negligence, knowing that they were endangering people with > the increased profit.  >  > Know the whole story.     J Any clown who comes up to a drive-thru window (as the woman in the lawsuitI did), places a cup of hot coffee between her thighs and then squeezes her J thighs together has to expect that she's going to get scalded. I'd have toI say that your average moron would probably understand that instinctively.   F Moral of the story that should have been learned: Don't put hot coffee0 between your legs unless you want to get burned.  L Moral of the story as demonstrated by the jury: Complete morons can get rich  through the stupidity of a jury.  ) [Now back to our c.o.v lesson-of-the-day] H Which leads to the lesson learned by HP OpenVMS adverttising & marketingG dept: Do nothing to advertise your product and HP will still give you a K paycheck. Do something to advertise and effectively market your product and  you'll get a pink slip.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 20:14:29 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: CXX installation failure on VAX$ Message-ID: <c78tj5$its$1@online.de>   VMS 7.3, all patches:   ? %VMSINSTAL-E-INSDFAIL, The installation of CXX V5.6 has failed.   O ******************************************************************************* I %VMSINSTAL-E-INSDFAIL, See DSA122:[SYS0.SYSUPD.CXX056]VMIDEFER_ERROR.DAT   for failure error O *******************************************************************************   4 $ TYPE DSA122:[SYS0.SYSUPD.CXX056]VMIDEFER_ERROR.DATI MOVE_FILE CXX$PH_TEMP VMI$ROOT:[CXX$LIB.REFERENCE.CXXL$DEF_H]COMPLEX.H; K   
 That's it!  
 Any ideas?  F I am seeing some errors on the CD drive, though I have been installingC other products from it for several hours now and there have been no C problems.  Perhaps the LAN got full.  In that case, I can try again  (perhaps from another drive).      ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 22:19:23 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) , Subject: Re: CXX installation failure on VAX/ Message-ID: <LFUlc.874$MY1.87@news.cpqcorp.net>   w In article <c78tj5$its$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: J :MOVE_FILE CXX$PH_TEMP VMI$ROOT:[CXX$LIB.REFERENCE.CXXL$DEF_H]COMPLEX.H; K :Any ideas?   E   A guess: How fragmented is the target system disk, and do you have  C   sufficient storage and particularly sufficient contiguous storage $   available to extend the directory?  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2004 11:39:04 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman). Subject: Disk mounts only in write-locked mode= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0405041039.6c9111df@posting.google.com>   E Why does this disk mount only write-locked? Not a major problem -- we B are replacing this disk anyway. I'm just curious as to why I can't9 mount it write-enabled? Even with MOUNT/WRITE it comes up 
 write-locked.   D It is an RZ26L inside a MicroVAX 3100 Model 80 running VMS v6.1. TheF disk is bad with unreadable portions as shown below. I discovered this> during a disk to disk BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY to this disk and theC verification pass showed numerous errors (sorry, I don't still have F the actual BACKUP verification error messages). Yes, it was the systemD disk as source but the errors showed up in a static application .EXEF file. So the disk is going bad. But why does VMS insist on mounting it write-locked? Just curious.      $ SH SYM MOUNT   MOU*NT == "MOUNT/NOASSIST" $ 
 $ SH DEV D   F Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free 	 Trans Mnt F  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks	 Count Cnt F ABCDEF$DKA200:          Mounted              0  OPENVMS061      992142	   330   1 . ABCDEF$DKA300:          Online               4 $ MOUNT DKA300 DATA1* %MOUNT-I-WRITELOCK, volume is write locked9 %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, DATA1        mounted on _ABCDEF$DKA300:  $ SH DEV DKA300/FULL   = Disk ABCDEF$DKA300:, device type RZ26L, is online, allocated, 
 deallocate on C     dismount, mounted, software write-locked, file-oriented device, 
 shareable,     error logging is enabled.    F     Error count                    4    Operations completed                730F     Owner process           "_NTA1:"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM];     Owner process ID        000004A1    Dev Prot             S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W F     Reference count                2    Default buffer size                 512F     Total blocks             2050860    Sectors per track                    83F     Total cylinders             3089    Tracks per cylinder                   8   F     Volume label             "DATA1"    Relative volume number                0F     Cluster size                   9    Transaction count                     1F     Free blocks               994500    Maximum files allowed            205086F     Extend quantity                5    Mount count                           15     Mount status             Process    Cache name     "_ABCDEF$DKA200:XQPCACHE" F     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache    99450B     File ID cache size            64    Blocks currently in extent cache      0F     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache        4583     Volume owner UIC        [SYSTEM]    Vol Prot     S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD    @   Volume status:  subject to mount verification, file high-water marking, write-        back caching enabled.   6 ! [Sorry about the wrap on this SH DEV/FULL output.] !   
