1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 02 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 609       Contents:) Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit ( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing/ Re: ComputerWorld: OpenVMS Survives and Thrives   DS10L license units and transfer Re: How to start NTP service? + Re: MSL5026 Tape lib with OpenVMS & Windows ( Re: Open Source Ingres coming to OpenVMS  Postponing a decwindows callback( Re: Samba 2.2.8 for OpenVMS, new release( Re: Samba 2.2.8 for OpenVMS, new release Re: Time Change  Re: Time Change  Re: Time Change  Re: Time Change  Re: Time Change  Re: VMS for Bush ? Re: VMS for Bush ? Re: VMS for Bush ?< Re: [OT]: No publication tests and writes about VMS this way  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:50:21 +0100I From: Miguel Angel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Us=F3n?= Finkenzeller <mauf2@unizar.es> 2 Subject: Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit3 Message-ID: <l03110707bdad8c837b9b@[155.210.90.37]>   1 >Yours is 30 Celcius. Pretty hot! (86 Fahrenheit)  > G >I think around 90 degrees F it will shutdown. Or it it more than that?   H Well, the Alpha 255's uptime is now 7 01:36. I still do not know why, or why not.  7 I know, this uptime will not reach the Guinness Book...   G The chip is certainly not at 30 centigrade. You can touch the huge heat F sink, but I would not leave my finger on it for a long while. Besides,I operating temperature is specifiad as +10 to +40 centigrades (+50 to +104  Farenheit).     J As always, it has changed (all by itself) to winter time (it is at versionB 7.1, but I think this feature was already available at the initialF v6.2-1H3. The change probably takes places at once, not along 1 hour'sG time, but it does not need to ask for your comfirmation (as the Windows - machines around: VMS knows it is doing right.   J BTW, when overhauling the station, I was surprised (almost shocked) to seeH a big 1x1 inch chip with the name Intel on it. I never thought the AlphaJ could be "Intel inside". But it is, probably, the NLA0: device (guaranteed
 efficiency!).      Regards    Miguel Angel Uson    ------------ Dept. of Inorganic Chemistry University of Zaragoza
 E-50009 SPAIN    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2004 08:00:47 -0800 % From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing = Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0411020800.4dc66891@posting.google.com>   \ David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message news:<4186A66B.8040505@tsoft-inc.com>... > DL Phillips wrote: > D > > Bundled would be the correct term. Unless someone can produce anF > > official document that says otherwise, TCP/IP and DECnet are stillJ > > _Separately__Licensed_Products_(SLP). The manufacturer can offer SLP'sI > > as part of a system package, but just because you have a base license J > > for OpenVMS v7.3-2 it doesn't mean you are licensed for anything otherJ > > than the things officially listed as included therein. And, license or= > > not, if you don't have the *key* to the SLP it won't run.  > > E > > The OP asked if IslandCo's price of $500 for OpenVMS base license J > > included TCP/IP. IslandCo and HP must answer that question because the > > answer is system specific. > > F > > If I'm wrong and having a base OpenVMS license does entitle one toH > > TCP/IP, and the UCX PAK is now meaningless, then I'll just run off aC > > copy of any old UCX PAK and hand it out to all of the folks who J > > *didn't* get a UCX (or NAS) License PAK when they bought their systemsH > > --- I suppose I'd limit it to those loyal followers who have kept upG > > on their update subscription and are running a supported version of  > > VMS. >  > P > There's a difference between what's sold now, and how it's sold, and existing Q > licenses sold in the past.  A license sold in the past will forever be what it  L > is/was when it's sold.  Just because HP might sell a license today, which Q > includes license rights to TCP/IP, DECnet, or anything else, in no way affects   > any license sold in the past.  >   @     I agree, but I'd like to think that paying the money for theA update subscription and keeping the OS at the current level would C entitle you to consider your license as current as one just freshly  bought.     P > Notice that I'm not saying that they do sell it in such a manner today.  That Q > was my question, to which I haven't yet seen a reply that I'd feel comfortable  $ > with if I was planning a purchase. >   D     As I said, licenses are system specific. When you ask the price,C ask what licenses are included. Other than from HP, there's usually " some negotiation allowed in price.  