1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 10 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 624       Contents:8 Re: %CXX-E-INCOMPLETETYP, incomplete type is not allowed 90TL Terminal Server Problem any interest in old CDs? RE: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS Re: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS& Re: Core dump from an image w/ ACCVIO?& Re: Core dump from an image w/ ACCVIO? Re: DCPS Version Support@ Re: FireFox 1.0 released - is there likely to be a VMS version ?- Re: how to implement an append only log file? " Re: HP offerings - but not for VMS" Re: HP offerings - but not for VMS" Re: HP offerings - but not for VMS  Re: java interactive vs detached Re: Last Call for Freeware V7.0 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows 9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows  Re: Need DLT label stock% Re: Sample C program to read Monitor? % Re: Sample C program to read Monitor?  Upgrading HSG80 Firmware.  Usage exceeds license limits  Re: Usage exceeds license limits  Re: Usage exceeds license limits  Re: Usage exceeds license limits Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions  Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions  Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions  Who created a file Re: Who created a file Re: Who created a file Re: Who created a file Re: Who created a file  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:49:42 -0500 5 From: "BG at nospam dot net" <"BG at nospam dot net"> A Subject: Re: %CXX-E-INCOMPLETETYP, incomplete type is not allowed , Message-ID: <419191d4$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  B Try to compile without __USE_STD_IOSTREAM macro defined and you'll# be using non-templatized iostreams.   
 Boris Gubenko    Wayne Chao wrote: D > I write a Oracle Pro C++ program on VMS 7.1.x the compiler give me > following error % > CIMIS2::TESTREPORT$ cxx /include=[] D > /DEBUG/NOOPT/DEFINE=(STATISTICS,DEBUG,__USE_STD_IOSTREAM) promld.c > 2 >   return new _RW_STD::ctype<char>(NULL,false,1); > .............^6 > %CXX-E-INCOMPLETETYP, incomplete type is not allowed5 > at line number 97 in module VENDOR. of text library ( > SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]CXXL$ANSI_DEF.TLB;1 > 2 >   return new _RW_STD::ctype<char>(NULL,false,1);) > ......................................^ " > %CXX-E-EXPRPAREN, expected a ")"5 > at line number 97 in module VENDOR. of text library ( > SYS$COMMON:[SYSLIB]CXXL$ANSI_DEF.TLB;1 > H > I checked the C file generate by Oracle ProC compiler. It doesn't haveG > any template. It seems the compiler use a wrong library(template) for " > char. Please help me to solve it >  >  > Thanks and regards > Wayne    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:05:28 -0500 / From: David Reed <junkman24@nospam.comcast.net> % Subject: 90TL Terminal Server Problem 0 Message-ID: <YbGdnbuO0fOVvgzcRVn-tQ@comcast.com>  I I have about 10 90tl terminal servers that I've upgraded to 4 meg of ram  C and currently use with TCP-IP to connect to various serial devices   (printers etc..). E They have static IP addresses and work really well. However every 60  G days exactly they quit responding. I go power them off and they reboot  ( and work fine again for another 60 days.? I am puzzled! There are no lease timers on static IP addresses. @ The lights on the front look "normal" The ones with active port K connections still have the port led's lit but can't ping them or anything..  What am I overlooking here ??    ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:05:30 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)! Subject: any interest in old CDs? $ Message-ID: <cmreva$b0n$1@online.de>  D I'm cleaning out my hobbyist machine room (not quite as extensive asH VAXman's VAXcave, but I'm getting there) and have run across several CDsF I don't need anymore or even never needed.  These are layered productsC (not OS), documentation, packages like "Internet Product Suite" etc E which I have accumulated over the years.  I realise that the stuff is ; quite dated (7 years old or so), but a) if one has, say, no G documentation CD at all, then an old CD might be preferable to none and G b) some people, for various reasons, are running an old version of VMS, G and thus might be interested in layered products and documentation from  the same timeframe.   H Before I go to the trouble of posting a list, I'd like to get an idea ifB anyone is potentially interested in this stuff.  Since CDs are notG heavy, they could be sent by post anywhere in the world.  I'd be happy  G to send them to anyone who wants them in exchange for reimbursement of  F the postage.  I'm in Germany, so people from Germany or at least from D Europe would be preferable since otherwise the fees associated with @ money transfer might be comparable to the amount of money being  transferred.  G Which reminds me: I soon (next few weeks) plan to organise some way of  G receiving payment for little or no cost to me or the other end since I  H want to auction off a few things on Ebay (including an ALPHAserver 2000 G and an ALPHAserver 2100).  