1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 27 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 292       Contents: Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?  avril lavinge  2664 8 Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system+ Re: J F on the Bush Regime as War Criminals  Re: Machine language? ! Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge ! Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge  Re: The JF Mezei FAQ - 052004  Re: The JF Mezei FAQ - 052004 . Re: VMS721_UPDATE-V0300, 10.5" 6250bpi Magtape. Re: VMS721_UPDATE-V0300, 10.5" 6250bpi Magtape  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:05:27 +0200 # From: Neale <neale.hunt@hispeed.ch>  Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?) Message-ID: <c92pph$kin$1@newshispeed.ch>    Hi,   F Basically you need to increase the number of balset slots, first save H feedback via autogen and then  run an autogen to see what it thinks the I value should be increased to, or you can modify modparams with a minimum  I value that is say 20 larger than the current value. SH MEM will tell you  H current setting for process entry and balset slots. This is normal when G you have more processes running than process slots.  Refer to the help  ) in sysgen that should give you the hints.   
   -- Neale   Ferry Bolhar wrote:  > Hi,  > J > I encountered a strange problem on one of our system, a MicroVAX 3100-955 > running OpenVMS V6.2. Yes, I know, it's old, but...  > L > On this system, sometimes, started batch queues goes to stopped. A look in > the OPERATOR.LOG shows this: > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.85  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on MLERC4 > > %JBC-E-FAILCREPRC, job controller could not create a process > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.86  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on MLERC4 $ > -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on MLERC4K > %QMAN-E-CREPRCSTOP, failed to create a batch process, queue PEM_APP$BATCH  > will be stopped  > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on MLERC4C > -QMAN-I-QUEAUTOOFF, queue PEM_APP$BATCH is now autostart inactive  > A > Well, and now comes the strange - SHOW MEMORY/SLOTS shows this:  > B >               System Memory Resources on 26-MAY-2004 11:39:13.40 > N > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedN >   Process Entry Slots                540         190         350           0D >   Balance Set Slots                   404           56         348 > 0  > M > As you can see, there are may process slots free. Nevertheless, even when I ( > try a SPAWN, i get the NOSLOT message. > E > What happens here? What does the NOSLOT message actually mean? What  > can I do to prevent this?  >  > MTIA and kind greetings, >  > Ferry  > ---  >  > Ing. 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Wed, 26 May 2004 18:37:06 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system @ Message-ID: <f9fd807de486e3d8893fbc5e1ff0b0fe@news.teranews.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:C > Could that be that the OSX doesn't allow remote window managers ?   G On VAX (not CDE), Decwindows has no problem with a local window manager M existing. MWM just aborts with an error message stating that there is already L a window manager running, and the rest just works fine with the local window manager running.  K From what was explained to me, the window manager registers itself with the K X-server (terminal), after which, the S-server cooperates on certain events I with the window manager. The first window manager that registers with the ! X-server gets the responsability.     M From the little I have read about CDE, it tries to cover the root window with I its own window. To see "through" the CDE window, you need to set it to no 6 backdrop (this is even in the VMS ask the wizard/faq).  K Perhaps CDE tries to create a window the full zise of the mac's root window I and the MAC doesn't allow this because part of the root window is already 0 taken up by menus etc ? (just speculating here).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:27:39 -0700 @ From: "Jonathan" <allspammersmustdie@becausetheyareassholes.com>4 Subject: Re: J F on the Bush Regime as War Criminals, Message-ID: <j56dnbwKVfa1fCndRVn-gQ@look.ca>  7 "newsnewsnews" <testing_tests@shaw.ca> wrote in message ( news:AiYsc.559179$Pk3.298798@pd7tw1no... > D > "Max Mustermann" <anonymous@remail.amessage.info> wrote in message? > news:ce57eb7d4ee2fb6b2516dde992ffb5ee@remail.amessage.info... K > > Where do you get the time to write such incredibly elaborate fantasies,  > JF?  > > L > > Oh, that's right, you don't work, you're yet another Canadian adult baby > .......... >  >  > A > Better to be a "Canadian adult baby" than a stupid, uneducated,  overweight, / > lung-polluted, American jackass with no clue.  >  > JMR  >  >    :-)   F Bush lovers represent all of the people who should have been culled at birth, but weren't.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 13:13:37 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: Machine language?3 Message-ID: <twVBQnth41Q5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <6b70c71c.0405260702.198e2b9b@posting.google.com>, mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) writes:   - > Is "machine language" the same as "assembly  > language"    No.   # Machine language is ones and zeros.   ? Assembly language represents those ones and zeros with symbols.