 $ SH DEV D   F Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free 	 Trans Mnt F  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks	 Count Cnt F ABCDEF$DKA200:          Mounted              0  OPENVMS061      992142	   329   1 F ABCDEF$DKA300:          Mounted alloc        4  DATA1           994500	     1   1                          wrtlck  $ DIR DKA300:[VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]B %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening DKA300:[VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]*.*;* as input / -RMS-E-FND, ACP file or directory lookup failed  -SYSTEM-F-PARITY, parity error $   B These are sample error entries from during the BACKUP/IMAGE/VERIFY
 operation:  /  ******************************* ENTRY    1736.  ******************************* F  ERROR SEQUENCE 7990.                            LOGGED ON:        SID 12000003F  DATE/TIME 30-APR-2004 19:05:33.97                            SYS_TYPE 04010001  SYSTEM UPTIME: 0 DAYS 00:00:30 F  SCS NODE: ABCDEF                                              VAX/VMS V6.1   8  DEVICE ERROR  KA47  CPU FW REV# 3.  CONSOLE FW REV# 0.1   C  RZ26L SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _ABCDEF$DKA200:, CURRENT LABEL "OPENVMS061"            HW REVISION     44323434 9                                        HW REVISION = 442D         ERROR TYPE            05 C                                        EXTENDED SENSE DATA RECEIVED         SCSI ID               02 3                                        SCSI ID = 2.         SCSI LUN              00 4                                        SCSI LUN = 0.        SCSI SUBLUN           00 7                                        SCSI SUBLUN = 0.         PORT STATUS     00000001 ?                                        %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, NORMAL 
 SUCCESSFUL2                                         COMPLETION        SCSI CMD        1B671508                             0001 +                                        READ         SCSI STATUS           FF 9                                        NO STATUS RECEIVED         UCB$B_ERTCNT          19 <                                        25. RETRIES REMAINING        UCB$B_ERTMAX          27 <                                        39. RETRIES ALLOWABLE        ORB$L_OWNER     00010004 :                                        OWNER UIC [001,004]        UCB$L_CHAR      1C4D4008 ;                                        DIRECTORY STRUCTURED 4                                        FILE ORIENTED/                                        SHARABLE 0                                        AVAILABLE.                                        MOUNTED4                                        ERROR LOGGING7                                        CAPABLE OF INPUT 8                                        CAPABLE OF OUTPUT4                                        RANDOM ACCESS        UCB$W_STS           0000         UCB$L_OPCNT     000005D9 <                                        1497. QIO'S THIS UNIT        UCB$W_ERRCNT        0001 :                                        1. ERRORS THIS UNIT        IRP$W_BCNT          0200 A                                        TRANSFER SIZE 512. BYTE(S)         IRP$W_BOFF          0000 <                                        TRANSFER PAGE ALIGNED        IRP$L_PID       00010009 6                                        REQUESTOR "PID"  F  V A X / V M S        SYSTEM ERROR REPORT         COMPILED  4-MAY-2004 18:08:14E                                                                       	 PAGE   3.            