1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 17 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 273       Contents:> Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info????? Re: BTCROUT N Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for DIRECTORY /SORT=[CREATED,MODIFIED,...]8 Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for SET PROMPT: Time Re: Getting HammeredP Re: How to Handle RMS$_STR during Asynchronous Operations [ FAB/RAB invalid erro Re: Lotus notes and VMS mail- new VMS 7.3-1 FIBRE_SCSI patch still on hold? = RE: OpenVMS v7.3-1 detach process creation - strange behavior : OpenVMS v7.3-1 detach process creation - strange behaviour> Re: OpenVMS v7.3-1 detach process creation - strange behaviour> Re: OpenVMS v7.3-1 detach process creation - strange behaviour> Re: Poor VMS file create performance compared to Linux/FreeBSD! Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge ! Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge  Re: Suggested reading  Re: Suggested reading ! Re: SUN fails to advertise VMS... ! Re: SUN fails to advertise VMS... ! Re: SUN fails to advertise VMS... ! Re: SUN fails to advertise VMS... 9 Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services = Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services = Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services = Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services = Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services = Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services = Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services  Re: XDMP and TCPIP 5.4 Re: XDMP and TCPIP 5.4) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ? [OT?] Interview with Ann Livermore: "The in thing: Outsourcing" C Re: [OT?] Interview with Ann Livermore: "The in thing: Outsourcing"   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 07:29:45 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) G Subject: Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info????? 3 Message-ID: <K6vAlrSslsib@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <9f7f13a8.0405141948.29dbe38@posting.google.com>, alexdaniels@themail.co.uk (Alex Daniels) writes:  > C > Wasn't its time as 'Digital UNIX' also in between being OSF/1 and D > Tru64 ? So really don't know where the 'IBM Tru64' is coming from.  F    Yes, DEC renamed it from OSF/1 to digital UNIX when they passed the(    test to use UNIX in the product name.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:29:28 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: Re: BTCROUT0 Message-ID: <YD6qc.1667$x8.473@news.cpqcorp.net>  @ In article <40a69660$1@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>, rok@nuk.uni-lj.si writes:" : OpenVMS AXP V7.3-2, all patches. : 2 :%BACKUP-I-BTCROUT, routine ODS-5 RMS SYNTAX ERROR ..F : OK, someday it will be found there. But right now, is there anybody " :to let me know what's that about?  ?   From the AskQ search tool (cited in the FAQ), here are two of    the more relevent responses:  '     http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support - /       /askkcs/hpcg/215_0_220781700_3986506.html   '     http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support - 9       /asktima/operating_systems/CTI_SRC000628004228.html       N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 03:28:46 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>W Subject: Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for DIRECTORY /SORT=[CREATED,MODIFIED,...] 6 Message-ID: <1040517031840.48757B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ( On Fri, 14 May 2004, Peter Weaver wrote:   > Alan E. Feldman wrote: > >...G > > besides DIRECTORY/DATE output? I'm asking about the effects of both D > > running the LIB$DT_STARTUP file and defining the LIB$DATE_FORMAT > > logical name.  > >... > H > Of course defining LIB$DATE_FORMAT as /USER_MODE won't affect anythingI > other than the next image. But if you define it for the process then it I > will affect any program that calls LIB$FORMAT_DATE_TIME routine. I have H > used it for programs that read MONITOR/RECORD sessions and write filesI > that I then use EXCEL to graph because it was an easy way to format the 0 > dates in a way that EXCEL would easily accept. > G > Some standard VMS tools use it too, but some do not. "MONITOR SYSTEM" H > does not, but "MONITOR DISK" does. "SHOW USERS" and "SHOW SYSTEM" also > will use the LIB$DATE_FORMAT.  > I > I do not know if anything uses LIB$DT_INPUT_FORMAT, but I always define F > that as "!DB-!MAAU-!Y4 !H04:!M0:!S0.!C2" just to make sure it is not > defined as something else.  E Does "DB-!MAAU-!Y5 !..." fix the Y10K problem mentioned in the famous C SPR response by Stan Rabinowitz?  (The one about why 2000 is a leap E year.)  It said the problem would be fixed in a future version of VMS - to be released some time before Dec 31, 9999.              >  > --   > Peter Weaver! > Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  > Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  > www.weaverconsulting.ca  >  >  >  >    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:44:05 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>A Subject: Re: DCLER (DCL Enhancement Request) for SET PROMPT: Time . Message-ID: <c8a8al$1nap$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Alan E. Feldman wrote: ../..  > G > Yes, I know about SET PREFIX and I've used it, too. Very helpful. But H > I'd still like to see the time in the interactive DCL prompt. It's not > the same thing.   Q There used to be in the DEC internal Software Tools Clearinghouse a few 20 years  B ago an utility called FCLE which added the time in the DCL prompt.   See with Hoff, maybe ?   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 14:21:18 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com> Subject: Re: Getting Hammered . Message-ID: <c8aage$1p4e$1@biggoron.nerim.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote:   C > Hammered is the word, or should I say Inquirered or maybe Inq'ed.  > C > I got up this morning and the network was dragging butt.  Terry's N > presentation being mention on The Inquirer coupled with Golden Egg downloadsM > is knocking the crap out of my bandwidth.  I had over 20 people downloading M > Terry's presentation at one time and over 20 people downloading Golden Eggs 7 > at the same time, not to mention the regular traffic.  > I > This business class Road Runner cable connection is becoming a problem. N > I've had them pump up the bandwidth and it seems to have helped.  At least I2 > can now pull up webpages and get my mail faster. > > > Sorry for the slowness, should get better as the day passes.  L Got it safe in 42 seconds at 62.9 KB/sec (ADSL 512/128) today at 14:20 GMT+2   D.   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 05:09:28 -0700( From: prakash_balaji@yahoo.com (Prakash)Y Subject: Re: How to Handle RMS$_STR during Asynchronous Operations [ FAB/RAB invalid erro < Message-ID: <8e40535b.0405170409.5846003@posting.google.com>   Hi All,   B       Thanks for all your replies. I will get back to you all if i have some queries.   Regards, Prakash.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:52:43 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>% Subject: Re: Lotus notes and VMS mail ' Message-ID: <c89uk4$j9p$1@lore.csc.com>    Tony wrote:  > L > Is this a Lotus Notes problem, VMS mail problem or me not doing something?  @ I do use Lotus Notes, and I find that its SMTP processing leavesG something to be desired. The issue is probably that the SMTP engine was H retro-fitted, and by someone or a team that didn't have a complete grasp$ of general internet email protocols.  B So in summary, Notes with internet is clunky. Yes you can probablyF massage the VMS side to make it work, but I've seen different versionsG of Notes (client and/or server) break this, and you need to re-engineer  the "static" VMS side.  G For attachment handling, I've found MAILBOX most successful in avoiding  ATT.UNK files.   http://www.esme.fr/mailbox-vms/    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:26:35 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)6 Subject: new VMS 7.3-1 FIBRE_SCSI patch still on hold?$ Message-ID: <c89pfb$ln9$1@online.de>  & There are a few new patches for 7.3-1:   SYS         6 *  PTHREAD     3 *  FIBRE_SCSI  6  TDF         4 *   E The FIBRE_SCSI patch was put on hold, then there was an announcement  G that it was being returned to normal status.  However, it appears that  F on the ITRC site there is still no patch to be had, even though since = then two further patches (PTHREAD 3 and TDF 4) have appeared.   ? Does anyone know the "official" plans for the FIBRE_SCSI patch?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:44:16 -0400 * From: Kenneth.Robinson@VerizonWireless.comF Subject: RE: OpenVMS v7.3-1 detach process creation - strange behavior" Message-ID: <6210428@MVB.SAIC.COM>   > -----Original Message-----' > From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com * > [mailto:andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com]$ > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 9:40 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com D > Subject: OpenVMS v7.3-1 detach process creation - strange behavior >  >  > Hi,  > B > I have come across the following strange behavior when trying to > create a detached process :- > ; > The command procedure i.com creates a detached process :-  >  > $ type i.com/ > $                                       run - > >         /io_direct=300 /detac /process="Starting WCCProxy" -
 >         @ > /input=DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.WEBES.HP.NODES.EDDIE1.SVCTOOLS.c, > ommon.wccproxy.bin]wccproxydetachstart.com > - @ >         sys$system:loginout.exe /priority=15 /page_file=296752 > $exit  >  > If I run it it aborts with :-  > 
