1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 07 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 252       Contents:7 2-4 slot 3rd party enclosure for HP "universal" drives? # Re: CXX installation failure on VAX # Re: CXX installation failure on VAX # Re: CXX installation failure on VAX 6 DEC/Compaq/HP C RTL v. multi-dot file/directory names?: Re: DEC/Compaq/HP C RTL v. multi-dot file/directory names?6 EVA disk is stuck in grouped/blank after disk failure.: Re: EVA disk is stuck in grouped/blank after disk failure.P Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotP Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotP Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotP Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quotP Re: Games from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (was re: Tetris assembleur VAX + SMG) + SMG)% Re: How to make HSZ40 devices visible + HP jumps to No. 11 spot on Fortune 500 List / RE: HP jumps to No. 11 spot on Fortune 500 List F HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be OpenVMSP Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be OpenVMS OpenV; HP World Magazine: HP Cuts More Costs, Faster Than Expected ? Re: HP World Magazine: HP Cuts More Costs, Faster Than Expected  J F in Jail 4 Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...< Re: looking for suggestions for new $GETDVI item codes . . .< Re: looking for suggestions for new $GETDVI item codes . . .  Re: microvax - decserver problem New PL/I kit for OpenVMS Re: New PL/I kit for OpenVMS OT: McDonald's coffee again & Re: Print HTML files directly from VMS Re: RRD46 tray won't stay in Re: RRD46 tray won't stay in Re: RRD46 tray won't stay in Re: RRD46 tray won't stay in	 Re: RWINS 	 Re: RWINS ! Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists ! Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists   Re: Trip down [core] memory lane  Re: Trip down [core] memory lane  Re: Trip down [core] memory lane  Re: Trip down [core] memory lane" Re: VMS-mailbox for TCP/IP-traffic5 Re: What Gigabit Ethernet cards are available for VMS 5 Re: What Gigabit Ethernet cards are available for VMS 5 Re: What Gigabit Ethernet cards are available for VMS ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) RE: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) RE: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 17:34:36 -0300 + From: Rodman S. Regier <rsr@hfx.andara.com> @ Subject: 2-4 slot 3rd party enclosure for HP "universal" drives?8 Message-ID: <5v7l90p7gbbr50evr30pj2eaabu4qim3uu@4ax.com>  6 Can anyone point me at a vendor and/or P/N for product+ that is a 2-4 slot version of the HP Model  * 4314T U3 enclosure for "universal" drives?     6 This is HP's offering, just so we're on the same page:   k http://h18006.www1.hp.com/products/servers/proliantstorage/drives-enclosures/4300enclosure/description.html   7 I am trying to build supported lower-cost OpenVMS/Alpha  system configurations,B but am encountering increasing issues because many of the enhanced@ disk drive features are only available in HP's universal drives,: not in their "brick" units.  Features like 15K and 22K RPM rotation rates, etc.  0 I am trying to avoid 3rd party disks themselves.   Thanks      @ ................................................................:        Posted via TITANnews - Uncensored Newsgroups Access2              >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<<@ -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 19:58:03 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply), Subject: Re: CXX installation failure on VAX$ Message-ID: <c7e5cb$ono$1@online.de>  @ In article <4099A91B.27483D46@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J.9 Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:     > > Most Fragmented File: @ > >         [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]BASIC$STARLET.TLB;1 (190 extents) > J > Ouch! There's a really BAD indicator! This file should be almost totallyF > static as it is provided by VMS and almost never updated. That meansJ > last time it was replaced, freespace fragmentation was phenomenally bad!   This surprised me as well.  G On this system, I did a fresh VMS 7.3 install last summer, on an 800-MB G disk---plenty of room.  No layered products except TCPIP.  For a while, H I moved to a 3.2-GB system disk, and then to a 2-GB disk.  Both of theseC transitions were done via image backups.  Even with just the 800 MB # disk, the disk was never very full.   % > I think it's BACKUP/restore time...   = Perhaps.  However, I've done that twice since installing VMS.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:22:23 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) , Subject: Re: CXX installation failure on VAX1 Message-ID: <zUymc.1035$zY3.162@news.cpqcorp.net>   w In article <c7a15j$4ld$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: E :In article <LFUlc.874$MY1.87@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff  :Hoffman) writes:  : z :> In article <c78tj5$its$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:M :> :MOVE_FILE CXX$PH_TEMP VMI$ROOT:[CXX$LIB.REFERENCE.CXXL$DEF_H]COMPLEX.H; K  :> :Any ideas? :>       OK, did some digging.        It's not disk fragmentation.  9   It's a conflict between the installations of C and C++.      Here's a workaround:  E     1: Extract COMPLEX from SYS$LIBRARY:DECC$RTLDEF.TLB, and save it.   P       libr/extract=complex/out=sys$scratch:complex.h SYS$LIBRARY:DECC$RTLDEF.TLB  6     2: Remove COMPLEX from SYS$LIBRARY:DECC$RTLDEF.TLB  5       libr/delete=complex SYS$LIBRARY:DECC$RTLDEF.TLB        3: Install Compaq C++   G     4: Reinsert the saved COMPLEX back into SYS$LIBRARY:DECC$RTLDEF.TLB   C       libr/insert SYS$LIBRARY:DECC$RTLDEF.TLB sys$scratch:complex.h     E   There is also apparently at least one ECO for the C++ V5.6 compiler G   for OpenVMS VAX, as well.  (I do not know if the ECO addresses this.)     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:53:42 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, Subject: Re: CXX installation failure on VAX6 Message-ID: <409ADE16.E2313091@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  > B > In article <4099A91B.27483D46@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J.: > Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: >  > > > Most Fragmented File: B > > >         [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]BASIC$STARLET.TLB;1 (190 extents) > > L > > Ouch! There's a really BAD indicator! This file should be almost totallyH > > static as it is provided by VMS and almost never updated. That meansL > > last time it was replaced, freespace fragmentation was phenomenally bad! >  > This surprised me as well. > I > On this system, I did a fresh VMS 7.3 install last summer, on an 800-MB I > disk---plenty of room.  No layered products except TCPIP.  For a while, J > I moved to a 3.2-GB system disk, and then to a 2-GB disk.  Both of theseE > transitions were done via image backups.  Even with just the 800 MB % > disk, the disk was never very full.  > ' > > I think it's BACKUP/restore time...  > ? > Perhaps.  However, I've done that twice since installing VMS.   . Well, BASIC$STARLET.TLB is still 190 extents.   ( You need to defrag this thing - *NOW*!!!  D ...and I screwed up. BASIC$STARLET.TLB comes with BASIC, doesn't it? ...not VMS?    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 23:18:39 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org? Subject: DEC/Compaq/HP C RTL v. multi-dot file/directory names? ) Message-ID: <04050623183906@antinode.org>   
 alp $ cc /ver ) Compaq C V6.5-001 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1    DEC AXPVMS VMS731_ACRTL V1.0  2    The documentation contains discouragement like:  E       The Compaq C RTL cannot translate UNIX file specifications with *       more than one period character (.).    and   7       UNIX file names have the following restrictions:    @          o Names containing special characters, such as multipleH            periods, caret, or multinational characters, may be rejected.  D    Is there any hope for relief from this soon?  In the mean time, IF assume that I'll need to VMS-ize the UNIX-like directory specificationG if I hope to get anything like the desired behavior (on an ODS5 volume) H of 'mkdir( "ab/cd.ef/gh", 0777);'.  (That is, 'mkdir( "[.ab.cd^.ef.gh]",	 0777);'.)   D    And, just for completeness, does anyone have a better translation
 than this:   ALP $ exit %x003580b4 # %C-F-NOMSG, Message number 003580B4   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 04:50:55 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> C Subject: Re: DEC/Compaq/HP C RTL v. multi-dot file/directory names? * Message-ID: <409B15AF.3000502@bigpond.com>   sms@antinode.org espoused:F >    And, just for completeness, does anyone have a better translation > than this: >  > ALP $ exit %x003580b4 % > %C-F-NOMSG, Message number 003580B4   / zen_FTA13> set mess SYS$COMMON:[SYSMSG]DECC$MSG  zen_FTA13> exit %x003580b4 %C-F-EINVAL, invalid argument    Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2004 22:35:32 GMT 7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) ? Subject: EVA disk is stuck in grouped/blank after disk failure. $ Message-ID: <2004May6.223532@hujicc>   Hello,  O   Following a disk failure on an EVA I have a problem: The disk failed (red led O litting) and had an X on it in the management appliance interface. Since it had N an X on it I could not ungroup it, thus I pulled it out and placed a new disk.O The new disk is in action (red LED is blonking with the others) but the disk is J still in X state. It is listed as grouped but the group name is blank thusI Ungroup fails. The disk group is on attention and I would like to make it C remove the disk and re-group it (as I am missing space at present).   L Any idea what to do? Local support says "EVA is fully automatic, don't touch anything"...6                                      Thanks, __Yehavi:   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:54:47 GMT 0 From: Michael Austin <nospam@firstdbasource.com>C Subject: Re: EVA disk is stuck in grouped/blank after disk failure. > Message-ID: <bKwmc.24720$1T6.17959@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>    Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279) wrote: > Hello, > Q >   Following a disk failure on an EVA I have a problem: The disk failed (red led Q > litting) and had an X on it in the management appliance interface. Since it had P > an X on it I could not ungroup it, thus I pulled it out and placed a new disk.Q > The new disk is in action (red LED is blonking with the others) but the disk is L > still in X state. It is listed as grouped but the group name is blank thusK > Ungroup fails. The disk group is on attention and I would like to make it E > remove the disk and re-group it (as I am missing space at present).  > N > Any idea what to do? Local support says "EVA is fully automatic, don't touch > anything"...8 >                                      Thanks, __Yehavi:  L what version of the firmware are you running on the EVA?  2.x, 3.0, 3.0.1.0?  D Sometimes there may be nothing wrong on the EVA itself, but the SAN E Appliance gets confused and just restarting the SAN Appliance or the  ' Command View service will correct this.   G IMHO, the EVA comes with support and you should be logging a call with  E them for the replacement of these disks.  That way, if anything goes   wrong, it is up to them to fix.   H Back to the firmware.  3.0.0.0 did have an issue that if a drive failed H in a particular manner, the drive would become a ghost.  not there, but E the system thinks it is there.  Upgrading to 3.0.10/14 would correct  D this.   Also, in order to go from 3.0 to 3.0.1.0 require a 4-5 hour H downtime to "scrub" the metadata. contact support for the details.  You C can also sign up for "phone home" where the EVA/SAN Appliance will  I automagically log the call to HP for you.   If you do upgrade, go to the     latest (3.0.14 I believe)    Regards, Michael Austin.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:01:49 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>Y Subject: Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quot * Message-ID: <2fvjtlF2t2aoU1@uni-berlin.de>   Barry Kierstein wrote: >...D >     Having said this, what are your opinions?  Enough opinions one$ > way or the other can swing things. >...  G Well, since you asked, here is what I saw as the current (revision 2.8)  plan;     2 OpenVMS I64 Foundation Operating Environment (FOE)   OpenVMS Operating System"   OpenVMS Unlimited User Licensing   TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS %   DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS  End System    DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS   DECnet IV    Performance Data Collector   Integration Technologies    - BridgeWorks    - COM for OpenVMS    - Secure Web Server (SWS)    - Secure Web Browser (SWB)     - SDK for the Java Platform     - XML Technology 
    - NetBeans 1    - Simple Object Access Protocol (SOAP) Toolkit 
    - Kerberos     - Enterprise Directory 	    - CDSA     - SSL    - OpenSource Tools   2 OpenVMS I64 Enterprice Operating Environment (EOE)   Add to Foundation:   RMSjournaling    VolumeShadowing    DECram!   OpenVMS System Management Tools     - OVMS Management Station&    - Enterprise Capacity Planner - ECP    - Availability Manager     - OpenVMS Web Agents     - OpenVMS WEBM/CIM   9 OpenVMS I64 Mission Critical Operating Environment (MCOE)   Add to Enterprise:    OpenVMS Clusters   OpenVMS RTR Backend   F To me the FOE looks like a Web/Java Developer's workstation, EOE would> be for a company that has VMS servers in place and needs a new@ departmental server, MCOE would be for people who need clusters.  H I would take the OpenVMS System Management Tools and move them into FOE.F Most (all??) of them are currently free in the VAX/Alpha VMS world andH ECP and Availability Manager would be useful tools for someone trying toD debug a program. I would also move both DECNet products into the EOEB since the people who buy this are probably going to have other VMS- machines around, where the FOE folks may not.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:36:14 GMT 0 From: "Barry Kierstein" <Barry.Kierstein@HP.Com>Y Subject: Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quot 1 Message-ID: <Oswmc.1018$%X3.369@news.cpqcorp.net>   J > Right, but it seems to me that the FOE is aimed at clients who are doingH > Internet/Java type development (like the OP I assume). Why would theseA > type of developers care about DECNet? But they would care about F > Availability Manager (as Kerry's post points out). It really doesn'tJ > make a lot of difference to me, the customers I deal with will be in theF > "Enterprise" (because of the Volume Shadowing) or "Mission Critical"I > (when they want a cluster) Operating Environment, but every time I look G > at the three environments I think that these items should be switched 	 > around.  >  > --   > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca  > I     There are various opinions up here as to what should go where, but at I least at the first pass the basic levels of HP-UX were used in setting up G what went where, as I understand it.  One can get the system management & piece of EOE in an a la carte fashion.I     Having said this, what are your opinions?  Enough opinions one way or  the other can swing things. I     BTW, a clarification.  As far as AM is concerned, the item in the I64 L PAK is the data collection part.  The display can be done anywhere (on a PC,I for instance, where there are no PAKs).  The PAK will turn on and off the ) ability to collect data from an I64 node.    Barry Kierstein    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:45:46 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>Y Subject: Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quot 6 Message-ID: <409ADC3A.E4AC3AA7@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Peter Weaver wrote:  >  > Barry Kierstein wrote: > >...F > >     Having said this, what are your opinions?  Enough opinions one& > > way or the other can swing things. > >... > I > Well, since you asked, here is what I saw as the current (revision 2.8)  > plan;  > 4 > OpenVMS I64 Foundation Operating Environment (FOE) >   OpenVMS Operating System$ >   OpenVMS Unlimited User Licensing >   TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS ' >   DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS  End System   >   DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS
 >   DECnet IV  >   Performance Data Collector Where's the analyzer?    >   Integration Technologies >    - BridgeWorks >    - COM for OpenVMS >    - Secure Web Server (SWS) >    - Secure Web Browser (SWB) ! >    - SDK for the Java Platform  >    - XML Technology  >    - NetBeans 3 >    - Simple Object Access Protocol (SOAP) Toolkit  >    - Kerberos  >    - Enterprise Directory  >    - CDSA 
 >    - SSL >    - OpenSource Tools ( Where's SAMBA? Part of OpenSource Tools?  4 > OpenVMS I64 Enterprice Operating Environment (EOE) >   Add to Foundation: >   RMSjournaling  >   VolumeShadowing 
 >   DECram# >   OpenVMS System Management Tools  >    - OVMS Management Station Useless.  ( >    - Enterprise Capacity Planner - ECP7 Not SPM or DCPA, but better than nothing (not by much).    >    - Availability Manager  AMDS is better.    >    - OpenVMS Web Agents  >    - OpenVMS WEBM/CIM  > ; > OpenVMS I64 Mission Critical Operating Environment (MCOE)  >  Add to Enterprise:  >   OpenVMS Clusters >   OpenVMS RTR Backend   @ So, it looks like almost everything that has the potential to be+ clustered will have to ship with MCOE, huh?    So much for affordability...   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:47:38 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>Y Subject: Re: Future of Availability Manager on IA64 (was Re: Tomcat / Java / process quot 6 Message-ID: <409ADCAA.C93DF181@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > { > In article <4099A4DE.A3D0482C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:  > >Keith Parris wrote: > >> > >> "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4098483D.B239A1E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...O > >> > Well, that's fine - just understand that the customer making the request 3 > >> > will not fund the entire development effort.  > >>3 > >> It's apparent I need to explain things better.  > >>@ > >> On Itanium, OpenVMS is gaining some sales packaging options' > >> shamelessly stolen from HP-UX (see C > >> http://www.hp.com/products1/unix/operating/choice/index.html).  > >>C > >> What's being proposed is a set of packages that bundle various G > >> combinations of the operating system, the former System Integrated J > >> Products like Shadowing and Clustering, and various other key layeredH > >> products, with each combination chosen to be what is expected to beJ > >> needed for a given class of customer, and with the package presumablyI > >> priced at an attractive discount compared with the sum of the prices K > >> of each individual product license. These bundles are called Operating G > >> Environments (OEs). While plans are still under discussion, last I I > >> heard, three levels of OEs were currently being proposed for OpenVMS : > >> on Itanium: Internet (or Foundation), Enterprise, andK > >> Mission-Critical. Each OE includes all the products in the previous OE G > >> in the list, plus more products. Exactly which products will be in ' > >> each OE is still under discussion.  > >>H > >> It's important to note that in addition to the OE bundles, licensesK > >> for each of the individual layered software products (and former SIPs) C > >> would still be available for purchase individually also. As an I > >> example, if you had a small system but really wanted it in a cluster @ > >> with Shadowing, you have several options: you could buy theK > >> Internet/Foundation OE and also buy Clustering and Shadowing licenses, J > >> or you could buy the Enterprise OE which includes Shadowing, and justD > >> add the Clustering piece, or you could buy the Mission CriticalE > >> Operating Environment which already includes both Clustering and  > >> Shadowing.  > > D > >Depends. If the pricing remains prohibitive, I won't be buying orJ > >selling any of it. If the pricing comes back down to earth, that is, to3 > >real-world, saleable levels, then it's possible.  > > K > >One of the (MANY!) lessons VMS needs to learn is that you make profit on K > >volume, not margin. Don't believe me? That's okay. Maybe Bill Gates made J > >his billions on the lottery, or maybe by selling Amway, or going to theI > >gambling boats, or conducting internet spam scams, or ... anything but % > >selling low margin on high volume.  > M > His billions, yeah.  His initial millions - well, there was a lot of margin M > in $500 per copy for a paper tape with a BASIC interpreter on it, and there H > weren't that many Altairs around at the time, so that looks to me like > high margin, low volume.  * BG always was a rip-off artist, wasn't he?  G Remember what "PCs" used to sell for? (About the price of a low-end new 9 car in their day). Wonder what the margin was on those...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 17:20:10 -0700 0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>Y Subject: Re: Games from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (was re: Tetris assembleur VAX + SMG) + SMG) ' Message-ID: <409a73ca$1@cpns1.saic.com>    Malcolm wrote:? > "Mark Berryman" <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com> wrote in message ! > news:408e52a3@cpns1.saic.com...  >  >>Malcolm wrote: >>J >>>Did no one archive all of the games off of ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu , which >  > now  >  >>>seems to have vanished? >>> J >>>I got as far as M (moria_443) :( But they had a Tetris game on there... >>> K >>>Was somewhat hampered by the fact that the ftp server they had there had  >  > a  > G >>>bug and would crash after I'd retrieved 70 or so files... Or I would  >  > have >  >>>had them all :( >>; >>I have a copy made 2 or 3 years ago.  Is that sufficient?  >> >>Mark Berryman  >> >  > M > Good, noted :) Just glad to know someone has a copy of them...! It would be * > nice if we could put them up somewhere.. > L > May be getting some webspace (100MB) if I ever get round to paying for it,  > and could put them up on that.  6 You could try: http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/vax_games/  
 Mark Berryman    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2004 12:31:26 -0700 ' From: steve.esson@esa.int (hieronymous) . Subject: Re: How to make HSZ40 devices visible= Message-ID: <fe9697fd.0405061131.313f197d@posting.google.com>   M > Are you sure the batteries are fine? They need to be replaced at least once  > every two years!!!  B The batteries are dead but the console says the writeback caching @ is disabled.   Shouldn't it work OK without them?  At the moment< it behaves like theres nothing on the end of the scsi cable.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2004 17:46:57 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) 4 Subject: HP jumps to No. 11 spot on Fortune 500 List= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0405061646.679ed02c@posting.google.com>   * From HP World Magazine, May 2004, page 34:  F "HP jumped three spots on the Fortune 500 list, from 14 in 2003 to 11,D with almost $73.1 billion in revenue. HP rival IBM was down one spot+ to no. 9, with revenues of $89.13 billion."    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:55:20 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: RE: HP jumps to No. 11 spot on Fortune 500 List9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEDNDDAA.tom@kednos.com>    Keith,  B Would you care to share with this group the organizational changesB that have taken place this week, and what the roles of TSG and CSG@ will be with respective VMS?  My understaning is that the formerB will be headed by Peter Blackmore and the latter by Ann Livermore.   Tom      -----Original Message-----:   From: Keith Parris [mailto:keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com]&   Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 5:47 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6   Subject: HP jumps to No. 11 spot on Fortune 500 List      ,   From HP World Magazine, May 2004, page 34:   H   "HP jumped three spots on the Fortune 500 list, from 14 in 2003 to 11,F   with almost $73.1 billion in revenue. HP rival IBM was down one spot-   to no. 9, with revenues of $89.13 billion."       --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2004 17:18:01 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) O Subject: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be OpenVMS = Message-ID: <cf15391e.0405061618.3d74c9ad@posting.google.com>   E Check out the positive coverage of OpenVMS disaster-tolerant clusters + in this month's issue of HP World Magazine.   * From HP World Magazine, May 2004, page 24:7 http://www.interex.org/hpworldnews/hpw405/features3.jsp   = "Most businesses have accepted that they need better business  continuity plans. B The question is not whether to do it, but how far to go." ... "For large 3 financial institutions, the answer may be OpenVMS."   E (And while it's true that many large financial institutions do indeed < depend on disaster tolerance from OpenVMS, many customers in: manufacturing, gaming, utilities, health care, government,E telecommunications, public safety, etc. have also found OpenVMS to be $ the answer for business continuity.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 20:04:01 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>Y Subject: Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be OpenVMS OpenV 6 Message-ID: <409AE081.CADCEA71@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Keith Parris wrote:  > G > Check out the positive coverage of OpenVMS disaster-tolerant clusters - > in this month's issue of HP World Magazine.  > , > From HP World Magazine, May 2004, page 24:9 > http://www.interex.org/hpworldnews/hpw405/features3.jsp  > ? > "Most businesses have accepted that they need better business  > continuity plans. D > The question is not whether to do it, but how far to go." ... "For > large 5 > financial institutions, the answer may be OpenVMS."  > G > (And while it's true that many large financial institutions do indeed > > depend on disaster tolerance from OpenVMS, many customers in< > manufacturing, gaming, utilities, health care, government,G > telecommunications, public safety, etc. have also found OpenVMS to be & > the answer for business continuity.)  D Hey! Limited audience, I grant you, but some exposure is better than4 none, as long as this is a beginning and not an end.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2004 16:56:37 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris) D Subject: HP World Magazine: HP Cuts More Costs, Faster Than Expected= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0405061556.6c40f22b@posting.google.com>   * From HP World Magazine, May 2004, page 26:7 http://interex.org/hpworldnews/hpw405/newsnuggets.jsp#2   ( HP Cuts More Costs, Faster Than Expected  D Hewlett-Packard has made bigger cuts in a shorter time than expectedD after its merger with Compaq, HP Chairman and CEO Carly Fiorina said March 9.  B HP had aimed to cut about $2.5 billion in the two-and-a-half yearsF after the 2002 merger, but was able to achieve $3.5 billion in savingsE in just 12 months, Reuters reported Fiorina as saying at a technology  seminar in Singapore.   > "We are now growing our business,'' Fiorina said, according to? Reuters. "Our competitive position continues to strengthen with D market-share growth in virtually every one of our businesses and our? regions around the world,'' she said, adding that this included ( markets in Singapore and Southeast Asia.  E HP reported in February that fiscal first-quarter revenue in the Asia F Pacific region grew 9 percent to $2.1 billion, representing 11 percentF of its total revenue. Reuters reported Fiorina as saying that HP wouldD increasingly focus on digital products in the consumer market and on! grid computing in the enterprise.   D Fiorina also said HP will continue to invest heavily in research andB development and in training. The company spends about $4 billion aC year on R&D, she said, and its scientists are generating 11 patents 0 per day compared with two per day two years ago.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 20:07:48 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>H Subject: Re: HP World Magazine: HP Cuts More Costs, Faster Than Expected6 Message-ID: <409AE164.6C04196C@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Keith Parris wrote:  > , > From HP World Magazine, May 2004, page 26:9 > http://interex.org/hpworldnews/hpw405/newsnuggets.jsp#2  > * > HP Cuts More Costs, Faster Than Expected  7 Oh, oh! Better start airing those VMS ads!!! ...FAST!!!   F > Hewlett-Packard has made bigger cuts in a shorter time than expectedF > after its merger with Compaq, HP Chairman and CEO Carly Fiorina said
 > March 9.  ( How much has she reduced her own salary?  D > HP had aimed to cut about $2.5 billion in the two-and-a-half yearsH > after the 2002 merger, but was able to achieve $3.5 billion in savingsG > in just 12 months, Reuters reported Fiorina as saying at a technology  > seminar in Singapore.  > @ > "We are now growing our business,'' Fiorina said, according toA > Reuters. "Our competitive position continues to strengthen with F > market-share growth in virtually every one of our businesses and ourA > regions around the world,'' she said, adding that this included * > markets in Singapore and Southeast Asia.  & ...and how does one grow market-share?  # (Hint: Stealth marketing ain't it.)   G > HP reported in February that fiscal first-quarter revenue in the Asia H > Pacific region grew 9 percent to $2.1 billion, representing 11 percentH > of its total revenue. Reuters reported Fiorina as saying that HP wouldF > increasingly focus on digital products in the consumer market and on# > grid computing in the enterprise.  > F > Fiorina also said HP will continue to invest heavily in research and > development and in training.  - Marketing is noticably absent from that list.   ' > The company spends about $4 billion a E > year on R&D, she said, and its scientists are generating 11 patents 2 > per day compared with two per day two years ago.  B Wonder who patented stealth marketing? Does he continue to receive5 royalties on the ads that never see the light of day?V   -- i David J. Dachterab dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o   ------------------------------  , Date: Sun,  2 May 2004 20:50:02 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>  Subject: J F in Jail8 Message-ID: <d334d8c014af0c2c7aec56b3b6ac5cc4@dizum.com>  " devil <devil@attglobal.net> wrote:  2 >On Sat, 01 May 2004 05:25:17 -0400, nobody wrote: >V >+G >BTW, have you seen that Globe and Mail piece, on Mr. Nobody going on as >hunger strike?0 >sL >http://globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040430.wamne01/BNStory/Front/  E How appropriate that he is in jail ... the place where Mezei belongs.r   FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS    About JF MEZEI   (Rev. Apr. 25, 2004)   1.  Who is JF Mezei?  