1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 21 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 281       Contents:$ Re: "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS"$ Re: "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS"$ Re: "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS" ACMS Migration Re: ACMS Migration Re: AV SCANNER FOR VMS Re: AV SCANNER FOR VMS Re: AV SCANNER FOR VMS Re: AV SCANNER FOR VMS> Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info?????4 CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system8 Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system8 RE: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system8 Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system; Computerweekly article on DR, Financial/securities industry  Re: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?  Re: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?  RE: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?  Re: Dave Cutler and VMS  Re: Dave Cutler and VMS  Re: Dave Cutler and VMS H Digest of  online comments at CXO about "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS"2 Re: DS20E asks always the date/time when rebooting Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray  Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray  Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray  Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray  Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray% Re: Vaxstation 3100 and graphics card ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:56:31 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> - Subject: Re: "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS" ' Message-ID: <40ADC43F.C15F0A86@aaa.com>   ; As an reply to this mail to "hineshjethwani@cxotoday.com" :    > > Gentlemen !  > >  > > Having read the following :  > > % > > > [Copy of the posted snippet...]  > > > > > I must ask, have you ever written anything about comupters" > > and operating systems before ? > > < > > Care to explain exactly what makes OpenVMS "Unix-like" ? > > 1 > > Are also MVS and OS400 from IBM "Unix-like" ?  > >  > > Best Regards > > Jan-Erik Sderholm > > Sweden.Just got this back :       I today got the following back :     > Jan-Erik Sderholm,  > / > Thank you for your avid interest in CXOtoday.  > J > I am currently heading the editorial team, and we will have a new editorC > joining us shortly. I assure you that we have a strong underlying H > committment to provide only the most factual and thoroughly researched, > information as a part of our news content. > I > We have a reporter team with core technology fundamentals, and i myself H > hold a Bachelors Degree in Computer Engineering. However, i must admitB > that it is impossible for a single person to know all aspects ofE > technology, which makes the nature of our job extremely demanding - H > presenting a new challenge and an opportunity to learn everyday. It isB > only genuine feedback from loyal critical readers like yourself,, > which will enable us to achieve our target> > of evolving as the number one enterprise daily in the world. > M > Thank you once again for pointing out the error. As the statement came from H > Microsoft's Technical Evangelist, we decided to take it at face value,B > without 'educating' ourselves first, as you rightly pointed out. > M > We only hope that you will continue to provide us your invaluable feedback, B > which will strenghten our resolve and commitment to our readers. > 
 > Regards, > , > Hinesh Jethwani | Copy Editor | CXOToday |     No to bad, I think...   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:17:20 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> - Subject: Re: "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS" , Message-ID: <lMadnR3o0cX-nDPdRVn-vw@igs.net>  3 "Jan-Erik Sderholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message ! news:40ADC43F.C15F0A86@aaa.com... = > As an reply to this mail to "hineshjethwani@cxotoday.com" :  >  > > > Gentlemen !  > > > ! > > > Having read the following :  > > > ' > > > > [Copy of the posted snippet...]  > > > @ > > > I must ask, have you ever written anything about comupters$ > > > and operating systems before ? > > > > > > > Care to explain exactly what makes OpenVMS "Unix-like" ? > > > 3 > > > Are also MVS and OS400 from IBM "Unix-like" ?  > > >  > > > Best Regards > > > Jan-Erik Sderholm! > > > Sweden.Just got this back :  >  > " > I today got the following back : >  >  > > Jan-Erik Sderholm,  > > 1 > > Thank you for your avid interest in CXOtoday.  > > L > > I am currently heading the editorial team, and we will have a new editorE > > joining us shortly. I assure you that we have a strong underlying J > > committment to provide only the most factual and thoroughly researched. > > information as a part of our news content. > > K > > We have a reporter team with core technology fundamentals, and i myself J > > hold a Bachelors Degree in Computer Engineering. However, i must admitD > > that it is impossible for a single person to know all aspects ofG > > technology, which makes the nature of our job extremely demanding - J > > presenting a new challenge and an opportunity to learn everyday. It isD > > only genuine feedback from loyal critical readers like yourself,. > > which will enable us to achieve our target@ > > of evolving as the number one enterprise daily in the world. > > J > > Thank you once again for pointing out the error. As the statement came fromJ > > Microsoft's Technical Evangelist, we decided to take it at face value,D > > without 'educating' ourselves first, as you rightly pointed out.   <remainder snipped>     I This last paragraph is a 100% in-your-face reason why HP has to advertise  VMS.  I If the corporate buyers of the world are relying on Microsoft 'technical' I evangelists or Solaris or Linux evangelists and all the surrounding hype, L media attention, and advertising that those environments get, it's no wonderH VMS sales are so low and that nobody considers VMS as a viable solution.( It's because they have not heard of it!!  L When was the last time a VMS 'evangelist' was interviewed in a mainstream ITD publication? When was the last time a factual case made for VMS in aI mainstream IT publication. Nobody argues with making a case for OS390, or G NSK for niche markets; nobody argues making a case for Windows or Linux F despite their failings; yet everyone dumps on VMS as being 'yesterdaysJ child' despite being a technically and operationally superior choice for a vast majority of uses.  L All the VMS Ambassadors in the world can only visit a handful of customers -E HP has only 750-1000 'named' accounts in the USA - what are the other G millions of businesses in the USA alone, not to mention the rest of the ( world to do about finding out about VMS?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:01:56 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> - Subject: Re: "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS" ' Message-ID: <40AE19E4.5070800@MMaz.com>    John Smith wrote:   6 >"Jan-Erik S=F6derholm" <aaa@aaa.com> wrote in message" >news:40ADC43F.C15F0A86@aaa.com... > =20  > = >>As an reply to this mail to "hineshjethwani@cxotoday.com" :  >> >>   =20 >> >>>>Gentlemen !  >>>> >>>>Having read the following :  >>>> >>>>       =20 >>>>$ >>>>>[Copy of the posted snippet...] >>>>>         =20  >>>>> > >>>>I must ask, have you ever written anything about comupters" >>>>and operating systems before ? >>>>< >>>>Care to explain exactly what makes OpenVMS "Unix-like" ? >>>>1 >>>>Are also MVS and OS400 from IBM "Unix-like" ?  >>>> >>>>Best Regards >>>>Jan-Erik S=F6derholm >>>>Sweden.Just got this back :  >>>>       =20 >>>>" >>I today got the following back : >> >> >>   =20 >> >>>Jan-Erik S=F6derholm, >>> 0 >>>Thank you for your avid interest in CXOtoday. >>> J >>>I am currently heading the editorial team, and we will have a new edit= orD >>>joining us shortly. I assure you that we have a strong underlyingI >>>committment to provide only the most factual and thoroughly researched - >>>information as a part of our news content.  >>> J >>>We have a reporter team with core technology fundamentals, and i mysel= f I >>>hold a Bachelors Degree in Computer Engineering. However, i must admit C >>>that it is impossible for a single person to know all aspects of F >>>technology, which makes the nature of our job extremely demanding -I >>>presenting a new challenge and an opportunity to learn everyday. It is C >>>only genuine feedback from loyal critical readers like yourself, - >>>which will enable us to achieve our target ? >>>of evolving as the number one enterprise daily in the world.  >>> I >>>Thank you once again for pointing out the error. As the statement came  >>>     =20  >>>  >from  > =20  > I >>>Microsoft's Technical Evangelist, we decided to take it at face value, C >>>without 'educating' ourselves first, as you rightly pointed out.  >>>     =20  >>>  >  ><remainder snipped> >  > J >This last paragraph is a 100% in-your-face reason why HP has to advertis= e  >VMS.  > J >If the corporate buyers of the world are relying on Microsoft 'technical= ' J >evangelists or Solaris or Linux evangelists and all the surrounding hype= , J >media attention, and advertising that those environments get, it's no wo= nderI >VMS sales are so low and that nobody considers VMS as a viable solution. ) >It's because they have not heard of it!!  > J >When was the last time a VMS 'evangelist' was interviewed in a mainstrea= m IT >publication?=20 >   I They all died with DEC Professional, VAX Professional, Digital Review,=20 K and the other list of 'trade pubs' that were essentially marketing tools=20 K for Digital products but that at the same time offered a great arena for=20 G the introduction, evaluation, and consistent trade discussion of the=20 J OS's, layered products, and hardware that we all used then, or at least=20 thought about...=20   F I suspect that this would be a very expensive proposition for HP to=20D start back up, but consider that most magazine revenue is from ad=20J placement and ad value is based on circulation and reader/market focus,=20C one might conclude that if HP only did a 'Duh move' and starting=20 F pressing magazines and distributing them for free, or for a nominal=20F $20/30 year, for a monthly rag and using the names from all current=20K DECUS and Encompass members, as well as ANY site that has purchased new,=20 D or acquired updates over the past 24 months that is even remotely=20H related to VMS, that they would have to be able to compile a starting=20F distribution of 4000 to 5000 good target names just for starters...=20  F Then, making gratis copies available when new systems ship, be they=20K Itaniums, Alphas, or hell, even high-end multi-processor Pentiums/Xeons,=20 J start the evangelism and proselytizing but I would wager $100 right now=20K that we will not see anything like this...  HP, like Compaq, and in many=20 K respects Palmer, is just sucking the life blood from the veins until the=20 J heart just stops, so I see them doing no serious investing or marketing=20J campaigns to promote, education, instruction, nor inform the 'unwashed'=20	 on VMS...   F An aside, as the circulation increases, ad value would increase and=20F perhaps even to the point that the rags might cover their costs but=20I remember, this isn't supposed to be a profit center but an advertising=20 K vehicle to generate volume and sales which is where they would really to=20 J need test for 'change and growth' after many years of running...  After=20I a decade of VMS being ignored, a couple on-line PDF's or a web page or=20  two isn't going to do it.   # Just my never humble 2 cents :-)...    Barry    --=20   > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                       =20    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 13:46:08 +0200 , From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> Subject: ACMS Migration 5 Message-ID: <1085139970.263084@proxy.dienste.wien.at>   	 Hi folks,   F we have AlphaServers 1000A  running with OpenVMS V6.2 and ACMS V4.2-2.L We plan to migrate this old hardware to AlphaServer DS25 with OpenVMS V7.3-2 and ACMS V4.5.  E Has already someone done a migration like this? Are there problems to  expect? WhatI must recompiled/relinked? Are there great differences between ACMS V4-2.2  and I ACMS 4.5 (from the programmers view)?  Are some other things to consider?   5 MTIA for all answers, and kind greetings from Vienna,    Ferry    --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar % Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:53:37 GMT & From: "B Hall" <bill03060@comcast.net> Subject: Re: ACMS Migration / Message-ID: <1Cprc.91369$xw3.5171397@attbi_s04>   K From a programmer's point of view, there are no changes between ACMS V4.2-2 E and ACMS V4.5.  None of the MDB's, ADB's or TDB's need to be rebuilt.  ServerD images should still work, however you should plan on recompiling and relinking to take 1 advantage of any compiler changes over the years.   	 Bill Hall  ACMS Engineering  7 "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> wrote in message / news:1085139970.263084@proxy.dienste.wien.at...  > Hi folks,  > H > we have AlphaServers 1000A  running with OpenVMS V6.2 and ACMS V4.2-2.G > We plan to migrate this old hardware to AlphaServer DS25 with OpenVMS  V7.3-2 > and ACMS V4.5. > G > Has already someone done a migration like this? Are there problems to  > expect? WhatK > must recompiled/relinked? Are there great differences between ACMS V4-2.2  > and K > ACMS 4.5 (from the programmers view)?  Are some other things to consider?  > 7 > MTIA for all answers, and kind greetings from Vienna,  >  > Ferry  >  > --   > Ing. Ferry Bolhar ' > Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  > A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  > E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 07:37:21 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: AV SCANNER FOR VMS 6 Message-ID: <00A32254.3DF76A59@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  j In article <newscache$tw41yh$pkk1$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:] >In article <04052014502341@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes: O >>We currently use SOPHOS Anti-Virus scanner for VMS to file-scan our PW shares  >>and common areas.    > 3 >I'd like to do this (and integrate it in MX), too.  > O >>I have recently been notified that SOPHOS is terminating this product for VMS  >>sometime in 2005.   K Over on the INFO_PMDF list, whern this was discussed, it was clarified that I they wren't terminating the product (in the sense of "we won't sell it to M you"), but rather they figured it was already doing pretty much everything it K needed to be doing.  They'll maintain it, they'll keep providing anti-virus L definitions for it, you can keep buying it (at the same extortionate prices) and it'll keep working.   K They still need a good talking to, but this isn't - I think - catastrophic.    > D >Huuh ? Where is a good talk from a vendor to an ISV if we need it ? > L >Besides, what was your price ? I had a quote for 108,9 per year per licenseI >with a minimum of 5 licenses. Which was way out of my hobbyist budget...  > ) >>Anyone using another AV scanner on VMS?  >  >Is there one ?   O Not to my knowledge.  And unfortunately this isn't an area where Open Source is H likely to be much help, since the real value is in the updating of virus signatures.    -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:31:29 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: AV SCANNER FOR VMS ) Message-ID: <c8klq1$q27$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   \ In article <04052014502341@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:N >We currently use SOPHOS Anti-Virus scanner for VMS to file-scan our PW shares >and common areas.   > N >I have recently been notified that SOPHOS is terminating this product for VMS >sometime in 2005. >  > ( >Anyone using another AV scanner on VMS? >  This isn't quite true. According to the web page   + http://www.sophos.com/support/timeline.html   ! Development ends 31 December 2005    Retirement is "To be decided"   9 This raised some discussion on the vmsnet.mail.pmdf group      See T http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=01L9TGKCRUHUB67YVH%40gkss.de  E which reports that Sophos have stated that New virus engine features  J (eg detecting new file formats) and bug fixes would still be added to SAV  after the end of 2005.     and also  D http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=01LABBG27QTO8Y529C%40vsm.com.au  M which suggests that even the stopping development at the end of December 2005 A may be wrong since they are producing an IA64 VMS port of Sophos.   