 > $ @i.com( > %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed* > -SYSTEM-F-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical name >   K Process names can be up to 15 characters in length. Yours is longer. That's  why the second example works.    Here's the Help on run /proc:    RUN   	   Process        /PROCESS_NAME   $           /PROCESS_NAME=process-name  F        Specifies a name of 1 to 15 characters for the created process.F        The process name is implicitly qualified by the group number ofD        the process's user identification code (UIC). By default, the        name is null.   Ken Robinson   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 06:39:49 -07006 From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft)C Subject: OpenVMS v7.3-1 detach process creation - strange behaviour = Message-ID: <58ba0101.0405170539.566e612c@posting.google.com>    Hi,   A I have come across the following strange behaviour when trying to  create a detached process :-  9 The command procedure i.com creates a detached process :-    $ type i.com- $                                       run - <         /io_direct=300 /detac /process="Starting WCCProxy" -p         /input=DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.WEBES.HP.NODES.EDDIE1.SVCTOOLS.common.wccproxy.bin]wccproxydetachstart.com - >         sys$system:loginout.exe /priority=15 /page_file=296752 $exit    If I run it it aborts with :-    $ @i.com& %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed( -SYSTEM-F-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical name  & If I now change the /process qualifier   $ type i.com- $                                       run - 9         /io_direct=300 /detac /process="Start WCCProxy" - p         /input=DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.WEBES.HP.NODES.EDDIE1.SVCTOOLS.common.wccproxy.bin]wccproxydetachstart.com - >         sys$system:loginout.exe /priority=15 /page_file=296752 $exit   
 And run it :-    $ @i= %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 00000256  $    It runs successfully.   8 Any input as to why this might be would be appreciated ?   With regards Andrew   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:01:18 -0400  From: norm.raphael@metso.comG Subject: Re: OpenVMS v7.3-1 detach process creation - strange behaviour Q Message-ID: <OF245048A6.87FEF3A1-ON85256E97.004D1836-85256E97.004D15DC@metso.com>   C Possibly because your original process_name exceeds the limit of 15  characters?   D andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) wrote on 05/17/2004 09:39:49 AM:   > Hi,  > C > I have come across the following strange behaviour when trying to  > create a detached process :- > ; > The command procedure i.com creates a detached process :-  >  > $ type i.com/ > $                                       run - > >         /io_direct=300 /detac /process="Starting WCCProxy" -> >         /input=DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.WEBES.HP.NODES.EDDIE1.6 > SVCTOOLS.common.wccproxy.bin]wccproxydetachstart.com > - @ >         sys$system:loginout.exe /priority=15 /page_file=296752 > $exit  >  > If I run it it aborts with :-  > 
 > $ @i.com( > %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed* > -SYSTEM-F-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical name > ( > If I now change the /process qualifier >  > $ type i.com/ > $                                       run - ; >         /io_direct=300 /detac /process="Start WCCProxy" - > >         /input=DKA200:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.WEBES.HP.NODES.EDDIE1.6 > SVCTOOLS.common.wccproxy.bin]wccproxydetachstart.com > - @ >         sys$system:loginout.exe /priority=15 /page_file=296752 > $exit  >  > And run it :-  >  > $ @i? > %RUN-S-PROC_ID, identification of created process is 00000256  > $  >  > It runs successfully.  > : > Any input as to why this might be would be appreciated ? >  > With regards > Andrew   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 09:14:46 -0600 From: briggs@encompasserve.orgG Subject: Re: OpenVMS v7.3-1 detach process creation - strange behaviour 3 Message-ID: <Dy1fsbomaGlG@eisner.encompasserve.org>   v In article <58ba0101.0405170539.566e612c@posting.google.com>, andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com (Andrew Rycroft) writes: > Hi,  > C > I have come across the following strange behaviour when trying to  > create a detached process :- > ; > The command procedure i.com creates a detached process :-  >  > $ type i.com/ > $                                       run - > >         /io_direct=300 /detac /process="Starting WCCProxy" -;                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   
