1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 08 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 254       Contents:& Re: CDSA anyone? Help with system boot! Re: EVA: physically moving drives  Re: EVE customizations
 Help with CLD  Re: Help with CLD K Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be  OpenVMS K Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be  OpenVMS P Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be OpenVMS OpenVP Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be OpenVMS OpenVA Re: Intel is killing processors today, will itanium be axed too ? A Re: Intel is killing processors today, will itanium be axed too ? 7 Re: LIB$GETDVI() v. DVI$_ACPTYPE: Why so many UNKNOWNs? 7 Re: LIB$GETDVI() v. DVI$_ACPTYPE: Why so many UNKNOWNs?  MicroVAX 3100-95 and SCSI ID 6) Re: Normal operating temerpature for ES40 	 Oracle AQ  pine or related on VMS Re: pine or related on VMS PWS500 Power Switch again  Re: PWS500 Power Switch again $ Queuing a file to print from FORTRAN( Re: Queuing a file to print from FORTRAN( Re: Queuing a file to print from FORTRAN( Re: Queuing a file to print from FORTRAN( Re: Queuing a file to print from FORTRAN( Re: Queuing a file to print from FORTRAN Re: RRD46 tray won't stay inP SWIFT Access on VMS, WAS: Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the a! Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists ! Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists  TNSPING for OpenVMS Alpha   Re: Trip down [core] memory lane Re: VMS mentioned in the press VMS news on news.com$ Re: Where to post a C part time job?) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 20:41:07 GMT , From: Wayne Morrison <Wayne.Morrison@hp.com>/ Subject: Re: CDSA anyone? Help with system boot 1 Message-ID: <DvSmc.1096$nU4.982@news.cpqcorp.net>    Hal Kuff wrote:   K >     We have installed Cdsa (Open source security) on 7.3-1 ... everything M > went ok, we installed V2.0 and ran the cdsa$upgrade proceedure. Now when we I > reboot we have to re-run the cdsa$upgrade as the cdsa$install_images or M > cdsa$initialise run on startup does not load the package. We ran an autogen N > to take care of the images and that removed the V1.0 images from the startupL > image loader but did nothing for V2.0 ... what do you have in your startup	 > config?   4 Thanks to Hal for helping me nail down this problem.  H This only occurs on OpenVMS V7.3-1, and only if you upgrade CDSA beyond H what comes with the system.  Below is a description of the cause of the % problem, and a suggested work-around.   E In CDSA V1.0 on OpenVMS V7.3-1, the CDSA files were installed by the  H system startup file SYS$MANAGER:VMSIMAGES.DAT.  In that file, they were H installed /PROT, and that file gets run when a V7.3-1 system starts up. H   So, the CDSA images initially get installed /PROT, even for CDSA V2.0 E if it's running on V7.3-1.  Running the CDSA$INSTALL_IMAGES.COM file  D finds the images installed, and just does an INSTALL REPLACE, which E doesn't change the characteristics, so they're still installed /PROT.   G If you run CDSA$UPGRADE.COM, the files are first INSTALL REMOVE'ed, and G then INSTALL ADD'ed with the CDSA V2.0 characteristics, so the /PROT is - no longer there, and things work as expected.   G This problem is only present on OpenVMS V7.3-1, and will not impact any < newer versions of OpenVMS, since they don't install CDSA in > VMSIMAGES.DAT anymore - the system startup now directly calls  CDSA$INSTALL_IMAGES.COM.  @ The recommendation is to run CDSA$UPGRADE.COM after each boot on1 an OpenVMS V7.3-1 system if you've upgraded CDSA.    	Wayne Morrison / 	CDSA/Secure Delivery & Kerberos Project Leader  	OpenVMS Engineering   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 16:02:36 -0400* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>* Subject: Re: EVA: physically moving drives* Message-ID: <2g28aeF3pm9rU1@uni-berlin.de>  : "Nom de Plume" <soccer13player@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:f401eb7f.0405060832.39b248d7@posting.google.com... A : karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote in message 1 news:<5MAY04.17475025@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>... K : > I'm wondering if anyone has physically rearranged drives on an EVA 5000 , : > (with the controllers shutdown course!)? : >  : > Here's the situation:  : >  : N : I think what is missing it Step 0 - Copy all data from disk volumes to tape. :   a We added multiple shelves to our EVA5000 and redistirbuted the disks to be spread out over all of b the shelves. The disks contain meta data that tells the HSVs what the disk contains independent of its physical location.  c The major concern is to not move redundancy groups of disks onto the same shelf. I mapped out which _ disks would move so that if a new shelf was to get 3 disks they all came from the same origonal Q shelf. I amazed everyone here that everything came right back up without a hitch.    Marty    ------------------------------    Date: 07 May 2004 14:52:57 -04003 From: Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com>  Subject: Re: EVE customizations . Message-ID: <mddu0ysoyra.fsf@panix5.panix.com>  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   A > In article <cs9u0yt3cnq.fsf@Tempo.Update.UU.SE>, Andreas Davour  > <ante@update.uu.se> writes:   ? >> I've just started using EVE for some VAX COBOL programming.    J >> Having used emacs and its ability to recognize files and automatically H >> start the right "code-mode", I was wondering if there was some way to >> make EVE do the same?  G >    EVE does not try to force coding standards on you.  It's a general 9 >    purpopse text editor, not a broken down code editor.   N As is Emacs, which does not *force* any coding standards on anyone, but ratherO simply allows those who wish to, to use them.  It's just more easily programmed 	 than EVE.   M (This posting, for example, was written *and transmitted* from within Emacs.)    --  . Rich Alderson					    | /"\ ASCII ribbon     |< news@alderson.users.panix.com			    | \ / campaign against |L Last LOTS Tops-20 Systems Programmer, 1984-1991     |  x  HTML mail and    |L Current maintainer, MIT TECO EMACS (v. 170)         | / \ postings         |   ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2004 14:41:17 -0700 - From: soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume)  Subject: Help with CLD= Message-ID: <f401eb7f.0405071341.6c6c37e8@posting.google.com>    Hello,  B I am writing a utility that uses the CLI$ routines and links in an  object file created from a .CLD.   I want it to do something like:  EFSMGR> set  _What: area  _Area: gold    and    EFSMGR> set  _What: node 
 _Node: ASIMOV      !  ! Verb: SET  !  DEFINE VERB set =   PARAMETER P1, LABEL=OPTION, PROMPT="What", VALUE (REQUIRED,  TYPE=set_options)    DEFINE TYPE set_options    KEYWORD area, SYNTAX=set_area    KEYWORD node, SYNTAX=set_node    DEFINE SYNTAX set_area   ROUTINE efsmgr_set_area ;   PARAMETER P1, LABEL=AREA, PROMPT="Area", VALUE (REQUIRED)    DEFINE SYNTAX set_node   ROUTINE efsmgr_set_node ;   PARAMETER P1, LABEL=NODE, PROMPT="Node", VALUE (REQUIRED)   < This does not get me what I want.  So, any pointers would be appreciated!   TIA    JMOD   ------------------------------   Date: 8 May 2004 00:17:44 GMT 1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)  Subject: Re: Help with CLD: Message-ID: <c7h8v8$e71$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  = In message <f401eb7f.0405071341.6c6c37e8@posting.google.com>, 1   soccer13player@yahoo.com (Nom de Plume) writes:  >! >! Verb: SET >! >DEFINE VERB set> >  PARAMETER P1, LABEL=OPTION, PROMPT="What", VALUE (REQUIRED, >TYPE=set_options) >  >DEFINE TYPE set_options  >  KEYWORD area, SYNTAX=set_area  >  KEYWORD node, SYNTAX=set_node >  >DEFINE SYNTAX set_area  >  ROUTINE efsmgr_set_area< >  PARAMETER P1, LABEL=AREA, PROMPT="Area", VALUE (REQUIRED) >    Try    DEFINE VERB set =   PARAMETER P1, LABEL=OPTION, PROMPT="What", VALUE (REQUIRED,  TYPE=set_options)    DEFINE TYPE set_options    KEYWORD area, SYNTAX=set_area    KEYWORD node, SYNTAX=set_node    DEFINE SYNTAX set_area   ROUTINE efsmgr_set_area =   PARAMETER P1, LABEL=OPTION, PROMPT="What", VALUE (REQUIRED) ;   PARAMETER P2, LABEL=AREA, PROMPT="Area", VALUE (REQUIRED)    DEFINE SYNTAX set_node   ROUTINE efsmgr_set_node =   PARAMETER P1, LABEL=OPTION, PROMPT="What", VALUE (REQUIRED) ;   PARAMETER P2, LABEL=NODE, PROMPT="Node", VALUE (REQUIRED)     J Even though you changed syntax, P1 is still the 'option' parameter and theC define syntax command must reference the area/node parameter as P2. J new syntaxes won't honor the (REQUIRED) clause  on P2 unless P1 is definedH as required as well (changing syntax apparently throws away the REQUIRED1 attribute set for in the the DEFINE VERB section.     < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet: L 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  1 Disclaimer: I'm looking for marbles all day long.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 19:54:45 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>T Subject: Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be  OpenVMS* Message-ID: <c7gm1s$1ltu$1@news.wplus.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:RaGdnbqOTo_LTwbdRVn-uw@igs.net... > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:409BC690.2FFCC8A0@teksavvy.com...J > > You know, VMS may be really really really great for disaster recovery. > > G > > But a former employer just spent 18 months and nearly 1000 hours of 
