1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 22 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 283       Contents:$ Re: "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS"8 Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system8 Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system Re: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?  Re: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?  Re: Dave Cutler and VMS  Re: Dave Cutler and VMS  Re: Dave Cutler and VMS  Re: Dave Cutler and VMS  Re: Dave Cutler and VMS  Re: Dave Cutler and VMS  RE: Dave Cutler and VMS   Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray  Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray- Re: Puzzling LIB$SPAWN problem with DEC BASIC - Re: Puzzling LIB$SPAWN problem with DEC BASIC - Re: Puzzling LIB$SPAWN problem with DEC BASIC - Re: Puzzling LIB$SPAWN problem with DEC BASIC - Re: Puzzling LIB$SPAWN problem with DEC BASIC % Re: Vaxstation 3100 and graphics card > Re: VCG, the VAX Code Generator (was: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS)& Re: VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI-V0600.DCX_AXPEXE& Re: VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI-V0600.DCX_AXPEXE) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised ' [OpenVMS VAX V7.3] OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE ? + Re: [OpenVMS VAX V7.3] OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE ? + Re: [OpenVMS VAX V7.3] OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:35:54 GMT , From: "Dave Gudewicz" <k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net>- Subject: Re: "Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS" / Message-ID: <KjLrc.96501$xw3.5541635@attbi_s04>   F I noticed several people responded to the VMS is UNIX-like article and5 that's fine.  Now on to the damage control subject...   J Trouble is many more eyes will see - and believe - the article and not the2 correction, if the correction even gets published.   Dave...   A "Kenneth Farmer" <KFarmer@NOSPAM.SpyderByte.com> wrote in message 7 news:av4rc.51635$V_.2059050@twister.southeast.rr.com... G > Don't let them get away with statements like this!  Email them.  Call  their  > butt on the carpet.  >  > Editor: editor@cxotoday.com % > Writer: hineshjethwani@cxotoday.com  > I > If anyone wants to write a rebuttal I'll gladly post it on OpenVMS.org. K > This is the kind of garbage when need to fight.  Any time you see someone L > write something like this post it on the newsgroup with email addresss and+ > lets flood them with the facts via email!  >  > Ken  > = > -----------------------------------------------------------  > Kenneth R. Farmer <>< ! > OpenVMS.org  |  dcl.OpenVMS.org  >  >  > ? > "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote in message * > news:40ABE32D.12784.804D7A9@localhost...H > > Is VMS like Unix?  I like the butter commercial: "We'll never say we > > taste like margarine." > > - > > ------- Forwarded message follows -------  > > 6 > > EVANGELIST Puts Linux v/s Microsoft Debate To Rest > > CXOtoday.com - IndiaF > > .. has core similarities to Unix, and the same Dave Cutler that isE > > responsible for developing and designing Windows NT, has designed & > > Unix-like systems like VAX/VMS ...J > > <http://www.cxotoday.com/cxo/jsp/index.jsp?section=News&subsection=Peo9 > > ple&subsection_code=6&file=template1.jsp&storyid=966>  > > G > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -  > > --Stan Quayle  > > Quayle Consulting Inc. > >  > > ----------1 > > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 7 > > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 4 > > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com > >  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 13:47:50 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system * Message-ID: <2h8sv8F9n7meU1@uni-berlin.de>   Peter Weaver wrote:  > Paul Sture wrote:  >  >>Peter Weaver wrote:  >> >>>Paul Sture wrote: >>>  >>>  >>>>... H >>>>It simply creates the normal number of DECterm sessions for the userG >>>>I'mm running with, whereas what I  am trying to do is to create the 5 >>>>complete desktop, starting with the login screen.  >>>  >>> 3 >>>$ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=mac + >>>$ run cde$system_defaults:[bin]dtsession  >>>  >>3 >>Oh, that's what I started with. XSESSION.COM runs $ >>cde$system_defaults:[bin]dtsession >>...  >  >  > Sorry, that should have been > 1 > $ run cde$system_defaults:[bin]CDE$RESTARTLOGIN  > ! > to start with the login screen.  >   H That appears to do absolutely nothing. It returns to the command prompt I straight away. Can you confirm that this is abnormal behaviour? If so, I  % assume it's not reporting some error.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:23:39 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGA Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system 0 Message-ID: <00A3235E.979034A8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <2h724dF9n4i8U1@uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:  >Paul Sture wrote: >> Peter Weaver wrote: >>> Paul Sture wrote:  >>>  >>>> ...I >>>> It simply creates the normal number of DECterm sessions for the user H >>>> I'mm running with, whereas what I  am trying to do is to create the6 >>>> complete desktop, starting with the login screen. >>>  >>> 4 >>> $ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=mac, >>> $ run cde$system_defaults:[bin]dtsession >>>  >>4 >> Oh, that's what I started with. XSESSION.COM runs% >> cde$system_defaults:[bin]dtsession  >>...  >  >Sorry, that should have been  > 0 >$ run cde$system_defaults:[bin]CDE$RESTARTLOGIN  H This would be grand if it worked!  It tends to black the root window andH present the login dialog box.  