1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 27 May 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 293       Contents: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?  Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?  Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?  Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?  Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?  Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?  Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT? * 3rd party 15KRPM 18, 36G "bricks" for V/A?+ Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF) + Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF) + Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF) + Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF) + Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF) + Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF) + Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF) + Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF) > Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info?????> Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info?????> Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info????? Re: Bind and stuff Re: Bind and stuff Re: Bind and stuff RE: Bind and stuff Re: Bind and stuff followup H RE: Carly responds to my email about advertising!  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Yes, I know, it's old, but...   J On this system, sometimes, started batch queues goes to stopped. A look in the OPERATOR.LOG shows this:  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.85  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user JOB_CONTROL on MLERC4 < %JBC-E-FAILCREPRC, job controller could not create a process  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.86  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user JOB_CONTROL on MLERC4 " -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.87  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on MLERC4I %QMAN-E-CREPRCSTOP, failed to create a batch process, queue PEM_APP$BATCH  will be stopped   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.87  %%%%%%%%%%%( Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on MLERC4A -QMAN-I-QUEAUTOOFF, queue PEM_APP$BATCH is now autostart inactive   ? Well, and now comes the strange - SHOW MEMORY/SLOTS shows this:   @               System Memory Resources on 26-MAY-2004 11:39:13.40  L Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedL   Process Entry Slots                540         190         350           0B   Balance Set Slots                   404           56         348 0   K As you can see, there are may process slots free. Nevertheless, even when I & try a SPAWN, i get the NOSLOT message.  C What happens here? What does the NOSLOT message actually mean? What  can I do to prevent this?    MTIA and kind greetings,   Ferry  ---    Ing. Ferry Bolhar % Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:18:11 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>  Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?* Message-ID: <2hj98fFdqu6uU1@uni-berlin.de>   Ferry Bolhar wrote:  > Hi,  > J > I encountered a strange problem on one of our system, a MicroVAX 3100-955 > running OpenVMS V6.2. Yes, I know, it's old, but...  >  > [...snip...] > A > Well, and now comes the strange - SHOW MEMORY/SLOTS shows this:  > B >               System Memory Resources on 26-MAY-2004 11:39:13.40 > K > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident  Swapped G >   Process Entry Slots                540         190         350    0 G >   Balance Set Slots                  404          56         348    0  > M > As you can see, there are may process slots free. Nevertheless, even when I ( > try a SPAWN, i get the NOSLOT message.  > [...snip...]   ! How much real memory on the VAX ?   " Pool (non-paged and paged) usage ?@ Has non-paged pool expanded to its limit and no more available ? Value of SYSGEN SPTREQ ?  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:22:39 +0200 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de>  Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?* Message-ID: <2hj9fhFdm9vjU1@uni-berlin.de>   Ferry Bolhar wrote: B > I encountered a strange problem on one of our system, a MicroVAX= > 3100-95 running OpenVMS V6.2. Yes, I know, it's old, but...  > D > On this system, sometimes, started batch queues goes to stopped. A& > look in the OPERATOR.LOG shows this: > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.85  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on MLERC4 > > %JBC-E-FAILCREPRC, job controller could not create a process > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.86  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on MLERC4 $ > -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on MLERC4= > %QMAN-E-CREPRCSTOP, failed to create a batch process, queue  > PEM_APP$BATCH will be stopped  > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on MLERC4C > -QMAN-I-QUEAUTOOFF, queue PEM_APP$BATCH is now autostart inactive  > A > Well, and now comes the strange - SHOW MEMORY/SLOTS shows this:  > B >               System Memory Resources on 26-MAY-2004 11:39:13.40 > F > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident    F >   Swapped Process Entry Slots                540         190        E >   350           0 Balance Set Slots                   404            > 56         348 0 > F > As you can see, there are may process slots free. Nevertheless, even/ > when I try a SPAWN, i get the NOSLOT message.  > E > What happens here? What does the NOSLOT message actually mean? What  > can I do to prevent this?    $ HELP/MESSAGE NOSLOT     NOSLOT,  no PCB available  '   Facility:     SYSTEM, System Services   J   Explanation:  The maximum number of processes that can be created at one'                 time has been exceeded.   G   User Action:  Wait for another process to be deleted, or increase the /                 MAXPROCESSCNT system parameter.      cu,    Martin --  @   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:45:38 GMT % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>  Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?7 Message-ID: <6e8tc.24464$zn.8692@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   K Any one process can only spawn 31 sub-processes underneath it.  If you have K a process that is spawning a LOT of sub-processes in a rapid timeframe, you K can potentially have more than 31 sub-processes that are active at the time ' that it attempts to spawn the next one.   K We used to have "Auto-Sender" processes associated with the Combat Sim that K I used to run.  We would sporadiacly see these failure messages about being J unable to create a process.  We had plenty of process slots, and availableJ memory.  What we eventually got down to was that the process had to createJ more than 31 sub-processes every 2 minutes. (Cycle time of the simulator.)   Mike    5 Ferry Bolhar <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> wrote in message / news:1085565665.875489@proxy.dienste.wien.at...  > Hi,  > J > I encountered a strange problem on one of our system, a MicroVAX 3100-955 > running OpenVMS V6.2. Yes, I know, it's old, but...  > L > On this system, sometimes, started batch queues goes to stopped. A look in > the OPERATOR.LOG shows this: > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.85  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on MLERC4 > > %JBC-E-FAILCREPRC, job controller could not create a process > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.86  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on MLERC4 $ > -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on MLERC4K > %QMAN-E-CREPRCSTOP, failed to create a batch process, queue PEM_APP$BATCH  > will be stopped  > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on MLERC4C > -QMAN-I-QUEAUTOOFF, queue PEM_APP$BATCH is now autostart inactive  > A > Well, and now comes the strange - SHOW MEMORY/SLOTS shows this:  > B >               System Memory Resources on 26-MAY-2004 11:39:13.40 > B > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident Swapped B >   Process Entry Slots                540         190         350 0 D >   Balance Set Slots                   404           56         348 > 0  > K > As you can see, there are may process slots free. Nevertheless, even when  I ( > try a SPAWN, i get the NOSLOT message. > E > What happens here? What does the NOSLOT message actually mean? What  > can I do to prevent this?  >  > MTIA and kind greetings, >  > Ferry  > ---  >  > Ing. Ferry Bolhar ' > Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  > A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  > E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:45:32 GMT + From: Ryan Moore <rmoore@rmoore.dyndns.org>  Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?< Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0405261541450.29712@jaipur.local>  & On Wed, 26 May 2004, Mike Naime wrote:M > Any one process can only spawn 31 sub-processes underneath it.  If you have M > a process that is spawning a LOT of sub-processes in a rapid timeframe, you M > can potentially have more than 31 sub-processes that are active at the time ) > that it attempts to spawn the next one.   G This is not accurate.  You may have as many subprocesses in a job that   your quotas allow.   M > We used to have "Auto-Sender" processes associated with the Combat Sim that M > I used to run.  We would sporadiacly see these failure messages about being L > unable to create a process.  We had plenty of process slots, and availableL > memory.  What we eventually got down to was that the process had to createL > more than 31 sub-processes every 2 minutes. (Cycle time of the simulator.)   Sorry, no 31 limit:    $ sho proc/sub/id=23240320  G 26-MAY-2004 22:41:15.08   User: qqqqqqq          Process ID:   23240320 K                           Node: EYORE            Process name: "STARTUP150"     Soft CPU Affinity: off  % There are 123 processes in this job:       STARTUP150 (*) [122 subprocesses deleted...]   E See, 122 subprocesses for that job.  The key is having enough pooled  E quotas for everything (page file quota, BYTLM, open file, subprocess   quota, etc.)   -Ryan    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 20:12:30 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0405261912.4e8b2017@posting.google.com>   i "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> wrote in message news:<1085565665.875489@proxy.dienste.wien.at>...  > Hi,  > J > I encountered a strange problem on one of our system, a MicroVAX 3100-955 > running OpenVMS V6.2. Yes, I know, it's old, but...  > L > On this system, sometimes, started batch queues goes to stopped. A look in > the OPERATOR.LOG shows this: > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.85  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on MLERC4 > > %JBC-E-FAILCREPRC, job controller could not create a process > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.86  %%%%%%%%%%%) > Message from user JOB_CONTROL on MLERC4 $ > -SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT, no PCB available > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on MLERC4K > %QMAN-E-CREPRCSTOP, failed to create a batch process, queue PEM_APP$BATCH  > will be stopped  > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  26-MAY-2004 11:33:41.87  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user QUEUE_MANAGE on MLERC4C > -QMAN-I-QUEAUTOOFF, queue PEM_APP$BATCH is now autostart inactive  > A > Well, and now comes the strange - SHOW MEMORY/SLOTS shows this:  > B >               System Memory Resources on 26-MAY-2004 11:39:13.40 > N > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedN >   Process Entry Slots                540         190         350           0D >   Balance Set Slots                   404           56         348 > 0  > M > As you can see, there are may process slots free. Nevertheless, even when I ( > try a SPAWN, i get the NOSLOT message. > E > What happens here? What does the NOSLOT message actually mean? What  > can I do to prevent this?  >  > MTIA and kind greetings, >  > Ferry  > ---  >  > Ing. Ferry Bolhar ' > Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  > A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  > E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at   F Run AUTOGEN and see what the peak number of processes has been on your system since the last boot.   #     $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN SAVPARAMS   1 and search SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$FEEDBACK.DAT for PEAK.    Or run  -     $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN SAVPARAMS TESTFILES   ) and inspect SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT      JMHO   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:44:50 +0200 , From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> Subject: Re: %SYSTEM-F-NOSLOT?5 Message-ID: <1085651092.172144@proxy.dienste.wien.at>    "Roy Omond":  # > How much real memory on the VAX ?    256 MB  $ > Pool (non-paged and paged) usage ?   $ SHOW MEMORY/POOL/FULL   @               System Memory Resources on 27-MAY-2004 11:39:36.18  / Nonpaged Dynamic Memory      (Lists + Variable) H     Current Size (bytes)                  13277184    Current Total Size (pages)   25932 C     Initial Size (NPAGEDYN)        13277184    Initial Size (pages)  25932 J     Maximum Size (NPAGEVIR)   59009024    Maximum Size (pages)      115252J     Free Space (bytes)                     7284992    Space in Use (bytes) 5992192 L     Size of Largest Block                  6514688    Size of Smallest Block 64H     Number of Free Blocks                    4126    Free Blocks LEQU 64
 Bytes  408J     Free Blocks on Lookasides              3538    Lookaside Space (bytes) 643648   Paged Dynamic MemoryL     Current Size (PAGEDYN)     9517056    Current Total Size (pages)   18588F     Free Space (bytes)                 6166224    Space in Use (bytes) 3350832 G     Size of Largest Block             6157312    Size of Smallest Block  16K     Number of Free Blocks                  335    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytes  334   B > Has non-paged pool expanded to its limit and no more available ?   No, see above.   > Value of SYSGEN SPTREQ ?   5948.    Greetings, Ferry   --   Ing. Ferry Bolhar % Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIA  E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.at    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 03:57:56 -0700& From: rregier@dymaxion.ca (Rod Regier)3 Subject: 3rd party 15KRPM 18, 36G "bricks" for V/A? = Message-ID: <70b58be7.0405260257.167031bd@posting.google.com>   B We are looking for OpenVMS/Alpha compatible 3rd party SCSI "brick"C drive model recommendations that have 18 or 36G capacity and run at  15K RPM.  > We would like to use drives from the HP Storageworks division,; alas they only offer 15KRPM drive in a universal "flavour".   = Something like the Seagate Cheetah ST318453LC would be ideal.   E (We're looking at non-universal drives because we're configuring used E entry-level Alpha server nodes w/low-cost external storage enclosures 5 - they have no option for internal universal drives).   7 Purchasing universal drives and them disassembling them 8 (which would void the warranty) seems to be a poor idea.  A Any positive experiences, or horror stories with lessons learned?    Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 06:23:42 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF)@ Message-ID: <aef582cc37a78af8f6e2492d41466a74@news.teranews.com>   VAX VMS 7.2, DEC-C 6.0.001  $ The module ACRDEF in DECC$RTLDEF.TLB  A has in the acrdef1 structure, a binary quadword value defined as:     	unsigned int acr$q_systime [2];  ; This creates a longword value, not a quadword value on VAX.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 03:02:57 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>4 Subject: Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF)6 Message-ID: <1040526025748.32308I-100000@Ives.egh.com>  $ On Wed, 26 May 2004, JF Mezei wrote:   > VAX VMS 7.2, DEC-C 6.0.001 > & > The module ACRDEF in DECC$RTLDEF.TLB > C > has in the acrdef1 structure, a binary quadword value defined as:  > " > 	unsigned int acr$q_systime [2]; > = > This creates a longword value, not a quadword value on VAX.   ? My C is rusty, but doesn't this create an array of 2 longwords, = which may be the intention?  (They'd then have to do multiple < precision arithmetic on it if they want to do more then just; pass it to/from time-related system services, but there are  library functions for that.)  B This field is defined the same way on Alpha V7.3-1, DEC C 6.5-001,B in [VMS$COMMON.DECC$LIB.REFERENCE.SYS$STARLET_C]ACRDEF.H.  (Didn't check the .TLB...)   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:22:29 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> 4 Subject: Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF)8 Message-ID: <pbh8b01m1lqe5ij25g9ti8a615qner7sge@4ax.com>  I On Wed, 26 May 2004 06:23:42 GMT, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:   >VAX VMS 7.2, DEC-C 6.0.001  > % >The module ACRDEF in DECC$RTLDEF.TLB  > B >has in the acrdef1 structure, a binary quadword value defined as: > ! >	unsigned int acr$q_systime [2];  > < >This creates a longword value, not a quadword value on VAX.  J On every DEC C Vax compiler I can find or recall, unsigned int is 32 bits.$ What leads you to believe it is 16 ?   --  - Ask not what your computer can do for you...     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:15:33 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF)@ Message-ID: <32f9d6fc8b8d7dcd06832934e75431c2@news.teranews.com>   John Santos wrote:) > >       unsigned int acr$q_systime [2];  > > ? > > This creates a longword value, not a quadword value on VAX.  > A > My C is rusty, but doesn't this create an array of 2 longwords,  > which may be the intention?     M Nop, it creates array of 2 words. (4 bytes total). I noticed it because DEC-C L complained I was trying to pass the ACRDEF defined array to a longword array
 in a routine.   J To be pedantic, I guess a quadword should be a unsigned int systime[4]. (4! words intstead of 2 longwords :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:29:26 GMT - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 4 Subject: Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF)@ Message-ID: <d98f0f417a9088d858a4dbcc419012e2@news.teranews.com>   John Laird wrote: L > On every DEC C Vax compiler I can find or recall, unsigned int is 32 bits.& > What leads you to believe it is 16 ?  O I stand corrected. the sizeof(int) yields 4 bytes, sizeof(long) yields 4 bytes.   J However, you cannot assign an unsigned int to an unsigned long without theM compiler generating a big error message, the same message you'd get trying to  assign a long to a short.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:52:04 +0200 - From: "Martin Vorlaender" <mv@pdv-systeme.de> 4 Subject: Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF)* Message-ID: <2hj45mFcd3pnU1@uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:  > John Laird wrote: G >> On every DEC C Vax compiler I can find or recall, unsigned int is 32 - >> bits. What leads you to believe it is 16 ?  > A > I stand corrected. the sizeof(int) yields 4 bytes, sizeof(long)  > yields 4 bytes.   ( Or find it in the documentation (gasp!):  C http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/c/docs/6180p006.html#sizes_sec    ;-)    cu,    Martin --  @   OpenVMS:                | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!3    The operating system   | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de F    God runs the           |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/:    earth simulation on.   | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 07:25:55 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF)3 Message-ID: <EPgQ9DBNf$Pi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <aef582cc37a78af8f6e2492d41466a74@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > VAX VMS 7.2, DEC-C 6.0.001 > & > The module ACRDEF in DECC$RTLDEF.TLB > C > has in the acrdef1 structure, a binary quadword value defined as:  > " > 	unsigned int acr$q_systime [2]; > = > This creates a longword value, not a quadword value on VAX.     A    Unless you've #defined int or typdef'ed it, each is a longword A    (4 bytes) and an array of two of them is a quadword (8 bytes).    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 07:27:14 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 4 Subject: Re: ACCOUNTING bug ! (time value in ACRDEF)3 Message-ID: <VcLMrVx1MfDD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   p In article <32f9d6fc8b8d7dcd06832934e75431c2@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >  > O > Nop, it creates array of 2 words. (4 bytes total). I noticed it because DEC-C N > complained I was trying to pass the ACRDEF defined array to a longword array > in a routine.   A    What did you do to get sizeof(int) == sizeof(short)?  it's not     that way out of the box.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 02:08:27 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")G Subject: Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info????? 6 Message-ID: <00A32614.1FC24B31@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <c8kmdb$j6$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: + >Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  >> In article <c8iha6$30v$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  >>  - >>>Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  >>> p >>>>In article <c8f7v8$enj$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_._remove_harrison@su_n.com> writes: >>>> >>>> >>>>>David Svensson wrote: >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>  >>>>>>Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<c8dg6o$pig$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>  >>>>>>>Jan van Mastbergen wrote: >>>>>>> F >>>>>>>When OSF died a well deserved death Digital changed the name ofH >>>>>>>OSF-1 to DECUNIX quickly followed by another rebranding to Tru64. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Why was it well deserved?  >>>>>> >>>>> 7 >>>>>Because the motives for creating OSF were entirely 5 >>>>>bogus and because is set back the development of ( >>>>>UNIX to a point where NT creapt in. >>>> >>>>M >>>>As far as I could tell, the motives for creating OSF were mostly distress K >>>>at the idea that AT&T - still official proprietors of Unix - had taken  O >>>>a significant ownership position in Sun.  This made other Unix players feel Q >>>>that the playing field was no longer level, and that they had to do something 
 >>>>about it.  >>>> >>>  >>>Ahh Bogus point number 1. >>> I >>>In fact AT&T did not pass any ownership of UNIX to Sun at all, instead H >>>Sun was contracted to do a lot of the SVR4 development the results of, >>>which were all owned by AT&T and not Sun. >>   >>  N >> I leave this all in because you seem to be contradicting something I didn'tP >> say.  I said AT&T took a significant ownership position in Sun, not that AT&TQ >> gave Sun any ownership of Unix.  HP, Digital, and IBM didn't trust _AT&T_, and I >> didn't like the former referee getting in bed with one of the players.  >>   > > >Not exactly, AT&T took a 20% stake in Sun at a point where it: >would have been virtually impossible for that 20% to have! >increased to a majority holding.  > = >And all AT&T did was something that many companies including ? >HP, IBM and Digital also would have done in the same situation > >take a non controlling interest in a key development partner.  N (I was offline for some days - air travel problems - and I should probably let4 this drop, but I'm willing to go a few more rounds.)  M A 20% stake is enough that you might plausibly think the stakeholder would be J concerned with how well the company would do in a competitive marketplace.  K The difference, I think, between AT&T doing this and HP, IBM, Digital doing L it is, as I say, that this the former referee getting in bed with one of the players.   > I >> That's not a bogus motive -- you could call it misguided, but it's not 
 >> imaginary.  >>   > ? >It depends on if you beleive that the reasons for the creation @ >of OSF were the ones voiced publically by the main OSF partners8 >of whether they were simply a rather convenient excuse. >   O Actually, while those were obviously the reasons at the time, those weren't the K reasons put forward at the press conference announcing the formation of OSF D (which I attended in my guise as (*gasp*) an editor-at-large for the" now-defunct _Unix\World_ magazine.  G >>>And even if the first point had been partly true and Sun had aquired F >>>partial ownership of SVR4 there was no evidence that Sun would haveA >>>used that ownership to the dissadvantage of the other vendors.  >>   >>  # >> But that wasn't the first point.  >>   > 3 >But is was the point being made at the time by the  >OSF protagonists.  I Not in public.  They thought Sun might have undue influence over the Unix K standard and they might get stuck with having to go to System V and getting P involved with streams/sockets issues, having to support NeWS, OpenWindows, etc, M in order to officially be Unix, but they didn't think that Sun would own it.  L They just thought the owner, which also owned 20% of Sun (if you say so; I'd: remembered 10% but could be wrong) might favor Sun unduly.  D >Why, most of these vendors were also in very similar positions withH >other IP suppliers, Microsoft being a good example. However the historyE >of computing is not littered with the relics of consortia created by D >HP, IBM etc to counter the threat of having Microsoft control their >destinies.   K But that's not a parallel example.  The theory - bogus as it's proved to be G with the various preferential pricing schemes, Microsoft tax, etc - has J been that Microsoft provided a level playing field for all manufacturers. D The people who produced OSF were all under the impression that theirC companies could each add the most value to Unix, provide the _best_ C extensions, etc,  while remaining compatible with the de facto Unix E standards.  (Remember that this was while people were still under the K impression that things being  "Unix" meant that they'd interoperate easily, K allow trivial recompile-and-go code porting, etc.  So each company wants to F be in the "Unix" marketplace while providing enough special sugar thatH they'll lock the customers in after all.  This makes being in control of@ what the Unix standard _is_ is in fact a competitive advantage.)  G Companies who've bought the Microsoft Kool-Aid are competing not on the I basis of selling the best Windows, but rather on the basis of selling the D best box to run the _same_ Windows.  And Microsoft, while it has hadJ various hardware adventures (CP/M co-processors, mice, keyboards, X-boxes)D has so far not stepped up as a direct competitor in desktop PCs, norK indicated special favor for someone who is a competitor in desktop PCs, by,  say, buying 20% of their stock.   F If Microsoft started a desktop PC line, or bought 20% of Dell, I think? you'd see some industry consortia forming up pretty darn quick.    -- Alan    --  O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Paper mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 99, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, Menlo Park CA   94025 O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:13:04 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> G Subject: Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info????? 0 Message-ID: <c91jig$9gb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > In article <c8kmdb$j6$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes:  > , >>Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:  @ >>It depends on if you beleive that the reasons for the creationA >>of OSF were the ones voiced publically by the main OSF partnersT9 >>of whether they were simply a rather convenient excuse.S >> >  > Q > Actually, while those were obviously the reasons at the time, those weren't thesM > reasons put forward at the press conference announcing the formation of OSF(F > (which I attended in my guise as (*gasp*) an editor-at-large for the$ > now-defunct _Unix\World_ magazine. >  > H >>>>And even if the first point had been partly true and Sun had aquiredG >>>>partial ownership of SVR4 there was no evidence that Sun would haveIB >>>>used that ownership to the dissadvantage of the other vendors. >>>i >>>P# >>>But that wasn't the first point.h >>>  >>4 >>But is was the point being made at the time by the >>OSF protagonists.g >  > K > Not in public.  