What do folks here recommend?  PayPal seems  I to be pretty common, but I've heard many negative things about it.  (I'm  B not talking big time here, so something like setting myself up to G receive credit-card payments is overkill; we're talking the equivalent   of a car-boot sale.)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:08:31 -0600* From: Michael Clark <MClark@Nemschoff.com>' Subject: RE: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS Q Message-ID: <A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F914@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com>    > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Jack Peacock [mailto:peacock@simconv.com] + > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:08 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Re: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS  >  > : > "Michael Clark" <MClark@Nemschoff.com> wrote in message @ > news:A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F910@EMAILSERVER2.nem > schoff.com... @ > << I have written allow all rules for to and from the OpenVMS  > machine into  4 > the ISA Firewall, but it does not seem to help. >> > ? > In ISA 2004 turn on logging, then initiate a connection to a   > recordset on  @ > VMS from a PC workstation.  The log should show you what port  > is being used G > and where the problem is, including the rule that's denying traffic.  8 > Without knowing what kind of protocol Connx uses it's  > difficult to tell if  > > your rule is set up properly.  (Ideally you want to do this  > when no one else  ? > is using the firewall, after hours.  Filtering to reduce log   > traffic might  > cause you to miss something.)  >   Jack Peacock   > 1 Thank you for the help everyone, got me closer =)   B Well, I used tcpdump on BSD and TCPTrace to get a little closer.  ? Port 6500 is being used by connx  The traffic gets to the alpha C comes back to ISA, then goes no where.  ISA is not pushing it back  B through the NAT.  MSSQL odbc's work fine, IMAP and other protocols@ so I am not sure what is different with connx.  The ISA Firewall; log shows :6500 traffic coming into the external interface.            A CONFIDENTIALITY NOTE: This electronic transmission, including all L attachments, is directed in confidence solely to the person(s) to whom it isL addressed, or an authorized recipient, and may not otherwise be distributed,L copied or disclosed. The contents of the transmission may also be subject toJ intellectual property rights and all such rights are expressly claimed andG are not waived. If you have received this transmission in error, please H notify the sender immediately by return electronic transmission and thenH immediately delete this transmission, including all attachments, without* copying, distributing or disclosing same.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 01:57:33 +0100 . From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@siol.net>' Subject: Re: Connx ODBC for OpenVMS RMS 1 Message-ID: <1Idkd.5452$F6.1281202@news.siol.net>   7 "Michael Clark" <MClark@Nemschoff.com> wrote in message K news:A2A28DB6D52E084783ACD6E6C6F5D7900274F914@EMAILSERVER2.nemschoff.com...  > B > Well, I used tcpdump on BSD and TCPTrace to get a little closer.A > Port 6500 is being used by connx  The traffic gets to the alpha D > comes back to ISA, then goes no where.  ISA is not pushing it backD > through the NAT.  MSSQL odbc's work fine, IMAP and other protocolsB > so I am not sure what is different with connx.  The ISA Firewall= > log shows :6500 traffic coming into the external interface.    Hi Michael,   J seems that you didn't define mapping rule for port 6500. On NAT router youJ must map incoming port to a specific host and port combination if you wish to have incoming communication.    Best, Gorazd   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:37:45 GMT  From: Jim Duff <jim@127.0.0.1>/ Subject: Re: Core dump from an image w/ ACCVIO? C Message-ID: <d2gkd.2351$7i4.856@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>    Z wrote:* > When an image ACCVIOs I get a traceback. > 4 > Sometimes that's enough, but most times, it's not. > G > I'd like to get a core dump, as I would on Unix, a core that I could  C > load into the debugger to aid in the analysis of what went wrong.  >  > Is that possible on VMS? > 