K > Now, if HP were to publically announce that any VMS base license was now  P > entitled the holder to also use another product along with that base license, R > (or however they wanted to word it), and that PAKs could be had for the asking, O > or some small fee, that would be different than what's being discussed above.  >  > Dave  <     I doubt that more than a couple of people at HP actually= understand OpenVMS licensing and they're probably on vacation   (holiday) or out with the flu;-)    -Doug   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:22:35 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 8 Subject: Re: ComputerWorld: OpenVMS Survives and Thrives2 Message-ID: <vnPhd.2127$vo7.1352@news.cpqcorp.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: - > ComputerWorld: OpenVMS Survives and Thrives   E The article in Datamation was quite positive, but Datamation is only  F web-based these days. So this very positive article, in a print-media I publication with wide circulation and readership and a strong reputation  < in the computer industry, is a very encouraging development.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:41:36 +0000 E From: Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com> ) Subject: DS10L license units and transfer . Message-ID: <4187B8C0.B5C8BCED@baesystems.com>  B I'm trying to get a DS10L 617MHz onsite to add to our VMS cluster,E possibly replacing an AlphaStation 255 300MHz. I'll have to buy a new D VMS licence but I don't really understand the licence system for the0 layered products required to cluster the system.  + At present the Alphastation 255/300 shows:-    $ show lic/units,   VMS/LMF Charge Information for node ######:   This is a AlphaStation 255/300, hardware model type 1262>   Type: A, Units Required: 15     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)6   Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server);   Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User) 7   Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation) F   Type: E, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)8   Type: F, * Not Permitted *      (VAX Layered Products),   Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved):   Type: H, Units Required: 1050   (Alpha Layered Products)4   Type: I, Units Required: 1050   (Layered Products)D The existing system has 1050 units of VMSCLUSTER and NET-APP-SUP-200  ( A DS10L 466MHz at HP Test Drive shows :-   $ show lic/units,   VMS/LMF Charge Information for node SPE202>   This is a AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz, hardware model type 1839>   Type: A, Units Required: 15     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited or Base)6   Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server);   Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User) 7   Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation) F   Type: E, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)8   Type: F, * Not Permitted *      (VAX Layered Products),   Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved):   Type: H, Units Required: 1050   (Alpha Layered Products)4   Type: I, Units Required: 1050   (Layered Products)  B So both systems require 1050 units and take the same licence types' other than for the initial VMS licence.   B Does a DS10L 617MHz also require 1050 licence units? (HP only list$ DS10L in their table so I guess so)   ? Does all this imply that as the existing 255/300 is part of the E cluster that the (non VMS base) licences can just be entered into the ' DS10L 617MHz to cluster the new system?    Tim    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2004 05:07:53 -0800 % From: dterzic@hemo.net (Dejan Terzic) & Subject: Re: How to start NTP service?= Message-ID: <3fbb7bf7.0411020507.2b13967d@posting.google.com>   @ I made a log what is happening when I run tcpip$ntp_startup.com:   $ ! ( $ ! File name:	    TCPIP$NTP_STARTUP.COM6 $ ! Product:        Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS $ ! Version:        V5.3-01  $ ! 2 $ ! Copyright 2002 Compaq Computer Corporation $ !: $ ! COMPAQ Registered in U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. $ ! F $ ! Confidential computer software.  Valid license from  Compaq $ ! orF  authorized sublicensor required for possession, use  or $ ! copying. 1 Consistent with FAR 12.211 and 12.212, Commercial ? $ ! Computer Software,   Computer Software Documentation,   and C $ ! Technical Data for Commercial Items  are  licensed  to  the $ ! ; U.S. Government under vendor's standard commercial license.  $ !  $     gosub set_dclcmds  $ set_dclcmds: $     call     := call $     close    := close  $     copy     := copy $     create   := create $     deassign := deassign $     define   := define $     delete   := delete $     exit     := exit $     gosub    := gosub  $     inquire  := inquire  $     install  := install  $     open     := open $     pipe     := pipe $     purge    := purge  $     read     := read $     rename   := rename $     return   := return $     search   := search $     set      := set  $     show     := show $     start    := start  $     stop     := stop $     type     := type $     wait     := wait $     write    := write  $     return $     set noon( $     set symbol /scope=(nolocal,global)' $     on control_y then goto abort_exit . $     serv_proc	  = f$environment("procedure")< $     serv_id     = f$parse(serv_proc,,,"name") - "_STARTUP"F $     serv_nam	  = f$parse(serv_proc,,,"name") - "TCPIP$" - "_STARTUP"G $     serv_privs  = f$edit("cmkrnl,netmbx,oper,sysnam,sysprv","upcase") J $     serv_tailor = f$edit("sys$startup:TCPIP$NTP_systartup.com","upcase")A $     serv_upinfo = " 2-NOV-2004 13:59:16.35  User: DEJAN       "  $ ! $ $ ! get startup procedure parameters $ !  $ get_parameters: 5 $     tcpip$param_loginfo == f$edit(p1,"trim,upcase")  $ !  $ ! check if network is started  $ !  $ check_network:) $     if .not. f$getdvi("_bg0:","exists")  $     endif  $ & $     if .not. f$getdvi("_bg0:","mnt") $     endif  $ ! - $ ! check license needed to start service $ !  $ check_license:+ $     if f$type(tcpip$license_run) .eqs. ""  $     endif  $   $     if .not. tcpip$license_run $     endif  $ ! ' $ ! check if service is already started  $ !  $ check_startup: $     serv_startup =@ f$trnlnm("TCPIP$NTP_started","tcpip$startup_table",,"executive") $     if serv_startup .nes. "" $     endif  $ ! . $ ! set privileges needed to start service $ ! $ set_privileges: ' $     prev_privs = f$setprv(serv_privs) & $     if .not. f$privilege(serv_privs) $     endif  $ !  $ ! install and tailor service $ !  $ install_service:> $     define /table=tcpip$startup_table/executive_mode/nolog -F 	  TCPIP$NTP_started "Started:  2-NOV-2004 13:59:16.35  User: DEJAN       "6 %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGTAB, no logical name table name match $9 $     image = f$edit("sys$system:tcpip$ntp.exe","upcase") 1 $     call install_image SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP$NTP.EXE " "cmkrnl,log_io,oper,setprv,sysprv" $ install_image: subroutine  $     set noon $     status = 1 $ ' $     p1 = p1 - f$parse(p1,,,"version")  $  $     if f$search(p1) .eqs. ""
 $     else* $	  if .not. f$file_attributes(p1,"known")	 $	  endif  $     endif  $  $     exit status  $     if .not. $status $     endif  $ , $     if f$trnlnm("tcpip$ntp_conf") .eqs. "" $     endif  $ 0 $     if f$trnlnm("tcpip$ntp_tempfile") .eqs. "" $     endif  $ 1 $     if f$trnlnm("tcpip$ntp_res_child") .eqs. ""  $     endif  $ : $     call log_info "%TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names created" $ log_info: subroutine $     set noon $ A $     if (tcpip$param_loginfo .eqs. "") .or. (tcpip$param_loginfo  .nes. "QUIET")
 $     then; $	  write sys$output "%TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names created" $ %TCPIP-I-INFO, logical names created $     endif  $  $     exit 1 $ ' $     if f$search(serv_tailor) .nes. ""  $     endif  $ !  $ ! enable service $ !  $ enable_service:  $     tcpip enable service NTPD %TCPIP-E-STARTERROR, error starting NTP service -SYSTEM-F-DEVACTIVE, device is active $     if .not. $status
 $     thenA $	  tcpip$serv_fail == "TCPIP-E-ENABLERR, error enabling service"  $	  goto error_exit 
 $ error_exit:  $     serv_status = %x10000002F $     write sys$output "%TCPIP-E-STARTFAIL, failed to start TCPIP$NTP"- %TCPIP-E-STARTFAIL, failed to start TCPIP$NTP B $     write sys$output "-TCPIP-E-ENABLERR, error enabling service") -TCPIP-E-ENABLERR, error enabling service  $     goto exit  $ exit: - $     if f$type(tcpip$param_loginfo) .nes. "" 
 $     then- $	  delete /symbol/global tcpip$param_loginfo  $     endif  $ ) $     if f$type(tcpip$serv_fail) .nes. "" 
 $     then) $	  delete /symbol/global tcpip$serv_fail  $     endif  $ $ $     if f$type(prev_privs) .nes. ""
 $     then% $	  prev_privs = f$setprv(prev_privs)  $     endif  $  $     exit serv_status   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2004 11:26:06 GMT < From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)4 Subject: Re: MSL5026 Tape lib with OpenVMS & Windows0 Message-ID: <cm7qse$6t1$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  W In article <pJAhd.9170$Om6.4986@bignews5.bellsouth.net>, <ksrich@bellsouth.net> writes:  > / >"Dan Moore" <dmoore@sosu.edu> wrote in message 9 >news:rcthd.81$_l2.35@newsfe10.lga.highwinds-media.com... 