IRP$Q_IOSB      008A4E35 E                        00000000        IOSB, 138. BYTE(S) TRANSFERRED   F  V A X / V M S        SYSTEM ERROR REPORT         COMPILED  4-MAY-2004 18:08:14E                                                                       	 PAGE   4.    /  ******************************* ENTRY    1737.  ******************************* F  ERROR SEQUENCE 7991.                            LOGGED ON:        SID 12000003F  DATE/TIME 30-APR-2004 19:05:34.70                            SYS_TYPE 04010001  SYSTEM UPTIME: 0 DAYS 00:00:31 F  SCS NODE: ABCDEF                                              VAX/VMS V6.1   8  DEVICE ERROR  KA47  CPU FW REV# 3.  CONSOLE FW REV# 0.1   C  RZ26L SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _ABCDEF$DKA200:, CURRENT LABEL "OPENVMS061"            HW REVISION     44323434 9                                        HW REVISION = 442D         ERROR TYPE            07 5                                        REASSIGN BLOCK         SCSI ID               02 3                                        SCSI ID = 2.         SCSI LUN              00 4                                        SCSI LUN = 0.        SCSI SUBLUN           00 7                                        SCSI SUBLUN = 0.         PORT STATUS     00000001 ?                                        %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, NORMAL 
 SUCCESSFUL2                                         COMPLETION        SCSI CMD        00000007                             0000 6                                        REASSIGN BLOCKS        SCSI STATUS           FF 9                                        NO STATUS RECEIVED      REASSIGN BLOCK DATA                           414F1500 @                                        DEFECT LOGICAL BLK ADDR = 00154F41(X)         UCB$B_ERTCNT          19 <                                        25. RETRIES REMAINING        UCB$B_ERTMAX          27 <                                        39. RETRIES ALLOWABLE        ORB$L_OWNER     00010004 :                                        OWNER UIC [001,004]        UCB$L_CHAR      1C4D4008 ;                                        DIRECTORY STRUCTURED 4                                        FILE ORIENTED/                                        SHARABLE 0                                        AVAILABLE.                                        MOUNTED4                                        ERROR LOGGING7                                        CAPABLE OF INPUT 8                                        CAPABLE OF OUTPUT4                                        RANDOM ACCESS        UCB$W_STS           0000         UCB$L_OPCNT     000005E4 <                                        1508. QIO'S THIS UNIT        UCB$W_ERRCNT        0002 :                                        2. ERRORS THIS UNIT        IRP$W_BCNT          0200 A                                        TRANSFER SIZE 512. BYTE(S)   F  V A X / V M S        SYSTEM ERROR REPORT         COMPILED  4-MAY-2004 18:08:14E                                                                       	 PAGE   5.            IRP$W_BOFF          0000 <                                        TRANSFER PAGE ALIGNED        IRP$L_PID       00010009 6                                        REQUESTOR "PID"        IRP$Q_IOSB      008A4E35 E                        00000000        IOSB, 138. BYTE(S) TRANSFERRED    followed by numerous      EXTENDED SENSE DATA           EXTENDED SENSE  000300F0                         0AA9FD0F                         00000000                         00030011                             0000 3                                        MEDIUM ERROR =                                        UNRECOVERED READ ERROR 	 messages.   
