1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 11 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 260       Contents:? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... ? Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way ..... 8 Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for SET PROMPT: Time: Re: DEC/Compaq/HP C RTL v. multi-dot file/directory names?0 Re: Enabling External Authentication for OpenVMS  Re: Is ZIP on VMS a process hog?  Re: Is ZIP on VMS a process hog? LIB$INITIALIZE: simple example? , Re: NSK news & pre-availability announcement, Re: NSK news & pre-availability announcement, Re: NSK news & pre-availability announcement0 Re: OpenVMS Marketshare x Products Consolidation0 Re: OpenVMS Marketshare x Products Consolidation Re: OT: McDonald's coffee again  Request for new SMTP Re: SHOW ROUTE Re: SHOW ROUTE Re: Suggestion for TYPE command  Re: Suggestion for TYPE command " SUMMARY: PWS500 Power Switch again SUN fails to advertise VMS... ' Re: TCPIP SH HOST and MC TCPIP$NSLOOKUP # TCPIP SH HOST and MC TCPIP$NSLOOKUP 7 Re: VAXstation M3100 M38, EtherNet AUI Port not working 3 VAXstation M3100 M38, EtherNet AUI Port not working 7 Re: VAXstation M3100 M38, EtherNet AUI Port not working  Re: VMS mentioned in the press) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised . [OT]: NSK news & pre-availability announcement  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2004 11:10:27 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....= Message-ID: <734da31c.0405101010.20c3ca13@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c7nl4t$g1u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > David Svensson wrote: u > > Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> wrote in message news:<c7i9s4$p83$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > >  > >>Keith Parris wrote:  > >> > >>d > >>>"Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<c6csgq$1bmh$1@news.cybercity.dk>... > >>>  > >>> M > >>>>Is Sun making it self ready for a Sparcide?  When Sun does not have the O > >>>>resources to complete the UltraSparc V project why don't they collaborate Q > >>>>with Fujitsu on big servers?  Fujitsu has some very interesting projects on  > >>>>SPARC64. > >>> D > >>Funny, Sun is being slated for axing a processor (USV) in favourE > >>of one that no one outside Sun knew existed before January (Rock) 1 > >>and this is being touted as the end of SPARC.  > >>A > >>It doesn't take much intelligence to work out that this isn't & > >>actually a very logical possition. > >  > > < > > Sun must replace hot air with firm chip detail - Gartner@ > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/05/07/gartner_callson_sun/ > >  > > I > >>>But how long will Fujitsu continue to pour money down the SPARC hole : > >>>when they see Sun themselves cancelling CPU projects? > >>> C > >>>Fujitsu has already started shipping systems based on Itanium: f > >>>http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/story/0,10801,88366,00.html?from=story_picks- > >>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=7392  > >>>  > >>: > >>Given Itaniums problems if you really think that SPARC: > >>is a dead platform then Fuji don't seem to have made a > >>very smart move. > >  > > S > > I don't think Fujitsu shipped more than about 20000-40000 Sparc CPUs last year.  > >  > 8 > So who do you think shipped 20000-40000 Intanium CPU's
 > last year ?   < We are comparing an established architecture with a new one.  	 > NEC no.  > Unisys no.	 > IBM no. 	 > SGI no.    SGI sold 13000 Itaniums CPUs.   
 > Fuji no.* > HP possibly but even 20000 sounds rather
 > optimistic.   7 Clearly above 20000. Intel sold above 100000 last year, - HP has most likely 80% of the Itanium market.    >  > > ; > >>Itanium is for HP, the sooner the rest of the Intel OEM = > >>community wake up to that fact the better (for them), IBM A > >>already have and its only a matter of time before NEC, Unisys > > >>and the rest give up on what have been a major problem for > >>HP and a disaster for them.  > >  > >  > > That is FUD.0 > > IBM have not changed their Itanium plans and* > > NEC is doing pretty well with Itanium. > 5 > This is not FUD, IBM have chosen not to use Itanium : > for their next generation high end Intel based SMP boxes= > this was key design win that Itanium needed. IBM considered : > Itanium but rejected it because it was too expensive and > not fast enough.  E This has been discussed before... IBM has as far as I know never been C that keen on Itanium for various reasons. I don't expect them to do  more than what they do now.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2004 11:12:37 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....= Message-ID: <734da31c.0405101012.6615f4cb@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c7nlk3$g9i$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > D > Even Dell who have an exclusive deal with Intel are hardly pushing > Itanium are they.   2 They are about to ship a 4-way Itanium server now.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2004 21:29:00 -0600+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) H Subject: Re: Alpha is phased out .... UltraSPARC V in the same way .....3 Message-ID: <q$bklQQxYdfv@eisner.encompasserve.org>    In article <c7nl4t$g1u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:   > 9 > And I seen no signs that NEC is doing well with Itanium 8 > perhaps you could provide some references. Remember it6 > isn't one off referencable sales that matter but how9 > many units you actually sell based on those references.  >   ? 	Eh?  So? NEC is a blip.  At 2% of the world-wide server share,  	they are small.      > http://www.dataquest.com/press_gartner/quickstats/servers.html  F Statistics: Top 10 Server Vendors by Shipments, Worldwide 2002-2003     O                     2002        2003         2002 Share %        2003 Share %   G Hewlett-Packard     1,388,508   1,605,856    30.1%               28.9%  G Dell                  852,332   1,105,577    18.5%               19.9%  G IBM                   659,472     878,390    14.3%               15.8%  G Sun Microsystems      273,665     287,976     5.9%                5.2%  G Fujitsu Siemens       167,752     119,537     3.6%                2.2%  G NEC                   103,692     111,508     2.2%                2.0%  G Hitachi                28,764      29,669     0.6%                0.5%    2 Source: Gartner Dataquest Q403 WW Server Quarterly$ Statistics Database (February 2004)    				Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:14:14 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>A Subject: Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for SET PROMPT: Time ) Message-ID: <2g9v3pFbovpU1@uni-berlin.de>    Alan E. Feldman wrote: >...G > Yes, I know about SET PREFIX and I've used it, too. Very helpful. But H > I'd still like to see the time in the interactive DCL prompt. It's not > the same thing.  >...  G Not what you want, but this does work. You can not use the command line D recall anymore when in this mode but for a few commands it may help.    $ SET PREFIX "the time is !%T: "	 $ set ver  $ @tt: _$ the time is 14:04:11.36: _$ the time is 14:04:12.70: _$ show time" the time is 14:04:30.83: show time 10-MAY-2004 14:04:30