 >> Greetings!  >> >> >>I >> We have a MSL5026 Tape library we would like to share with our windows 
 >> server: >>J >>   a.. Drive 0 of the library is direct attached SCSI to the VMS system.M >>   b.. Drive 1 (and robot controller) is direct SCSI to the windows system.  >>   c.. Drive 2,3 empty. ? >>   d.. We are close to starting our first SAN implementation.  >>   e.. SDLT 320 DrivesM >> The VMS systems have used the library in "SEQENTIAL SPLIT" mode just fine. I >> The drive acts like a loader, so mount/dismount loads the next tape in  >line  [...]   H >You can use MRU which should have come with the Library.  Add the robot	 >commands L >in the backup command procedure to load and unload the correct tape.  I use >it all the time.   I Please note that the robot controller is connected to the Windows system.  So MRU won't work.  L The problem here is almost unsolvable. Either the Windows box or the VMS boxN control the loader and send the relevant commands to switch tapes. It might beM possible to send commands from both hosts, but this depends completely on the N library. In any case you need a way to synchronize both boxes. You could writeK a script that checks the status of drive 0 regularly. As soon as the device G is unloaded the box that controls the loader should start the necessary 
 movements.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann    --  E  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot de   D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.html    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:56:26 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> 1 Subject: Re: Open Source Ingres coming to OpenVMS 8 Message-ID: <8pueo0loge4ef6g91ef0gmi8nev1p1lqm3@4ax.com>  O On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 17:29:05 -0000, wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer)  wrote:  
 >Hi Folks, > 9 >I've been hanging around ca.com's Ingres message boards  K >(http://opensource.ca.com/projects/ingres/) lately, and wanted to pass on  G >some news I've picked up.  Today, CA released Open Source versions of  M >Ingres (a relational database, for those who aren't familiar) for Linux and  	 >Windows.  > M >While that does us cov'ers little good, I've also learned that they will be  M >open-sourcing the OpenVMS port of Ingres.  A beta is expected sometime this  J >year, and a full release is expected 1H 2005 (these dates are estimates). > M >Soooooo... if you've got an OpenVMS box that you'd like to put into service  M >as a cool web platform (like me), you'll soon have all the pieces - at your   >favorite (zero dollars) price:  >  >PHP (web scripting languange) >Ingres (database) >Apache (Web server) >  >Cheers! >  >ws   M It's good news about Open Source Ingres on OpenVMS but don't forget you don't L have to wait to deploy your cool web platform as MySQL the very capable freeH Open Source database already available for OpenVMS. Many of the cool webN applications already available expect a combination of Apache, MySQL & PHP (or PERL or Python).   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 05:33:48 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ) Subject: Postponing a decwindows callback , Message-ID: <41876262.BA3F5A2E@teksavvy.com>  J Consider an editor where multiple functions can result in the need to warnJ used that his has unsaved changes and ask if he wants to save them or not.   How does one deal with this ?    Example: Button to create new file.- Command line command to quit or open new file  File->Quit menu   H Each of these result in a different callback being called with differentL callback structure that is dependant on the type of widget. We'll call those the "original callback".  I However, each original callback will have code to first check for unsaved L changes before proceeding with their respective code. If unsaved changes areG detected, they pop up a warning dialogue and then the original callback B returns without executing any of its originally intended function.  M The user can then press YES or NO in the dialogue and this can then trigger a F callback which can then either save or not the contents of the buffer.  	 QUESTION:   N How does that last callback, triggered by the "Do you want to save the changesI ? YES/NO" dialogue, get the original callback to be requeued with all its  original arguments ?    H Or is the only way to add another loop inside each of those callbacks toJ contain the execution of the "save ?yes/"no"  dialogue inside the original callback context ?