 [end of post]    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 19:29:50 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) 2 Subject: Re: Disk mounts only in write-locked mode0 Message-ID: <OaSlc.851$aX1.155@news.cpqcorp.net>  n In article <b096a4ee.0405041039.6c9111df@posting.google.com>, spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:F :Why does this disk mount only write-locked? Not a major problem -- weC :are replacing this disk anyway. I'm just curious as to why I can't : :mount it write-enabled? Even with MOUNT/WRITE it comes up :write-locked.  D   I'm mildly surprised there were no other messages during the mountF   (though the V6.1 SCSI driver stack and the supporting code is hugelyF   ancient, and pre-dates extensive SCSI work in V6.2 and numerous SCSIF   updates and SCSI improvements made in subsequent OpenVMS releases), F   but OpenVMS can and does occasionally bring a volume on-line when itE   cannot access certain of the disk structures, or when the responses $   back from the disk are unexpected.  A :So the disk is going bad. But why does VMS insist on mounting it  :write-locked? Just curious.  F   Bad hardware causes weird software behavour.  This is why constructsG   such as RAID, volume shadowing, and (if you think about it) lock-step    hardware all exist.   E   Those block re-assigns are ranges of blocks "going away", and being G   replaced with spares.  For some related bad block processing details, "   see Ask The Wizard topic (6926).  F   Since you are at an OpenVMS VAX V6 release, I'd tend to encourage anF   upgrade to a supported or more current release, such as V7.3.  (V7.0H   was not a major release on OpenVMS VAX, unlike V7.0 on OpenVMS Alpha.)  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:23:30 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>% Subject: Re: ES-40 (2 Fibre Channels) 6 Message-ID: <40985022.D01C9BFF@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: > f > brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) wrote in message news:<ZQ2r$W5C1Qyl@cuebid.zko.dec.com>...4 > > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: > > E > > > I have an ES-40 with two FCs. One is a Emulex LP-9000 (DGA) and 6 > > > the other is a KGPSA-DA (DGB) not in production.L > > > So we will migrate the disks from the DGA to the DGB, but we dont haveD > > > "window" to remove the DGA from the slot. I would like to knowH > > > if there is a way to change the names (DGn) of the FC controllers.3 > > > Or I will need to change the mount procedure.  > > & > > I do not understand your question. > > S > > ALL fibre channel disks are prefixed with $1$DGA.  While the Fibre PORT devices R > > do show up as PGA, PGB, PGC, etc . . ., that does not affect the actual device7 > > name of the LUN presented to VMS by the controller.  > I > Ok ! I tought the disks were renamed ! I installed an AS-4100 two years G > ago with two FC controllers in another site ! I checked the disks and 1 > they are all DGA in both controllers (PGA/PGB).   C Yes. It's rather like CI - you might have PNA0 and PNB0, but the CI  disks all appear as $n$DUAx:  > Note also that DGA disks will always be ALLOCLASS 1 ($1$DGAn:)   FC tapes are always $2$MGAn:.    Thought you'd wanna know...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:13:30 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>Y Subject: Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quot 9 Message-ID: <c78mgc$109al$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>    Keith Parris wrote: A > "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in ? > message news:<c6tp51$gd9on$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>... E >> In that case I hope you are telling the people who are deciding on ? >> the licensing structure of IA64. The last I saw Availability > >> Manager, ECP and OVMS Management Station (all free products; >> currently) will be included in the "Enterprise Operating D >> Environment" and the "Mission Critical Operating Environment" butB >> not in the "Foundation Operating Environment." IMHO those itemsE >> should be in the FOE, but the DECNet licenses should be in the EOEk >> and MCOE. >SG > While input and feedback as to what is appropriate to bundle into theIH > different levels of Operating Environments on Itanium is a good thing,G > keep in mind that any product a customer wishes can be added on an 'anE > la carte' basis to any OE the customer chooses as a starting point,y > albeit at some non-zero cost.m  H Right, but it seems to me that the FOE is aimed at clients who are doingF Internet/Java type development (like the OP I assume). Why would these? type of developers care about DECNet? But they would care about D Availability Manager (as Kerry's post points out). It really doesn'tH make a lot of difference to me, the customers I deal with will be in theD "Enterprise" (because of the Volume Shadowing) or "Mission Critical"G (when they want a cluster) Operating Environment, but every time I lookyE at the three environments I think that these items should be switched  around.4   -- V Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.- Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca3   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 20:49:49 -0500n@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>Y Subject: Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quots5 Message-ID: <4098483D.B239A1E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>a   Keith Parris wrote:a >  > "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<c6tp51$gd9on$1@ID-141708.news.uni-berlin.de>...hJ > > In that case I hope you are telling the people who are deciding on theI > > licensing structure of IA64. The last I saw Availability Manager, ECPaE > > and OVMS Management Station (all free products currently) will beiG > > included in the "Enterprise Operating Environment" and the "Mission H > > Critical Operating Environment" but not in the "Foundation OperatingG > > Environment." IMHO those items should be in the FOE, but the DECNeto+ > > licenses should be in the EOE and MCOE.g > G > While input and feedback as to what is appropriate to bundle into thetH > different levels of Operating Environments on Itanium is a good thing,G > keep in mind that any product a customer wishes can be added on an 'a E > la carte' basis to any OE the customer chooses as a starting point,e > albeit at some non-zero cost.c  H Well, that's fine - just understand that the customer making the request, will not fund the entire development effort.  4 The customer's job is define the need to the vendor.  , The vendor's job is to develop the solution.  C For example, if the vendor requests me to fund the development of a D feature, even though I'm not the only customer to request it, I willA expect to be paid a hefty royalty on each subsequent sale of that   feature to recoup my investment.   This is only fair...  A I'm not putting *ANY*one's kids through college, nor am I fundingpH *ANY*one's retirement on a single sale. That goes whether I'm the vendor or the customer.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/s   ------------------------------   Date: 4 May 2004 16:32:23 -0700a( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)G Subject: Re: How to turn linux into VMS - memory refresher for Dave ... = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0405041532.3ad3b8b0@posting.google.com>h   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c78dfr$c45$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...w > Bob Koehler wrote:o > > In article <20040501103835.17707.00000722@mb-m04.aol.com>, jealousxmp@aol.commonplace (jealous xmp) writes:n > > R > >>As I understand it, the usual stack overflows won't work on VMS because of theS > >>non-executable stack.  Not sure about heap overflows or format bugs.  I've seen 7 > >>a DCL script exploited on a web site before though.5 > >  > > J > >    A common mistake.  The usual stack overflows won't work because theJ > >    programmers are carefull enough not to put unchecked buffers on the
 > >    stack.i > >  > > R > >>There is/was a hardened (trusted even?) form of VMS.  I don't know the detailsE > >>and how this compares to some of the trusted and hardened unices.a > >  > > F > >    SeVMS.  Meets DOD security needs.  The only OS to do so without> > >    having been written from scratch just for that purpose. > >  > ( > Does it what level is it evaluated to. > : > Incedentally Trusted Solaris is not written from scratch: > its based on Solaris 8 the majority of Solaris 8 patches$ > can be applied to Trusted Solaris. > 	 > regardsn > Andrew Harrisong  ; how can it be trusted when you have to apply all those certe patches? :)r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 19:33:19 GMTe From: please.reply@to.the.group  Subject: Intel IA-64 Assembler1 Message-ID: <slrnc9fo8u.i22.danco@ns2.pebble.org>c  G Where can one obtain the binaries for the Intel Itanium Assembler (IAS)iF for the OpenVMS IA-64 platform.  One can download the sources from theH Intel developer website, but the build is particularly onerous.  I don'tI normally shy away from such builds, but this one looks to be a real pita.-J I have only a single Itanium assembly language module to write and compileI on the OpenVMS IA-64 platform, so I'd rather not spend a week just on theeC "building the assembler" step.  Someone must already have pre-built 2 binaries for the OpenVMS IA-64 platform available?  ' Posted here, so please reply here.  :-)E   - Dan.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 20:40:49 GMTd& From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>" Subject: Re: Intel IA-64 Assembler0 Message-ID: <ldTlc.861$152.575@news.cpqcorp.net>    please.reply@to.the.group wrote:I > Where can one obtain the binaries for the Intel Itanium Assembler (IAS)eH > for the OpenVMS IA-64 platform.  