G Jean-Francois Mezei is the worst netkook and megatroll to have ever hitEJ rec.travel.air and various other usenet newsgroups.  He is also one of the) longest running trolls in usenet history.V  J ***WARNING:  JF MEZEI IS A ROGUE CANCELLER.  HE FORGES THE NAME AND E-MAILO ADDRESS OF USENET POSTERS HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH AND CANCELS THEIR MESSAGES.***f  I If you participate in the same newsgroups he does, you should monitor theVK control.cancel newsgroup.  If you find that he has cancelled your messages,yJ forward a copies of them to abuse@teksavvy.com and usenet@news.wplus.net .  " 2.  How long has he been trolling?   For well over a decade.    3.  Where does he live?    Montreal, Quebec, Canada   Jean-Francois Mezeiw 86 Harwood Gatea Beaconsfield, QC H9W3A3m (514) 695-8259  2 His current e-mail address is jfmezei@teksavvy.com  * 4.  What makes him such a malicious troll?  H His trolling is constant, repetitious, relentless.  Once he invades yourO newsgroup he will stay for decades, troll around the clock, day in and day out,vO every day of the year, for years and years on end.  He does not listen to pleas'I to stop, he does not listen to anything anyone tells him, he does not payeO attention when the misinformation/disinformation he posts is corrected, he justvM goes right on trolling year in, year out like a little child holding his earsaG closed while yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear anything you say!"-   5.  What does he troll about?   P His favorite subjects are USA-bashing and anything to do with sex.  He hates theK USA and Americans and will hijack any thread and turn it into a USA-bashingbC fest.  If he can't do that then he'll just start making lewd posts.n  $ 6.  What does he hate about the USA?  P Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who have a visceralP hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a happier, better, moreJ successful version of their country and they can't stand it.  Some of JF'sN favorite troll bait is "the Bush regime", "the Bush-Rumsfeld-Wolfowitz axis ofJ evil", "Americans are brainwashed", "Cars are evil", "SUVs are evil", "all Americans are stupid" etc.  # 7.  What about his sexual trolling?   P Ah, that is JF at his trolling best.  No sexual topic is too bizarre.  Among hisI favorites are child sexuality, masturbation, women's genitalia, sex toys,.M circumcision, the sex lives of Americans (of course) ... the list is endless.n   8.  Circumcision???o  P Yes, JF trolled the circumcision newsgroups for years.  He still likes to insertF circumcision into his trolling every now and then.  Apparently, JF wasP traumatized as a child because his parents, poor Hungarian immigrants to Canada,O left him uncircumcised when he was born, as is the custom in most of the world.oN Growing up in Canada where male infant circumcision was prevalent at the time,O he was psychologically scarred (so he claims).  As soon as he could he arrangedND to get himself snipped, and then joined the brigades of circumcisionN proselytizers in the newsgroups advocating the joys of a free willy.  His mainO argument is how much better he was able to masturbate after getting circumcised M without that "pesky foreskin" getting in the way of his enjoyment, and he hasa> made it his mission in life to spread the circumcision gospel.  H 9.  What's his interest in child sexuality?  That sounds kind of freaky.  N Well, everything having to do with Mezei *is* freaky.  Among the subjects dearO to his heart are the genitals of little boys and girls, especially little boy'seJ foreskins (and how tight they are) and little girls' hymens.  He is also aK tireless activist and advocate that children should be taught to masturbate,H early on so that they don't grow up "sexually repressed like Americans".  L He also counsels all parents of boys that they constantly check their littleM boys' penises and foreskins frequently to ensure a good fit, proper movement,6O and that they be able to masturbate with no problems.  Utopia for JF would be aO> world full of parents manipulating their little boys' penises.  M 10.  Ewww!  This guy is sounding more and more disgusting by the minute!  Are  you sure about all this stuff?  P Yes, you can check the google archives for yourself.  There's over a decade full of Mezei trolling in there.E  M 11.  How can I find all that out, doesn't he change aliases all the time liked all trolls do?  K Of course!  See the appendix below for a list of many of his known trolling  aliases.  G 12.  So where does this guy get so much time to troll, doesn't he work?C  O Ha ha ha!  JF hasn't worked a day in his life!  He's an adult baby, a grown manxO who still lives at home with mommy and sleeps all day and trolls the newsgroupsrM all night.  In his free time when he isn't trolling he likes to ride his bikeLG down to Dorval Airport and race the planes down the runway in his bike.E  9 13.  That seems strange, is he mentally ill or something?   M Bingo!  JF is a boy in a grown man's body.  Psychologically he never got pastyG the age of 13 and got stuck in a world of bathroom humor (i.e. "pull my H finger!") and locker room antics that he has never been able to outgrow.  L 14.  Speaking of locker rooms, I heard he has a sexual fetish about them, is
 that true?  M Yes!  JF goes to the gym not to work out but to watch men in the locker room.nN He loves to post about the male sexual organs he has seen in locker rooms overP the years, especially his unnatural obsession with foreskins.  He stalks the menO in locker rooms trying to measure how much foreskin they have, or how little isON left if they have been circumcised.  He gets extremely excited when he spots a case of phimosis.N  O 15.  Oh my Gawd, this guy is nuts!  He should be locked up in an insane asylum!0  M Yep, JF is certifiably insane.  He lives in a black helicopter / tin foil hatON world where others are out to get him.  The key to understanding JF is that heL sees himself as a VICTIM.  To JF the world is out to get him, especially the) USA.  Victimhood is what JF is all about.l  O What seems to have sent him over the edge was when the Canadian rail system wasaJ "killed", in his words.  He used to be a major train nut, spotting trains,N writing down their numbers and chasing them down at the train yard like a goodM freak.  Then he turned his attention to aviation.  Major events that made himoP fall head first deep into the abyss were the bankruptcy of Canadian Airlines andO their subsequent takeover by Air Canada (whom he sees as evil).  So paranoid istM he that when an Air Canada plane crashed he claimed that Air Canada employeessO went lurking about in the night with buckets of white paint to cover up the AirtD Canada markings.  He saw that as symbolic of a cover up of the crash1 investigation.  He has never recovered from this.r  6 16.  Where else does he hang out, I want to avoid him!  O His main haunt on usenet is comp.os.vms, a newsgroup dedicated to some ancient, J arcane, obsolete piece of vax crapware that nobody has taken seriously forM decades.  JF hangs out there with other misfits and social dropouts who share)J his psychological traumas, crying for the good old vax days of yore.  It's really pathetic!  ! 17.  Where else does he hang out?g  I can.internet.highspeed, alt.cellular.fido, and a few other geeky computerSG groups.  For a while after the Shuttle Columbia disaster he invaded the N sci.space groups, sci.space.shuttle in particular, and trolled it relentlesslyP with the anti-American, conspiracy theory crap he's so famous for.  But they ranN him off that group and he had to go crawling back to comp.os.vms with his tail% between his legs, licking his wounds.o  P 18.  It sounds like comp.os.vms is the only group he respects and doesn't troll.  O Pretty much.  For a megatroll like JF it's impossible not to troll, so he slipsrP in troll bait every now and then, but by and large he respects comp.os.vms, and,L more importantly, he tries to hide his trolling activities from them so they* won't find out what a major netkook he is.  P 19.  Wow, sounds like he should be exposed so they will know what kind of psycho he is!  O Exactly.  Feel free to post all his trolls to comp.os.vms.  And while you're at-I it post them to can.internet.highspeed and alt.cellular.fido too.  And to-O alt.usenet.kooks, a group for the likes of JF, and news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.1  4 20.  What else can I do?  Is there an abuse address?  H Yes, you should send complaints along with copies of his troll posts to:  * abuse@teksavvy.com , dnsadmin@teksavvy.com usenet@news.wplus.net   7 You can also call directly, troll free, 1-877-779-1575.e   TekSavvy Solutions Inc.u 330 Richmond St., Suite 205o Chatham, ON, Canadas N7M 1P7   P And feel free to distribute this FAQ freely.  Post it to newsgroups, email it toP people, you may host it at your own website, send it to newspapers and magazinesI that do Internet articles or anything to do with Montreal or Canada, etc.      *** APPENDIX ***  P List of some of the many trolling aliases used by Mezei over the years.  