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2004 08:26:40 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 1 Subject: Re: Samba 2.2.8 for OpenVMS, new release 3 Message-ID: <7Gd3Y4a+AMLb@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <41870609.222DA0CF@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > G > Please elucidate. How does the o.s. version effect compilation? (Lest C > anyone forget, the process many people think of as "compiling" is G > actually a two-stage process: Source code gets "translated" to object ; > code. Object code, while architecture-specific, should be  > o.s.-version-agnostic.  D    From time to time new features provided by the OS get used by theB    languages.  It's usually in the RTL implementation and therefor>    invisisible to the object files, but I don't think anything.    guarrantees it won't show up at that level.  D    Also new features in the OS or RTL are likely to be supported by D    include files and such, and references to them will compile just F    fine on the latest version, but wouldn't compile on older versions      with the older include files.  F    For example, ANSI added DATE_AND_TIME to Fortran to help deal with C    the fact that DATE returns 2 digit years.  Your current Fortran  G    compiler will assume DATE_AND_TIME is an intrinsic procedure unless  K    you tell it otherwise.  If you try to link an object from that compiler  >    on an old enough version of VMS the Fortran RTL won't have A    DATE_AND_TIME so you'll get a link error to a reference with a &    name similar to DFOR$DATE_AND_TIME.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 18:15:21 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>1 Subject: Re: Samba 2.2.8 for OpenVMS, new release 2 Message-ID: <cm8ji1$v9c$1@blackmamba.itd.rl.ac.uk>  ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:41870609.222DA0CF@comcast.net...   I > Well, o.k., but understand that "DOCBOOK for Dummies" will be a project . > unto istelf. For example, what is "DOCBOOK"?  F DocBook was a good old-fashioned non-WYSIWYG document markup language,M filling a somewhat similar niche to VAX Document. Then it met a whole raft of K powerful and incomprehensible friends, with names all beginning with X like  XML, XSL, XSLT and XYZZY...   " Stay tuned for the next <chapter>.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:08:13 GMT 3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)  Subject: Re: Time Change2 Message-ID: <xpNhd.2106$N47.2098@news.cpqcorp.net>  e In article <RIBgd.32133$R05.26886@attbi_s53>, brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes:   I >Not until you upgrade to V7.3 (at least).  A new SYSGEN parameter called M >AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV comes into play to assist in "automatic" spring forward/fall  >back operations.  > O >I notice that there is no such SYSGEN parameter for VAX/VMS V7.3.  Is there an  >automatic mechanism for VAX?    No.  Alpha and I64 only.   --  J       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:52:47 GMT 5 From: brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton)  Subject: Re: Time Change/ Message-ID: <j3Ohd.347223$3l3.309362@attbi_s03>   h In article <xpNhd.2106$N47.2098@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:f !In article <RIBgd.32133$R05.26886@attbi_s53>, brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: !snip!P !>I notice that there is no such SYSGEN parameter for VAX/VMS V7.3.  Is there an !>automatic mechanism for VAX? !  !No.  Alpha and I64 only.  !   G BTW - this turned out to be a non-issue, since my hobbyist machines run M TCPware.  The mechanism worked without a hitch - no intervention necessary on  VAX.   !-- K !      Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USA G !          (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying) K !      All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.  !   J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" K bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 07:51:51 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Time Change( Message-ID: <opsgug0pxpzgicya@hyrrokkin>  3 On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 15:08:13 GMT, Charlie Hammond   $ <hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com> wrote:  J > In article <RIBgd.32133$R05.26886@attbi_s53>, brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org    > (Bradford J. Hamilton) writes: > K >> Not until you upgrade to V7.3 (at least).  A new SYSGEN parameter called D >> AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV comes into play to assist in "automatic" spring   >> forward/fall  >> back operations.  >>J >> I notice that there is no such SYSGEN parameter for VAX/VMS V7.3.  Is   >> there an  >> automatic mechanism for VAX?  >  > No.  Alpha and I64 only. > & Will that also be true for 8.2 on VAX?       --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 08:32:46 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Time Change( Message-ID: <opsguiwwpgzgicya@hyrrokkin>  3 On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 16:30:17 GMT, Charlie Hammond   $ <hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com> wrote:  H >>>> Not until you upgrade to V7.3 (at least).  A new SYSGEN parameter   >>>> called D >>>> AUTO_DLIGHT_SAV comes into play to assist in "automatic" spring >>>> forward/fall  >>>> back operations.  >>>>J >>>> I notice that there is no such SYSGEN parameter for VAX/VMS V7.3.  Is