 _$ show error # the time is 14:04:34.41: show error ( %SHOW-S-NOERRORS, no device errors found   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:04:06 -0500 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>C Subject: Re: DEC/Compaq/HP C RTL v. multi-dot file/directory names? E Message-ID: <craigberry-ED58EE.20040610052004@chi.news.speakeasy.net>   A In article <04051011285497@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org wrote:   ; > From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <my-last-name@stardotzko.dec.com>  > P > > I think the real problem may be a need for some online/network documentationN > > that spells out the UNIX filepath capabilities.  If you do a random googleN > > search - you find some stuff on V7.3-1, but almost nothing on V7.3-2 - andN > > nothing that really spells out the current state of affairs, features, and > > limitations. > G >    Just now, I started at "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/index.html", - > followed the link for "HP C for OpenVMS" to J > "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/c_index.html", thence for "C for! > OpenVMS Alpha documentation" to J > "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/index_alpha.html", thence for "C' > Run-Time Library Reference Manual" to J > "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/docs/5763P.html", which is dated > "February 2002". > / >    Apparently, that's not the latest edition.   D Bizarre as it sounds, the CRTL is part of the operating system, not > part of the compiler product.  The latest version of the CRTL G documentation is always with the OS documentation.  The version of the  D CRTL manual on the C page appears to be whatever was current at the ' time of the last compiler version bump.   G I believe the documentation you are interested in is currently located   here:   < http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/5763/5763pro_004.html   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:42:34 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)9 Subject: Re: Enabling External Authentication for OpenVMS 1 Message-ID: <newscache$vpmixh$oke1$1@news.sil.at>   n In article <f30679fb.0405100746.49e1ae39@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:6 >In case of not, can an OVMS server be only a BDC like >for other Windows domain ?   " 1) No, member server is supported.E 2) OVMS don't need to be part of the domain the SSO uses (but a trust / between the two domains must then be in place). L 3) you don't need to run PW on the node on which the external authenticationO should be used (but you do need at least one PW server running in the cluster).   6   "PWRK$ACME_DEFAULT_DOMAIN" [exec] = "as-you-like-it"C   "PWRK$ACME_MODULE" [exec] = "SYS$SHARE:PWRK$ACME_MODULE_arch.EXE" 1   "PWRK$ACME_SERVER" [exec] = "pwserv1[,pwserv2]" /   "SYS$ACME_MODULE" [exec] = "PWRK$ACME_MODULE" I   "SYS$SINGLE_SIGNON" [exec] = "3"	! or 80000003 for debugging with OPCOM   G And check also SYS$STARTUP:PWRK$ACME_STARTUP.COM (for the nodes without L the PW server running). Of course UAF flag EXTAUTH is required for the user.   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:40:59 -0500 @ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>) Subject: Re: Is ZIP on VMS a process hog? 6 Message-ID: <40A03D3B.EB115B61@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > 9 > I notice a slowdown on our alpha when a vms zip file is 7 > "unzipped" ... is anyone aware of a priority problem?   % On the chance that this *IS* legit...   : (de)Compressing data is an entirely CPU-intensive process.  E CPU scheduling priority can be adjusted to minimize the impact, if it 7 becomes an issue (CPU upgrade would be another option).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 03:41:51 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> ) Subject: Re: Is ZIP on VMS a process hog? 2 Message-ID: <40A04BF2.D11791C2@firstdbasource.com>  A I **have** seen both zip and unzip almost consume a full cpu on a I multi-cpu system.  Even though the Alpha chip is fast, it will still take # several hours to zip a 16GB file...    Michael.   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > Bob Ceculski wrote:  > > ; > > I notice a slowdown on our alpha when a vms zip file is 9 > > "unzipped" ... is anyone aware of a priority problem?  > ' > On the chance that this *IS* legit...  > < > (de)Compressing data is an entirely CPU-intensive process. > G > CPU scheduling priority can be adjusted to minimize the impact, if it 9 > becomes an issue (CPU upgrade would be another option).  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:41:12 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org( Subject: LIB$INITIALIZE: simple example?) Message-ID: <04051022411258@antinode.org>   F    After a quick skim of "http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/5763/E 5763pro_025.html#feature_get_index_sec", I thought it would be fun to D try something like the example using LIB$INITIALIZE to get the fancyC initialization done on time.  Naturally, my attempt failed, with my E initialization function apparently never being called.  I assume that G I'm missing something extremely obvious, but I'd be grateful if someone  could point it out.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------       lit.c H ------------------------------------------------------------------------ #include <stdlib.h>  #include <unixlib.h> #include <stdio.h>   int init1 = -1; 
 int init2;   static void decc_init( void) { 
 init1 = 1;