 > If so, how?  > K > This is Open VMS 7-1.2.  Code is written DEC C, compiled with /DEBUG but  I > not linked /DEBUG.  I cannot replace the image with the ACCVIO problem  K > (it's on a customer system and ANY new code must first be approved) with  % > another version, built differently.  > J > But I can change SYSGEN params, for example, if one of them will get me  > a core dump on ACCVIO. > M > Also, the image is run in a detached process, if that makes any difference.   F Although you can't change this application, it's worth keeping one of G the best sneaky tricks on VMS in mind for next time.  Namely, that you  H can dump process memory even if you haven't issued a $ SET PROCESS/DUMP.  I You do this by calling lib$signal (SS$_IMGDMP) in a condition handler on  H receipt of an unexpected error (or any error if that's what you want ;-)   For example:   #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h>  #include <ssdef.h> #include <lib$routines.h>  #include <starlet.h>    static unsigned long int handler"      (unsigned long int sigargs[],$       unsigned long int *mechargs) {        /* >      ** Normal condition handling code goes here, for example,:      ** use lib$match () to test codes you want to handle.=      ** Normally a return would go in here with SS$_CONTINUE, F      ** SS$_RESIGNAL, etc, and we wouldn't need to satify the compiler      ** at the end...       */         /* /      ** Unexpected error!  Dump process memory.       */ #      (void)lib$signal (SS$_IMGDMP); 0      return SS$_RESIGNAL; /* satisfy compiler */ }    int main (void) {    static char *p = NULL;  $      (void)lib$establish (&handler);        /* '      ** Generate an access violation...       */ 0      (void)printf ("Access violation %d\n", *p); }     I Or another of Hoff's favourite tricks: dynamically invoking the debugger  " by doing a lib$signal (SS$_DEBUG).  = And with that, you've given me an idea for another article...    Jim. --   jim at eight dash cubed dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:58:16 -0800  From: Z <z@no.spam> / Subject: Re: Core dump from an image w/ ACCVIO? 0 Message-ID: <10p34dopblohj21@corp.supernews.com>   Jim Duff wrote: K > You do this by calling lib$signal (SS$_IMGDMP) in a condition handler on  J > receipt of an unexpected error (or any error if that's what you want ;-)   Nice.  Thanks.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:51:53 GMT * From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>! Subject: Re: DCPS Version Support 5 Message-ID: <091120041551524639%paul.anderson@hp.com>   4 In article <I6vpGF.43K@news.boeing.com>, Milt Zlatic# <milton.t.zlatic@boeing.com> wrote:   G > Due to contractual obligations, we're stuck at OPENVMS VAX 6.1. Can I G > use any 2.x version of DCPS? The SPD lists 5-5.2, 7.2, 7.3. Why would : > it run on a 5.5-2 system and not run on any 6.x version?  C In the DCPS documentation, we can only list versions of the OpenVMS 5 operating system that themselves are supported by HP.   F Releases from V1.6 through the current release, DCPS V2.3, will run onD any version of OpenVMS Alpha V6.1 or later and OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2 or later.  ? The next release, DCPS V2.4, will be installed with PCSI, which D requires OpenVMS V6.2.  OpenVMS VAX V5.5-2 customers that have PriorD Version Support will have to contact HP for a VMSINSTAL kit, as only! the PCSI kit will be distributed.    Paul   --    Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineering    Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:24:04 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> I Subject: Re: FireFox 1.0 released - is there likely to be a VMS version ? , Message-ID: <9IqdnZKJo_sU3gzcRVn-hw@igs.net>   david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote: ; > In article <qdWdnVw4zaw2nQzcRVn-tQ@igs.net>, "John Smith"  > <a@nonymous.com> writes:" >> david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk wrote:5 >>> Mozilla have now officially released Firefox 1.0.  >>>  >>> see  >>> 3 >>> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5443931.html  >>>  >>> 6 >>> Is there likely to be a VMS version of this soon ? >> >>H >> I wouldn't waste the effort on a meagre 411,000 systems if I were the >> Firefox developers. >>7 > I was thinking more of HP working on it since it is a  > follow-on/replacement G > for Mozilla and the only supported browser on VMS is now SWB which is  > based on Mozilla.     J I hear what you are saying and sympathize with your point of view as it isL my own as well, however the mythical 411,000 systems amounts to a relativelyF small handful of 'workstation' type users who might possibly use a webG browser on a VMS system. The rest have been consumed by the Borg or the  Penguin.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 12:36:27 -0600 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 6 Subject: Re: how to implement an append only log file?3 Message-ID: <npL7eZV4WGBD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <ae3d5869.0411090114.7b47b697@posting.google.com>, bonzinib60@arcor.de (Josef Jarousse) writes:F > Thank you for your advices. As I feared there is no "out of the box"? > solution to my problem. Isn't it astonishing that there is no / > OS-support to a problem that seems classical?   F You have not made it clear whether you are expecting to defend againstE a fully privileged system manager.  If so, no solution is possible in  any operating system.   B > I think we will implement something like a file or database thatG > encrypts its content and computes a MAC every time an entry is added. E > We will not be able to know what has been changed but at least that " > someone tried to mask something.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 17:33:45 -0500# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> + Subject: Re: HP offerings - but not for VMS , Message-ID: <laudncf6QJ5S2AzcRVn-hw@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote:  > John Smith wrote: G >> As Henry Ford might have put it, "You can have it on anything except  >> OpenVMS." > E > Reliable Transaction Router (RTR) Software is available on OpenVMS, G > Windows, Linux, even Solaris, but not on HP-UX. But that doesn't mean D > HP doesn't support HP-UX. It's just an artifact of its development