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >  >  >  >J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n >VMS Systems Administrator+ >firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 06:48:50 -0500 & From: "John B." <norad869@comcast.net> Subject: Re: AV SCANNER FOR VMS * Message-ID: <40ADECA2.4020005@comcast.net>  F The development ends 31 December 2005.  And the difference is?   Sure  support continues.  So what!    Can we say "a little pregnant"?"   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   ] >In article <04052014502341@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:  >    > O >>We currently use SOPHOS Anti-Virus scanner for VMS to file-scan our PW shares  >>and common areas.    >>O >>I have recently been notified that SOPHOS is terminating this product for VMS  >>sometime in 2005.  >> >>) >>Anyone using another AV scanner on VMS?  >> >>     >> >This isn't quite true.  >According to the web page > , >http://www.sophos.com/support/timeline.html > " >Development ends 31 December 2005 >  >Retirement is "To be decided" > : >This raised some discussion on the vmsnet.mail.pmdf group >  >  >SeeU >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=01L9TGKCRUHUB67YVH%40gkss.de  > F >which reports that Sophos have stated that New virus engine features K >(eg detecting new file formats) and bug fixes would still be added to SAV   >after the end of 2005.  >  > 	 >and also  > E >http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=01LABBG27QTO8Y529C%40vsm.com.au  > N >which suggests that even the stopping development at the end of December 2005B >may be wrong since they are producing an IA64 VMS port of Sophos. >  >David Webb  >VMS and Unix team leader  >CCSS  >Middlesex University  >  >  >    >    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:24:32 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: AV SCANNER FOR VMS ) Message-ID: <c8kse0$s54$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   S In article <40ADECA2.4020005@comcast.net>, "John B." <norad869@comcast.net> writes: G >The development ends 31 December 2005.  And the difference is?   Sure   >support continues.  So what!  >   N I'm not following you. Support will continue. As I understand it new versions L will be released each month rolling up the ide files. New ide files will be D released as new viruses are detected - the ide files are totally OS  independent.K What we have now will continue to work into the future and will continue to $ detect new viruses as they come out.  K What won't happen is any massive new features such as heuristic scanning to 3 detect viruses without having a signature for them.     ! >Can we say "a little pregnant"?"  >    Can we say a mature product.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University      >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > ^ >>In article <04052014502341@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes: >>   >>P >>>We currently use SOPHOS Anti-Virus scanner for VMS to file-scan our PW shares >>>and common areas.   >>> P >>>I have recently been notified that SOPHOS is terminating this product for VMS >>>sometime in 2005. >>>  >>> * >>>Anyone using another AV scanner on VMS? >>>  >>>      >>>  >>This isn't quite true. >>According to the web page  >>- >>http://www.sophos.com/support/timeline.html  >># >>Development ends 31 December 2005  >> >>Retirement is "To be decided"  >>; >>This raised some discussion on the vmsnet.mail.pmdf group  >> >> >>See V >>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=01L9TGKCRUHUB67YVH%40gkss.de >>G >>which reports that Sophos have stated that New virus engine features  L >>(eg detecting new file formats) and bug fixes would still be added to SAV  >>after the end of 2005. >> >>
 >>and also >>F >>http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=01LABBG27QTO8Y529C%40vsm.com.au >>O >>which suggests that even the stopping development at the end of December 2005 C >>may be wrong since they are producing an IA64 VMS port of Sophos.  >> >>David Webb >>VMS and Unix team leader >>CCSS >>Middlesex University >> >> >>   >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:41:46 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> G Subject: Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info????? / Message-ID: <c8kmdb$j6$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > In article <c8iha6$30v$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: > , >>Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: >>o >>>In article <c8f7v8$enj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes:  >>>  >>>  >>>>David Svensson wrote:  >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c8dg6o$pig$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>>Jan van Mastbergen wrote:  >>>>>>E >>>>>>When OSF died a well deserved death Digital changed the name of G >>>>>>OSF-1 to DECUNIX quickly followed by another rebranding to Tru64.  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>Why was it well deserved? >>>>>  >>>>6 >>>>Because the motives for creating OSF were entirely4 >>>>bogus and because is set back the development of' >>>>UNIX to a point where NT creapt in.  >>>  >>> L >>>As far as I could tell, the motives for creating OSF were mostly distressJ >>>at the idea that AT&T - still official proprietors of Unix - had taken N >>>a significant ownership position in Sun.  This made other Unix players feelP >>>that the playing field was no longer level, and that they had to do something >>>about it. >>>  >> >>Ahh Bogus point number 1.  >>H >>In fact AT&T did not pass any ownership of UNIX to Sun at all, insteadG >>Sun was contracted to do a lot of the SVR4 development the results of + >>which were all owned by AT&T and not Sun.  >  > M > I leave this all in because you seem to be contradicting something I didn't O > say.  I said AT&T took a significant ownership position in Sun, not that AT&T P > gave Sun any ownership of Unix.  HP, Digital, and IBM didn't trust _AT&T_, andH > didn't like the former referee getting in bed with one of the players. >   = Not exactly, AT&T took a 20% stake in Sun at a point where it 9 would have been virtually impossible for that 20% to have   increased to a majority holding.  < And all AT&T did was something that many companies including> HP, IBM and Digital also would have done in the same situation= take a non controlling interest in a key development partner.   H > That's not a bogus motive -- you could call it misguided, but it's not > imaginary. >   > It depends on if you beleive that the reasons for the creation? of OSF were the ones voiced publically by the main OSF partners 7 of whether they were simply a rather convenient excuse.   F >>And even if the first point had been partly true and Sun had aquiredE >>partial ownership of SVR4 there was no evidence that Sun would have @ >>used that ownership to the dissadvantage of the other vendors. >  > " > But that wasn't the first point. >   2 But is was the point being made at the time by the OSF protagonists.   B >>Sun after all had an exemplary record of providing access to its5 >>one IP, one only has to think of NFS as an example.  >> > L > And here I agree.  Sun was putting forth all kinds of useful standards andL > protocols.  (This wasn't sheer distinterested goodness; they needed those M > protocols to be broadly implemented in order to be generally interoperable. P > There's very little point in NFS if it only lets Sun boxes talk to each other,J > especially at the point when it was released, when Sun was pretty much a > workstation company.)  >  > D >>The best you could say about HP, IBM and HP's motives in this case@ >>was that they assumed that Sun would behave in the same way asA >>they would have done if the assumed boot was on the other foot.  >  > P > AT&T, you might recall, had given up being a protected communications monopolyN > in exchange for the right to sell computers to the general public.  They hadO > strongly signalled that they wanted to be a for-profit competitor in the Unix O > marketplace.  Regardless of Sun's previous behavior, it made plenty of sense  Q > for other Unix vendors not to want to let AT&T and Sun control their destinies.  >   C Why, most of these vendors were also in very similar positions with G other IP suppliers, Microsoft being a good example. However the history D of computing is not littered with the relics of consortia created byC HP, IBM etc to counter the threat of having Microsoft control their 
