1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 01 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 607       Contents: 1000A boot failure 1000a boot failure( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing Re: carly(tm) as book fodder How to start NTP service? ' MSL5026 Tape lib with OpenVMS & Windows 
 NFS weirdness $ Open Source Ingres coming to OpenVMS" OT: New Vulnerabilities in Solaris& Re: OT: New Vulnerabilities in Solaris& Re: OT: New Vulnerabilities in Solaris/ Q3CY2004 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product library 3 Re: Q3CY2004 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product library 3 Re: Q3CY2004 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product library 3 Re: Q3CY2004 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product library 3 Re: Q3CY2004 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product library . SHOW TIME vs. MCR SYSMAN /CLUSTER DO SHOW TIME Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert> Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert - Bayesian Filter detected spam> Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert - Bayesian Filter detected spam TCPIP NTP process NOT resident" Re: TCPIP NTP process NOT resident Re: Test of Info-VAX Re: Test of Info-VAX Re: Time Change  Re: VMS for Bush ? [OT]: carly(tm) as book fodder  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 08:04:47 -0800   From: rlf_vms@earthlink.net (RF) Subject: 1000A boot failure = Message-ID: <ccde733c.0411010804.4b229b73@posting.google.com>   2 I have a DEC Alpha 1000a that is failing to boot. ; Without being too tedious the various startup messages are:    -------------------------  probing hose 0, PCI   probing PCI-ti-EISA bridge, bus1, EISA Data in non-volatile storage is corrupt   EISA Configuration Error" Run the EISA Configuration Utility   ...  no other errors reported for   bus, memory, or disks    last message ...     Change to Normal Operating Mode. >>>  ------------------    < At this point the system does not respond to keyboard input.> I have a ECU diskette, but have no idea how to run it without 
 the keyboard.     B 2nd question: Is it possible to make a backup of the ECU diskette?> If so how? This seems to be a very critical piece of software!     Thanks,  Ransom Fitch rlf_vms  at earthlink dot net    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:07:29 GMT 5 From: "Ransom Fitch earthlnk" <rlf_vms@earthlink.net>  Subject: 1000a boot failure C Message-ID: <l3uhd.14769$KJ6.4816@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>   1 I have a DEC Alpha 1000a that is failing to boot. ; Without being too tedious the various startup messages are:    -------------------------  probing hose 0, PCI   probing PCI-ti-EISA bridge, bus1, EISA Data in non-volatile storage is corrupt   EISA Configuration Error" Run the EISA Configuration Utility   ...  no other errors reported for bus, memory, or disks    last message ...     Change to Normal Operating Mode. >>>  ------------------    < At this point the system does not respond to keyboard input.= I have a ECU diskette, but have no idea how to run it without 
 the keyboard.     B 2nd question: Is it possible to make a backup of the ECU diskette?> If so how? This seems to be a very critical piece of software!     Thanks,  Ransom Fitch rlf_vms  at earthlink dot net    apologies if this is a 2nd post    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 10:03:16 -0800 % From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing < Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0411011003.8943f4f@posting.google.com>  e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<418456B0.50177260@comcast.net>...  > David Froble wrote:  > >  > > David J Dachtera wrote:  > >  > > > DL Phillips wrote: > > > k > > >>David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<418060E4.2041BA62@comcast.net>...  > > >> > > >>J > > >>>It has, sort of. The TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS (formerly known asG > > >>>"UCX") license is now bundled with the OpenVMS base license. The N > > >>>software itself is, however, still installed separately. VMS runs quiteK > > >>>happily with no network stack installed or running. The previous two O > > >>>third-party TCP/IP products also are still around: TCPware and Multinet.  > > >>>  > > >>> K > > >>This is another example of "Nobody really understands VMS licensing".  > > >> > > > N > > > Probably more a case of "Nobody understands the difference between a PAK > > > and a license".  > > > J > > > Ask yourself, what's easier (read: "incurs less corporate expense"): > > > I > > >  1. Modify (x) to recognize the LMF entry for (y), modify catalogs, 2 > > >     SPDs, etc. to reflect the policy change. > > > J > > >  2. Send out a PAK for (x) along with the PAK for (y), no additional- > > >     charge (i.e., modify only the BOM).  > > > J > > > Recall also that a "license" is a legal concept. A PAK is a piece of > > > paper, nothing more. > > >  > > >  > > 9 > > I haven't checked pricing lately.  No reason to.  :-(  > > P > > Is TCP/IP and DECnet now included in the base price for VMS?  A seperate PAK. > > doesn't bother me, an additional fee does. > G > AFAIK, they both come bundled, but with separate PAKs (Kerry, et al -  > feel free to correct me).  >   @ Bundled would be the correct term. Unless someone can produce anB official document that says otherwise, TCP/IP and DECnet are stillF _Separately__Licensed_Products_(SLP). The manufacturer can offer SLP'sE as part of a system package, but just because you have a base license F for OpenVMS v7.3-2 it doesn't mean you are licensed for anything otherF than the things officially listed as included therein. And, license or9 not, if you don't have the *key* to the SLP it won't run.   A The OP asked if IslandCo's price of $500 for OpenVMS base license F included TCP/IP. IslandCo and HP must answer that question because the answer is system specific.  B If I'm wrong and having a base OpenVMS license does entitle one toD TCP/IP, and the UCX PAK is now meaningless, then I'll just run off a? copy of any old UCX PAK and hand it out to all of the folks who F *didn't* get a UCX (or NAS) License PAK when they bought their systemsD --- I suppose I'd limit it to those loyal followers who have kept upC on their update subscription and are running a supported version of  VMS.    -Doug   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:25:50 -0500* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>% Subject: Re: carly(tm) as book fodder = Message-ID: <E4edneZdL_bnyBvcRVn-rg@metrocastcablevision.com>   . "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message& news:U92dnS3mbPMeoRvcRVn-hA@igs.net..., > http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/beam6 > From the November 2004 issue (subscription required) ...     