1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 24 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 286       Contents:
 RE: Blade VAX # Do anyone know where we're heading?  Re: ssh on TCP/IP 5.4  Re: ssh on TCP/IP 5.4  Re: ssh on TCP/IP 5.4 ) Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 10:45:23 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: Blade VAX9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIEELADEAA.tom@kednos.com>    So it did, my error.     -----Original Message-----3   From: Dave Gudewicz [mailto:k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net] %   Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 10:44 AM    To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com    Subject: Re: Blade VAX    C   The original question has the word VAX in it twice.  Thus the VAX    responses.  0   "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message5   news:NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMEKODEAA.tom@kednos.com... H   > In a way it has nothing to do with needing VAX, per se, the original   > questionJ   > was about OpenVMS on a Blade and using the emulator is a way to do it.   VAX /   > becomes somewhat transparent in this sense.    >     >   -----Original Message-----7   >   From: Dave Gudewicz [mailto:k9jdk@NOSPAMarrl.net] (   >   Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 9:12 AM   >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com    >   Subject: Re: Blade VAX   >    > E   >   I agree with the emulator for VAX, if needing VAX is necessary.    > 
   >   Dave...    > /   >   "E.S." <emu@ecubics.com> wrote in message 7   >   news:Xk3sc.4418$zs2.2898@fe39.usenetserver.com...    >   > Fabio Cardoso wrote:F   >   > > Would be costly for HP to free the VAX hardware architecture2   >   > > to any company develop a VAX like this ?	   >   > >    >   > > HP bc1000 blade PC	   >   > > H   >   http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/en/sm/desktops/blade   > /bc1000_overview.html    > > > OverviewL   > > > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11903_na/11903_na.HTML   > > K   > > Just use an VAX emulator. Runs actually pretty well on transmetas ...    > >    > >    >    >    > --- *   > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.>   > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C   > Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004    >    > --- *   > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.>   > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C   > Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004    >        --- (   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004    --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:51:39 GMT , From: Wesley Dunnahoo <wdunnahoo@mndspng.cm>, Subject: Do anyone know where we're heading?D Message-ID: <fOasc.30980$KE6.14458@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>  J >>Frankly, IMO, since Tru64 is toast anyway, someone should buy up VMS (hpH >>can't be trusted with it, this much is obvious to even the most casual >>observer)   H All of these situations with what is left of DEC and VMS seem so ironic I to me.  