 init2 = 2; }   ) /* (What does this stuff actually do?) */    #pragma nostandard8 globaldef { "LIB$INITIALIZ" } readonly _align (LONGWORD)    int spare[ 8] = { 0 }; 9 globaldef { "LIB$INITIALIZE" } readonly _align (LONGWORD) %    void (*x_decc_init)() = decc_init;  #pragma standard      int main( int argc, char **argv) { 4 printf( " init1 = %d, init2 = %d.\n", init1, init2);  % decc_init();  /* Just making sure. */   4 printf( " init1 = %d, init2 = %d.\n", init1, init2);  	 return 0;  } H ------------------------------------------------------------------------   ALP $ cc lit ALP $ link lit
 ALP $ run lit I  init1 = -1, init2 = 0.   <--- No sign of decc_init() having been called, ;  init1 = 1, init2 = 2.    <--- until/unless I do it myself.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:32:16 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>5 Subject: Re: NSK news & pre-availability announcement ) Message-ID: <c7p024$osn$1@news.wplus.net>   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:-9WdnVGRG_qKaQLd4p2dnA@igs.net...> > I wonder when the related OpenVMS announcement will be made. >  >  > ; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040505b.html  > 
 > May 5/04 > H > HP mission-critical services for NonStop servers extends availability, > business continuity  > H > Several HP mission-critical service offerings are being expanded, withH > global availability expected to start this summer, to reinforce the HPH > NonStop server's role as the de facto industry standard for businessesD > running fault-tolerant applications requiring the ultimate in highH > availability. These comprehensive service offerings focus on proactiveJ > measures to avoid downtime, complementing the technology with people and > process expertise. > " > New HP NonStop services include: > G >   a.. HP Mission Critical Partnership - Helps customers achieve their K > business objectives through continual IT service quality improvements. HP I > provides a dedicated senior support team and a customized service-level H > agreement for customers, including proactive IT service management andC > availability consulting and customizable reactive support to meet  > availability objectives.K >   b.. HP Critical Service - Helps customers achieve their IT availability E > objectives through proactive onsite assistance integrated with fast  reactiveJ > support, including standard repair time commitments, immediate access to5 > NonStop experts, and priority escalation processes. J >   c.. HP Proactive 24 Service - Helps customers improve IT effectivenessE > through proactive and reactive support, including access to NonStop  experts 5 > and rapid response to hardware and software issues. J >   d.. HP Support Plus 24 - Provides customers with reactive support that isD > available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for problem resolution. HP	 engineers L > work with customers during coverage hours to isolate hardware and software; > problems and work to resolve them as quickly as possible. H > Included with all NonStop support agreements is the HP Instant SupportI > Enterprise Edition (ISEE) for NonStop servers. To resolve problems more K > quickly, HP ISEE enables remote support over a secure Internet connection D > with robust troubleshooting and repair capabilities via predefined scripts. > D > In addition, customers may choose one of three service solutions - CriticalD > Service Solution, Proactive Service Solution or Foundation ServiceJ > Solution - based on their requirements. Each service solution includes a set L > of services that provides quick installation, customized configuration andK > rapid startup, as well as the recommended level of proactive and reactive G > support. HP delivers services across the full IT lifecycle, including = > planning, design, integration, installation and management.  > K > More information about HP mission-critical services for NonStop platforms  is6 > available at www.hp.com/hps/mission/mi_nonstop.html. >     J I have signed up to use ISEE and the last I heard was it will be ready for' VMS 'in May', I was told that in April.   < Maybe they are waiting for that before the VMS announcement?  I Several different sources have told me they have pulled in quite a lot of J resource from others teams in Reading (UK CSC) to work on the project with
 customers.   Alex   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 23:08:05 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: NSK news & pre-availability announcement @ Message-ID: <bab01a1d1a9abeebcdd368daf3286b92@news.teranews.com>   Alex Daniels wrote: K > Several different sources have told me they have pulled in quite a lot of L > resource from others teams in Reading (UK CSC) to work on the project with > customers.  H Remember that there have been many redundancies as a result of Compaq/HPO stopping development on many of the products that had been done out of Reading.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:32:40 +0100 < From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>5 Subject: Re: NSK news & pre-availability announcement * Message-ID: <c7p3di$1bi8$1@news.wplus.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message: news:bab01a1d1a9abeebcdd368daf3286b92@news.teranews.com... > Alex Daniels wrote: J > > Several different sources have told me they have pulled in quite a lot ofI > > resource from others teams in Reading (UK CSC) to work on the project  with > > customers. > J > Remember that there have been many redundancies as a result of Compaq/HPH > stopping development on many of the products that had been done out of Reading.  L ISEE is a new product to VMS, don't quote me, but I believe it has its roots( in hpux, and they are porting it to VMS.  J I would guess it will for you guys in North America replace DSN, over hereG DSN was dropped around 3yrs ago and now DSN's replacement  is set to be J replaced again with ISEE. I've got PowerPoint presentation on it that theyB sent me, if anyone is interested I can mail it (if I can find it).  K ISEE is supposed to be very feature rich and can enable hp to automatically I do 'stuff' to your boxes, although I image I will be turning most of that  off!!!  J I just need to move onto it to continue to get the automatic hardware call logging that I already have...  G The people that have been moved onto the project in DECpark (aka Worton D Grange, aka Reading CSC), are from a mix of other teams, from what IE understand they are not developing the app, but merely supporting the  customer rollout.    Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:49:34 -0400   From: "smitty" <andrew@sp32.com>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketshare x Products Consolidation 0 Message-ID: <109vjlrpmnjvh93@corp.supernews.com>  K > IIRC, the OpenVMS 3rd party layered product market went through a massive G > amount of consolidation over the past 5 to 7 years.  Don't Networking L > Dynamics, Executive Sofware and Computer Associates pretty much own all of > those products now?     I Software Partners still offers third party layered products (and the best D customer service in the business!), TAPESYS for backup/restore media@ management, THRUway for remote device access to name a couple...   andrew smith Software Partners, Inc.  andrew@softwarepartners.com  www.softwarepartners.com 978-887-6409 x114    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:18:30 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> 9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Marketshare x Products Consolidation ? Message-ID: <aAQnc.5734$eH1.2950385@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>   7 "Chuck Chopp" <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote in message 5 news:YZNnc.102125$oN1.57175@bignews5.bellsouth.net... K > IIRC, the OpenVMS 3rd party layered product market went through a massive G > amount of consolidation over the past 5 to 7 years.  Don't Networking L > Dynamics, Executive Sofware and Computer Associates pretty much own all of > those products now?  >   D We're still around selling and supporting JAMS, the world's best job
 scheduler!  4 See http://www.mvpsi.com for additional information.   John Vottero MVP Systems, Inc.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:50:50 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>( Subject: Re: OT: McDonald's coffee again2 Message-ID: <c7obtg$uou$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Dr. Dweeb wrote: > Dave Weatherall wrote: > H >>On Fri, 7 May 2004 07:24:56 UTC, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan) >>Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") wrote:  >> >>A >>>That would be why the person _pulled over_ to put in sugar and 9 >>>cream.  The spillage was not while the car was moving.  >> >>Hm, thanks Alan H >>                                 I had not heard that bit before. More >>research _is_ required.  >>G >>In Germany, the McDonald's coffee comes in paper cups. I've never got H >>any at a drive-in tho' I usually get out of the car and go in the shop% >>(restaurant is hardly appropriate).  >  > C > They actually have knives and forks available, which I think is a E > prerequisite for being able to call the establishment a restaurant.   1 True, but a restaurant should also sell food. :-)    >  > Dr. Dweeb  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:47:21 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>  Subject: Request for new SMTP 2 Message-ID: <409FCEAC.6FD5E5E3@firstdbasource.com>  > It would be real nice to have a way to not bounce any message.G Especially since most of the spam uses forged headers etc...the servers H then get into a bounce the bounced message loop.  the only way out is to> stop mail and delete all of the bounced messages in the queue.  3 either a parameter in the .CONFIG file or a logical % TCPIP$BOUNCE_MESSAGES  {TRUE | FALSE}    Michael Austin.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2004 17:48:59 -0700 From: ckchiu@hotmail.com (Bill)  Subject: Re: SHOW ROUTE = Message-ID: <a14deb10.0405101648.3ee5a4e0@posting.google.com>   | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<c7i5qm$2gp$2@online.de>...? > In article <a14deb10.0405072220.2860c2f2@posting.google.com>, $ > ckchiu@hotmail.com (Bill) writes:  > G > > The TCPIP SHOW ROUTE command shows the routes with type AH, AN, DH, H > > DN, PH and PN.  I know H is Host route, N is Network route, and P isD > > Permanent route.  What do A and D mean, Active and Dynamic?  Any  > > differences between A and D? > 8 > TCPIP HELP SHOW ROUTE tells you what you need to know.  B HELP says A - Automatic route (generated by SET INTERFACE) whereasE TCPIP Management manual says A - Active?  Which one is correct?  What  does A actually mean?   ? No mention about D in HELP.  What does D mean?  How do D routes 
 generated?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 01:03:07 +0000 7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>  Subject: Re: SHOW ROUTE * Message-ID: <40A0264B.3000106@bigpond.com>   Bill espoused:~ > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<c7i5qm$2gp$2@online.de>... > ? >>In article <a14deb10.0405072220.2860c2f2@posting.google.com>, $ >>ckchiu@hotmail.com (Bill) writes:  >> >>F >>>The TCPIP SHOW ROUTE command shows the routes with type AH, AN, DH,G >>>DN, PH and PN.  I know H is Host route, N is Network route, and P is C >>>Permanent route.  What do A and D mean, Active and Dynamic?  Any  >>>differences between A and D?  >>8 >>TCPIP HELP SHOW ROUTE tells you what you need to know. >  > D > HELP says A - Automatic route (generated by SET INTERFACE) whereasG > TCPIP Management manual says A - Active?  Which one is correct?  What  > does A actually mean?    HELP here says that A = active  C         o  A - Active route (created manually or associated with an             interface)   H         o  D - Dynamic route (created by ROUTED or GATED routing daemon)    A > No mention about D in HELP.  What does D mean?  How do D routes  > generated? >   0 Looking at the output of TCPIP SHOW ROUTE here..  C D would by Dynamic -- created when I attempt to access that address 6 either via a telnet or from a web browser or whatever.  E A could be either Active or Automatic -- Automatic because it appears B next to addresses that relate to the defined interfaces, or ActiveB because those particular items happen to be active.  Or, automatic: when applied to networks and active when applied to hosts?   Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 18:53:27 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>( Subject: Re: Suggestion for TYPE command2 Message-ID: <c7oc2b$165$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   JF Mezei wrote: < > One should be able to specify a maximum width for display. > O > for instance, TYPE/WIDTH=50 myfile.dat  would only display the first 50 bytes 2 > of each record (or less if records are shorter). > N > Useful to type files with record lengths greater than 80 while keeping it atM > one line per record since the terminal would not have to wrap longer lines.   