 > overtimeL > > to kicks the disaster tolerant VAXes I had setup for SWIFT transfers and6 > > replaced them with Sun servers with "replication". > > K > > There is no way that the Sun solution would have the same functionality  > and G > > data integrity as the VMS solution had. But guess what: because the H > > application on VAX no longer existed, (Palmer had told SWIFT to stop using  > VMS L > > as its key platform), the bank has had to learn to live with an inferiorG > > disaster recovery scheme. So they ru the risk of having to re-input 7 > > transactiosn from the current day after a failover.  > > K > > But in the end, because that bank already has lots of Sun servers, they  > haveJ > > expertise in-house (well, it has been outsourced to IBM, but there are > still J > > lost of people dedicated to that bank with Solaris experience). During the  > VAX 9 > > days, there was nobody else in the bank who knew VMS.  > > J > > What is more important, and something which the HP/Compaq heads refuse toI > > understand is that the damage caused by Palmer is still, to this day,  the I > > cause of loss of customers.  It has taken many years for that bank to  > swith H > > from VMS to Solaris. So HP is having to deal today with decisions byL > > customers/ISV during Palmer era which are finally reaching back to HP in > the * > > form of non-renewed support contracts. >  >  > You are 1000% correct. > I > Funnily enough I am working on a variety of Swift-related matters right  now G > and I'd love to write an OpenVMS Swift-certified gateway but there is F > precious little market for OpenVMS in that market due to a dwindling numberH > of VMS systems in the banking/brokerage world and zero (0) advertising intoL > that market. JF, if HP would like to fund my efforts, cash up-front, maybe > you'd like to help out?  > G > Unfortunately given the nature of the types of transactions and their  value J > it is highly unlikely that many banks/brokers would ever consider an ASP for  > this sort of thing.  >    John,   J > it is highly unlikely that many banks/brokers would ever consider an ASP for  > this sort of thing.   G I don't believe that is the case, I have worked for 7 banks and all ran @ their CBT's on VMS and only one was ST400 (SWIFT's own product).  H If you look for some pages near the link I previously posted, you can goH into each of the third party apps and see how many users they have, then% compare this total to SWIFT Alliance.    Alex   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 14:15:51 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> T Subject: Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be  OpenVMS, Message-ID: <RaGdnbqOTo_LTwbdRVn-uw@igs.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:409BC690.2FFCC8A0@teksavvy.com...H > You know, VMS may be really really really great for disaster recovery. > E > But a former employer just spent 18 months and nearly 1000 hours of  overtimeJ > to kicks the disaster tolerant VAXes I had setup for SWIFT transfers and4 > replaced them with Sun servers with "replication". > I > There is no way that the Sun solution would have the same functionality  and E > data integrity as the VMS solution had. But guess what: because the L > application on VAX no longer existed, (Palmer had told SWIFT to stop using VMS J > as its key platform), the bank has had to learn to live with an inferiorE > disaster recovery scheme. So they ru the risk of having to re-input 5 > transactiosn from the current day after a failover.  > I > But in the end, because that bank already has lots of Sun servers, they  haveH > expertise in-house (well, it has been outsourced to IBM, but there are still L > lost of people dedicated to that bank with Solaris experience). During the VAX 7 > days, there was nobody else in the bank who knew VMS.  > K > What is more important, and something which the HP/Compaq heads refuse to K > understand is that the damage caused by Palmer is still, to this day, the G > cause of loss of customers.  It has taken many years for that bank to  swith F > from VMS to Solaris. So HP is having to deal today with decisions byJ > customers/ISV during Palmer era which are finally reaching back to HP in the ( > form of non-renewed support contracts.     You are 1000% correct.  K Funnily enough I am working on a variety of Swift-related matters right now E and I'd love to write an OpenVMS Swift-certified gateway but there is K precious little market for OpenVMS in that market due to a dwindling number K of VMS systems in the banking/brokerage world and zero (0) advertising into J that market. JF, if HP would like to fund my efforts, cash up-front, maybe you'd like to help out?   K Unfortunately given the nature of the types of transactions and their value L it is highly unlikely that many banks/brokers would ever consider an ASP for this sort of thing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 13:26:26 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be OpenVMS OpenV , Message-ID: <409BC690.2FFCC8A0@teksavvy.com>  F You know, VMS may be really really really great for disaster recovery.  L But a former employer just spent 18 months and nearly 1000 hours of overtimeH to kicks the disaster tolerant VAXes I had setup for SWIFT transfers and2 replaced them with Sun servers with "replication".  K There is no way that the Sun solution would have the same functionality and C data integrity as the VMS solution had. But guess what: because the N application on VAX no longer existed, (Palmer had told SWIFT to stop using VMSH as its key platform), the bank has had to learn to live with an inferiorC disaster recovery scheme. So they ru the risk of having to re-input 3 transactiosn from the current day after a failover.   L But in the end, because that bank already has lots of Sun servers, they haveL expertise in-house (well, it has been outsourced to IBM, but there are stillN lost of people dedicated to that bank with Solaris experience). During the VAX5 days, there was nobody else in the bank who knew VMS.   I What is more important, and something which the HP/Compaq heads refuse to I understand is that the damage caused by Palmer is still, to this day, the K cause of loss of customers.  It has taken many years for that bank to swith D from VMS to Solaris. So HP is having to deal today with decisions byL customers/ISV during Palmer era which are finally reaching back to HP in the& form of non-renewed support contracts.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 23:52:48 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the answer may be OpenVMS OpenV @ Message-ID: <a2314b901f061e794ff18677689e22e5@news.teranews.com>   John Smith wrote: G > and I'd love to write an OpenVMS Swift-certified gateway but there is M > precious little market for OpenVMS in that market due to a dwindling number M > of VMS systems in the banking/brokerage world and zero (0) advertising into L > that market. JF, if HP would like to fund my efforts, cash up-front, maybe > you'd like to help out?   N Of course. But getting SWIFT's blessing to have a VMS-based certified solutionJ would take a serious commitment from HP. Also, for banks to consider a VMSN based solution, it would take much more than a 2 man outfit, you'd need serousL money to fund a real company with real/continual support. Remember that withG SWIFT, you need constant software upgrades delivered on specific dates.   M > Unfortunately given the nature of the types of transactions and their value N > it is highly unlikely that many banks/brokers would ever consider an ASP for > this sort of thing.   K The problem is that SWIFT connect to corporate banking platforms and from a . security point of view, there are many issues.  I However, one canadian trust company which was purchased by a toronto bank L which has a house of water brokerage firm used to have ST400 on VMS whose OS management had been outsourced.   L Where the ASP model may work is for branches of foreign banks operating in aI country. They may not want to deal with the overhead of running their own M SWIFT terminal and having some trusted firm provide disaster-tolerant turnkey  solution might be a good thing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 13:07:31 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> J Subject: Re: Intel is killing processors today, will itanium be axed too ?, Message-ID: <409BC223.70AFD027@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote: J > It all makes me wonder what 'contribution' the OpenVMS division is beingM > charged back internally at HP for Itanic development costs given that HP is I > a 'partner' in Itanic in more ways than Dell is an Intel 'partner' that   > simply buys chips off the fab.  