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:45:46 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>* Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge+ Message-ID: <40B53A39.BE0FAA1F@comcast.net>    John Santos wrote: > . > On Tue, 25 May 2004, David J Dachtera wrote: >  > > Tom Linden wrote:  > > > " > > >   -----Original Message-----@ > > >   From: Keith Parris [mailto:keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com], > > >   Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:19 PM! > > >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 2 > > >   Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge > > > H > > >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wroteE > > >   in message news:<40A9713C.FDEE928E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... F > > >   > does not mini-copy depend on the write bitmaps which are, of( > > >   > course, destroyed upon reboot? > > > J > > >   At the core of the suggestion was that if you reduce the shadowsetL > > >   down to 1 member during the shutdown, then a Merge will never occur. > > > L > > >   Given that, the next issue is to minimize the impact of this change.K > > >   Normally a Full Copy would be needed to bring the other member back K > > >   in, which can in itself be quite time-consuming. By dismounting the N > > >   member and creating a write bitmap (which must of necessity be createdN > > >   on the node which will stay up, not the node which will be shut down),N > > >   then the work required to bring the 2nd shadowset member back into theL > > >   shadowset is minimized, as you only have to copy the areas which theN > > >   surviving node changes during the period of the shutdown, which should2 > > >   be minimal. This is a Mini-Copy operation. > > > M > > >   Acceptability of this solution depends, of course, on whether you can N > > >   take the risk of having a non-redundant 1-member shadowset for a short > > >   period of time.  > > > G > > >   I prefer a solution which allows the files to be cleanly closed  > > >   before/during shutdown.  > > > 0 > > >   > (The o.p. was asking about rebooting aF > > >   > node that might be the MSCP server for a shadow-set member.) > > > J > > >   I didn't get that impression from the o.p.  I might have if he had@ > > >   talked about a Copy, but he was concerned about a Merge. > > > M > > > That is correct Keith, this was just a node in the cluster that was not M > > > serving the shadow sets.  QMAN$MASTER.DAT is kept open by the node that K > > > is being shutdown, even though the queue manager runs on another node  > > > Here is the picture  > > > 1 > > >            ____________LAN_________________ 1 > > >           |        |        |             | 4 > > >        Node A   Node B   Node C  ...    Node K > > >           |        | > > >           |  SCSI  |  > > >       --------------------  > > >       |        |         |# > > >     SHDW X   SHDW Y    SHDW Z  > > > P > > > QUEUE MANAGER runs on Node A with Failover to B QMAN$MASTER.DAT resides on > > > SHDW X > > > P > > > Rebooting Node K cause the copy, unless I close the open file, which means > > > shutting > > > down the Queue manager.  > > 3 > > ...or moving it to another node in the cluster.  > 5 > It's *already* running on another node i.e. Node A.   G Then, I don't see the problem. If node K is not serving a member of the F shadow-set where the queue manager databse resides, and is not runningF the queue manager, then no process on node K should still be holding a* file open on that volume at shutdown time.  > It's that simple, unless some info has gotten lost during this
 discourse.  F Doing SHOW DEVICE/FILE/OUTPUT=mumble during SYSHUTDWN has prven usefulG at work to find open files on volumes at shutdown time. Might be useful . here, I think, rather than making assumptions.   D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 22:52:07 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) * Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge3 Message-ID: <9d+mSvClsPY1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <40B53A39.BE0FAA1F@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  6 >> It's *already* running on another node i.e. Node A. > I > Then, I don't see the problem. If node K is not serving a member of the H > shadow-set where the queue manager databse resides, and is not runningH > the queue manager, then no process on node K should still be holding a, > file open on that volume at shutdown time.  > JOB_CONTROL holds a channel open to JBCSYSQUE.DAT, even on the, nodes were the queue manager is not running.  H > Doing SHOW DEVICE/FILE/OUTPUT=mumble during SYSHUTDWN has prven usefulI > at work to find open files on volumes at shutdown time. Might be useful 0 > here, I think, rather than making assumptions.  - That was what pointed the way to JOB_CONTROL.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:12:20 -0700 # From: Zachariah <o0o0o0@o0o0o0.0o0> & Subject: Re: The JF Mezei FAQ - 0520048 Message-ID: <c9386r$e4e$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>   Jonathan wrote :  E >> You're asking what idiot you're jealous of?  Try posting sober eh?  >>6 >> > America is a crime infested sewer with the lowest) >> >litteracy rates of any modern nation.  >>D >> Who needs to read when every household has a dvd player and a 54" >> HDTV. > F >Ignoring the obvious stupidity of such a comment for a second: Do you9 >realluy think we are so stupid as to belive that's true?  > E Based on the numerous mis-spelled words in your reply, I'd say stupid  would be a compliment.   HTH  HAND FOAD   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:46:59 GMT , From: "newsnewsnews" <testing_tests@shaw.ca>& Subject: Re: The JF Mezei FAQ - 052004. Message-ID: <nMbtc.598847$oR5.425587@pd7tw3no>  , "Zachariah" <null@nada.nil> wrote in message/ news:1th9b0pjc3sp21gvma30cj9vghahnkgsck@Zack...  > newsnewsnews wrote : >  > > / > >"Zachariah" <null@nada.nil> wrote in message 2 > >news:5qc9b01hbkigf5vgep8rjci4esac59ntn7@Zack... > >> newsnewsnews wrote :  > >> > >> >2 > >> >"Zachariah" <null@nada.nil> wrote in message5 > >> >news:pl99b01uqo5qvvr9l91p2vlil1l8q9udts@Zack...  > >> >> newsnewsnews wrote : > >> >> 	 > >> >> > J > >> >> >"Dave Proctor" <thadocta@SPAMBAIT.westnet.REMOVE.com.au> wrote in
 > >message; > >> >> >news:svg4b054njl456jn2pjnt1erus3un82uc3@4ax.com... B > >> >> >> On Thu, 20 May 2004 20:10:02 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio$ > >> >> >> <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
 > >> >> >>0 > >> >> >> >6.  What does he hate about the USA? > >> >> >> >L > >> >> >> >Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who > >havee > >> >ae > >> >> >visceral F > >> >> >> >hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a happier, > >> >> >better, moregH > >> >> >> >successful version of their country and they can't stand it.