One can download the sources from theJ > Intel developer website, but the build is particularly onerous.  I don'tK > normally shy away from such builds, but this one looks to be a real pita. L > I have only a single Itanium assembly language module to write and compileK > on the OpenVMS IA-64 platform, so I'd rather not spend a week just on thetE > "building the assembler" step.  Someone must already have pre-builtI4 > binaries for the OpenVMS IA-64 platform available? > ) > Posted here, so please reply here.  :-)e >  > - Danr  G Yes, we have built the assembler. We wouldn't have OpenVMS I64 without u it. :-)   G Currently it is only available as a cross-assembler.  We still haven't aI been able to get it built with the native C++ compiler, but we're close. rF   However, it doesn't matter all that much to us since OpenVMS I64 is # still cross-built on OpenVMS Alpha.p  E If you have an account on the testdrive systems for OpenVMS I64, the lI matching OpenVMS Alpha machine should have the IAS cross-assembler on it.A  C I don't believe we have the cross-assmbler on the web anywhere for  G download.  We tried to move to all native compilers for V8.1, but this iA one is delayed due to its heavy use of C++ and the awkward build l environment.  I Our plans are to include the assembler in some form in V8.2.  Perhaps on iD a freeware cd or such.  We're not sure yet.  Any suggestions on the I packaging?  We aware that is it isn't our code and comes with a freeware yI license (not GPL however).  My vision to provide a precompiled binary as bI well as the source changes needed to get the assembler to build and work eC on OpenVMS.  Note that there are OpenVMS-specific needs in the ELF  I object file.  Even if where able to build the assembler as it comes from c= Intel, the resulting .OBJ files wouldn't work on OpenVMS I64.d  F Send me email and I'll see about getting you the cross-assembler.  If I others want it (send me email if you have a serious need), then I'll see )4 if I can get it on the web before the 8.2 timeframe.   --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leaderr Hewlett-Packard Companye   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 5 May 2004 10:42:42 +1000G From: "Christine Ricketts/Andrew Stewart" <christiner@uxnxixtxe.com.au> ) Subject: Re: microvax - decserver problem . Message-ID: <40983b36$1_1@news.iprimus.com.au>   Greetings Krzysztof,   [cut]u! > Everything was working fine butnI > one day when we came in the morning there was no communication with then? > line. After rebooting the system the errors like that appear:  >d( > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying LTA107: > -SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort > " > Starting application software... >r( > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying LTA102: > -SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort( > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying LTA103: > -SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort  = I haven't worked with terminal servers for nearly 4 years but I my gut feel is that the relevant port(s) is/are not configured correctly.-  ? That is, the DECserver port should be ACCESS: REMOTE or DYNAMICM- to allow parameters like speed to be changed.5  D > When the system is booted the application starts and automatically displays% > the user inteface on the terminals..  H If no VMS login sequence is required then once again port configuration.  = > In addition the  ERROR MOUNTING THE LINE LTA107 appears and I > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying LTAxxx are displayed for remaining ports  > where printers are connected.o  / Another hint that the ports are not configured.e  D This is a feature of DECservers to stop any system grabbing the port; and pretending must be the DECserver or another computer soi& usernames and passwords can be stolen.   -- Regards, Andy.  / 03-9808-9584 AH, 0407-300-818 Reasonable Hours.   ' "We only disagree on religious matters.v  I refuse to treat him like God." John Laws, about Alan Jones.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:20:48 -0500u@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: microvax - decserver problem 6 Message-ID: <40984F80.BB4401F8@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Krzysztof Karpio wrote:. > 