J My guess is that whatever sweet deals Compaq had negotiated with Intel areL still in force, and the Intel funding for the port of VMS to that IA64 thing@ is still intact, and HP still obligated to bring it to fruition.  K Once the contractual obligations with Intel have been fulfilled, then we'll M see HP's real intentions with VMS, especially when Intel announces end of the  line for IA64.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 19:20:49 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>J Subject: Re: Intel is killing processors today, will itanium be axed too ?2 Message-ID: <f-udnW8xausthAHdRVn-hg@metrocast.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:NbmdnfOBHo0GEAbdRVn-tw@igs.net...   ...     What do youI > figure lost Alpha sales were worth over the past 3 years as a result of  that	 > action?   I Something over $1.5 billion in profit.  VMS system profits ran about $800 H million annually prior to the Alphacide, on revenues of $4 billion.  TheJ most recent figure mentioned was about $500 million on revenue of under $3F billion, IIRC latish last year.  And back at the end of 2001, while noJ profit figures were mentioned VMS system revenues were down by 50% - to $2 billion.  L So that's about $1 billion in lost profit on VMS systems alone over the pastL 3- years.  Prior to the Alphacide, Tru64 systems brought in about $3 billionK in annual revenue, and their sales fell off a cliff after the Alphacide and K subsequent announcement that the OS would not be ported to Itanic.  Even if J average profit on a Tru64 system was less than on a VMS system, that's the1 better part of another $1 billion in lost profit.   H And the profit hits will continue, because a great deal of the remainingK profit accrues not from new system sales but from residual service revenues I on hardware that will often be replaced by a different system (often from I some other vendor) at the end of its life - just as so many Alpha systems  already have been.  L But Carly's hell on wheels at saving money, so she's doubtless very proud ofJ the $400 - $500 million that killing off Alpha development saved over thatD time period - plus, of course, all the additional money saved by not advertising VMS.   - bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 17:28:12 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) @ Subject: Re: LIB$GETDVI() v. DVI$_ACPTYPE: Why so many UNKNOWNs?- Message-ID: <kMr5i3t9a+jd@cuebid.zko.dec.com>    sms@antinode.org writes:I >    Today's mystery/annoyance: useful integer results, but uninformative I > string results, from lib$getdvi() for item DVI$_ACPTYPE on various file 
 > systems. >   > ALP $ dvi_acp DKA0 DKA400 LDA1> >  device:         DKA0, sts = 1  res_i =   2, res_s: >F11V2<.@ >  device:       DKA400, sts = 1  res_i =   7, res_s: >UNKNOWN<.@ >  device:         LDA1, sts = 1  res_i =  11, res_s: >UNKNOWN<. > 4 >    So why are two of the string results "UNKNOWN"?  J Because not everything is as automated as we'd like it.  While my previousJ post that stated "nothing extra" is needed to get the LIB$ and F$ forms ofI $GETxxx to work correctly, the LIB$ form is a bit special in that certain D item codes also return strings in addition to the integer constants.  E That strings are also returned means that a *different* source module G needs to be updated with the string constants when the $GETxxx service  A is updated (I just learned this while researching your question).   I So, we need to update the module [LIBRTL]LIBLEXICA (for those with source H listings), in addition to any system service work, whenever an item codeD is added or modified that returns a string in addition to an integer constant  D I'll try to get this done for V8.2, but it is unlikely to happen for the field test version.    Thanks for pointing this out!    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:34:28 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org@ Subject: Re: LIB$GETDVI() v. DVI$_ACPTYPE: Why so many UNKNOWNs?) Message-ID: <04050713342813@antinode.org>   / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)   6 > >    So why are two of the string results "UNKNOWN"?  @ > Because not everything is as automated as we'd like it.  [...]  /    More evidence that everything's complicated.    > Thanks for pointing this out!   F    Glad to help.  Complaining is recreational.  (You could repay me by< finding the answer to the PWS power-up != power-on mystery.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 01:00:48 +0100 ) From: Witchy <news@sruasonidyranib.co.uk> ' Subject: MicroVAX 3100-95 and SCSI ID 6 8 Message-ID: <9d8o905dgg2a2m8v9sndkn6nvn9glnk0fb@4ax.com>   Folks,  D Had a strange one in from a customer this week; they've got a prettyE packed SCSI bus on thier 3100-90 and had added a TLZ9L autoloader. We F could see all devices at console level but once the system was running( the TLZ9L vanished - it was set as ID 6.  @ Workshop testing has shown that with the SCSI bus set at ID 7 itF doesn't matter what's plugged in as ID 6 - VMS 7.2 won't see it unless- it's a disk set as ID 6 and it's a boot disk.   F Anyone come across this problem before? We've got round the problem byA setting the 3100's controller to 6 and putting the TLZ6L at 7 but F surely it doesn't matter to the 3100 what ID its controller is set to?   Anyone?      -- cheers,    witchy/binarydinosaurs   ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2004 17:21:07 -0700 $ From: rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan)2 Subject: Re: Normal operating temerpature for ES40= Message-ID: <fbcf38dc.0405071621.4c75676f@posting.google.com>   < My four cpu 500MHz ES40 which was installed sep-2000 has the
 following:  + -------------------------------------------       ES40 CPU Temperature Monitor+ -------------------------------------------  CPU  0   Temperature  78 CPU  1   Temperature  78 CPU  2   Temperature  77 CPU  3   Temperature  75 CPU  4   Temperature  75 CPU  5   Temperature  73 CPU  6   Temperature  69  E The other ES40 machine I have access to, a rack mount 2 processor 667  MHz machine has:  ) -----------------------------------------       ES40 CPU Temperature Monitor+ -------------------------------------------  CPU  0   Temperature  787 CPU  1   Temperature  80 WARNING - HIGH CPU TEMPERATURE  CPU  2   Temperature  78 CPU  3   Temperature  69 CPU  4   Temperature  71  @ The "High CPU Temp" warning is a bit disturbing.  80C is 176F, aC little toasty.  Why does it show temperatures for CPUs that are not  there?   Regards,	 /RC Bryan   a brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote in message news:<04043009103323@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>... L > I have an AlphaServer ES40 (4x667, 3-GB) and was wondering what the normal$ > internal operating temperature is. > O > I have been using the CPU_TEMPERATURE.COM posted in openvms.org and have been C > seeing ranges between 71 and 84 (I modified the procedure a bit).  >  > SENSOR_0" = "82.40 > SENSOR_1" = "82.40 > SENSOR_2" = "84.20 > SENSOR_3" = "71.60 > SENSOR_4" = "78.80 > SENSOR_5" = "73.40 > SENSOR_6" = "73.40 >  > N > The other day these values were between 87 and 93.  That is when some of ourF > other servers started to have heat stroke - our A/C unit went out... >  > Q > Anyone else running this process that would care to share the temperature range  > they normally experience?  >  > 0 > I find the above values too high for my taste. >  > TIA  >  >  >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 21:11:38 +0200% From: "Jakob Erber" <erberj@yahoo.de>  Subject: Oracle AQ) Message-ID: <c7gn36$9p7$1@newshispeed.ch>    Hello,  K is somebody using Oracle Advanced Queing for Message Queing Applications on I VMS? We tried it 2 years ago, using the C interface and did not make good I experiences (DB crashes, extensive coding, specific DB knowledge required  ...). 8 I would be interested to here others about this product.   best regards   Jakob    ------------------------------   Date: 07 May 2004 22:43:07 GMT1 From: schroedingerzkat@aol.com (SchroedingerzKat)  Subject: pine or related on VMS : Message-ID: <20040507184307.25300.00000713@mb-m22.aol.com>  N I tried to setup pine on vms shell account.  It works fine for receive, but onK transmit it is looking for an SMTP or sendmail.  Of course, sendmail is not ? there like on a Unix system.  Any tips on getting this working?   O I've tried the "mail" program, but it's a tad difficult to follow threads, etc.   N FWIW, I tried to RTFM today.  I went to the college library and found a coupleN of VMS texts.  Unfortunately they are outdated, however they have good tips onN shell accounts.  