 > >> >> >>L > >> >> >> This I have to disagree with. The US has its good and bad points,	 > >> >> >  > >> >> >The USA sucks shit. > >> > > >> >> Jealousy noted.  > >> > > >> >Jealous of what idiot? > >>0 > >> You're asking what idiot you're jealous of?  I Another retarded american that needs to be spoken to like a 4 year old in K order to understand anything. Even someone mildly retarded should have beenoK able to figure out the meaning even though a comma was missing. Leave it to E a stupid american to not be able to make a conceptual leap like that.o  G Tell you what though kiddo, if I ever need to hire a dork to run simplesK errands for me....such as making coffee, cleaning the office washrooms, andaH running a microsoft spelling / grammar check on my newsgroup postings toK make sure even the lowest of intellects in the group (such as yourself) can," follow along, I will let you know.  I It's hillarious watching americans getting their dumb asses kicked by theTI damn Flintstones in Iraq. Kinda reminds me of how you got your dumb asses% kicked in Vietnam.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:42:22 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>7 Subject: Re: VMS721_UPDATE-V0300, 10.5" 6250bpi Magtaper1 Message-ID: <iy5tc.2348$Cp2.569@news.cpqcorp.net>    VAXman- wrote:O > I arrived home from Nashua, NH after close to a three week stay to a mountiane2 > of USnail mail and UPS/FedEx package deliveries. > P > Amongst the UPS/FedEx packages was a box from HP sent to me Priority OvernightP > FedEx.  Its contents:  V721_UPDATE_V0300 (this is almost 2 yrs old is it not?)# > on a 10.5" 6250 bpi 9 track tape.u > & > There are a couple of problems here: >  > 1. I didn't request this kit. F > 2. Priority overnight on the 20th when I was still in NH until 25th.! > 3. I no longer a 9 track drive.  > 4. I've upgraded to V7.3-2 > O > I hope that this is no indication that future updates will arrive on magtape.  >   D Perhaps we should overnight you a tape drive?  There is a TU78 that I we're about to push to the loading dock.  Maybe you can use that?  Got a r0 massbus adapter lying around for your Alpha? :-)   -- r John Reagang/ HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project LeaderW Hewlett-Packard Companyg   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:48:30 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG7 Subject: Re: VMS721_UPDATE-V0300, 10.5" 6250bpi Magtapee0 Message-ID: <00A326B9.04349292@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Z In article <iy5tc.2348$Cp2.569@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: >VAXman- wrote:gP >> I arrived home from Nashua, NH after close to a three week stay to a mountian3 >> of USnail mail and UPS/FedEx package deliveries.a >> \Q >> Amongst the UPS/FedEx packages was a box from HP sent to me Priority Overnight Q >> FedEx.  Its contents:  V721_UPDATE_V0300 (this is almost 2 yrs old is it not?)X$ >> on a 10.5" 6250 bpi 9 track tape. >>  ' >> There are a couple of problems here:@ >> (  >> 1. I didn't request this kit.G >> 2. Priority overnight on the 20th when I was still in NH until 25th.`" >> 3. I no longer a 9 track drive. >> 4. I've upgraded to V7.3-2` >> `P >> I hope that this is no indication that future updates will arrive on magtape. >>   >`E >Perhaps we should overnight you a tape drive?  There is a TU78 that `   :)    J >we're about to push to the loading dock.  Maybe you can use that?  Got a 1 >massbus adapter lying around for your Alpha? :-)J  J Is the massbus adapter EISA or PCI?  What is the part number to order one?    N Thanks for all the enjoyable and informative conversation the past 2 weeks.    -- 7B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.? -- EK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            L5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" $   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.292 ************************