However, once one enters the username andG password, the screen is cleared and eventually presented with the login  dialog box ad infinitum.   --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.  --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 13:04:47 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk" Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?) Message-ID: <c8nj5f$phh$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   x In article <Tg4THFxrP1uz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes:X >In article <2h6usbF9geo5U1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: >>  K >> Basic question here, which I've been meaning to ask since this question  	 >> arose.  >>  L >> Doesn't Windows use CRLF instead of LF line terminators? Apache does run @ >> on Windows too, even though it might not be mainstream there. >>   > I >That's not the real problem. The problem is that neither Windows or Unix J >filesystems have files with filesystem internal data within them; unlike,N >for example, RMS files in variable length record format, which contain record  >length information within them. > N >This means, for example, that when you ask the filesystem how long is a file,M >and you get a reply of 1234 bytes, you don't know how much of this length is O >user data and how much is internal RMS data, unless you use a file format that 3 >doesn't have internal RMS data, such as Stream-LF.  > N Exactly why should any webserver including Apache really care about how long a file really is ?K I believe IMAP and possibly SAMBA have requirements to be able to tell the  K clients how large files are but they are perfectly happy with a best guess. G Other webservers (including CSWS 1.3) are able to deal with this issue. M Indeed with CGI generated data the webserver doesn't know how much data there 7 is until it has finished generating and tansmitting it.   M >Unless the Apache port is explictly looking for Stream-LF format files, then M >Stream format files should also work. Does anyone know if they actually do ?  > @ I believe it is just looking for stream-LF but I could be wrong.  L If it is just looking for stream-lf and this philosophy of just catering forN the filetypes of the system where the code was first developed spread then youL could end up with a future where all the files you want to webserve must be D stream-lf but any you also want to access via a program developed on6 windows (including pathworks) would have to be stream.  1 (Is windows actually stream or is it stream-cr ?)       
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >Simon.  >  >-- C >Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP        Q >SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:47:39 -0400 ' From: Glenn Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> " Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?3 Message-ID: <40af8437$0$3119$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>   > As I recall, one of the new fields ODS5 added to VMS files was? an estimated size. The intent of this was to provide, on a best = effort basis, an indication how much file data was in a file, @ excluding things like record bytecounts. This kind of thing gets: REALLY hard for ISAM and so it was not intended to be 100%> rock solid guaranteed, but rather something that would be goodC enough to work in most cases and darn it you shouldn't need to know $ for some of the odd formats anyhow).  < I don't recall the field name, but it is what I would expect< the likes of Samba, Apache, IMAP, and others might best use.   Glenn Everhart   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: z > In article <Tg4THFxrP1uz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: > Y >>In article <2h6usbF9geo5U1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  >>K >>>Basic question here, which I've been meaning to ask since this question  	 >>>arose.  >>> L >>>Doesn't Windows use CRLF instead of LF line terminators? Apache does run @ >>>on Windows too, even though it might not be mainstream there. >>>  >>J >>That's not the real problem. The problem is that neither Windows or UnixK >>filesystems have files with filesystem internal data within them; unlike, O >>for example, RMS files in variable length record format, which contain record ! >>length information within them.  >>O >>This means, for example, that when you ask the filesystem how long is a file, N >>and you get a reply of 1234 bytes, you don't know how much of this length isP >>user data and how much is internal RMS data, unless you use a file format that4 >>doesn't have internal RMS data, such as Stream-LF. >> > P > Exactly why should any webserver including Apache really care about how long a > file really is ?M > I believe IMAP and possibly SAMBA have requirements to be able to tell the  M > clients how large files are but they are perfectly happy with a best guess. I > Other webservers (including CSWS 1.3) are able to deal with this issue. O > Indeed with CGI generated data the webserver doesn't know how much data there 9 > is until it has finished generating and tansmitting it.  >  > N >>Unless the Apache port is explictly looking for Stream-LF format files, thenN >>Stream format files should also work. Does anyone know if they actually do ? >> > B > I believe it is just looking for stream-LF but I could be wrong. > N > If it is just looking for stream-lf and this philosophy of just catering forP > the filetypes of the system where the code was first developed spread then youN > could end up with a future where all the files you want to webserve must be F > stream-lf but any you also want to access via a program developed on8 > windows (including pathworks) would have to be stream. > 3 > (Is windows actually stream or is it stream-cr ?)  >  >  >  > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  >>Simon. >> >>--  D >>Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       R >>SCO: Proudly pushing Microsoft down to #2 on the list of most disliked companies   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2004 07:21:13 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>  Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-chEpJS0LKRbe@dave2_os2.home.ours>   / On Fri, 21 May 2004 15:42:55 UTC, Steve Lionel   <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> wrote:   9 > I was the project leader for VAXELN Ada for five years.   A That must make for some interesting discussions. Fortran v Ada v  + Pascal, or maybe its been done to death :-)    --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2004 07:21:15 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>  Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-flbpUMX387TW@dave2_os2.home.ours>   / On Fri, 21 May 2004 17:49:19 UTC, Steve Lionel   <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> wrote:   M > My personal view is that Cutler does not deserve all the credit he is given M > for VMS.  I consider the contributions of visionaries such as Tom Hastings, I > Dick Hustvedt, Peter Conklin and others to be of at least equal, if not M > greater importance. They're the ones who kept an eye on the future and made P > sure that VMS had the architectural foundation it needed to succed in the longO > term. Otherwise, it would be just a 32-bit RSX. Consider the "common language M > environment", something pretty much unheard of back in 1977 (or since then, N > for that matter.)  VMS is one of the few significant operating systems whereO > there is a (mostly) level playing field for programming languages, and common I > calling conventions. Tom Hastings deserves most of the credit for that.   F I obviously don't know who did what but I've always had the impressionF that the VMS calling standard was closely related to RSX-11M's, where E R5 was used as the argument pointer. In VMS/VAX this became AP, ( or  F really R12) and grew a FP to simplify unwinding. DOS/RT11, IIRC, also " used R5 but in a less elegant way.   P > I don't want to minimize Cutler's contributions - they were significant. But II > don't feel he quite deserves the "Father of VMS" label that is so often  > applied to him.   D My exposure to the pdp-8 and pdp-11 (operating systems) has left my F knowldge of the other DEC architectures (h/w and s/w) wanting but whenE first exposed to VAX/VMS I had the feeling that the CPU had taken on  D abilities that had been macros in RSX. Perhaps one _could_ argue it C was a 32-bit RSX. A user, perhaps not programmer, of DCL on RSX11M  D could have grown that perception when working at a VMS DCL prompt.. + Maybe that's where the 'legend' grows from.    6 I'm sure it all looked very different from the inside.   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 09:30:26 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)  Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS$ Message-ID: <c8n6ji$52d$1@online.de>  E In article <bbesa01ttpo0a04mhesd0gg8aan5e1gfuf@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel ! <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes:    O > >That article alludes to the fact that Cutler left Digital at VMS 5.0, making L > >it look to the microsoft weenies that Cutler was still involved with VMS. > M > My personal view is that Cutler does not deserve all the credit he is given M > for VMS.  I consider the contributions of visionaries such as Tom Hastings, I > Dick Hustvedt, Peter Conklin and others to be of at least equal, if not M > greater importance. They're the ones who kept an eye on the future and made P > sure that VMS had the architectural foundation it needed to succed in the longO > term. Otherwise, it would be just a 32-bit RSX. Consider the "common language M > environment", something pretty much unheard of back in 1977 (or since then, N > for that matter.)  VMS is one of the few significant operating systems whereO > there is a (mostly) level playing field for programming languages, and common I > calling conventions. Tom Hastings deserves most of the credit for that.   E Probably the fact that Hustvedt had a serious accident led to people  B hearing less about him than, say, Cutler.  If he had been able to 6 continue, he would probably be much more famous today.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 06:11:18 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>  Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS2 Message-ID: <EL-dncTunK28ujLdRVn-gw@metrocast.net>  L "Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply" <helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de>/ wrote in message news:c8n6ji$52d$1@online.de... G > In article <bbesa01ttpo0a04mhesd0gg8aan5e1gfuf@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel " > <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes: > J > > >That article alludes to the fact that Cutler left Digital at VMS 5.0, makingI > > >it look to the microsoft weenies that Cutler was still involved with  VMS. > > I > > My personal view is that Cutler does not deserve all the credit he is  given E > > for VMS.  I consider the contributions of visionaries such as Tom 	 Hastings, K > > Dick Hustvedt, Peter Conklin and others to be of at least equal, if not J > > greater importance. They're the ones who kept an eye on the future and madeI > > sure that VMS had the architectural foundation it needed to succed in  the longH > > term. Otherwise, it would be just a 32-bit RSX. Consider the "common languageI > > environment", something pretty much unheard of back in 1977 (or since  then, J > > for that matter.)  VMS is one of the few significant operating systems where J > > there is a (mostly) level playing field for programming languages, and commonK > > calling conventions. Tom Hastings deserves most of the credit for that.  > F > Probably the fact that Hustvedt had a serious accident led to peopleC > hearing less about him than, say, Cutler.  If he had been able to 8 > continue, he would probably be much more famous today.  I In VMS circles, anyway.  But in large part likely because Cutler left the L kernel work and his managerial post not long after VMS V1:  people who leaveK early tend to get eclipsed over time by those who stick around for the long  term.   @ While many people made many important and in some cases criticalF contributions to VMS as a *system*, my recollection is that the VMS V1G kernel was Cutler's - period:  not all his personal code (though he did H write a great deal of it), but definitely his personal fiefdom (i.e., heF drove the design, with important contributions from others, and as itsF technical lead and manager made the implementation happen).  Since theK common language environment had little to do with the kernel, the very real B contributions that Tom Hastings made there aren't relevant to thatI assertion.  Dick Hustvedt was Cutler's technical equal, possibly even his K superior in some respects (though I don't think that anyone could churn out H good code at the rate that Dave could), but while he contributed a greatL deal in many areas he simply was not as pivotal, nor was Conklin, nor anyone else.   F But I was only an onlooker from RSX/RMS land.  There are VMS V1 kernelI people still around today (like Andy) who are in a far better position to  comment upon such things.    - bill   ------------------------------    Date: 22 May 2004 05:59:07 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)   Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS3 Message-ID: <kfWBKaAoiodL@eisner.encompasserve.org>   w In article <c8n6ji$52d$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: G > In article <bbesa01ttpo0a04mhesd0gg8aan5e1gfuf@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel # > <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> writes:   > P >> >That article alludes to the fact that Cutler left Digital at VMS 5.0, makingM >> >it look to the microsoft weenies that Cutler was still involved with VMS.  >>  N >> My personal view is that Cutler does not deserve all the credit he is givenN >> for VMS.  I consider the contributions of visionaries such as Tom Hastings,J >> Dick Hustvedt, Peter Conklin and others to be of at least equal, if notN >> greater importance. They're the ones who kept an eye on the future and madeQ >> sure that VMS had the architectural foundation it needed to succed in the long P >> term. Otherwise, it would be just a 32-bit RSX. Consider the "common languageN >> environment", something pretty much unheard of back in 1977 (or since then,O >> for that matter.)  VMS is one of the few significant operating systems where P >> there is a (mostly) level playing field for programming languages, and commonJ >> calling conventions. Tom Hastings deserves most of the credit for that. > G > Probably the fact that Hustvedt had a serious accident led to people  D > hearing less about him than, say, Cutler.  If he had been able to 8 > continue, he would probably be much more famous today.  E Dick Hustvedt was certainly more prominent at US DECUS Symposia about 4 1980 or so -- David Cutler was a name I never heard.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 12:45:00 GMT 2 From: Bob Willard <BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS, Message-ID: <gXHrc.22492$zw.16951@attbi_s01>   Steve Lionel wrote:   N > Cutler left VMS in 1980 before version 2.0 was released, and was not further' > involved with the VMS OS development.  >  > Steve   E While not part of the VMS group after ~1980, Dave did have some later = and substantial influence on VMS when he was running DEC-West  (ZSO, a/k/a DecWet).  J When some of us were campaigning to get VMS to support SMP instead of AMP,J Dick H. was adamantly opposed.  Dave took a (huge) pile of VMS listings toI his office in ZSO, marked them up with changes needed to support SMP, and H had them delivered to ZKO to prove that SMP was feasible with VMS.  I doL not know how much of Dave's changes were actually incorporated into VMS, butI the SMP version of VMS was extremely valuable to DEC and, IMHO, would not D have happened (or not in time for the VAX 6K) without Dave's effort.  F More opinion:  in the Hustvedt-dominated environment of the early-80'sG VMS group, it was not fashionable to give credit to Cutler or, in fact, K to any non-VMS person for contributions to VMS.  So, even if Dave's changes H to support SMP were used in toto, they may bear some initials other thanI DNC.  While Dick H. and Dave C. were both extraordinary technical people, G their deep disagreement on VMS issues was well-known and was one of the G reasons that Dave left VMS:  Dave pointed out that the Seattle area was 0 about as far as he could get from the VMS group.  I Caveat:  I was never part of the VMS group.  I was significantly involved G in the first MP VAX and the first good MP VAX; yeah, I know, those were  different VAXen. --   Cheers, Bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 06:11:15 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>   Subject: RE: Dave Cutler and VMS9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEEJPDEAA.tom@kednos.com>    Here is some datesJ FREJA> sear DISK$PLI:[VCG.STANDARD.V5.VMS.INTERFACE.DEVELOPMENT]*.* cutler   ******************************B DISK$PLI:[VCG.STANDARD.V5.VMS.INTERFACE.DEVELOPMENT]CODETBL.LIS;80  B   0000  4       /*      author: d.n.cutler & r.heinen   7-nov-1978   ******************************C DISK$PLI:[VCG.STANDARD.V5.VMS.INTERFACE.DEVELOPMENT]OPTIMIZER.LIS;1   .    23 |                 D. N. Cutler 18-Jan-806  1595 |                         D. N. Cutler 29-Oct-806  1599 |                         D. N. Cutler 18-Dec-806  1604 |                         D. N. Cutler 22-Dec-806  1609 |                         D. N. Cutler 23-Dec-806  1614 |                         D. N. Cutler 27-Jan-816  1620 |                         D. N. Cutler 11-Mar-816  1626 |                         D. N. Cutler 30-Mar-81     -----Original Message-----;   From: Bob Willard [mailto:BobwBSGS@TrashThis.comcast.net] &   Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 5:45 AM   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com "   Subject: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS       Steve Lionel wrote:   @   > Cutler left VMS in 1980 before version 2.0 was released, and   was not further )   > involved with the VMS OS development.    > 	   > Steve   G   While not part of the VMS group after ~1980, Dave did have some later ?   and substantial influence on VMS when he was running DEC-West    (ZSO, a/k/a DecWet).  L   When some of us were campaigning to get VMS to support SMP instead of AMP,L   Dick H. was adamantly opposed.  Dave took a (huge) pile of VMS listings toK   his office in ZSO, marked them up with changes needed to support SMP, and J   had them delivered to ZKO to prove that SMP was feasible with VMS.  I do@   not know how much of Dave's changes were actually incorporated   into VMS, but K   the SMP version of VMS was extremely valuable to DEC and, IMHO, would not F   have happened (or not in time for the VAX 6K) without Dave's effort.  H   More opinion:  in the Hustvedt-dominated environment of the early-80'sI   VMS group, it was not fashionable to give credit to Cutler or, in fact, >   to any non-VMS person for contributions to VMS.  So, even if   Dave's changesJ   to support SMP were used in toto, they may bear some initials other thanK   DNC.  While Dick H. and Dave C. were both extraordinary technical people, I   their deep disagreement on VMS issues was well-known and was one of the I   reasons that Dave left VMS:  Dave pointed out that the Seattle area was 2   about as far as he could get from the VMS group.  K   Caveat:  I was never part of the VMS group.  I was significantly involved I   in the first MP VAX and the first good MP VAX; yeah, I know, those were    different VAXen.   --
   Cheers, Bob      --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 17:10:14 +0000   From: Garry <fake@fakeemail.com>) Subject: Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray - Message-ID: <c8ntvi$nkq$1@news.netkonect.net>    Hans Vlems wrote: M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> ? > schreef in bericht news:c8la6e$gbe$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  >  >>Garry Taylor wrote:  >>	 >>>Hello, G >>>I'm thinking abou buying an OpenVMS machine maybe an Alpha XP1000 or F >>>something. Anyway, as both Sun and OpenVMS use CDE and X Windows, II >>>was thinking should it be possible to log into the OpenVMS machine via I >>>a Sun machine? Should I simply be able to type the OpenVMS machines IP ) >>>address into the CDE login on the Sun?  >>>  >> >>The answer is yes. >>E >>If OpenVMS supports XDMCP then the Options menu should allow you to F >>login to an OpenVMS system that will appear as one of the servers on >>the list.  >>B >>Alternatively you can manually enter its hostname or IP address. >>G >>This will give you a complete X-Windows desktop being driven from the  >>OpenVMS box. >>F >>Alternatively open a terminal window on the Solaris desktop and typeH >>telnet hostname/IP address. (I don't think this is what you are after) >>	 >>regards  >>Andrew Harrison  >>& >>>Experiences, thoughts etc. welcome. >>> 	 >>>Cheers  >>>  >>>Garry >> > C > If you use DEC's IP stack then the facility is called XDM (server 
 > component). % > Runs fine on a Reflection X server.  > Hans >  >   F Thank you for the input, it certainly sounds like it should work fine.   Thanks   Garry    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 02:53:48 +0930 * From: Mark Daniel <mark.daniel@vsm.com.au>) Subject: Re: Log into OpenVMS via Sun Ray - Message-ID: <40af8cb7@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Garry Taylor wrote:  > Hello,F > I'm thinking abou buying an OpenVMS machine maybe an Alpha XP1000 orE > something. Anyway, as both Sun and OpenVMS use CDE and X Windows, I H > was thinking should it be possible to log into the OpenVMS machine viaH > a Sun machine? Should I simply be able to type the OpenVMS machines IP( > address into the CDE login on the Sun? > % > Experiences, thoughts etc. welcome.  >  > Cheers >  > Garry   H Our site (ISRD-DSTO, not VSM) went through this exercise last year.  We D found the lack of MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 in TCP/IP Services XDM to be a H show-stopper for hosting CDE sessions in our environment.  I instigated H a discussion on c.o.v. about it.  If you Google for "wasd vms magic" it  should be the first thread hit.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 05:34:06 GMT : From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@operagost.example.com>6 Subject: Re: Puzzling LIB$SPAWN problem with DEC BASIC4 Message-ID: <iDBrc.3161$ZQ.250@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:40AECB25.5171DFCD@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > Stephen Eickhoff wrote:  > > J > > I hope someone out there with a clue can help me with this. I'm trying to do K > > something very simple - spawn a process from a BASIC program (VAX BASIC D > > 3.8). I can put together a program like this and get it to work: > 4 >  1. A. Do you ever test the value returned in "x"?) >     B. Does (x and 1) return 1 or zero? C >        1. If zero (IF NOT X), try CALLing LIB$STOP( x by value ).  > H >  2. "@GAL-EMAIL.COM" assumes that GAL-EMAIL.COM resides in the current@ >     working ("default") directory. Is this true? Are you sure?  C I got the following output when I fed the value of X into lib$stop:    000EEF37 000EEF37 = ----- above condition handler called with exception 000388F4: I %CLI-F-TRMMBX, terminal has associated mailbox - terminate image and then  SPAWN   G Well, I don't use any mailboxes in this program - at least not yet. I'm ' wondering where this mailbox came from! D What creates temporary mailboxes, other than an explicit sys$crembx?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:26:52 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> 6 Subject: Re: Puzzling LIB$SPAWN problem with DEC BASIC* Message-ID: <40AF00BC.1080300@bigpond.com>  & Stephen Eickhoff was overheard to say: > E > I got the following output when I fed the value of X into lib$stop:  >  > 000EEF37 000EEF37 ? > ----- above condition handler called with exception 000388F4: K > %CLI-F-TRMMBX, terminal has associated mailbox - terminate image and then  > SPAWN  > I > Well, I don't use any mailboxes in this program - at least not yet. I'm ) > wondering where this mailbox came from! F > What creates temporary mailboxes, other than an explicit sys$crembx?  A Is the code using SMG routines?  The "mailbox" may be a result of 
 using SMG.     Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:34:00 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: Puzzling LIB$SPAWN problem with DEC BASIC0 Message-ID: <newscache$i5u3yh$p7a$1@news.sil.at>  s In article <K1yrc.2142$No1.1723@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>, "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@operagost.example.com> writes: M >I hope someone out there with a clue can help me with this. I'm trying to do H >something very simple - spawn a process from a BASIC program (VAX BASICA >3.8). I can put together a program like this and get it to work:  > $ >10 EXTERNAL LONG FUNCTION LIB$SPAWN >20 LIB$SPAWN("@GAL-EMAIL.COM")   6 LIB$SPAWN requires the process to have a DCL included.( Do you run "RUN/DETACH yourimage.EXE" orA "RUN/DETACH/INPUT=yourimageinvoker.COM SYS$SYSTEM:LOGINOUT.EXE" ?   $ In the latter case it should work...   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:31:51 GMT : From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@operagost.example.com>6 Subject: Re: Puzzling LIB$SPAWN problem with DEC BASIC6 Message-ID: <XfLrc.3284$o97.3264@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>  : "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message$ news:40AF00BC.1080300@bigpond.com...( > Stephen Eickhoff was overheard to say: > > G > > I got the following output when I fed the value of X into lib$stop:  > >  > > 000EEF37 000EEF37 A > > ----- above condition handler called with exception 000388F4: H > > %CLI-F-TRMMBX, terminal has associated mailbox - terminate image and then	 > > SPAWN  > > K > > Well, I don't use any mailboxes in this program - at least not yet. I'm + > > wondering where this mailbox came from! H > > What creates temporary mailboxes, other than an explicit sys$crembx? > C > Is the code using SMG routines?  The "mailbox" may be a result of  > using SMG.  L Bingo! This is Galactic Trader - tons of SMG routines. Now the question is - what do I do about it?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 16:46:58 GMT : From: "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@operagost.example.com>6 Subject: Re: Puzzling LIB$SPAWN problem with DEC BASIC4 Message-ID: <6uLrc.5352$ZQ.285@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>  E "Stephen Eickhoff" <operagost@operagost.example.com> wrote in message 0 news:XfLrc.3284$o97.3264@nwrddc01.gnilink.net... > < > "David B Sneddon" <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> wrote in message& > news:40AF00BC.1080300@bigpond.com...* > > Stephen Eickhoff was overheard to say: > > > I > > > I got the following output when I fed the value of X into lib$stop:  > > >  > > > 000EEF37 000EEF37 C > > > ----- above condition handler called with exception 000388F4: J > > > %CLI-F-TRMMBX, terminal has associated mailbox - terminate image and > then > > > SPAWN  > > > I > > > Well, I don't use any mailboxes in this program - at least not yet.  I'm - > > > wondering where this mailbox came from! J > > > What creates temporary mailboxes, other than an explicit sys$crembx? > > E > > Is the code using SMG routines?  The "mailbox" may be a result of  > > using SMG. > I > Bingo! This is Galactic Trader - tons of SMG routines. Now the question  is - > what do I do about it?  I I get to answer my own question! Question 9544 on the OpenVMS Wizard says L that using the null device "NL:" for command input will avoid the problem. I; don't need any command input, so I put in NL: and it works.    Thanks everyone!   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:18:45 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: Vaxstation 3100 and graphics card@ Message-ID: <470bb0324091eb87da863cf99e339156@news.teranews.com>  J So, I finally installed a WS01X (SPX) graphics card in my microvax 3100-30   Alas, no success.    A test 50 shows:   ?? SPGFX       0001.2112  V1.3?           00FFFF04 00000000 39B00014 00000002 00000000 00000000   E I know that the ?? means trouble. But what can I tell from the rest ?   ' a TEST 4 yiels an error code of 84 FAIL   A test 80 doesn't complain (but I have to use break key to end it).   L Now, this is all from the serial console. I built my own adaptor from the 15L pin vax monitor plug to the 15 pin d-sub VGA plug. However, all of the aboveI happen even if the adaptor is not connected. The monitor does not see any : video signal (it worked fine with the monochrome output).     