However, the library computers were down and I couldn't checkO the books out.  Maybe they got hit with Sasser, I dunno.  They should have used 	 VMS.  <g>    Michael    ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2004 21:04:59 -0700 $ From: rcbryan@hotmail.com (RC Bryan)# Subject: Re: pine or related on VMS = Message-ID: <fbcf38dc.0405072004.4c9c4b6f@posting.google.com>    RTFM?  May I suggest going to   ) http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/INDEX.HTML    A All the VMS manuals are online.  I have paper on my shelf but for  anything new, I just go online.   ? I don't know anything about pine but I have batch jobs that run / everynight that send me email with the results.    (with si defined as sys$input)  ?  mail si: "smtp%rcbryan@bea.com"/sub="Nightly Build Produced No " Output:''nodename'"/per="RC Bryan"  D This is then followed by the data I want to mail.  I guess this goes2 into the For What It's Worth category.  Good luck.   Regards,	 /RC Bryan   s schroedingerzkat@aol.com (SchroedingerzKat) wrote in message news:<20040507184307.25300.00000713@mb-m22.aol.com>... P > I tried to setup pine on vms shell account.  It works fine for receive, but onM > transmit it is looking for an SMTP or sendmail.  Of course, sendmail is not A > there like on a Unix system.  Any tips on getting this working?  > Q > I've tried the "mail" program, but it's a tad difficult to follow threads, etc.  > P > FWIW, I tried to RTFM today.  I went to the college library and found a coupleP > of VMS texts.  Unfortunately they are outdated, however they have good tips onP > shell accounts.  However, the library computers were down and I couldn't checkQ > the books out.  Maybe they got hit with Sasser, I dunno.  They should have used  > VMS.  <g>  > 	 > Michael    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 13:05:08 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org" Subject: PWS500 Power Switch again) Message-ID: <04050713050802@antinode.org>   # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   < > 2.  Anybody have a hardware manual in Electronic form?  Or >     superfluous hardcopy?   H    Have you tried the Zip-compressed (Windows-self-extracting, I assume)= "ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/workstations/miatasg.exe"?   G > 3.  Speed setting.  The DIP switch on the PCI board has the following C >     settings for a 500au and a 600au.  Is this how it is clocked? / >     Anybody have a definition of this switch?   F    From somewhere, I have the following, which agrees with the service' guide's picture of the 433MHz settings:    --------      CPU speed jumpers:              8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1      433Mc   D U D U U D D U    500Mc   D U U U U D D U    600Mc   D D U D D U D U   0   U= up, D= down. Keep the CPU/DIMMs at the top.   --------  E    As I have the same power control problem, and am about as vexed, I # agree that more info would be nice.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 11:17:55 -0700 & From: Tom Crabtree <tccrab@sunset.net>& Subject: Re: PWS500 Power Switch again, Message-ID: <c7gjst010r5@enews2.newsguy.com>   > B > I have several of each of these PWS500au and PWS600au and XP1000 > 4 > 1.  Two of these won't power back up automatically? >     after break in power, several others will.  I have taken  @ >     them apart and compared them and can't see any difference.F >     Now there are some differences as the boards represent differentJ >     revisions I imagine.  Anybody know how to solve this vexing problem?G I have a few MX5 500A's and one GL 500AU.  The GL powers back up after  ! break in power, the MX5's do not.  > G >     It isn't OS related as far as I can tell since I have 5.1B on one F >     and VMS7.3-1 on another.  Also checked the SRM console (not just2 >     from consvar) and found nothing appropriate. > < > 2.  Anybody have a hardware manual in Electronic form?  Or >     superfluous hardcopy?  > G > 3.  Speed setting.  The DIP switch on the PCI board has the following C >     settings for a 500au and a 600au.  Is this how it is clocked? / >     Anybody have a definition of this switch?  >  > 	500		600  >  > 1	off		off
 > 2	on		on
 > 3	on		on > 4	off		on  > 5	off		on  > 6	off		off > 7	off		on 
 > 8	on		on Here's a link:- http://demaagd.com/compmod/miata-clocking.txt    TomC   ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2004 13:01:40 -0700 % From: tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) - Subject: Queuing a file to print from FORTRAN5< Message-ID: <ea44f5a1.0405071201.96b7bec@posting.google.com>  E I am having to upgrade an application to queue files to a TCPIP queue 
 for printing.L  F Currently, the application simply uses the terminal device name of the printer as the file name.n  ; I know that I could just set the disposition of the file toP PRINT/DELETE andF print to SYS$PRINT queue.  But I would like to have the application be asE flexible as it is now.  As of now, changing to a different printer iseF just a matter of changing a logical name, so I don't know if I want to? lock into SYS$PRINT queue.  Changing the SYS$PRINT queue deviceE( effects more than just this application.  > There seems to be no way to print a file to a queue other than SYS$PRINT.  TheseSD TCPIP queues are not defined on a device so you cannot just print to the device.n  F I know I can just close the file and then spawn a command to print theE file.  That is not too hard, but will have to change code in multiple 
 places andF come up with unique file names. I was looking for a even easier way to do this.   ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2004 15:34:24 -0600n- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)w1 Subject: Re: Queuing a file to print from FORTRANd3 Message-ID: <efp+NHa5CRXH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <ea44f5a1.0405071201.96b7bec@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:  = > I know that I could just set the disposition of the file toe > PRINT/DELETE andH > print to SYS$PRINT queue.  But I would like to have the application be > asG > flexible as it is now.  As of now, changing to a different printer iseH > just a matter of changing a logical name, so I don't know if I want toA > lock into SYS$PRINT queue.  Changing the SYS$PRINT queue deviceo* > effects more than just this application.  @ Have you considered setting the user mode logical name SYS$PRINT from within the application ?0   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 21:05:45 GMTn# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)-1 Subject: Re: Queuing a file to print from FORTRANu0 Message-ID: <JSSmc.1098$vP4.96@news.cpqcorp.net>  d In article <ea44f5a1.0405071201.96b7bec@posting.google.com>, tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) writes:F :I am having to upgrade an application to queue files to a TCPIP queue :for printing.' :...Changing the SYS$PRINT queue devicee) :effects more than just this application.  :o? :There seems to be no way to print a file to a queue other thane
 :SYS$PRINT.  g  F   PRINT/QUEUE is the DCL-level specification that allows you to select   the target file.  D   Within an application program, the sys$sndjbc[w] system service isE   the usual mechanism.  This system service provides full applicationy+   control over print and batch submissions.      From:e       http://askq.compaq.com/      Using the search string:  B     a fortran example of printing using sys$sndjbc to print a file  &   You will find (among other entries):  7 	Example-FORTRAN Using $SNDJBCW To Print Multiple Files-? 	Example-FORTRAN Using $SNDJBCW to Send A File To A Print QueueeG 	FORTRAN-Example of issuing print requests using $SNDJBCW system serrv.A  H   There are a large number of other examples, I didn't dig particularly     deeply or particularly widely.  K   Attached below is the Fortran source code from one of the above examples.P  I   You can also redirect output via the queue name (respecifying the queueiF   name as a logical, which will then be translated) or via various DCLC   commands including ASSIGN/QUEUE, depending on local requirements.   K :These TCPIP queues are not defined on a device so you cannot just print ton :the device.  F   You're looking at a spooled device here, which differs from a queue.F   Programs that typically directly access an output device can tend toH   use spooled devices to allow sharing, as it avoids modifying the code.6   If I had the code, I'd typically call sys$sndjbc[w].    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqAN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com5   	--3    G c       This is an example of how to use the $SNDJBCW system service toe4 c       send a print request from a FORTRAN program.               IMPLICIT INTEGER(A-Z)          INCLUDE '($SJCDEF)'r         INCLUDE '($JBCMSGDEF)'  %         INTEGER*2 MBUWORD(20),IOSB(4)?         