 > Dear AllM > We have the MicroVax 3100 and three therminals, two printers and  connectedo7 > through decserver300. The system communicates wit theeB > PLC 5 Allan Bradley drivers through device KF2B connected to theB > decserver300. Allan Bradley drivers control the production line.M > When the system is booted the application starts and automatically displayssE > the user inteface on the terminals. Everything was working fine buttI > one day when we came in the morning there was no communication with the ? > line. After rebooting the system the errors like that appear:d > ( > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying LTA107: > -SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort > " > Starting application software... > ( > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying LTA102: > -SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort( > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying LTA103: > -SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort > N > The terminal LTA107:  is the connection to the production line (through KF2B
 > device).$ > LTA102, LTA103 are terminals VT420 > = > In addition the  ERROR MOUNTING THE LINE LTA107 appears and(I > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying LTAxxx are displayed for remaining portso > where printers are connected.r > : > Do You have any idea what could be wrong and what to do?  E Based on what you describe, I'm guessing that some part of the systemrH went south overnight. Trying to guess what from a distance would be justG that - a guess. You'll need to enlist some local VMS talent to diagnose-9 the situation and find out how to avoid it in the future.3  K > I can login using the above terminals but there is no communication whichj6 > the line. I can not copy nor type to/from the ports, > for example: > copy file.txt LTA102:  > type LTA102:1 > Both command give error writing/reading device.B  - I'm assuming the second line of the error is:e -SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort   Correct?  K > Sitting at the terminal with the LOCAL> prompt I can use BROADCAST LTAxxxS6 > command and it works fine (displaying message on the > other's terminal screen).w  - You'll need to dig a bit deeper, I'm afraid. u  4 Does the DECserver have connectivity to the network?) - Try to CONNECT to it via MOP using NCP.r4 - Try to connect from the terminal to the VMS system  0 Is the LATACP process still present and running? - Try: $ SHOW SYSTEM/PROC=LAT*  E Is there any indication on the console terminal that VMS is not alive 	 and well?i  : I know, that doesn't help much; wish I could offer more...   -- l David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems/ http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 18:16:05 GMTr/ From: "Larry T." <larry-nospamx@jbmsystems.com>./ Subject: Re: Print HTML files directly from VMSe6 Message-ID: <F5Rlc.23795$wY.7470@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>   Hi,s  K Just converting to PDF could still loose font information (depending on thedK source and the converter you use).  If you converted the html to a viewable J image such as jpg or in the case of non-searchable pdf's - tiff, you wouldI have printable files.  I manufacture software (OctoTools) more orientatedoH for volume processing of text and report output and automatic conversionK into pdf for electronic disbursement.  In particular when bringing numeroushH files to "print" to my software (which resides on a windows system) fromH UNIX, AIX, VMS and other platforms, RPM from Brooks Internet Software isK used as the LPD to set up and manage print queues.  It does a very nice jobaE of interfacing the data so you may want to look into it.  It does notuF convert the html, you may need to search for that.  I hope this helps.   Larry T.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 11:41:51 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s/ Subject: RE: Print HTML files directly from VMSi9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEPMDCAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----6   From: Larry T. [mailto:larry-nospamx@jbmsystems.com]&   Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 11:16 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1   Subject: Re: Print HTML files directly from VMS        Hi,   ;   Just converting to PDF could still loose font informationh   (depending on theaB   source and the converter you use).  If you converted the html to   a viewableL   image such as jpg or in the case of non-searchable pdf's - tiff, you wouldK   have printable files.  I manufacture software (OctoTools) more orientatedDJ   for volume processing of text and report output and automatic conversion;   into pdf for electronic disbursement.  In particular when>E                           dispersement  otherwise you may be popular,s% but you won't stay afloat for long:-)r   bringing numerous J   files to "print" to my software (which resides on a windows system) fromJ   UNIX, AIX, VMS and other platforms, RPM from Brooks Internet Software is?   used as the LPD to set up and manage print queues.  It does aw   very nice jobeG   of interfacing the data so you may want to look into it.  It does notsH   convert the html, you may need to search for that.  I hope this helps.  