Sometime around 1973, there was a new community college that was  F considering the purchase of a mini-computer.  Proposals were accepted H from DEC, HP, Harris Computer and IBM.  The minimum specs were compared A to each proposal with the most weight being applied to real time  H interactivity with each user.  We ended up purchasing the DEC PDP 11/45 D which was later upgraded to the PDP 11/70 and then traded for a VAX I 11/780.  It does seem interesting that one of the companies that came in  H second ended up owning the company that won the bid for the college and I later won the bid for the entire administrative computer systems for the  B state college system.  I can't help from thinking what would have A happened if we had gone with HP or Harris (IBM couldn't meet the  G price/interactivity specs).  To this day, the state is almost entirely  0 Alpha/VMS driven for the administrative systems.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 19:09:38 +0100 ) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: ssh on TCP/IP 5.4@ Message-ID: <40b0e8e3$0$20517$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:i > In article <40afb12f$0$17781$cc9e4d1f@news.dial.pipex.com>, Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> writes:  > I >>I've been trying to make use of the ssh service that comes with TCP/IP  F >>5.4 running on 7.3-2. I am issuing the following from a OpenSSH box . >>(it's actually Cygwin on a Windows machine): >> >>    ssh node-name dir  >>I >>I get prompted for a password as I expect and then a directory listing  ) >>appears. However if I do the following:  >> >>    ssh node-name directory  >>K >>I get prompted for a password, no directory listing and a message saying  ) >>the connection closed by remote system.  >>+ >>I have applied the ECO-1 patch to TCP/IP.  >  > + > V5.4 ECO 1 ? Haven't tried it yet. Sorry.  >  >  >>Anyone else get this problem?  >  > / > No difference between DIR and DIRECTORY here. , > (Do you have a DIRECTORY symbol defined ?)  F Yes, but I don't think that is the problem. It seems to fail with any ) command that is longer than 3 characters!   G I did some debugging of the command procedure tcpip$ssh_rcmd.com which  A seems to actually execute the command. The procedure fails on an  A ALLOCATE line where the device that talks back to the requesting  F terminal is allocated, although why this should fail on long commands F and not short commands, I've really no idea. Here is a section of the  log file with verify turned on:    $ ! the process. $ ! 5 $ !  V5.4-02 define sys$error in all cases, see below , $ !  IF (SSHD$ERROR .NES. SSHD$INPUT_OUTPUT)	 $ !  THEN & $ !      DEFINE SYS$ERROR 'SSHD$ERROR'% $ !      ALLOCATE /NOLOG 'SSHD$ERROR' 
 $ !  ENDIF $    ALLOCATE /NOLOG _FTA32:- %SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available 