INTEGER*4 MBULONG(10)n  '         CHARACTER*39 FILE_SPECIFICATIONS         CHARACTER*31 QUEUE  %         EQUIVALENCE (MBUWORD,MBULONG)i           MBUWORD(1) = 31a         MBUWORD(2) = SJC$_QUEUEs          MBULONG(2) = %LOC(QUEUE)         MBULONG(3) = 0           MBUWORD(7) = 39w,         MBUWORD(8) = SJC$_FILE_SPECIFICATION-         MBULONG(5) = %LOC(FILE_SPECIFICATION)o         MBULONG(6) = 0           MBUWORD(13) = 0I!         MBUWORD(14) = SJC$_NOTIFYe         MBULONG(8) =  0a         MBULONG(9) = 0           MBULONG(10) = 0a    ' C       GET THE FILE SPEC TO BE PRINTEDh           WRITE(5,100)7 100     FORMAT(' Enter the filename to be printed: ',$)-&         ACCEPT 200, FILE_SPECIFICATION 200     FORMAT(A39)n   C       GET THE PRINT QUEUE            write(5,300)- 300     FORMAT(' Enter print queue name: ',$)a         ACCEPT 400,QUEUE 400     FORMAT(A31).  "         FUNCTION = SJC$_ENTER_FILE7         STATUS=SYS$SNDJBCW(,%VAL(FUNCTION),,MBULONG,,,) 4         IF (.NOT.STATUS) CALL SYS$EXIT(%VAL(STATUS))         ENDf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:28:56 -0700 3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>t1 Subject: Re: Queuing a file to print from FORTRAN . Message-ID: <409BFF98.4000609@Flying-Disk.com>   Tom Adams wrote:G > I am having to upgrade an application to queue files to a TCPIP queueo > for printing.t  @ > There seems to be no way to print a file to a queue other than > SYS$PRINT.  @ Balderdash!   I do it all the time.   Here is a BASIC subroutineB that does exactly that.   Just define logical names for the queue,= form name, and whether or not to delete the file.   Then callr> this subroutine with the file name, number of copies to print,# and the three logical name strings.a  A Translating this from DEC BASIC to FORTRAN is left as an exercise = for the student.   I believe the two languages handle strings @ somewhat differently, so you will probably have some work there.  @ I will be happy to answer questions (and accept criticism of the code).   Just post here.   Alan  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------  , 1000	%Title "Queue file to printer function" 	%Ident "V01.00"  6 	FUNCTION LONG Queue_To_Printer( STRING File_Name,			&" 					STRING Queue_Logical_Name,		&! 					STRING Form_Logical_Name,		&M# 					STRING Delete_Logical_Name,		&  					LONG   Number_of_Copies)I  =   ! This function attempts to queue a file (File_Name) to the(C   ! printer queue specified by the logical name Queue_Logical_Name.      ! Written:   ! (   !	26-Mar-1996	Alan E. Frisbie (v01.00)   !N
   ! Modified:    !N   !mF 	OPTION TYPE = EXPLICIT		! Require variables to be explicitly declared  Q   !==============================================================================    !T   ! Global definitions   ! Q   !==============================================================================   0 	EXTERNAL STRING FUNCTION Translate_LNM( STRING)  D 	EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION SYS$SNDJBCW (LONG BY VALUE, WORD BY VALUE,	&C 		LONG BY VALUE, ITEM_LIST, LONG DIM() BY REF, LONG BY VALUE, LONG)s  " 	EXTERNAL LONG CONSTANT SS$_NORMAL  B 	%INCLUDE "$SJCDEF" %FROM %LIBRARY "SYS$LIBRARY:BASIC$STARLET.TLB"     ! Masks for EDIT$ function:!   !V'   !	  1 = Discard parity bit (H.O. bit)T#   !	  2 = Discard all spaces & tabsA,   !	  4 = Discard CR, LF, FF, DEL, ESC, NULL'   !	  8 = Discard leading spaces & tabsA:   !	 16 = Convert multiple spaces & tabs to a single space*   !	 32 = Convert lower case to UPPER CASE3   !	 64 = Convert brackets "[]" to parenthesis "()"Q(   !	128 = Discard trailing spaces & tabs4   !	256 = Suppress editing within quotation marks ""  * 	DECLARE INTEGER CONSTANT Strip_Parity = 1, 	DECLARE INTEGER CONSTANT Discard_Spaces = 2& 	DECLARE INTEGER CONSTANT Up_Case = 32+ 	DECLARE INTEGER CONSTANT Up_Case_Trim = 34   Q   !===============================================================================   !    ! Local variables/parameters   !EQ   !==============================================================================M  @ 	DECLARE INTEGER Queue_Name_Length	! Length of queue name string> 	DECLARE INTEGER Form_Name_Length	! Length of form name string: 	DECLARE LONG Queue_Status	! Status returned by SYS$SNDJBC; 	DECLARE LONG IOSB(1)		! two longwords for I/O Status BlocksI 	DECLARE STRING Delete_Flag	! "T" if we should delete file after printing G 	DECLARE STRING Specified_Queue	! Printer queue specified by the callereB 	DECLARE STRING Specified_Form	! Form name specified by the caller  /   ! Declare the item list for the queue requesti   	RECORD Item_List  	  GROUP Item(5) 	    VARIANT
 	        CASE  	          WORD Buf_Len. 	          WORD Item_CodeH 	          LONG Buffer_Address% 	          LONG Return_Length_Addressn
 	        CASEl 	          LONG Terminator 	    END VARIANT 	  END GROUP Itemy 	END RECORD Item_Listr  C 	DECLARE Item_List SNDJBC_Items	! Declare an instance of the record:  ^ 	DECLARE INTEGER CONSTANT Buffer_Length = 80	! This should be long enough for queue/file names  ? 	COMMON (Name_Buffer_1) STRING Local_Queue_Name = Buffer_Lengthe> 	COMMON (Name_Buffer_2) STRING Local_File_Name = Buffer_Length> 	COMMON (Name_Buffer_3) STRING Local_Form_Name = Buffer_Length  Q   !==============================================================================r   !v   ! Start of executable code   !eQ   !==============================================================================s  H   ! Because VMS Item Lists require the address of string *data* (not theK   ! address of the *descriptor*), we must copy the dynamic strings to fixedl   ! string buffers.    Yuck!  H 2000	Local_File_Name = File_Name		! Copy filename to fixed-length buffer) 						! (we will use the original length)   K   ! Get the actual queue name from the logical name supplied by the caller.pQ   ! If none was specified, default to SYS$PRINT.   If it translates to "NOPRINT", ;   ! then do not queue the file and return a Success status.a  R 	IF (Queue_Logical_Name = "") THEN	! If the caller did not specify a queue name...! 	  Local_Queue_Name = "SYS$PRINT"r- 	  Queue_Name_Length = LEN( Local_Queue_Name)  	ELSEb\ 	  Specified_Queue = Translate_LNM( Queue_Logical_Name)	! Get actual queue name from logicalL 	  IF (Specified_Queue = "NOPRINT") THEN	! If we should not print it at all,P 	    Queue_To_Printer = SS$_NORMAL	! return status for no problems with the call 	    GOTO Get_Out			! and exit	 	  END IFdH 	  IF (Specified_Queue = "") THEN Specified_Queue = "SYS$PRINT" \ END IF> 	  Local_Queue_Name = Specified_Queue		! Set actual queue name= 	  Queue_Name_Length = LEN( Specified_Queue)	! and its lengthl 	END IFt  T   ! Get the name of the printer "form" from the logical name supplied by the caller.U   ! This form name will, in turn, specify a setup module from the text library (.TLB)c>   ! file associated with the particular print queue specified.  P 	IF (Form_Logical_Name = "") THEN	! If the caller did not specify a Form name... 	  Local_Form_Name = "DEFAULT"+ 	  Form_Name_Length = LEN( Local_Form_Name)d( 	ELSE					! If a form name was specifiedY 	  Specified_Form = Translate_LNM( Form_Logical_Name)	! Get actual Form name from logical D 	  IF (Specified_Form = "") THEN Specified_Form = "DEFAULT" \ END IF; 	  Local_Form_Name = Specified_Form		! Set actual Form namei; 	  Form_Name_Length = LEN( Specified_Form)	! and its lengthk# 	END IF		! (Form_Logical_Name = "")   4   ! See if we want to delete the file after printing  [ 	Delete_Flag = Translate_LNM( Delete_Logical_Name)	! Get actual delete command from logical X 	Delete_Flag = LEFT$( EDIT$( Delete_Flag, Up_Case), 1%)	! Get first character of command  R   ! Now take the translated strings and stuff them in to the various record items:     ! Set up the Queue Name   3 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(0)::Buf_Len = Queue_Name_Lengtho. 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(0)::Item_Code = SJC$_Queue? 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(0)::Buffer_Address = LOC( Local_Queue_Name) = 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(0)::Return_Length_Address = 0%	! Not usedy     ! Set up the File Name  1 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(1)::Buf_Len = LEN( File_Name)m; 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(1)::Item_Code = SJC$_File_Specification > 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(1)::Buffer_Address = LOC( Local_File_Name)= 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(1)::Return_Length_Address = 0%	! Not useda     ! Set up the Form Name  2 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(2)::Buf_Len = Form_Name_Length2 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(2)::Item_Code = SJC$_Form_Name> 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(2)::Buffer_Address = LOC( Local_Form_Name)= 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(2)::Return_Length_Address = 0%	! Not used.  (   ! Set up the Delete Flag, if specified  1 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(3)::Buf_Len = 0%			! Not usedt7 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(3)::Buffer_Address = 0%		! Not usedh= 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(3)::Return_Length_Address = 0%	! Not usedI  4 	IF ((Delete_Flag = "T") OR (Delete_Flag = "Y"))THEN6 	  SNDJBC_Items::Item(3)::Item_Code = SJC$_Delete_File 	ELSE 9 	  SNDJBC_Items::Item(3)::Item_Code = SJC$_No_Delete_Filea 	END IFo  A   ! Set the number of copies to print (0 will be translated to 1)h  = 	If (Number_of_Copies = 0) THEN Number_of_Copies = 1 \ END IF   ? 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(4)::Buf_Len = 4%			! One longword (4 bytes) 4 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(4)::Item_Code = SJC$_File_Copies? 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(4)::Buffer_Address = LOC( Number_of_Copies)t= 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(4)::Return_Length_Address = 0%	! Not usedh     ! Terminate the list  > 	SNDJBC_Items::Item(5)::Terminator = 0%			! Terminate the list  @   ! Send the request to the Job Controller (and Wait for status)  K 	Queue_Status = SYS$SNDJBCW( , SJC$_Enter_File, , SNDJBC_Items, IOSB(), , )g  F 	IF (Queue_Status AND SS$_NORMAL) THEN	! If no problems with the call,4 	  Queue_To_Printer = IOSB(0)	! Return SNDJBC status 	ELSEeA 	  Queue_To_Printer = Queue_Status	! Otherwise return call statusI 	END IFn   Get_Out:# 	END FUNCTION				! Return to caller    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 01:05:24 GMT 5 From: brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton)o1 Subject: Re: Queuing a file to print from FORTRAN/, Message-ID: <onWmc.1136$xw3.97613@attbi_s04>  g In article <TzUmc.4370$eH1.2297743@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> writes:n !snip! !  !Don't change the application! !aK !Just create some fake LTA devices and set them spooled pointing to the newlI !TCPIP queues.  The LTA devices don't have to point to an actual terminal-& !server because they'll never be used. !0 !An example: !z !$ MCR LATCP CREATE PORT LTA888 1 !$ SET DEVICE/SPOOLED=(ANY_QUEUE_YOU_WANT) LTA888i !$ COPY SOMEFILE.TXT LTA888: !   O I don't have access to a cluster (and generic print queues).  Is it possible to * point a spooled device at a generic queue?  I !And then watch SOMEFILE.TXT print on the ANY_QUEUE_YOU_WANT print queue.e !o
 !John Votteros !  !e  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 23:02:11 GMTr% From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>i1 Subject: Re: Queuing a file to print from FORTRANu? Message-ID: <TzUmc.4370$eH1.2297743@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>a  2 "Tom Adams" <tadamsmar@yahoo.com> wrote in message6 news:ea44f5a1.0405071201.96b7bec@posting.google.com...G > I am having to upgrade an application to queue files to a TCPIP queuet > for printing.t >tH > Currently, the application simply uses the terminal device name of the > printer as the file name.V > = > I know that I could just set the disposition of the file toe > PRINT/DELETE andH > print to SYS$PRINT queue.  But I would like to have the application be > asG > flexible as it is now.  As of now, changing to a different printer ismH > just a matter of changing a logical name, so I don't know if I want toA > lock into SYS$PRINT queue.  Changing the SYS$PRINT queue devicee* > effects more than just this application. >-@ > There seems to be no way to print a file to a queue other than > SYS$PRINT.  TheseeF > TCPIP queues are not defined on a device so you cannot just print to
 > the device.h >nH > I know I can just close the file and then spawn a command to print theG > file.  That is not too hard, but will have to change code in multipleV > places andH > come up with unique file names. I was looking for a even easier way to
 > do this.     Don't change the application!e  J Just create some fake LTA devices and set them spooled pointing to the newH TCPIP queues.  The LTA devices don't have to point to an actual terminal% server because they'll never be used.t   An example:e   $ MCR LATCP CREATE PORT LTA8880 $ SET DEVICE/SPOOLED=(ANY_QUEUE_YOU_WANT) LTA888 $ COPY SOMEFILE.TXT LTA888:r  H And then watch SOMEFILE.TXT print on the ANY_QUEUE_YOU_WANT print queue.   John Vottero   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 17:07:56 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)r% Subject: Re: RRD46 tray won't stay in 1 Message-ID: <MnPmc.1076$VG4.608@news.cpqcorp.net>s  \ In article <87r7txuqxm.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> writes:& :hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: :bJ :>   Why do I now "hear" someone thinking of asking for the implementationN :>   and use of a system parameter flag or such to control the eject-on-unloadA :>   and lock-the-door behaviours of the dismount operation?  :-)b :eK :So what has SET VOL/UNLOAD done so you are no longer on speaking terms? :)   E   That is another way to control the /[NO]UNLOAD default particularlynG   around spindown and the current default behaviour of the /[NO]UNLOAD.hG   (Internally, spindown is yet another drive state and power managementlH   command within the SCSI command set and the ATAPI packet command set.)  F   The unload operation can certainly trigger medium spindown, but doesF   not currently attempt to control the door or the tray, nor do MOUNT F   and DISMOUNT conspire to maintain the door/tray lock state.   As wasE   mentioned, there similar controls around using MOUNT/[NO]UNLOAD andt   DISMOUNT/[NO]UNLOAD. i  F   Were this to ever be implemented -- and AFAIK, there are no plans atD   present -- then the classic design would involve the creation of aG   system-wide default setting for the eject and/or for lock processing,eD   with some sort of a device-specific control to override the systemF   default behaviour.   The default OpenVMS installation would maintain+   behaviour identical to current behaviour.f    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqoN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comR   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 19:46:50 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>Y Subject: SWIFT Access on VMS, WAS: Re: HP World Magazine: For Business Continuity...the ay* Message-ID: <c7glit$1jga$1@news.wplus.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:409BC690.2FFCC8A0@teksavvy.com...H > You know, VMS may be really really really great for disaster recovery. >eE > But a former employer just spent 18 months and nearly 1000 hours ofi overtimeJ > to kicks the disaster tolerant VAXes I had setup for SWIFT transfers and4 > replaced them with Sun servers with "replication". > <SNIP>  K The whole SWIFT and VMS issue is one that I find quite annoying too, as youiK say SWIFT dropped their ST400 product infavor of SWIFT Alliance (on various4J unixs and windows). So instantly that was 1000's of VMS boxes redundant in banks all over the world.h  I There are other third party SWIFT CBT products for VMS however, including.E FastWire by Logica CMG, they did even manage to sell it to a few EasttJ European banks, who had to lose ST400, but wanted to keep their investmentI in VAX or Alpha and VMS. Although one of their people told me they didn'taE really approach it as best they could, nor did they get quite as manyn" customers out of it as they could.  C FastWire however does not provide SWIFTNet Link access capabilitiesiI (SWIFTNet being the TCP/IP SWIFT network), although it did to the old X25 I SWIFT network. Thus if you want to run FastWire as your SWIFT CBT system,-C you still need to buy SWIFT Alliance Access Gateway and run it on ae% windows/unix box to get connectivity.t  J Looking at the following page http://www.swift.com/index.cfm?item_id=41636K we can see while there are still a number of companies offering a SWIFT CBT.L on VMS non also offer a SWIFTNet link product, so you can't get the completeK solution on VMS anymore. Even though a couple of years ago ST400 on VMS wasw( the dominant product by a long long way.  I There is one exception to this however, a bank I used to work at have got ? their own in house written CBT which does also do SWIFTNet LinkvD connectivity. Although they run at least 4 or five versions of it in& different countries, its not for sale!   Alex   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 18:54:47 -04002 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>* Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists3 Message-ID: <YsUmc.239$Ny6.719@mencken.net.nih.gov>e  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:40980AF2.1307BEDD@teksavvy.com...J > Ok, so lets say I create the above file in TCPIP$SMTO_COMMON: directory. Howe* > does a remote user specify the address ? >t. > can one do "@co_backups.dir"@chocolate.com ?  B No!  Please see my earlier reply.  An external user just emails toE yourlistname@your.domain.name and it's forwarded to the list.  Do not  include the ".dis".t  G > I take it that there is no security at all on who can use that list ?h  K That is correct; there is none unless you SET COMMUNICATION/REJECT hosts oro	 networks.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 23:56:26 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>n* Subject: Re: TCPIP SMTP distribution lists@ Message-ID: <cad366a62db2cf0608beb267910cbe46@news.teranews.com>   Jonathan Boswell wrote:uD > No!  Please see my earlier reply.  An external user just emails toG > yourlistname@your.domain.name and it's forwarded to the list.  Do notc > include the ".dis".D  J Thanks, I was tempoorarily with a very bad news server. Will give it a try