 Questions;K How do I find documenmtation on the above error codes and byte displays for M that device ? Shouldn't HP make all VAX technical documentation available for - download now that they are retired products ?   H Are there any dip/jumpers that need to be changed on the VAX motherboardM before adding the WS01X board ? Or does one just add the board, and power the / unit back on and it should magically all work ?   G If there is no monotor connected, should the varous tests still succeed  without any complaints ?   ------------------------------   Date: 22 May 2004 07:21:16 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>G Subject: Re: VCG, the VAX Code Generator (was: Re: Dave Cutler and VMS) ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-qJte2wTCZzyO@dave2_os2.home.ours>   F On Fri, 21 May 2004 18:21:02 UTC, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:   > H >   VCG remains in use within most current/recent OpenVMS VAX compilers. > G >   OpenVMS Alpha and OpenVMS I64 compilers will typically use the GEM    >   code generator, and not VCG.  , So his presence is still felt in VAX/VMS :-)   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:19:28 GMT / From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@spyderbyte.com> / Subject: Re: VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI-V0600.DCX_AXPEXE = Message-ID: <QjJrc.60328$jU.3871831@twister.southeast.rr.com>   C "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> wrote in message + news:newscache$r0d0yh$q2c1$1@news.sil.at... F > In article <c8f42l$7jg$1@online.de>, helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de2 (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes:E > >I signed up for the patch notification at OpenVMS.org; would it be J > >possible to include layered products in the announcements?  (I see, forF > >example, that there are new C and C++ patches for ALPHA available.) > K > Sigh. Iff the patch notification would reliably work, then I would second = > the request. But currently I want it to simply work only...   H What do you mean by "If the patch notification would reliably work"?  Is8 something wrong on my end or are you talking about ITRC?  C Someone asked earlier if additional notifications could be added to ) alerts@openvms.org.  I'm working on that.    Ken   5 ----------------------------------------------------- " Kenneth R. Farmer <>< 336-736-73766 kfarmer@spyderbyte.com or kfarmer@[pick_a_domain_name]; ----------------------------------------------------------- 7 SpyderByte Technical Portals: http://www.SpyderByte.com : OpenVMS: http://www.OpenVMS.org  |  http://dcl.OpenVMS.org< UNIX: http://www.Tru64.org  |  http://www.EnterpriseUNIX.orgA Linux: http://www.LinuxHPC.org  |  http://www.EnterpriseLinux.org C Hosted: http://www.Insight64.com  |  http://www.ShannonKnowsHPC.com ; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:48:48 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI-V0600.DCX_AXPEXE 0 Message-ID: <newscache$4ae4yh$c6g$1@news.sil.at>  o In article <QjJrc.60328$jU.3871831@twister.southeast.rr.com>, "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@spyderbyte.com> writes: I >What do you mean by "If the patch notification would reliably work"?  Is 9 >something wrong on my end or are you talking about ITRC?   1 Sorry to offend you but I was talking about ITRC.   C Currently I don't rely on ITRC notifications because (I get my most 3 private ones and) I check the FTP (almost) daily...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 09:07:44 -0400 ( From: "Wayne" <bruzeks@atcomcastdot.net>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised0 Message-ID: <woSdnWJlJMkxzTLdRVn-hA@comcast.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message: news:15a0d6b06e8f57d31be237246a09d831@news.teranews.com... > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:K > > Truth be told, if hp would allow OpenVMS to "be all that it can be" (to J > > paraphrase the Army ads - even the military embraces what VMS denies),F > > the VMS business could easily eclipse all of hp's other businessesG > > combined. Too bad hp is not smart - they could embrace VMS and sell ( > > their pc/printer businesses to Dell. > J > I am not sure VMS would eclipse everything else. But it would definitely growL > and generate healthy profits. Remember however that HP would need to lowerH > profit margins on VMS products at the low end in order to allow growth (but# > keep margins for larger systems).  > 8 > And no, HP need not sell its toner/ink/paper business.  G I'm not sure that advertising is the most direct route to VMS growth. I J think that VMS growth would be better served if HP would pressure ISVs whoK offer products on HP's other platforms (Windows, HPUX, Linux) to fully port L them to VMS also. My boss doesn't care if VMS is advertised. He simply tellsL me to find a platform to support PeopleSoft - I can't put it on VMS. I can'tI even put the Oracle server for PeopleSoft on VMS.  He tells me he needs a L collaboration suite. Oracle's doesn't run on VMS.  I can't even put Oracle'sK Collaboration Suite back end db server on VMS because VMS Oracle 9i doesn't @ support UltraSearch which is required. I don't think that eitherI PeopleSoft's CEO or Larry Ellison need to see an ad in WSJ to learn about J VMS. I think HP needs to let them know that if they want to put their appsL on other HP platforms, they had best start including VMS too. I think HP hasJ the weight to leverage substantial pressure to that end. Give me something6 to work with, and I'll do my own advertising in-house.  L Oh - yeah. By-the-way, it wouldn't hurt if I could include VMS in our activeI directory structure too. While promoting VMS in-house, I'm simultaneously I taking it out of our Windows domain because I find out it doesn't play in H Active Directory.  So much for all the NT affinity stuff I fed everyone.  
 grrrrrrrrr...    Wayne    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 13:29:16 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised) Message-ID: <c8nkjc$pnj$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   [ In article <woSdnWJlJMkxzTLdRVn-hA@comcast.com>, "Wayne" <bruzeks@atcomcastdot.net> writes:  > ; >"JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message ; >news:15a0d6b06e8f57d31be237246a09d831@news.teranews.com...  >> "David J. Dachtera" wrote: L >> > Truth be told, if hp would allow OpenVMS to "be all that it can be" (toK >> > paraphrase the Army ads - even the military embraces what VMS denies), G >> > the VMS business could easily eclipse all of hp's other businesses H >> > combined. Too bad hp is not smart - they could embrace VMS and sell) >> > their pc/printer businesses to Dell.  >>K >> I am not sure VMS would eclipse everything else. But it would definitely  >grow M >> and generate healthy profits. Remember however that HP would need to lower I >> profit margins on VMS products at the low end in order to allow growth  >(but $ >> keep margins for larger systems). >>9 >> And no, HP need not sell its toner/ink/paper business.  > H >I'm not sure that advertising is the most direct route to VMS growth. IK >think that VMS growth would be better served if HP would pressure ISVs who L >offer products on HP's other platforms (Windows, HPUX, Linux) to fully portM >them to VMS also. My boss doesn't care if VMS is advertised. He simply tells M >me to find a platform to support PeopleSoft - I can't put it on VMS. I can't J >even put the Oracle server for PeopleSoft on VMS.  He tells me he needs aM >collaboration suite. Oracle's doesn't run on VMS.  I can't even put Oracle's L >Collaboration Suite back end db server on VMS because VMS Oracle 9i doesn'tA >support UltraSearch which is required. I don't think that either J >PeopleSoft's CEO or Larry Ellison need to see an ad in WSJ to learn aboutK >VMS. I think HP needs to let them know that if they want to put their apps M >on other HP platforms, they had best start including VMS too. I think HP has K >the weight to leverage substantial pressure to that end. Give me something 7 >to work with, and I'll do my own advertising in-house.  > L Yes HP needs to be talking to the ISVs. It needs to reverse all the negativeB messages sent out during the Digital/Compaq days which ranged from  % "The future is NT - forget about VMS"  toJ "Forget about database applications on VMS - VMS will just be the backend  database server"  @ That latter had a huge negative impact on database sales on VMS.  
 David Webb VMS and unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University          M >Oh - yeah. By-the-way, it wouldn't hurt if I could include VMS in our active J >directory structure too. While promoting VMS in-house, I'm simultaneouslyJ >taking it out of our Windows domain because I find out it doesn't play inI >Active Directory.  So much for all the NT affinity stuff I fed everyone.  >  >grrrrrrrrr... >  >Wayne >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 07:43:51 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: [OpenVMS VAX V7.3] OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE ?0 Message-ID: <newscache$xlu3yh$n8a$1@news.sil.at>  ? I just found in my SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM the following lines again:   N $       IF node .EQS. "MECHTA"  !OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE doesn't work, sad isn't it $       THEN$ $           DEFINE SYS$COMMAND OPA0: $           REPLY/ENABLE $           REPLY/LOG  $           REPLY/DISABLE   $           DEASSIGN SYS$COMMAND
 $       ENDIF   I Before starting to find out if things got better (btw OPC$LOGFILE_CLASSES = _are_ honored) I ask here. Do you have similiar experiences ?    TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 10:10:11 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>4 Subject: Re: [OpenVMS VAX V7.3] OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE ?* Message-ID: <2h8g75Fa6gmjU1@uni-berlin.de>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:A > I just found in my SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM the following lines again:  > P > $       IF node .EQS. "MECHTA"  !OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE doesn't work, sad isn't it > $       THEN& > $           DEFINE SYS$COMMAND OPA0: > $           REPLY/ENABLE > $           REPLY/LOG  > $           REPLY/DISABLE " > $           DEASSIGN SYS$COMMAND > $       ENDIF  > K > Before starting to find out if things got better (btw OPC$LOGFILE_CLASSES ? > _are_ honored) I ask here. Do you have similiar experiences ?  >    Are you hitting this?   (  From SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE (Alpha V7.3-1)  & ! By default, the operator states are: $!< $! For all systems except workstations in a OpenVMS Cluster: $!) $!      OPA0: is enabled for all classes. H $!      The log file SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG is opened for all classes. $!) $! For workstations in a OpenVMS Cluster:  $!     ^^^^^^^^^^^^  $! $!      OPA0: is not enabled.* $!      No log file is opened. $!B $!      * OPA0: will be also be SET TERMINAL/PERMANENT/NOBROADCAST $!H $! To override the default enabled classes, define the following /SYSTEM $! logical names.  $!  H And I know I've managed to get caught out in the past by forgetting the  /SYSTEM qualifier...   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 14:34:28 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)4 Subject: Re: [OpenVMS VAX V7.3] OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE ?0 Message-ID: <newscache$8md4yh$xqf$1@news.sil.at>  W In article <2h8g75Fa6gmjU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes: ! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: B >> I just found in my SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM the following lines again: >>  Q >> $       IF node .EQS. "MECHTA"  !OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE doesn't work, sad isn't it  >> $       THEN ' >> $           DEFINE SYS$COMMAND OPA0:  >> $           REPLY/ENABLE  >> $           REPLY/LOG >> $           REPLY/DISABLE# >> $           DEASSIGN SYS$COMMAND  >> $       ENDIF >>  L >> Before starting to find out if things got better (btw OPC$LOGFILE_CLASSES@ >> _are_ honored) I ask here. Do you have similiar experiences ? >  >Are you hitting this? > ) > From SYLOGICALS.TEMPLATE (Alpha V7.3-1)   . Remember, we're talking about OpenVMS VAX V7.3  ' >! By default, the operator states are:  >$! = >$! For all systems except workstations in a OpenVMS Cluster:  >$! * >$!      OPA0: is enabled for all classes.I >$!      The log file SYS$MANAGER:OPERATOR.LOG is opened for all classes.  >$! * >$! For workstations in a OpenVMS Cluster: >$!     ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >$!  >$!      OPA0: is not enabled.*  >$!      No log file is opened.  >$! C >$!      * OPA0: will be also be SET TERMINAL/PERMANENT/NOBROADCAST  >$! I >$! To override the default enabled classes, define the following /SYSTEM  >$! logical names. >$!  > I >And I know I've managed to get caught out in the past by forgetting the   >/SYSTEM qualifier...   J No, as I wrote, OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE doesn't work here, though it is definedC in SYLOGICALS.COM (and indeed MECHTA is a VAXstation in a cluster).     $ sh log/full OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE:    "OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE" [exec] = "TRUE" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.283 ************************