This isK only a partial list, he has so many it's impossible to compile a full list.s   jfmezei@teksavvy.com jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com jfmezei@istop.comn jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com- jfmezei@videotron.ca jfmezei@vl.videotron.ca4 nospam.jfmezei@videotron.cav "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]   nobody <nobody@nobody.com> nobody <nobody@nobody.net> nobody <nobody@nobody.org> nobody <nobody@nobody.info>  nobody <nobody@nobody.int> nobody <nobody@nothing.nil>  nobody <nobody@null.dev>) Lorenna Bobbit <lbobbit@ginsu_knives.com>e' Lando Calrisian <Lcalrisian@empire.org>  muklak <muklak@eskimo.net> Sheep skin <sheep@station.au>u# snowy squirrel <squirrel@nest.tree>k) Conspiracy Theory <conspiracy@theory.org> & Lou Raccoon <L.Raccoon@wilderness.org>$ Flapping Labias <flabia@anatomy.org>% Throbbing vulva <t.vulva@anatomy.org>T Twin Gonads <two@gonads.com>% Loose Scrotum <l.scrotum@anatomy.org>e" Raised Organ <R.Organ@anatomy.org>$ Popped Cherry <P.Cherry@anatomy.org>- Monica Lewinski <billclinton@westchester.com>a' Deep Fried Foreskin <dff@mcdonalds.com> " Aroma of Smegma <aroma@chanel.org> Wet fart <w.Fart@smell.org>-' Pubic dandruff <P.dandruff@anatomy.org>:( Voluptuous Nipple <V.nipple@anatomy.org>& Inserted Finger <I.Finger@anatomy.org> Pubic Nair <shaved@anatomy.org> ' Flatulent Meatus <F.Meatus@anatomy.org>1% Lihk Mhygroin <L.MyGroin@anatomy.org>  Pre Khum <P.Khum@anatomy.org>:! Phi Mosis <Phi.Mosis@anatomy.org>k# Bal Anatis <Bal.Anatis@anatomy.org>T  Fren Ullum <F.Ullum@anatomy.org>$ Ivanna Getlaid <I.Getlaid@onani.org>& Ivanna Wankalot <I.Wankalot@onani.org>$ Ivanna Umpalot <Humpalot@drevil.com>* Wan Tnoneofit <W.Tnoneofit@weirdnames.org> Wan Itbad <W.Itbad@inneed.org>! Wan Towank <W.ToWank@anatomy.org>  Wan Tolik <w.tolik@anatomy.org> $ Testos Terone <t.terone@anatomy.org>! Upper Gonad <U.Gonad@anatomy.org>.! Right Gonad <R.Gonad@anatomy.org>   Left Gonad <L.Gonad@anatomy.org>$ Tyson's Glands <Tyson.G@anatomy.org> Nose Hair <n.hair@anatomy.org>% Coronal Sulcus <C.Sulcus@anatomy.org> % Corpus Cavernus <manhood@anatomy.org> $ Armpit moisture <armpit@anatomy.org> Onani Room <onani@hotels.com>:& Arnie's Banana <weiner@terminator.com>( Raised eyebrows <r.eyebrows@anatomy.org>% Vas Deferens <V.deferens@anatomy.org>o% Naked Canuck <N.canuck@naturists.org>c& Arni's socks <Smelly.Socks@arnold.org>* Notable Exception <N.exception@untied.com>& Unpopped Cherry <U.Cherry@anatomy.org>' Tatooed Ovaries <T.Ovaries@anatomy.org>g' Pierced eyelid <p.eyelid@piercings.org>o( Limp Tomato <limp.tomato@vegetables.org>, Eggplant Earrings <e.earrings@piercings.org>. Banana Underpants <B.Underpants@hillfiger.org> Naval Lint <navel@lint.mil>i' Ingrown Toenail <i.toenail@anatomy.org>o% Empty Stomach <E.Stomach@anatomy.org> $ Full Stomach <f.stomach@anatomy.org>" Smelly Cat <S.Cat@friends.nbc.com>& Torn Ligament <T.Ligament@anatomy.org># Art Tistic <A.Tistic@modern.museum>a( Furry Raccoon <F.Raccoon@wilderness.org>% Wet Racoon <W.Racoon@wildnerness.org>h" Mad Racoon <M.Racoon@wildlife.org>% Lazy Racoon <L.Racoon@wilderness.org> & Eaten Racoon <E.Raccoon@mcdonalds.com>' Happy Raccoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org>e) Sleeping Racoon <S.Racoon@wilderness.org>-' Hungry Racoon <H.Racoon@wilderness.org> " Horny Raccoon <H.Racoon@fauna.org>( Smart Raccoon <S.Raccoon@wilderness.org>, George W Raccoon <GW.Raccoon@wilderness.org>+ Ronald McRaccoon <r.raccoon@wilderness.org>v* Thirsty Raccoon <T.Raccoon@wilderness.org>( Johnny Raccoon <J.Racoon@wilderness.org>' Oshi Santo <O.Santo@nx01.starfleet.org>e* Oishi Chinko <O.Chinko@nx01.starfleet.org> T.Yellow <T.Yellow@nowhere.com>s Q <queue@continuum.net>t Borg Queen <1of1@borg.org>* Ronald Wilkerson <wilkersonr@sympatico.ca>) John Balterman <j.balterman@sympatico.ca>n  ; *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY* *DISTRIBUTE FREELY*    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 19:36:54 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>= Subject: Re: Linux on its way out - unless you are a geek ...e) Message-ID: <c7e0k4$uos$1@news.wplus.net>   K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>m; wrote in message news:c7dkfj$77n$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > Keith Parris wrote: % > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy 8 <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message, news:<c6066e$mcs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > >eA > >>Well how are you going to attach multiple nodes lets say more A > >>than 2 (because hey its what OpenVMS cluster advocates alwaysa) > >>talk about) to a shared storage pool.  > >- > >V7 > > Just wanted to clear up some errors in this thread.v > >e > Whose errors ? >n2 > The limit of 3 nodes wasn't one that I provided. > 4 > > According to the OpenVMS Cluster Software SPD atH > > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/info/SP2978/SP2978PF.PDF, OpenVMS supportsD > > up to 4 systems on a single SCSI bus. This is with all 4 systemsI > > simultaneously and directly accessing all the disks on the bus; there H > > is no single server system at a time through which the other systemsJ > > must funnel their I/O requests to a disk, or even their I/Os to change > > file system metadata.a > >o > >t> > >>How about multi-initator SCSI for grins lets just move the+ > >>single point of failure somewhere else.a > >, > >eH > > For more than 3 nodes a SCSI hub (which provides fault isolation and > > fair arbitration) is used. > > C > > OpenVMS also supports SCSI array controllers with multiple SCSIhE > > interfaces connected to multiple SCSI busses (or hubs), with fullHJ > > multi-path support, so the SCSI bus or hub does not represent a single > > point of failure, either.- > >OI > > And with Fibre Channel storage controllers, up to 96 nodes can accesseA > > the same storage, and again, each one can access it directly.p > > ---eI > > And to answer another question in the thread, CI is indeed still sold F > > today, and even the latest systems like GS1280s support it, if you > > happen to still need it. > Whose errors ?> > http://h30099.www3.hp.com/configurator/eco-wce/interview.asp >sB > Makes no reference that I have been able to find to CI adaptors. >y	 > regardss > Andrew Harrisonr    J If you want to be happy that they are still be sold new point your browser at...o  ^ http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/asgs1280/asgs1280_15_70_options.html#OptListHead  7 For AlphaServer GS1280's, as someone mentioned them....   I Or if sun's is watching the pennies (as I guess they should  be) and youre  after something more midrange...  , We can see the same card works in an ES47...  Z http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/ases47/ases47_15_70_options.html#OptListHead  K Or maybe you just want something more reliable to run at home, a DS25 towerw8 unit should do you and again CI is available for that...  Z http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/options/asDS25/asds25_15_70_options.html#OptListHead  K I know your UK based too, so let me know if you want me to put you in touch  with some resellers.   Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:56:15 -0500-@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>E Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for new $GETDVI item codes . . .u6 Message-ID: <409ADEAF.2A50DF87@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Rob Brooks wrote:o > D > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: >  > > ...and the current path! > = >         dvi$_mpdev_current_path has been there since V7.3-1o  E ...but is not implemented (or not documented) in F$GETDVI(), which is  where it is most needed.   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:58:43 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>E Subject: Re: looking for suggestions for new $GETDVI item codes . . .n6 Message-ID: <409ADF43.DACB94D6@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > a > In article <7s7dAyIhNEJ1@cuebid.zko.dec.com>, brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) writes:f > > G > >       1) This is only for $GETDVI (not $GETSYI, $GETQUI, etc . . .)t > >( > K >    Since set terminal/delete=backspace is comming (maybe I got the syntax E >    wrong), is there a $GETDVI code to find out what the setting is?l  ) ...and a matching keyword for F$GETDVI()?r   -- ( David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systemsj http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 17:20:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Re: microvax - decserver probleme, Message-ID: <4098092D.57ABEBDB@teksavvy.com>   Krzysztof Karpio wrote:n( > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying LTA107: > -SYSTEM-F-ABORT, abort  I > %SET-W-NOTSET, error modifying LTAxxx are displayed for remaining portsk > where printers are connected.p    > 1- Do these devices exist ? If you SHOW DEV/FULL LTA107: does: 	a-the device exist ?.$ 	b-is it being used by any process ?  & 2- Does LATCP know about these ports ? 	MC LATCP SHOW PORT   J 3- Another possibility is that you are executing a SET TERMINAL (or a $QIOB inside the application) that tries to modify unmodifiable terminalM characteristics (such as speed) when on LAT devices (but whcih are modifiable " on normal TT or TX terminal ports)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:33:42 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>g! Subject: New PL/I kit for OpenVMSE9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEDCDDAA.tom@kednos.com>s  I We have just put up a new kit for the compiler as well as one for the RTL>H on our web site.  If you are currently running Version 4.4 then you willH only need the runtime.  If you do not have a 4.4 license to the compilerF or a 4.3 license to the RTL and you wish to test out the compiler, youB will find a temporary pak at ftp://ftp.kednos.com/pub/misc/pak.zip  H This fixes some problems relating to signal handling.  For more deatails
 please see  K http://www.kednos.com/pli/docs/AXP_RELEASE_NOTES/dpli044_release_notes.htmlp  ? Since our last announcment, we have greatly improved the online'
 documentationdL providing it in HTML, pdf, ps and Bookreader formats.  Also we have includedH online documentation for Tru64 PL/I, which conforms to the OpenVMS PL/I,% full ANSI PL/I and IBM PL/I standardsd  E If you have any problems, please send email to pli-support@kednos.come  G Finally, PL/I on Itanium.  Do you need it before mid 2005?  Please sendyG your requirements to pli-sales@kednos.com also indicating what else youe& use in conjunction with PL/I, e.g. Rdb     ---e& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:56:43 GMTd/ From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> % Subject: Re: New PL/I kit for OpenVMSh: Message-ID: <Lozmc.180015$e17.130916@twister.nyroc.rr.com>  . "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message3 news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEDCDDAA.tom@kednos.com... K > > Finally, PL/I on Itanium.  Do you need it before mid 2005?  Please sendtI > your requirements to pli-sales@kednos.com also indicating what else youl( > use in conjunction with PL/I, e.g. Rdb  L Is this an indication that there has been some movement for PL/1 on Itanium?   -Jeffp   ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2004 05:15:52 GMTC2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>$ Subject: OT: McDonald's coffee again? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-Bx1w8VDVRzwL@dave2_os2.home.ours>   2 On Wed, 5 May 2004 12:53:59 UTC, David J McKenzie ! <david@mckenziefamily.biz> wrote:n  L > well it seems to me that not knowing the facts can, as the original poster! > maintained lead to bad results.y > K > In the McDonald's case it was not scalding, but third degree burns to theaJ > genitals. MacDonalds had been warned repeated of their breach of the lawE > many times in heating their coffe above the industrial standard butb7 > persisted. The damages were punitive because of this.l  4 The full story _has_ been given here before _but_ :-  F 1 - you still have to be pretty short on common sense to have an open C cup of anything when you're driving. Any spillage, particularly in sF that area, is distracting and makes the driver a danger to other road = users. This assumes it didn't have one of those plastic tops?n  D 2 - even in a paper cup, normal hands will register the heat of its 	 contents.   F To me it's still a failure of common sense, if not reckless behaviour  when in charge of a vehicle.  C I'm conscious of the danger whenever I take a swig from a can or a  @ bottle. My biggest fear is choking on the bubbles of carbonated * mineral water. Straws are probably safest.   -- A Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 04 18:50:25 EDT-) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook):/ Subject: Re: Print HTML files directly from VMSM! Message-ID: <sEoTf$V2o+Jr@wvnvms>o  ^ In article <c7dtgh$kqj$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@spyder.mitre.org (Keith A. Lewis) writes:j > cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook) writes in article <G93I2Mr8blWw@wvnvms> dated 5 May 04 13:21:55 EDT:f >>In article <ad6309a1.0405031332.687268fa@posting.google.com>, benitos@stcc.cc.tx.us (Benito) writes:
 >>> Hello,J >>> I have 350 html files that I would like to print from Vms.  I want theH >>> print output to be as if I was viewing it on a browser.  So I do not > H >>The VMS Mosaic browser does a decent job of generating postscript fromE >>HTML.  Simply view the HTML file and print it in postscript format.  > M > Mozilla and Netscape are also available for VMS, and can output Postscript, N > but I think George wanted something a little more automated than loading 3504 > pages and hitting the "print" button once on each. > M > I don't know enough Javascript to know for sure, but if there's any kind ofaJ > print function in that, you could write one page which would direct yourN > browser to open each of (your 350 files) in a frame, tab, or window and then* > print them.  Mozilla handles Javascript.  D Mosaic doesn't support Javascript, but it does have a remote controlC feature where commands can be given it via a mailbox.  A simple DCL.# procedure can feed it the commands.m     George Cooku WVNETb   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 20:50:25 +0200r* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>% Subject: Re: RRD46 tray won't stay inb* Message-ID: <2fvfnjF2ng1dU1@uni-berlin.de>   Peter Weaver wrote:s > Alex Daniels wrote:  >  >>...tF >>Also as the tray can be opened with software, is there a good reasonH >>why dismount/unload doesnt pop out the tray? Its hardly the big hassle >>...p >  > G > I'm pretty sure our ES40's would bump into the cabinet door if the CDoH > tray tried to open on a dismount. AS800 machines have a cover over theH > CD that would interfere with the tray opening unless someone was there" > to make sure the cover was open. >   F The same is true of probably all the Alphas I have come across except  for the desktop style systems.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:01:01 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>% Subject: Re: RRD46 tray won't stay ino* Message-ID: <c7e219$15t6$1@news.wplus.net>  7 "Paul Sture" <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in messagev$ news:2fvfnjF2ng1dU1@uni-berlin.de... > Peter Weaver wrote:i > > Alex Daniels wrote:? > >u > >>...nH > >>Also as the tray can be opened with software, is there a good reasonJ > >>why dismount/unload doesnt pop out the tray? Its hardly the big hassle > >>...k > >a > >NI > > I'm pretty sure our ES40's would bump into the cabinet door if the CDbJ > > tray tried to open on a dismount. AS800 machines have a cover over theJ > > CD that would interfere with the tray opening unless someone was there$ > > to make sure the cover was open. > >1 > G > The same is true of probably all the Alphas I have come across except   > for the desktop style systems.  J Mostly, but some exceptions, unracked AS1200's and AS1000's spring to mindA as being non-desktop systems where the CD's aren't behind a door.7   Alex   ------------------------------  * Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:24:14 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org% Subject: Re: RRD46 tray won't stay int) Message-ID: <04050617241406@antinode.org>4  # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)-  , > [CD-ROM drive caddy/tray control proposal]  H >   If we were to implement this, the obvious extension would be to lockG >   the drive door during normal operations, to prevent the volume fromsH >   being physically removed from underneath OpenVMS.  Various removable4 >   media devices implement door locking, of course.  E    I've noticed the difference in behavior between my VMS systems andiD everything else I use (Mac, Solaris, Tru64, ...), but I have not yet decided which way I prefer.s  I >   Why do I now "hear" someone thinking of asking for the implementationiM >   and use of a system parameter flag or such to control the eject-on-unloadt@ >   and lock-the-door behaviours of the dismount operation?  :-)      Oops.  Did I _say_ that?i  D    Those are per-device options, of course.  It might be nice if theH drive behind the cabinet door and the (unobstructed) external one on top! of the cabinet acted differently.e  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode.orgO    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547R   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 06:33:09 +0800p, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>% Subject: Re: RRD46 tray won't stay in - Message-ID: <87r7txuqxm.fsf@prep.synonet.com>S  % hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:o  I >   Why do I now "hear" someone thinking of asking for the implementationaM >   and use of a system parameter flag or such to control the eject-on-unload @ >   and lock-the-door behaviours of the dismount operation?  :-)  J So what has SET VOL/UNLOAD done so you are no longer on speaking terms? :)   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2004 15:31:28 -0700 1 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)t Subject: Re: RWINS= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0405061431.2c81d9fb@posting.google.com>t  ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4088799B.9162BDA4@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...E > There is a problem with some versions of WEBES on GS1280s where thecF > DESTA Director process leaks BIOLM and gets wedged into RWAST with a& > BIOCNT (remaining BIOLM) of zero(0). ...6H > You can clear that by using STOP/ID, then go into SDA, find the "Busy"H > mailbox channels, and COPY NLA0: to those devices one-by-one until theI > process dies - it causes I/Os to complete which will release some BIOLMiH > and allow the process to continue long enough to acknowledge and honor > the $DELPRC request.  F Another way to deal with hangs due to quota exhaustion is to raise the4 process quota using Availability Manager or DECamds.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 19:38:49 -0500s@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> Subject: Re: RWINS6 Message-ID: <409ADA99.FE181D08@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Keith Parris wrote:e >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<4088799B.9162BDA4@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...G > > There is a problem with some versions of WEBES on GS1280s where thenH > > DESTA Director process leaks BIOLM and gets wedged into RWAST with a( > > BIOCNT (remaining BIOLM) of zero(0). > ...rJ > > You can clear that by using STOP/ID, then go into SDA, find the "Busy"J > > mailbox channels, and COPY NLA0: to those devices one-by-one until theK > > process dies - it causes I/Os to complete which will release some BIOLMtJ > > and allow the process to continue long enough to acknowledge and honor > > the $DELPRC request. > H > Another way to deal with hangs due to quota exhaustion is to raise the6 > process quota using Availability Manager or DECamds.   True.-  D Problem with them has always been the non-routable protocol. AMDS isG VMS-based, but AM is WhineBloze which means your PC must be on the sameCF VLAN or LAN segment as the VMS machine, and cluster comm. traffic must traverse the ethernet.  @ Problem children like DESTA are best killed anyway. Since it's aF resource leakage problem, upping the quota just delays the inevitable.   -- o David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 17:28:24 -0400E- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>s* Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists, Message-ID: <40980AF2.1307BEDD@teksavvy.com>   William Webb wrote:  > $ type co_backups.dis N > SMTP%"jennynospam@email.company.com"            ! Jenny Jones, Head OperatorK > SMTP%"rodgernospam@company.com"                 ! Rodger Edge, Chief CookwC > SMTP%"librarynospam@email.company.com"          ! Tape librarianst= > SMTP%"wwwnospam@email.company.com"              ! WebmasteroM > SMTP%"tbonenospam@email.company.com"            ! Tom Bone, Procedures TeamdI > SMTP%"pgarrettnospam@securityfirmco.com"        ! Pat Garrett, SecurityaL > SMTP%"ian_anospam@email.jtull.com"              ! Ian, woodwind consultant  L Ok, so lets say I create the above file in TCPIP$SMTO_COMMON: directory. How( does a remote user specify the address ?  , can one do "@co_backups.dir"@chocolate.com ?  N Ir is there an easier nomenclature for a remote user to specify a distribution list ?    E I take it that there is no security at all on who can use that list ?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 20:42:09 +0200e* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>* Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists* Message-ID: <2fvf82F2lki4U1@uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:, > William Webb wrote:n >  >>$ type co_backups.distN >>SMTP%"jennynospam@email.company.com"            ! Jenny Jones, Head OperatorK >>SMTP%"rodgernospam@company.com"                 ! Rodger Edge, Chief Cook C >>SMTP%"librarynospam@email.company.com"          ! Tape librarians = >>SMTP%"wwwnospam@email.company.com"              ! WebmastergM >>SMTP%"tbonenospam@email.company.com"            ! Tom Bone, Procedures Team I >>SMTP%"pgarrettnospam@securityfirmco.com"        ! Pat Garrett, SecuritymL >>SMTP%"ian_anospam@email.jtull.com"              ! Ian, woodwind consultant >  > N > Ok, so lets say I create the above file in TCPIP$SMTO_COMMON: directory. How* > does a remote user specify the address ? > . > can one do "@co_backups.dir"@chocolate.com ? > P > Ir is there an easier nomenclature for a remote user to specify a distribution	 > list ?   > G > I take it that there is no security at all on who can use that list ?Q >   G AFAIK, the distribution list is only available for _sending_ VMS mail, sD not receiving it. Security is therefore a matter of normal VMS file  access protection.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 20:38:19 +0200o* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>) Subject: Re: Trip down [core] memory lane * Message-ID: <2fvf0tF2nmt2U1@uni-berlin.de>   Roert G. Schaffrath wrote:  > Wesley Dunnahoo wrote: > C >>I started using VMS on a VAX 11/780 running VMS 3.something and IlI >>remember a miraculous change in the directory format that went from 6.3dJ >>filenames.extentions to 29.29 characters.  My memory isn't as good as itD >>used to be [so much to remember, so many parity errors].  Did this@ >>happen in VMS 4.3, 4.4 or 4.5 when the improved filenaming wasD >>introduced as a higher level Files-11 format?  Also, was this when: >>subdirectories [directory.subdirectory] were introduced? >> >  > F > VMS V4.0 introduced "long" filenames.  Filenames were limited before' > that to 8.3 not 6.3 (RSTS/E was 6.3).e  I Nitpick alert. RSX had 8.3, VMS prior to 4.0 had 9.3, hence the somewhat d strangely spelt ACCOUNTNG.DAT.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 01:03:12 +0800o, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: Trip down [core] memory lanem- Message-ID: <877jvpxzcf.fsf@prep.synonet.com>j  6 "Roert G. Schaffrath" <rschaffrath@yahoo.com> writes:   > Wesley Dunnahoo wrote:  sD >> I started using VMS on a VAX 11/780 running VMS 3.something and IJ >> remember a miraculous change in the directory format that went from 6.3K >> filenames.extentions to 29.29 characters.  My memory isn't as good as itnE >> used to be [so much to remember, so many parity errors].  Did thiseA >> happen in VMS 4.3, 4.4 or 4.5 when the improved filenaming wasuE >> introduced as a higher level Files-11 format?  Also, was this whenl; >> subdirectories [directory.subdirectory] were introduced?m  l  F > VMS V4.0 introduced "long" filenames.  Filenames were limited before' > that to 8.3 not 6.3 (RSTS/E was 6.3).   E 9+3, same as ODS-1. The new 39+39 was the only sop that Tops-20 usersi? actually got. And possibly <>, did that work in V1, 2, or 3 fora directories?   -- c< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.s@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2004 19:23:18 GMTi1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)t) Subject: Re: Trip down [core] memory laneh: Message-ID: <c7e3b6$69m$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  * In message <2fvf0tF2nmt2U1@uni-berlin.de>,.   Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:I >Nitpick alert. RSX had 8.3, VMS prior to 4.0 had 9.3, hence the somewhatc >strangely spelt ACCOUNTNG.DAT.s  J The RSX I remember had 6.3 names, which is why the reserved files on ODS-2M volumes were 000000.DIR, BACKUP.SYS, BADBLK.SYS, BADLOG.SYS, INDEXF.SYS, etc.f   8.3 was the limit on MS DOS.    < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:tL 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 06:37:03 +0800h, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: Trip down [core] memory laneh- Message-ID: <87n04luqr4.fsf@prep.synonet.com>e  , Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  A > Nitpick alert. RSX had 8.3, VMS prior to 4.0 had 9.3, hence the ) > somewhat strangely spelt ACCOUNTNG.DAT..  5 9+3, 3 words of RAD50 plus another for the extention.n  ? VMS V4 on is really 39+1+39 as the `.' is included in the data,n% not a provided separater as in ODS-1.    -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.o@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:07:21 +0400l: From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>+ Subject: Re: VMS-mailbox for TCP/IP-traffico3 Message-ID: <23F86E7D9CF407CD98C3149FA4507600@nntp>o   Hi !B Fisrt at all you ned a TCP/IP support on the node; have a look to 7 TCPIP$EXAMPLES or UCX$EXAMPLES for example of programs.    Martin Eismann wrote:a   > Hello dear VMS-fans! >  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.3.2h > G > I'd like to know, if (and how) it is possible to set up a VMS-MailboxtG > to communicate with an other (non-VMS) TCP/IP-node. Maybe one MBX for ' > sending an another one for receiving?r > @ > We need our VMS-application to send/receive messages to/from a@ > Windows-2003-Server-system on specific IP-Ports. Certainly I'm' > thinking about using BSD-sockets, but": > 1. I'm not familiar with C-programming (just PASCAL) andC > 2. (as far as I know) BSD-sockets change the IP-Ports dynamically ' > so BSD-sockets may be the false way?!e > ; > What about $QIO? Is it possible to use specific IP-Ports?n > > > Where can I find any examples which comply with upper needs? >  > Kind Regards > Martin >    -- n Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+C   RADIUS Server for OpenVMS project - www.starlet.spb.ru/radiusvms/n@   TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 01:11:09 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>> Subject: Re: What Gigabit Ethernet cards are available for VMS- Message-ID: <873c6dxyz6.fsf@prep.synonet.com>r  ( twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt) writes:  C > I am about to put a Cisco Gigaswitch in my computer room for someo   *Cisco* Gigaswitch???t   -- h< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:39:14 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>> Subject: Re: What Gigabit Ethernet cards are available for VMS* Message-ID: <c7e48l$1hak$1@news.wplus.net>  9 "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in messageg' news:873c6dxyz6.fsf@prep.synonet.com... * > twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt) writes: >vE > > I am about to put a Cisco Gigaswitch in my computer room for somei >  > *Cisco* Gigaswitch???t >   K Reading one of Keith's previous posts he recommends using DNPG switches for  G/Ethernet, for K better SCS performance, did have brief look on their website the other day,t' but couldn't see anything above 100Meg.c  J Up to now have only used Cisco for G/Ethernet, but if anyone has any otherJ recommendations, would be interested, as I'm about to buy four for a cross
 site cluster.a  I They will only be used for SCS, DECnet, DECAmds, LAST, TCP etc within theiF cluster and not for talking to any other existing switches or anything; outside the cluster, but will be going cross site via DWDM.o   Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 06:56:39 +0800a, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>> Subject: Re: What Gigabit Ethernet cards are available for VMS- Message-ID: <87isf9upug.fsf@prep.synonet.com>n  > "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:  ; > "Paul Repacholi" <prep@prep.synonet.com> wrote in message ) > news:873c6dxyz6.fsf@prep.synonet.com...v+ >> twnews@kittles.com (Thomas Wirt) writes:h >>F >> > I am about to put a Cisco Gigaswitch in my computer room for some >> >> *Cisco* Gigaswitch??? >>  @ > Reading one of Keith's previous posts he recommends using DNPGE > switches for G/Ethernet, for better SCS performance, did have brief F > look on their website the other day, but couldn't see anything above	 > 100Meg.t  C I think there are dual GigE cards for Gigaswitches listed on DNPG'sb
 web pages.  C The only Gigaswitch I know of is the DEC/DNPG one. Unless Cisco haso offed the name...    -- i< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.c@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:17:47 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised- Message-ID: <c7dvgb$2sqq$1@news.cybercity.dk>a   Tom Linden wrote:rD > It is likely that this may change.  I think you may wish to direct? > your mail concerning promotion of VMS to Peter Blackmore, CSGm >@  B It is too late IMHO.  The damage has been done and is irreparable.  L Everyone I know has long since quit the VMS marketplace, most of the systemsI on which I have worked are all in maintenance mode with no possibility ofeI any of them *ever* being revived.  And those that have survived are beingy$ outsourced now to the Indian hordes.  L The world of VMS customers has ceased to believe in anything that the past 3H owners of VMS have said, relying simply on looking at their actions (andJ inaction) to reach the conclusion that they, as customers, are an unwantedJ annoyance.  Potential new customers *know* that VMS died 8 years ago - try asking some of them sometime.   L Even were there to be a change in HP attitude that was actually reflected inL real marketing and promotion dollars aimed at new customers, I doubt whetherK it would be sufficient to pay for the expense of having done it.  Lets facepI it, the only ones left are those with nowhere else to go, so marketing toe$ them is not going to alter too much.  J VMS is another great technology sacrificed at the alter of commodity crap.  K Personally, I am (hopefully) starting a new business very shortly, about as L far away from technology as is possible.  I am taking 22 years of successfulK VMS (and other OS) large systems development and consulting experience from.G IT director down to programmer with me out of the supply chain.  No one.H wants to pay for the skills or experience at any price greater than zeroJ (believe me, I have 18 months and countless job & contract applications toL show for it) and those that need the skills and experience would rather hireL script kiddies & MSCEs - the human equivalents of a commodity.  I personallyJ think that having VMS on a CV is in fact counterproductive in applying for any non-VMS site.s  K I do not see this attribute of the IT industry changing any time soon.  ThesK industry is not going to see any light soon, and in its gloom, VMS is goingi to disappear into a corner.n  I I suggest a quick perusal of jobserve for some corroboration - 90% of theeG jobs are shift operator and similar - almost zero in development.  Thisk& tells you everything you need to know.  J There was a time that I would have taken the trip to a VMS boot camp at myL own expense, because the knowledge had a value.  Its value is currently zero and declining.    