Her great skill, according toK > Anders, is "aspirational rhetoric." Of her time at Lucent, Anders writes, L > "She didn't really sell phone switches. She sold panoramic stories of hopeK > and progress." (Khurana writes waspishly of Fiorina's Lucent years, "Much  ofK > this 'success,' it was later revealed, was due to creative accounting and I > liberal financing of sales to consumers.") Selling panoramic stories of  hopeI > and progress worked for Ronald Reagan. It is working for Carly Fiorina.   H That's Carly in a nutshell.  It's really too bad that she hasn't put her- considerable talents to less destructive use.    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 06:09:57 -0800 % From: dterzic@hemo.net (Dejan Terzic) " Subject: How to start NTP service?= Message-ID: <3fbb7bf7.0411010609.26958839@posting.google.com>   > I have server running VMS 7.2-1 and I can't set NTP service to0 synchronize automatically. First, it didn't haveD sys$specific:[tcpip$ntp] folder, but I simply copied them from other4 systems. I made sure there tcpip$ntp_startup.com and9 tcpip$ntp_shutdown.com exist in sys$startup, and that all B tcpip$ntp*.exe files exist in sys$common:[sysexe]. When I manually2 start NTPDATE it executes. But when I try to start2 tcpip$ntp_startup.com I get the following message:$ $ @sys$startup:tcpip$ntp_startup.comF %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TCPIP$NTP_CONF has been superseded? %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TCPIP$NTP_TEMPFILE has been 
 superseded@ %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of TCPIP$NTP_RES_CHILD has been
 superseded  B And it doesn't work. If I run @sys$manager:tcpip$config and try to% start NTP service I get this message:    NTP SERVER Configuration  % Service is not defined in the SYSUAF.  Service is not enabled  )         NTP SERVER configuration options:   0                  1 - Enable service on this node  ,                 [E] - Exit NTP configuration   Enter configuration option: 1 6 %SET-F-PWDLOCKED, password is locked to prevent changeB %DCL-W-SKPDAT, image data (records not beginning with "$") ignored! Group number 3655 already exists. 8 TCPIP requires a unique group number.  Please try again. Enter UIC group number:   E Does anyone know what is the problem and what should I do to make NTP  work?    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:05:19 -0600# From: "Dan Moore" <dmoore@sosu.edu> 0 Subject: MSL5026 Tape lib with OpenVMS & Windows> Message-ID: <rcthd.81$_l2.35@newsfe10.lga.highwinds-media.com>  
 Greetings!      G We have a MSL5026 Tape library we would like to share with our windows   server:   G   a.. Drive 0 of the library is direct attached SCSI to the VMS system. J   b.. Drive 1 (and robot controller) is direct SCSI to the windows system.   c.. Drive 2,3 empty.<   d.. We are close to starting our first SAN implementation.   e.. SDLT 320 Drives K The VMS systems have used the library in "SEQENTIAL SPLIT" mode just fine.  L The drive acts like a loader, so mount/dismount loads the next tape in line  in a predictable fashion.       M Our dilemma is the MODE setting on the library. The windows backup software,  J Backup Exec, requires the mode to be "RANDOM". We switched to random mode I and discovered that VMS mount/dismounts commands will no longer load the   next tape in line on Drive 0.       F I'm reluctant to use special client/server software to backup our VMS J systems. VMS Backup has worked well for years; however, we have plenty of K capacity on this library. Currently, the VMS backups fit on one tape using  J compaction. The windows backups require about 4 tapes for a full, and one  tape for daily incrementals.      J Any ideas on how to make this work? Solutions that use SAN components are  welcome.      + Thanks in advance for you helpful comments.       	 Dan Moore    ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 16:03:42 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: NFS weirdness. Message-ID: <cm5mou$jhd$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  K Since I installed OpenVMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4, I have had the problem shown  below.    3 $ dir/sec dsa0:[vms$common.syshlp.images]compaq.gif   ) Directory DSA0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSHLP.IMAGES]   C Compaq.gif;1         [LEWIS]                          (RE,RE,RE,RE)    Total of 1 file.A $ search dsa0:[vms$common.syshlp.images]compaq.gif 2.718281828936 ' %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched  $ dir/sec dnfs2:[cd]compaq.gif   Directory DNFS2:[CD]  I Compaq.gif;1         [LEWIS]                          (RWED,RWED,RED,RED)    Total of 1 file., $ search dnfs2:[cd]compaq.gif 2.718281828936> %SEARCH-W-OPENIN, error opening DNFS2:[CD]compaq.gif; as input -RMS-E-FNF, file not found %SEARCH-E-NOFILE, no file found   ? I just installed the latest UPDATE patch and TCPIP ECO, and the > problem persists.  It was not there under 7.3-1 and TCPIP 5.3.  J DNFS2 is mounted /stru=5 /noadf.  It is hosted on a Fedora Core 1 system. 0 If I rename the file to all uppercase, it works.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:29:05 -0000 1 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) - Subject: Open Source Ingres coming to OpenVMS 1 Message-ID: <95947D70Ewspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   	 Hi Folks,   8 I've been hanging around ca.com's Ingres message boards J (http://opensource.ca.com/projects/ingres/) lately, and wanted to pass on F some news I've picked up.  Today, CA released Open Source versions of L Ingres (a relational database, for those who aren't familiar) for Linux and  Windows.  L While that does us cov'ers little good, I've also learned that they will be L open-sourcing the OpenVMS port of Ingres.  A beta is expected sometime this I year, and a full release is expected 1H 2005 (these dates are estimates).   L Soooooo... if you've got an OpenVMS box that you'd like to put into service L as a cool web platform (like me), you'll soon have all the pieces - at your  favorite (zero dollars) price:   PHP (web scripting languange)  Ingres (database)  Apache (Web server)    Cheers!    ws     --   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 11:31:35 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> + Subject: OT: New Vulnerabilities in Solaris + Message-ID: <2uml8fF2cj96lU1@uni-berlin.de>   9 The company I'm currently with also does Solaris support. 