A How about /width=10:50 , 50 characters starting at character 10 ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 15:28:17 -0400 ( From: "Hein" <hein.nomail@hp.nomail.com>( Subject: Re: Suggestion for TYPE command* Message-ID: <409fd89a@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  F That would be best solved by NOT overloading TYPE, but by having a CUT command like any UNIX box.   $CUT -c 10-50 | MORE  & Can a  Bash/Posix environment do this?  G On VMS  today you could use SORT or MERGE or CONVERT/TRUN/FDL=sys$input  record; format fixed; size 50    Or a little convoluted:   L pipe perl -pe "$_= substr($_,10,40).qq(\n)" < your-file | type/page sys$pipe   grins, Hein.     + "Dirk Munk" <munk@home.nl> wrote in message , news:c7oc2b$165$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl... > JF Mezei wrote: > > > One should be able to specify a maximum width for display. > > K > > for instance, TYPE/WIDTH=50 myfile.dat  would only display the first 50  bytes 4 > > of each record (or less if records are shorter). > > J > > Useful to type files with record lengths greater than 80 while keeping it at H > > one line per record since the terminal would not have to wrap longer lines. > C > How about /width=10:50 , 50 characters starting at character 10 ?  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 19:48:24 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: SUMMARY: PWS500 Power Switch again 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEJNDDAA.tom@kednos.com>   K Several people have indicated that there was a difference between the Miata I and the Miata GL, the latter would remember the state of the power switch  through A power breaks, the former not.  I could not locate anything in the  documanttion to H confirm or deny this.  However, I did put up documentation on the beastsI at www.kednos.com/Miata  position 8 of SW1 seems to be tied to the power;  however,J I didn't try this because the setting is the same on two of my systems one ofJ which works and the other doesn't.  I was able to clock one of them at 700E The clock settings are in http://www.kednos.com/Miata/miataswitch.txt  courtesy of Jeff DeMaagd.        -----Original Message-----E   From: OpenVMS Managers List [mailto:openvms-managers@openvms.org]On    Behalf Of Alex Daniels$   Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 3:43 PM   To: OpenVMS Managers List (   Subject: Re: PWS500 Power Switch again           ----- Original Message -----    From: <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com><   To: "OpenVMS Managers List" <openvms-managers@openvms.org>%   Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 10:11 AM .   Subject: Memo: Re: PWS500 Power Switch again   >    > Tom,   > J   > I have a PWS 500 and got the manuals from the hp (Compaq then) site. I>   > presume you have these but if not, I think they were under4   > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/legacySUPPORT/digital/   > C   > The site does not seem to respond right now - if you want these    and can't 2   > find them drop mw a line and I'll zip them up.   > C   > In the meantime... there is little on those switches other than    to confirmL   > it is the speed setting. It does not give the table of possible settings    > but says this is for 433Mz :   > 0   > N     M0    M1    M2    M3    M4    M5    M6/   > U     D     D     U     U     D     U     D    > K   > (Up or down when looking at the board with the switches at the bottom )    > I   > I have had an interesting problem with mine from the day I bought it:    > J   > If I reboot without powering down, it gets most of the way through theI   > startup (TCPIP Startup always) and crashes. After powerdown it always A   > works. This is absolutely consistent but given it is for home    use, It does   > not present a problem.   > +   > Good luck with yours - good machines...    >    > Paul   >      Paul,   J   I also seem to remember while working for you, the DPW 500au I had on myE   desk had a very dodgy power switch, I think finally I left a bit of 4   cardboard in it to keep it on. Got that fixed yet?  C   Does the TCP/IP Services crash happen, if you shutdown then do an    'init' on I   the console and then reboot? And guess your already fully up to date on 
   patches?     Best Regards     Alex      3   ------------------------------------------------- 5   You're subscribed to <openvms-managers@openvms.org> !   OpenVMS-Managers list policies: 3 http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=OVMS-Managers  Searchable archive: = http://mail.openvms.org:8100/Lists/openvms-managers/List.html L * OpenVMS.org and OpenVMS-Managers list are not affiliated with HP.  OpenVMS is a trademark of HP.    --- & Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004   --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:57:09 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> & Subject: SUN fails to advertise VMS...@ Message-ID: <929de3650050930e8e85d3538a5350e9@news.teranews.com>  P A banner appeared on CNET with the headline "HP Customers are migrating to SUN".. One of the rare times I actually click on ads.   It lead to this:  % http://www.sun.com/emrkt/change4good/.  N They mention HP-UX and Tru64, but fail to mention VMS or alpha. One more proofF that SUN doesn't want VMS to succeed and purposefully ignores the veryK products which helped launch Sun in the first place (where do you think SUNO! got its first customers from ???)   I So, Andrew, how do you explain Sun ignoring its cash cow VMS ? Or has SUN ( stopped acquiring former VMS customers ?       :-)s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:48:37 GMTe- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>i0 Subject: Re: TCPIP SH HOST and MC TCPIP$NSLOOKUP@ Message-ID: <cfa3c79386361ec233bd25fbaeb14d0d@news.teranews.com>  / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:P< > I sometimes observe that TCPIP SHOW HOST works fine but MCH > TCPIP$NSLOOKUP doesn't, which is puzzling since in some sense they are6 > doing the same thing (querying a remote DNS server).  M TCPIP SHOW HOST first queries the local host database, and if not found, then  queries the remote DNS server.  