 Dr. Dweeb.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 01:00:07 +0800i, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised- Message-ID: <87brl1xzhk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:o  B > Potentially it could just boil down to NSK division execs havingB > more guts to undertake advertising than VMS division execs have.  > And how many of those execs will be at the boot camp I wonder, other than Mark.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.a@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 18:47:25 GMTo4 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised0 Message-ID: <409A8873.2CACFC7D@blueyonder.co.uk>   "Dr. Dweeb" wrote:   > I personallyL > think that having VMS on a CV is in fact counterproductive in applying for > any non-VMS site.B  O Agreed. Even tough a lot of admin and development skills are transferable IMHO,SL the industry does not view it that way. The managers for those type of rolesV are problably less experienced than you in real life (rather than "industry standard")
 terms anyway.a   > M > I do not see this attribute of the IT industry changing any time soon.  ThedM > industry is not going to see any light soon, and in its gloom, VMS is going  > to disappear into a corner.w > K > I suggest a quick perusal of jobserve for some corroboration - 90% of theaI > jobs are shift operator and similar - almost zero in development.  Thise( > tells you everything you need to know.  & Its been that way since 2001 at least.   > L > There was a time that I would have taken the trip to a VMS boot camp at myN > own expense, because the knowledge had a value.  Its value is currently zero > and declining. >  > Dr. Dweeb.   --   tim.llewellyn@blueyonder.co.uk   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:50:17 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>p2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised, Message-ID: <Va6dnaqs4rqNOAfdRVn-vA@igs.net>  : "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in messageL news:92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC149CCBD5@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us. ..D > Ok, I have to ask...is ole John Smith even going to the boot camp?  H The answer, unfortunately is no. We are working to a tight deadline on aI prototype application that uses VMS clusters in an extremely high profileeK environment for a consortium of companies.  Our demo includes taking a fire K ax to the cables (we like a little drama in our demos) and demonstrating to > them how VMS clusters can work in 24x7 environment even if the! connections/power/sites are lost.s  L I'd say that in  this case the knowledge we'd pick up is more than offset byI the potential of $10M in software sales to us and a similar amount to the J OpenVMS hardware/software sales fund (some to Oracle too), so Boot Camp is out.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 May 2004 14:33:40 -0600e- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised3 Message-ID: <Vm5$xoTWB8G6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <newscache$wixaxh$ds51$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:e > In article <63bHkgloOTy0@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: T >>In article <VcidnSAXH_twPwTdRVn-gw@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:P >>> I'd like to know if anyone is going to stand up, in public, at Boot Camp andK >>> ask any HP executives present just when the hell OpenVMS is going to ben >>> advertised.  >>3 >>Go ahead and do that, since it is your pet issue.o > 2 > No, not his alone. We are the majority, I think./ > But very few of us have the option to attend.t  D They expect about 200 people.  If nobody in that crowd feels this isE important, then those who claim so in this newsgroup are really quiteu a minority.D  K > I personally think, that the VMS boot camp is technically oriented and ifhN > executives are there, they are again the wrong target. Go up in the chain...  	 That too.y   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:37:37 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>-2 Subject: RE: You'll never guess what HP advertised9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIAEDIDDAA.tom@kednos.com>P  < Unless execs from CSG are there, issues about marketing willB fall on deaf ears, well maybe not deaf ears but the wrong audience- since they no longer have much to do with it.d     -----Original Message-----6   From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]&   Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 1:34 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com.4   Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised      4   In article <newscache$wixaxh$ds51$1@news.sil.at>, :   peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:8   > In article <63bHkgloOTy0@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 1   Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:->   >>In article <VcidnSAXH_twPwTdRVn-gw@igs.net>, "John Smith"    <a@nonymous.com> writes:B   >>> I'd like to know if anyone is going to stand up, in public,    at Boot Camp andB   >>> ask any HP executives present just when the hell OpenVMS is 
   going to be    >>> advertised.y   >>5   >>Go ahead and do that, since it is your pet issue.    > 4   > No, not his alone. We are the majority, I think.1   > But very few of us have the option to attend.    F   They expect about 200 people.  If nobody in that crowd feels this isG   important, then those who claim so in this newsgroup are really quite.
   a minority.    >   > I personally think, that the VMS boot camp is technically    oriented and ifyD   > executives are there, they are again the wrong target. Go up in    the chain...      That too.-      ----(   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B   Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004    --->& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:46:37 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>t2 Subject: RE: You'll never guess what HP advertisedR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3142FF@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20i > Sent: May 6, 2004 4:50 PMu > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come4 > Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised >=20 >=20< > "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in message@ > news:92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC149CCBD5@ohms.electric.ci > .austin.tx.us. > ..F > > Ok, I have to ask...is ole John Smith even going to the boot camp? >=20? > The answer, unfortunately is no. We are working to a tight=20l > deadline on a A > prototype application that uses VMS clusters in an extremely=20n > high profileB > environment for a consortium of companies.  Our demo includes=20 > taking a fire3? > ax to the cables (we like a little drama in our demos) and=20i > demonstrating to@ > them how VMS clusters can work in 24x7 environment even if the# > connections/power/sites are lost.F >=20B > I'd say that in  this case the knowledge we'd pick up is more=20 > than offset by@ > the potential of $10M in software sales to us and a similar=20 > amount to the'B > OpenVMS hardware/software sales fund (some to Oracle too), so=20 > Boot Camp is > out. >=20   John,m  H You likely already have this, but just in case you need mission criticalD OpenVMS cluster (including multi-site) testimonials in the Financial market, check out:  ( Commerzbank, multi-site, 911 testimonialG http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/commerzbank/commerzbank.pdfk  & Bank Austria, VMS V7.3-1, Alpha GS1280D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/Bank-Austria/bankaus.pdf  ? International Securities Exchange (ISE), multi-site, VMS V7.3-1i7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/ise/ise.pdfaH "Sixteen of the world's exchanges run the OM Technology trading system -9 and 15 of them run it on HP OpenVMS AlphaServer systems."r  D Btw - drop me a note offline (or call me) if you need any assistance with your proposal.r   Regardso  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultantm HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660C Fax: 613-591-4477n Email: kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcomn. (remove the DOT's and AT for email address)=20   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 21:23:28 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised, Message-ID: <Te6dnckIhf-SeAfdRVn-vA@igs.net>  2 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3142FF@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...     > -----Original Message-----* > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] > Sent: May 6, 2004 4:50 PMd > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comv4 > Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised >e >i< > "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in message@ > news:92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC149CCBD5@ohms.electric.ci > .austin.tx.us. > ..F > > Ok, I have to ask...is ole John Smith even going to the boot camp? >r< > The answer, unfortunately is no. We are working to a tight > deadline on ah> > prototype application that uses VMS clusters in an extremely > high profile? > environment for a consortium of companies.  Our demo includes  > taking a firet< > ax to the cables (we like a little drama in our demos) and > demonstrating to@ > them how VMS clusters can work in 24x7 environment even if the# > connections/power/sites are lost.r >a? > I'd say that in  this case the knowledge we'd pick up is moren > than offset by= > the potential of $10M in software sales to us and a similars > amount to thes? > OpenVMS hardware/software sales fund (some to Oracle too), soi > Boot Camp is > out. >'   John,u  H You likely already have this, but just in case you need mission criticalD OpenVMS cluster (including multi-site) testimonials in the Financial market, check out:  ( Commerzbank, multi-site, 911 testimonialG http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/commerzbank/commerzbank.pdfd  & Bank Austria, VMS V7.3-1, Alpha GS1280D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/Bank-Austria/bankaus.pdf  ? International Securities Exchange (ISE), multi-site, VMS V7.3-1i7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/ise/ise.pdfkH "Sixteen of the world's exchanges run the OM Technology trading system -9 and 15 of them run it on HP OpenVMS AlphaServer systems.">  D Btw - drop me a note offline (or call me) if you need any assistance with your proposal.l       Kerry, check your in-box.e   John   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:42:30 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>j2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised, Message-ID: <edmdndCf0-boRgfdRVn-hA@igs.net>   Kerry,  L Since you have given us the following suggestion as ammo (which I have known for years),n  ? International Securities Exchange (ISE), multi-site, VMS V7.3-1 7 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/ise/ise.pdf H "Sixteen of the world's exchanges run the OM Technology trading system -9 and 15 of them run it on HP OpenVMS AlphaServer systems."i   here's a suggestion for you....o  K I'd like you to call Paul Tsaparis tomorrow morning and suggest to him that H it would help OpenVMS's cause immeasurably for HP to place full page adsG once a week for the next 4 weeks in each of the Globe & Mail, FinancialmI Post, Montreal Gazette and whatever the leading rag is in Ottawa, oh, andoL the Wall Street Journal too, stating the gist of this success story and mostJ specifically that *each of the exchanges that chose OpenVMS did so becauseG they didn't think that any flavor of unix was reliable enough for theirv needs*.s  L Of course that also casts negative aspersions on HP-UX and Tru64, but that's just fine with me.  K While you are at it, you can also whip up a few ads that deal with disastersK tolerance in the financial world. Now you'll have to go back a few years todJ the BNP (iirc) in Paris fire, or more recently to Cantor Fitzgerald at WTCK on 9/11. Perhaps there are others too. Or maybe even some 'twista' story inw Kansas ;-).o  J But to think that HP would ever do anything like this is to dream that I'mJ living in Oz (the Oz of ruby slippers fame). Mind you, there seems to be aK prominent 'wicked witch' in my Oz too, only her hairdoo is a bit nicer,....i but she's just as shrill.l   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.252 ************************    