5 I'm aghast at the number of "Security Alerts from Sun ; Microsystems detailing a new vulnerability in Solaris" that 9 seem to be being issued on what appears to me pretty much 7 a weekly basis.  Just for information (I know that it's 7 really off topic for comp.os.vms, but thought that some < might like to see the "other side" - down, Bob, down ... :-); this is today's issue - I could post more of these but this  should be enough:     6 Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilities in Sun Java System Web Proxy Server Document ID: 57606 Oct 29, 2004  6 Sparse Files Written to Shared Sun StorEdge QFS or Sun> StorEdge SAM-QFSFile Systems May Contain Deleted File Contents Document ID: 57595 Oct 27, 2004  @ ...Security Vulnerabilities Involving the utempter(8) Utility... Document ID: 57658 Oct 26, 2004  9 ...Security Vulnerability in Samba May Allow Unauthorized  Root Privileges... Document ID: 57664 Oct 26, 2004  : Netscape NSS Library Vulnerability Affects Sun Java System1 Web Server and Sun Java System Application Server  Document ID: 57632 Oct 26, 2004  8 ...Security Vulnerabilities in libXpm May Allow a Remote. Unprivileged User to Execute Arbitrary Code... Document ID: 57652 Oct 20, 2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 07:30:39 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: OT: New Vulnerabilities in Solaris + Message-ID: <41862C4C.DB1511F@teksavvy.com>    Roy Omond wrote:; > ...Security Vulnerability in Samba May Allow Unauthorized  > Root Privileges...  J Perhaps Samba on VMS has the same issue, but nobody bothered to report it.  : > ...Security Vulnerabilities in libXpm May Allow a Remote0 > Unprivileged User to Execute Arbitrary Code...  J I posted this issue to comp.os.vms a couple weeks ago, got no replies. TheM announcement of this problem said that all platforms were included, including G the archaic Motif 1.2.5 which VMS still has. (where xpm support was not 7 complete, but the faulty bit was already in that code).   I When the vulnerability of the pop server on VMS was found, did you see it K written up in nice reports and disseminated to the media ? nop. It was kept  quiet.    I Remember that much of the application software on VMS comes from Unix and M suffers the same bugs as unix, with the only difference that the impact might K be lesser. This is quite different from the heydays of DIgital when VMS had N its own industry leading software that had been written for VMS by Digital and with VMS quality/standards.   N If SUN provides timely updates of known vulnerabilities, it should not be seenK as a problem with unix or solaris. It should be seen an applicatiosn having M poor quality assurance/testing, and Sun taking actions to fix those problems. K An application that requires privileges to access a user's mailbox/files on N Unix will also require similar privileges on VMS and is thus just as likely to mess things up.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 10:18:03 -0800 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)/ Subject: Re: OT: New Vulnerabilities in Solaris = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0411011018.1fdf9203@posting.google.com>   ` Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> wrote in message news:<2uml8fF2cj96lU1@uni-berlin.de>...; > The company I'm currently with also does Solaris support. 7 > I'm aghast at the number of "Security Alerts from Sun = > Microsystems detailing a new vulnerability in Solaris" that ; > seem to be being issued on what appears to me pretty much 9 > a weekly basis.  Just for information (I know that it's 9 > really off topic for comp.os.vms, but thought that some > > might like to see the "other side" - down, Bob, down ... :-)= > this is today's issue - I could post more of these but this  > should be enough:  > 8 > Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilities in Sun Java System Web > Proxy Server > Document ID: 57606 > Oct 29, 2004 > 8 > Sparse Files Written to Shared Sun StorEdge QFS or Sun@ > StorEdge SAM-QFSFile Systems May Contain Deleted File Contents > Document ID: 57595 > Oct 27, 2004 > B > ...Security Vulnerabilities Involving the utempter(8) Utility... > Document ID: 57658 > Oct 26, 2004 > ; > ...Security Vulnerability in Samba May Allow Unauthorized  > Root Privileges... > Document ID: 57664 > Oct 26, 2004 > < > Netscape NSS Library Vulnerability Affects Sun Java System3 > Web Server and Sun Java System Application Server  > Document ID: 57632 > Oct 26, 2004 > : > ...Security Vulnerabilities in libXpm May Allow a Remote0 > Unprivileged User to Execute Arbitrary Code... > Document ID: 57652 > Oct 20, 2004  A don't worry ... according to Andrew, CERTs don't mean a thing! :)   : Are you a member of the patch of the week club?  Join now!9 Just port your platform to windoze, linux or slowaris and * you are automatically registered for FREE!   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 12:01:12 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG8 Subject: Q3CY2004 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product library0 Message-ID: <00A3A369.16F7E400@SendSpamHere.ORG>  E I just sat back in my chair and looked up at a set of the more recent E OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Libraries that I have.  The last one I E have is Q2CY2004.  Considering it is now the 1st of November I should F have expected it by now.  Is/was there a shipping delay or has the UPS mislaid my set?   G Just curiosity before I elevate my blood pressure needlessly trying to  3 navigate the HP maze to find out where it might be.    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 07:18:29 -0500) From: "Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com> < Subject: Re: Q3CY2004 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product library7 Message-ID: <0Rphd.468$dj2.87637@news20.bellglobal.com>   # I haven't received mine yet either.  Scott   , <VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:00A3A369.16F7E400@SendSpamHere.ORG...G > I just sat back in my chair and looked up at a set of the more recent G > OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Libraries that I have.  The last one I G > have is Q2CY2004.  Considering it is now the 1st of November I should H > have expected it by now.  Is/was there a shipping delay or has the UPS > mislaid my set?  > H > Just curiosity before I elevate my blood pressure needlessly trying to5 > navigate the HP maze to find out where it might be.  >  > --  > > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > --  . > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:E >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software  product! > --  2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:47:16 GMT ( From: Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com>< Subject: Re: Q3CY2004 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product library2 Message-ID: <U%rhd.2014$4J5.1447@news.cpqcorp.net>  T http://www1.aclabs.com/MasterIndex/final_spl_vmsaxp_q304/final_spl_vmsaxp_q304.shtml Q304 came out in September   VAXman- wrote:G > I just sat back in my chair and looked up at a set of the more recent G > OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Libraries that I have.  The last one I G > have is Q2CY2004.  Considering it is now the 1st of November I should H > have expected it by now.  Is/was there a shipping delay or has the UPS > mislaid my set?  > I > Just curiosity before I elevate my blood pressure needlessly trying to  5 > navigate the HP maze to find out where it might be.  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 12:40:45 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.com< Subject: Re: Q3CY2004 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product libraryQ Message-ID: <OFE1E5534B.BD346528-ON85256F3F.00604BB9-85256F3F.00612486@metso.com>   6 I show the following which come from the Q3CY2004 kit:  H  AV-RN7CR-XE OPENVMS ALPHA ONLINE DOCUMENTATION LIBRARY MASTER INDEX SEP 04 (03XAAA-A8.BF01) [V7.N]G  AV-RN7DR-XE OPENVMS ALPHA SOFTWARE PRODUCT LIBRARY MASTER INDEX SEP 04  (03XAAA-A8.BF01) [V7.N] E  AV-RUE2F-TE OPENVMS ALPHA ONLINE DOCUMENTATION LIBRARY (ODL) CD-ROMS ' SEPTEMBER 2004 (GETTING STARTED) [V7.N] D  AV-RW5QA-TE OPENVMS ALPHA SOFTWARE PRODUCT LIBRARY - SEPTEMBER 2004 (WELCOME) (RBI) [V7.N]    9 VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote on 11/01/2004 07:01:12 AM:   G > I just sat back in my chair and looked up at a set of the more recent G > OpenVMS Alpha Software Product Libraries that I have.  The last one I G > have is Q2CY2004.  Considering it is now the 1st of November I should H > have expected it by now.  Is/was there a shipping delay or has the UPS > mislaid my set?  > H > Just curiosity before I elevate my blood pressure needlessly trying to5 > navigate the HP maze to find out where it might be.  >  > --> > http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security? >                       solutions that others only claim to be.  > --. > Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:E >   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software  product! > --2 > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:36:13 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG< Subject: Re: Q3CY2004 OpenVMS Alpha Software Product library0 Message-ID: <00A3A3A0.45BA7B5A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <U%rhd.2014$4J5.1447@news.cpqcorp.net>, Mark Schafer <mark.schafer@hp.com> writes: U >http://www1.aclabs.com/MasterIndex/final_spl_vmsaxp_q304/final_spl_vmsaxp_q304.shtml  >Q304 came out in September   I OK.  So I should have seen it by now.  I have contacted HP about this and I I'm paid up through the early part of next year so HP will be researching  the whereabouts of my shipment.      --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 08:29:25 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)7 Subject: SHOW TIME vs. MCR SYSMAN /CLUSTER DO SHOW TIME 1 Message-ID: <04110108292541@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   M During the time change I noticed a difference in time using certain commands.   ) My UTC was set properly across all nodes.   O For example SHOW TIME and SHOW SYSTEM reflect a standard time across all nodes: 2 ================================================== $ SHOW TIME    31-OCT-2004 07:35:15   $ SHOW SYSTEM /CLUSTER /NOPROCL OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node NODE1  31-OCT-2004 07:35:22.63  Uptime  204 20:00:47  L OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node NODE2  31-OCT-2004 07:35:22.64  Uptime  187 07:19:01  L OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node NODE3  31-OCT-2004 07:35:22.65  Uptime  204 19:31:082 ==================================================  ; But when I use SYSMAN to SHOW TIME I get different results: 2 ================================================== $ MCR SYSMAN  SYSMAN> SET ENVIRONMENT /CLUSTER+ %SYSMAN-I-ENV, current command environment: $         Clusterwide on local cluster<         Username SYSTEM       will be used on nonlocal nodes   SYSMAN> DO SHOW TIME1 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE1    31-OCT-2004 07:35:281 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE2    31-OCT-2004 07:21:251 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node NODE3    31-OCT-2004 07:21:252 ==================================================   Any reason why the difference?       John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 07:28:15 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert 3 Message-ID: <3PAfCu4JZsMS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4183D7F4.E8A081DB@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  ( > Many have mentioned how great "vi" is.  G    I was introduced to vi as the UNIX (sub)standard full screen editor.   O > Is this the same VI that isn't even quite full screen editor and requires you P > type in special key sequence to let you type text on a line otherwise all your* > keystrokes are interpreted as commands ?  H    One of the most obvious issues with the viapproach to editing is thatB    insertion of a single character requires three keystrokes.  But2    people who don't know better don't know better.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 07:30:22 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert 3 Message-ID: <whYrRPdr3Q$R@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4184160E.FC1FBA3C@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Keith Cayemberg wrote: >> VI - Corby's vi Bible) >> http://www.opus1.com/www/vi/index.html  >  > ' > Yep, that is how I had remembered it.  > J > Isn't there some mode where you can move the cursor around and type textO > anywhere you want ? Or must you escape to command mode, move cursor, then get  > back to input mode ?  F    I've worked with several vi that can do that, usually the ones thatG    recognise the arrow keys, but niether is standard and just last week !    I was forced to us hjlk again.      L    At least I learned why hjkl had arrows on them on our old ADM-3 "the dumb#    terminal" back in the late 70's.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 07:32:06 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert 3 Message-ID: <o1TfwgPn+JR9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <harris-A7F827.23453430102004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>, Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> writes: > K > vi is _NOT_ a line mode editor!  