They thought Sun might have undue influence over the Unix M > standard and they might get stuck with having to go to System V and gettingoR > involved with streams/sockets issues, having to support NeWS, OpenWindows, etc, O > in order to officially be Unix, but they didn't think that Sun would own it. yN > They just thought the owner, which also owned 20% of Sun (if you say so; I'd< > remembered 10% but could be wrong) might favor Sun unduly. >   B NeWS wasn't an option at that point regretably it had already lostA to X, something that again ended up detracting from the appeal oft a UNIX desktop.D  A Ironically AT&T did actually buy someone but it wasn't Sun it wastB NCR and this barely caused a ripple in the market because although< NCR was UNIX vendor it wasn't a very sucessfull UNIX vendor. > E >>Why, most of these vendors were also in very similar positions with I >>other IP suppliers, Microsoft being a good example. However the history F >>of computing is not littered with the relics of consortia created byE >>HP, IBM etc to counter the threat of having Microsoft control theirp >>destinies. >  > M > But that's not a parallel example.  The theory - bogus as it's proved to beeI > with the various preferential pricing schemes, Microsoft tax, etc - hassL > been that Microsoft provided a level playing field for all manufacturers. F > The people who produced OSF were all under the impression that theirE > companies could each add the most value to Unix, provide the _best_ E > extensions, etc,  while remaining compatible with the de facto UnixmG > standards.  (Remember that this was while people were still under the M > impression that things being  "Unix" meant that they'd interoperate easily,eM > allow trivial recompile-and-go code porting, etc.  So each company wants totH > be in the "Unix" marketplace while providing enough special sugar thatJ > they'll lock the customers in after all.  This makes being in control ofB > what the Unix standard _is_ is in fact a competitive advantage.) >   C But the companies that produced OSF were still required to pay AT&T C license costs because OSF was never an attempt to produce a totally  clean room UNIX.  H You could argue that all OSF ended up being was a development, licensing8 and certification tax levied on top of the AT&T license.  D If you want a hypothetical scenario in the Windows space OSF was the> equivalent of redeveloping most of Windows to provide a mostlyE compatible OS that still required you to pay exactly the same license  fee to Microsoft.b  B The problem with OSF was that it never made sense, they were stillA in thrall to AT&T and simply ended up driving a wedge through theo% UNIX market that Microsoft exploited.f   Regardsw Andrew Harrisone   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:38:37 +0100tO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>hG Subject: Re: Big Blue - Caught Red Handed, stealing KGPSA HBA info?????e0 Message-ID: <c91s3e$men$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > In article <c91jig$9gb$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >   E >>But the companies that produced OSF were still required to pay AT&T E >>license costs because OSF was never an attempt to produce a totallye >>clean room UNIX. >  > P > Wasn't it?  At the introduction they made clear that they were starting with aL > fresh kernel, etc, and I'm pretty sure the words "clean room" were used.  M > [They were reasonably fresh in the computing world's minds from the Phoenixl= > BIOS.]  I suppose they might have had to license shells andPK > utilities.  I don't think the GNU stuff was complete enough at that time,X > although I could be wrong. >   D The origional kernel was the AIX one so OSF required an AT&T license5 for the kernel and also for the shells and utilities.- > J >>You could argue that all OSF ended up being was a development, licensing: >>and certification tax levied on top of the AT&T license. >> > Q > Ended up, maybe, but not started out. And I thought we were arguing motivation,e > not effects. >   E No it started out that way, by being based on AIX it was always going.  to attract the AT&T license fee.   > F >>If you want a hypothetical scenario in the Windows space OSF was the@ >>equivalent of redeveloping most of Windows to provide a mostlyG >>compatible OS that still required you to pay exactly the same licensel >>fee to Microsoft.s >>D >>The problem with OSF was that it never made sense, they were stillC >>in thrall to AT&T and simply ended up driving a wedge through the%' >>UNIX market that Microsoft exploited.  >  > O > Not convinced.  (I grant that OSF didn't work - except for producing what I'maE > told is a pretty darn good Unix -  but I see no compelling argument%M > that without OSF Unix would own the desktop.  Since hardly anybody actuallyoN > adopted OSF, what we were left with was the same welter of pseudo-compatibleK > Unixes we had before OSF, which meant a market so fragmented you couldn't M > readily do shrink-wrapped applications, Dummies books, etc.)  There wasn't  I > enough wood behind any one arrow to make it possible for shrink-wrappedt= > applications to sell via the retail channel, for one thing.a >   A There are no guarantees obviously and the non emergence of OSF isu: no guarantee that UNIX would have suceeded on the desktop.  B However in the flip side its appearance did ensure that there were5 plenty of warring incompatible UNIX OS's and Windows.a  G The fact that only of the founding members of OSF only Digital produced.B an OSF UNIX is in some ways an even bigger inditement of the wholeE thing and if anything illustrates what a charade it was at least with- respect to HP and IBM.  @ Meanwhile in the SVR4 camp you have implimentations of SVR4 with? binary compatibility between them. Solaris running on SPARC was@A for example binary compatible with SVR4 running on ICL boxes. One A ISV I worked with got pissed off with ICL for various reasons andn> simply re-hosted their apps on Solaris without making a single! change or getting a compiler out.t   RegardsW Andrew Harrisonw   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:23:41 -05001+ From: David J Dachtera <djesys@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Bind and stufft+ Message-ID: <40B3F19C.49D723E2@comcast.net>    Michael Austin wrote:  >  > Dan Allen wrote: >  > > <stuff snipped>  >  > > I > >         While all of the above is correct AD REQUIRES the underscorestL > > and you'll need to make sure all of the AD servers and clients use a DNSI > > server that supports not only underscores in names but SRV records asnK > > well. This isn't the first time an RFC isn't followed to the letter andbJ > > likely won't be the last. Running a DNS server that allows underscoresK > > doesn't break anybody's apps - it just lets AD work and also happens to I > > make lookups for the substantial number of DNS names owned by lots ofDH > > non-AD sites to lookup as well. IMNSHO the RFC's should be tweaked -I > > it's been done before when the need arose and there was no compellingM! > > technical argument otherwise.. > >  > > Dani >  > Dan, > M > the technical argument to NOT tweak it is that there are more sites that dotN > not use AD and their client apps follow the RFC as they should... Looks likeL > MS is trying to re-write yet another RFC.  If you "need" to use names with? > illegal characters, then add an alias that does not use it...1  A Better still: make the compliant name the "real" name and let theE  non-compliant name be the alias.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:02:39 +0100u* From: "Robb Edge" <Robb.Edge@savant.co.uk> Subject: Re: Bind and stuffh2 Message-ID: <1085558559.13670.0@echo.uk.clara.net>  J Just a quick reply, this problem has been passed on to HP and the engineerH involved "has been able to replicate the problem". The problem exists inJ Bind 9 as well(we have another node running 7.3-2 with TCP/IP services for OpenVMS Alpha V5.4 -ECO 1). H So i now get to put my AD upgrade off for a week or 2 till we get a fix. Thanks for the replys guys.    -- Robb
 '97 Firestorme   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:48:29 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Bind and stuff + Message-ID: <c91lkt$t32@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>h  c "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> wrote in message news:003301c4427e$654d8c30$4a3b0681@sdct.nist.gov...   ? > While all of the above is correct AD REQUIRES the underscoresWJ > and you'll need to make sure all of the AD servers and clients use a DNSG > server that supports not only underscores in names but SRV records asoB > well. IMNSHO the RFC's should be tweaked - it's been done beforeO > when the need arose and there was no compelling technical argument otherwise.t  N A lot of the stuff only applies to hostnames, so may not be relevant. RFC 2181O (published in 1997) makes it clear that the DNS is much more general than that.MD And the  standard for SRV records (RFC 2782) *requires* underscores.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:29:22 -0400s# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>a Subject: RE: Bind and stuff-: Message-ID: <002701c4432d$d6c8ce10$4a3b0681@sdct.nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Michael Austin [mailto:maustin@firstdbasource.com] z% > Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:41 PMn > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comu > Subject: Re: Bind and stuffy >  >  > Dan Allen wrote: >  > > <stuff snipped>c >  > >a> > >         While all of the above is correct AD REQUIRES the  > underscores ; > > and you'll need to make sure all of the AD servers and   > clients use a ? > > DNS server that supports not only underscores in names but   > SRV records @ > > as well. This isn't the first time an RFC isn't followed to 
 > the letter oC > > and likely won't be the last. Running a DNS server that allows eH > > underscores doesn't break anybody's apps - it just lets AD work and ? > > also happens to make lookups for the substantial number of i > DNS names F > > owned by lots of non-AD sites to lookup as well. IMNSHO the RFC's F > > should be tweaked - it's been done before when the need arose and 9 > > there was no compelling technical argument otherwise.M > >2 > > Dank >  > Dan, > @ > the technical argument to NOT tweak it is that there are more @ > sites that do not use AD and their client apps follow the RFC ; > as they should... Looks like MS is trying to re-write yetg8 > another RFC.  If you "need" to use names with illegal 7 > characters, then add an alias that does not use it...%  A 	That's not a technical argument - that's a statement of personalOF opinion seemingly tinged with bit of msphobia. Also I fail to see thatG aliases solve anything - you still have a domain name with an "illegal"UF character in the CNAME record and the aliased record.  The RFC doesn'tG have different rules for the alias vs. the canonical name and the alias C has to reference an A record for the canonical name. If there's ANYEF "need" for using the '_' character then there's a legitimate basis forG considering revising the RFC. The widespread use of AD, while perhaps a C minority of DNS traffic, is quite substantial and I believe that in:B itself (in the absence of any TECHNICAL problem) is such a reason.F Bottom line is there's no motive for MS to "try and rewrite" this RFC.F It's simply confusion on their part wrt the character set just as manyG other's have fallen into the same trap. I can probably quickly find 1/2lE dozen ISP's that will SELL you a domain name with an underscore in it D starting right here with my ISP, Verizon ;-) People other than MS/AD2 have been and continue to be bitten by this issue.   Next: DNS Dynamic Update   Danr     >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:40:44 +0100 * From: "Robb Edge" <Robb.Edge@savant.co.uk>$ Subject: Re: Bind and stuff followup3 Message-ID: <1085650844.13270.0@doris.uk.clara.net>y  $ Was a config problem on our VMS box.3 Had to make the following change to tcpip$bind.conf.   zone "SAVANT.CO.UK" in {         type master;         file "SAVANT_CO_UK.DB";n         forwarders {}; };  E seems we needed to tell it not to use forwarders for any savant.co.uki queries.J Now it works we can get the correct response from the clients, so i can go ahead and do my AD upgrade   -- Robb
 '97 Firestormi     begin 666 frown.gife= M1TE&.#EA#P`/`)$``````+V]O8RM_[V]O2'Y! $```,`+ `````/``\```(Oe= MG V9QY,"X6) QBK P?A*E$5BI76/9*:7*K:K"Y^H,CK6^-GPM>U9(T,U-@H- 	 $HP``.P``r `r ende   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:01:17 GMTi" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGQ Subject: RE: Carly responds to my email about advertising!  Yes, they will do it!b0 Message-ID: <00A32680.214F74E2@SendSpamHere.ORG>  | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB355E3B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes:
 >{...snip...}r+ >Go to www.eweek.com and click on HP ad.=20  >s6 >When's the last time you saw OpenVMS in an online ad?   Kerry,   Only ads I see are IBM.   ? It was really great seeing you again at the VMS Ambassador mtg.r   -- rB http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.g -- lK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" M   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:44:41 -0400j# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>DQ Subject: Re: Carly responds to my email about advertising!  Yes, they will do it!w, Message-ID: <_82dnS-juouBAyndRVn-uA@igs.net>  2 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> wrote in messageL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB355E3B@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...     > -----Original Message-----* > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] > Sent: May 25, 2004 11:53 AMt > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComT< > Subject: Re: Carly responds to my email about advertising! > Yes, they will do it!e >g< > Here's the next 'mention' of OpenVMS by HP in an ad (.pdf) >r; >   May 24/2004 edition of eWeek, page 47 (not exactly your6 > most high-profile  > location in the magazine). > 7 > It's virtually the same ad as before - same companiesb > mentioned - same focus: > on IA64.  Bet they were choking while they told their ad > agency to insert > the word 'OpenVMS'.T >    John,   ' Go to www.eweek.com and click on HP ad.   5 When's the last time you saw OpenVMS in an online ad?0    --------------------------------     Indeed Kerry, when?o    > http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/msg/corp/flashtoysrus.html   or  = http://welcome.hp.com/country/us/en/msg/corp/htmltoysrus.htmlh   or  ( http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/hpads/   or  3 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/hpads/demandmore/   )       Adaptive Enterprise building blocks     K       HP's latest print campaign demonstrates how the range of HP products, E technologies and solutions can help today's enterprises respond to an ! ever-changing business landscape.h          Integrity (PDF file)        Linux (PDF file)        OpenView (PDF file)S        ProLiant (PDF file)e        StorageWorks (PDF file)s         or  K       http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/hpads/demandmore/files/aeinsert.pdf   "       and on the same page see the  ?       Confessions of the world's most demanding CIOs: print adsUE       Some mention a dead server family, Alpha, but none of the abovee mention OpenVMS even once.  L       Let me hazard a guess as to just how much money HP spent internally onJ meetings about the content and message of these campaigns, the money spentK with the advertising agencies on 'creative', the money spent on production,AL and finally the money spent on the repeated purchase of advertising space onI tv, radio, print, internet, F1 cars, keychains, golf balls, t-shirts, andRG logo toilet paper - none of which mention OpenVMS. Is it $1 billion, $2t billion? more?  K       Kerry, why don't you give carly(tm) luv a call in the morning and askaJ her just how much has been spent on OpenVMS advertising (as opposed to theL odd use of the noun OpenVMS? Tell her that the customers will know precisely8 what she's trying to tell us when she says zero dollars.               begin 666 s.gif = K1TE&.#EA`0`!`(#_`/___P```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$```("1 $`.P``l `z endg   ------------------------------   Date: 26 May 2004 00:57:24 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.comrA Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system), Message-ID: <c90q1k123ts@enews1.newsguy.com>  * Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> wrote:K > You could try using XDM which is now supported. There are some files you yG > need to create/edit in sys$specific:[tcpip$xdm] to allow access, but aJ > once this is done you just need to start X on your PC with an XDM query C > to your VMS system. The setup needed is well documented and very   > straight forward.4  K > Having said this you may want to see my previous post with response from 1, > Martin Kirby on a bug to do with security.  I I was able to fake this into working with the X software on my PC, and itaJ worked great with "eXodus" on my Mac OS system, however, I don't think it H will work with Mac OS X.  At least I've not figured out a way to get theJ X-Windows that comes with Mac OS X to act as an X-Terminal (I can only getH individual apps from another system to display, not the entire desktop).   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:06:05 +0200:* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system * Message-ID: <2hiqefFdcdqoU1@uni-berlin.de>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:, > Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> wrote: > K >>You could try using XDM which is now supported. There are some files you sG >>need to create/edit in sys$specific:[tcpip$xdm] to allow access, but  J >>once this is done you just need to start X on your PC with an XDM query C >>to your VMS system. The setup needed is well documented and very - >>straight forward.d >  > K >>Having said this you may want to see my previous post with response from s, >>Martin Kirby on a bug to do with security. >  > K > I was able to fake this into working with the X software on my PC, and it L > worked great with "eXodus" on my Mac OS system, however, I don't think it J > will work with Mac OS X.  At least I've not figured out a way to get theL > X-Windows that comes with Mac OS X to act as an X-Terminal (I can only getJ > individual apps from another system to display, not the entire desktop). >   E Thanks. That describes what I am seeing here with the X11 that comes F
 with OS X.  H Slightly digressing, but relevant to creating X-windows on a Mac, using H iTerm on OS X to ssh into VMS, iTerm does an excellent emulation of the G VT numeric keypad when Numlock is on. In a DECterm windows this is not 0I the case, unfortunately. In contrast, a DECterm window does the accented uG characters on the Mac keyboard I am using perfectly, but iTerm doesn't..   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:55:58 GMT6" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGA Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another systemr0 Message-ID: <00A3267F.6306F129@SendSpamHere.ORG>  i In article <2hh5opFcl88gU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> writes:t! >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >>... G >> This would be grand if it worked!  It tends to black the root windowmB >> and present the login dialog box.  However, once one enters theH >> username and password, the screen is cleared and eventually presented* >> with the login dialog box ad infinitum. >>...E > I >I did it with an AXP 7.3-1 machine and eXcursion 7.2.177 on Windows 2000tF >Pro with no problems. Could it be that your permissions are not setup >correctly?0  H The login dialog box display which would seem to indicate no permissions issues.   F I can $ CREATE/TERMINAL and $ MCR DECW$mumble and display on my Power-, Book.  Just can't launch a full CDE session.   -- 5B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.- -- .K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMu            r5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:08:52 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGA Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another systeme0 Message-ID: <00A32681.305E10FB@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <2hiqefFdcdqoU1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:- >healyzh@aracnet.com wrote::- >> Tony Arnold <tony.arnold@man.ac.uk> wrote:s >> cL >>>You could try using XDM which is now supported. There are some files you H >>>need to create/edit in sys$specific:[tcpip$xdm] to allow access, but K >>>once this is done you just need to start X on your PC with an XDM query uD >>>to your VMS system. The setup needed is well documented and very  >>>straight forward. >> w >>  L >>>Having said this you may want to see my previous post with response from - >>>Martin Kirby on a bug to do with security.n >> w >> yL >> I was able to fake this into working with the X software on my PC, and itM >> worked great with "eXodus" on my Mac OS system, however, I don't think it  K >> will work with Mac OS X.  At least I've not figured out a way to get the2M >> X-Windows that comes with Mac OS X to act as an X-Terminal (I can only getcK >> individual apps from another system to display, not the entire desktop).5 >> c >9F >Thanks. That describes what I am seeing here with the X11 that comes  >with OS X.i >oI >Slightly digressing, but relevant to creating X-windows on a Mac, using  I >iTerm on OS X to ssh into VMS, iTerm does an excellent emulation of the bH >VT numeric keypad when Numlock is on. In a DECterm windows this is not J >the case, unfortunately. In contrast, a DECterm window does the accented H >characters on the Mac keyboard I am using perfectly, but iTerm doesn't.   Paul,e  G I have the Apple BlueTooth wireless.  Out of the box it works like a LKmG style keyboard and is laid out very much like one.  I need to xmodmap 4 H keys (the top row of the alternate keypad) to work just like the LK key- board.  G I have setup a .Xresource file which establishes XTerm default to do asWF much like a VT terminal as possible (this also established delete as a DEL 127 instead of backspace).  F If I launch a DECterm, this all works even better.  Double-click/ClickG cut and paste works like a native DECterm would (using the [alt/option] 2 in conjunction with the click to emulate the MB2).   -- nB http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.e -- sK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM-            -5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" m   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:55:48 GMTC- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>DA Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system7@ Message-ID: <27f2cbc51c54a6cf45887ad3eb39a483@news.teranews.com>  ! VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:.H > I can $ CREATE/TERMINAL and $ MCR DECW$mumble and display on my Power-. > Book.  Just can't launch a full CDE session.  0 Does CDE require ownership of the root window ?   < or does it just pop up its own windows as children of root ?  H If the MAC has onwership of the root window and CDE wants, then it would( explain why CDE can't start its desktop.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:35:50 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another systemA0 Message-ID: <newscache$qn0cyh$y3k$1@news.sil.at>  S In article <00A3267F.6306F129@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: I >The login dialog box display which would seem to indicate no permissions2 >issues. >tG >I can $ CREATE/TERMINAL and $ MCR DECW$mumble and display on my Power- - >Book.  Just can't launch a full CDE session.   A Could that be that the OSX doesn't allow remote window managers ?r   -- ' Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERt% Network and OpenVMS system specialist- E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 27 May 2004 04:49:33 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.comeA Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system<, Message-ID: <c93s0t02kod@enews1.newsguy.com>  + Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:nJ > Slightly digressing, but relevant to creating X-windows on a Mac, using J > iTerm on OS X to ssh into VMS, iTerm does an excellent emulation of the I > VT numeric keypad when Numlock is on. In a DECterm windows this is not oK > the case, unfortunately. In contrast, a DECterm window does the accented eI > characters on the Mac keyboard I am using perfectly, but iTerm doesn't.   G How well does iTerm handle displaying things though?  If it's the one IwL think it is, while it handled the keyboard quite well, the display was total mess.n  F I've resorted to changing the .modmap for X-Windows and using an xtermL (Apple really messed up the xterm, as you can't remap keys for just a single xterm).t   			Zanet   ------------------------------   Date: 27 May 2004 04:54:34 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com>A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another systeme, Message-ID: <c93saa12kod@enews1.newsguy.com>   VAXman- wrote:I > I have the Apple BlueTooth wireless.  Out of the box it works like a LKiI > style keyboard and is laid out very much like one.  I need to xmodmap 4rJ > keys (the top row of the alternate keypad) to work just like the LK key- > board.  I > I have setup a .Xresource file which establishes XTerm default to do asxH > much like a VT terminal as possible (this also established delete as a  > DEL 127 instead of backspace).  H > If I launch a DECterm, this all works even better.  Double-click/ClickI > cut and paste works like a native DECterm would (using the [alt/option]e4 > in conjunction with the click to emulate the MB2).  K I'm using my aging ADB Apple Extended Keyboard II via a USB converter on mynF G5, and I had to change a total of 5 key mappings.  I'm not sure aboutH DECterm though, I seem to remember having either a keymapping or display problem with it.   		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2004 01:27:25 -0700. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another systemo< Message-ID: <224291b.0405270027.64bbfcc3@posting.google.com>  n peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<newscache$qn0cyh$y3k$1@news.sil.at>...U > In article <00A3267F.6306F129@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:lK > >The login dialog box display which would seem to indicate no permissionsa