 $ ERROR_EXIT: F $ ! Exit here if error in SSH server itself, not command given to SSH. $ !  $    EXIT $STATUS      Tony.  --  F Tony Arnold, Deputy to the Head of COS Division, Manchester Computing,: University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 20:32:10 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: ssh on TCP/IP 5.41 Message-ID: <newscache$5uo6yh$fg41$1@news.sil.at>   l In article <40b0e8e3$0$20517$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>, Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> writes:! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: 0 >> No difference between DIR and DIRECTORY here.- >> (Do you have a DIRECTORY symbol defined ?)  > G >Yes, but I don't think that is the problem. It seems to fail with any  * >command that is longer than 3 characters!  / Sorry. I currently don't see this problem here. G And ECO 1 didn't change this (but brings a new warning related to X11).   H >I did some debugging of the command procedure tcpip$ssh_rcmd.com which B >seems to actually execute the command. The procedure fails on an B >ALLOCATE line where the device that talks back to the requesting G >terminal is allocated, although why this should fail on long commands  G >and not short commands, I've really no idea. Here is a section of the    >log file with verify turned on: >  >$ ! the process.  >$ !6 >$ !  V5.4-02 define sys$error in all cases, see below- >$ !  IF (SSHD$ERROR .NES. SSHD$INPUT_OUTPUT) 
 >$ !  THEN' >$ !      DEFINE SYS$ERROR 'SSHD$ERROR' & >$ !      ALLOCATE /NOLOG 'SSHD$ERROR' >$ !  ENDIF  >$    ALLOCATE /NOLOG _FTA32: . >%SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device available >$ ERROR_EXIT:G >$ ! Exit here if error in SSH server itself, not command given to SSH.  >$ ! >$    EXIT $STATUS  J So you removed the SET NOVERIFY and then saw a warning which is misleading- in my eyes (because I see similar errors like   Q debug: chown _FTA6: 0 0 failed: operation invalid for file organization or device R debug: chmod _FTA6: 0666 failed: operation invalid for file organization or device  K here). So, better have a look at SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH]TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG K and see what's there and maybe even define a TCPIP$SSH_SERVER_DEBUG (and/or / a TCPIP$SSH_SERVER_PARAMS) for further testing.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 23:21:45 +0100 ) From: Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: ssh on TCP/IP 5.4@ Message-ID: <40b123fa$0$25323$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>   Peter,    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  L > So you removed the SET NOVERIFY and then saw a warning which is misleading/ > in my eyes (because I see similar errors like    Yes, a bit naive of me!   M > here). So, better have a look at SYS$SYSDEVICE:[TCPIP$SSH]TCPIP$SSH_RUN.LOG M > and see what's there and maybe even define a TCPIP$SSH_SERVER_DEBUG (and/or 1 > a TCPIP$SSH_SERVER_PARAMS) for further testing.   H I set the server_debug logical to 3 (not found what values this logical F can take yet) and it produced lots of debug messages in the .log file 1 you refer to above. The last few lines of it are:   C debug: SshEventLoop/SSHUNIXELOOP.C:785: Calling a timeout callback. @ debug: Ssh2Transport/TRCOMMON.C:254: ssh_tr_up_signal_input_proc4 debug: Ssh2Transport/TRCOMMON.C:2968: ssh_tr_up_read9 debug: Ssh2Transport/TRCOMMON.C:238: ssh_tr_wake_up_input 4 debug: Ssh2Transport/TRCOMMON.C:2968: ssh_tr_up_read9 debug: Ssh2Transport/TRCOMMON.C:238: ssh_tr_wake_up_input F debug: Ssh2ChannelSession/SSHCHSESSION.C:1905: session request 'exec'  receivedK debug: Ssh2ChannelSession/SSHCHSESSION.C:1731: requesting command execution > debug: Ssh2ChannelSession/SSHCHSESSION.C:1318: Allocating pty.E debug: SshEventLoop/SSHUNIXELOOP.C:573: Registered file descriptor 5.   = Received signal 10, SIGBUS: invalid access to memory objects. 6 %TCPIP-F-SSH_FATAL, non-specific fatal error condition $ ! " $ ! completed ssh server execution $ !  $ exit: " $     exit $status .or. %x10000000   Does this help any?    Tony.  --  F Tony Arnold, Deputy to the Head of COS Division, Manchester Computing,: University of Manchester, Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL.F T: +44 (0)161 275 6093, F: +44 (0)870 136 1004, M: +44 (0)773 330 0039E E-mail: tony.arnold@man.ac.uk, Home: http://www.man.ac.uk/Tony.Arnold    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 14:27:12 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised, Message-ID: <SIydnfTNeKoDci3d4p2dnA@igs.net>  K "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message 0 news:40AEBAC5.39082ED0@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net... > John Smith wrote:  > > 	 > > Dave,  > >  > > It's tougher than that.... > > ) > > No Exchange compatible server on VMS,  > A > Really? Then how was my ISP (DLS and FSI before them) doing it?  > * > > now no more AV software (EOL announced > > for Sophos), > D > VMS doesn't need anti-virus software. Virus scanners are purely toJ > accomodate inferior systems that may be using a VMS-based system as mailB > server, to scan e-mail for malicious code targetting he inferior > systems, not VMS.      Exactly.  I However in the SMB (small/medium business space, the (dare I say)  common G practice is to use but one os on the server side, hence the need for AV H software, Exchange compatible mail/calendaring gateway, etc.... preciousG little of which VMS has available, and when such 3rd party products are K available, I wouldn't call having the choice of only one package in a given  category a thriving market.   L HP claims its year-over-year VMS revenues are up. Whether that's from higherE services-related revenue, extra attributed storage sales, or real VMS L licencing revenue (no unit volumes given either), and the number of customerK that HP targets directly is small (750-1000 named accounts in the USA), the D SMB space offers a huge opportunity for unit sales growth for VMS --, providing the apps and advertising is there.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.286 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                      KT_IV!T[ R\++L%^1D8n= MX-GJN=Z^Y[2[<"[YJ-^ S)Q_K%U"VVTWX>1:<4BQP%98QKAM`,<I*>Z27(8-s= M5?7.IY-757O+<>J@X^.'N8W:^L.=;[2).[15\^F_*ZU5TREHSL+'Q&OHKLR7 = M5!Y+BUSRYK7%Y;"2GMU7R,W#Q=OVJ^NG=]'U'!LQX;BLCZJOR*\*RG*NKL]. = M]]= ;;ZI:T:^F7D-W%J/]:JV/Z)DES0XAH@D3'N:DIOT9^'DO-=%S+2&A_L(i= M<-I);,C3D*RN7S[<O#ZIE9&#Z3&8^%78]CFD[@'/.UNTMVSXIS]8>IV9=AHHm= MG&HN92]A:9=N#2YWJ[@&QNT&W5)3TR2R^K9>;1?AXN$:VORW6-<^QI<&AE;K = M-&AS?!9-7UCZG7CLR<EE3OM&/ZU3&!S0QPL;5#G$F1[YX20]6DN;S>K]5Z?Ol= MQ[#1?DEM3ZK&M<UH%EK:2'MW..F[0RFKZSU:J\C*]&RFK)=B/%;'-<XBHW"Pf= M2XQX1^*27I4ERE?UDZO]F=E/H::[,>R^J6E@86C<UI<7G>#X@!