1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 09 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 623       Contents:4 Re: An interesting link about CPU families over time Best Home Base Work  Re: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS Re: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS< FireFox 1.0 released - is there likely to be a VMS version ?@ Re: FireFox 1.0 released - is there likely to be a VMS version ?@ Re: FireFox 1.0 released - is there likely to be a VMS version ?2 Re: Freeware V6 won't mount on old versions of VMS- Re: how to implement an append only log file?  HP offerings - but not for VMS" Re: HP offerings - but not for VMS java interactive vs detached  Re: java interactive vs detached5 Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows  Re: Need DLT label stock Re: NFS weirdness  PS2 Mouse on a 200 4/233.  Re: PS2 Mouse on a 200 4/233.  Re: PS2 Mouse on a 200 4/233. P Re: Sys$Startup:License_Check.Exe (revisited) - OPENVMS-ALPHA not authorized on  Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions  Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 05:13:14 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>= Subject: Re: An interesting link about CPU families over time , Message-ID: <4190983A.4030305@tsoft-inc.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  E > While there may have been some amount of resentment in terms of the M > resources expended on one versus the other, and disagreements about company L > strategy -- there was never any hostility between VMS engineering and UNIXL > engineering.  We have worked together frequently on many levels, and thereG > are many ex-VMS engineers who over time moved to various UNIX groups.  > K > You must have read too much into whatever you may have heard, or yourself  > have a selective memory.  Q Possibly.  But I don't think so.  I'm in some ways a history buff, and I do tend  ! to remember things from the past.   N Getting back to the current issue.  The Compaq systems people did come out in P favor of IA-64 over Alpha.  Can we agree on that piece of history?  The 'quote' J talked about the foundry(s) being able to achieve speeds which the system Q builders could not handle.  Nothing that is substantiated that I know of, but if  P there is any substance, wouldn't the CPU engineers be a bit frustrated, and the   system builders a bit defensive?  O Facing reality, DEC is no more because they made too many mistakes.  We're all  M coping in our own ways with this significant loss.  More significant to some   than others.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:39:11 +0800! From: Reynard<directsale@tom.com>  Subject: Best Home Base Work" Message-ID: <4190d452_2@127.0.0.1>  ; "I can teach anyone how to get what they want out of life.   The problem is I can't find anybody who can tell me what they want." -- Mark Twain "Today people in America can become whatever they want. Trouble is most don't know what they want." -- Earl Nightingale What do you want? Are you sick of the rat race? Are you tired of having someone else tell you what they think you're worth? Would you rather work from home, set you own hours, and pay yourself what you're really worth? 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A Dream without Action becomes a Memory!    http://reynard.usana.com                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups E ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Nov 2004 23:22:24 -0800 # From: dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) ' Subject: Re: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS = Message-ID: <1ca82fc6.0411082322.20aefdbd@posting.google.com>    Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com> wrote in message news:<A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F910@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>... L > Hello again everyone!  I am currently installing a ISA 2004 machine on ourI > network and have run into some problems getting connx/RMS recordsets to   > function through the firewall.J > Connx basically told me I get no support unless I pay back all the yearsJ > that we have missed under maintance, so I was hopping someone here could > lend a hand. >   ? > Clients <> Switch <> ISA <> Switch <> TI <> Switch <> OpenVMS  >   # > ^^ the above setup does not work.  >   . > Clients <> Switch <> T1 <> Switch <> OpenVMS >   ! > ^^ old setup, still works fine.  >    >   M > I have written allow all rules for to and from the OpenVMS machine into the - > ISA Firewall, but it does not seem to help.  >   N > I am not familar with connx so I am not sure what other information I should > be providing. 3 > If something else would be useful please tell me   I think connx uses port 6500= Use the vms tcptrace utility (or tcpiptrace if you're on ucx) A on your old (working) setup to verify ip address and port number,  then run it on your new setup.A Remember that vms has intrusion detection, so a few failures from  one ip address can lock it out.  Phil   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:07:42 -0800* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>' Subject: Re: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS 2 Message-ID: <iM2dnfT19pHSdg3cRVn-pA@mpowercom.net>  8 "Michael Clark" <MClark@Nemschoff.com> wrote in message K news:A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F910@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com... K << I have written allow all rules for to and from the OpenVMS machine into  2 the ISA Firewall, but it does not seem to help. >>  J In ISA 2004 turn on logging, then initiate a connection to a recordset on L VMS from a PC workstation.  The log should show you what port is being used E and where the problem is, including the rule that's denying traffic.  K Without knowing what kind of protocol Connx uses it's difficult to tell if  M your rule is set up properly.  (Ideally you want to do this when no one else  K is using the firewall, after hours.  Filtering to reduce log traffic might   cause you to miss something.)    Jack Peacock     ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:48:05 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukE Subject: FireFox 1.0 released - is there likely to be a VMS version ? ( Message-ID: <cmqsc5$i8$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>  1 Mozilla have now officially released Firefox 1.0.    see   / http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5443931.html     2 Is there likely to be a VMS version of this soon ?  
 David Webb Security Team Leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:38:46 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> I Subject: Re: FireFox 1.0 released - is there likely to be a VMS version ? , Message-ID: <qdWdnVw4zaw2nQzcRVn-tQ@igs.net>   david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote: 3 > Mozilla have now officially released Firefox 1.0.  >  > see  > 1 > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5443931.html  >  > 4 > Is there likely to be a VMS version of this soon ?    E I wouldn't waste the effort on a meagre 411,000 systems if I were the  Firefox developers.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:10:16 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukI Subject: Re: FireFox 1.0 released - is there likely to be a VMS version ? ) Message-ID: <cmr168$1s5$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>   R In article <qdWdnVw4zaw2nQzcRVn-tQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:4 >> Mozilla have now officially released Firefox 1.0. >> >> see >>2 >> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5443931.html >> >>5 >> Is there likely to be a VMS version of this soon ?  >  > F >I wouldn't waste the effort on a meagre 411,000 systems if I were the >Firefox developers. > K I was thinking more of HP working on it since it is a follow-on/replacement N for Mozilla and the only supported browser on VMS is now SWB which is based on Mozilla.  
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 12:29:48 -0600 4 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow); Subject: Re: Freeware V6 won't mount on old versions of VMS 3 Message-ID: <I5xJPykVWmJt@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <I2Rjd.2548$Pc7.143@news.cpqcorp.net>, hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: F >   I used one of my existing command procedures to initialize the twoD >   volumes of the Freeware, and it defaults to this cluster factor.G >   This is not necessarily appropriate for the Freeware, and I do hope J >   to avoid repeating this particular mistake as I kit the next Freeware.  G Thanks, and thanks for the effort you continue to put into making these  disks available.  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy 4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  D         "I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed.D         The U.S. government will lead the American people in and theD         West in general into an unbearable hell and a choking life."   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 01:14:07 -0800 * From: bonzinib60@arcor.de (Josef Jarousse)6 Subject: Re: how to implement an append only log file?= Message-ID: <ae3d5869.0411090114.7b47b697@posting.google.com>   D Thank you for your advices. As I feared there is no "out of the box"= solution to my problem. Isn't it astonishing that there is no - OS-support to a problem that seems classical? @ I think we will implement something like a file or database thatE encrypts its content and computes a MAC every time an entry is added. C We will not be able to know what has been changed but at least that   someone tried to mask something.   Thanks Jo   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:37:15 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: HP offerings - but not for VMS , Message-ID: <B5idnUVX7rjNnQzcRVn-uA@igs.net>  9 http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/041007c.html    .....   > HP OpenPayments builds and delivers on existing IT investments  I The HP OpenPayments framework uses HP software and application interfaces I that enable point solutions from partners such as LogicaCMG, Dovetail and I Gresham. HP OpenView software and solutions may be used in tandem with HP J OpenPayments to enhance infrastructure management and meet service levels.  I Fundamentally flexible and scalable, HP OpenPayments can be configured to K meet a wide variety of business needs. The solution runs on a variety of HP K platforms including Intel Itanium-based HP Integrity servers, HP ProLiant K servers, HP blade servers and HP NonStop servers. Operating systems include K Microsoft Windows, HP-UX, Linux and HP NonStop. The real-time database, or 8 operational data store, runs on the HP NonStop platform.   .....   D As Henry Ford might have put it, "You can have it on anything except	 OpenVMS."   J HP deliberately targets OpenVMS the same way superstitious people go after> werewolves and vampires with silver bullets and wooden stakes.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:08:44 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> + Subject: Re: HP offerings - but not for VMS 1 Message-ID: <MI7kd.2620$4l.1514@news.cpqcorp.net>    John Smith wrote: F > As Henry Ford might have put it, "You can have it on anything except > OpenVMS."   D Reliable Transaction Router (RTR) Software is available on OpenVMS, I Windows, Linux, even Solaris, but not on HP-UX. But that doesn't mean HP  H doesn't support HP-UX. It's just an artifact of its development history.  H  From the statement "The real-time database, or operational data store, I runs on the HP NonStop platform" we can infer that this most likely came   out of the Tandem world.  L > HP deliberately targets OpenVMS the same way superstitious people go after@ > werewolves and vampires with silver bullets and wooden stakes.   No, it doesn't.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:39:27 GMT . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>% Subject: java interactive vs detached - Message-ID: <jh7kd.134563$df2.45852@edtnps89>   J I have an java application 1.4.2.3 on my openVMS 7.3-1 Alpha DS-25 2x CPU L with the required ECO's that behave differently whether running interactive  mode vs detached mode.  J The application is a multi-threaded tcpip socket listener.  I have client J applications that attach to the java server socket port and then the java L code starts a thread which calls a web service based upon parameters passed L from the client socket and returns data back to the client. The client then   closes the ip socket connection.  L When this server process is running from an interactive session the process K behaves correctly.  The $show proc/cont/inter=1/id=?? screen shows dio and  L bio growth while the client is connected and then stops once the client has K disconnected.  However when running from the same user but as detached the  M dio continues to increment (1's or 2's) even after the client has closed the  I socket.  I know there are no client connections because I issues command  J $pipe tcpip show device | sear sys$pipe 9998 "my server port number"  and L there are no client connections, just the "*' record indicating the port is G there ready.  The bio does not increase just the dio and I can see the  1 base/curr priority changing as the dio increases.   L I had tried the logical java$enable_sigquit_mailbox TRUE but that still did K not help.  I know this is not a big issue as the server does work properly   but why is there a difference.   Any ideas why?   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 12:14:45 -0600 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ) Subject: Re: java interactive vs detached 3 Message-ID: <lXtll13ck0zS@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ^ In article <jh7kd.134563$df2.45852@edtnps89>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes:L > I have an java application 1.4.2.3 on my openVMS 7.3-1 Alpha DS-25 2x CPU N > with the required ECO's that behave differently whether running interactive  > mode vs detached mode.  F    Is it possible that one of the many logical names which control theG    JRE behaviour is defined in a table that is seen by your interactive H    process but not by the detached process (such as a process logical in    your login.com)?   -    How are you starting the detached process?    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:58:01 -0000 1 From: wspencer@ap.dontspamme.org (Warren Spencer) > Subject: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows1 Message-ID: <959C6FB63wspenceraporg@216.168.3.30>   > http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/11/09/HNskipitanium_1.html   --   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:21:43 -0500 From: norm.raphael@metso.comB Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing WindowsQ Message-ID: <OFF80D39E7.F33F1F05-ON85256F47.005370CF-85256F47.00546513@metso.com>   2 ..with allys like this, Carly needs no enemies....   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:53:01 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows, Message-ID: <I5GdnUck8cp8eg3cRVn-pw@igs.net>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: 4 > ..with allys like this, Carly needs no enemies....    , Goodbye carly(tm), we're glad to see you go.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:10:09 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows' Message-ID: <4190EBE1.2090705@MMaz.com>    Warren Spencer wrote:   ? >http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/11/09/HNskipitanium_1.html  >  >    > I Sounds like taps playing for Itanic...  How that translates to an impact  I on VMS certainly can't be favorable, porting to a dead-end architecture?  E Any side bets as to when they might actually awaken and realize that  G what has been discussed on this list for years had merit and that they   really screwed up?     Barry    --    < Barry Treahy, Jr                     E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com< Midwest Microwave, Inc.                  Phone: 480/314-1320< Vice President & CIO                      FAX:  480/661-7028  I                        ... but it's a DRY HEAT!                              ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:39:11 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows+ Message-ID: <cmqrrf$mns$1@naig.caltech.edu>    Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > Warren Spencer wrote:  > A >> http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/11/09/HNskipitanium_1.html  >> >>   >>K > Sounds like taps playing for Itanic...  How that translates to an impact  K > on VMS certainly can't be favorable, porting to a dead-end architecture?  G > Any side bets as to when they might actually awaken and realize that  I > what has been discussed on this list for years had merit and that they   > really screwed up? >   4 "They" have already personally banked millions while9 destroying a series of once profitable computer companies 9 (DEC -> Compaq -> HP computing).  "They" will not wake up  because "they" have either:   *    1. already moved on to greener pastures+    2. soon will move on to greener pastures   2 Plus "they" don't give a rat's arse about anything4 other than their own personal bottom line, which has/ been ridiculously unrelated to their actual job  performance.  8 Just accept that bad things happen to good companies and6 that for the last 20 years or so those bad things have generally been "them".   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:42:29 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows, Message-ID: <4190F369.87E7F22E@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote: . > Goodbye carly(tm), we're glad to see you go.  J What was newsworthy about that announcement was a "clustered" windows with8 more than 2 nodes, capable of scaling to supercomputing.  D While VMS's clustering is probably still by far superior in terms ofK technology, in terms of marketing, it makes it much harder to differentiate L VMS from Windows/Unix whose claims of clustering are quite loud and visible.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:03:24 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows, Message-ID: <4190F84E.150822D8@teksavvy.com>   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote:K >> on VMS certainly can't be favorable, porting to a dead-end architecture? F > Any side bets as to when they might actually awaken and realize thatH > what has been discussed on this list for years had merit and that they > really screwed up?  K Both Alpha and Pa-Risc acted as catalists to generate far more profits than L the chip development costs. And up until a few years ago, same could be said	 of Sparc.   K Everyone knows that IA64 is not the success HP had been telling everyone it J would be. By mid 2005, if Alpha and Pa-Risc sales still exceed IA64 sales,G then everyone at HP will know about IA64 not being wanted by customers.   M Even Carly's hairdresser knows that.  But there are people whose job requires K that they spin IA64 in a positive light. And until their employer announces M widthdrawal of IA64, they must say nice things about IA64. But unless you can J get them in a happy state in a bar, you probably will never hear them talk/ about rumours of Ia64's future or lack thereof.    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:04:56 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukB Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows( Message-ID: <cmqtbo$u8$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>  \ In article <4190F369.87E7F22E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >John Smith wrote:/ >> Goodbye carly(tm), we're glad to see you go.  > K >What was newsworthy about that announcement was a "clustered" windows with 9 >more than 2 nodes, capable of scaling to supercomputing.  > E >While VMS's clustering is probably still by far superior in terms of L >technology, in terms of marketing, it makes it much harder to differentiateM >VMS from Windows/Unix whose claims of clustering are quite loud and visible.   C This is High Performance Computing. The Microsoft product is called , Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster Edition.   ie  N This is about sharing out a compute intensive task to a "cluster" of computing servers.< This isn't about shared access to data or high availability.    
 David Webb Security Team Leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:16:53 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows, Message-ID: <fMydnSiwKLEXZg3cRVn-ig@igs.net>   david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote: 7 > In article <4190F369.87E7F22E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei ( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: >> John Smith wrote:0 >>> Goodbye carly(tm), we're glad to see you go. >>@ >> What was newsworthy about that announcement was a "clustered"H >> windows with more than 2 nodes, capable of scaling to supercomputing. >>G >> While VMS's clustering is probably still by far superior in terms of @ >> technology, in terms of marketing, it makes it much harder toE >> differentiate VMS from Windows/Unix whose claims of clustering are  >> quite loud and visible. > E > This is High Performance Computing. The Microsoft product is called . > Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster Edition. >  > ie > F > This is about sharing out a compute intensive task to a "cluster" of > computing 
 > servers.> > This isn't about shared access to data or high availability.    C Do you really think that the average CIO drone is going to make the  distinction?  / I think not, having seen it all too many times.   J He/she will go with what's marketed and VMS is *NOT* marketed, ergo a saleG which should have been a VMS sale based on the real requirements of the L organization will go to Microsoft because that's what the drone hears about.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:17:47 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows1 Message-ID: <%Y6kd.2611$Lg.2260@news.cpqcorp.net>    Warren Spencer wrote: @ > http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/11/09/HNskipitanium_1.html  B The word "skip" in the title is misleading. It's just a matter of E timing. "Microsoft plans to support Itanium 2 in a second release of  - Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster Edition."   G Right now, "The HPC space is currently dominated by the Unix and Linux  B operating systems running on 64-bit systems, including Itanium 2. / Microsoft is looking to break into the market."   G So folks who want to use Itanium 2 in their HPTC clusters for its high  H computational performance will just use Linux at first, which is likely ! what they would have done anyway.   7 Intel is telling everyone who will listen that by 2007: < 1) The price of Xeon and Itanium chips will be the same, and  2) Itanium will be twice as fast  J So Windows Compute Cluster Edition will support Itanium in plenty of time.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:11:20 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukB Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows( Message-ID: <cmqtno$ua$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>  I In article <cmqtbo$u8$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk writes: ] >In article <4190F369.87E7F22E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >>John Smith wrote: 0 >>> Goodbye carly(tm), we're glad to see you go. >>L >>What was newsworthy about that announcement was a "clustered" windows with: >>more than 2 nodes, capable of scaling to supercomputing. >>F >>While VMS's clustering is probably still by far superior in terms ofM >>technology, in terms of marketing, it makes it much harder to differentiate N >>VMS from Windows/Unix whose claims of clustering are quite loud and visible. > D >This is High Performance Computing. The Microsoft product is called- >Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster Edition.  >  >ie  > O >This is about sharing out a compute intensive task to a "cluster" of computing 	 >servers. = >This isn't about shared access to data or high availability.  >   O You can find more about this Microsoft product (under its older name of Windows  server 2003 HPC ) at  = http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/06/23/HNwindowshpc_1.html     D Unfortunately the word cluster has several different meanings in IT.    
 David Webb Security Team Leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 17:25:46 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows1 Message-ID: <u47kd.2612$bk.2328@news.cpqcorp.net>    Warren Spencer wrote: @ > http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/11/09/HNskipitanium_1.html  H And folks who feel that because Microsoft is choosing to support 64-bit C extensions to x86 first and Itanium later for this Compute Cluster  I Edition release, and interpret this as doom for Itanium, should remember  I that Microsoft first supported Itanium on Windows Server and SQL Server,  I and that didn't doom 64-bit extensions to x86, for which there was still  C not an offical 64-bit Windows (XP, much less Server) or SQL Server   release, last I heard.   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:03:56 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.ukB Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows) Message-ID: <cmr0qc$1s5$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   R In article <fMydnSiwKLEXZg3cRVn-ig@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  >david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:8 >> In article <4190F369.87E7F22E@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei) >> <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  >>> John Smith wrote: 1 >>>> Goodbye carly(tm), we're glad to see you go.  >>> A >>> What was newsworthy about that announcement was a "clustered" I >>> windows with more than 2 nodes, capable of scaling to supercomputing.  >>> H >>> While VMS's clustering is probably still by far superior in terms ofA >>> technology, in terms of marketing, it makes it much harder to F >>> differentiate VMS from Windows/Unix whose claims of clustering are >>> quite loud and visible.  >>F >> This is High Performance Computing. The Microsoft product is called/ >> Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster Edition.  >> >> ie  >>G >> This is about sharing out a compute intensive task to a "cluster" of  >> computing >> servers. ? >> This isn't about shared access to data or high availability.  >  > D >Do you really think that the average CIO drone is going to make the
 >distinction?  > 0 >I think not, having seen it all too many times. > K >He/she will go with what's marketed and VMS is *NOT* marketed, ergo a sale H >which should have been a VMS sale based on the real requirements of theM >organization will go to Microsoft because that's what the drone hears about.  > P Of course. But all we can do is point out the fact that the term clustering has M these multiple meanings and if their requirement is for shared access or high 2 availability Microsoft does not have the solution.      
 David Webb Security Team Leader CCSS Middlesex University     >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:22:28 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: Need DLT label stock , Message-ID: <Kbqdnd3G7oY0Tw3cRVn-sQ@igs.net>   Bob Kaplow wrote: ? > Where does one order the little paper DLT label inserts from?  > H > Once upon a time, we had some custom printed. But they were ordered by? > someone no longer here, from a long gone vendor. If I can get E > something custom or semi-custom that would be great, but I'd settle E > for something that has spaces that I could write in the system name < > and date. Perhaps in different colors, or with some way toD > differentiate between daily incremental and weekly image. Or maybeF > blank stock that I can run through either a laser or inkjet printer.B > As long as it's pre-perforated in the right size, about 20x56mm.    < No idea - check www.avery.com to see if they have something.  H Or simplest choice is probably buying some 80lb. card stock at the local Staples and a paper cutter.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 09:32:10 +0100 . From: huber@NOBODY-mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber) Subject: Re: NFS weirdness+ Message-ID: <jLOUAFqBRhlM@vms.mppmu.mpg.de>   l In article <4b6ec350.0411081105.709d60f9@posting.google.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes:. > lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) wrote3 >> If I rename the file to all uppercase, it works. + > We have run into various features of NFS. F > When the NFS directory is hosted on Windows, whatever case we use in4 > the filename, on the OpenVMS side we see two files > $copy nl: nfs_dir:ABCDE. > $dir nfs_dir > Directory NFS:[XX] > .$$ADF$$ABCDE;1 
 > ABCDE.;1 > delete/log nfs_dir:ABCDE.;7 > %DELETE-I-FILDEL, NFS:[XX]ABCDE.;1 deleted (0 blocks) G > But, if the file is created on the Windows side, we only see one file > > on the OpenVMS side using a remotely mounted NFS mount point > abcde.! > Appears on OpenVMS as one file:  > $dir nfs_dir > Directory NFS:[XX]
 > ABCDE.;1H > You might notice different behavior with various (earlier) versions ofC > the tcp/ip stack or with the host platform (e.g. Linux instead of 
 > Windows)H > With earlier versions of software and mixing the case in the file name > aBcDe > > we used to see additional $ embedded in the filename such as > .$$ADF$$A_$BC_$DE;1 A > The lesson that we learned was to educate the developers to use G > functions such as lower(filename) or UPPER(filename) to ensure of the  > case of files.E > When a Java developer searched for *.xml files and there was a file	
 > named x.XMLs1 > it did not select the file because of the case.b > Case is important.2 > Jim Strehlow, OpenVMS and Database Administrator > Alameda, CA, USA   Check Your TCPIP MOUNT options:e  /ADF=CREATE or /NOADFK  /STRUCTURE=2 or 5  i.e. treat the volume like a VMS ODS-2 or ODS-5 volume.vC The filename-translation is different for ODS-2 vs. ODS-5 volumes, i/ also influenced by several DECC$ logicals like  5  DECC$FILENAME_UNIX_REPORT, DECC$FILENAME_UNIX_ONLY,  4  DECC$EFS_CASE_PRESERVE, DECC$READDIR_DROPDOTNOTYPE, (Java uses these DECC rules !),   a& and also by SET PROCESS /PARSE_STYLE .  9 See TCPIP HELP MOUNT and HELP SET PROCESS /PARSE_STYLE ! i -- f6    Joseph Huber, Muenchen  http://www.huber-joseph.de/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:41:41 +0100, From: "Ferry Bolhar" <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at>" Subject: PS2 Mouse on a 200 4/233.5 Message-ID: <1099993303.818938@proxy.dienste.wien.at>r   Hello folks,  L recently, I changed my good old DEC 3000-300LX to an Alphastation 200 4/233.B Unlike the 3000, this system has a PS2 2-key-mouse attached to it.  L On the 3000, I used the center key very often when cutting and pasting text.L On the 200, there is no center key, but an - apparently - useless right key.  H Is there way to customize DECwindows to use the right key as center key?  2 BTW, it's OpenVMS V7.1 with DECwindows (CDE) V1.2.  1 MTIA for any help, and kind greetings from Vienna4   Ferrye   -- o Ing. Ferry Bolhar % Municipality of Vienna, Department 14y A-1010 Vienna / AUSTRIAx E-mail: bol@adv.magwien.gv.ato   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:30:46 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)& Subject: Re: PS2 Mouse on a 200 4/233.$ Message-ID: <cmq68m$pg4$1@online.de>  D In article <1099993303.818938@proxy.dienste.wien.at>, "Ferry Bolhar"  <bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes:   N > recently, I changed my good old DEC 3000-300LX to an Alphastation 200 4/233.D > Unlike the 3000, this system has a PS2 2-key-mouse attached to it.  G I have a 3000-300LX (I'm using it right now, posting via NEWSRDR from alE VT320) and an ALPHAstation 255/233 (the 200 4/233 is situated betweeng@ these two models).  A (three-button) hockey-puck mouse is what IH connected to the 3000.  The 255/233 has a PS/2 mouse.  However, my mouseG on the 255 is three-button and, as far as I can tell, works exactly thec? same as the hockey puck on the 3000.  Thus my suggestion: get as9 three-button PS/2 mouse, plug it in, and see if it works.h   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:19:45 +0100I From: Miguel Angel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Us=F3n?= Finkenzeller <mauf2@unizar.es> & Subject: Re: PS2 Mouse on a 200 4/233.3 Message-ID: <l03110703bdb6d2bff5e3@[155.210.90.37]>s  E >In article <1099993303.818938@proxy.dienste.wien.at>, "Ferry Bolhar"o  ><bol@adv.magwien.gv.at> writes: >eM >> recently, I changed my good old DEC 3000-300LX to an Alphastation 200 4/2=i 33.eE >> Unlike the 3000, this system has a PS2 2-key-mouse attached to it.t >sH >I have a 3000-300LX (I'm using it right now, posting via NEWSRDR from aF >VT320) and an ALPHAstation 255/233 (the 200 4/233 is situated betweenA >these two models).  A (three-button) hockey-puck mouse is what I2I >connected to the 3000.  The 255/233 has a PS/2 mouse.  However, my mouse H >on the 255 is three-button and, as far as I can tell, works exactly the@ >same as the hockey puck on the 3000.  Thus my suggestion: get a: >three-button PS/2 mouse, plug it in, and see if it works.      H Just checked on-site. A colleague of mine (seven doors southwards) has aC DEC Alphastation 200 4/166, with the original |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| PS/2,tH 3-button mouse connected. We expect it to work all right, but none of us5 knows what the right hand button is supposed to do...t     Regardso   Miguel =C1ngel Us=F3nf   ------------ Dept. of Inorganic Chemistry University of Zaragoza
 E-50009 SPAINo  A P.S. My 255/300 also has the original 3-button PS/2 mouse. SystemsJ specifications only specify "Mouse connector 18 connects a PS/2 compatible, mouse"; not the number of buttons. Just try!   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 09:58:51 -0800a- From: martin.walker@csf.co.uk (Martin Walker) Y Subject: Re: Sys$Startup:License_Check.Exe (revisited) - OPENVMS-ALPHA not authorized on o= Message-ID: <2462c4e9.0411090958.2d22ce56@posting.google.com>   | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<cmj6oo$3l0$1@online.de>...= > In article <d69b99f3.0411040539.d9735e@posting.google.com>,f1 > kor.rinkens@vodafone.com (Kor Rinkens) writes: w > F > > Mounting the disks in the sylogicals.com is alright, after this beG > > sure to have the lmf$license logical defined in the sylogicals.com.oE > > If you have this then it should be alright. This works on our vms  > > clusters > G > Right.  Actually, I define it not in SYLOGICALS.COM, but rather in a i, > procedure on the newly mounted shadow set. > J > > Maybe you have put a include is "node:" in the for example the volshadI > > license for each node in the cluster. If you do not do this the first G > > node to boot can consume all the units for that particular license.  > I > This doesn't seem to be happening.  I admit I haven't thought of this,  K > but I don't think it is a problem with the hobbyist license.  I only use  6 > /INCLUDE for the VAX-VMS and OPENVMS-ALPHA licenses.  F I would always restrict licenses to their correct node - makes license management easier.  , You can use LICENSE LOAD/DATABASE=<filespec>  F Beware that (unless it's changed recently) if you not are in a cluster? the /INCLUDE option is ignored - all acceptable licenses in thedB database are loaded.  You may need to add LICENSE UNLOAD <license>> /AUTH=<xxx> to get what you want or explicitly load individual	 licenses.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:47:08 GMTC" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG( Subject: Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions0 Message-ID: <00A3A9B0.74286A07@SendSpamHere.ORG>  q In article <3ZJFz45fWwzk@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:rd >In article <418FA0E9.2A3DF334@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes: >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> 5 >>> the VMS FAQ web page offers a variety of formats.a >>> P >>> For me, being on VAX, bookreader is far more useful and far faster to accessW >>> than other formats, and it would be nice if that file format could be made to work.c >> IB >> How many *paying* customers are currently using a *VAX* to readD >> online OpenVMS docs ? My guess is that 99% are using PDF on a PC. >  >   Not in this lifetime.o  H I'd like to see the BookReader format myself.  However, when it comes toI reading PDF, I do not and will not use a PeeCee.  I read PDF files on VMS G or on my Apple Powerbook G4 17" laptop.  I prefer them on VMS but everyoG once in a while there's something in the PDF that causes it to make thet PDF readers crash.  H I really wish HP and VMS engineering would stop insulting us with all of this "use a PeeCee" crap.      -- o< http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.l -- f, Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMs   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 06:07:09 -0800l  From: jordan.henderson@gmail.com( Subject: Re: VMS FAQ website suggestionsC Message-ID: <1100009229.755969.239610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>u  F Seeing as VMS Engineering goes to all the trouble to keep a reasonablyD up-to-date Mozilla  available, the HTML format seems, to me, to be a viable alternative.c  D For what the FAQ really represents, not marketing literature, no (orC few) diagrams, just the FAQs (and the Answers!), the text format is E quite usable to me.  I can't remember the last time I've read the FAQ'F through cover-to-cover, although I will sometimes check what it has toD say on some specific issue, or read everything in a certain area I'mG working with, where good text search, such as is available to me with a 0 text editor (or Google) is what's really needed.  > I don't understand this desire to have everything esthetically' pleasing.  Focus on content, not style.e ---s -Jordan Henderson  jordan.henderson@gmail.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.623 ************************