H So if you have a host defined only in the local database (with TCPIP SET0 HOST), then SHOW HOST will work, NSLOOKUP won't.  I > On a perhaps related note, I have sometimes had to remove a name serveraG > in order to get responses.  Isn't the whole point of having more thaneD > one name server that if the first one tried is not responding then > another one will be queried?  K Last week, my ISP's DNS servers went down for some time during the night. IsL had setup the VMS DNS server to have "forwarder" status, forwarding uncachedN requests to my ISP's. Service failed totally when my ISP's DNS servers were noN longer reacheable. (I would have expected the VMS DNS server to then go to theK root servers and do the job itself). I removed the "forwarders" section andnI then and the DNS server on VMS go to the root servers and bypass my ISP'si servers alltogether.  L I am not sure if the lack of automatic fallback is a "bug", or whether it is intended to be this way.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 20:55:30 +0000 (UTC)SP From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply), Subject: TCPIP SH HOST and MC TCPIP$NSLOOKUP$ Message-ID: <c7oq82$nqc$1@online.de>  : I sometimes observe that TCPIP SHOW HOST works fine but MCG TCPIP$NSLOOKUP doesn't, which is puzzling since in some sense they are aI doing the same thing (querying a remote DNS server).  What is the reason  F for this and can I influence the behaviour by reconfiguring something?H (TCPIP 5.3 and VMS 7.3 (VAX) and 7.3-1 (ALPHA) with all patches (except  the new ALPHA SYS patch).)  H On a perhaps related note, I have sometimes had to remove a name server F in order to get responses.  Isn't the whole point of having more than C one name server that if the first one tried is not responding then o another one will be queried?   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2004 14:58:27 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)@ Subject: Re: VAXstation M3100 M38, EtherNet AUI Port not working= Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0405101358.64d1243e@posting.google.com>   k google@thater.net (Guido Thater) wrote in message news:<eef019aa.0405101033.34eeddc6@posting.google.com>...t> > A few days ago I started to resurrect an old VAX 3100 M38. I; > successfully installed VMS 7.2, MultiNet and other stuff.sC > Unfortunatly, I am unable to use TCP/IP. Multinet doesn't give an 4 > error-messages, so I went into the Boot Diag-Mode. > ? > TEST 50 gives me an "?? NI 0011.700E   Ethernet AUI port, notw6 > connected.", and I am not sure what to do with that.C > I use a - I think - "normal" AUI to RJ45 Adapter (an old "3Com TPiH > Transceiver ISOLAN 1681-0"). Sending Broadcasts to the network the VAXC > is attached (from another Host) makes the Receive-LED blink, so InE > assume it's correctly wired with the network. The other way doesn't H > work: Initiating pings from the VAX doesn't make the Adapters Send-LED > blink. > E > Is there a way to find out wether my adapter is broken or the whole F > Ethernet-Port? Is a special Adapter needed? BTW, what stands SQE forF > (there's a Dip-Switch on the Adapter, I tried both positions without > success)?a >  > Any help highly welcomed > Guido  >  > google at thater dot net    D VAXstations and MicroVAXen had both an AUI and a BNC ethernet port. E There should be a button or switch, probably located directly betweenID them, that selects which port is active; only one can be active at a= time.  If you have the BNC selected, and there's no (properlyBA terminated) cable plugged in to it, self test will fail (though IsD don't have a manual handy to verify the numbers you posted).  PrettyE sure you need to power cycle the system if you move the switch/buttonm  before the change is recognized.  D SQE is 'heartbeat' and should be enabled on a transceiver plugged inF to an AUI device other than a repeater.  The SQE should be disabled if+ the transceived is plugged into a repeater.H   Hope that helps.   ------------------------------    Date: 10 May 2004 11:33:33 -0700& From: google@thater.net (Guido Thater)< Subject: VAXstation M3100 M38, EtherNet AUI Port not working= Message-ID: <eef019aa.0405101033.34eeddc6@posting.google.com>-  < A few days ago I started to resurrect an old VAX 3100 M38. I9 successfully installed VMS 7.2, MultiNet and other stuff. A Unfortunatly, I am unable to use TCP/IP. Multinet doesn't give anb2 error-messages, so I went into the Boot Diag-Mode.  = TEST 50 gives me an "?? NI 0011.700E   Ethernet AUI port, nott4 connected.", and I am not sure what to do with that.A I use a - I think - "normal" AUI to RJ45 Adapter (an old "3Com TP F Transceiver ISOLAN 1681-0"). Sending Broadcasts to the network the VAXA is attached (from another Host) makes the Receive-LED blink, so IeC assume it's correctly wired with the network. The other way doesn't F work: Initiating pings from the VAX doesn't make the Adapters Send-LED blink.  C Is there a way to find out wether my adapter is broken or the wholeeD Ethernet-Port? Is a special Adapter needed? BTW, what stands SQE forD (there's a Dip-Switch on the Adapter, I tried both positions without	 success)?8   Any help highly welcomed Guido    google at thater dot net   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 04:53:01 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>@ Subject: Re: VAXstation M3100 M38, EtherNet AUI Port not working- Message-ID: <8765b4ovgy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>5  ( google@thater.net (Guido Thater) writes:  > > A few days ago I started to resurrect an old VAX 3100 M38. I; > successfully installed VMS 7.2, MultiNet and other stuff. C > Unfortunatly, I am unable to use TCP/IP. Multinet doesn't give ant4 > error-messages, so I went into the Boot Diag-Mode.  ' The switch is set to the AUI position??    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.m@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:06:42 +0100,< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>' Subject: Re: VMS mentioned in the pressc* Message-ID: <c7p1sq$133o$1@news.wplus.net>  H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:6I8j$HhfpGAI@eisner.encompasserve.org...0: > In article <c7gf7h$kar$1@news.wplus.net>, "Alex Daniels"/ <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> writes:O > >oH > > They can not however buy the box without an OS or "with a prerelease versioni > > of OpenVMS 8.1." > >. >vJ >    For most customers, if they can put it on the purchase order, that is >    "with".  