 destinies.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 14:29:36 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>= Subject: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system * Message-ID: <2h6b1iF9inkgU1@uni-berlin.de>  F It's been many years since I did this, but I'm trying to create a CDE ) desktop on another system (running OS X).   * I can create a single DECterm session via:  0 $ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=mac
 $ create/term   ! However, when I do the following:   0 $ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=mac/ $ @sys$common:[cde$defaults.system.bin]xsession   E It simply creates the normal number of DECterm sessions for the user  D I'mm running with, whereas what I  am trying to do is to create the 1 complete desktop, starting with the login screen.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:49:10 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system * Message-ID: <2h6j78F9qqjfU1@uni-berlin.de>   Paul Sture wrote:  >...F > It simply creates the normal number of DECterm sessions for the userE > I'mm running with, whereas what I  am trying to do is to create the 3 > complete desktop, starting with the login screen.   0 $ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=mac( $ run cde$system_defaults:[bin]dtsession   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:08:06 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> A Subject: RE: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEINDEAA.tom@kednos.com>   < What is the significance 'mac' in the .node qualifier?  Does the name have a prior meaning?     -----Original Message-----C   From: Peter Weaver [mailto:WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca] $   Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:49 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com C   Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system          Paul Sture wrote:    >...H   > It simply creates the normal number of DECterm sessions for the userG   > I'mm running with, whereas what I  am trying to do is to create the 5   > complete desktop, starting with the login screen.    2   $ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=mac*   $ run cde$system_defaults:[bin]dtsession      --     Peter Weaver!   Weaver Consulting Services Inc.    Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX    www.weaverconsulting.ca          --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004     --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:15:41 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system 2 Message-ID: <40AE1D19.E4D70AF1@firstdbasource.com>   Tom Linden wrote:   > > What is the significance 'mac' in the .node qualifier?  Does  > the name have a prior meaning? >   I I would "assume" that mac would be replaced by the name or IP address for ( his machine - which could be a ...mac...   :) Michael.     >  >   -----Original Message-----E >   From: Peter Weaver [mailto:WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca] & >   Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 7:49 AM >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com E >   Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system  >  >  >   Paul Sture wrote:  >   >...J >   > It simply creates the normal number of DECterm sessions for the userI >   > I'mm running with, whereas what I  am trying to do is to create the 7 >   > complete desktop, starting with the login screen.  > 4 >   $ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=mac, >   $ run cde$system_defaults:[bin]dtsession >  >   -- >   Peter Weaver# >   Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  >   Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  >   www.weaverconsulting.ca  >  >  >   --- * >   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> >   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C >   Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004  >  > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A > Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004    ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2004 09:16:20 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)D Subject: Computerweekly article on DR, Financial/securities industry= Message-ID: <bf98c417.0405210816.24703a79@posting.google.com>   $ VMS not mentioned.  Excerpts follow.   << http://www.computerweekly.com/articles/article.asp?liArticleID=130492&liArticleTypeID=1&liCategoryID=1&liChannelID=7&liFlavourID=1&sSearch=&nPage=1 >>  - Disaster plans put Wall Street under pressure   B Brokerages and other financial services firms are facing increasedE pressure from the US government and regulators within the industry to 1 define and test their IT disaster recovery plans.   E They are also being being pushed to consider moving their backup data = centres further away from their primary computing facilities.   E Steve Randich, chief information officer at Nasdaq Stock Market, said @ that a combination of "peer pressure and regulatory pressure" isF prodding companies to ensure that their systems will keep running if a disaster occurs.  D ...more pressure is being put on firms to increase the resiliency of> their systems beyond the capabilities they have already built.  F ...the new rules should not have a big impact on large firms that haveA been improving their disaster recovery architectures since the 11 F September 2001 terrorist attacks. The NASD and NYSE are simply looking% to "formalise the process", he added.   C "All the firms have robust backup sites that are some distance from C their primary sites," Sprow noted. "But they are looking at ways to 4 add additional sites or to increase the separation."   WWWebb   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:40:13 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk" Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?) Message-ID: <c8kmad$q27$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>   y In article <40AD6A18.D7C7D728@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:   >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: >>  ` >> In article <Tn6rc.1975$5x3.467@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com> writes:P >> >CSWS 2.0 is next on my list. I hope to roll-up a source code kit in the next0 >> >couple of weeks and post it on our web site. >> > >> Rick, >>  P >> can HP put some resource into sorting out SWS 2.0 - the stream-lf restriction >> and other problems. >>  P >> I and many other VMS users have been testing out Process software's anti-spamA >> product which has a web gui interface for users to control it. 6 >> This works fine on OSU, WASD, CSWS1.3 and Purveyor.R >> However SWS2.0 has posed so many problems that Process are now recommending not >> using it :-	 >> [snip]  >  >Um, David?  > D >Since John W.'s passing, we've a fair few folks in our court in theF >OpenVMS arena. Advocates are dear, indeed. Best not to sully Hunter's >rep. with the OpenVMS folks.  >   K Sorry didn't mean to sully Hunter's rep just to report that SWS 2.0 doesn't * seem to be quite ready for production use.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/  > ) >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:   >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 12:46:56 GMT 1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> " Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?2 Message-ID: <40ADFA3C.28C5E5FE@firstdbasource.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:   { > In article <40AD6A18.D7C7D728@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes: " > >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > >>b > >> In article <Tn6rc.1975$5x3.467@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com> writes:R > >> >CSWS 2.0 is next on my list. I hope to roll-up a source code kit in the next2 > >> >couple of weeks and post it on our web site. > >> >