Period.  I know a line mode editors.  I  J > have used them, on ASR-33 Teletypes.  I've used them on IBM's TSO. I've J > used SOS, I've used ed, I've used ex, I've used EDT line mode dialed in G > via a TI-700 luggable terminal.  I've used real line mode editors on  K > lots of systems.  I do know the difference between a screen editor and a  G > line mode editor, and vi is most definitely _NOT_ a line mode editor.   H    Sure, that's why you have to :<enter some ed command> to get anything    done.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 06:24:12 -0800 4 From: john.powers@airwidesolutions.com (John Powers)' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert = Message-ID: <6e87f23f.0411010624.257e258c@posting.google.com>   C Sorry I keep replying to my own postings, but I am getting a lot of ? good input from some off-line lurkers, that I think ought to be  distributed.  > A more elegant solution to my original problem of the unmappedA MAIN window has been offered. Instead of using the raw native TPU > command "delete (current_buffer)", I can use the EVE-supplied ? procedure "eve$delete_buffer". This procedure does the work for @ you. It ensures that the main window is not left hanging, so youA don't have to mess around with eve$check_bad_window.  It also has ? another advantage. If the buffer was modified, it will also ask ; 'are you sure about deleting the buffer' and requires a 'D' @ to delete before continuing. You have an opportunity to quit the? revert command if you hit the wrong key, and don't want to lose  all your work!  > eve$delete_buffer has a second parameter, value TRUE or FALSE,< meaning "Do you want to update your SHOW buffer?".  We don't= care in this case - so, in its 3rd metamorphosis, here is the  final imago for eve_revert..   procedure eve_revert   local the_file; 1 the_file := get_info(current_buffer,"file_name"); - if  eve$delete_buffer (current_buffer, FALSE)  then   eve_get (the_file);  endif;  
 endprocedure;   < - and I hope my contribution to this thread is finally at an end.   - Cheers, John xx     y john.powers@airwidesolutions.com (John Powers) wrote in message news:<6e87f23f.0410290900.3df500ab@posting.google.com>... ? > After a brief off-line discussion with another TPUser, I need  > to modify my last entry..  > ? > He emailed me saying my code didn't work! I said it did and I 9 > had tested it. He said it didn't and he had tested it..  > @ > Further testing showed that whilst it works fine on my heavily@ > customised, personalised (brutalised) TPU section, it does not> > work with the straight-out-of-the-box unaltered EVE$SECTION. > @ > The problem is that the EVE_GET command is very paranoid about@ > checking if the current window is properly mapped, and if not,@ > it refuses to work. As we have deleted the current buffer, the > current window is not mapped.  > = > The fix is to use EVE's bad window check procedure entitled > > 'eve$check_bad_window' after deleting the buffer, and before> > re-getting the file. This works always - we are both agreed. >  > @ > Here is the amended version with the extra line (I still don't5 > like the name REVERT, but I'll leave that as it is.  >  >  > procedure eve_revert >  > local the_file; 3 > the_file := get_info(current_buffer,"file_name");  > delete (current_buffer); > eve$check_bad_window;  > eve_get (the_file);  >  > endprocedure;  >  > - Cheers, John >  > { > john.powers@airwidesolutions.com (John Powers) wrote in message news:<6e87f23f.0410280156.70d520f7@posting.google.com>... e > > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<418053A2.92BB2800@teksavvy.com>...  > > > John Vottero wrote: M > > > > TPU is a programming language.  EVE is an editor written in TPU.  You O > > > > probably have the source code for EVE in SYS$EXAMPLES: , take a look at R > > > > EVE$FILE.TPU and you can see how GET works and use that as a base for your > > > > own REVERT.  > > > E > > > That mentality is what led Linux Torvalds to write his own too.  > > > K > > > If we want VMS to succeed, it si the default vanilla VMS that must be S > > > improved. Just adding a sheet of paper that says "here is VMS, now spend mega S > > > hours writing your own basic features that come by defaylt with competing OS"  > > > isn't good enough. > > K > > Although there is validity in this point in general, I don't like it in G > > this particular case. There is the converse argument to this point. F > > Including loads of extra bells and whistles, in order to add everyK > > possible add-on, to give features that maybe one customer in a thousand H > > will want to use once every 2 years, to save a few seconds going theC > > long way, - this runs the risk bloating up the software like an ( > > oversized blimp, in Micros**t style. > > J > > In the real world, how many people would use this feature sufficientlyG > > often to make it worth-while for Dec to include it? One of the best I > > features of EVE, is its extendablity. Being written in TPU with fully K > > open source, you can add on the code to do this yourself, if you decide # > > you would want to use it a lot.  > > L > > And your example here is exceptionally easy. I wrote the following pieceK > > of code to do what you want in less then 3 minutes (literally -  I usedg > > a stopwatch!)b > >  > > procedure eve_revert > >  > > local the_file;t5 > > the_file := get_info(current_buffer,"file_name");s > > delete (current_buffer); > > eve_get (the_file);  > >  > > endprocedure;e > > G > > If you use this regularly, you can extend eve and save the extendedfH > > section, and it is there for you for ever. And other sites who neverK > > want this won't have it filling up their TPU sections - so everybody isS