 17 characters   	 Yielding:   ( > %RUN-F-CREPRC, process creation failed* > -SYSTEM-F-IVLOGNAM, invalid logical name > ( > If I now change the /process qualifier >  > $ type i.com/ > $                                       run - ; >         /io_direct=300 /detac /process="Start WCCProxy" - 8                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 14 characters.   Yielding success.   E VMS process names are limited to 15 characters.  Internally I believe E it's stored as a counted ASCII string in a 16 byte field (one byte of : process name length followed by 15 bytes of process name).    $ HELP RUN PROCESS /PROCESS_NAME   RUN   	   Process        /PROCESS_NAME   $           /PROCESS_NAME=process-name  F        Specifies a name of 1 to 15 characters for the created process.F        The process name is implicitly qualified by the group number ofD        the process's user identification code (UIC). By default, the        name is null.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 07:23:03 -0600B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)G Subject: Re: Poor VMS file create performance compared to Linux/FreeBSD 3 Message-ID: <p3njalwb9jXS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   x In article <ACNLDAui2WbG@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:J > I am seeing very poor VMS I/O performance compared to Linux/FreeBSD whenJ > trying to perform the same task - unpacking a GCC tar archive - on these1 > operating systems. A table of results is below.  >   I Thanks to everyone for the comments. When I get around to looking at this * again, I will try the various suggestions.  D BTW, the comment that Patrick made about finding that untar was slowB was interesting. Is anyone working on making unzip ODS-5 capable ?   Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       P SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 06:46:36 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)* Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge$ Message-ID: <c89n4c$c6f$1@online.de>  4 In article <c88j1r$e8a$1@newshispeed.ch>, Neale Hunt! <nhunt1066@netscape.net> writes:    G > If you want to do a cluster reboot in one go then you are stuffed as  G > mini-copy will not work, but you can force a copy by dismounting the  K > additional members before rebooting - copy take about half the time of a   > merge typically.  I Yes, but if you are doing a cluster reboot it should be possible to stop  E all applications with open files first (I'm not sure if the standard  G shutdown procedure takes care of this in the case of shadow sets) then  ; reboot the entire cluster with no need for a copy or merge.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 14:45:24 GMT / From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks) * Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge- Message-ID: <bWhFJI3uNHmU@cuebid.zko.dec.com>   B "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: > Neale Hunt wrote:  >>  / >> Actually it's not as difficult as it sounds.  >>  J >> You simply dismount one (or more if you have more that 2 members of the< >> shadow set) from one of the other cluster nodes using the >> /policy=minicopy option.  > J > Assumes that HSx controllers are at the root of the storage architectureG > and that the controllers and the host o.s. version support it. A very % > limited subset of what's out there.   ) Huh?  Minicopy is controller-independent.    --    M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 04:41:53 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> Subject: Re: Suggested reading2 Message-ID: <oMydnWseHc0y5zXdRVn-gQ@metrocast.net>  . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:ruKdnWw_m8fJjDXd4p2dnA@igs.net... > That's the one at cfo.com  > H > The Economist wrote the article from the perspective of 'socialism' orH > 'paternalism' vs. 'capitalism', which is no surprise given the general bent7 > of The Economist (which I generally have no quarrel).  > E > But the article overlooks the aspect of many corporations, which is K > basically in pop culture terms "Greed Is Good" (Gordon Gecko in the movie A > "Wall Street"). The relentless pursuit of the bottom line isn't  necessarily J > good for the corporation's customers. Quarterly earnings expectations orJ > showing 'results' after a merger (HP / Compaq) often come at the expense of > customer relationships.   F Indeed.  That's the difference between short-sighted, short-term greedG (which benefits no one unless investors are, well, stupid enough to let G corporate executives rob their companies blind and other investors take C advantage of such short-term fluctuations) and much more reasonable L long-term greed (which is also known a simple self-interest, is the basis ofJ capitalism, and works pretty well as long as it's moderated by governmentsI which use laws to factor in those considerations which corporations don't  intrinsically have to).    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:41:00 +0200   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> Subject: Re: Suggested reading- Message-ID: <c8a1bc$1qfo$1@news.cybercity.dk>    John Smith wrote:  > The lunatic you work for > May 6th 2004" > From The Economist print edition >  >  > F > If the corporation were a person, would that person be a psychopath? >  >  >  > L http://economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=S%27%2984%28Q%217%21%23%40%21 > %2C%0A  L It may just be me, but the CFO story sounds half finished to me.  It sort of( just ends.  Is that the complete review?  G Anyway, it is a pretty old idea and I have certainly heard it before in G various forms, though I cannot cite any links.  Honorable men forced to I commit dishonorable acts in the name of a greater organisational good and 
 such like.  % The film might be interesting though.   	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 08:43:10 +0200 ( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>* Subject: Re: SUN fails to advertise VMS...3 Message-ID: <004f01c43bda$37f503d0$994614ac@wat153>    Hello,  G Hey Andrew, could you tell me which Virus, Worm and Trojaner did attack G OpenVMS within the last 13 years? Our OpenVMS systems where never under H attack! Also would you say, that Sun is able to build a cluster with 128H or more nodes? With a distance between the nodes over 10.000 kilometers?D That is what Sun must have, if they would like to migrate OpenVMS to Solaris.   Best regards R. Wingert    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:31:36 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> * Subject: Re: SUN fails to advertise VMS...0 Message-ID: <c8a4a8$ml8$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:  > Hello, > I > Hey Andrew, could you tell me which Virus, Worm and Trojaner did attack I > OpenVMS within the last 13 years? Our OpenVMS systems where never under J > attack! Also would you say, that Sun is able to build a cluster with 128J > or more nodes? With a distance between the nodes over 10.000 kilometers?F > That is what Sun must have, if they would like to migrate OpenVMS to
 > Solaris. >   E SunOS had the origional Internet Worm, VMS had Wank. Since then thats : been it for both OS's unless you know something different.  C You also seem to be labouring under the impression that I have made B any comparisons between OpenVMS's security and Solaris's security.  E I have not and you are welcome to verify this by checking my previous H posts. What I have done is pointed out that anyone who indulges in UNIX,C Linux or Windows bashing based on the number of CERTS published for G OS's in those categories compared with OpenVMS is a proven BS merchant, A because as we all know OpenVMS security holes are not reported to C CERT reliably enough to form the basis of any comparative analysis.     C As you also know perfeclt well Bob falls neatly into this category.    > Best regards R. Wingert  >    best regards Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 08:01:08 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)* Subject: Re: SUN fails to advertise VMS...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0405170701.59f5f06e@posting.google.com>   c "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<004f01c43bda$37f503d0$994614ac@wat153>...  > Hello, > I > Hey Andrew, could you tell me which Virus, Worm and Trojaner did attack I > OpenVMS within the last 13 years? Our OpenVMS systems where never under J > attack! Also would you say, that Sun is able to build a cluster with 128J > or more nodes? With a distance between the nodes over 10.000 kilometers?F > That is what Sun must have, if they would like to migrate OpenVMS to
 > Solaris. >  > Best regards R. Wingert   7 all Andrew can do is try to try to get people to ignore 5 the CERTs and by trying to get people to believe that 6 the vms group doesn't post certs, but how can you post  something that doesn't exist? :)   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 08:05:54 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)* Subject: Re: SUN fails to advertise VMS...= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0405170705.3091b4b9@posting.google.com>   c "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message news:<004f01c43bda$37f503d0$994614ac@wat153>...  > Hello, > I > Hey Andrew, could you tell me which Virus, Worm and Trojaner did attack I > OpenVMS within the last 13 years? Our OpenVMS systems where never under J > attack! Also would you say, that Sun is able to build a cluster with 128J > or more nodes? With a distance between the nodes over 10.000 kilometers?F > That is what Sun must have, if they would like to migrate OpenVMS to
 > Solaris. >  > Best regards R. Wingert   7 all Andrew can do is try to try to get people to ignore 5 the CERTs and by trying to get people to believe that 6 the vms group doesn't post certs, but how can you post  something that doesn't exist? :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 19:45:36 +1000  From: "Pip" <pip@ti.nl0.com>B Subject: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services; Message-ID: <40a889c0$0$3034$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>   H Has anybody ever switched from Process Software's TCPware to HP's TCPIP + Services, and have gotchas to look out for? K (In particular, features that TCPware has that might be missing from TCPIP  	 Services)   ( For example, does TCPIP Services support  2 Permanent telnet connections (telnet /create=perm)/ A reverse telnet print symbiont (tcpware_tssym) L A telnet server config option to force tt_accpornam to return the IP address6 bootp support to load DECserver terminal server images8 Ability to add & remove secondary IP addreses on-the-flyA Scriptable FTP client support with per-command error handling (eg 
         $ ftp          open server user pass          error_exit %x10          cd incoming          error_exit %x20          put file.bin file.bin          error_exit %x30 J         $ if $status .eq. %x10000010 then write sys$output "Error logging  in"          ...    TIA    Pip    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:13:44 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)F Subject: Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services1 Message-ID: <04051709134451@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Pip writes: J > Has anybody ever switched from Process Software's TCPware to HP's TCPIP - > Services, and have gotchas to look out for? M > (In particular, features that TCPware has that might be missing from TCPIP   > Services)  > * > For example, does TCPIP Services support > 4 > Permanent telnet connections (telnet /create=perm)1 > A reverse telnet print symbiont (tcpware_tssym) N > A telnet server config option to force tt_accpornam to return the IP address8 > bootp support to load DECserver terminal server images: > Ability to add & remove secondary IP addreses on-the-flyC > Scriptable FTP client support with per-command error handling (eg  >         $ ftp  >         open server user pass  >         error_exit %x10  >         cd incoming  >         error_exit %x20  >         put file.bin file.bin  >         error_exit %x30 L >         $ if $status .eq. %x10000010 then write sys$output "Error logging  > in"   9 I went from TCPWARE V4? (been a few years) to TCPIP V5.0.   4 PROXY configuration on VMS was a bit more difficult.  N Print queue setup on VMS using Telnet Symbiont was a lot easier - did not haveO to shutdown/startup print services when adding a printer.  Or maybe I was doing  it wrong...   L Secondary IP address, if I understand correctly - changing IP address of the& host required stop/start of the stack.  ( bootp - yes, however I have not used it.  O The FTP scripting is different.  We ran into that shortly after our migration.  F The TCPWARE is more robust than that of VMS - actually you have to useG integrated DCL commands for scripting purposes - such as COPY/RCP, etc.   - Check out www.hp.com for TCPIP documentation.      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 08:04:29 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)F Subject: Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services< Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0405170704.5a37a7e@posting.google.com>  _ "Pip" <pip@ti.nl0.com> wrote in message news:<40a889c0$0$3034$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>... J > Has anybody ever switched from Process Software's TCPware to HP's TCPIP - > Services, and have gotchas to look out for? M > (In particular, features that TCPware has that might be missing from TCPIP   > Services)  > * > For example, does TCPIP Services support > 4 > Permanent telnet connections (telnet /create=perm)1 > A reverse telnet print symbiont (tcpware_tssym) N > A telnet server config option to force tt_accpornam to return the IP address8 > bootp support to load DECserver terminal server images: > Ability to add & remove secondary IP addreses on-the-flyC > Scriptable FTP client support with per-command error handling (eg  >         $ ftp  >         open server user pass  >         error_exit %x10  >         cd incoming  >         error_exit %x20  >         put file.bin file.bin  >         error_exit %x30 L >         $ if $status .eq. %x10000010 then write sys$output "Error logging  > in" 
 >         ...  >  > TIA  >  > Pip     , http://www.process.com/tcpip/tcpcompare.html   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 08:08:22 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)F Subject: Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0405170708.322b865b@posting.google.com>   _ "Pip" <pip@ti.nl0.com> wrote in message news:<40a889c0$0$3034$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>... J > Has anybody ever switched from Process Software's TCPware to HP's TCPIP - > Services, and have gotchas to look out for? M > (In particular, features that TCPware has that might be missing from TCPIP   > Services)  > * > For example, does TCPIP Services support > 4 > Permanent telnet connections (telnet /create=perm)1 > A reverse telnet print symbiont (tcpware_tssym) N > A telnet server config option to force tt_accpornam to return the IP address8 > bootp support to load DECserver terminal server images: > Ability to add & remove secondary IP addreses on-the-flyC > Scriptable FTP client support with per-command error handling (eg  >         $ ftp  >         open server user pass  >         error_exit %x10  >         cd incoming  >         error_exit %x20  >         put file.bin file.bin  >         error_exit %x30 L >         $ if $status .eq. %x10000010 then write sys$output "Error logging  > in" 
 >         ...  >  > TIA  >  > Pip     7 plus, vms IP is unix kernel based, but TCPware is based 4 on the vms kernel, and in testing we did TCPware ran5 crisper than both ucx and multinet, esp. for internet  apps ... bad choice to move ...    ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 08:10:41 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)F Subject: Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0405170710.7579337d@posting.google.com>   _ "Pip" <pip@ti.nl0.com> wrote in message news:<40a889c0$0$3034$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>... J > Has anybody ever switched from Process Software's TCPware to HP's TCPIP - > Services, and have gotchas to look out for? M > (In particular, features that TCPware has that might be missing from TCPIP   > Services)  > * > For example, does TCPIP Services support > 4 > Permanent telnet connections (telnet /create=perm)1 > A reverse telnet print symbiont (tcpware_tssym) N > A telnet server config option to force tt_accpornam to return the IP address8 > bootp support to load DECserver terminal server images: > Ability to add & remove secondary IP addreses on-the-flyC > Scriptable FTP client support with per-command error handling (eg  >         $ ftp  >         open server user pass  >         error_exit %x10  >         cd incoming  >         error_exit %x20  >         put file.bin file.bin  >         error_exit %x30 L >         $ if $status .eq. %x10000010 then write sys$output "Error logging  > in" 
 >         ...  >  > TIA  >  > Pip     B plus, as all unix software is, ucx command structure is convuluted4 where TCPware is much more friendly and vms like ...   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 08:15:22 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)F Subject: Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0405170715.614a55d1@posting.google.com>   _ "Pip" <pip@ti.nl0.com> wrote in message news:<40a889c0$0$3034$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>... J > Has anybody ever switched from Process Software's TCPware to HP's TCPIP - > Services, and have gotchas to look out for? M > (In particular, features that TCPware has that might be missing from TCPIP C > Services)  > * > For example, does TCPIP Services support > 4 > Permanent telnet connections (telnet /create=perm)1 > A reverse telnet print symbiont (tcpware_tssym) N > A telnet server config option to force tt_accpornam to return the IP address8 > bootp support to load DECserver terminal server images: > Ability to add & remove secondary IP addreses on-the-flyC > Scriptable FTP client support with per-command error handling (egs >         $ ftpn >         open server user passc >         error_exit %x10e >         cd incoming  >         error_exit %x20i >         put file.bin file.binM >         error_exit %x30aL >         $ if $status .eq. %x10000010 then write sys$output "Error logging  > in"B
 >         ...f >  > TIAw >  > Pip     B plus, as all unix software is, ucx command structure is convuluted4 where TCPware is much more friendly and vms like ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 08:41:29 -0700a+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>eF Subject: Re: Switching from Process Software TCPware to TCPIP Services' Message-ID: <40A8DD29.6090904@MMaz.com>h  
 Pip wrote:  I >Has anybody ever switched from Process Software's TCPware to HP's TCPIP C, >Services, and have gotchas to look out for?L >(In particular, features that TCPware has that might be missing from TCPIP 
 >Services) >  P >r+ Perhaps a dumb question, but why would you?C   BarryT   -- r  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        :   ------------------------------    Date: 17 May 2004 00:56:22 -0700. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby) Subject: Re: XDMP and TCPIP 5.4a< Message-ID: <224291b.0405162356.4ee21f59@posting.google.com>   Tony,H  D I had a look at that TCPIP command file. I see the decision to start> New Desktop is based on the presence of CDE$PATH:XSESSION.COM.E Restarting DECwindows without the New Desktop won't have undefined an C existing CDE$PATH definition, so to get the Traditional Desktop you 3 would need to undefine the CDE$PATH system logical.'  F I can't see anything odd in the command file itself, in the command itE creates is it correct that your server is number 1 not the more usual-D 0 ? The problem therefore would seem to be something in the way XDMP executes the command file.  @ Is there anything in your login.com or sylogin.com that might be< behaving differently when run under XDMP? Can you add a SHOW= DISPLAY/ALL command in CDE$PATH:XSESSION.COM just before the:B   $ 'sessionmain  A line and check that the display is correct, including that serveri number of 1.   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:35:39 +0100h) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk>n Subject: Re: XDMP and TCPIP 5.4.- Message-ID: <c8a11b$2gml$1@godfrey.mcc.ac.uk>0   Martin,3  L Thanks for your response. I've done a couple more things since my last post.  F Firstly, if I start my X server with access control switched off (the C -ac option on the Xorg X11 server) then everything works, so it is   definitely a security issue.  F Secondly, I caused it start traditional DECwindows rather that CDE. I D did this by creating a command procedure SYS$LOGIN:XDM_XSESSION.COM C which just calls SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTSM.COM. This gives the same   problem as CDE.a  D I notice that DECwindows under 7.3-2 support kerberos and MIT magic H cookie authentication for X clients/servers. I'm wondering whether that  is having an effect?   Martin Kirby wrote:e  F > I had a look at that TCPIP command file. I see the decision to start@ > New Desktop is based on the presence of CDE$PATH:XSESSION.COM.G > Restarting DECwindows without the New Desktop won't have undefined angE > existing CDE$PATH definition, so to get the Traditional Desktop youi5 > would need to undefine the CDE$PATH system logical.   G I spotted this too. One can also create SYS$LOGIN:XDM_XSESSION.COM and   do ones own session creation.c  H > I can't see anything odd in the command file itself, in the command itG > creates is it correct that your server is number 1 not the more usualhF > 0 ? The problem therefore would seem to be something in the way XDMP > executes the command file.  ? Correct, but I've tried it with 0 too, but with no improvement!   B > Is there anything in your login.com or sylogin.com that might be> > behaving differently when run under XDMP? Can you add a SHOW? > DISPLAY/ALL command in CDE$PATH:XSESSION.COM just before the:  >  > $ 'sessionmain > C > line and check that the display is correct, including that servero > number of 1.  > I put this in my XDM_XSESSION.COM to try and it looks correct.  F Looking at the log file of the above, I see that decw$wsinit gets run > before decw$session.  Connection to ths server is refused for - decw$session. Any idea what decw$wsinit does?    Tony.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 16:49:13 +0100r From: reb <natron@ntlworld.com>i2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised0 Message-ID: <opr75h8bvfaqvj2s@news.ntlworld.com>  H On Thu, 13 May 2004 06:27:01 +0200, Karsten Nyblad <nospam@nospam.com>   wrote: >rH > Even if you buy operating systems large market share from big softwareK > vendors, there is a chance that the operating system becomes EOLed some  aC > time in the future.  Just look at VMS.  It was a very successful ,I > operating system for many years.  HP might stop supporting it some timev > in the future.  ? But probably not before Microsoft stop supporting every versionf? of MS Windows that is currently installed (just providing a bit  of perspective).      
 Roger Barnetto   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:58:06 +0200a* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>H Subject: [OT?] Interview with Ann Livermore: "The in thing: Outsourcing"* Message-ID: <2grglgF5se66U1@uni-berlin.de>  G "The in thing: Outsourcing", in the context of HP offering outsourcing a# for the like of Proctor and Gamble.n    A http://news.com.com/2008-1001_3-5212470.html?tag=nefd.acpro%2C%0Am   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 13:04:29 GMTh+ From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie)oL Subject: Re: [OT?] Interview with Ann Livermore: "The in thing: Outsourcing"5 Message-ID: <xL2qc.114826$hR1.97637@fe2.texas.rr.com>t  + Paul Sture (nospam@sture.homeip.net) wrote: I : "The in thing: Outsourcing", in the context of HP offering outsourcing u% : for the like of Proctor and Gamble.l :  : C : http://news.com.com/2008-1001_3-5212470.html?tag=nefd.acpro%2C%0Ao :   )    http://makeashorterlink.com/?P45413F48y4    Outsourcing can build a safer world, Fiorina says  % The original link wrapped to 2 lines:   8    http://www.sacbee.com/content/business/v-print/story/    9276273p-10201182c.html4    Outsourcing can build a safer world, Fiorina says     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email5   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.273 ************************