 > >> Rick, > >>R > >> can HP put some resource into sorting out SWS 2.0 - the stream-lf restriction > >> and other problems. >   y This restriction is causing a LOT of people to stay at 1.3.  This restriction might be fine if everything presented on an { OpenVMS box was generated with a tool that created it STMLF format in the first place.  Guess what, they are not.  They are z generated with C, COBOL, BASIC, FORTRAN programs.  Some are even copied from IBM systems (I know of one very large projecty that does... ~43K files/mnth)   We could go on and on about this, but the bottom line is that until it is fixed, a lot of  people will leave it alone....   Michael.     > >>R > >> I and many other VMS users have been testing out Process software's anti-spamC > >> product which has a web gui interface for users to control it. 8 > >> This works fine on OSU, WASD, CSWS1.3 and Purveyor.T > >> However SWS2.0 has posed so many problems that Process are now recommending not > >> using it :- > >> [snip]  > > 
 > >Um, David?  > > F > >Since John W.'s passing, we've a fair few folks in our court in theH > >OpenVMS arena. Advocates are dear, indeed. Best not to sully Hunter's > >rep. with the OpenVMS folks.  > >  > M > Sorry didn't mean to sully Hunter's rep just to report that SWS 2.0 doesn't , > seem to be quite ready for production use. >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  > >--  > >David J. Dachtera > >dba DJE Systems > >http://www.djesys.com/  > > + > >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: " > >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:00:16 -0400 * From: Kenneth.Robinson@VerizonWireless.com" Subject: RE: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?" Message-ID: <6212204@MVB.SAIC.COM>   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@firstdbasource.com]$ > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 8:47 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com $ > Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 Source Code? >  > ! > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  > ; > > In article <40AD6A18.D7C7D728@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>,  D > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> writes:$ > > >david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: > > >>? > > >> In article <Tn6rc.1975$5x3.467@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Rick  ' > Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com> writes: @ > > >> >CSWS 2.0 is next on my list. I hope to roll-up a source  > code kit in the next4 > > >> >couple of weeks and post it on our web site. > > >> > > > >> Rick, > > >>? > > >> can HP put some resource into sorting out SWS 2.0 - the   > stream-lf restriction  > > >> and other problems. > >  > ? > This restriction is causing a LOT of people to stay at 1.3.   > > This restriction might be fine if everything presented on an> > OpenVMS box was generated with a tool that created it STMLF A > format in the first place.  Guess what, they are not.  They are > > generated with C, COBOL, BASIC, FORTRAN programs.  Some are @ > even copied from IBM systems (I know of one very large project> > that does... ~43K files/mnth)   We could go on and on about ? > this, but the bottom line is that until it is fixed, a lot of   > people will leave it alone.... >   E A few weeks ago I posted (or thought I posted) a work-a-round to this  problem.  C Install PHP and add (or modify) the following line in MOD_PHP.CONF:   6 AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .html .htm  G This will make all "normal" html files go through the PHP pre-processor J before getting to the web server. The PHP program doesn't care what formatH the input file is in.  I didn't test to see how much time this adds when displaying pages.    Ken Robinson   ------------------------------   Date: 21 May 2004 06:55:02 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>  Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-JITiMXIBpLID@dave2_os2.home.ours>   C On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:58:55 UTC, Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>   wrote:  G > In article <no6qa01qo5lkco0hhc68oeu8egb32enouo@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel ! > <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> wrote:  > I > > On Thu, 20 May 2004 21:42:56 +0200, "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> wrote:  > > K > > >> Cutler left VMS in 1980 before version 2.0 was released, and was not 4 > > >> further involved with the VMS OS development. > > > # > > >The PASCAL compiler as well ??  > H > Could that confusion have arisen from PDP-11 Micropower Pascal? It wasC > an ancestor to VAXELN which *was* Cutler's. Micropower Pascal was I > actually an OS. Or at least a real-time runtime. With a confusing name.  > > 9 > > Cutler had nothing whatsoever to do with VAX Pascal.   > > Q > >  VAX Pascal V1 was written by the University of Washington.  V2 and later was N > > a completely new implementation by DEC.  I designed and wrote the run-timeO > > library for V2.  The code generator was unique among VAX compilers as well, P > > based on research done at CMU. (The C, PL/I and, later, Ada compilers sharedB > > the "VAX Code Generator" developed by Cutler's compiler team.) > > 	 > > Steve   @ But isn't the VAX/ELN Pascal compiler is a completely different D product to the original VAX/VMS Pascal compiler? Is the VAX/ELN one D not his? It does provide a very clean interface to the ELN services.  A Apparently, you can use the ELN Pascal compiler to create normal  F VAX/VMS applications. ISTR one freeware package that used it. Our ELN E project has 3 ELN Pascal sources, the rest is venerable VAX-Fortran,  @ with which you are familiar, I believe ;-) One module is a main F routine that I took from the 'VAX/ELN Examples' when first starting toB use ELN. The other two do file i/o. I had to change that area to  5 Pascal because the Fortran OTS i/o is not re-entrant.   A Still find it sad that VAX/ELN never made it to Alpha. Either as  F target or development environment. It's the reason why I haven't moved" to Fortran-9x. i.e. no F90 on VAX.   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 11:42:55 -0400 + From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>   Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS8 Message-ID: <hl8sa0hp94giuu1iu9mnt2t775alirph09@4ax.com>  I On 21 May 2004 06:55:02 GMT, "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>  wrote:  I >> Could that confusion have arisen from PDP-11 Micropower Pascal? It was D >> an ancestor to VAXELN which *was* Cutler's. Micropower Pascal wasJ >> actually an OS. Or at least a real-time runtime. With a confusing name. >> >  : >> > Cutler had nothing whatsoever to do with VAX Pascal.  > A >But isn't the VAX/ELN Pascal compiler is a completely different  E >product to the original VAX/VMS Pascal compiler? Is the VAX/ELN one  E >not his? It does provide a very clean interface to the ELN services.   