 > > happy! > > J > > One additional point here. I don't like the name 'revert', I think youH > > need a better verb. One of the (IMO) really good features of the EVED > > commands, is that they adhered to the unofficial (undocumented?)H > > standard used in DCL of ensuring that all command verbs are uniquelyL > > defined by their first 4 letters, so you can abbreviate them. REVERT, isL > > going to clash with REVERSE (the command attached to the edt-kp5 command, > > to set the normal direction to reverse). > >  > > Cheers, John   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 15:29:25 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert-. Message-ID: <cm5kol$htv$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes in article <41803BD6.7482EE31@teksavvy.com> dated Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:22:55 -0400:DM >In the event someone is still collecting suggestions for improvements on VMS K >applications, adding a  REVERT command (and in the decwindows interfacem ar* >FILE->REVERT menu) would be very welcome.  G Just a guess, but my take on why it isn't there is because with versionCK numbers it could be ambiguous.  When a user types <DO>revert, does he mean:   D 1.  Load the same version which was used when the buffer was created8 2.  Load the last version written with the WRITE commandB 3.  Load the most recent version even if it's from another process  K >It quicker to quit and then restart editor than deleting all the text, andeH >including the file again. (recalling the originall GET command yields a0 >"buffer anme already in use" annoying message).  K The "delete buffer" command might be faster.  Then you can re-do the "get".0  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:17:48 GMTe% From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com>o' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revertuB Message-ID: <harris-F0F50F.13174701112004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>  3 In article <3PAfCu4JZsMS@eisner.encompasserve.org>,n=  koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:u  8 > In article <4183D7F4.E8A081DB@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > * > > Many have mentioned how great "vi" is. > I >    I was introduced to vi as the UNIX (sub)standard full screen editor.k > N > > Is this the same VI that isn't even quite full screen editor and requires  > > you N > > type in special key sequence to let you type text on a line otherwise all  > > your, > > keystrokes are interpreted as commands ? > J >    One of the most obvious issues with the viapproach to editing is thatD >    insertion of a single character requires three keystrokes.  But4 >    people who don't know better don't know better.  H I do know better :-)  I still use TPU/EVE several times a week, and Vim G several hours a day.  Besides, I'm not entering a single character all aG the often, and the price is not all that high, as my fingers do 90% of  I the work by pure reflex.  Again it is that "Finger Memory" thing.  All I P? think about is entering the character, the fingers do the rest.c  E But I'm not trying to convert anyone.  Why "Dis" me and other vi/Vim >* users for preferring our editor of choice?  2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 10:46:13 -0600* From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com>G Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert - Bayesian Filter detected spam Q Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F8FC@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>d   -----Original Message------ From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.orgf0 [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]' Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:32 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComfB Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert - Bayesian Filter
 detected spams    F In article <harris-A7F827.23453430102004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>, Bob# Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> writes:d > K > vi is _NOT_ a line mode editor!  Period.  I know a line mode editors.  I  J > have used them, on ASR-33 Teletypes.  I've used them on IBM's TSO. I've J > used SOS, I've used ed, I've used ex, I've used EDT line mode dialed in G > via a TI-700 luggable terminal.  I've used real line mode editors on rK > lots of systems.  I do know the difference between a screen editor and a .G > line mode editor, and vi is most definitely _NOT_ a line mode editor.   4 Am I understanding that I can run Vi/ViM on OpenVMS?( Anyone have a link on how to do this? =)    
 Thank you.  
 Michael ClarkK Network Administratorf Nemschoff Chairs Inc mclark at Nemschoff dot comr" CompTIA A+, Network+, Server+, MCP  n    A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including allSL attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:11:49 GMTo% From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com>iG Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert - Bayesian Filter detected spamhB Message-ID: <harris-8E60EE.13114801112004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>   In article hF <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F8FC@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>,,  Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> wrote:   > -----Original Message-----/ > From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.orgt2 > [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]) > Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 7:32 AM@ > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com D > Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert - Bayesian Filter > detected spam  >  > H > In article <harris-A7F827.23453430102004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>, Bob% > Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> writes:s > > M > > vi is _NOT_ a line mode editor!  Period.  I know a line mode editors.  I rL > > have used them, on ASR-33 Teletypes.  I've used them on IBM's TSO. I've L > > used SOS, I've used ed, I've used ex, I've used EDT line mode dialed in I > > via a TI-700 luggable terminal.  I've used real line mode editors on eM > > lots of systems.  I do know the difference between a screen editor and a cI > > line mode editor, and vi is most definitely _NOT_ a line mode editor.f > 6 > Am I understanding that I can run Vi/ViM on OpenVMS?* > Anyone have a link on how to do this? =) >  >  > Thank you. >  > Michael Clark  > Network Administrator- > Nemschoff Chairs Inc > mclark at Nemschoff dot com $ > CompTIA A+, Network+, Server+, MCP >  H >  > C > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including alloN > attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isN > addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,N > copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toL > intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andI > are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please J > notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenJ > immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without, > copying, distributing or disclosing same.   & http://www.vim.org/download.php#others  ' It might be on the OpenVMS freeware CD.I  2                                         Bob Harris   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 10:07:53 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)' Subject: TCPIP NTP process NOT residente1 Message-ID: <04110110075393@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>t  O I encountered a strange situation with NTP process not being resident on one ofl our servers:  ( ======================================== $ SHOW SYSTEM /PROCESS=*NTP*   - process did not exist -O  ( ======================================== So I decided to start it:r( ========================================    $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$NTP_STARTUP. %TCPIP-I-SERVEXISTS, TCPIP$NTP already started  ( ========================================& To my surprise it was already started.  So I shutdown and restarted NTP:( ========================================  ! $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$NTP_SHUTDOWND %TCPIP-I-INFO, service disabledj9 %TCPIP-I-INFO, process TCPIP$NTP_1 (pid=2291FD07) stoppedr$ %TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names deleted9 %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP.EXE deinstalleda/ %TCPIP-S-SHUTDONE, TCPIP$NTP shutdown completedv  $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$NTP_STARTUP7 %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP.EXE installedv$ %TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names created %TCPIP-I-INFO, service enabled/ %TCPIP-S-STARTDONE, TCPIP$NTP startup completedg  ( ======================================== And found it operational: ( ========================================   $ SHOW SYSTEM /PROCESS=*NTP*M OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node NODE1    1-NOV-2004 08:02:23.17  Uptime  205 20:41:45bM   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts  Pages O 228D9E2A TCPIP$NTP_1     LEF      9      441   0 00:00:00.22       715    317 N O 2292822B TCPIP$NTP_2     LEF      8      204   0 00:00:00.06       271    240 Sd  ( ========================================6 I assume that NTP should always be a resident process.   Is this not the case?.       John "REBOOT" Brandono VMS Systems Administratorl* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 18:38:25 +0200 * From: Mike Rechtman <rechtman@tzora.co.il>+ Subject: Re: TCPIP NTP process NOT resident + Message-ID: <2un74fF2c9lkoU1@uni-berlin.de>S   John Brandon wrote:c  Q > I encountered a strange situation with NTP process not being resident on one of- > our servers: > * > ======================================== > $ SHOW SYSTEM /PROCESS=*NTP* >  > - process did not exist -w > * > ======================================== > So I decided to start it: * > ======================================== > " > $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$NTP_STARTUP0 > %TCPIP-I-SERVEXISTS, TCPIP$NTP already started > * > ========================================( > To my surprise it was already started." > So I shutdown and restarted NTP:* > ======================================== > # > $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$NTP_SHUTDOWNA! > %TCPIP-I-INFO, service disablede; > %TCPIP-I-INFO, process TCPIP$NTP_1 (pid=2291FD07) stopped1& > %TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names deleted; > %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP.EXE deinstalledd1 > %TCPIP-S-SHUTDONE, TCPIP$NTP shutdown completed " > $ @SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$NTP_STARTUP9 > %TCPIP-I-INFO, image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP.EXE installedo& > %TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names created  > %TCPIP-I-INFO, service enabled1 > %TCPIP-S-STARTDONE, TCPIP$NTP startup completed  > * > ======================================== > And found it operational: * > ======================================== >  > $ SHOW SYSTEM /PROCESS=*NTP*O > OpenVMS V7.2-1  on node NODE1    1-NOV-2004 08:02:23.17  Uptime  205 20:41:45oO >   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts  Pages0Q > 228D9E2A TCPIP$NTP_1     LEF      9      441   0 00:00:00.22       715    317 NIQ > 2292822B TCPIP$NTP_2     LEF      8      204   0 00:00:00.06       271    240 SF > * > ========================================8 > I assume that NTP should always be a resident process. >  > Is this not the case?a >  >  >  > John "REBOOT" Brandond > VMS Systems Administratore, > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com  D IIRC SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$NTP_STARTUP checks for a logical name in the  TCPIP$STARTUP_TABLE.H If for some reason a previous NTP startup (or shutdown) bombed and left F the logical name wrongly defined, you would see the "already started"  message.   Mike   -- aJ New to Usenet? read http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~rechtman/post_hlp.htmE --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.wD Mike Rechtman                                 *rechtman@tzora.co.il*C    "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"hE ---------------------------------------------------------------------o   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 07:39:41 GMTm2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> Subject: Re: Test of Info-VAXb? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-HyTh86ZDsMkI@dave2_os2.home.ours>p  0 On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:53:50 UTC, Paddy O'Brien $ <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote:   > Regards, Paddy >    Hi PaddyB                     been a while, still doing things electric? :-)  / To get back on topic, you got through to c.o.v.e   -- f Cheers - Dave W.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 20:14:38 +1100b4 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> Subject: Re: Test of Info-VAXb/ Message-ID: <4185FE7E.1020108@transgrid.com.au>n   Dave Weatherall wrote:2 > On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:53:50 UTC, Paddy O'Brien & > <paddy.o'brien@tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote: >  >  >>Regards, Paddy >> >  > 
 > Hi PaddyD >                     been a while, still doing things electric? :-) > 1 > To get back on topic, you got through to c.o.v.  >  Replying to you and DJD.  A Firstly, yep I'm still a programmer for our electrical utility's tF technical programs, and still admin of our remaining VMS boxes in our F local area of engineers.  This is why c.o.v (via Info-VAX) has always G been valuable to me.  And sometimes I believe I have been able to help rH others.  (I'm 60 next year, so considering retirement DEC [or Compaq or 
 HP :-)] 2005)o  G A year ago I wrote via JF, one of those I could get to because our org oD suddenly lost reverse dns lookup, which Mark so correctly uses.  In H fact, our contractors were so lax that ownership of our domain with the 6 ISP was still in the name of the previous contractors.  I It has taken us 18 months to persuade our org via their contractors that .I they are in contravention of RFC 1912.  Ironically they have always used i* reverse DNS lookup to stop spam coming in.  A We were starting to find so many organisations that we could not .< contact.  Some like Mark just dropped us, others did bounce.  I I have been able to receive, but from an old address.  I have today been nG able (once I found the test worked) to unsubscribe from my old address p and subscribe with my new one.  H I'm looking forward to being active again, both to ask and hopefully be 
 able to help.    Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************t  C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privilegedo> and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and adviseyB the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.s  A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid nA immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the i= individual sender except where the sender expressly and with eC authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  TransGrid usesb> virus-scanning software but excludes any liability for viruses contained in any attachment.  < Please note the email address for TransGrid personnel is now$ firstname.lastname@transgrid.com.au"  G ***********************************************************************    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 07:40:44 -0600o; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)2 Subject: Re: Time Change3 Message-ID: <WACwvISVvhaU@eisner.encompasserve.org>l  _ In article <a14deb10.0410291605.3c51f31f@posting.google.com>, ckchiu@hotmail.com (Bill) writes:aF > We are running OpenVMS 7.2-1.  I have to manually change the TDF andF > system time twice a year for the Standard Time/Daylight Savings TimeB > change.  Should the system be able to handle this automatically?  H    Yes, but it never has.  There are disagreements on just how it should	    do it.'  H    If you load and start almost any time service that will take care of '    it for you.  We use Multinet's XNTP.v  H    There are sample DCL .COM files that you can submit to batch to do it    for you.i  G    There are programs that will take advantage of undocumented featuresC;    of the time keeping code in the kernel to do it for you.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2004 07:37:10 -0600l; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)t Subject: Re: VMS for Bush ?A3 Message-ID: <9yu4vOaw92cU@eisner.encompasserve.org>I  g In article <JTRgd.33018$Qs6.2241353@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:d > O > There is a strange thing going on in the world today; the majority of people SN > seem to have less religion in their lives than the same number did 50 years  > ago. t      Says who?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 08:39:15 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: [OT]: carly(tm) as book fodderb, Message-ID: <U92dnS3mbPMeoRvcRVn-hA@igs.net>  * http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/beam4 From the November 2004 issue (subscription required)  
 The Boardroom,   Books About Schnooks  6 They are the very models of the modern chief executive by Alex Beam   ......  J A few women have broken through the proverbial glass ceiling, but only oneK has had two books written about her: Carly Fiorina, the chairman and CEO ofoJ the Palo Alto-based Hewlett-Packard. Fiorina, who in 1999 was drafted intoK the top job at HP on the strength of a puffy 1998 Fortune cover story about J her work at Lucent, faced a bitter proxy fight in 2001 launched by HewlettI and Packard family members who opposed her decision to merge with Compaq.eL The prevailing climate of business scandal didn't help her case. Fiorina wasJ looking like a loser in the fight, George Anders writes in Perfect Enough:5 Carly Fiorina and the Reinvention of Hewlett-Packard.y  E Like a senator running for President, Fiorina was cursed with insideroF status. Many large pension funds decided to vote against her, in fact,; because she enjoyed the support of HP's board of directors.-  D No one wants her or his achievements belittled by the conversationalH asterisk "because she is a woman" or "because he is black." Reading bothG Anders's book and Peter Burrows's Backfire: Carly Fiorina's High-StakeseJ Battle for the Soul of Hewlett-Packard, I would have to rate Fiorina's sexH as something of a wash as regards her career. She is not a technologist,H like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, but that's hardly unusual; many CEOs hailK from the ranks of marketing or corporate law. Her great skill, according toCI Anders, is "aspirational rhetoric." Of her time at Lucent, Anders writes,oJ "She didn't really sell phone switches. She sold panoramic stories of hopeL and progress." (Khurana writes waspishly of Fiorina's Lucent years, "Much ofI this 'success,' it was later revealed, was due to creative accounting andPL liberal financing of sales to consumers.") Selling panoramic stories of hopeG and progress worked for Ronald Reagan. It is working for Carly Fiorina.t  H There is plenty of evidence that Fiorina is uncomfortable trading on herK sex. For example, Burrows quotes her former University of Maryland Business K School dean as saying that Fiorina was not interested in helping him set upoL an M.B.A. course specifically for women: "She doesn't play any of the genderL games. If you perform well, you can't be denied." But she is smart, and willH use the system however she needs to. Once, after Lucent had taken over aI particularly rambunctious computer company, Fiorina appeared onstage withAA socks stuffed into her trousers, to reassure her new charges thatoL "[Lucent's] balls were as big as anyone's" in corporate America. I notice onK HP's Web site that six of the thirteen (bad luck-fire someone immediately!)rL members of Fiorina's "executive team" are women-a very high percentage for a Fortune 50 company.s  L Membership in the CEO elite has its privileges, and Fiorina is not squeamishC about claiming them. Like Ken Lay, she has a thing for Gulfstreams;-H Hewlett-Packard invested $56 million in two G-IVs a few months after sheJ took over the company. At the time of her hiring, according to Anders, sheG asked HP to pay to move her yacht from the East Coast to the West Coast.L through the Panama Canal. "Just sell the boat," an HP director told her, and eventually she did.V  L  Rakesh Khurana downplays the importance of "charismatic CEOs" like Fiorina,? who, he argues, perform no better or worse than run-of-the-millD' clock-punchers in the long run.  ......-     begin 666 1pt.gifO9 J1TE&.#EA`0`!`(#_`,# P ```"'Y! $`````+ `````!``$`0 $!,@`[( `T endT   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.607 ************************