J Sure, but I'm still paying something towards an OS that I don't want. If IJ could buy the Itanium box without an OS (then get VMS on top) or with just% VMS to start with, than thats 'with'.y  L Buying it with another OS and then purchasing VMS as well on top, isn't with to me.   Alex   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:18:13 GMToL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised6 Message-ID: <00A31A22.181AD410@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <c7njuv$flg$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:+ >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:wo >> In article <c7i93t$p13$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes:a >> _- >>>Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: N >>>>Advertising is expensive.  While it might be possible to persuade some of N >>>>what few  ISVs and resellers are still thoroughly committed to VMS to kickH >>>>in for some ads, there aren't a lot of other deep pockets out there. >>>> >>>p= >>>Getting your top VP's to include lavish details on OpenVMSs8 >>>in their strategy presentations is not expensive, how >>>about starting there. >> s >> sI >> Not sure whether you're just sniping or trying to make a constructive eN >> suggestion.  However, the point is that whatever we've been doing so far - J >> which certainly includes heroic efforts from various users - hasn't so % >> far produced satisfactory results.c >>   >e >I wasn't sniping. >wC >However it does illustrate the futility of asking HP to spend more- >money on advertising OpenVMS. >2C >If you cannot get HP execs to reliably report to the world that HPTC >does have this product called OpenVMS, that it is committed to theeE >product and that is it is good etc etc, which costs the exec nothingbG >except a modest amount of time, then you are extremely unlikely to get , >them to spend money on advertising OpenVMS. >r  G Agreed.  So the PR campaign I've advocated could be aimed at getting HPr behind VMS in both regards.   E >It would seem to me that the OpenVMS community is on its own on this C >one, unless you accept what this and move on you will always be innI >a state of dissapointed anticipation. Tiny flurries of OpenVMS marketingtG >activity (which is all it ever is) followed by raised expectations andMF >then dissapointment as it becomes apparent that the status quo hasn't >in fact changed.r  K There's only so much we can do on our own, which is why I think the effortsEL need to be bent toward swaying HP.  The crucial difference, I think, betweenJ this suggestion and previous efforts is that the idea is to go very publicJ with the issues.  With former proprietors of VMS, complaints at (eg) DECUSI produced those "tiny flurries" to which you referred earlier - basically, L attempts to pacify the installed base.  I'm talking about enough PR activity) to, eventually, stir up the stockholders.m   -- Alan    -- -O ===============================================================================J0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056OM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025aO ===============================================================================l   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:30:38 -0500n@ From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised6 Message-ID: <40A03ACE.D84924DF@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>   John Smith wrote:b > M > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 2 > news:409EC14F.9C02D0B5@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > > John Smith wrote:  > > > [snip] > >:- > > > Time to belly-up to the bar, gentlemen.d > >rL > > If no else does it first, the format of the documentation I produce willG > > become the standard. If you don't like that, get there before I do.o > K > Much as I hate to say it, .pdf is where it's at for the non-VMS world out  > there.  # ...but plain text plays *ANY*where!e  H ...not to mention cut-and-paste into the document creator/editor of your	 choosing.o   -- s David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/*   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 03:02:26 GMTsL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised6 Message-ID: <00A31A52.2DBA894E@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  y In article <40A03B23.E6D58AFE@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:-+ >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  >> 2 >> In article <c7njuv$flg$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: . >> >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:r >> >> In article <c7i93t$p13$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes: >> >>e0 >> >>>Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:P >> >>>>Advertising is expensive.  While it might be possible to persuade some ofQ >> >>>>what few  ISVs and resellers are still thoroughly committed to VMS to kickbK >> >>>>in for some ads, there aren't a lot of other deep pockets out there.- >> >>>>- >> >>>@ >> >>>Getting your top VP's to include lavish details on OpenVMS; >> >>>in their strategy presentations is not expensive, how- >> >>>about starting there.u >> >>x >> >> K >> >> Not sure whether you're just sniping or trying to make a constructivevP >> >> suggestion.  However, the point is that whatever we've been doing so far -L >> >> which certainly includes heroic efforts from various users - hasn't so( >> >> far produced satisfactory results. >> >>I >> > >> >I wasn't sniping.( >> >F >> >However it does illustrate the futility of asking HP to spend more! >> >money on advertising OpenVMS.r >> >F >> >If you cannot get HP execs to reliably report to the world that HPF >> >does have this product called OpenVMS, that it is committed to theH >> >product and that is it is good etc etc, which costs the exec nothingJ >> >except a modest amount of time, then you are extremely unlikely to get/ >> >them to spend money on advertising OpenVMS.g >> > >> dJ >> Agreed.  So the PR campaign I've advocated could be aimed at getting HP >> behind VMS in both regards. >> -H >> >It would seem to me that the OpenVMS community is on its own on thisF >> >one, unless you accept what this and move on you will always be inL >> >a state of dissapointed anticipation. Tiny flurries of OpenVMS marketingJ >> >activity (which is all it ever is) followed by raised expectations andI >> >then dissapointment as it becomes apparent that the status quo hasn't  >> >in fact changed. >> tN >> There's only so much we can do on our own, which is why I think the effortsO >> need to be bent toward swaying HP.  The crucial difference, I think, between M >> this suggestion and previous efforts is that the idea is to go very public M >> with the issues.  With former proprietors of VMS, complaints at (eg) DECUStL >> produced those "tiny flurries" to which you referred earlier - basically,O >> attempts to pacify the installed base.  I'm talking about enough PR activityt, >> to, eventually, stir up the stockholders. >e) >Potentially dangerous, legally speaking.  >u? >...more so than just trying to sell what they don't want sold.   I I really don't see the legal danger.  We're saying "this product is greateD and HP should make it more widely known."  Is there slander in that?   -- Alan      -- .O ===============================================================================s0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056dM  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025uO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 22:41:15 +0200 * From: "Karsten Nyblad" <nospam@nospam.com>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised- Message-ID: <c7opdj$2a11$1@news.cybercity.dk>   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:VcidnSAXH_twPwTdRVn-gw@igs.net...L > Page 11 (first page after the table of contents) of the June 2004 issue ofI > 'The Atlantic', clearly targeted at executive readers. For those of you  notiJ > familiar with 'The Atlantic', it is a highly respected magazine aimed atL > high-income executives and consists mostly of thoughtful, lengthy articles: > on politics, social issues, world affairs, and the like. > / > The ad is a very nice full page ad and reads:  > ! > "Keeping happy wanderers Happy. J > Whoever said the journey is the destination hasn't spent time snorkeling inJ > St. Martin. Using HP NonStop servers and a Java architecture implemented byE > HP Services, Travelocity delivers three times more flight and hotelo optionseL > in less time than it takes to rent swim fins. So travelers spend more timeC > in the water, and less time online. www.hp.com/plus_travelocity "r >f >dI > Arguably an even more niche-oriented operating system than OpenVMS getsl. > advertised. Needless to say, OpenVMS is MIA.  K Now try being HP's upper management.  They have three operating systems fornK back office:  HP-UX, OpenVMS, and NonStop.  OpenVMS and NonStop are both in L the market of high availability, and HP-UX is getting some of these featuresK from Tru64.  If HP market all three, then customers will ask what HP reallycL want and if HP is really committed to any of these operating systems.  HP-UXK is so big that HP has to continue actively marketing that product.  NonStoprL is so different from HP-UX that the two can be marketed currently without HPK seeming unfocused.  OpenVMS is cached between those two.  It is not so muchwD better at high availability than HP-UX that you can easily explain aJ management type why a company should chose OpenVMS and not HP-UX.  It doesI not have the hardware platform with redundancy like NonStop.  That leavess OpenVMS in the dust.   Karsten Nyblad ibpit1202 at sneakemail dot comx   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 17:28:51 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>v7 Subject: [OT]: NSK news & pre-availability announcementc, Message-ID: <-9WdnVGRG_qKaQLd4p2dnA@igs.net>  < I wonder when the related OpenVMS announcement will be made.      9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040505b.html    May 5/04  F HP mission-critical services for NonStop servers extends availability, business continuity   F Several HP mission-critical service offerings are being expanded, withF global availability expected to start this summer, to reinforce the HPF NonStop server's role as the de facto industry standard for businessesB running fault-tolerant applications requiring the ultimate in highF availability. These comprehensive service offerings focus on proactiveH measures to avoid downtime, complementing the technology with people and process expertise.    New HP NonStop services include:  E   a.. HP Mission Critical Partnership - Helps customers achieve theirtI business objectives through continual IT service quality improvements. HPiG provides a dedicated senior support team and a customized service-leveleF agreement for customers, including proactive IT service management andA availability consulting and customizable reactive support to meetu availability objectives.I   b.. HP Critical Service - Helps customers achieve their IT availabilityuL objectives through proactive onsite assistance integrated with fast reactiveH support, including standard repair time commitments, immediate access to3 NonStop experts, and priority escalation processes.tH   c.. HP Proactive 24 Service - Helps customers improve IT effectivenessK through proactive and reactive support, including access to NonStop expertsv3 and rapid response to hardware and software issues. K   d.. HP Support Plus 24 - Provides customers with reactive support that isfL available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for problem resolution. HP engineersJ work with customers during coverage hours to isolate hardware and software9 problems and work to resolve them as quickly as possible.SF Included with all NonStop support agreements is the HP Instant SupportG Enterprise Edition (ISEE) for NonStop servers. To resolve problems morexI quickly, HP ISEE enables remote support over a secure Internet connection K with robust troubleshooting and repair capabilities via predefined scripts.t  K In addition, customers may choose one of three service solutions - CriticalhB Service Solution, Proactive Service Solution or Foundation ServiceL Solution - based on their requirements. Each service solution includes a setJ of services that provides quick installation, customized configuration andI rapid startup, as well as the recommended level of proactive and reactivedE support. HP delivers services across the full IT lifecycle, includingo; planning, design, integration, installation and management.   L More information about HP mission-critical services for NonStop platforms is4 available at www.hp.com/hps/mission/mi_nonstop.html.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.260 ************************