M I should know this. But it's been so long.  I can't remember if VAXELN Pascal N was a port of VAX Pascal or if it was a separate implementation.  I'm inclinedF to say it was a port because I know it used a port of my VAX Pascal V22 run-time library.  But I can't be certain of this.  7 I was the project leader for VAXELN Ada for five years.    Steve    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 01:21:42 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>  Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS- Message-ID: <87vfippuft.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   D > We licensed PL/I and the underlying compiler technology to digitalE > in January 1978, Cutler had a team that set about to build the code D > generator, vcg, I think it took them about three years, I reviewedE > their book before publication in spring of 1982.  So I am not sure, C > but I don't think Dave had a lot to do with VMS after early 1978.   ? See "Engineering a Compiler" (I think) from DP. Be sure to read  Beauty and the Beast.   E The objects for VCG are in the SCAN freeware stuff, be nice if it was 9 also freewared, for historical reference if nothing else.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2004 06:51:07 -07002 From: williamwebb@openvms-rocks.com (William Webb)Q Subject: Digest of  online comments at CXO about "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS" = Message-ID: <bf98c417.0405210551.38bca4da@posting.google.com>   @ Minor spelling errors have been corrected- [any additions are in	 brackets]    Enjoy.   Comments of the day   G ======================================================================= D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  21/05/2004 12:03 PM   C Microsoft has got a MTBSS less than even 200 hours compared to Unix C which is around 20,000 hours. Linux, whose kernel is like Unix will A also give similar kind of stability. Hence in no way can some one @ compare the stability factor when it comes to Windows and Linux.  E Microsoft Windows was never supposed to be a secured system and hence A all higher end systems and secured systems needed other operating E systems. Linux with its low cost and with inbuilt Firewall systems in D products like Biz Desk 4.0 of Elx, becomes a very economical option.  ? Kindly note as per security standards study Windows is the most : vulnerable operating system and maximum number of security, vulnerability cases are reported in Windows.  F In 2001 around 63 security patches were released by Microsoft. I think@ that talks volumes about the stability and security of Microsoft Windows as a platform.  + Manojit Majumdar, , anonymous Hyderabad          G =======================================================================    D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  21/05/2004 11:19 AM   Hi Tom,   A I am sure Dave worked as part of the team. Almost, anything but a / trivial piece of software requires team effort.   D There are several places where it is quoted about Dave's association9 with VMS (at that time on VAX) Here are some I could find   J http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/features/2000/jul00/07-03engineers2.asp2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Memory_SystemK http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/Windows-NT_is_VMS_re-implemented.html   E Yes, you are right that in 90's it was rechristened OpenVMS. Regards,    Tarun, , Microsoft New Delhi      G =======================================================================    D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  21/05/2004 04:25 AM  ? Q: Do Microsoft and Linux offer the same stability & security?     A: Who cares!   B Anyone wanting these features is already running another operatingF system. As for the drivel spouted about VMS and its supposed unix-likeC nature, I would suggest that the author obtained his knowledge in a  Christmas cracker.  " He is misinformed, in fact wrong.   C As for his grasp of elementary logic, well, I suggest those that do D have a grasp of it read the tripe [the author] has used to make this dubious logical conclusion.    Dr. Dweeb, , Anonymous NYC      G =======================================================================    D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  21/05/2004 03:13 AM  < Credit where credit is due, but Dave Cutler has not designed
 "VAX/VMS".@ He was one of many people who worked on this excellent operating system.   A Too bad that Microsoft did never benefit from these efforts - for 
 Microsoft.  4 And what is this BS about "VAX/VMS" is "Unix-like"? ? It seems to me the author of this article has no clue.  Sorry.    ? Beside, VAX/VMS is also known as OpenVMS/VAX. In addition it is D available as OpenVMS/Alpha and OpenVMS/Itanium. Just call it OpenVMS or simply VMS.  * A. Tom, , Three Mile Island Harrisburg      G =======================================================================    D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  21/05/2004 01:51 AM  C I wonder how the VMS is like UNIX conclusion was reached? I believe * there are many that would argue otherwise.  C Some might also argure that of all the operating systems mentioned, ) VMS is a good choice for the most secure.   B I wonder if the author is willing to spend a bit more time "in the7 library" researching before such conclusions are drawn.   4 Dave Gudewicz, , Abbott Labs Abbott Park, IL USA       G =======================================================================    D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  21/05/2004 01:13 AM   Evangelist=evilangelist!     qaqadave, , self regina       G =======================================================================    D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  21/05/2004 12:49 AM  ? A person working in Microsoft for 9 years, cannot have unbiased @ opinion when comparing it with Linux. I really wonder what magicE (sic!) they do to media to write/publicise such sickening comments as  unbiased comments.  @ It certainly does not add to your own reliability as an unbiased source of information.  D I hope you will stick to being an unbiased source of information andF will have the courage to withstand the strong onslaught of advertising dollars of the vulgar monopoly.   ' Sudhir Gandotra, , Openls.com delhi       G =======================================================================    D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  21/05/2004 12:40 AM  D "Horses are like tigers", yes, both are mammals and have four legs.   2 "Unix-like systems like VAX-VMS" . No they don't.   @ They envy VAX-VMS. Because VMS has a built in four-ring securityB model, built-in clustering and many more features that any real OS should have.  4 Linux doesn't have them, Windows doesn't have them.   ; Please visit the comp.os.vmns newsgroup and ask about it.     6 Wilm Boerhout, , VX Company Laren, The Netherlands      G =======================================================================    D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  20/05/2004 10:12 PM    Laid to rest?    Oh, puh-LEAZE.    E The LINUX vs. Microsoft debate will die at about the same time as the  UNIX vs. VMS debate.  D And UNIX vs. VMS has been going on for how long now?   It feels like the Hundred Years' War.   > Anybody who claims their operating system is the "One And Only@ Solution For All Of Your Computing Needs" is in severe need of a reality infusion.   E This point of view, at the low end of the scale is biased, and at the  high end, delusional.   > As soon as I got to "VMS is a UNIX-like operating system", any< credibility which had been allocated to Mr. Anand's previous statements disappeared.   