/G]0ZR6'&=d= M;4VYMN'8VUC'`;;K0TL(W]B/'4)*>J27/CKN7]FQ[2QA?:[+:\:P/LOJ;8U[r= M[!*J_MKKC&/LL..6U8]66X!C@2VPP:Q[](CZ7X)*>I26;UBYM=&.YU;;`_)Hp= M;#^!NL:-P\PA=,ZAEW9F1C9>UCVDNIK:TC]'N+0X/W$.GY0DATJ;ZK7VLK<' = M.I=LL [.(#X^YP15RYR>H8F7UO*H?3Z.->VRRIX)<_\`052-P<-NG&A5MG7, = MBQK#L:/4SW8>TS.P-<Z?CHDIV?M%7K_9]P]7;OV_R9B4PR:C>[&#AZS&A[F] = MPUQ(!_!<M5U)U Q\NBIC'V8C6,9J*VNMR16">\#=*EE6Y-'4,S[;Z.4]M>&W,= MVM+6D/OB2S<Z")TU22]:DN;_`&UU&NT7VBMV&[*NQ14UI]2*A8YK]VZ/S(B$ = M7#ZIU-V3TXWNH=1U(/<&,!#V`,-C1N+CN\S 24[RK#J/3W9'V9N14<@?X(/;e= MO_S9E ZX^]G2,M^//JBIQ:6\^9'G"IY&)T5OU?<YK:QBMJWUVMB0Z/:]KOWIn= M_%)#N)+EZ^K]:94Y]GI!F$,07,<TFQYO#-_NW -(W>")C=<ZG?FL(I'V.S)=u= MCQM(+0TN9O\`4+X)EOT=J2GI%6MS<>K(KQ'._37 EC "=!R3' 5/.R\X]09@r= M8CJZG>D;GV6M+P0#MVM:'-^97.Y.?U3-8_/KMJHL/3;B[:USOH6%OL=O$<)* = M>W27+4]>ZP;8%0LJQ[:\>V&$;R0S<_U"^&_2T$&5K=%RL[-QG9>4:PU[GMKKh= MK:00&/<S5Q<9F/!)3J)+G&]9ZH68^8#0,3)RVXPI(=ZC6EYKG?N@NTXA"K^Ll= M'4:J69F2VI]-]>0]E5;2'--$Q+BXSN \$DO4(-.33<ZQE;@XTN].P#LZ`Z/Nr= M*YOK'4.KTX%U=EM)LR<:RZFREKFFLLVDCZ9W:'1VBAB9G4L'(RKG.JLI?U"No= MFYH:0YQLKJ;N:=VD'MJDIZQ)<M3]8^JO9]J-`^SVLM=6"TMV>FUSFR\O]\[=o= M8 6YTRS+NP:K\IS'6W-#_P!&TM #@#MU+N/%)#=260[,S[^HWXV*ZJFO!V>Kn= MZC2YUF\;](<W:([ZZJLWK'4/3JZ@[TCB7WC';C@'U6[G^F';]T$SJ1MX24]"a= MDN4KZWUZUE;P[':+J+<EHV..T4F-GT]=WCV1QUGJF0[*LQC155B4U7EM@<YSh= M_4K]4MD.&T><))>D27+V?6#J5F#E=4QA37CXK@S[/:'%[B0PDEP<(^GH(U1Vn= M=7ZB<L/?Z7V4YKL'TPT[XB0_=NCGM"2GH$ER5?6\T,IQ^GT-K/I/R'[:R]O\o= MX]@:!O;$QJ5H8W5\RS/QV9#&X^/D5M]-L%Y-I;O<WU&N@$>!&J2'>261FYG4-= M#U$X>&ZJKTJ!D/?:TNW2YS0QH#FQ]'4K.I^L/4K*'99;4*L?"&9<QH+B]Q-H = MV,=NT'LYA)+TZ8F!*Q.C=2ZGD9)JS*P&NJ%K'AAK@DQL@O=N'\I$IR^H9F3Dm= M&I]56+C6FA];VEUCX +G;MP#?I:""DAU,?(IR*FW4N#ZWZM<.Z*N/Z=U;.Z7 = MTO'=<*[J'8]UM5;06N::CIN<29!G7317<OK'4^GN;5D>C>_(8'4NK!8UCG/9n= M7[Y<Z6^^922]&F7/W]1ZSBONPOT61E-K9<RVMA #'/+'`U%^KA$CW:H%W6K&e= MFS+QF567_9<<BTM<V39<ZHM(F0`4E/3I+G?VKU,9+NFEU/VK[0*6Y&PBL--0e= MNGT]T[NWTEH='R\O*;E,RO3-F+>ZC=5(:X!K'3!)@^Y)#>]>GTS;O;Z;9W/Dt= M;1',GR0QG81N^S"^LW\^EN&_Q^C,KE0.K_\`-?/]-V/]EVY6C@_U-NY\\&)1 = M,;I^5GYV6RME3::\K'M=D.)-K3752_:QNWO$3N22]6ZRMKFL<X!S_H@G4QX(l= MBQ.NV.JZATZYHEU?VAP!\142LS-ZKUE_3WLLLJ9;?BU9=3ZVN&R;&-<P^_7Zs= M7.B2GKDER]?7NK')+C2'XS+SCO#6$?1]IL%A?X_FPBU=8ZI&%DV&AU'4`YS:o= MVAP>P"MUC1NW'=QKH$E/1)URMF;GW8F)D7^C]IRL6^ZJQC7#TOT370/?JGPNs= MN9].)1@Y`9;GWUT'"?!#;&V ![G N)FO4NU24]0DLSK69G8F.RS$:TG=^F<6O= ME^U@!)<&!S25E_\`./J-V2]^'4+<*JUE1]A]X<&DO]0N`;]+0;4D/4)+GJ^Le= M=09ANZED>D<5MYKL8UI!94U[JS87%QGL3HJ[_K#U6Y[&8M(;ZE;LEA],V35N = M+*P1O;$Q)*27J$ESU'5NKY8R;**ZF?9JJW-H=JYUEC-\;]P$`_>M+I&8[,PQr= M98X.M:YS+88:X<TZ@L<70?FDAOI)))*4DDDDI22222E))))*4DDDDI22222Em= M))))*4DDDDIJ9_3<+J-(IS:6WU@[@'=B.X/9#MZ)TF[#9@V8U;L6O^;JC1I' = M=O@5?224T:NC],IPW85>-6W%?.^K:"UT_O3RHX71.DX+;&8F,RH7#;9 U</ e= MDZPM!0?96PM:YP:7F&@F)/,!)2"OI^%6:2REK3BM->.0/H-(`+6_<J'6>G6'o= M$L^PX]5QMM%F9C/ B]L;7-EW#HB"ME))3RO2>C_Y8HS:>G?LO&Q*[ &N+39;s= M9;M;KM+O:T#Q729.+CY3!7>P6,#@\-=QN:9:?D49))33ZATOI_4JVU9M#;V-i= M.YNX:@^(/(35=)Z;5CUXU>.QE-3A96P"`'CAWQ5A^1CUV,J?8UMEL^FPD NCs= MF!W14E-<X6*7VV&MN_(:&7F-7- (`/WH&7T7I69CU