 this weekend.s   ------------------------------   Date: 7 May 2004 11:25:20 -0700s. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)" Subject: TNSPING for OpenVMS Alpha= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0405071025.3b073d88@posting.google.com>   ' Is there a TNSPING for OpenVMS Alpha ?    I It would be good/useful utility for db-links tests (Oracle x Oracle RDB).n     RegardsW   FC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 22:43:12 +0200* From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>) Subject: Re: Trip down [core] memory lane - Message-ID: <c7gsdm$106d$1@news.cybercity.dk>r  F "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message) news:c7frse$tl$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > GreyCloud wrote:F > > Is Sun in trouble now that they had to forge an alliance with M$?? >8: > Have you forgotten that you lost that argument days ago.  L Andrew, You never answered the question:  What did Sun buy from SCO?  I hopeL you realize that SCO is seen as a bunch of leeches, and buying anything fromI them is seen as close to either paying blackmailers or using blackmailersa for personal gains.k   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot comt   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:58:09 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>' Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in the press ) Message-ID: <c7gf7h$kar$1@news.wplus.net>s  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:40991BF0.A1B2EFCB@teksavvy.com...( > CNET has an article that mentions VMS: >s; > http://news.com.com/2100-1006_3-5206065.html?tag=nefd.top- > K > Essentially, it is about how that "adaptive enterprise" buzzword at HP iscJ > still very vague and customers don't really see what it means. This is aE > report from a conference in Europe and they interviewed someone whon	 mentioned-K > VMS and how he was shocked to head of Alpha's demise but will get used to  > running VMS on Superdomes. >-( > There is a most interesting statement: > ##L > By the end of the year, said HP's Paul Miller, vice president of marketing formE > industry standard servers, customers will be able to run OpenVMS on6 Itanium.I > Although the company does not publicize the fact, customers can alreadyo buy ; > Itanium systems with a prerelease version of OpenVMS 8.1.- > ## <SNIP>  H This is not quite true, customers can buy an Itanium box with an OS that they don't want,K hpux or linux for example, then they can separately buy the 8.1 CD for $75.u  L They can not however buy the box without an OS or "with a prerelease version of OpenVMS 8.1."   Alex   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 03:58:19 GMTP, From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net> Subject: VMS news on news.com - Message-ID: <vVYmc.1431$BJ6.129064@attbi_s51>d   Thought this was interesting:e  9 http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5208195.html?tag=nefd.hed    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 03:29:11 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>r- Subject: Re: Where to post a C part time job?d9 Message-ID: <buYmc.25385$ee7.23194@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>8  5 tutor <tutor_removespam_@cfl.rr.com> wrote in messageR2 news:ucgn90pns2rc35ep0o3avpsvvm4113j599@4ax.com...G > Ok, where would I post a need for a C programmer familiar with Vax tow > Alpha Migrations?i >h  E Did you try OpenVMS.ORG?  http://www.openvms.org/phorum/index.php?f=0t  I They have forums related to Job Openings as well as Resume's of potentialh candidates.rL I have used this as a source to pull resume's to fill open positions where I work.h   Mike   > ie:  > F > Need a great C programmer to assist in a Vax to Alpha Migration. CanC > work remotely over the internet. Must be familiar with C programs-H > which create dynamic control command streams - changing user priv's onC > the fly. C programs usually run Cobol programs, so a knowledge ofeE > Cobol is also required, including but not limited to differences inrE > compiling qualifiers. The hours are variable as this is a part timehF > and short term assignment. Expect about 2-4 hours a day, 10+ hours aC > week. Respond with an hourly rate (low ball it and you've got theeB > job), a resume and highlight vax to alpha conversion experience. > Respond to bubi@rogers.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 13:18:15 -0400g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>s2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised, Message-ID: <409BC4A6.6B8FAB01@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote:rF >   page ads in some appropriate trade mag! Is it illegal to advertise >   someone else's product?  > H > Well, in theory you need the owner's permission to use his trademarks.; > but the question is what is the harm if you do it anyway.c    N Well, if HP decides to sue those who tried to advertise VMS, then shareholdersM may start to really wonder about HP's management. Not only ask question aboutnK why VMS isn't being marketed, but why HP would try to prevent it from beinge4 marketed, especially if VMS is a profitable product.  J Perhaps HP should be forced to explain why iut is ok to advertise its very@ profitable printer products and not its profitable VMS business.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 12:56:53 -04003- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised, Message-ID: <409BBFA5.DD769DC7@teksavvy.com>   Nom de Plume wrote:aH > obviously not something they currently wish to fund.  At this point, ID > am resigned to the probability that OpenVMS will eventually witherH > away from lack of commitment (and I consider the lack of marketing the# > biggest indicator of commitment).h  M Once you've resigned yourself that VMS *is* withering away, and lets face it,eN it is withering away, then it is just a question of enjoying it while it stillI lasts, and perhaps looking forwards to it becoming much more open source.c  I For instance, if they could open source the SMTP software that comes withoM TCPIP Services, etc, then I suspect that hobbysists would be able to take VMScJ further, faster than what the HP folks are willing to fund. (Especially ifH Hoff and others are given early retirement and then work from their homeC hobbysists systems to keep on improving the now open source VMS :-)c  M Consider also that HP doesn't do VAX anymore, but hobbyists would continue too improve VAX.  M We don't need fancy intercontinental clustering anymore. We want systems thatyJ can compete against Linux with respect to available features/applications.  N Lets not forget the big un-asked question: once the Intel funding for the portN to that IA64 thing goes away, how much of the VMS engineering team will remainM ? Will folks like Guy Peleg be kept and continue to spew out much appreciatedg improvements to DCL ?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 15:25:59 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>d2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised, Message-ID: <vaKdnZgj4I5bfwbd4p2dnA@igs.net>  2 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3142FF@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...     Kerry,   FYI:  I NEW YORK, May 3, 2004 - The International Securities Exchange, Inc. (ISE)aG announced today that it plans to issue shares of its common stock in antJ underwritten initial public offering. The offering is expected to commenceI in the second half of 2004, subject to Securities and Exchange Commissions? (SEC) effectiveness and the receipt of all necessary approvals.   H .....The success of the ISE has pushed traditional-floor based exchangesB such as CBOE to respond with hybrid models that marry the speed ofG electronic trading with the benefits of open outcry. But one analyst isrJ skeptical about whether the hybrid model is really better than either open$ outcry or electronic markets. ......   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 17:08:08 -0400, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised, Message-ID: <409bfb6c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  H sounds like the crash cluster demos we did a DECworld 87, 88, 90, and 92 (getting better each time)  F we had a box with all the cables etc running through where folks could# 'press a button' that cut the cablepA and the application just kept going. You could cut the following:e   1) CI cables (A or B)  2) Power to processorm
 3) DIsk Cablec 4) Network Cable  F If we cut stuff in the correct order we could take a 4x6000,4xHSC,8xSA1 cluster down to 1 6000, 1 HSC with only A cables,tJ 1 SA with 1 RA drive and the application was still going. Had a nice video3 of it also and a before/after video of thunderstorm ) knocking out the cluster. That was in 87.f   -warren   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:Va6dnaqs4rqNOAfdRVn-vA@igs.net... >(< > "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> wrote in message > L news:92EFB80E551BD511B39500D0B7B0CDCC149CCBD5@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us. > ..F > > Ok, I have to ask...is ole John Smith even going to the boot camp? >oJ > The answer, unfortunately is no. We are working to a tight deadline on aK > prototype application that uses VMS clusters in an extremely high profile H > environment for a consortium of companies.  Our demo includes taking a fireJ > ax to the cables (we like a little drama in our demos) and demonstrating to@ > them how VMS clusters can work in 24x7 environment even if the# > connections/power/sites are lost.a >.K > I'd say that in  this case the knowledge we'd pick up is more than offset  byK > the potential of $10M in software sales to us and a similar amount to thelL > OpenVMS hardware/software sales fund (some to Oracle too), so Boot Camp is > out. >m >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 01:22:00 GMTwL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised6 Message-ID: <00A317E8.A6BB0DE7@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  y In article <409C32D0.821FED07@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:N >Gary McCready wrote:S >> ID >> I'm wondering what worth advertising would be if there is not theG >> pre-sales technical support from HP to really push and configure theS! >> correct OpenVMS based systems?  >iG >Hence, I've been suggesting here that those of us with the inclinationhI >form up a consortium to market and promote VMS. There's *GOTTA* be a waybH >to do it, even with the limited (or most cases, non-existant) resources >available to most of us.o > : >> As I understand it, HP is moving more and more to allowH >> VAR's/Partners/anyone but them to support VMS sales. Which means thatG >> they are no longer a true player in the VMS sales channel - just ask-G >> your favorite local OpenVMS savvy HP employee - if you can find one.0 >0G >Again, illustrates the need for someone to take this bull by the horns 4 >and make it dance to market's tune instead of hp's.  J Advertising is expensive.  While it might be possible to persuade some of J what few  ISVs and resellers are still thoroughly committed to VMS to kickD in for some ads, there aren't a lot of other deep pockets out there.  F What I think seems likely to have some effectiveness here is to form aF (necessarily) small organization of VMS professionals whose goal is toM encourage (or shame) HP into paying for advertising VMS, or, failing that, to  admit that they don't mean to.  F Professional association dues may be tax-deductible, which will help. J Charge a hundred buck annual membership fee for individuals, thousand buck for businesses.S  C Turn it all over to a PR professional to run a PR campaign for this7G purpose.  (As I recently learned from research done for a non-computingaB nonprofit, a PR campaign is a lot more than just sending out pressK releases.  You need to build relationships with media gatekeepers, send out J press releases, take people to lunch, etc.  It's not rocket science, as itE turns out, but it's a _lot_ of work; you have to keep pushing all theaA time.)  Get somebody who already has media gatekeeper contacts.  p  H Coordinate efforts to get questions asked in stockholder meetings.  Get I non-computer journalists interested in the story of the plucky group thatdH wants to get the word out.  With enough ink, you can get the director ofH the organization to be one of the people always called for comment after virus outbreaks.  D Just an idea.  I don't have time, but I'd kick in the hundred bucks.   -- Alant   -- lO ===============================================================================R0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056pM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025aO ===============================================================================v   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 20:07:28 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised6 Message-ID: <409C32D0.821FED07@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Gary McCready wrote: > C > I'm wondering what worth advertising would be if there is not theuF > pre-sales technical support from HP to really push and configure the  > correct OpenVMS based systems?  F Hence, I've been suggesting here that those of us with the inclinationH form up a consortium to market and promote VMS. There's *GOTTA* be a wayG to do it, even with the limited (or most cases, non-existant) resourcesO available to most of us.  9 > As I understand it, HP is moving more and more to allowiG > VAR's/Partners/anyone but them to support VMS sales. Which means thatSF > they are no longer a true player in the VMS sales channel - just askF > your favorite local OpenVMS savvy HP employee - if you can find one.  F Again, illustrates the need for someone to take this bull by the horns3 and make it dance to market's tune instead of hp's.   E > Of course, this is the same company that took so long (for whatever H > reason) to become a sponsor in "HPWorld" for 2004 (run by Interex). SoH > perhaps this is not inconsistent with their overall marketing efforts.  = ...or lack there of, as the case may be (and it probably is).   > > I work for a company where VMS and Storageworks are criticalD > components of our primary application. We hope to keep it that way5 > here, but HP does not always make it easy to do so.I  H Sounds like solid testimony to me: The need is illustrated, let's get to work!=   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE SystemsE http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 20:10:45 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised6 Message-ID: <409C3395.1571D838@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Smith wrote:  > 0 > "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message5 > news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEEPDDAA.tom@kednos.com...  > >f > >-  > >   -----Original Message-----; > >   From: Alan E. Feldman [mailto:spamsink2001@yahoo.com]n( > >   Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 8:25 AM > >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComT8 > >   Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised > >m > >t4 > >   "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message. > >   news:<Te6dnckIhf-SeAfdRVn-vA@igs.net>...: > >   > "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in message > >   >RH > >   news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3142FF@tayexc19.americas.cpqc > >   orp.net... > >   [...]d
 > >   > John,a > >   >hG > >   > You likely already have this, but just in case you need mission 
 > criticalL > >   > OpenVMS cluster (including multi-site) testimonials in the Financial > >   > market, check out: > >   >E0 > >   > Commerzbank, multi-site, 911 testimonial > >   >.I > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/commerzbank/commerzbank.pdfu > >   >b. > >   > Bank Austria, VMS V7.3-1, Alpha GS1280L > >   > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/Bank-Austria/bankaus.pdf > >   >-G > >   > International Securities Exchange (ISE), multi-site, VMS V7.3-1l? > >   > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/ise/ise.pdf G > >   > "Sixteen of the world's exchanges run the OM Technology tradinga
 > system -A > >   > and 15 of them run it on HP OpenVMS AlphaServer systems."  > >   >NL > >   > Btw - drop me a note offline (or call me) if you need any assistance > >   > with your proposal.  > >   >  > >   >g > >   > ! > >   > Kerry, check your in-box.: > >   >  > >   > John > >EL > >   Hey! Let's all chip in and put some excerpts from these .pdf's as fullH > >   page ads in some appropriate trade mag! Is it illegal to advertise > >   someone else's product?= > >=J > > Well, in theory you need the owner's permission to use his trademarks.= > > but the question is what is the harm if you do it anyway.  > J > In HP's case the harm perceived by carly(tm) et al. will be that you areL > promoting a product they are trying to kill, thereby extending the time itM > takes to kill it and making them commit funds to continue manufacturing and% > supporting it.  H O.k. Let me see if I understand this: hp is going to complain if we makeA money for them by increasing the orders they get (from us and ourc5 partners) for their high-margin VMS-related products.E  2 Is something wrong with that or am I really crazy?   -- 1 David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.254 ************************