F VMS and UNIX have many more differences than commonalities in terms of+ features, capabilities and vulnerabilities.   o <A HREF="http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3a65a5c8.0401091542.1df169b%40posting.google.com&output=gplain">A @ recent post to comp.os.vms by a gentleman in the employ of an HPB competitor</A> went into great detail concerning the modifications< which would have to be made to a UNIX in order to enable its2 reliability and stability to approach that of VMS.  D Senor Peon, , Big company, government contract southeastern U.S.      G =======================================================================    D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  20/05/2004 09:47 PM   B "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS. " The above statement is untrue.   B VMS is not a unix-like system, never was. Such a statement shows a gross lack of knowledge of VMS.   C What else can this person be wrong about. It makes any part of this D persons "candid and unbiased" opinion suspect. "candid and unbiased"% has to have some knowledge behind it.   ; Where are the technically knowledgable proofreaders at your ( organization who could have caught this?  7 sol gongola, , ADL Data Systems inc Dobbs Ferry, NY        G =======================================================================   D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  20/05/2004 09:15 PM   @ "...Dave Cutler that is responsible for developing and designingF Windows NT, has designed Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS." Get educated2 before you make false statements like this please.  5 Want to know more about a REAL operating system go to ) http://www.openvms.org. -- SpyderByte.com   ? Ken Farmer, , SpyderByte Technical Portals Kernersville           G =======================================================================    D Evangelist Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest  20/05/2004 09:43 AM   D As the two stand today, Microsoft clearly has an edge in the desktopF environment, days are not for Linux to make a substantial dent in that market too.   B But when it comes to the server domain Linux clearly has a leading; edge on stability, scalability, cost effectiveness, ease of  maintenance etc.,   C But one thing is for sure that at least in the near future we would E not see one killing the other, but they would co exi[s]t and grow and E would lead to a healthy market competion and at the bottom line would D help to grow each others technology which is ultimately good for the common mankind.    L Ramesh, , Altosys Chennai    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 21:03:44 +1000 1 From: David J McKenzie <david@mckenziefamily.biz> ; Subject: Re: DS20E asks always the date/time when rebooting C Message-ID: <40ade206$0$37809$c30e37c6@lon-reader.news.telstra.net>    John Laird wrote:   L > On 18 May 2004 03:24:43 -0700, luc.van.calster@kender-thijssen.be (Luc Van > Calster) wrote:  > J >>The 'SETTIME' parameter is "0", so VMS can't possibly ask for the date & >>time.  > H > It can and will if it thinks the battery clock is not trustworthy.  As > wellF > as SETTIME, read up on TIMEPROMPTWAIT.  Try setting that to a "don't > promptH > or not for long" value and see what the system time is after booting.   > This may or may not confirm... > ? >>We replaced the battery on the motherboard also, no solution.  > E > ... that most likely something is still wrong in this area, anyway.  >   G and remember that the unit for timepromptwait is in microfortnights :-)    --  . David McKenzie  david@rugby.mckenziefamily.biz   remove rugby   ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2004 03:37:43 -0700- From: gtaylor@lowebroadway.com (Garry Taylor) % Subject: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray = Message-ID: <f0fd5987.0405210237.6fdc24e7@posting.google.com>    Hello,D I'm thinking abou buying an OpenVMS machine maybe an Alpha XP1000 orC something. Anyway, as both Sun and OpenVMS use CDE and X Windows, I F was thinking should it be possible to log into the OpenVMS machine viaF a Sun machine? Should I simply be able to type the OpenVMS machines IP& address into the CDE login on the Sun?  # Experiences, thoughts etc. welcome.    Cheers   Garry    ------------------------------    Date: 21 May 2004 08:09:52 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray 3 Message-ID: <y0BV8VmEwSsB@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <f0fd5987.0405210237.6fdc24e7@posting.google.com>, gtaylor@lowebroadway.com (Garry Taylor) writes:  > Hello,F > I'm thinking abou buying an OpenVMS machine maybe an Alpha XP1000 orE > something. Anyway, as both Sun and OpenVMS use CDE and X Windows, I H > was thinking should it be possible to log into the OpenVMS machine viaH > a Sun machine? Should I simply be able to type the OpenVMS machines IP( > address into the CDE login on the Sun?  F    I have done so many times.  You don't have to use CDE, even old MWM?    and OpenWindows would work together since they both are X11.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 15:13:08 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> ) Subject: Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray & Message-ID: <40AE0064.F674000@aaa.com>  3 Depending on what you'd like to do, an plain simple ! telnet login would probably work.   	 Jan-Erik.    Garry Taylor wrote:  >  > Hello,F > I'm thinking abou buying an OpenVMS machine maybe an Alpha XP1000 orE > something. Anyway, as both Sun and OpenVMS use CDE and X Windows, I H > was thinking should it be possible to log into the OpenVMS machine viaH > a Sun machine? Should I simply be able to type the OpenVMS machines IP( > address into the CDE login on the Sun? > % > Experiences, thoughts etc. welcome.  >  > Cheers >  > Garry    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 17:19:25 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ) Subject: Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray 0 Message-ID: <c8la6e$gbe$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Garry Taylor wrote:  > Hello,F > I'm thinking abou buying an OpenVMS machine maybe an Alpha XP1000 orE > something. Anyway, as both Sun and OpenVMS use CDE and X Windows, I H > was thinking should it be possible to log into the OpenVMS machine viaH > a Sun machine? Should I simply be able to type the OpenVMS machines IP( > address into the CDE login on the Sun? >  The answer is yes.  D If OpenVMS supports XDMCP then the Options menu should allow you to D login to an OpenVMS system that will appear as one of the servers on	 the list.   @ Alternatively you can manually enter its hostname or IP address.  E This will give you a complete X-Windows desktop being driven from the  OpenVMS box.  D Alternatively open a terminal window on the Solaris desktop and typeF telnet hostname/IP address. (I don't think this is what you are after)   regards  Andrew Harrison % > Experiences, thoughts etc. welcome.  >  > Cheers >  > Garry    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 19:40:27 +0200 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>) Subject: Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray * Message-ID: <2h6tctF9qa3jU1@uni-berlin.de>  K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = schreef in bericht news:c8la6e$gbe$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > Garry Taylor wrote: 