   Larry T.     ---c(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004   ---b& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:41:35 GMTh% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>N! Subject: RRD46 tray won't stay ind? Message-ID: <j6Ulc.2757$eH1.1589645@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>g  E I just tried to put a CD into an RRD46 and the tray closed, the lightlJ flashed a few times and the tray opened again.  I figured it must be a badF CD so I removed the CD and hit the button to close the tray.  The tray9 closed, the light flashed and then the tray opened again.b  E I've tried everything I can think of but I can't get the tray to stayuI closed.  Does anyone have any ideas? (Other than a well timed power off).>   Thanks,,   John Vottero   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 22:29:33 GMT*# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)*% Subject: Re: RRD46 tray won't stay in 0 Message-ID: <hPUlc.877$MY1.688@news.cpqcorp.net>  g In article <j6Ulc.2757$eH1.1589645@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:*F :I just tried to put a CD into an RRD46 and the tray closed, the lightK :flashed a few times and the tray opened again.  I figured it must be a bad G :CD so I removed the CD and hit the button to close the tray.  The trayt: :closed, the light flashed and then the tray opened again.  F   Software can open the drive door, so it's worth a look for processesE   with I/O channels open to the device.  That is unlikely, of course.   E   I'd tend to assume a drive hardware problem.  If the system and therG   RRD46 drive are covered under a hardware support contract, it appears    time to log a support call.M  B   I hesitate to recommend disassembly or repair, as CD drives are D   definitely not designed for such activities.  Disassembly tends toB   be less of a problem than repair and reassembly, of course.  :-)  B   If self-maintaining, I'd tend to assume it is now time to find aG   replacement drive.  For SCSI CD devices, at least some of the Plextor E   PlexWriter series CD-RW drives do tend to work with OpenVMS.  (They D   are not formally supported by OpenVMS, and may or may not work in A   your configuration, of course.)  If formal device support is a cA   concern, you'll want to find a replacement RRD-series CD drive,i   whether new or used.  N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqmN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 20:26:42 -0400 ' From: Stuart Fuller <stufuller@usa.net>o% Subject: Re: RRD46 tray won't stay ina0 Message-ID: <2cc97c.nrp.ln@dadsys2.fuller.local>   John Vottero wrote:L  G > I just tried to put a CD into an RRD46 and the tray closed, the lightrL > flashed a few times and the tray opened again.  I figured it must be a badH > CD so I removed the CD and hit the button to close the tray.  The tray; > closed, the light flashed and then the tray opened again.i > G > I've tried everything I can think of but I can't get the tray to staywK > closed.  Does anyone have any ideas? (Other than a well timed power off).o  L Set your coffee cup on it, and when the tray breaks off from the weight, go  buy a new drive.   -- S           StuV   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 21:10:35 -0500e@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: T4 and TLViz 5 Message-ID: <40984D1B.84E2084@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>P   Guy Peleg wrote: > 4 > Please send mail to t4@hp.com and request the kit. >  > Guy 5 > "tr dorr" <dorrt@sutterhealth.org> wrote in messaged9 > news:59b7bbb8.0405030913.7b8189d2@posting.google.com... C > > In the use of T4 HP engineering uses TLViz and CSVPNG which ares > > graphic converters.l4 > > Does anyone know where to find TLViz and CSVPNG?B > > Evidently HP engineering uses TLViz when doing a Health Check.F > > Can anyone in HP engineering provide information on how to get the' > > graphic utilities TLViz and CSVPNG?  > > Thanks,  > > TomI  ( T4 and TLViz are fine as far as they go.  D Remember, however, that T4 takes MONITOR output as its input, and as3 such, does not provide info. on memory utilization.f  F ...not that it would be that hard to accomplish in a marginal measure:H extract the free list size from the SYSTEM class, subtract that from theF total memory size and you have a (*VERY*!) rough estimate of mem. utl.   -- " David J. Dachterav dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.248 ************************