 > >issues. > >sI > >I can $ CREATE/TERMINAL and $ MCR DECW$mumble and display on my Power-o/ > >Book.  Just can't launch a full CDE session.a > C > Could that be that the OSX doesn't allow remote window managers ?n  F Yes. The New Desktop workspace manager, which handles the front panel,F is also the window manager. There are controls that prevent having two= window managers for the same root window. With something like B eXcursion its own window manager will make way for a remote window" manager if that option is enabled.  E If OS X has its window manager and that doesn't give way then you are @ not going to get the New Desktop front panel. Depending upon theE window manager OS X has you may have a means of making it give way orh you could just terminate it.   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2004 03:08:09 -0700$ From: gspamtackett@yahoo.com (Galen)A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system-= Message-ID: <bdc65a53.0405270208.5615ec98@posting.google.com>t  F It's possible, on OS X 10.3 at least, to run Apple's release of X11 inD rootless mode. I don't know what effect if any that would have on an7 application that tries to take ownership of the root...t    u JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<27f2cbc51c54a6cf45887ad3eb39a483@news.teranews.com>...n# > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: J > > I can $ CREATE/TERMINAL and $ MCR DECW$mumble and display on my Power-0 > > Book.  Just can't launch a full CDE session. > 2 > Does CDE require ownership of the root window ?  > > > or does it just pop up its own windows as children of root ? > J > If the MAC has onwership of the root window and CDE wants, then it would* > explain why CDE can't start its desktop.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:01:01 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another systemo* Message-ID: <2hm03eFed1a9U1@uni-berlin.de>   VAXman- wrote: >  >  > Paul,t > I > I have the Apple BlueTooth wireless.  Out of the box it works like a LKtI > style keyboard and is laid out very much like one.  I need to xmodmap 4tJ > keys (the top row of the alternate keypad) to work just like the LK key- > board. >r  F That's encouraging thanks. The combination of superior graphics on my H Mac and the lack of a proper LK for my Alpha, plus a desire to clear my 5 desk of a monitor (2 to be truthful) is at work here.s  I The improvement I see when I create a Mozilla (CSWB) window on the iBook mF instead of through the Alpha's Elsa Gloria card & Sony LCD monitor is D quite stunning (some web pages are simply unreadable on the latter).  I > I have setup a .Xresource file which establishes XTerm default to do as H > much like a VT terminal as possible (this also established delete as a  > DEL 127 instead of backspace). >   4 Odd. My xterm already does DEL instead of backspace.  H > If I launch a DECterm, this all works even better.  Double-click/ClickI > cut and paste works like a native DECterm would (using the [alt/option]t4 > in conjunction with the click to emulate the MB2). >   H Yes it does that very nicely, and it solves the problem in iTerm, xterm H and Terminal where a double click uses "." as a delimiter for selection 8 rather than just whitespace (iTerm delimits on "_" too).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:39:03 +02000* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another systemd* Message-ID: <2hm2apFebs74U1@uni-berlin.de>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:- > Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote:= > J >>Slightly digressing, but relevant to creating X-windows on a Mac, using J >>iTerm on OS X to ssh into VMS, iTerm does an excellent emulation of the I >>VT numeric keypad when Numlock is on. In a DECterm windows this is not 4K >>the case, unfortunately. In contrast, a DECterm window does the accented =I >>characters on the Mac keyboard I am using perfectly, but iTerm doesn't.0 >  > I > How well does iTerm handle displaying things though?  If it's the one InN > think it is, while it handled the keyboard quite well, the display was total > mess.- >   H Most things I've used it with display OK.In a recent discussion over on D comp.sys.mac.system someone claimed that the most recent version of G iTerm had been cleaned up a lot. He said he saw some display junk when  G using Notes on VMS, but I haven't seen that. The display in EDIT/TPU's bI help set keypad when pressing any of the keypad keys is the only problem l I've seen so far.O  I Now the acid test - VTTEST from Thomas Dickey's site. No suprise that it  G doesn't get double height or width correct, and dark/light backgrounds hB are reversed, which probably explains the help set keypad problem.  H > I've resorted to changing the .modmap for X-Windows and using an xtermN > (Apple really messed up the xterm, as you can't remap keys for just a single	 > xterm).  >   ' Have you managed to get xterm to paste?u   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:23:36 GMTh" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGA Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another systemt0 Message-ID: <00A32744.08B06DF9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  W In article <2hm03eFed1a9U1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:g >VAXman- wrote:  >> >> l >> Paul, >> UJ >> I have the Apple BlueTooth wireless.  Out of the box it works like a LKJ >> style keyboard and is laid out very much like one.  I need to xmodmap 4K >> keys (the top row of the alternate keypad) to work just like the LK key-t	 >> board.o >> >yG >That's encouraging thanks. The combination of superior graphics on my sI >Mac and the lack of a proper LK for my Alpha, plus a desire to clear my  6 >desk of a monitor (2 to be truthful) is at work here. >dJ >The improvement I see when I create a Mozilla (CSWB) window on the iBook G >instead of through the Alpha's Elsa Gloria card & Sony LCD monitor is tE >quite stunning (some web pages are simply unreadable on the latter).  >hJ >> I have setup a .Xresource file which establishes XTerm default to do asI >> much like a VT terminal as possible (this also established delete as a ! >> DEL 127 instead of backspace).d >> p > 5 >Odd. My xterm already does DEL instead of backspace.t  G Without having to use the CTRL key?  Must be something redefining it inf your setup.s       I >> If I launch a DECterm, this all works even better.  Double-click/Click J >> cut and paste works like a native DECterm would (using the [alt/option]5 >> in conjunction with the click to emulate the MB2).s >> r >dI >Yes it does that very nicely, and it solves the problem in iTerm, xterm  I >and Terminal where a double click uses "." as a delimiter for selection e9 >rather than just whitespace (iTerm delimits on "_" too).,  F I think that these can be modified with an XTerm* resource.  I need to" read through man again to be sure. --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be., --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo            u5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:07:28 +0200m* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system * Message-ID: <2hm401Fetm4uU1@uni-berlin.de>   VAXman- wrote:Y > In article <2hm03eFed1a9U1@uni-berlin.de>, Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> writes:  >  >>VAXman- wrote: >>J >>>I have setup a .Xresource file which establishes XTerm default to do asI >>>much like a VT terminal as possible (this also established delete as ad! >>>DEL 127 instead of backspace).l >>>i >>6 >>Odd. My xterm already does DEL instead of backspace. >  > I > Without having to use the CTRL key?  Must be something redefining it ino
 > your setup.y >  d  H But I don't know what. But I started with X11 with a downloaded version I sometime last summer in order to run OpenOffice, and upgraded to Panther 2I later, including the X11 which came with that, so presumably I inherited _ a setting from earlier.n   >  > I >>>If I launch a DECterm, this all works even better.  Double-click/ClicksJ >>>cut and paste works like a native DECterm would (using the [alt/option]5 >>>in conjunction with the click to emulate the MB2).k >>>c >>J >>Yes it does that very nicely, and it solves the problem in iTerm, xterm J >>and Terminal where a double click uses "." as a delimiter for selection : >>rather than just whitespace (iTerm delimits on "_" too). >  > H > I think that these can be modified with an XTerm* resource.  I need to$ > read through man again to be sure.  # Good to know, as it drives me nuts.m   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2004 07:34:23 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) A Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another systeml3 Message-ID: <QoafGH6Po5xO@eisner.encompasserve.org>g  p In article <27f2cbc51c54a6cf45887ad3eb39a483@news.teranews.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:# > VAXman-, @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:hI >> I can $ CREATE/TERMINAL and $ MCR DECW$mumble and display on my Power- / >> Book.  Just can't launch a full CDE session.  > 2 > Does CDE require ownership of the root window ?   B    I have never been able to get it away from CDE, which is one of!    my prime complaints about CDE.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:48:25 GMTt" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORGA Subject: Re: CDE - redirecting complete desktop to another system>0 Message-ID: <00A32771.698E76E8@SendSpamHere.ORG>   FYI,  E I have just downloaded a demo copy of a X11 server called eXodus frome Powerlan-USA.COM.  o  E Very nice and I was able to fire up my CDE environment from the AlphasF to my PowerBook!  Price is not as cheap as the version that comes withF Panther but at $270 (and it works!) I'm very tempted to purchase it if8 I can get a longer demo period than the default 10 mins.   --  B http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.y -- aK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMp            x5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" d   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:03:45 GMTe) From: "Rick Barry" <richard.barry@hp.com>a" Subject: Re: CSWS 2.0 Source Code?2 Message-ID: <lrntc.2419$9c3.1762@news.cpqcorp.net>  J Yes, use of CRTL/RMS to read the file rather than mapping it directly intoL memory would work. That's the way we do things in SWS 1.3. With 2.0, we needH to concern ourselves with the extra layers of API abstractions that wereL introduced. Nothing insurmountable. It's just a simple matter of programming :)  
 Rick Barry OpenVMS System Software Groupo Hewlett-Packard Company 
 Nashua, NH  8 "David J Dachtera" <djesys@comcast.net> wrote in message% news:40B2A6D9.C4C60ED5@comcast.net...a > Rick Barry wrote:H > > K > > The accurate determination of file size is just one issue. Meta-data inaI > > record formats such as variable-length cause problems when Apache 2.0i mapsI > > the file in memory for performance reasons. The meta-data get read asd dataI > > which, of course, is wrong.  We either figure out a way to filter thet0 > > meta-data or not map certain record formats. >tE > Wouldn't using RMS to read the file into memory solve that problem?a >  > David J Dachtera > (Sig temporarily missing)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:47:07 +0200B, From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>0 Subject: DECnet dynamic objects - PID of process5 Message-ID: <1085662032.429057@proxy.dienste.wien.at>i  	 Hi @ all,R  L under DECnet Phase IV, when entering the command MCR NCP SHOW KNOWN OBJECTS,I for those objects which were created dynamically by a detached process, Im can see its PID under  the "File/PID" column.  E How can I get this information under DECnet-Plus? The SESSION CONTROL  APPLICATIONnK entity does not provide an information like this. Are there other commands?i  $ MTIA and kind greetings from Vienna,   Ferrye   -- s Ing. Ferry Bolharl% Municipality of Vienna, Department 14  A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIAp E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.atl   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2004 07:40:54 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 2 Subject: Re: Eastern Washington University project3 Message-ID: <SS5mVEFY4WL5@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  H In article <c8gi6k01lbe@enews2.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes: > E > Gee, that must make a VAXstation 4000/VLC run headless with a BA350eA > attached, and a DECserver 90L for terminals a "Mainframe" :^)  t  /    You better make sure that BA is a pizza box.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:57:38 +0100-* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>( Subject: Re: Here's the 1st ad I've seen' Message-ID: <c91m9v$omj$1@lore.csc.com>f   John Smith wrote:5 >  ...7L > Notice that PH-UX is mentioned by name for Airbus. Have to wait and see if0 > any customers using VMS are mentioned by name.   Airbus used to be a VMS user.l  % In fact in some areas they still are.h   --  ? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences) nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:57:24 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ( Subject: Re: Here's the 1st ad I've seen, Message-ID: <i6ydncatq9fZPyndRVn-jw@igs.net>  7 "Nic Clews" <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message ! news:c91m9v$omj$1@lore.csc.com...l > John Smith wrote:n > >l > ...tK > > Notice that PH-UX is mentioned by name for Airbus. Have to wait and see  if2 > > any customers using VMS are mentioned by name. >s > Airbus used to be a VMS user.  >e' > In fact in some areas they still are.D    I So are a number of companies, smaller though that number gets day by day.   F Their ads do nothing to tell anyone outside of a small circle of thoseA in-the-know that OpenVMS is the operating system of choice by theiH organization named. In reality, as you state, OpenVMS constitutes a veryJ small percentage of the os investment at most companies mentioned if it is even there at all..n  J From the ads, HP is seemingly happy to promote the use of Alphaservers (byL name) because they can be re-purposed from VMS to Linux or from VMS to Tru64J which ultimately leads to PH-UX, but they have a large 'mental block' with respect to advertising OpenVMS..  L I had a hunch that if HP was going to ever mention OpenVMS in any ads it wasJ going to be sometime around the time when v8.2 was released. We're gettingH close to that time, but it's too little, too late. They should have beenL advertising it since the day the merger was finalized if for no other reasonI other than to staunch the defections from VMS. But then we had Stallard'soK VMS -> PH-UX migration statement, and the lack of desire to really continuel+ selling Alpha as the counterweight to that.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 22:31:20 GMTe- From: "Anti Spam & Uncle Lart" <1234@321.com>n1 Subject: Re: I'M IN LOVE WITH J F  M E Z E I!!!!!'@ Message-ID: <YU8tc.2$GYd.0@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  ) "mrtravelkay" <a@a.aa.a> wrote in message 6 news:Zj2tc.4233$sm1.2382@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com... >oD  > You are sick, even pretending to be me and then responding to me. >fH DUH! That's is the one way can do it. He talks to himself because nobodyK else will! If it wasn't for his right hand Mr. Anon would have no sex life!O   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 18:16:50 -0700i& From: "Matt" <somewhere@somewhere.com>4 Subject: Re: J F on the Bush Regime as War Criminals1 Message-ID: <N4adnZc169553SjdRVn2hg@giganews.com>   K "Jonathan" <allspammersmustdie@becausetheyareassholes.com> wrote in messagei& news:j56dnbwKVfa1fCndRVn-gQ@look.ca... > >O > >n >  > :-)l >iH > Bush lovers represent all of the people who should have been culled at > birth, but weren't.a >n  J Thanks for that intelligent commentary.  You obviously put a lot of though into that insult.a   Matt   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 02:13:27 GMTf, From: "newsnewsnews" <testing_tests@shaw.ca>4 Subject: Re: J F on the Bush Regime as War Criminals. Message-ID: <b9ctc.565614$Pk3.383960@pd7tw1no>  1 "Matt" <somewhere@somewhere.com> wrote in message + news:N4adnZc169553SjdRVn2hg@giganews.com...tE > "Jonathan" <allspammersmustdie@becausetheyareassholes.com> wrote inb messageu( > news:j56dnbwKVfa1fCndRVn-gQ@look.ca... > > >r > > >" > >n > > :-)" > > J > > Bush lovers represent all of the people who should have been culled at > > birth, but weren't.o > >s > L > Thanks for that intelligent commentary.  You obviously put a lot of though > into that insult.c >  > Matt  L It doesn't require alot of thought to think about something bad to say about an american.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 00:01:43 -0700 & From: "Matt" <somewhere@somewhere.com>4 Subject: Re: J F on the Bush Regime as War Criminals1 Message-ID: <u-2dndbI3tckDCjdRVn2iQ@giganews.com>   7 "newsnewsnews" <testing_tests@shaw.ca> wrote in messagek( news:b9ctc.565614$Pk3.383960@pd7tw1no... >M3 > "Matt" <somewhere@somewhere.com> wrote in messaged- > news:N4adnZc169553SjdRVn2hg@giganews.com...eG > > "Jonathan" <allspammersmustdie@becausetheyareassholes.com> wrote in 	 > messagee* > > news:j56dnbwKVfa1fCndRVn-gQ@look.ca... > > > >o > > > >r > > >o	 > > > :-)w > > >eL > > > Bush lovers represent all of the people who should have been culled at > > > birth, but weren't.r > > >  > > G > > Thanks for that intelligent commentary.  You obviously put a lot of` though > > into that insult.I > >: > > Matt >^H > It doesn't require alot of thought to think about something bad to say about  > an american. >:  : That's because jealousy and envy are very simple feelings.   Matt   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2004 07:45:46 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)B Subject: Re: KSTACKPAGES3 Message-ID: <O1fa5q3yycYQ@eisner.encompasserve.org><  g In article <770c7f9b.0405201004.72dfcdf2@posting.google.com>, twilliams@gscc.com (Tom Williams) writes:aB > One of our systems (in a cluster) crashed a few weeks ago with aG > CPUSPINWAIT error. HP recommended increasing KSTACKPAGES from 1 to 4.mE > What's the impact of increasing this parameter? I have 30 different G > systems, some in clusters, and some not.  Is there a way to determine C > if a system is a good candidate for increasing this parameter?  I(F > don't want to do a global change if I don't have to.  Thanks for any > input you can provide.  F    If you don't have enough KSTACKPAGES your system will crash, that'sF    the usual way you find out you need more.  The impact in this case     is 3 pages of memory.  E    In 24 years of using VMS, I've only had one system crash for this.K   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:31:11 +02002& From: Erich Weber <xxx@weberseiten.at>! Subject: LAT -> IP, some problems-- Message-ID: <40B5D17F.6070209@weberseiten.at>    Hi,   F our (VMS/Pascal) application communicates with many other systems via @ serial interfaces on a DECserver. For communication between our K application and DECserver we have used LAT with no problems for many years.a  B Now some costumer configurations require a change from LAT to IP. B Therefore we have looked for a possibility to realize this change H without modifications in our application. We've found some hints, which I suggest using of TNA-Devices (instead of LTA) created by command "TELNET 'D CREATE_SESSION". We've tried TNA-Devices and it worked, but we have " found the following both problems:  H (1) When we disconnect the DECserver from the Ethernet, our application E doesn't notice this for the first ten minutes. Then, our application tH hangs in the first $QIOW, which has been called after then minutes. The F only possibility in this case is to call $CANCEL to cancel the $QIOW. G For implementing $CANCEL we must modify our application (and this wont l& work for $QIOW-calls in AST-routines).  H - Question 1: Are there any other possibilities to prevent this hanging < situation without modifying our source code (changing TCPIP I configuration, ...)? We have already tried different parameters with the F' CREATE_SESSION-command without success.   I - Question 2: Is there a possibility to change the timeout (ten minutes)?   G (2) When we reconnect the DECserver to the Ethernet, we have sometimes  G (very rarely) noticed that the server port is still logged in (and the sF session is still established). In this case there is no communication I between VMS and server port possible (all calls are hanging, including a zI "SET HOST/DTE"), until the server port will be logged out manually! This tG is a very big problem for us, but we have found a (possible) solution: vG We have set the server port to "inactivity logout" and the "inactivity aI timer" of the DECserver to one minute. After we made these modifications aI we have this problem not any more (but we don't know, if this problem is t really solved).e  K - Question: Have anybody in this group more information about this problem?,  H - Additionally question: Are there any limit by using TNA-Devices (e.g. I maximal number of devices, maximal number of sessions/connections at the f same time, ...)?  - Thank you very much in advance for any hints!    Best wishes, Erich Weberw   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:17:57 GMT`# From: Jonas Lindholm <jlhm@usa.net>(% Subject: Re: LAT -> IP, some problems-9 Message-ID: <V%ktc.95660$Nn4.20716515@twister.nyc.rr.com>l   Erich Weber wrote:  J > (1) When we disconnect the DECserver from the Ethernet, our application G > doesn't notice this for the first ten minutes. Then, our application tJ > hangs in the first $QIOW, which has been called after then minutes. The H > only possibility in this case is to call $CANCEL to cancel the $QIOW. I > For implementing $CANCEL we must modify our application (and this wont u( > work for $QIOW-calls in AST-routines). >   6 Why do you have code that do $QIOW in an AST routine ?   /Jonas   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 08:02:18 -0700' From: mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka)  Subject: Machine language?= Message-ID: <6b70c71c.0405260702.198e2b9b@posting.google.com>t  * For those with long memories and who might- waste their time to dislike me, please do thet usual.  For others...:  , I haven't been issued a pocket-protector and* may never qualify for one, as I am still a, novice user of computing devices.  I think I. have a legit three-part Y/N question about the, lowest level of communication with computing	 hardware.   + Is "machine language" the same as "assemblye) language" and the first-level of software . control over the hardware (as in e.g. CMOS ROM, in the context of a personal PC) and in more. than one flavour (other than PUSH, POP, ....)?  - Don't expect a response to any answer; I haves) very limited access to the Net via publicd library boxes  :-)    .   Mark (Time supposedly heals all wounds; do I2         recall correctly that August was a special0         month for you know who -- birth, death?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:47:55 -0400i+ From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@intel.com>p Subject: Re: Machine language?8 Message-ID: <0re9b0talkf910a5q3ij67gac6qdpmji3b@4ax.com>  G On 26 May 2004 08:02:18 -0700, mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote:d  , >Is "machine language" the same as "assembly* >language" and the first-level of software/ >control over the hardware (as in e.g. CMOS ROMt- >in the context of a personal PC) and in more / >than one flavour (other than PUSH, POP, ....)?p  G I would say no. To me, machine language is the binary representation ofhH machine instructions which are interpreted directly by the CPU. AssemblyM language is a human-readable representation of machine language, but requiresrI the assembler to convert it to something the CPU can understand. There ismM usually, but not always, a 1:1 correspondence between an assembly instructionnM and the corresponding machine instruction, but assemblers can do other thingshJ such as insert linker directives, allocate data and assign addresses, etc.   Steve-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:13:31 -0700e* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> Subject: Re: Machine language?2 Message-ID: <KYGdnf-8Ifq2XyndRVn-tA@mpowercom.net>  8 "Steve Lionel" <Steve.Lionel@intel.com> wrote in message2 news:0re9b0talkf910a5q3ij67gac6qdpmji3b@4ax.com...I > On 26 May 2004 08:02:18 -0700, mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote:  >t. > >Is "machine language" the same as "assembly, > >language" and the first-level of software1 > >control over the hardware (as in e.g. CMOS ROMe/ > >in the context of a personal PC) and in morel1 > >than one flavour (other than PUSH, POP, ....)?  >   > assemblers can do other thingsL > such as insert linker directives, allocate data and assign addresses, etc. >nL Good assemblers also handle macros, relocation, segmentation, etc. which are  not related to machine language.  L As for being the first level of software, not quite.  If the CPU doesn't useC hard-wired instruction decoding then the machine language itself iscL interpreted by the microcode loaded at IPL or built into the processor.  TheJ IBM 370 was a classic microprogram design; the 8" floppy was invented as a way to load the microcode.  E The boot ROM and CMOS memory in an x86 design are nothing more than asI bootstrap program and persistent NVRAM memory to save settings.  They are8K "first level" only in the sense that the motherboard designer built it thatcK way.  In the past there have been many other ways to cold start a computer,rK including depositing a machine language bootstrap loader directly into main. memory from a front panel.  K NB: the hazards of asking for answers to your comp sci homework is that you>B may wind up with a technical answer that exceeds your instructor'sJ knowledge, in which case your answer is considered wrong.  You had best be2 prepared to defend your answer with real research.   Jack Peacock   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:19:17 GMTd% From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com>  Subject: Re: Machine language?B Message-ID: <harris-0ACF76.12495726052004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>  = In article <6b70c71c.0405260702.198e2b9b@posting.google.com>, )  mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) wrote:   , > For those with long memories and who might/ > waste their time to dislike me, please do thel > usual.  For others...: > . > I haven't been issued a pocket-protector and, > may never qualify for one, as I am still a. > novice user of computing devices.  I think I0 > have a legit three-part Y/N question about the. > lowest level of communication with computing > hardware.r > - > Is "machine language" the same as "assemblyh+ > language" and the first-level of softwaren0 > control over the hardware (as in e.g. CMOS ROM. > in the context of a personal PC) and in more0 > than one flavour (other than PUSH, POP, ....)? > / > Don't expect a response to any answer; I haven+ > very limited access to the Net via public  > library boxes  :-) >  > 0 >   Mark (Time supposedly heals all wounds; do I4 >         recall correctly that August was a special2 >         month for you know who -- birth, death?)  I Machine language was when I used the front panel toggle switches to load tF the RIM BIN boot loader into the PDP-8.  I also did this for a UNIVAC G 9400, and for the Leeds & Northrup CP400 (a Xerox Sigma 3 clone; but I tE guess this one doesn't count as it was a micro programmed system :-).   ' That was machine language.  1's and 0'si  G Assembly language is a stop up in the world.  And anyone that thinks C tG is a low level language hasn't hand to crawl around inside of a system  E via its front console, the console lights (more 1's and 0's) and the *H toggle switches.  C is very high level after you have lived in front of 0 the console playing toggle this and toggle that.  2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 12:12:05 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)1 Subject: Re: Machine language?3 Message-ID: <5tf74qivpAm7@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  g In article <6b70c71c.0405260702.198e2b9b@posting.google.com>, mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) writes:> > - > Is "machine language" the same as "assemblyR+ > language" and the first-level of softwarea0 > control over the hardware (as in e.g. CMOS ROM. > in the context of a personal PC) and in more0 > than one flavour (other than PUSH, POP, ....)? >   @    "machine language" and "assembly language" are sometimes used:    interchangeably, but do not really mean the same thing.  =    Assembly language represents the instructions that the CPU2D    knows how to execute (PUSH, POP, etc.).  Machine language can be D    the same thing, or it can be a lower level, such as microcode in C    a microcoded machine, or some knowledge of how each instruction  ?    is implemented (logic gate selections and timing and such). aD    Sometimes this level is known as firmware, sometimes that term is    used for something else.s  H    CMOS ROM is hardware that contains a bunch of ordinary software that I    the CPU can access is some special way.  Similar concepts can include tH    BIOS, boot ROM, PALcode, or firmware, but they are also all somewhat G    different (almost every system these days has a boot ROM even if it eF    doesn't need a BIOS or PALcode).  CMOS ROM is not machine language.  ?    The only way to know what each is is to look up the vendor's:E    definition.  Each vendor has his own ideas of what to call things.l   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2004 09:11:02 -0700' From: mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka). Subject: Re: Machine language?= Message-ID: <6b70c71c.0405270811.2623f27b@posting.google.com>r  h Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in message news:<twVBQnth41Q5@eisner.encompasserve.org>...i > In article <6b70c71c.0405260702.198e2b9b@posting.google.com>, mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) writes:e > / > > Is "machine language" the same as "assemblye
 > > language"e >  > No.  > % > Machine language is ones and zeros.h > A > Assembly language represents those ones and zeros with symbols.b  , Dang!  Here I am at 111010 and ain't lookin'( like I'll ever get completely assembled.       Mark (Thanks, all)   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2004 21:36:48 -0700- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva)-( Subject: Magtape operations completed...= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0405252036.36763818@posting.google.com>d  A I want create a procedure to show me completed magtape operationsd counter.= This procedure it will show a freeze message in the terminal:l  4     Magtape - MTZ200 -> xxxxxxx operations completed  D where only xxxxx will change (increase) when I'm reading a tape. How could I make this  ?   Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:30:52 +0200t2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>, Subject: Re: Magtape operations completed...* Message-ID: <c91dij$1o815@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0004010900070906060503099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitc   Shiva MahaDeva wrote:   C > I want create a procedure to show me completed magtape operationsn
 > counter.? > This procedure it will show a freeze message in the terminal:  > 6 >     Magtape - MTZ200 -> xxxxxxx operations completed > F > where only xxxxx will change (increase) when I'm reading a tape. How > could I make this  ? >  > Thanks in advance.8 To get the operations completed a simple DCL comand like7 	pipe sho dev 'tape'/Full | search sys$input completed:2C would extract the relevant information from the SHOW DEVICE output.t  I You can combine this with a little DCL to move the cursor to e.g. top of wC screen to get a nice display. I've attached a little (very old and a7 crude) DCL routine which does this for any DCL command.i  & --------------000401090007090606050309 Content-Type: text/plain;   name="REPEAT.COM" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitd Content-Disposition: inline;  filename="REPEAT.COM"   $!' $!	VW-WOB SAP02::CNC_MANAGER:REPEAT.COMO $! $!	created:	07-Jul-1987w $!	by:		K. Rohwedder $! $!	modified:5 $!	V1.1	17-Aug-1987 Rohwedder	- inprove userinterface 4 $!      09-SEP-1991 Rohwedder   - allow clear screenI $!      05-MAY-1992 Rohwedder   - include time and increase counter fieldX6 $!      15-DEC-1992 Rohwedder   - clear rest of screen $! $!+ ( $!	Repeats a selectable command N times. $!
 $!	Parameter:m
 $!	----------  $!+ $!	P1	command string (default SHOW PROCESS)t) $!	P2	number of repetitions (default 100)t7 $!	P3	delay between repetitions (default 10) in secondsg< $!	P4	true -> clear screen and move cursor to top inbeteween $!-- $!
 $	SET	NOON $! $	WS	= "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"0 $	esc[0,7]=27	 $!K $        if "''cnctools_statistics'" .nes. "" then $ cnc_write_fstat repeate $! $	COMMAND	= "SHOW PROCESS"
 $	TMP	= ""# $	IF	P1 .NES. ""		THEN	COMMAND = P1e $	IF	P1 .EQS. ""		THEN	-& 	  INQUIRE TMP "Kommando [''COMMAND']"% $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN COMMAND = TMPk $! $	NUMBER	= 100
 $	TMP	= ""8 $	IF	F$TYPE(P2) .EQS. "INTEGER" .AND. P2 .NES. "" THEN - 	  NUMBER = F$INTEGER(P2)< $	IF	P2 .EQS. ""		THEN	-# 	  INQUIRE TMP "Anzahl [''NUMBER']"5/ $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN NUMBER = F$INTEGER(TMP)A $! $	DELAY	= "10"
 $	TMP	= ""! $	IF	P3 .NES. ""		THEN DELAY = P3  $	IF	P3 .EQS. ""		THEN	-/ 	  INQUIRE TMP "Abstand in Sekunden [''DELAY']"l# $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN DELAY = TMPe $!
 $	CLEAR	= "T"o
 $	TMP	= ""! $	IF	P4 .NES. ""		THEN clear = p4o $	IF	P4 .EQS. ""		THEN	-/ 	  INQUIRE TMP "Bildschirm loeschen [''CLEAR']"t# $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN CLEAR = TMP  $!+ $	if clear  then $ ws "''esc'[1;1H''esc'[J"- $	IC	= 0 $ LOOP:-
 $	IC	= IC + 1 & $	IF IC .GT. NUMBER		THEN	GOTO	ENDLOOP $	IF	IC .NE. 1 $	THEN	hH $	  READ/time='DELAY'/error=loop1/end=endloop sys$command tmp /prompt=""- $	  if clear  then $ ws "''esc'[1;1H''esc'[J"> $	endifn $ loop1:" $	if clear then $ ws "''esc'[1;1H"J $	WS F$FAO ("<!AS> (!AS/!AS)!_!AS!/",COMMAND,"''IC'","''NUMBER'",f$time()) $	'COMMAND'd  $	if clear then $ ws "''esc'[0J" $	GOTO	LOOP  $!
 $ ENDLOOP: $	EXIT  ( --------------000401090007090606050309--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 03:11:03 -0400i  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>, Subject: Re: Magtape operations completed...6 Message-ID: <1040526030728.32308J-100000@Ives.egh.com>  J   This message is in MIME format.  The first part should be readable text,K   while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.t?   Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info.h  & --------------0004010900070906060503099 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii; FORMAT=flowed / Content-ID: <1040526030728.32308L@Ives.egh.com>d  * On Wed, 26 May 2004, Karl Rohwedder wrote:   > Shiva MahaDeva wrote:  > E > > I want create a procedure to show me completed magtape operationsv > > counter.A > > This procedure it will show a freeze message in the terminal:  > > 8 > >     Magtape - MTZ200 -> xxxxxxx operations completed > > H > > where only xxxxx will change (increase) when I'm reading a tape. How > > could I make this  ? > >  > > Thanks in advance.: > To get the operations completed a simple DCL comand like9 > 	pipe sho dev 'tape'/Full | search sys$input completed:-E > would extract the relevant information from the SHOW DEVICE output.m > K > You can combine this with a little DCL to move the cursor to e.g. top of sE > screen to get a nice display. I've attached a little (very old and  9 > crude) DCL routine which does this for any DCL command.   A Another way to get this info is from f$getdvi().  Here's a littles@ DCL file I wrote long ago to display some tape info.  It doesn't1 auto-update as you would like, but it might help.   " "opcnt" is the item code you want.    " $ save_proc_verify = 'f$verify(0)'3 $ save_image_verify = f$environment("VERIFY_IMAGE")o2 $ write sys$output "Tape  Open    I/Os   Err Name"& $ if p1 .eqs. "" then $ goto all_tapes $ tape = p1y $ gosub display? $ goto done  $ all_tapes: $ tape = "MKA0"  $ gosub displaya $ tape = "MKB0"e $ gosub displayl $ goto done 
 $ display:$ $ opens = f$getdvi(tape, "TRANSCNT") $ ios = f$getdvi(tape, "opcnt")s! $ errs = f$getdvi(tape, "errcnt")t" $ label = f$getdvi(tape, "volnam")/ $ dpy = f$fao("!4AS !05UL !0007UL  !4UL !AS", -l.                tape,opens,ios,     errs,label) $ write sys$output dpy $ return $ done:e6 $ temp = f$verify(save_proc_verify, save_image_verify)     -- o John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539  ( --------------000401090007090606050309--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:07:57 +0200e* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>, Subject: Re: Magtape operations completed...* Message-ID: <2hj53eF9v7vaU1@uni-berlin.de>   Karl Rohwedder wrote:d > Shiva MahaDeva wrote:' > D >> I want create a procedure to show me completed magtape operations >> counter.e@ >> This procedure it will show a freeze message in the terminal: >>7 >>     Magtape - MTZ200 -> xxxxxxx operations completedC >>G >> where only xxxxx will change (increase) when I'm reading a tape. How8 >> could I make this  ?  >> >> Thanks in advance.1 > : > To get the operations completed a simple DCL comand like< >     pipe sho dev 'tape'/Full | search sys$input completed:E > would extract the relevant information from the SHOW DEVICE output.o > K > You can combine this with a little DCL to move the cursor to e.g. top of wE > screen to get a nice display. I've attached a little (very old and >9 > crude) DCL routine which does this for any DCL command.o >   E Aargh Karl. You posted it as an attachment. Anyone using a text only iC newsreader will have difficulty reading that, and today's INFO-VAX r8 digest will probably be screwed up in a similar fashion.  I Having said that, here's an example of using REPEAT.COM to do what Shiva S wants.  6 @repeat "write sys$output f$getdvi(""dka0"",""opcnt"")  # REPEAT.COM reproduced inline below.v  : For non-German speakers, the prompts translate as follows:  , Anzahl [100]:               --> Repeat count; Abstand in Sekunden [10]:   --> Display interval in secondsp, Bildschirm loeschen [T]:    --> Clear screen   > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >  > $!) > $!	VW-WOB SAP02::CNC_MANAGER:REPEAT.COMa > $! > $!	created:	07-Jul-1987e > $!	by:		K. Rohwedder > $! > $!	modified:7 > $!	V1.1	17-Aug-1987 Rohwedder	- inprove userinterfaceo6 > $!      09-SEP-1991 Rohwedder   - allow clear screenK > $!      05-MAY-1992 Rohwedder   - include time and increase counter fieldr8 > $!      15-DEC-1992 Rohwedder   - clear rest of screen > $! > $!+f* > $!	Repeats a selectable command N times. > $! > $!	Parameter:  > $!	----------  > $!- > $!	P1	command string (default SHOW PROCESS)I+ > $!	P2	number of repetitions (default 100) 9 > $!	P3	delay between repetitions (default 10) in secondss> > $!	P4	true -> clear screen and move cursor to top inbeteween > $!-a > $! > $	SET	NOON > $! > $	WS	= "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"M > $	esc[0,7]=27	 > $!M > $        if "''cnctools_statistics'" .nes. "" then $ cnc_write_fstat repeatt > $! > $	COMMAND	= "SHOW PROCESS" > $	TMP	= ""% > $	IF	P1 .NES. ""		THEN	COMMAND = P1a > $	IF	P1 .EQS. ""		THEN	-( > 	  INQUIRE TMP "Kommando [''COMMAND']"' > $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN COMMAND = TMP- > $! > $	NUMBER	= 100 > $	TMP	= "": > $	IF	F$TYPE(P2) .EQS. "INTEGER" .AND. P2 .NES. "" THEN - > 	  NUMBER = F$INTEGER(P2)e > $	IF	P2 .EQS. ""		THEN	-% > 	  INQUIRE TMP "Anzahl [''NUMBER']"o1 > $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN NUMBER = F$INTEGER(TMP)  > $! > $	DELAY	= "10" > $	TMP	= ""# > $	IF	P3 .NES. ""		THEN DELAY = P3  > $	IF	P3 .EQS. ""		THEN	-1 > 	  INQUIRE TMP "Abstand in Sekunden [''DELAY']"i% > $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN DELAY = TMP  > $! > $	CLEAR	= "T"k > $	TMP	= ""# > $	IF	P4 .NES. ""		THEN clear = p4t > $	IF	P4 .EQS. ""		THEN	-1 > 	  INQUIRE TMP "Bildschirm loeschen [''CLEAR']"e% > $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN CLEAR = TMPo > $!- > $	if clear  then $ ws "''esc'[1;1H''esc'[J"c
 > $	IC	= 0	 > $ LOOP:m > $	IC	= IC + 1r( > $	IF IC .GT. NUMBER		THEN	GOTO	ENDLOOP > $	IF	IC .NE. 1	 > $	THEN	nJ > $	  READ/time='DELAY'/error=loop1/end=endloop sys$command tmp /prompt=""/ > $	  if clear  then $ ws "''esc'[1;1H''esc'[J" 	 > $	endif]
 > $ loop1:$ > $	if clear then $ ws "''esc'[1;1H"L > $	WS F$FAO ("<!AS> (!AS/!AS)!_!AS!/",COMMAND,"''IC'","''NUMBER'",f$time())
 > $	'COMMAND' " > $	if clear then $ ws "''esc'[0J"
 > $	GOTO	LOOPe > $! > $ ENDLOOP: > $	EXIT   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 07:24:12 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) , Subject: Re: Magtape operations completed...3 Message-ID: <CxPGa0o4e1hE@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  m In article <ddf392ea.0405252036.36763818@posting.google.com>, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes: C > I want create a procedure to show me completed magtape operationse
 > counter.? > This procedure it will show a freeze message in the terminal:4 > 6 >     Magtape - MTZ200 -> xxxxxxx operations completed > F > where only xxxxx will change (increase) when I'm reading a tape. How > could I make this  ? >  > Thanks in advance.    E    By "procedure" do you mean in DCL?  If not, then my first reactionoC    would be to use Fortran overprint.  I'd just have to look up then)    $GETDVI code for the operations count.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 10:06:49 -0700- From: contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva)m, Subject: Re: Magtape operations completed...= Message-ID: <ddf392ea.0405260906.5f2c7c5e@posting.google.com>D   Thanks !   Danken !    \ Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net> wrote in message news:<2hj53eF9v7vaU1@uni-berlin.de>... > Karl Rohwedder wrote:e > > Shiva MahaDeva wrote:i > > F > >> I want create a procedure to show me completed magtape operations
 > >> counter.iB > >> This procedure it will show a freeze message in the terminal: > >>9 > >>     Magtape - MTZ200 -> xxxxxxx operations completede > >>I > >> where only xxxxx will change (increase) when I'm reading a tape. How  > >> could I make this  ?  > >> > >> Thanks in advance.  > > < > > To get the operations completed a simple DCL comand like> > >     pipe sho dev 'tape'/Full | search sys$input completed:G > > would extract the relevant information from the SHOW DEVICE output.- > > M > > You can combine this with a little DCL to move the cursor to e.g. top of  G > > screen to get a nice display. I've attached a little (very old and .; > > crude) DCL routine which does this for any DCL command.t > >  > G > Aargh Karl. You posted it as an attachment. Anyone using a text only  E > newsreader will have difficulty reading that, and today's INFO-VAX P: > digest will probably be screwed up in a similar fashion. > K > Having said that, here's an example of using REPEAT.COM to do what Shiva w > wants. > 8 > @repeat "write sys$output f$getdvi(""dka0"",""opcnt"") > % > REPEAT.COM reproduced inline below.4 > < > For non-German speakers, the prompts translate as follows: > . > Anzahl [100]:               --> Repeat count= > Abstand in Sekunden [10]:   --> Display interval in secondsh. > Bildschirm loeschen [T]:    --> Clear screen >  > > L > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >  > > $!+ > > $!	VW-WOB SAP02::CNC_MANAGER:REPEAT.COMt > > $! > > $!	created:	07-Jul-1987c > > $!	by:		K. Rohwedder > > $! > > $!	modified:9 > > $!	V1.1	17-Aug-1987 Rohwedder	- inprove userinterfacea8 > > $!      09-SEP-1991 Rohwedder   - allow clear screenM > > $!      05-MAY-1992 Rohwedder   - include time and increase counter field.: > > $!      15-DEC-1992 Rohwedder   - clear rest of screen > > $! > > $!+ , > > $!	Repeats a selectable command N times. > > $! > > $!	Parameter:P > > $!	----------i > > $!/ > > $!	P1	command string (default SHOW PROCESS)e- > > $!	P2	number of repetitions (default 100)d; > > $!	P3	delay between repetitions (default 10) in seconds @ > > $!	P4	true -> clear screen and move cursor to top inbeteween > > $!-P > > $! > > $	SET	NOON > > $! > > $	WS	= "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT"r > > $	esc[0,7]=27	 > > $!O > > $        if "''cnctools_statistics'" .nes. "" then $ cnc_write_fstat repeati > > $! > > $	COMMAND	= "SHOW PROCESS" > > $	TMP	= ""' > > $	IF	P1 .NES. ""		THEN	COMMAND = P1- > > $	IF	P1 .EQS. ""		THEN	-* > > 	  INQUIRE TMP "Kommando [''COMMAND']") > > $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN COMMAND = TMPe > > $! > > $	NUMBER	= 100 > > $	TMP	= ""< > > $	IF	F$TYPE(P2) .EQS. "INTEGER" .AND. P2 .NES. "" THEN - > > 	  NUMBER = F$INTEGER(P2)b > > $	IF	P2 .EQS. ""		THEN	-' > > 	  INQUIRE TMP "Anzahl [''NUMBER']"t3 > > $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN NUMBER = F$INTEGER(TMP)e > > $! > > $	DELAY	= "10" > > $	TMP	= ""% > > $	IF	P3 .NES. ""		THEN DELAY = P3e > > $	IF	P3 .EQS. ""		THEN	-3 > > 	  INQUIRE TMP "Abstand in Sekunden [''DELAY']",' > > $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN DELAY = TMPl > > $! > > $	CLEAR	= "T"1 > > $	TMP	= ""% > > $	IF	P4 .NES. ""		THEN clear = p4D > > $	IF	P4 .EQS. ""		THEN	-3 > > 	  INQUIRE TMP "Bildschirm loeschen [''CLEAR']" ' > > $	IF	TMP .NES. ""		THEN CLEAR = TMPw > > $!/ > > $	if clear  then $ ws "''esc'[1;1H''esc'[J"y > > $	IC	= 0 > > $ LOOP:  > > $	IC	= IC + 1f* > > $	IF IC .GT. NUMBER		THEN	GOTO	ENDLOOP > > $	IF	IC .NE. 1 > > $	THEN	CL > > $	  READ/time='DELAY'/error=loop1/end=endloop sys$command tmp /prompt=""1 > > $	  if clear  then $ ws "''esc'[1;1H''esc'[J"  > > $	endif  > > $ loop1:& > > $	if clear then $ ws "''esc'[1;1H"N > > $	WS F$FAO ("<!AS> (!AS/!AS)!_!AS!/",COMMAND,"''IC'","''NUMBER'",f$time()) > > $	'COMMAND'1$ > > $	if clear then $ ws "''esc'[0J" > > $	GOTO	LOOPl > > $! > > $ ENDLOOP:
 > > $	EXIT   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:22:15 +0200e2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de># Subject: Re: mc ncp show known link * Message-ID: <c91d2d$1o814@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------0109070704060107040700009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowedc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitO   Denis Fayaud wrote:    > Hello, > H > Is there a system service or any other function to retrieve the decnet. > links as the "mc ncp show known link" does ?! > (decnet IV & OpenVMS Alpha 7.3)s
 > thanx a lot I Mr. Didier Morandi wrote an DCL procedure, which does a SHOW KNOWN LINKS r called SHOW_DNET_LINKS.COM.c  & --------------010907070406010704070000 Content-Type: text/plain;a  name="SHOW_DNET_LINKS.COM"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit  Content-Disposition: inline;  filename="SHOW_DNET_LINKS.COM"s   $!+t $! SHOW_KNOWN_LINKS.COM  $!N $! A DECnet-Plus equivalent of the DECnet Phase IV "NCP SHOW KNOWN LINKS" cmd.2 $! (see also SHOW_LINKS.COM in the FREEWARE CD v4) $!
 $! <input> $! P1: I  input links only $!     O  output links only 5 $!     B  both links (default value if p1 is missing)  $!7 $! P2: any character(s) will trigger LOOP display mode.P& $! Example: $ @SHOW_KNOWN_LINKS B LOOP $! Loop exits on CTRL C. $! $! <output>  $! Display example:tO $! Known Link Volatile Summary as of 20-NOV-2001 13:00:43 on FPT306 DECnet-Pluse $!O $! PID      Local User   Remote User  Access   from/to Node    type/Port numberMP $! -------- ------------ ------------ -------- --------------- -----------------P $! 00000175 (FAL)        PIDM4X       Incoming (unknown)       NSP$PORT_00002054P $! 00000091 (REMACP)     SYSTEM       Incoming 260.259.233.250 OSI$PORT_0_006B  P $! 00000091 (REMACP)     PIDM4X       Incoming (unknown)       NSP$PORT_00002056P $! 0000019F (PHONE)      SYSTEM       Incoming LOCAL:.FPT288   NSP$PORT_00002058P $! 0000015B SYSTEM       (unknown)    Outgoing 260.259.233.250 OSI$PORT_0_006A  P $! 0000018D SYSTEM       (unknown)    Outgoing LOCAL:.FPT288   NSP$PORT_00002057 $!M $! Results have been saved in files INCOMING_LINKS.TXT and OUTGOING_LINKS.TXTm- $! (you may wish to purge these files  [:-)]   $! $! <side effects>V $! nonen $! $! <disclaimer> D $! This procedure is an eMailWare production from MORANDI & Friends.. $! http://Didier.Morandi.Free.fr/index_us.html $  set noons9 $!  mail/subj="SKL used" NL: smtp%"Didier.Morandi@gmx.ch"o1 $! (you may wish to remove the two previous line)- $! $! Revision historye $!( $! Version Date        Author     actionO $! ------- ----------- ---------- ---------------------------------------------i% $! V1.0-0  19-nov-2001 DMo	  creation9 $!-7 $ on control then exit
 $ set noon  $ Oldpriv   = F$setprv("BYPASS") $ if .not. f$priv("bypass")c $ then> $    write sys$output "You need BYPASS to run this procedure." $    GOTO Exit $ endifj $ goto START $!
 $ASK_USER:0 $ inq p1 "Incoming, Outgoing or Both? (I/O/[B])" $START:e4 $ choice = f$edit(p1,"trim,upcase,collapse")			!ptz2 $ if choice .eqs. "" then choice = "B"				!defaultE $ if f$locate(choice,"IOB") .eq. 3 then goto ASK_USER		!invalid inputo $!+ ? $! Display header (to have the user wait kindly during we work)n $!-u) $ this_node = f$trnlnm("sys$node") - "::"  $ gosub GET_DECNET_VERSION# $ type/page nl:							!clear screen4	 $RESTART:r $ gosub INIT $ gosub TEMP_FILES_CLEANUP  $ gosub GET_SESSION_CONTROL_DATA! $ time = f$extract(0,20,f$time())b $ say "[H"							!home onlyN $ say "Known Link Volatile Summary as of ",time, " on ",this_node," DECnet",dv	 $ Say " "p[ $ Say "[1mPID      Local User   Remote User  Access   from/to Node    type/Port number[m"RU $ Say "-------- ------------ ------------ -------- --------------- -----------------"w $ if there_are_no_links  $ then $    say ""R% $    say "No information in database"  $    say ""-- $    if p2 .nes. "" then goto RESTART			!loopt $    GOTO Exit $ endif  $ close in_res $ close out_reswG $ if choice .eqs. "I" .or. choice .eqs. "B" then type 'in_results_file'oH $ if choice .eqs. "O" .or. choice .eqs. "B" then type 'out_results_file' $ say "[J"t* $ if p2 .nes. "" then goto RESTART			!loop  $ if choice .eqs. "I" then say -4     "Result has been saved in file ",in_results_file  $ if choice .eqs. "O" then say -5     "Result has been saved in file ",out_results_file6  $ if choice .eqs. "B" then say -P     "Results have been saved in files ",in_results_file," and ",out_results_file $ GOTO Exite $! $!__E X I T< $!  =======e $! c $ Exit:2? $   If ("''Oldpriv'".nes."")	Then $ Oldpriv = F$Setprv(OldPriv)a $   Exit $! $GET_SESSION_CONTROL_DATA: $!+rK $! This is the main loop which will gather a minimum of information on all iN $! incoming and outgoing links via DECnet Phase IV and "Phase V" (OSI), nativeO $! and "over IP". A further version of the tool will also process TCP/IP links.t $!N $! To ease development, we gather all links, then for each link we gather OSI N $! and NSP (Phase IV) data for both directions. The display will be different M $! according to the user choice (incoming, outgoing or both) at display time.a $!-h# $ define/user sys$output 'outfile1'o% $ ncl show session control port * all  $ define sys$output nl:  $ define sys$error  nl: G $ search/window=(6,7)/out='tmp_search_file' 'outfile1' "transport port"- $ status = $status $ deassign sys$output0 $ deassign sys$error5 $ if status .eqs. "%X08D78053"				!no strings matchedm $ then $    there_are_no_links = 1e $    return  $ endif  $ close/nolog ch_scl& $ open/read   ch_scl 'tmp_search_file' $!
 $LOOP_NCL: $ read/end=EOF_SCL ch_scl line3 $ if line .eqs. "" then goto LOOP_NCL			!empty line  $!+vJ $! The SEARCH gives star separated data. We find a separator, so we recordL $! the previous result we computed before we read this line, then we go back* $! to read the next set of SEARCHed lines. $!-n$ $ if f$extract(0,3,line) .eqs. "***" $ then $    gosub RECORD_RESULT $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endifr $!+  $! scan line $! ========= $!-I% $ line = f$edit(line,"trim,compress")k $!+u( $! get SCL (Session ControL) entry name. $!- % $ if f$extract(0,4,line) .eqs. "Name"f $ then, $    scl_entry = f$element(1,"=",line) - " " $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endifT $!+o $! get local user name $! =================== $!- 0 $ if f$extract(0,14,line) .eqs. "Local End User" $ then6 $    loc_user = f$element(2,"=",line) - " [0,0]" - " "6 $    if loc_user .eqs. "42" then loc_user = "(REMACP)"3 $    if loc_user .eqs. "17" then loc_user = "(FAL)" 5 $    if loc_user .eqs. "29" then loc_user = "(PHONE)"e, $!   add your favourite network objects here $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endifC $!+  $! get port number $! =============== $!-f0 $ if f$extract(0,14,line) .eqs. "Transport Port" $ then$ $    port_nr = f$element(1,"=",line)6 $    if f$locate("OSI",port_nr) .ne. f$length(port_nr)	 $    then * $       port_nr = f$element(4," ",port_nr) $       gosub GET_OSI_DATA	 $    else * $       port_nr = f$element(3," ",port_nr) $       gosub GET_NSP_DATA
 $    endif $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endifn $!+o. $! get access direction (incoming or outgoing) $! ====================g $!- * $ if f$extract(0,9,line) .eqs. "Direction" $ then, $    direction = f$element(1,"=",line) - " " $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endifp $!+l $! get remote user namee $! ====================c $!-y1 $ if f$extract(0,15,line) .eqs. "Remote End User"r $ then% $    rem_user = f$element(2,"=",line)t) $    rem_user = f$element(1,"]",rem_user)b- $    if rem_user .eqs. "]" then rem_user = ""s6 $    if rem_user .eqs. "42" then rem_user = "(REMACP)"3 $    if rem_user .eqs. "17" then rem_user = "(FAL)"e5 $    if rem_user .eqs. "29" then rem_user = "(PHONE)"  $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endifx $!+n $! get remote node namei $! ====================. $!- 0 $ if f$extract(0,14,line) .eqs. "Node Name Sent" $ thenO $    if rem_node .nes. "" then old_rem_node = rem_node	!save previous (?) value1' $    node = f$element(1,"=",line) - " "u9 $    if node .nes. "<Default value>" then rem_node = nodeD9 $!    if "''rem_node'" .nes. "''old_rem_node'" then say	-e:  !       "GET_SCL_DATA: Previous value """,old_rem_node,	-,  !       """ superceded by """,rem_node,"""" $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endife $!+e $! get local process IDa $! ====================h $!-a4 $ if f$extract(0,18,line) .eqs. "Process Identifier" $ then4 $    pid = f$element(1,"=",line) - " " - """" - """" $    goto LOOP_NCL $ endifu $!+d: $! Nothing (very) interesting, we loop to the next record. $!-S $ goto LOOP_NCL  $!	 $EOF_SCL:v $ close ch_scl $ gosub RECORD_RESULT? $ returnO $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------k $GET_OSI_DATA: $ gosub TEMP_FILES_CLEANUP# $ define/user sys$output 'outfile2'.2 $ ncl show osi transport port 'port_nr' all statusP $ search/wind=(0,0)/out='tmp_search_file' 'outfile2' "Remote RFC1006 IP Address" $ close/nolog ch_osi$ $ open/read ch_osi 'tmp_search_file' $ read ch_osi line_osi- $ line_osi = f$edit(line_osi,"trim,compress")fL $ if rem_node .nes. "" then old_rem_node = rem_node	!save previous (?) value( $ node = f$element(1,"=",line_osi) - " "6 $ if node .nes. "<Default value>" then rem_node = node6 $! if "''rem_node'" .nes. "''old_rem_node'" then say	-:  !       "GET_OSI_DATA: Previous value """,old_rem_node,	-,  !       """ superceded by """,rem_node,"""" $ close ch_osi $ returnP $!------------------------------------------------------------------------------ $GET_NSP_DATA: $ gosub TEMP_FILES_CLEANUP# $ define/user sys$output 'outfile3'n( $ ncl show nsp port 'port_nr' all status/ $ if f$search("a.a") .nes. "" then delete a.a;*o4 $ search/window=(0,2)/out=A.A 'outfile3' 'scl_entry' $ close/nolog ch_nsp $ open/read ch_nsp A.A $ read ch_nsp line_nsp $ read ch_nsp line_nsp $ read ch_nsp line_nsp- $ line_nsp = f$edit(line_nsp,"trim,compress")32 $ rem_node = f$element(4," ",line_nsp) - "(" - ")"J $ if rem_node .eqs. " " then rem_node = ""	    !missing in decnet_register $ close ch_nsp $ returnO $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------h $RECORD_RESULT:r2 $ if loc_user .eqs. "" then loc_user = "(unknown)"2 $ if rem_user .eqs. "" then rem_user = "(unknown)"2 $ if rem_node .eqs. "" then rem_node = "(unknown)"B $! if rem_node .eqs. "<Default value>" then rem_node = "(unknown)" $ if direction .eqs. "Incoming"e $ then $    write in_res	-,      pid," ",						-5      f$extract(0,12,"''loc_user'            ")," ",	-n5      f$extract(0,12,"''rem_user'            ")," ",	-e      direction," ",					-t5      f$extract(0,15,"''rem_node'            ")," ",	-t.      f$extract(0,17,"''port_nr'             ") $ else $    write out_res	-      pid," ",						-5      f$extract(0,12,"''loc_user'            ")," ",	- 5      f$extract(0,12,"''rem_user'            ")," ",	-c      direction," ",					- 5      f$extract(0,15,"''rem_node'            ")," ",	-q.      f$extract(0,17,"''port_nr'             ") $ endifl $ loc_user = ""  $ rem_user = ""0 $ old_rem_node = ""g $ rem_node = ""o $ port_nr = "" $ direction = "" $ scl_entry = "" $ returnO $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------g $INIT: $ delete = "delete"t $ ncl = "mc ncl" $ say = "write sys$output" $ search ="search"+ $ scl_entry = ""				!key to access SCL datat3 $ loc_user = ""					!local username initiating link 4 $ rem_user = ""					!remote username initiating link6 $ old_rem_node = ""				!original value for remote node4 $ rem_node = ""					!displayed value for remote node2 $ port_nr = ""					!port number (NSP$xx or OSI$xx)) $ direction = ""				!Incoming or Outgoing 2 $ there_are_no_links = 0			!flag for fancy display9 $ outfile1 = "SYS$SCRATCH:SHOW_SESSION_CONTROL_PORT.TEMP"i7 $ outfile2 = "SYS$SCRATCH:SHOW_OSI_TRANSPORT_PORT.TEMP"n- $ outfile3 = "SYS$SCRATCH:SHOW_NSP_PORT.TEMP"i= $ tmp_search_file  = "SYS$SCRATCH:TEMPORARY_SEARCH_FILE.TEMP" 5 $ in_results_file  = "SYS$SCRATCH:INCOMING_LINKS.TXT"65 $ out_results_file = "SYS$SCRATCH:OUTGOING_LINKS.TXT"  $ close/nolog in_res $ close/nolog out_rese& $ open/write in_res  'in_results_file'' $ open/write out_res 'out_results_file'a $ returnO $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------  $TEMP_FILES_CLEANUP:9 $ if f$search(outfile1) .nes. "" then delete 'outfile1';* 9 $ if f$search(outfile2) .nes. "" then delete 'outfile2';*u9 $ if f$search(outfile3) .nes. "" then delete 'outfile3';*cG $ if f$search(tmp_search_file) .nes. "" then delete 'tmp_search_file';*n $ returnO $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------------c $GET_DECNET_VERSION: $ dv = " Phase IV"G $ if f$search("sys$system:net$local_name_database.dat") .nes. "" then -r      dv = "-Plus"u $ return  ( --------------010907070406010704070000--   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 23:08:16 +01000) From: Antonio Carlini <arcarlini@iee.org>k# Subject: Re: mc ncp show known link + Message-ID: <9r9tc.630$Uy1.465@newsfe1-win>     Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:  J > Don't think so. There isn't much of a DECnet API implemented/documented.D > But at least, you have the option to get the infos out (with NCP).  2 There are examples out in the wild of getting info3 out of the DECnet Phase IV code. I cannot point youm2 at an example right now, but I suspect that either3 you'll be able to find one on the web (ISTR a DECUSn1 paper years ago ...) or someone will remember theh# facility code and find it that way.e  . Similarly there is an interface to get Phase V0 information either locally or via CMIP, but it's4 somewhat hairy and has never been published (AFAIK).   Antonio      --   ---------------i- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orge   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:01:38 +0400e From: Max Zinal <Zlat0@mail.ru>w  Subject: MONITOR DISK statistics- Message-ID: <1085590793.332951@smtp.tvcom.ru>   E We use a 2-node distributed OpenVMS (Alpha) cluster. The shared diskshC are mirrored, so in case of a single-node failure all data is stilli? available. While trying to measure the system throughput we gotcA some (IMHO) strange output from MONITOR DISK. It shows all shared' disks three times on each node:     - one for local access,,    - one for remote access via foreign node,7    - one for 'remote' access via exactly the same node!n  = I am relatively new to VMS, so maybe my opinion is naive, bute8 I really cannot understand why do we get a large bulk of8 IO going through MSCP server running on exactly the same8 node which initiated the request. Can it be some sort of6 misconfiguration that network access is used for local
 resources?  5 Well, after that the numbers are also *very* strange.r6 The number of requests made via this local MSCP server1 is 3 times larger than number of local (non-MSCP)06 requests. They event does not correlate! So can anyone7 give me any pointers for the reasons of such behaviour?a I'm really stuck here...  
 Thanks a lot, 
    Max Zinal.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:16:05 +0100n* From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>$ Subject: Re: MONITOR DISK statistics' Message-ID: <c94ipm$oqv$1@lore.csc.com>m   Max Zinal wrote: > G > We use a 2-node distributed OpenVMS (Alpha) cluster. The shared disks E > are mirrored, so in case of a single-node failure all data is stillhA > available. While trying to measure the system throughput we gotsC > some (IMHO) strange output from MONITOR DISK. It shows all sharedc! > disks three times on each node:o >    - one for local access,. >    - one for remote access via foreign node,9 >    - one for 'remote' access via exactly the same node!   C I don't really understand your question. Post a sample MONITOR DISKhE display, and also for one or more of the disks, a SHOW DEV ... / FULLnH which will show how the system accesses the disk. Also some description,> are these direct attached drives, CI, Fibre, shared SCSI ... ?     -- t? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciencesd nclews at csc dot comA   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:57:29 +0000 (UTC)s From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk) Subject: MPE to be supported on HP 9000 ? ) Message-ID: <c94vkp$asq$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>-  G Just received the latest version of the HP user group technical journalc (PING).T2 On the first page there is the following statement   "cE So, HP has revisited the possibility of enabling users to migrate theLM proprietary MPE/ix operating system and applications from the e3000 series to.G a newer platform, the HP 9000. HP has already stopped selling the e3000rG machines and had announced that support would cease at the end of 2006.e  M The e3000 occupies somewhat of a niche market and whilst this announcement isrH inevitably good news to its loyal and dedicated band of owners, the real@ significance lies in the message that HP listens to user groups! "t  A So it looks like reports of MPE's demise may have been premature.-    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 10:02:09 -0700) From: thursday@allidaho.com (jon_norstog)o) Subject: Re: New to Tru64 need assistanced< Message-ID: <f9b3265.0405260902.6e63686d@posting.google.com>   Dear Jazzy & list:   This book is pretty good  ' Tru64 Unix System Administrator's Guidep@ by Matthew Cheek (Author), Scott Fafrak (Author), Steven Hancock7 (Author), Martin Moore (Author), Gregory Yates (Author)i   as well as O'Reilly's   - Essential System Administration, 3rd Edition 0 By leen Frisch  3rd Edition August 2002  ISBN: 0-596-00343-9u  A A good starter system IMHO is the PWS 500 a or au (Miata), with a@C KZPSAxx raid controller. Hook that to a BA 356 array - get the blue-= one, and find a set of the 9.1G disks in blue hot-swap sleds.h  E Miata class machines have a PCI bus and use readily available SDRAM.  C The DEC version of the Mylex DAC 960 is the controller card to get-mE U2wide, no major problems. You can use the Mylex unit but you have tomD flash it with DEC firmware before the system firmware (SRM) will see it.c  D You can pick up a Miata on EBay for a little over $100 and the KZPSAB cards seem to go for around $25.  The best bet for the array is toD find one with all its disks - you might have to pay over $100.  Make$ sure you get the personality module.  D This site has a lot of info on setting up your array.  Read it first' so you'll know hat to look for on eBay.L  L http://h30097.www3.hp.com/docs/cluster_doc/cluster_15/TCR_HWCFG/CHNTRXXX.HTM  D An alternative would be an AlphaServer or Ultimate Workstation, bothD of which have a row or stack of hot-swap disks built into the case. C Of the two options I would go with the Ultimate workstation.  Don'to0 pay over $300 and amke sure it is full of disks.  	 good luck-   jn     > > 9 > > "Jazzy" <jackiefoster00@hotmail.com> wrote in message.; > > news:60953269.0404290545.20271758@posting.google.com... G > > > I have the following Questions for whoever is able to assist me!!e > > > @ > > > 1. I am new to tru64 and I am looking for someone that canB > > > train/tutor/transition me to the OS.  I have 8 years of unix! > > > experience with HP/Solaris.  > > >.I > > > 2. I am in the process of installing tru64 for home self  training,WG > > > can anyone recommend the best low end/afforable server.  Where toe > > > purchase?f > > >)J > > > 3.  Is there a monthly tru64 user group meeting held in Atlanta, GA?J > > > If so what is the date/time/location/fee and how does one sign up to
 > > > attend.c > > >t > > > Thanks   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 02:04:51 -0700" From: jutta.reichel@gmx.de (jutta) Subject: Re: OpenVMs Cluster; Message-ID: <ec7e473.0405260104.a68a2fa@posting.google.com>E   Hallo,   thanks a lot for your help.=   We have the problem solved. C  On the -au series Personal Workstations, the minimum OpenVMS Alpha<B  version is the V7.1-1H1 or (better) V7.1-1H2 hardware release, or7  (much better) the V7.1-2 or V7.2 "mainline" releases. A   and we have OpenVMS V.6.2.1-H3.   P With another old Workstation (DEC 400 4/233 UNIX-Workstation) I had no problems. In Cluster_config 6             CHANGE a cluster member's characteristics.2             Change a satellite's hardware address.  ) The boot-Parameter on the new satellite: l             os_type OpenVMsP             boot_dev  ewa0.*             ewa0_protocols MOP  3 The new client booted. And initialize the new Disk.	
 That's all   With best regardsO          Jutta7 -------------------------------------------------------o  L neale.hunt@hispeed.ch wrote in message news:<c90abj$cs7$1@newshispeed.ch>... > Hi again,p > 2 > additional info from the Cluster doucumentation: >  > Satellites LAN hardware	 > addressBG > Address has the form xx-xx-xx-xx-xx-xx. You must include the hyphens O
 > when you1 > specify a hardware address. Proceed as follows:5N >  On Alpha systems, enter the following command at the satellites console: >  >>> SHOW NETWORK 5 > Note that you can also use the SHOW CONFIG command.e > H > You can modify the address by running @sys$manager:cluster_config and > > select option "3 CHANGE a cluster members characteristics."@ >   Then select option "9 Change <node> satellites Ethernet or  > FDDI"hardware address. >  > > > enter your nodename an dthe ethernet address as shown below. > , > What is the nodes DECnet node name? ARIELI > What is the new hardware address [XX-XX-XX-XX-XX-XX]? 08-00-3B-05-37-78m > Updating network database...9 > The configuration procedure has completed successfully.t >  > , > That hopefully will help with the booting. >  > For reference:  W > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/DOCUMENTATION/PDF/OVMS_731_CLUSTER_SYSTEMS.PDF  > - > principles are same for your version of VMSh > J > This is VMS 7.3-1 but Example 88 Sample Interactive CLUSTER_CONFIG.COM J > Session to Change a Satellites Hardware Address should explain all you  > need.e > I > Long time since I did booting over LAN, so maybe the flags will be 0,0  6 > the system root is supplied by the network database. > 2 > section  9.4.1 Booting from a Single LAN Adapter > ! > Hope this get's you further ...  >  >   -- Neale > 
 > __ Neale >  > jutta wrote: >  > > Hallo Neale, > > ) > > the os-version is : OpenVMS V.6.2.1H3a > >  > >  > >> boot -flags 11,20000 ; > >>    or	boot -flags 11,20001 (for a conversational boot)  > > ? > > It is the same: I got the message:  .... bootstrap failure.b7 > > On the other client: boot_osflags 0,0 and it works.  > >  > > F > >>As regards firmware version, depends on the version of VMS, later I > >>versions do need a minimum level of firmware.  It may be possible to  > > >>email you a "CD image" if you are able to burn it onto CD. > > & > > I'm able to burn something onto CD > >  > >  > > Best of luck > >         Jutta  > >  > > Q > >  neale.hunt@hispeed.ch wrote in message news:<c8tgl6$ili$1@newshispeed.ch>...  > > M > >>The personal workstation should not present a problem, I had one running (1 > >>VMS prior to swapping to an Alphastation 500.t > >>F > >>As regards firmware version, depends on the version of VMS, later I > >>versions do need a minimum level of firmware.  It may be possible to s> > >>email you a "CD image" if you are able to burn it onto CD. > >>4 > >>use "show sys /noproc" to determine the version. > >> > >>Part of the problem will be5 > >> > >>  "boot_osflags 0,0",m > >> > >>  the hint here is > >>3 > >>Load Assist Parameter    = POALF2$DKA0:<SYS11.>v > >>0 > >>So the root you need to boot is "11" not "0" > >> > >>so set boot_osflags 11,0 > >>8 > >>to see what is going on in detail try the following: > >> > >>	> cJ > >>You get a blow by blow account of the boot, but I'm not sure what you * > >>will see if you get bootstrap failure. > >> > >>Best of luck > >> > >>-- Neale > >> > >>	VMS System Specialist > >> > >>jutta wrote: > >> > >>>Thanks for the answer.g > >>>o > >>>I Think we have DECnetD/ > >>>$ mc ncp list known node characteristics :s > >>>y" > >>>Remote node =   2.32 (POALF4)1 > >>>Hardware address         = 00-00-F8-75-6C-7Ft' > >>>Load file                = APB.EXEt7 > >>>Load Assist Agent        = SYS$SHARE:NISCS_LAA.EXEe4 > >>>Load Assist Parameter    = POALF2$DKA0:<SYS11.> > >>>r" > >>>Remote node =   2.33 (POALF5)1 > >>>Hardware address         = 00-00-F8-21-E3-F4 ' > >>>Load file                = APB.EXEy7 > >>>Load Assist Agent        = SYS$SHARE:NISCS_LAA.EXEa4 > >>>Load Assist Parameter    = POALF2$DKA0:<SYS12.> > >>>a > >>>poalf4 is the new node. > >>>s > >>>$ mc lancp sho client *J > >>>%LANCP-E-NORSPACP, No response from LANACP, LANACP process apparently > >>>not running/ > >>>%LANCP-E-CMDERROR, Error executing commandn > >>>rK > >>>The new Client is a digital personal workstation 433au . Perhaps it ist( > >>>not the right hardware for OpenVMS? > >>>n
 > >>>Jutta > >>> c > >>>"Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl> wrote in message news:<2h1q9oF853dlU1@uni-berlin.de>...- > >>>- > >>>-7 > >>>>"jutta" <jutta.reichel@gmx.de> schreef in bericht.< > >>>>news:ec7e473.0405190622.77145268@posting.google.com... > >>>> > >>>>; > >>>>>We have a OpenVMS (Alpha) Cluster with 4 Satellites.cJ > >>>>>One of them is defect. We took another Client with Operating SystemC > >>>>>DEC UNIX. We changed the Hardware Address on the Server with  > >>>>>Cluster_config., > >>>>>The boot parameter on the new Client: > >>>>>s > >>>>>  > >>>>>>>>os_type OpenVMS! > >>>>>>>>ew0_protocols MOP   > >>>>>>>>boot_dev ewa0.0.0.14.0 > >>>>>>>>boot_osflags 0,0 > >>>>>>>>ewa0_inet_init  bootp1" > >>>>>>>>pal VMS PALcode V1.20-14 > >>>>>>>>version V6-9-7 > >>>>>P< > >>>>>We try to boot the new Client and we got the message: > >>>>>  > >>>>>O > >>>>>>>>b	 > >>>>>T# > >>>>>boot ewa0.0.0.3.0 -flags 0,0! > >>>>>Trying MOP boot > >>>>>.... bootstrap failure$ > >>>>>e > >>>>>p  > >>>>>one of the other clients: > >>>>> " > >>>>>>>>pal  VMS PALcode V5.65.2 > >>>>>>>>version V6.9-4 > >>>>>	7 > >>>>>Do we need to do somethings more on the server ?T% > >>>>>Is the firmware the wrong one?  > >>>>>R > >>>>>Who can help us?	 > >>>>>( > >>>>>Jutta > >>>>>Jutta > >>>>> > >>>>There are two ways to boot a satellite, DECnet or LANCP.P > >>>>The MAC address of the satellite is used to figure out what SYS$SYSROOT is< > >>>>used to boot from. The MAC address is either in LANCP:0 > >>>>Have a look at the output of this command: > >>>> > >>>>$ mc lancp sho client *n > >>>>9 > >>>>or in a DECnet database, for phase IV that would be	 > >>>># > >>>>$ mc ncp list known node char"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:20:04 +0100mO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>r: Subject: Re: OpenVMS needs it:  The new desktop contender.0 Message-ID: <c94mdl$68g$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   SchroedingerzKat wrote: > >>>The more I see of certain brands of Linux advocacy the more >>>feelings of Deja Vue I get. >> >>:) n >>  >>Isn't it the way of the world? >> >>A >>I know someone who is proselytizing Slackware.  He is currently($ >>porting it to a Tadpole Alphabook. >  > P > That's interesting as those things are rare AFAIK.  I don't think tadpole made > them in years.  G They don't they make SPARC notebooks, x86 notebooks running windows and0( Sun's JDS OS and a mobile SunRay Client.   RegardsK Andrew Harrison: > 	 > Michaele >  > G >>I am happy that SuSE supports my Alpha chip based systems.  HopefullyaG >>by August, I plan to have my one AlphaServer 2000 with two 4/275 CPUs.* >>and 1GB(?) RAM back up and running SuSE. >> >>JMOD >> >> >> >> >> >> >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 27 May 2004 00:28:18 GMT1 From: schroedingerzkat@aol.com (SchroedingerzKat) : Subject: Re: OpenVMS needs it:  The new desktop contender.: Message-ID: <20040526202818.13577.00001297@mb-m06.aol.com>  > >> The more I see of certain brands of Linux advocacy the more >> feelings of Deja Vue I get. >r >:)  >  >Isn't it the way of the world?i >  >d@ >I know someone who is proselytizing Slackware.  He is currently# >porting it to a Tadpole Alphabook.-  N That's interesting as those things are rare AFAIK.  I don't think tadpole made them in years.   Michaele  F >I am happy that SuSE supports my Alpha chip based systems.  HopefullyF >by August, I plan to have my one AlphaServer 2000 with two 4/275 CPUs) >and 1GB(?) RAM back up and running SuSE.u >b >JMODe >. >  >l >h >d >w   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 07:52:40 -07001 From: keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com (Keith Parris)u= Subject: Re: Previous Post - Upgrading Cluster Communicationse= Message-ID: <cf15391e.0405260652.7866469d@posting.google.com>n  _ Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message news:<2hekl0Fb0t1eU1@uni-berlin.de>...>C > If your FDDI rings are physically being decommissioned, then oncegB > you've got the Gigabit Ethernet hooked up (and verified that SCSB > traffic is flowing successfully over it), then simply disconnect3 > the FDDI cables.  VMS is smart enough to notice, -   Correct.   > and in any case,B > would have started to use the Gigabit path in preference to FDDI	 > anyway.d  A (I'll assume we're talking 7.3 or later here.) Packet size trumpseF latency, so if you have raised NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ to use large packrts on@ FDDI, but not enabled Jumbo Packets on Gigabit Ethernet (or yourE switches can't support Jumbo Packets of at least 4474 bytes in size), F then FDDI's 4474 byte packets will be preferred over 1498 byte packets= on Gigabit Ethernet. (This falls under the Capacity factor in.6 PEDRIVER's Equivalent Channel Set selection criteria.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:39:56 +0100e* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>) Subject: Re: problem with sftp - get/mgetc, Message-ID: <c94niu$13ci@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message, news:40B4B7B5.CC5B15B5@firstdbasource.com...7 > did you try setting the file type to binary or ASCII?   T Unfortunately, sftp doesn't provide an option for ASCII transfers; it's binary only.E I suppose that doesn't preclude a VMS to VMS extension like FTP does.1    "Matthias M." wrote:s; > > What means that: "Not supported record format" exactly?a  F The VMS filesystem is record oriented; i.e. not everything is a streamC of bytes as in Unix like systems. Some magic happens under the hoodc0 making this transparent to you most of the time.  A The standard text file format is counted records. A 'Hello world'  line looks like this:    $ dir/full t.txt ..F Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 11 bytes ..   $ dump t.txt  ?  64 6C726F77 206F6C6C 6548000B ..Hello world...................u  J The trouble is, when transferring, you  need to reconstruct the filesystem= metadata at the other end. That's too hard a problem for sftp   R http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/TCP_RN/tcp_rnpro_002.html#ssh_file_problems  6 Some options: convert to Stream_LF (Unix file format).9 Use ZIP "-V" to package up and then transfer the Zipfile.Q8 Find a third-party SFTP product with fewer restrictions.  5 Converting the file to Stream_LF can be done with the	 simple Perl program ;2   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 07:55:15 GMTb- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>T) Subject: Re: problem with sftp - get/mget.@ Message-ID: <3c8edb2e8962d8a424c975a227dd9511@news.teranews.com>   "Matthias M." wrote: > sftp> get start.log=2 > ./start.log (dest): Not supported record format.
 > -- snipp --S  L You need to tell us from what type of system you are connecting to what type
 of system.M (and in the case of VMS, what product is used as TCPIP stack (TCPIP Services,H Multinet, etc)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 15:28:54 GMTL1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com>c) Subject: Re: problem with sftp - get/mget 2 Message-ID: <40B4B7B5.CC5B15B5@firstdbasource.com>  5 did you try setting the file type to binary or ASCII?E   Michael.   "Matthias M." wrote:   > Hello everyone >oA > I'm very new to OpenVMS and I've got a problem with sftp. I cannD > connect without a mistake and all commands work very well only the8 > get/mget command doesn't work. (Perhaps my mistake?!). >t
 > An Example:C >A
 > -- snipp --c >r > sftp> get start.log 2 > ./start.log (dest): Not supported record format.
 > -- snipp --- >-9 > What means that: "Not supported record format" exactly?r > D > Perhaps I use the wrong parameters? Can someone give me tipp? That > would be very nice!D >c > Thank you for your postings. >s	 > regards- >t > Matthias, Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 02:30:53 +0200s2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)) Subject: Re: problem with sftp - get/mget ; Message-ID: <40b536bd.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>v  2 Michael Austin (maustin@firstdbasource.com) wrote: > "Matthias M." wrote: > > sftp> get start.logn4 > > ./start.log (dest): Not supported record format. >h7 > did you try setting the file type to binary or ASCII?   : SFTP doesn't have that distinction. It's all binary there.   cu,    Martin -- TA                            | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!:4  UNIX is user friendly.    | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deG  It's just selective about |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/s;  who its friends are.      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 12:05:37 GMT + From: Hans Blom <hans.blom@teliasonera.com>() Subject: Re: problem with sftp - get/mget:@ Message-ID: <d4e132678ba2b58b6c8fff02fb7b760e@news.teranews.com>   Hello, fileformat of start.log?< Only stream_lf and fixed format 512 bytes records supported.   Regardsa   Hans   Martin Vorlaender wrote:4 > Michael Austin (maustin@firstdbasource.com) wrote: >  >>"Matthias M." wrote: >> >>>sftp> get start.log3 >>>./start.log (dest): Not supported record format.- >>7 >>did you try setting the file type to binary or ASCII?4 >  > < > SFTP doesn't have that distinction. It's all binary there. >  > cu,E
 >   Martin   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2004 07:42:37 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)9) Subject: Re: problem with sftp - get/mget.3 Message-ID: <Gowx6QhDedwX@eisner.encompasserve.org>(  p In article <40b536bd.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) writes:4 > Michael Austin (maustin@firstdbasource.com) wrote: >> "Matthias M." wrote:T >> > sftp> get start.log5 >> > ./start.log (dest): Not supported record format.< >>8 >> did you try setting the file type to binary or ASCII? > < > SFTP doesn't have that distinction. It's all binary there.  2    Newer implementations do have that distinction.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 13:54:02 GMTh1 From: Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> ) Subject: Re: problem with sftp - get/mget 2 Message-ID: <40B5F2F6.CAB650DD@firstdbasource.com>   Richard Brodie wrote:-  @ > "Michael Austin" <maustin@firstdbasource.com> wrote in message. > news:40B4B7B5.CC5B15B5@firstdbasource.com...9 > > did you try setting the file type to binary or ASCII?w >eV > Unfortunately, sftp doesn't provide an option for ASCII transfers; it's binary only.G > I suppose that doesn't preclude a VMS to VMS extension like FTP does.S >T >  "Matthias M." wrote:"= > > > What means that: "Not supported record format" exactly?e >"H > The VMS filesystem is record oriented; i.e. not everything is a streamE > of bytes as in Unix like systems. Some magic happens under the hoodi2 > making this transparent to you most of the time. >-C > The standard text file format is counted records. A 'Hello world'e > line looks like this:N >  > $ dir/full t.txt > ..H > Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 11 bytes > .. >	 > $ dump t.txt > A >  64 6C726F77 206F6C6C 6548000B ..Hello world...................E >tL > The trouble is, when transferring, you  need to reconstruct the filesystem? > metadata at the other end. That's too hard a problem for sftp- >-T > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732FINAL/TCP_RN/tcp_rnpro_002.html#ssh_file_problems > 8 > Some options: convert to Stream_LF (Unix file format).; > Use ZIP "-V" to package up and then transfer the Zipfile.T: > Find a third-party SFTP product with fewer restrictions. > 7 > Converting the file to Stream_LF can be done with thee > simple Perl program ;   I .. or simply   $set file <filename>/attrib=rfm=stmlf  !!  before transfersK and              $set file <filename>/attrib=rfm=var     !!  after transfer    Michaelv   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2004 11:10:01 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: problem with sftp - get/mgetn3 Message-ID: <hGAwgoDZgXKg@eisner.encompasserve.org>_  Y In article <c94niu$13ci@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:"V > Unfortunately, sftp doesn't provide an option for ASCII transfers; it's binary only.G > I suppose that doesn't preclude a VMS to VMS extension like FTP does.l  G    VMS to VMS seems to work fine with Multinet's implemented extension.   H > The VMS filesystem is record oriented; i.e. not everything is a stream# > of bytes as in Unix like systems.e  H    The VMS file system is flexible.  You can have it record oriented, or'    stream of bytes, as fits your needs.a  7 > Converting the file to Stream_LF can be done with them > simple Perl program ;   A    CONVERT will do it for you, if you don't want to fire up Perl.w   ------------------------------    Date: 27 May 2004 11:12:05 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i) Subject: Re: problem with sftp - get/mget 3 Message-ID: <eSyA15sVQpr7@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  f In article <40B5F2F6.CAB650DD@firstdbasource.com>, Michael Austin <maustin@firstdbasource.com> writes: > K > .. or simply   $set file <filename>/attrib=rfm=stmlf  !!  before transfer M > and              $set file <filename>/attrib=rfm=var     !!  after transferl >   =    Not guarranteed to work, but it's your data so you decide.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:15:27 -0500n+ From: David J Dachtera <djesys@comcast.net>f* Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge* Message-ID: <40B3EFAF.207BFB6@comcast.net>   Keith Parris wrote:N >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40A9713C.FDEE928E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...@ > > does not mini-copy depend on the write bitmaps which are, of" > > course, destroyed upon reboot? > D > At the core of the suggestion was that if you reduce the shadowsetF > down to 1 member during the shutdown, then a Merge will never occur. > F > Given that, the next issue is to minimize the impact of this change.E > Normally a Full Copy would be needed to bring the other member back E > in, which can in itself be quite time-consuming. By dismounting the(H > member and creating a write bitmap (which must of necessity be createdH > on the node which will stay up, not the node which will be shut down),H > then the work required to bring the 2nd shadowset member back into theF > shadowset is minimized, as you only have to copy the areas which theH > surviving node changes during the period of the shutdown, which should, > be minimal. This is a Mini-Copy operation.  D Interesting thought: use SYSMAN during shutdown to have (one of) theE cluster partner(s) split the shadow-set so the node MSCP serving that=D member can be shutdown. Then, at system startup time, have that same6 partner MOUNT it back in so the write bitmap is valid.   Hhmmm...  G > Acceptability of this solution depends, of course, on whether you can H > take the risk of having a non-redundant 1-member shadowset for a short > period of time., > A > I prefer a solution which allows the files to be cleanly closedr > before/during shutdown." > * > > (The o.p. was asking about rebooting a@ > > node that might be the MSCP server for a shadow-set member.) > D > I didn't get that impression from the o.p.  I might have if he had: > talked about a Copy, but he was concerned about a Merge.  C His config is LAVc with shared SCSI. It seems a logical conclusion.n  F Actually, his original question concerns how to close a file held openE by a system process (the Queue Manager) at system shutdown time so he" can get a clean DISMOUNT.o   David J Dachtera (Sig temporarily missing)_   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:16:48 -0500n+ From: David J Dachtera <djesys@comcast.net>d* Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge+ Message-ID: <40B3F000.32CB5A6B@comcast.net>=   Tom Linden wrote:t >  >   -----Original Message-----< >   From: Keith Parris [mailto:keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com]( >   Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:19 PM >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com,. >   Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge > D >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wroteA >   in message news:<40A9713C.FDEE928E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...-B >   > does not mini-copy depend on the write bitmaps which are, of$ >   > course, destroyed upon reboot? > F >   At the core of the suggestion was that if you reduce the shadowsetH >   down to 1 member during the shutdown, then a Merge will never occur. > H >   Given that, the next issue is to minimize the impact of this change.G >   Normally a Full Copy would be needed to bring the other member backnG >   in, which can in itself be quite time-consuming. By dismounting the J >   member and creating a write bitmap (which must of necessity be createdJ >   on the node which will stay up, not the node which will be shut down),J >   then the work required to bring the 2nd shadowset member back into theH >   shadowset is minimized, as you only have to copy the areas which theJ >   surviving node changes during the period of the shutdown, which should. >   be minimal. This is a Mini-Copy operation. > I >   Acceptability of this solution depends, of course, on whether you canhJ >   take the risk of having a non-redundant 1-member shadowset for a short >   period of time.d > C >   I prefer a solution which allows the files to be cleanly closedn >   before/during shutdown.m > , >   > (The o.p. was asking about rebooting aB >   > node that might be the MSCP server for a shadow-set member.) > F >   I didn't get that impression from the o.p.  I might have if he had< >   talked about a Copy, but he was concerned about a Merge. > I > That is correct Keith, this was just a node in the cluster that was not I > serving the shadow sets.  QMAN$MASTER.DAT is kept open by the node thatkG > is being shutdown, even though the queue manager runs on another node" > Here is the picture" > - >            ____________LAN_________________"- >           |        |        |             | 0 >        Node A   Node B   Node C  ...    Node K >           |        | >           |  SCSI  | >       -------------------- >       |        |         | >     SHDW X   SHDW Y    SHDW Z  > L > QUEUE MANAGER runs on Node A with Failover to B QMAN$MASTER.DAT resides on > SHDW X > L > Rebooting Node K cause the copy, unless I close the open file, which means
 > shutting > down the Queue manager.f  / ...or moving it to another node in the cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:31:15 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>* Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge6 Message-ID: <1040525230757.32308G-100000@Ives.egh.com>  , On Tue, 25 May 2004, David J Dachtera wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:: > >   > >   -----Original Message-----> > >   From: Keith Parris [mailto:keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com]* > >   Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 12:19 PM > >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg0 > >   Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge > > F > >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wroteC > >   in message news:<40A9713C.FDEE928E@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>...nD > >   > does not mini-copy depend on the write bitmaps which are, of& > >   > course, destroyed upon reboot? > > H > >   At the core of the suggestion was that if you reduce the shadowsetJ > >   down to 1 member during the shutdown, then a Merge will never occur. > > J > >   Given that, the next issue is to minimize the impact of this change.I > >   Normally a Full Copy would be needed to bring the other member backiI > >   in, which can in itself be quite time-consuming. By dismounting the L > >   member and creating a write bitmap (which must of necessity be createdL > >   on the node which will stay up, not the node which will be shut down),L > >   then the work required to bring the 2nd shadowset member back into theJ > >   shadowset is minimized, as you only have to copy the areas which theL > >   surviving node changes during the period of the shutdown, which should0 > >   be minimal. This is a Mini-Copy operation. > > K > >   Acceptability of this solution depends, of course, on whether you can-L > >   take the risk of having a non-redundant 1-member shadowset for a short > >   period of time.$ > > E > >   I prefer a solution which allows the files to be cleanly closed- > >   before/during shutdown.7 > > . > >   > (The o.p. was asking about rebooting aD > >   > node that might be the MSCP server for a shadow-set member.) > > H > >   I didn't get that impression from the o.p.  I might have if he had> > >   talked about a Copy, but he was concerned about a Merge. > > K > > That is correct Keith, this was just a node in the cluster that was nottK > > serving the shadow sets.  QMAN$MASTER.DAT is kept open by the node thatiI > > is being shutdown, even though the queue manager runs on another nodet > > Here is the picturet > > / > >            ____________LAN_________________h/ > >           |        |        |             |e2 > >        Node A   Node B   Node C  ...    Node K > >           |        | > >           |  SCSI  | > >       -------------------- > >       |        |         |! > >     SHDW X   SHDW Y    SHDW Ze > > N > > QUEUE MANAGER runs on Node A with Failover to B QMAN$MASTER.DAT resides on
 > > SHDW X > > N > > Rebooting Node K cause the copy, unless I close the open file, which means > > shutting > > down the Queue manager.D > 1 > ...or moving it to another node in the cluster.o  3 It's *already* running on another node i.e. Node A.l  C Tom - This picture makes it much clearer to me what's going on, andl I think its a bug.  > SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM shuts down both the job controller and< the queue manager, and dismounts all mounted disks.  Even if> it dismounts the disks before it shuts down the two processes,< the disk will sit in pending dismount state until they close? the last remaining files, and then the dismount should completel< cleanly.  (Shutting down the queue manager causes it to fail= over to another node, if it were actually running on the nodeM4 you are shutting down.  If not, it should be a NOP.)  ? SHUTDOWN.COM waits several times, the last for 3 seconds almoste? immediately before running opccrash, the program which actuallye shuts down the system.  @ Maybe it isn't waiting long enough?  Do you have lots of queues?? Is access to the served disk very slow due to Node A or B beingy
 very busy?  9 There is a delay in the queue shutdown, controlled by thea: logical name "SHUTDOWN$QUEUE_MINUTES"...  Maybe if this is7 set to 5 minutes, but you tell SHUTDOWN to shut down in-0 1 minute, it never shuts down the queue manager?  = Maybe you just need to bump up the wait in SHUTDOWN.COM, justt: befor it runs OPCCRASH.  (The wait there is conditional on< shutting down SMISERVER.  I don't know what determines this.< I think there is an earlier unconditional wait, not sure how
 far back.)   Anyway, what I would do is add:l  % $ show device/files DSAxx: ! disk "X"o $ wait 00:00:05 G $ show device/files DSAxx: ! again to see if any files have been closedk   just before the line:e   $run sys$system:opccrash  A (You might need to add a "$ set noon" before the "$ show device",'C if it gets dismounted during the wait and causes the "show" commandnC to produce an error.  But if this happens, then all you need is then "wait".)     -- s John SantosV Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 05:06:17 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen),* Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge3 Message-ID: <F1soWJYZzahP@eisner.encompasserve.org>-  Y In article <1040525230757.32308G-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:.  @ > SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM shuts down both the job controller and> > the queue manager, and dismounts all mounted disks.  Even if@ > it dismounts the disks before it shuts down the two processes,> > the disk will sit in pending dismount state until they closeA > the last remaining files, and then the dismount should completee> > cleanly.  (Shutting down the queue manager causes it to fail? > over to another node, if it were actually running on the noder6 > you are shutting down.  If not, it should be a NOP.) > A > SHUTDOWN.COM waits several times, the last for 3 seconds almost A > immediately before running opccrash, the program which actually  > shuts down the system. > B > Maybe it isn't waiting long enough?  Do you have lots of queues?A > Is access to the served disk very slow due to Node A or B beinge > very busy? > ; > There is a delay in the queue shutdown, controlled by the < > logical name "SHUTDOWN$QUEUE_MINUTES"...  Maybe if this is9 > set to 5 minutes, but you tell SHUTDOWN to shut down in:2 > 1 minute, it never shuts down the queue manager? > ? > Maybe you just need to bump up the wait in SHUTDOWN.COM, just < > befor it runs OPCCRASH.  (The wait there is conditional on> > shutting down SMISERVER.  I don't know what determines this.> > I think there is an earlier unconditional wait, not sure how > far back.)   Good thoughts.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 05:21:11 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)-* Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge< Message-ID: <a98cd882.0405260421.681e101@posting.google.com>  ~ "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40AAB439.B13A0704@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > Bart Zorn wrote: > > X > > The next question is thus: can I safely stop the Job Controller from SYSHUTDWN.COM ? > F > Um, you *DO* understand what the Job Controller is and what it does, > right? > . > (Not to be confused with the Queue Manager.)  C Yes, I do understand what it is. What I asked is, can I safely shuttC the JOB CONTROLLER process down from SYSHUTDWN? In other words, hasy somebody tested this?l   I will test it and report back.   	 Bart Zorna   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 09:35:14 -07002 From: mcaccavone@manfinancial.com (Mark Caccavone)* Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge= Message-ID: <c667babc.0405260835.3d386e05@posting.google.com>X  d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMEBKDEAA.tom@kednos.com>...; > I have three shadow sets on a BA356 attached to two nodess> > (7.3 and 7.3-1 alphas) If I shutdown and reboot another node: > in the cluster it causes a merge operation on the shadowC > sets, which takes 24 hours!  (74GB disks and bandwidth on BA3565)  > $ > the shutdown command I ma using isG >   SHUTDOWN == "@SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN 0 SHUTDOWN YES YES LATER NO NONE"e > ? > Now if I manually dismount the shadow sets from the node I am C > shutting down, then this doesn't happen, but in order to do that,a. > I have to stop the queue manager (open file) >  > Any suggestions? > ---n  C This is a problem that we cured since the invention of MINICOPY andnB have been using it for about 2 years now.However you do need to do things arse about face.      Example Prior to Shutdown:  F Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free 	 Trans MntaF  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks	 Count Cnt-F DSA3:                   Mounted              0  RNDATA3       25554817	  1543   2tA $1$DGA33:      (NODEA)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA3:)6A $1$DGA83:      (NODEB)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA3:)=A $1$DGA84:      (NODEB)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA3:)t  E If you wish to Shutdown NODE A - then you need to issue the followingV= command whilist logged into NODE B , else it won't work ever.   E NODEB> $DISMOUNT/POLICY=MINICOPY=OPTIONAL $1$DGA33:    !Disk is localr	 to NODE Aa  + The Shadow Set would then look like this :-p  F Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free 	 Trans Mnt F  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks	 Count Cnt F DSA3:                   Mounted              0  RNDATA3       25554817	  1543   2 A $1$DGA83:      (NODEB)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA3:)eA $1$DGA84:      (NODEB)  ShadowSetMember      0  (member of DSA3:)-  B Next you should shutdown as many tasks as possible using your siteF specific version of SYSHUTDWN.COM - and then Crash the system - either Control_P or RUN SYS$SYSTEM:OPCCRASH.EXE.  C NODE B then has the WRITE BITMAPS and when NODE A reboots the Disks E will rejoin the shadow sets without merging using the BITMAPS held by @ NODE B to rebuild the disks.However the disks will take slightly@ longer to mount as NODE A will believe they have been improperly  dismounted. This works for sure.     Mark Caccavone VMS Supportc MAN Financial IT                   ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B > Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 4/23/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 19:40:08 -0500e2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>* Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge+ Message-ID: <40B538E8.401C9266@comcast.net>-   Bart Zorn wrote: >  > "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net> wrote in message news:<40AAB439.B13A0704@NeOaSrPtAhMlNiOnWk.net>... > > Bart Zorn wrote: > > > Z > > > The next question is thus: can I safely stop the Job Controller from SYSHUTDWN.COM ? > >rH > > Um, you *DO* understand what the Job Controller is and what it does,
 > > right? > >I0 > > (Not to be confused with the Queue Manager.) > E > Yes, I do understand what it is. What I asked is, can I safely shutoE > the JOB CONTROLLER process down from SYSHUTDWN? In other words, has  > somebody tested this?l > ! > I will test it and report back.t  < I would expect it to be like any other unsupported strategy.  H Note, however, that if any thing after it in the shutdown sequence wants? to SPAWN or use a pipe, it may not work as documented/expected..   D.J.D.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 23:23:40 -0700% From: Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn)t* Subject: Re: Reboot forces Shadowset Merge= Message-ID: <a98cd882.0405262223.24d0dda7@posting.google.com>t  B The JBC$COMMAND SHUTDOWN shuts down the queue manager, not the job controller.S  D I have added a STOP/ID= to kill both the job controller and OPCOM atE the end of SYSHUTDWN. The absence of the job controller does not seemoC to be a problem. The absence of OPCOM has the effect that the finale! operator messages are not issued.    Regards,  	 Bart Zorni  r karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher) wrote in message news:<19MAY04.14502235@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>...? > In a previous article, Bart.Zorn@xs4all.nl (Bart Zorn) wrote: H > ->The next question is thus: can I safely stop the Job Controller from > _> SYSHUTDWN.COM ? > A > Sure - assuming no one needs to create any interactive or batch / > processes at this point in the shutdown. Use:t >  >  $ MCR JBC$COMMAND SHUTDOWNs > > > I used to do this when my queue files were on a shadow disk.I > SHUTDOWN.COM will do this too if it fails to stop your queues (in 7.3-2  > anyway). See the code.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 17:30:06 -0400t+ From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net>g Subject: RE: SEARCH questionA Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20040525172740.03189ec0@mail.patmedia.net>e  ( At 05:09 PM 5/25/2004, Tom Linden wrote:? >That does work, but I had to purge first.  But why do you need 1 >to append the ;*  I don't see the logic of that?   L Because "search" will search the first file it finds if you don't specify a I wildcard. Did you try using a ";0" for the version instead of ";*", that h may have also worked.y  
 Ken Robinson e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 15:16:14 -0700># From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: RE: SEARCH question9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIMEOGDEAA.tom@kednos.com>    Never mind, I get it.>     -----Original Message-----*   From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com]%   Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:09 PM 	   To: VMS.   Subject: RE: SEARCH question      @   That does work, but I had to purge first.  But why do you need2   to append the ;*  I don't see the logic of that?        -----Original Message-----F     From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]'     Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:48 PMR     To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com       Subject: Re: SEARCH question          C     In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKENJDEAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom  $     Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:     E     IIRC, the following will do it, assuming there's no more than onedJ     version of the file on each disk, or that you're OK with searching all     versions on each disk.     :     $ LOCATE:=="SEARCH ALL$DISKS:[000000]DIRECTORY.LIS;* "          --- *     Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.>     Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C     Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004o        ---w(   Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.<   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A   Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004v    ---.& Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).? Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 20:37:39 -0500>+ From: David J Dachtera <djesys@comcast.net>> Subject: Re: SEARCH question+ Message-ID: <40B3F4E3.E3BF1F95@comcast.net>>   Tom Linden wrote:l > " > In my login I have the followingF > $ DEFINE/system/nolog HERMES$DISKS DISK$OPENVMS071:,DISK$HERMES_073:C > $ DEFINE/system/nolog NORNS$DISKS  DISK$AXPSYS2:,DISK$NORNS_0731:oE > $ DEFINE/system/nolog ODIN$DISKS   DISK$ALPHA_0712:,DISK$ODIN_0731:>I > $ DEFINE/system/nolog FREJA$DISKS  DISK$AXPVMS073:,DISK$USR:,DISK$FPLI:CH > $ DEFINE/system/nolog SHADOW$DISKS DISK$COMMON:,DISK$PLI:,DISK$DECPLI:! > $ DEFINE/system/nolog ALL$DISKS.> > HERMES$DISKS,NORNS$DISKS,ODIN$DISKS,FREJA$DISKS,SHADOW$DISKS6 > $ LOCATE:=="SEARCH ALL$DISKS:[000000]DIRECTORY.LIS " > 	 > so if I  > > > $ LOCATE <name>         it only searches on the HERMES$DISKS >  > but if > 3 > $  dir  ALL$DISKS:[000000]DIRECTORY.LIS/version=1  >  > it lists them all. > 7 > why?  How do I get the search to look at all of them?e  E Hhmmm... Looks like you're going from point A to point B via point Z.e  > Depending how many files/directories there are in your system,  ' $ DIR ALL$DISKS:[000000...]filename.extr  H ...will work just as well, but will eat up more machine cycles and flush) your directory ACP caches in the process.y  D That said, I'm assuming that [000000]directory.lis on each volume is4 prepared during off-primt-time using some variant ofG DIRECTORY/NOHEAD/NOTRAIL. Yes, SEARCH would be more efficient given the  associated trade-offs.  # Another variant you might consider:A  5 $ LOCATE:=="SEARCH ALL$DISKS:[000000...]*.dir/win=0 "D  C Sort of a middle ground. It'll tell you what directory a particulari9 filename was found in, but in an unusual format, such as i   $ LOCATE MYFILEo  DISK$ODIN_0731:[USER]MYDIR.DIR;1  F If you wanted to make LOCATE into LOCATE.COM, you could use F$PAARSE()C and other "magic" to make it return the kind of filespec string you 
 would expect.-   Just some thoughts...7   ------------------------------    Date: 25 May 2004 20:38:13 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: SEARCH question= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0405251938.5f5cb15a@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEOFDEAA.tom@kednos.com>...@ > That does work, but I had to purge first.  But why do you need2 > to append the ;*  I don't see the logic of that?  C The logic is from RMS, IIAC (or IIANM). A search list is normally a.3 list of places to look for a file. When you specifye  )     SEARCH_LIST_LOGICAL_NAME:FILENAME.TYP   ? RMS will find the first matching file and pass that back to thelC calling function or whatever. When you add a wildcard character, itnF will find all matches. This is probably because RMS doesn't "know" (A,F IIANM), or care, what command is calling it. When you use the filespecD given above in the RUN command, e.g., would you want all occurrencesD of FILENAME.TYP in the search list to be run? I think not! (The sameC goes for DCL command procedures.) But when you explicitly include aeF wildcard you are explicitly asking for all versions. Hmmmm, what wouldB happen if one of the search list elements contains an ellipsis? ItF turns out that it acts the same as if a wildcard were explicitly givenB in the filespec. (However, with SEARCH there is a bug in which theF header for the second of two files is missing, at least with VMS v6.1.E Note: I tried this only for the case of ... in one of the search list D elements with two matching files. I don't know what other cases this bug might appear in.)N  B Anyway, this is how search lists are supposed to work. This is how0 SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM overridesE SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, e.g. You wouldn't want your VMS4- boot to run both of them! (Would you now? : )e  D As to why your command searches HERMES, could it be that there is noF file named DIRECTORY.LIS on DISK$OPENVMS071? Or could it be a bug like; the one above with the SEARCH output headers? Just guesses.   : Check the discussion of search lists in the User's Guide.    JMHO   >  >   -----Original Message-----F >   From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]' >   Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 2:48 PM5 >   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como  >   Subject: Re: SEARCH question >    >   C >   In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKENJDEAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom r$ >   Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: >   E >   IIRC, the following will do it, assuming there's no more than oneeJ >   version of the file on each disk, or that you're OK with searching all >   versions on each disk. >   : >   $ LOCATE:=="SEARCH ALL$DISKS:[000000]DIRECTORY.LIS;* " >    >   ---h* >   Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.> >   Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).C >   Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004u >    > --- ( > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.< > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A > Version: 6.0.680 / Virus Database: 442 - Release Date: 5/9/2004l   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 07:19:48 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: RE: SEARCH question3 Message-ID: <$EMHVr9D1pqx@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEOFDEAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:f@ > That does work, but I had to purge first.  But why do you need2 > to append the ;*  I don't see the logic of that? >   H    I assume it's because of the way search uses RMS wildcard processing.D    It would appear that having a list in a logical name used for theE    file doesn't trigger anything that search recognizes, but having a8    wildcard elsewhere does.@   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 06:45:21 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Re: SEARCH question= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0405260545.1f20669e@posting.google.com>y  Z "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<40B37D94.7060505@MMaz.com>... > Tom Linden wrote:- > # > >In my login I have the following,G > >$ DEFINE/system/nolog HERMES$DISKS DISK$OPENVMS071:,DISK$HERMES_073:cD > >$ DEFINE/system/nolog NORNS$DISKS  DISK$AXPSYS2:,DISK$NORNS_0731:F > >$ DEFINE/system/nolog ODIN$DISKS   DISK$ALPHA_0712:,DISK$ODIN_0731:J > >$ DEFINE/system/nolog FREJA$DISKS  DISK$AXPVMS073:,DISK$USR:,DISK$FPLI:I > >$ DEFINE/system/nolog SHADOW$DISKS DISK$COMMON:,DISK$PLI:,DISK$DECPLI:n" > >$ DEFINE/system/nolog ALL$DISKS? > >HERMES$DISKS,NORNS$DISKS,ODIN$DISKS,FREJA$DISKS,SHADOW$DISKSh7 > >$ LOCATE:=="SEARCH ALL$DISKS:[000000]DIRECTORY.LIS "c > > 
 > >so if I > >.8 > >$ LOCATE <name> 	it only searches on the HERMES$DISKS > >s	 > >but if- > >h4 > >$  dir  ALL$DISKS:[000000]DIRECTORY.LIS/version=1 > >  > >it lists them all.n > >a8 > >why?  How do I get the search to look at all of them? > >  c > >hF > I'm speculating, but I suspect your problem is with the construct - D > specifically, the directory and filename are not specified at the H > 'beginning but rather at the tail of the total search search so while H > SEARCH is running, it is prefixing your current default location with G > the disk drive, searching, not finding anything, and moving down the  . > list until the last device which has had the >  > [000000]DIRECTORY.LISu >  > J > suffixed. Now why HERMES is showing up rather than DECPLI, well I don't 	 > know...e > 1 > Try this, on your LOCATE symbol, change it to :u > 2 > LOCATE:==SEARCH [000000]DIRECTORY.LIS,ALL$DISKS: >  > and see if that works... >  > Barry   D This would work is you use a search list symbol instead of a logical name. For example:  " $ ALLDISKS := DISK1:,DISK2:,DISK3:) $ SEARCH [000000]DIRECTORY.LIS,'ALLDISKS'   E but you're going to get the DIRECTORY.LIS on your default disk first.    JMHO   ------------------------------    Date: 26 May 2004 05:09:00 -0700( From: m-eismann@gmx.net (Martin Eismann)A Subject: TCP/IP how to determine which process uses what IP-port?.= Message-ID: <9b3c6484.0405260409.51b06f44@posting.google.com>e   Hello!  ? How do I determine/show which processes is currently using what@D IP-port (TCP and UDP)? The Alphaserver is running OpenVMS 7.3.2 wiht HP TCP/IP Services 5.4.l   RegardsN Martin   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:44:32 +0400A: From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev{at}DeltaTelecom{dot}RU>E Subject: Re: TCP/IP how to determine which process uses what IP-port?-3 Message-ID: <854C101373A773343BBD012124999323@nntp>@   Hi ! ucx sho devs
 sho dev /fullK   Martin Eismann wrote:o   > Hello! > A > How do I determine/show which processes is currently using what F > IP-port (TCP and UDP)? The Alphaserver is running OpenVMS 7.3.2 wiht > HP TCP/IP Services 5.4.n > 	 > Regards  > Martin >    -- iF + WBR, OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker .................................+D Delta Telecom Inc., NMT-450i, IMT-MC-450(CDMA2000) cellular operatorE Russia,191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3 Cel: +7 (812) 116-3222eF +http://starlet.deltatelecom.ru ............. Frying on OpenVMS only +   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:00:00 GMTe- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> E Subject: Re: TCP/IP how to determine which process uses what IP-port?g@ Message-ID: <047962fa91e02ebdd047e7292e91a942@news.teranews.com>   Martin Eismann wrote: A > How do I determine/show which processes is currently using whateF > IP-port (TCP and UDP)? The Alphaserver is running OpenVMS 7.3.2 wiht > HP TCP/IP Services 5.4.I   $netstatR gives you a list of currently established connections and ports being listened to.  J $tcpip show device gives you an idea of what service/port a BGnn device is associated to.  Q then, from $, SHOW DEV BGxx:/full will give you the owner process of that device.M   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:29:04 +0200s2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>E Subject: Re: TCP/IP how to determine which process uses what IP-port? * Message-ID: <c941r8$1o819@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>   Martin Eismann wrote:e   > Hello! > A > How do I determine/show which processes is currently using whatnF > IP-port (TCP and UDP)? The Alphaserver is running OpenVMS 7.3.2 wiht > HP TCP/IP Services 5.4.0 > 	 > Regardsd > Martin4 The following DCL procedure produces a listing like:  K Device        Address                  Hostname              Local   Remote N --------  -----------------   ----------------------------   -----------------M   BG2482    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      (   139/  4150)nM   BG8348    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      ( 64047/  6000) M   BG8357    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      ( 64051/  6000)eM   BG8358    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      ( 64052/  6000)pM   BG8362    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      ( 64054/  6000) M   BG8363    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      ( 64055/  6000)-M   BG8375    10.184.150.214       vwagwocev53d.wob.vw.vwg      (   139/  1582)@M   BG8387    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      ( 64067/  6000)-M   BG8389    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      ( 64068/  6000)<M   BG8418    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      ( 64069/  6000) M   BG8421    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      ( 64070/  6000)yM   BG8422    10.180.153.195       vwagwocoe841.wob.vw.vwg      ( 64071/  6000)lM   BG8954    10.180.152.83        devwagwocb1280.wob.vw.vwg    (   139/  1620) M   BG8958    10.184.150.218       vwagwocev57d.wob.vw.vwg      (   139/  1696)bM   BG8968    10.180.152.36        zzw16.wob.vw.vwg             (  1023/   513)hN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------)   Total of 15 links to 5 different hosts.     ' ------------------cut------------------w $   completion_code = 1  $!  COPYRIGHT (c) 2003 BYw; $!  VOLKSWAGEN AG, WOLFSBURG, GERMANY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED.: $!++ $! Facility: $!  SHOW_IP_LINKS (START_MISC) $! $! Abstract:N $!  SHOW_IP_LINKS - get IP connections and translate IP adresses to hostnames. $!