 > > Hello,H > > I'm thinking abou buying an OpenVMS machine maybe an Alpha XP1000 orG > > something. Anyway, as both Sun and OpenVMS use CDE and X Windows, I J > > was thinking should it be possible to log into the OpenVMS machine viaJ > > a Sun machine? Should I simply be able to type the OpenVMS machines IP* > > address into the CDE login on the Sun? > >  > The answer is yes. > E > If OpenVMS supports XDMCP then the Options menu should allow you to F > login to an OpenVMS system that will appear as one of the servers on > the list.  > B > Alternatively you can manually enter its hostname or IP address. > G > This will give you a complete X-Windows desktop being driven from the  > OpenVMS box. > F > Alternatively open a terminal window on the Solaris desktop and typeH > telnet hostname/IP address. (I don't think this is what you are after) > 	 > regards  > Andrew Harrison ' > > Experiences, thoughts etc. welcome.  > > 
 > > Cheers > > 	 > > Garry  >   A If you use DEC's IP stack then the facility is called XDM (server  component). # Runs fine on a Reflection X server.  Hans   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:04:50 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>. Subject: Re: Vaxstation 3100 and graphics card' Message-ID: <c8kgr4$8t9$1@lore.csc.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > K > If one installs the SPX (WS01X) graphics card on a vaxstation 3100-30, is N > there a need to rerun  autogen ? Or does the graphics card come with all its4 > own resources (such as screen bitmap memory) etc ? > O > Also, is there a way through software/sysgen to disable the graphics card and E > have the built-in monochrome card take over (either at boot time or W > dynamically) ? (for istance to test how x software performs on a monochrome display).  > O > Also, something I don't quite understand. What does "8 plane" actually mean ?  > N > Also, what sort of services does the graphics card provide to VMS ? does VMSK > just use the graphic card's memory to just dump bitmaps, or does the card P > provide smart services such as functions to draw lines, boxes, fill areas with > a colour pattern etc ? > P > Does the graphic card use specific drivers at the VMS level ? (if so, which ?)  E Having done what your planning to do I'm speaking from experience and G research of my own prior to this, but I can't answer all the questions.   H The board itself is intelligent, you'll see a different start up test on the monitor.  D Rerunning AUTOGEN, no not specifically, but you can have more/biggerD windows that may, or may not need more resources, so it's up to you.  E 4 plane is 16 colours, common on MV 2000. I upgraded to 8 plane, that F gives 256 colours. I think the reason it is called a plane is that youF look at it as a layer of 1024 by 768 points (pixels) but each pixel orG point has up to 8 values, the 8 planes. It needs more memory of course, H but you have 8 times a 1024 by 768 "screen". Have I explained that well?  F I think it works out that the card is actually just under a meg, whereD today's PC equivalents are concerned, and your self respecting gamerF would not be seen dead with any less than 64 meg, and 128 meg is quite+ common, but I may also be behind the times.   H As to the way VMS handles the card, yes it calls in the specific driver.G WINDOW_SYSTEM is set to 1, which tells it this, and it goes through the G DECW$PRIVATE* com files. I've never really fiddled with those to change B the scan rates or resolution, that is more done in Alpha graphics.  B So the top and bottom of this, is it worthwhile replacing a GPX (8H plane) card with an SPX (8 plan bigger resolution) card? In my view yes.C It is easy, but be careful not to damage the boards by flexing them  during install.   E You can add colour to a black/white MV3100, but you'll find there are B probably no little white support posts for the card. So there's noF SYSGEN parameter I know if to force a B/W display, just pull the card!  7 I'm sure Fred K will fill in the gaps and correct me...  --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 09:31:28 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised' Message-ID: <c8kesi$85i$1@lore.csc.com>    John Smith wrote:  > M > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message    >  > It's tougher than that.... > N > No Exchange compatible server on VMS, now no more AV software (EOL announced/ > for Sophos), no Sybase, no this, no that.....      ... No SAP ....    --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.281 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      $1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes: > >  > >>David Svensson wrote:  > >> > >> > >>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c8dg6o$pig$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>Jan van Mastbergen wrote:  > >>>>E > >>>>When OSF died a well deserved death Digital changed the name of G > >>>>OSF-1 to DECUNIX quickly followed by another rebranding to Tru64.  > >>>  > >>>  > >>>Why was it well deserved? > >>>  > >>6 > >>Because the motives for creating OSF were entirely4 > >>bogus and because is set back the development of' > >>UNIX to a point where NT creapt in.  > >  > > M > > As far as I could tell, the motives for creating OSF were mostly distress K > > at the idea that AT&T - still official proprietors of Unix - had taken  O > > a significant ownership position in Sun.  This made other Unix players feel Q > > that the playing field was no longer level, and that they had to do something 
 > > about it.  > >  >  > Ahh Bogus point number 1.  > H > In fact AT&T did not pass any ownership of UNIX to Sun at all, insteadG > Sun was contracted to do a lot of the SVR4 development the results of + > which were all owned by AT&T and not Sun.   = That isn't what he said at all.  He did not say that AT&T had : passed ownership of UNIX to Sun.  He said AT&T had taken a> significant ownership position in Sun.  That means that bought9 a lot of Sun stock.  I don't know if this is true or not. ? But that doesn't matter.  What matters is that you consistently ; argue by misrepresenting other people's statements and then ; deny your own misrepresentation.  This either means you are - an idiot, careless or deliberately deceptive.    Go away, troll!    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:47:09 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> G Subject: RE: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info????? 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEIBDEAA.tom@kednos.com>      -----Original Message-----5   From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu] &   Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 1:16 PM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com I   Subject: Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info?????     ;   In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIGEHKDEAA.tom@kednos.com>, (   	"Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:   >    > 9   >   From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu]    > B   >   Strike 2.  RSTS is still commercially available.  And before   you strikeA   >   out completely, so is RT-11.  None of the really well known 
   PDP-11 OSes ;   >   have been EOLed yet. Now, IAS and Ultrix-11 are toast    (although some of I   >   us have been having fun revivng Ultrix-11 and Y2King where needed.)    > @   > If I get ambitious, I'll power Ultrix and make up a PL/I kit   for hobbyists 3   > so you can have a real compiler to play with:-)    >   G   You have PL/I for the PDP-11.  Now that would be cool.  If you do get H   the chance to do this be sure to announce it over in the PDP-11 groups3   too.  I don't imagine most of them hang out here.   ( No, not for the 11, just the Ultrix/Mips     bill     --L   Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF   bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.   University of Scranton   |@   Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>     --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked 