1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 09 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 622       Contents:4 Re: An interesting link about CPU families over time4 Re: An interesting link about CPU families over time4 Re: An interesting link about CPU families over time, ANN: Freeware updates: PWAIT$SDA, VTfm, A2PS0 Re: ANN: Freeware updates: PWAIT$SDA, VTfm, A2PS ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.8 ( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing: Re: Configure ES45 VMS7.3.1 to dial / send page on error ? Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS Re: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS DCPS Version Support Re: DCPS Version Support2 Re: Freeware V6 won't mount on old versions of VMS Re: GNV date behavior  Last Call for Freeware V7.0  Re: Last Call for Freeware V7.0  Need DLT label stock Re: NFS weirdness  OpenVMS Freeware CD  Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD $ Re: OT: Election technology question% Re: Sample C program to read Monitor?  Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert2 Re: System crash after installing 732-UPDATE-V03002 Re: System crash after installing 732-UPDATE-V0300 VMS 4.5 on a TK50 anyone?  Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions  Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions  Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions  Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:13:00 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>= Subject: Re: An interesting link about CPU families over time , Message-ID: <418FD34C.2080503@tsoft-inc.com>   Keith Parris wrote:    > David Froble wrote:  > J >> similar to the hostilities reported between VMS people and Unix people 
 >> at DEC. >  > I > I don't recall any such hostilities. When I worked in VMS Engineering,  K > I'd visit the Tru64 engineers on the adjacent floor and pass along white  H > papers and documentation that would help them understand clusters, as G > they prepared to start the TruClusters project. And my boss from VMS  I > Engineering moved across to that team and wrote the connection manager  / > and distributed lock manager for TruClusters.  > J > We on the VMS side were of course concerned when UNIX VPs were reported J > as saying VMS was dead, and that UNIX was the future (but not to worry, G > all the features and benefits folks had come to know and love on VMS  K > would be in UNIX) and again when the VPs associated with Windows NT sang  ( > the same song, second verse, about NT.  Q Uh....  which of the two paragraphs above did you want to post.  To me at least,  N they seem to be contradictory.  I didn't mean in the strictest sense that all K the engineers were hostile, just that some people within DEC did have such  O hostility.  As for your not recalling, possibly you weren't observant, or have  L selective memory.  The topic of hostility has been reported in the past, on M multiple occasions.  Are you going to cause me to go hunting in the archives?    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 23:32:39 GMT 4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>= Subject: Re: An interesting link about CPU families over time 2 Message-ID: <rmTjd.2575$Xi7.1361@news.cpqcorp.net>  C While there may have been some amount of resentment in terms of the K resources expended on one versus the other, and disagreements about company J strategy -- there was never any hostility between VMS engineering and UNIXJ engineering.  We have worked together frequently on many levels, and thereE are many ex-VMS engineers who over time moved to various UNIX groups.   I You must have read too much into whatever you may have heard, or yourself  have a selective memory.    5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message & news:418FD34C.2080503@tsoft-inc.com... > Keith Parris wrote:  >  > > David Froble wrote:  > > K > >> similar to the hostilities reported between VMS people and Unix people  > >> at DEC. > >  > > J > > I don't recall any such hostilities. When I worked in VMS Engineering,L > > I'd visit the Tru64 engineers on the adjacent floor and pass along whiteI > > papers and documentation that would help them understand clusters, as H > > they prepared to start the TruClusters project. And my boss from VMSJ > > Engineering moved across to that team and wrote the connection manager1 > > and distributed lock manager for TruClusters.  > > K > > We on the VMS side were of course concerned when UNIX VPs were reported K > > as saying VMS was dead, and that UNIX was the future (but not to worry, H > > all the features and benefits folks had come to know and love on VMSL > > would be in UNIX) and again when the VPs associated with Windows NT sang* > > the same song, second verse, about NT. > K > Uh....  which of the two paragraphs above did you want to post.  To me at  least,K > they seem to be contradictory.  I didn't mean in the strictest sense that  all L > the engineers were hostile, just that some people within DEC did have suchK > hostility.  As for your not recalling, possibly you weren't observant, or  haveJ > selective memory.  The topic of hostility has been reported in the past, onE > multiple occasions.  Are you going to cause me to go hunting in the 	 archives?  >  > --  6 > David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04506 > Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596@ > DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com > 170 Grimplin Road  > Vanderbilt, PA  15486  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:39:51 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> = Subject: Re: An interesting link about CPU families over time , Message-ID: <PtSdnc74Ctlxgg3cRVn-gQ@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote:  > David Froble wrote: 
 >> similarD >> to the hostilities reported between VMS people and Unix people at >> DEC.  > H > I don't recall any such hostilities. When I worked in VMS Engineering,D > I'd visit the Tru64 engineers on the adjacent floor and pass along@ > white papers and documentation that would help them understandE > clusters, as they prepared to start the TruClusters project. And my C > boss from VMS Engineering moved across to that team and wrote the B > connection manager and distributed lock manager for TruClusters. > @ > We on the VMS side were of course concerned when UNIX VPs wereD > reported as saying VMS was dead, and that UNIX was the future (butD > not to worry, all the features and benefits folks had come to knowE > and love on VMS would be in UNIX) and again when the VPs associated = > with Windows NT sang the same song, second verse, about NT.     J Hey Keith...haven't you heard....Linux on Intel is the future according to the Coiffed Cute One(tm).   G This is just one more way for carly(tm) to cut staff and overhead since D there is no/little R&D involved at HP in Linux or purchasing genericK reference hardware designs from Intel or Asus, and Red Hat will provide the  support.  K If the rumours are true about the future of HP-UX and the Tru64 transplant, G only VMS will continue to have the features present in VMS....unless HP E (meaning HP & predecessor companies) decides to give the intellectual  property away (again).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:17:52 -0600 - From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> 5 Subject: ANN: Freeware updates: PWAIT$SDA, VTfm, A2PS * Message-ID: <418FE280.4040804@goatley.com>  4 The following freeware packages have been updated in my freeware archive:  
     - VTfm  9       A Norton Commander-style file and directory manager :       for VT terminals.  This version adds quite a few new2       features to the previous release.  Thanks to:       Vladimir K. Vershinin.  VTfm runs on VAX, Alpha, and       IA64.        - PWAIT$SDA   :       Show why processes are waiting.  Actually updated on=       25-OCT-2004, but I was remiss in announcing it.  Thanks        to Ian Miller!  
     - A2PS  >       Converts text files to Postscript.  Now runs on Itanium,       thanks to Mike Duffy!    http://www.process.com/openvms/   , ftp://ftp.process.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/1 http://vms.process.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/   ( ftp://ftp.tmk.com/vms-freeware/fileserv/- http://www.tmk.com/ftp/vms-freeware/fileserv/    And on the other mirrors soon.     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ ; <goathunter@GOATLEY.COM>     http://www.goatley.com/hunter/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:20:55 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>9 Subject: Re: ANN: Freeware updates: PWAIT$SDA, VTfm, A2PS + Message-ID: <41902986.8BD8268D@comcast.net>    Hunter Goatley wrote:  > [snip] >     - A2PS > @ >       Converts text files to Postscript.  Now runs on Itanium, >       thanks to Mike Duffy!   B A2PS is useful for sites where you need to print "wide" reports inB landscape, have post-script-capable printers, but don't want to goC bothering with forms, DEVCTL libraries and escape sequence modules.   H I'm using it - along with a piece of DCL I wrote convert "Fortran" printA files to "embedded carriage control" - to print reports from SLS.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 04 16:56:56 EST ) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)  Subject: ANN: VMS Mosaic 3.8! Message-ID: <9ksyN07OqZY7@wvnvms>   - Release 3.8 of VMS Mosaic is now available at   .     ftp://alpha.wvnet.edu/mosaic/mosaic3_8.zip  B VMS Mosaic is a GUI web browser.  It supports HTML V4.0 (includingD tables and frames), animated GIFs, cookies, secure connections, etc.C It does not support Java, JavaScript or style sheets.  A C compiler  is required to build it.  5 3.8 includes the following changes since release 3.7: G -----------------------------------------------------------------------     o Added support for Motif 1.5>  o Added Stop button to toolbar to stop loading or animations.:  o Added open in new window option to Open Document dialog#  o Added support for ID in all tags 5  o Added support for image alpha channel transparency 8  o Added support for compressed (4 and 8 bit) BMP images8  o Added support for OS/2, 16 bit, and 32 bit BMP imagesB  o Added support for MIME types "image/x-bmp" and "image/x-ms-bmp"A  o Added cookie permissions file (MOSAIC.HOSTPERM) and preference =  o Added Cookie Jar Manager option to update the cookie files @  o Added cookie and cookie domain counters to Cookie Jar Manager;  o Added Map and Auction search selections to Navigate menu 7  o Added support for crimson and indigo as named colors 4  o Added support for &apos, &circ, &minus and &ndash?  o Added partial support for &dagger, &lowast, &ldquo, &lsaquo, %    &lsquo, &rdquo, &rsaquo and &rsquo /  o Added preference setting for text blink time <  o Added preference setting for form button background color:  o Changed the default background color from gray to white7  o Changed cookie domain list to a balanced binary tree D  o Changed to display and store cookie domains in alphabetical orderD  o Changed to strip carriage returns, linefeeds and tabs out of URLs)  o Changed to escape blanks in image URLs .  o Changed default web search engine to GoogleC  o Fixed problem with busy cursor not resetting after window resize "  o Improved the about: URL feature"  o Improved news memory allocation  o Updated the comment card F  o Eliminated several Informational compiler error messages in LIBJPEG>  o Corrected problems in MAKE_MOSAIC.COM detected by DCL_CHECK%  o Speeded up table width calculation G -----------------------------------------------------------------------   C The most visible change is "white" as the default background color. C This change will not take effect if you currently have a MOSAIC.DAT D file in either DECW$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS or DECW$USER_DEFAULTS.  The line? starting with "Mosaic*bodyBG" in MOSAIC.DAT must be changed to:   " Mosaic*bodyBG:       #ffffffffffff  ' in order for the change to take effect.      George Cook  cook@wvnet.edu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:02:20 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing + Message-ID: <2v9u5uF2jrgg4U1@uni-berlin.de>    Tom Linden wrote: 1 > On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:59:39 -0500, Peter Weaver 0 > <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote: >  >> Alex Daniels wrote: >>> ... > >>> If you really think a VAX 6630 emulated or otherwise, willA >>> outperform any Itanium that supports VMS, please provide some  >>> benchmark collateral.  >>G >> I did not do any real benchmarks, but at the Itanium Developer Forum E >> there was one time I started to boot the Itanium box (by selecting E >> the menu option at the IPF level) at approximately the same time I @ >> typed the B on CHARON-VAX. I was rather surprised to see thatE >> CHARON-VAX finished the boot faster than the Itanium box! Mind you D >> there were more products installed on the Itanium that my laptop,  >> but I was still surprised. :) >>2 > Just curious, did you get a VUPs figure on that?  G No. I recall that when I signed up for the Itanium test drive program I H had to agree not to do any benchmarking on the system because there wereE so many programs compiled with debug on at the time. I do not know if 6 that still applies to the current Itanium VMS release.  F There are performance figures for CHARON-VAX on SRI's site if you wantF to see them. My laptop only has one CPU that has to serve the softwareD VAX as well as Windows so it is not a supported configuration that IC could benchmark, but it is still faster than any of the 4000-105 or H 4000-108 that I usually work on. If my memory serves me right it is also8 faster than the 6620 that I used to work with years ago.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 11:00:36 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing ( Message-ID: <opsg5tray0zgicya@hyrrokkin>  1 On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 14:02:20 -0500, Peter Weaver   . <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote: 2 >> On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 12:59:39 -0500, Peter Weaver1 >> <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca> wrote:  >> >>> Alex Daniels wrote:  >>>> ...? >>>> If you really think a VAX 6630 emulated or otherwise, will B >>>> outperform any Itanium that supports VMS, please provide some >>>> benchmark collateral. >>> H >>> I did not do any real benchmarks, but at the Itanium Developer ForumF >>> there was one time I started to boot the Itanium box (by selectingF >>> the menu option at the IPF level) at approximately the same time IA >>> typed the B on CHARON-VAX. I was rather surprised to see that F >>> CHARON-VAX finished the boot faster than the Itanium box! Mind youE >>> there were more products installed on the Itanium that my laptop, ! >>> but I was still surprised. :)  >>> 3 >> Just curious, did you get a VUPs figure on that?  > I > No. I recall that when I signed up for the Itanium test drive program I J > had to agree not to do any benchmarking on the system because there wereG > so many programs compiled with debug on at the time. I do not know if 8 > that still applies to the current Itanium VMS release. > H > There are performance figures for CHARON-VAX on SRI's site if you wantH > to see them. My laptop only has one CPU that has to serve the softwareF > VAX as well as Windows so it is not a supported configuration that IE > could benchmark, but it is still faster than any of the 4000-105 or J > 4000-108 that I usually work on. If my memory serves me right it is also: > faster than the 6620 that I used to work with years ago. > < Yeah, I have those figures, as mentioned in a previous post.       --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:16:07 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>C Subject: Re: Configure ES45 VMS7.3.1 to dial / send page on error ? + Message-ID: <41902866.2C2B2875@comcast.net>    BillC wrote: > L > greetings - very  many thanks! i had not considered that as an option, but > itL >       is very close to Exactly what i was hoping to accomplish.  i already > haveL >       the distribution lists, etc. but could not make the 'leap' to pager. >       thanks again  ? Within recent memory, folks here have posted examples of how to 6 interface with paging service websites using C-Kermit.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 15:44:03 -0600* From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com># Subject: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS Q Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F910@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>   J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4C5DC.105F6220  Content-Type: text/plain;  	charset="iso-8859-1"   J Hello again everyone!  I am currently installing a ISA 2004 machine on ourG network and have run into some problems getting connx/RMS recordsets to  function through the firewall.H Connx basically told me I get no support unless I pay back all the yearsH that we have missed under maintance, so I was hopping someone here could lend a hand.   = Clients <> Switch <> ISA <> Switch <> TI <> Switch <> OpenVMS    ! ^^ the above setup does not work.    , Clients <> Switch <> T1 <> Switch <> OpenVMS    ^^ old setup, still works fine.       K I have written allow all rules for to and from the OpenVMS machine into the + ISA Firewall, but it does not seem to help.    L I am not familar with connx so I am not sure what other information I should
 be providing. 1 If something else would be useful please tell me           
 Thank you,    Michael Clark  Nemschoff Chairs Inc   mclark at nemschoff dot com # CompTIA A+, Network+, Server+, MCP   Voice: (920) 457 7726 x294   Fax:  (920) 453 6594         A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.       ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4C5DC.105F6220  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Diso-8859-1">    @ <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY>I <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello =  again=20E everyone!&nbsp; I am currently installing a ISA 2004 machine on our =  network and=20F have run into some problems getting connx/RMS recordsets to function = through the=20 firewall.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> I <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Connx =  basically told=20 I me I get no support unless I pay back all the years that we have missed =  under=207 maintance, so I was hopping someone here could lend a =  hand.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> ; <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial=20 # size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> : <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>Clients &lt;&gt;=20A Switch &lt;&gt; ISA &lt;&gt; Switch &lt;&gt; TI &lt;&gt; Switch =  &lt;&gt;=20  OpenVMS</FONT></SPAN></DIV> ; <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial=20 # size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> F <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>^^ = the above setup=20" does not work.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>; <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial=20 # size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> : <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>Clients &lt;&gt;=20G Switch &lt;&gt; T1 &lt;&gt; Switch &lt;&gt; OpenVMS</FONT></SPAN></DIV> ; <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial=20 # size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> F <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>^^ = old setup, still=20  works fine.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> ; <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial=20 # size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> ; <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial=20 # size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> E <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I =  have written allow=20 F all rules for to and from the OpenVMS machine into the ISA Firewall, = but it does=20% not seem to help.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> ; <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial=20 # size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> H <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am = not familar=20A with connx so I am not sure what other information I should be=20  providing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>F <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If = something else=20 3 would be useful please tell me </FONT></SPAN></DIV> ; <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial=20 # size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> ; <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial=20 # size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> ; <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial=20 # size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> I <DIV><SPAN class=3D899473721-08112004><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank =    you,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>< <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>I <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Michael Clark</FONT> <BR><FONT =   F face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Nemschoff Chairs Inc</FONT> <BR><FONT=20B face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>mclark at nemschoff dot com</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20I face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>CompTIA A+, Network+, Server+, MCP</FONT> =  <BR><FONT=20A face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Voice: (920) 457 7726 x294</FONT> =  <BR><FONT=20E face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Fax:&nbsp; (920) 453 6594</FONT> </DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>  <BR> <BR>  @ <P><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This =D electronic transmission, including all attachments, is directed in =C confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it is addressed, or an = G authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed, copied or = D disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject to =H intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed =F and are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, =H please notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission => and then immediately delete this transmission, including all =@ attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. = </FONT></B></P>  <BR> <BR>  ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4C5DC.105F6220--    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:26:30 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>' Subject: Re: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS + Message-ID: <41902AD5.4B801BD0@comcast.net>    > Michael Clark wrote: > H > Hello again everyone!  I am currently installing a ISA 2004 machine on? > our network and have run into some problems getting connx/RMS . > recordsets to function through the firewall. > D > Connx basically told me I get no support unless I pay back all the+ > years that we have missed under maintance   : Note to the CONNX people: GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!!!  = We're trying to ATTRACT VMS customers, not drive them away!!!   9 (CONNX doesn't, by chance, have any connection with those " <CENSORED>-heads at SCO, do they?)   >, so I was hopping someone  > here could lend a hand.  > ? > Clients <> Switch <> ISA <> Switch <> TI <> Switch <> OpenVMS  > # > ^^ the above setup does not work.  > . > Clients <> Switch <> T1 <> Switch <> OpenVMS > ! > ^^ old setup, still works fine.   C O.k. I don't see a router in that ("old setup") scenario, so that's  fine.   D > I have written allow all rules for to and from the OpenVMS machine6 > into the ISA Firewall, but it does not seem to help.  G Well, the issue may be the router within the firewall. Check his rules,  as well.  G > I am not familar with connx so I am not sure what other information I  > should be providing.2 > If something else would be useful please tell me  E You'll need to lookup packet types, TCP port numbers and such, if you < haven't done so already. A network "sniffer" may be helpful.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:09:51 GMT0 From: "Milt Zlatic" <milton.t.zlatic@boeing.com> Subject: DCPS Version Support ( Message-ID: <I6vpGF.43K@news.boeing.com>  I Due to contractual obligations, we're stuck at OPENVMS VAX 6.1. Can I use K any 2.x version of DCPS? The SPD lists 5-5.2, 7.2, 7.3. Why would it run on . a 5.5-2 system and not run on any 6.x version?   Thanks in advance, Milt   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2004 16:30:45 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: DCPS Version Support 3 Message-ID: <efoOoZSd79HN@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <I6vpGF.43K@news.boeing.com>, "Milt Zlatic" <milton.t.zlatic@boeing.com> writes: K > Due to contractual obligations, we're stuck at OPENVMS VAX 6.1. Can I use M > any 2.x version of DCPS? The SPD lists 5-5.2, 7.2, 7.3. Why would it run on 0 > a 5.5-2 system and not run on any 6.x version?  2 The SPD lists what is support, not what will work.  A VMS 6.1 is no longer supported, so I do not believe they list any + layered products as supported on it either.   E So it might be worth trying unless someone posts a specific technical  barrier.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:55:04 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ; Subject: Re: Freeware V6 won't mount on old versions of VMS 1 Message-ID: <I2Rjd.2548$Pc7.143@news.cpqcorp.net>   S In article <00A3A768.17896266@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: k :In article <7NWhuiyCx4yN@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes: L :>Not sure if this is a 'bug' or a 'feature', but I just discovered that theN :>VMS Freeware V6 CD is incompatible with older versions of VMS. It looks likeM :>the problem is that the disk was INITed with a cluster size of 1, resulting E :>in too many clusters on the disk to be mapped by 'traditional' VMS.  :>F :>I couldn't mount it on my 7.1-2 system, but could mount it on 7.3-2. : F :I posted about this months ago.  A stupid decision.  They won't mountF :in my InfoServers either so I had to read in the contents and re-burn* :them to get them to be read everywhere.      D   I used one of my existing command procedures to initialize the twoB   volumes of the Freeware, and it defaults to this cluster factor.E   This is not necessarily appropriate for the Freeware, and I do hope H   to avoid repeating this particular mistake as I kit the next Freeware.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:33:19 -05005 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNosp@Mcompaq.com>  Subject: Re: GNV date behavior0 Message-ID: <10p07getpl23ne6@corp.supernews.com>  F I suspect you do not have your time zone/daylightsavings/UTC time set L correctly.  Suggest you consult the FAQ, specifically section 4.4 (but, all  of section 4 might help) at ; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_004.html#time4.   ? More specifically, you will probably want to run the procedure  H SYS$MANAGER:UTC$TIME_SETUP.COM to make sure that the time zone and time M differential factor (TDF?) are set correctly.  I think you will find the TDF   is off by 1 hour.   
 Brad McCusker  HP
 Nashua NH USA     > "Spud Demon" <spud_demon@.eTHUNDERMAKER.NET> wrote in message ) news:P_5jd.7$rj3.13869@news.uswest.net... / > Trying to build apache using GNV. I get this:  > 	 > E$ make K > /DSA0/SYS0/SYSCOMMON/GNV/bin/MAKE.EXE: *** Warning: File `Makefile.' has  	 > modific F > ation time in the future (2004-11-06 10:05:28 > 2004-11-06 09:19:39)I > /DSA0/SYS0/SYSCOMMON/GNV/bin/MAKE.EXE: *** No targets specified and no  
 > makefile > found.  Stop.  > E$! > (VMS system time is 10:19 now.)  >  > Is this a common problem?  > / > --Spud Demon spud_demon -at- thundermaker.net G > please quote liberally because Google doesn't get posts from my ISP.     ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:32:44 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) $ Subject: Last Call for Freeware V7.01 Message-ID: <guSjd.2559$Lj7.781@news.cpqcorp.net>   (   Last Call for OpenVMS Freeware V7.0...  J   If you have a Freeware submission planned and I don't already know aboutF   it or I don't already have a copy of or a pointer to the submission,D   please contact me within the next few days with a schedule for theI   submission, and particularly to reserve the necessary storage.  Thanks!   N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:29:16 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: Last Call for Freeware V7.0+ Message-ID: <41902B7C.2C6397E9@comcast.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > * >   Last Call for OpenVMS Freeware V7.0... > L >   If you have a Freeware submission planned and I don't already know aboutH >   it or I don't already have a copy of or a pointer to the submission,F >   please contact me within the next few days with a schedule for theK >   submission, and particularly to reserve the necessary storage.  Thanks!   G I submitted a URL from the freeware CD website. Dunno if you got it. If G not, please let me know. How to de-mung the reply-to should be obvious.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2004 15:05:50 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) Subject: Need DLT label stock 3 Message-ID: <qgcLW25a$g32@eisner.encompasserve.org>   > Where does one order the little paper DLT label inserts from?   F Once upon a time, we had some custom printed. But they were ordered byG someone no longer here, from a long gone vendor. If I can get something L custom or semi-custom that would be great, but I'd settle for something thatE has spaces that I could write in the system name and date. Perhaps in A different colors, or with some way to differentiate between daily I incremental and weekly image. Or maybe blank stock that I can run through G either a laser or inkjet printer. As long as it's pre-perforated in the  right size, about 20x56mm.  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy 4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  G         Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the boisterous sea of:$         liberty. -- Thomas Jefferson   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2004 11:05:01 -0800o, From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) Subject: Re: NFS weirdness= Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0411081105.709d60f9@posting.google.com>e  , lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) wrote2 > If I rename the file to all uppercase, it works.    ) We have run into various features of NFS.   D When the NFS directory is hosted on Windows, whatever case we use in2 the filename, on the OpenVMS side we see two files   $copy nl: nfs_dir:ABCDE. $dir nfs_dir   Directory NFS:[XX] .$$ADF$$ABCDE;1U ABCDE.;1   delete/log nfs_dir:ABCDE.;5 %DELETE-I-FILDEL, NFS:[XX]ABCDE.;1 deleted (0 blocks)e      E But, if the file is created on the Windows side, we only see one file < on the OpenVMS side using a remotely mounted NFS mount point   abcde.   Appears on OpenVMS as one file:M   $dir nfs_dir   Directory NFS:[XX] ABCDE.;1      F You might notice different behavior with various (earlier) versions ofA the tcp/ip stack or with the host platform (e.g. Linux instead of: Windows)  F With earlier versions of software and mixing the case in the file name aBcDe-< we used to see additional $ embedded in the filename such as .$$ADF$$A_$BC_$DE;1o  ? The lesson that we learned was to educate the developers to use E functions such as lower(filename) or UPPER(filename) to ensure of thei case of files.  C When a Java developer searched for *.xml files and there was a file  named x.XMLd/ it did not select the file because of the case.u   Case is important.  0 Jim Strehlow, OpenVMS and Database Administrator Alameda, CA, USA   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2004 16:12:18 -0800 * From: thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr (Thierry USO) Subject: OpenVMS Freeware CD= Message-ID: <79c022e7.0411081612.67a9f635@posting.google.com>y   Hello,  E Does anybody know the list of the softwares which will be included inr* the next OpenVMS Freeware CD (version 7) ?   Thierry.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 01:06:07 GMTa# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)a  Subject: Re: OpenVMS Freeware CD1 Message-ID: <3KUjd.2590$rv7.211@news.cpqcorp.net>   j In article <79c022e7.0411081612.67a9f635@posting.google.com>, thierry.uso@wanadoo.fr (Thierry USO) writes:  F :Does anybody know the list of the softwares which will be included in+ :the next OpenVMS Freeware CD (version 7) ?b  H   No one knows the complete list as yet, as Freeware V7 has not yet beenG   kitted.  (I have not generated even a partial list of the submissionso+   presently queued -- even for my own use.)b  I   If you are looking to submit a package, please get the submission going F   right now.  If you are looking to reference a package for inclusion,H   please send that along, too.  <http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware/>  I   If you are looking for access to the Freeware V7 distro, that access iseH   expected to be available around the same time that OpenVMS V8.2 ships.H   I won't have a list of the contents available for release until around   the same timeframe, as well.    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqeN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.come   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 21:25:22 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a- Subject: Re: OT: Election technology questions, Message-ID: <MMmdnaJQM5MLtw3cRVn-2g@igs.net>   Warren Spencer wrote: 2 > jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com (JF Mezei) wrote in# > <41881285.23597422@teksavvy.com>:e >e >> Warren Spencer wrote:G >>> Ballots are counted in the precinct where they are cast, and phonedoF >>> into a county office.  The AP has staff at each county office, andE >>> they phone the counts in our Elections contact center in New Yorkm" >>> City, where data entry occurs. >>? >>> Our primary elections back end is all VMS - it receives andtD >>> tabulates the counts. We have redundant systems ready to go in a= >>> western state. But this addresses only the collection andf >>> tabulation of the election.  >>B >> Many thanks for that information.  Is there a backup data entryH >> capability outside of New York in case New York is pulverized by some@ >> bomb etc ? Or is it just the VMS servers that are tolerant of
 >> disaster ?l >e3 > I believe we have personnel on call just in case.o >ND >>> The other part of all this is distribution of the results.  MostG >>> major news organizations buy our elections feed, which contains the A >>> latest results as they happen.  The feeds are delivered via ae< >>> number of technologies, including Solaris, Windows, etc. >>E >> Is this done via dedicated links, or via internet ?   Does AP alsoiG >> provide the ability for media to inquire from database of statisticso+ >> etc, or do you just provide a raw feed ?  >tD > We deliver our various products (elections data being one of them)B > through a multitude of mechansims, including sattalite circuits,E > ISDN, and the Internet.  As well a raw feeds, we also host numerouslF > web sites.  I don't believe we offer an externally available API for > querying databases.A >5H >> In such a mission critical application, does AP use trendy stull like@ >> XML, or is there some serious design of the data interfaces ? >eD > There's a bazillion (which is a lot) of interfaces involved here -E > some internal, some eternal.  Many sytems, many interfaces.  XML ismG > no doubt being used in some of the more modern ones, but some of thist? > code is 15 years old, which pre-dates the "invention" of XML.k >iF >>> Regardless, I hope this makes us c.o.v.'ers proud, knowing OpenVMSD >>> is the backbone on which the election is tabulated, and has been >>> for over a decade! >>F >> Well, lets just hope this thing works out. If it does, I think thatE >> Sue should get in touch with AP and get some authorisation to bragnD >> about VMS working so well for the elections. That would be such a >> great marketing for VMS > G > We had a smooth election with no significant disruptions, so I'm suret@ > it would. But I should also point out that the OpenVMS code isB > running on VAX, not Alpha, so maybe there's limited milage here.  ! As it is said, VMS is VMS is VMS.s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:47:56 -0500< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>. Subject: Re: Sample C program to read Monitor?+ Message-ID: <2v9tauF2garvqU1@uni-berlin.de>c   Tim Smith wrote:F > I dont suppose anyone has a sample C program which reads the MonitorF > file - doesnt need to be complete but perhaps something that gets me6 > started e.g. reads the fileheader, systemheader etc. >r+ > Its a struggle to read even a date in :-)a >t > Timu  G I have a few Fortran programs that read the output from Monitor if thatd4 would help. If you want them then send me an e-mail.   -- - Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.0 Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAXt www.weaverconsulting.caa   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2004 14:20:06 -0600e4 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revertn3 Message-ID: <XweD8H7yb8Da@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  ` In article <4183DB45.8D4AC0D7@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > Ken Fairfield wrote: >> r >> JF Mezei wrote: >> o >> > John Vottero wrote: >> >J >> >>TPU is a programming language.  EVE is an editor written in TPU.  YouL >> >>probably have the source code for EVE in SYS$EXAMPLES: , take a look atO >> >>EVE$FILE.TPU and you can see how GET works and use that as a base for youro >> >>own REVERT. >> > >> >D >> > That mentality is what led Linux Torvalds to write his own too. >> >J >> > If we want VMS to succeed, it si the default vanilla VMS that must beR >> > improved. Just adding a sheet of paper that says "here is VMS, now spend megaR >> > hours writing your own basic features that come by defaylt with competing OS" >> > isn't good enough.G >> yG >> Coming late to the discussion, but being a hard-core TPU advocate...  >> :D >> Please remember that EVE was created as an "example" of an editorC >> using TPU.  For full-featured editing, including multiple "undo"a& >> capability, etc., VMS provides LSE. > I > I awlays got a(n angry) kick out of that: here's a programming language I > for writing an editor that performs basic editing functions "out of thex > box"; want more? YOYO."  > H >> For those of us who have a bit of history behind us, :-)  if you needK >> a new feature for EVE, or want to change the behaviour of some function, K >> you write it and add it.  You don't complain that VMS Engineering didn'tc >> do it for you...  > E > Folks are just expecting the VMS world to stay apace of Mickey$lop.t >   F It probably wouldn't take too long to create a TPU procedure, or two, C to surreptitiously track all your changes, add gobs of useless HTMLiF and other WYSIWWGY (what you see is what we give you) chunks, and turn@ a three line text file into multiple megabytes.  Don't forget toF create an embedded script handler that is installed with full privs soF that opening a "simple text file" can corrupt every user on the system while you are at it.  " Now _THAT'S_ the Mickey$lop way!   (insert grumpy smiley here)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 20:10:19 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: reverte+ Message-ID: <4190270A.A881230F@comcast.net>a   Marty Kuhrt wrote: > b > In article <4183DB45.8D4AC0D7@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Ken Fairfield wrote: > >> > >> JF Mezei wrote: > >> > >> > John Vottero wrote: > >> >L > >> >>TPU is a programming language.  EVE is an editor written in TPU.  YouN > >> >>probably have the source code for EVE in SYS$EXAMPLES: , take a look atQ > >> >>EVE$FILE.TPU and you can see how GET works and use that as a base for yourd > >> >>own REVERT. > >> > > >> >F > >> > That mentality is what led Linux Torvalds to write his own too. > >> >L > >> > If we want VMS to succeed, it si the default vanilla VMS that must beT > >> > improved. Just adding a sheet of paper that says "here is VMS, now spend megaT > >> > hours writing your own basic features that come by defaylt with competing OS" > >> > isn't good enough.A > >>I > >> Coming late to the discussion, but being a hard-core TPU advocate...g > >>F > >> Please remember that EVE was created as an "example" of an editorE > >> using TPU.  For full-featured editing, including multiple "undo",( > >> capability, etc., VMS provides LSE. > >cK > > I awlays got a(n angry) kick out of that: here's a programming languageaK > > for writing an editor that performs basic editing functions "out of theo > > box"; want more? YOYO."o > >lJ > >> For those of us who have a bit of history behind us, :-)  if you needM > >> a new feature for EVE, or want to change the behaviour of some function,RM > >> you write it and add it.  You don't complain that VMS Engineering didn'tn > >> do it for you...d > >lG > > Folks are just expecting the VMS world to stay apace of Mickey$lop.b > >U > G > It probably wouldn't take too long to create a TPU procedure, or two, E > to surreptitiously track all your changes, add gobs of useless HTML H > and other WYSIWWGY (what you see is what we give you) chunks, and turnB > a three line text file into multiple megabytes.  Don't forget toH > create an embedded script handler that is installed with full privs soH > that opening a "simple text file" can corrupt every user on the system > while you are at it. > " > Now _THAT'S_ the Mickey$lop way! > (insert grumpy smiley here)i  0 NFS! (...and I don't mean Netwotrk File System!)   -- n David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsf http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:o" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:04:32 GMTo/ From: "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com>u; Subject: Re: System crash after installing 732-UPDATE-V0300:9 Message-ID: <Q3Sjd.375802$bp1.24733@twister.nyroc.rr.com>p  > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message' news:ZlJ20XYuULM7@malvm7.mala.bc.ca....r >e= > Anyone else seen problems with the VMS732-UPDATE-V0300 kit?o >e4 > I installed this kit on Friday and on Friday nightC > my system crashed during an Oracle export. The crash dump showed:w   Malcolm,  L I've installed it in a few places and haven't seen any issues.  I'm planningH a complete rollout in the next couple of weeks.  If you do find out more information, keep us updated.t   -JeffO   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2004 15:31:24 -0700e1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) ; Subject: Re: System crash after installing 732-UPDATE-V0300o- Message-ID: <5x6myUgC6BsB@malvm7.mala.bc.ca.>   : In article <Q3Sjd.375802$bp1.24733@twister.nyroc.rr.com>, 5     "Jeff Goodwin" <jgoodwin@maine.rrr-r.com> writes:s   >>> >> Anyone else seen problems with the VMS732-UPDATE-V0300 kit? >>5 >> I installed this kit on Friday and on Friday night D >> my system crashed during an Oracle export. The crash dump showed: > 
 > Malcolm, > N > I've installed it in a few places and haven't seen any issues.  I'm planningJ > a complete rollout in the next couple of weeks.  If you do find out more > information, keep us updated.h > F     Support says it was a corrupt mailbox message queue, but couldn't K determine what caused the corruption. I did another export and didn't get a K crash, so it's not easily reproducible. It may have just been a coincidencer2 that it occurred right after installing the patch.  M     I've changed my Oracle export procedure to use a TCP/IP connection to the"P server process rather than the mailbox connection, thus avoiding this particular
 code path.  /     If I find out any more I will let you know.0   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2004 13:07:12 -0800 1 From: rock_spambust_violin@yahoo.com (Tom Hansen):" Subject: VMS 4.5 on a TK50 anyone?= Message-ID: <5f2e8c30.0411081307.3f2b3ccc@posting.google.com>o  @ We have a MicroVAX II on which the hard drive died and we had to replace it.   E [ background: This machine is connected to an X-Ray Diffraction (XRD)bD machine; updated software is available for more modern computers butB it costs $10K+ so we really want to try and revive the MicroVAX! ]  D We were able to boot off the Standalone backup but then our MicroVMS  4.5 SAV set tape was unreadable.  E So, basically, it looks like we need MicroVMS 4.5 on a TK50 tape as a  SAV set.   Can anyone help out here?n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:17:27 -0500t( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>( Subject: Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions, Message-ID: <418FD457.1010304@tsoft-inc.com>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:p   > JF Mezei wrote:  > 3 >>the VMS FAQ web page offers a variety of formats.n >>N >>For me, being on VAX, bookreader is far more useful and far faster to accessU >>than other formats, and it would be nice if that file format could be made to work.  >> > A > How many *paying* customers are currently using a *VAX* to read  > online OpenVMS docs ?l    N Potentially, at least all those still paying for software support for VAX/VMS Q systems.  I don't know the number, but from casual observation of this newsgroup y  the number might be substantial.  - > My guess is that 99% are using PDF on a PC.h    O We all have our own preferences.  When looking at the entire VMS community, we  I can sometimes be surprised that many others are doing things differently.r    D > Just toss the bookreader format out and use the time and money for > something-G > that current and future customers would like to pay for. Not on stuffj > that( > customers payed for 10-20 years ago... >  > Best Regards,/ > Jan-Erik.  >   0 Just to even the count at 1:1, I don't like PDF.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadi Vanderbilt, PA  15486c   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2004 16:14:08 -0600c; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)f( Subject: Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions3 Message-ID: <3ZJFz45fWwzk@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  c In article <418FA0E9.2A3DF334@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  > JF Mezei wrote:a >> p4 >> the VMS FAQ web page offers a variety of formats. >> -O >> For me, being on VAX, bookreader is far more useful and far faster to accesslV >> than other formats, and it would be nice if that file format could be made to work. > A > How many *paying* customers are currently using a *VAX* to readsC > online OpenVMS docs ? My guess is that 99% are using PDF on a PC.h      Not in this lifetime.   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:33:09 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions$ Message-ID: <cmos74$kev$1@online.de>  A > How many *paying* customers are currently using a *VAX* to read  > online OpenVMS docs ?   @ At home, I'm just a hobbyist, but I do read the docs from a VAX + occasionally, but the HTML stuff with LYNX.e  G As for BOOKREADER, it is my preferred format.  With HTML, it seems thathC one has the alternative of one huge file, which can take a while toSG load, or lots of little files (which is the way the docs are).  In this G case, I haven't been able to find the equivalent of SEARCH BOOKS, whichiH I've actually used a lot with BOOKREADER.  (I normally use BOOKREADER toF read my own CD documentation---hey, I bought that myself (along with aH 255/233), so at least I WAS a paying customer at some point!---and go toH the web if I suspect something might be new in the latest version.  (AndD for cuddling up before sleeping when my wife isn't there, I have two copies of the Grey Wall!))   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 18:29:35 -0500l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>l( Subject: Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions, Message-ID: <41900158.538D459F@teksavvy.com>  J Whether one pays or not, bookreader is still the only officially supportedM format on VMS since VMS doesn't have the adobe PDF reader software. (XPDF maypK be able to access PDF documents, but the version I have doesn't support the F bookmark index feature which makes PDF documents unusable, and is also! terribly slower than bookreader).e  L And whether you use bookreader or not, the fact remains that it is bad imageL for VMS if a vms web server is unable to serve a document in an "intact" way without munging its contents.   M Since bookreader files are variable length record format, it is possible that/J apache opens it as a text file instead of sending it "raw" with its record headers etc.  N Shirley, one should know how to distribute such VMS documents properly so that# recipients can use these documents.D  L Perhaps the folks who maintain APACHE should use SYS$READ instead of SYS$GETL to access documents whose mime types specify a binary transfer, irrespective of RMS attributes of the file.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.622 ************************