 $! Author: $!  Cluster-Karl Rohwedder $! $! Creation Date:  4-NOV-2003l $! $! Modification History: $!-- $! $! $!__error handlers6 $   On  Error              Then $ Goto Execution_Error0 $   On  Control_Y          Then $ Goto Control_Y $! $!__verification1 $   If "''Dcl_Debug'"           Then $ Set Verifyu1 $   If "''SHOW_IP_LINKS_Debug'" Then $ Set Verify-f $   If F$Integer("''Max_Verify_Level'") .Ge. F$Environment("Depth") Then $ Tmp = F$Verify(Save_Verify) $   If "''DCL_Dlines'" $   Then DclDbg = " "s $   Else DclDbg = " !"	 $   Endife $! $!__help $   Version = "V1.0" $   Params  = "": $   Facility= F$Parse(F$Environment("Procedure"),,,"Name")) $   If F$Locate("?",P1) .Ne. F$Length(P1). $   Then! $       Ws  "Version: ''version'"e+ $       ws  "Usage: @''facility' ''params'"  $       Goto Exit 	 $   Endif  $!3 $!  ===============================================  $!__D E C L A R A T I O N Sh3 $!  ===============================================h $! $   Ws  = "Write Sys$Output" $   Lun = "SHOW_IP_LINKS_LUN"oA $   Tmpfile = "SYS$LOGIN:SHOW_IP_LINKS.TMP_" + F$Getjpi("","PID") # $   Nslookup    = "$TCPIP$NSLOOKUP"m@ $   Max_Cache   = 256   ! limit cachesize to avoid errormessages% $   Num_Links   = 0     ! count linksd. $   Num_Hosts   = 0     ! to n different hosts $!3 $!  ===============================================r $!__E X E C U T I O Ne3 $!  ===============================================o $! $!__get connections in tmpfile $   Close/NoLog 'Lun'g@ $   If (F$Search("''TmpFile'").nes."") Then $ Delete 'TmpFile';*& $   Pipe TCPIP SHOW DEVICE > 'TmpFile' $! $'DclDbg'   Type 'TmpFile' $! $!__process file3 $   Open/Error=Execution_Error/Read 'Lun' 'TmpFile'tJ $   Read/Error=Execution_Error/End=Exit 'Lun' Record    ! skip header lineV $   Ws  " Device        Address                  Hostname              Local   Remote"X $   Ws  "--------  -----------------   ----------------------------   -----------------"J $   Iaddr   = 0 ! pointer to index of stored adresse tp speed up execution $ loop: 6 $   Read/Error=Execution_Error/End=Finito 'Lun' Record= $   Record  = F$Edit(Record,"Trim,Compress,Upcase,UnComment")s8 $   If (F$Extract(0,2,Record).nes."BG") Then $ Goto Loop $ 'DclDbg'  Show Symbol Record $!% $   Device  = F$Element(0," ",Record) % $   LPort   = F$Element(2," ",Record)a% $   RPort   = F$Element(3," ",Record) % $   RAddr   = F$Element(4," ",Record)r( $   If (RAddr.eqs."*")  Then $ Goto Loop/ $   If (F$Locate(".",RAddr).eq.F$Length(RAddr))  $   Then) $       RAddr   = F$Element(5," ",Record)e0 $       If (RAddr.eqs."*")      Then $ Goto LoopD $       If (F$Locate(".",RAddr).eq.F$Length(RAddr)) Then $ Goto Loop	 $   Endif- $! $!__try to get hostnameu) $'DclDbg'   Ws  "?DEBUG, trying ''RAddr'"  $   Num_Links   = Num_Links + 1  $   GoSub   Check_Caches $   If (Hostname.eqs."#")D $   Then# $       Num_Hosts   = Num_Hosts + 1n. $       Assign/Job/NoLog "#" SHOW_IP_LINKS_LOG; $       Pipe NSLOOKUP 'RAddr' | Search Sys$Pipe "Name:" | - e           (Read Sys$Pipe Rec ; Rec = F$Element(1,":",Rec) ; assign/Job/Nolog &Rec SHOW_IP_LINKS_LOG )S& $'DclDbg'   Show Log SHOW_IP_LINKS_LOG3 $       Hostname    = F$Trnlnm("SHOW_IP_LINKS_LOG") - $       If (Hostname.eqs."") Then $ Goto LoopN $       If (Hostname.nes."#")m $       ThenQ $           If (Hostname.eqs.":")    Then $ Hostname = "          * unbekannt * "  $           Gosub   Store_Cache  $       Else $           Ws  "UNKOWN" $           Goto Looph
 $       Endifn	 $   Endiflk $   Ws  F$Fao(" !9AS !16AS !32AS (!6SL/!6SL)", Device, RAddr, Hostname, F$Integer(Lport), F$Integer(Rport))F
 $   Goto Loopb $!	 $ Finito:nX $   Ws  "------------------------------------------------------------------------------"G $   Ws  " Total of ''Num_Links' links to ''Num_Hosts' different hosts."  $   Ws  " " 
 $   Goto Exith $!3 $!  ===============================================  $!__E X I Tw3 $!  ===============================================n $! $ Execution_Error: $   ___Status = $Statusa4 $   Ws "?''Facility', Execution error: ''___Status'"! $   Ws "-''F$message(___Status)'"o $ Control_Y: $ Exit:e $   Set Noon $! $   Close/NoLog 'Lun' @ $   If (F$Search("''TmpFile'").nes."") Then $ Delete 'TmpFile';* $! $   Set Noverify= $   Tmp = "! " + F$Parse(F$Environment("Procedure"),,,"NAME")o) $   If "''Save_Verify'" Then $ Set Verifya  $   Exit 'Completion_Code' 'Tmp' $!3 $!  ===============================================  $!__C H E C K _ C A C H Eo2 $!  Checks for cache entry in HC_n = "Adress/Name"3 $!  ===============================================t $! $ Check_Cache: $   Hostname    = "#"i $! $   Itmp    = 0a $ Check_Cache_1: $   ITmp    = ITmp + 1' $   If (ITmp.gt.IAddr)  Then $ Return 1 7 $   If (F$Type(HC_'Itmp').nes."STRING") Then $ Return 1h $   Tmp     = HC_'ITmp'E" $   Tmpa    = F$Element(0,"/",Tmp)1 $   If (Tmpa.nes.RAddr) Then $ Goto Check_Cache_1r& $   Hostname    = F$Element(1,"/",Tmp) $   Return 1 $!3 $!  ===============================================  $!__S T O R E _ C A C H E ( $!  Stores in cache HC_n = "Adress/Name"3 $!  ===============================================  $! $ Store_Cache:= $   If (IAddr.ge.Max_Cache) Then $ Return 1     ! cache full?  $   Iaddr   = Iaddr + 1 ' $   HC_'Iaddr' = "''Raddr'/''Hostname'"r $   Return 1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:07:46 -0400 2 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>C Subject: Re: TCPIP Services for OpenVMS V5.4 ECO1 anti spam featuret3 Message-ID: <7p2tc.319$Ny6.985@mencken.net.nih.gov>2  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message: news:a94539516017d19bf59d3dcea61cacbf@news.teranews.com...K > Do you have a Good-Clients: definition which may encompass the bad clientr > specification?  < No Good-Clients definition at all.  Still commented out a la smtp_config.template.o  I Here is an example header edited lightly to avoid posting my wife's email * address and my server domain name at home.  # | Return-Path: Kernel@ranmamail.com 4 | Received: from navescolombia.com (200.118.109.122)= |         by my.domain.name (V5.4-15B, OpenVMS V7.2-2 Alpha);N( |        Wed, 26 May 2004 02:09:53 -0400= | Received: from ranmamail.com (ranmamail-com.mr.outblaze.com  [205.158.62.177])p@ |        by navescolombia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B907508F0G |        for <my.wife's.email.address>; Wed, 26 May 2004 06:04:39 +0400n< | Message-ID: <100101c442c5$ab465552$4001c15b@ranmamail.com>7 | From: "Mitered A. Gracelessly" <Kernel@ranmamail.com>m | To: my.wife's.email.addressd  J As you can see, the mail was relayed through 200.118.109.122 whose reverseA DNS is indeed navescolombia.com (but whose forward DNS address isiC 200.31.75.8).  Doesn't TCPIP Services look for the *client* addresslF 205.158.62.177, rather than the relay node address?  This could be theC problem because I only entered the IP address for Outblaze.com, noteK navescolombia.com.  The relay node and From: name is of course different on H every message (10/day) my wife gets, but the client IP address is always 205.158.62.something.p   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:23:30 GMTs, From: "newsnewsnews" <testing_tests@shaw.ca>& Subject: Re: The JF Mezei FAQ - 052004- Message-ID: <6w3tc.595783$oR5.51955@pd7tw3no>   , "Zachariah" <null@nada.nil> wrote in message/ news:5qc9b01hbkigf5vgep8rjci4esac59ntn7@Zack...n > newsnewsnews wrote : >  > >s/ > >"Zachariah" <null@nada.nil> wrote in messagee2 > >news:pl99b01uqo5qvvr9l91p2vlil1l8q9udts@Zack... > >> newsnewsnews wrote :s > >> > >> >G > >> >"Dave Proctor" <thadocta@SPAMBAIT.westnet.REMOVE.com.au> wrote inr message 8 > >> >news:svg4b054njl456jn2pjnt1erus3un82uc3@4ax.com...? > >> >> On Thu, 20 May 2004 20:10:02 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio ! > >> >> <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:  > >> >>i- > >> >> >6.  What does he hate about the USA?m	 > >> >> > I > >> >> >Everything!  He is part of a larger group of Canadian trolls who_ have > >a > >> >visceralL > >> >> >hatred of the USA, motivated by envy mostly.  The USA is a happier, > >> >better, moreE > >> >> >successful version of their country and they can't stand it.- > >> >>-I > >> >> This I have to disagree with. The US has its good and bad points,  > >> > > >> >The USA sucks shit.t > >l > >> Jealousy noted. > >e > >Jealous of what idiot?  > D > You're asking what idiot you're jealous of?  Try posting sober eh? >s5 > > America is a crime infested sewer with the lowesto( > >litteracy rates of any modern nation. > C > Who needs to read when every household has a dvd player and a 54"p > HDTV.k >i) > > Canadians enjoy a far better standard * > >of living on average than americans do. >hH > You only think so because we send you all our beef jerky and 3 stooges	 > videos.s  L You really are unbelievably stupid, even for american standards. The averageJ american high school graduate performs at the level of a grade 10 CanadianJ grad. america is the most hated country in the world for good reason. WhatH you idiots lack in intelligence and education, you certainly make up for# with over-confidence and arrogance.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:22:24 -0700s@ From: "Jonathan" <allspammersmustdie@becausetheyareassholes.com>& Subject: Re: The JF Mezei FAQ - 052004, Message-ID: <laudnTMSI-aDlyjdRVn-vg@look.ca>  D > You're asking what idiot you're jealous of?  Try posting sober eh? >l5 > > America is a crime infested sewer with the lowestd( > >litteracy rates of any modern nation. >aC > Who needs to read when every household has a dvd player and a 54"5 > HDTV.   E Ignoring the obvious stupidity of such a comment for a second: Do you 8 realluy think we are so stupid as to belive that's true?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 16:38:17 -0700o@ From: "Jonathan" <allspammersmustdie@becausetheyareassholes.com>& Subject: Re: The JF Mezei FAQ - 052004, Message-ID: <6pGdnfjVX7xotCjdRVn-tA@look.ca>  0 "Zachariah" <o0o0o0@o0o0o0.0o0> wrote in message2 news:c9386r$e4e$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com... > Jonathan wrote : >eG > >> You're asking what idiot you're jealous of?  Try posting sober eh?s > >>8 > >> > America is a crime infested sewer with the lowest+ > >> >litteracy rates of any modern nation.i > >>F > >> Who needs to read when every household has a dvd player and a 54"
 > >> HDTV. > > H > >Ignoring the obvious stupidity of such a comment for a second: Do you; > >realluy think we are so stupid as to belive that's true?- > >aG > Based on the numerous mis-spelled words in your reply, I'd say stupidl > would be a compliment.  + Cool. You've proven you can't count to one.h  L Resorting to pointing out typos and pretending you believe they are spelling; errors is perhaps the most sad, sorry USENET custom of all.U       >  > HTHo > HAND > FOAD   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 01:56:12 GMTe, From: "newsnewsnews" <testing_tests@shaw.ca>& Subject: Re: The JF Mezei FAQ - 052004. Message-ID: <0Vbtc.598878$oR5.499370@pd7tw3no>  0 "Zachariah" <o0o0o0@o0o0o0.0o0> wrote in message2 news:c9386r$e4e$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com... > Jonathan wrote : > G > >> You're asking what idiot you're jealous of?  Try posting sober eh?  > >>8 > >> > America is a crime infested sewer with the lowest+ > >> >litteracy rates of any modern nation.s > >>F > >> Who needs to read when every household has a dvd player and a 54"
 > >> HDTV. > >nH > >Ignoring the obvious stupidity of such a comment for a second: Do you; > >realluy think we are so stupid as to belive that's true?o > >oG > Based on the numerous mis-spelled words in your reply, I'd say stupido > would be a compliment. >a > HTHT > HAND > FOAD  G He's probably doing the typos on purpose just to draw out who the idiot J clerk mentality losers are. Any moron (even a dumb american like yourself)L can run a spell-check. The truth is that spelling isn't very important. He'sG not writing a business proposal, in which case he would hire a min wage'I clerk like you to do a spell check.......he's making a newsgroup posting.aL Anyone who equates spelling (or the absence of typos) with intelligence, has$ confirmed they are a complete idiot.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 04:45:58 GMTa- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>6. Subject: Re: Vaxstation 3100 and graphics card@ Message-ID: <976ba321851c365d46292866e3773ebd@news.teranews.com>  $ Decided to do some more tests today.  H When the vaxstation first powers up, the display shows a "normal" 4 test (eg: 5...4...3_... etc)m  , But at the end of the suite of tests, I get:   4 00D4 0001.2113  K According to the doc I have seen, the 3 is more of a warning than an error.nI And the VAX then boots (unless I halt it to do further tests). During theuK tests, the monitor briefly sees a video signal (but remains blank) and thene> video signal goes away (about 1 second worth of video signal).  K If I then do a TEST 4, the "84 FAIL" is a generic message,  one has to do amI TEST 50 to get the real values. The error code then becomes 0001.2112  (2S# being a failure) with the double ??.  M All of the doc I have seen shows a mnemonic for that device of 8PLN. However,n- on my system, it shows up as SPGFX  (V 1.3). @  0 My machine is a KA42-B V1.2 when I do a TEST 0, A but when it first powers up, it shows up as a KA42-A V1.2 !!!!!!!d     If I do the following:  J TEST 4 or TEST 80 (80 to 89 are supposed to do patterns on colour screen),F followed by UNJAM, then the monitors comes to life with a lot of blackM vertical bars on white background. (indicating that all R G and B signals areN making it to the monitor).  L I can also change the SPX card's resolution with dip switches, and the UNJAMU then will display a smaller "test pattern" on my monitor (eg: 1024*864 vs 1280*1024).)  L Is it possible that the card I have is too new (V 1.3 on the test 50 output) for a vaxstation 3100 ?     N My problem is that I do not know if I should return the unit to the vendor forL a refund, return it in exchange for another card (in case this one was bad),M or just give up on it because the SPX cards that are compatible with 3100-30ss arte just impossible to find ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:10:05 GMTA" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG3 Subject: VMS721_UPDATE-V0300, 10.5" 6250bpi Magtapef0 Message-ID: <00A326AB.44CFEE2D@SendSpamHere.ORG>  M I arrived home from Nashua, NH after close to a three week stay to a mountiane0 of USnail mail and UPS/FedEx package deliveries.  N Amongst the UPS/FedEx packages was a box from HP sent to me Priority OvernightN FedEx.  Its contents:  V721_UPDATE_V0300 (this is almost 2 yrs old is it not?)! on a 10.5" 6250 bpi 9 track tape.d  $ There are a couple of problems here:   1. I didn't request this kit. D 2. Priority overnight on the 20th when I was still in NH until 25th. 3. I no longer a 9 track drive.b 4. I've upgraded to V7.3-2  M I hope that this is no indication that future updates will arrive on magtape.    -- DB http://www.legacy-2000.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system securityC                             solutions that others only claim to be.t -- sK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              5   "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?"     ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 23:37:14 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>7 Subject: Re: VMS721_UPDATE-V0300, 10.5" 6250bpi Magtape - Message-ID: <878yfdridx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>l  " VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  ? > In article <iy5tc.2348$Cp2.569@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan. > <john.reagan@hp.com> writes: >>VAXman- wrote:  E >>> I hope that this is no indication that future updates will arrivee >>> on magtape.u  E >>Perhaps we should overnight you a tape drive?  There is a TU78 that4C >>we're about to push to the loading dock.  Maybe you can use that?e8 >>Got a massbus adapter lying around for your Alpha? :-)  A > Is the massbus adapter EISA or PCI?  What is the part number tor > order one?  I Does it have an 18 bit bit-fiddler? or is it only good for VMS updates :)e   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.r@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:01:38 +0100 * From: Nic Clews <sendspamhere@[127.0.0.1]>2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised' Message-ID: <c91mhe$osi$1@lore.csc.com>s   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Nic Clews wrote:   > >h > > ... No SAP ....g > G > Perhaps that's no great loss. The last few VMS job postings that havesJ > come my way have not mentioned SAP and supporting platforms among skills' > that are sought alongside VMS skills.e  H I disagree. It may be different elsewhere but UK wise we'd be installingG shed loads of VMS systems running SAP, if SAP was on VMS. But it isn't,d; so we install shed loads of systems that SAP does run on...d  D Customer/client just says "put me a system in to run SAP" they don'tH care if it's Solaris or VMS or Windows or ... However with no SAP, it'll
 never be VMS.e   -- n? Regards, Nic Clews a.k.a. Mr. CP Charges, CSC Computer Sciences  nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:26:40 +0100@O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>u2 Subject: Re: You'll never guess what HP advertised0 Message-ID: <c91nsh$idm$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Nic Clews wrote: > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  >>Nic Clews wrote: >  >  >>>... No SAP .... >>G >>Perhaps that's no great loss. The last few VMS job postings that haveoJ >>come my way have not mentioned SAP and supporting platforms among skills' >>that are sought alongside VMS skills.  >  > J > I disagree. It may be different elsewhere but UK wise we'd be installingI > shed loads of VMS systems running SAP, if SAP was on VMS. But it isn't,u= > so we install shed loads of systems that SAP does run on...a > F > Customer/client just says "put me a system in to run SAP" they don'tJ > care if it's Solaris or VMS or Windows or ... However with no SAP, it'll > never be VMS.r > & Exactly and it can be worse than that.  B The retail client I am working for had the option of HP or Sun forA their entire backend datacenter infrastructure. They almost chose A HP because 1 of the 70 or so applications that they required only" ran on HP-UX at the time.k  ? Sun had to guarantee that the application was ported to Solarisu> and in addition that Sun worked with the vendor to insure that? a Solaris based customer base for the app was developed so thatC4 my client wasn't the only user worldwide on Solaris.  < It is partly the responsibility of the vendor to insure that; ISV's target their platform and provide current versions ofM their apps on that OE.  7 The fact that SAP doesn't run on OpenVMS is mainly HP'sr; responsibility and is a direct result of their strategy for  their OE's including OpenVMS.i  8 Ignoring their strategy in any decisions to purchase the" OE is a mistake as I said earlier.   Regardsa Andrew Harrison:   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 20:53:58 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)6 Subject: Re: [OpenVMS VAX V7.3] Clustered Standalone ?0 Message-ID: <newscache$xt9cyh$jtm$1@news.sil.at>  V In article <Tnrsc.2157$Cy.553@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:k >In article <newscache$iac8yh$0ql1$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: ? >:I thought setting VAXCLUSTER=0 disables cluster completely !?cD >:Why do I see the (cluster) Alpha and its (MSCP served) disks on myE >:(standalone) VAXstation now (and vice versa the VAX on the Alpha) ?  >gI >  Y'all might want to check the OpenVMS FAQ, where this detail is listedpI >  in the section "How can I split up an OpenVMS Cluster?".  SpecificallytJ >  here, you will want to disable both VAXCLUSTER and NISCS_LOAD_PEA0, andJ >  you will want to reboot.  There are a few other steps listed in the FAQA >  that also could be applicable, depending on the configuration.-   Hoff  E Imagine two non-clustered stations but with the same cluster group idaF and password and the NISCS_LOAD_PEA0 (and MSCP serving) enabled. Can IM serve say a CD device from one station to the other without clustering them ?   / Yes, I know, totally unsupported, but working ?I   TIAE   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERN% Network and OpenVMS system specialisto E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 21:50:44 GMTH# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)K6 Subject: Re: [OpenVMS VAX V7.3] Clustered Standalone ?2 Message-ID: <Ui8tc.2369$Tw2.1910@news.cpqcorp.net>  i In article <newscache$xt9cyh$jtm$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:lF :Imagine two non-clustered stations but with the same cluster group idG :and password and the NISCS_LOAD_PEA0 (and MSCP serving) enabled. Can I N :serve say a CD device from one station to the other without clustering them ? :o0 :Yes, I know, totally unsupported, but working ?     Short answer:o  @   Donno.  Have fun with your experiments (and your data)...  :-)       Long answer:  ?   Y'all know how I'm going to answer such questions, don't you?r  F   I certainly wouldn't try this myself, and I'm certainly not going toG   tell you that this is supported or functional.  (It is, however, yourg   data.  Not mine.  :-)R  F   I've historically seen crashes arise in similar configurations, whenG   cluster-aware code or drivers got confused -- these crashes are rare,RC   but I've seen them.  Whether or not this particular configuration'F   works for you or it crashes for you, or if it destabilizes something2   or is quietly and safely ignored, I do not know.  F   Personally, I'd hope that remote access would be (correctly) denied.  E   I'm seeing upper-end RRD4x SCSI CD devices available on the surplusiF   market for very little money, while various new ATAPI DVD drives (8xC   DVD+R/RW, DVD-R/RW, CD-R/RW) have street prices peaking somewhererF   around US$150.   I'd get another CD or DVD drive, rather than tryingC   this unsupported and semi-cluster-served hackery, in other words.    Or I'd cluster.e  F   I know that certain MMC-level operations can get tangled, as some ofF   the operations are "stateful".  Considering only I/O arriving at theH   drive and not the larger remote-access question, read-only access withE   the standard device drivers is probably not going to get tangled atoF   the drive level, but...  I also haven't seen a TQE-capable CD or DVDE   drive, which is the other consideration for parallel shared access.h      N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqwN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.comc   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:51:16 +0200 " From: Didier Morandi <no@spam.com>+ Subject: [perso] Farewell to my VMS Friendsr. Message-ID: <c91lik$2bun$1@biggoron.nerim.net>  E 26-MAY-1986 the day when I have been fired from DEC. My professional s
 life stopped.d  - Well, I tried to make it continue, anyway :-)e  I Today, I definitely decided to give up with VMS as there is no more work lI over here in France, and European slots are getting smaller and smaller, eH and so badly paied that you cannot afford the plane ticket to come back  home every week-end.  I So, I will take a 6 month "sabbat" as we say here and learn .Net and C#. oH May be if some of you are swimming around these waters, you may meet me  there.  E I posted a message in fr.comp.os.vms to sell my VMS stuff, but noone  H answered, so I will swap the PWS600au to Linux and the AlphaStation 250 E 4/266 to I-don't-know-what. With the brand new Sony VAIO XPP 2.8 GHz OG HyperThreaded that I purchased yesterday (HyperThreaded because of the t@ RavenShield Server which will run on it :-) I think I'm all set.  D Thanks to everyone for so good a human relationship during these 21 A years, mainly to the folks from DEC 1983-1986, and to all of you    "noters" who shared my VMS life.  D I will not continue to follow cov and fcov, so, in case you want to I comment that post (one never knows) or say good bye, feel free to use my  2 address firstname dot lastname at freesurf dot fr.   Grobisou to you, Sue.i Cheers,    -- g D. aka DTL aka <GCP>_Leader     ;   Raven Shield server is: "GCP, neutralisez les hostiles !"i;   HP Hyperthreading Pentium IV 2.2 GHz system ADSL 1024/256R;   RvS demo 1.1 / Team Survival only / No Heartbeat sensors!n-                http://www.ravenshield-gcp.orge   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 09:27:35 -0700/* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>/ Subject: Re: [perso] Farewell to my VMS Friendsr2 Message-ID: <Ub6dnZnXd5DkWCndRVn-tA@mpowercom.net>  / "Didier Morandi" <no@spam.com> wrote in messageb( news:c91lik$2bun$1@biggoron.nerim.net...J > So, I will take a 6 month "sabbat" as we say here and learn .Net and C#.I > May be if some of you are swimming around these waters, you may meet mei > there. >DH I don't have the luxury of a sabbatical but my weekends and holidays areL dedicated to the same goal: .NET, Windows admin, and becoming a Microsoftie.L All good things come to an end: TOPS-20 is now in museums, and I regret thatL for VMS it's the late 1970's all over again.  I still have an old Alpha 4000L in the corner running a few apps, and a handful of customers still pay us toL keep their Alphas going, but there won't be any more upgrades in the future.K Our last VMS-only customer bought their first Windows server last month, so- the future is clear.  J Still, it doesn't hurt to hang around COV a while longer Didier, and offerL advice and opinion even if you aren't a VMSer any longer.  Think of the poorK guy just handed an admin for a VMS system, who has to depend on a level one.J PC tech in Mumbai to explain how to keep a cluster running.  COV is one of/ best resources for VMS tech support these days.I   Jack Peacock   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.293 ************************