 >>>> there an ! >>>> automatic mechanism for VAX?  >>>  >>> No.  Alpha and I64 only. >>> ) >> Will that also be true for 8.2 on VAX? D > It is highly unlikely that this mechanism will ever be implemented > for OpenVMS VAX.  E Might make your CHARON-VAX users unhappy.  Wouldn't have thought that H it anything to do with the underlying platform on which VMS was running.   --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2004 12:34:37 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Time Change3 Message-ID: <9VxmgrL3JXLj@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <opsguiwwpgzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: > G > Might make your CHARON-VAX users unhappy.  Wouldn't have thought that J > it anything to do with the underlying platform on which VMS was running.  F    Indirect.  It actually has to due with DEC's silly decision to keepC    two source trees when they did the port to Alpha.  A mistake not !    repeated for the port to IA64.   G    I suspect the great majority of VMS customers are quite happy to let F    their IP stack take care of it so there'll never be enough customer.    demand to justify porting this code to VAX.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:27:06 -0500) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>  Subject: Re: VMS for Bush ? : Message-ID: <52Lhd.10508$dj2.458371@news20.bellglobal.com>  I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:9yu4vOaw92cU@eisner.encompasserve.org... K > In article <JTRgd.33018$Qs6.2241353@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck"    > <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes: >>I >> There is a strange thing going on in the world today; the majority of  	 >> people I >> seem to have less religion in their lives than the same number did 50   >> years >> ago.  > 
 >   Says who?  > 6 I heard it from the pulpit (I'm Evangelical Lutheran).  H It seems this drop is more prevalent in industrial cultures. It is also I believed that the attendance statistics in the Western hemisphere may be  D actually lower than the published numbers (e.g. some churches count K membership; if a member moves on to another church then that member may be  H counted more than once. Some churches count occasional attendance which K includes once-a-month or less; Some attendance figures come from telephone   samples)   Neil   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2004 07:58:52 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: VMS for Bush ? 3 Message-ID: <I1HtNazgFIkX@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <52Lhd.10508$dj2.458371@news20.bellglobal.com>, "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> writes:  8 > I heard it from the pulpit (I'm Evangelical Lutheran).  A    I disagree.  I wonder where he (she?) got his info?  Declining E    attendance?  Some general poll?  Just an off-the-cuff observation?    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:42:12 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS for Bush ? 0 Message-ID: <00A3A448.BEDCE880@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <eztm1fF1f1iz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes:^ >In article <cm63tr$pn8$1@newslocal.mitre.org>, lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) writes:J >> Cut Terry some slack on this.  Under certain circumstances US media areL >> *required* to sell advertising space to political candidates who want it. > K >At HPworld, Terry had a "VietNam Vet against Kerry" or something like that 9 >button. Don't think I got into politics with Ken Farmer.  > F >There's three things that shouldn't be discussed in public; Religion,! >Politics, and the Great Pumpkin.    ...and all 3 are a sham. --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 17:18:42 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> E Subject: Re: [OT]: No publication tests and writes about VMS this way 2 Message-ID: <SjPhd.2126$vo7.1866@news.cpqcorp.net>   John Smith wrote:  > By Jason Brooks, eWEEK ... N > Based on the time that we've spent with Solaris 10, we believe the system isF > a much more attractive option for enterprises than previous versions  G Conspicuous by its absence is any comparison of Solaris 10 with Linux.  I That seems to be the burning question on the minds of many Sun customers  
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