 > history.  E Or the fact that Digital and Compaq didn't necessarily want to give a K competitor (HP at the time) another reason for customers to continue to use J PH-UX. DEC/CPQ sought to suppress demand for HP-UX by denying it a leadingL piece of middleware. That it was available on Solaris and AIX was a function of customer demand.     B >  From the statement "The real-time database, or operational dataE > store, runs on the HP NonStop platform" we can infer that this most & > likely came out of the Tandem world.  H I won't dispute that but it is appears that HP seemingly does not have aC policy of playing even-handedly with its own applications it offers 
 customers.  G >> HP deliberately targets OpenVMS the same way superstitious people go G >> after werewolves and vampires with silver bullets and wooden stakes.  >  > No, it doesn't.   I Where are carly(tm)'s statements in public about OpenVMS? Where's the VMS K advertising? And please Keith, don't say 'Just wait until we start shipping K IA64/VMS v8.2' cuz HP should have been building the VMS customer base since L the merger with advertising and publically promoting its use - but it don't. I'm not blaming you okay?   I It's almost as if HP has a great antipathy towards VMS - but it certainly - appears worse than that to the outside world.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:24:05 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>+ Subject: Re: HP offerings - but not for VMS , Message-ID: <41915195.7030100@tsoft-inc.com>   Keith Parris wrote:    > John Smith wrote:  > G >> As Henry Ford might have put it, "You can have it on anything except  >> OpenVMS." >  > F > Reliable Transaction Router (RTR) Software is available on OpenVMS, K > Windows, Linux, even Solaris, but not on HP-UX. But that doesn't mean HP  J > doesn't support HP-UX. It's just an artifact of its development history. > J >  From the statement "The real-time database, or operational data store, K > runs on the HP NonStop platform" we can infer that this most likely came   > out of the Tandem world. > H >> HP deliberately targets OpenVMS the same way superstitious people go  >> afterA >> werewolves and vampires with silver bullets and wooden stakes.  >  >  > No, it doesn't.   ) Yep! Gotta agree.  HP doesn't target VMS.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:02:38 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: HP offerings - but not for VMS , Message-ID: <41916896.E0688C7E@teksavvy.com>   David Froble wrote: + > Yep! Gotta agree.  HP doesn't target VMS.   D Perhaps HP subscribed to gartner and is convinced VMS has no hope of8 surviving, so why bother mentioning and advertising it ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:24:51 GMT . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>) Subject: Re: java interactive vs detached . Message-ID: <Tsbkd.135690$df2.103289@edtnps89>   This is my command to start it  ! $ run   sys$system:loginout.exe -          /detached -          /authorize -3         /input=eccnet$root:[com]eccnet$server.com - 4         /output=eccnet$root:[log]eccnet$server.log -3         /error=eccnet$root:[log]eccnet$server.log - %         /process_name="ECCNET$SERVER"   G $! Command that the above launches "eccnet$root:[com]eccnet$server.com"   $! This is what runs at detached $!( $ define/process/nolog  java$classpath -                 "[]", - *                 "eccnet$root:[classes]", -9                 "axis$root:[axis-1_1.lib]axis-ant.jar", - 5                 "axis$root:[axis-1_1.lib]axis.jar", - B                 "axis$root:[axis-1_1.lib]commons-discovery.jar", -@                 "axis$root:[axis-1_1.lib]commons-logging.jar", -7                 "axis$root:[axis-1_1.lib]jaxrpc.jar", - <                 "axis$root:[axis-1_1.lib]log4j-1.2.8.jar", -5                 "axis$root:[axis-1_1.lib]saaj.jar", - 7                 "axis$root:[axis-1_1.lib]wsdl4j.jar", - /                 "rdb$jdbc_dir:rdbnative.jar", - *                 "rdb$jdbc_dir:rdbthin.jar" $!8 $ define/process/nolog sys$scratch eccnet$root:[scratch] $!) $! Get The Port number defined by startup  $!; $ tcp_port = f$trnlnm("eccnet$tcp_port","LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE")  $!2 $! Run java command passing in parameters required $!L $ java "eccNet.myClass" "-l''tcp_port'" "-r/eccnet$root/com/eccnet$rmu.com"  "''p1'"   I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:lXtll13ck0zS@eisner.encompasserve.org... C > In article <jh7kd.134563$df2.45852@edtnps89>, "Jerry Alan Braga"   > <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes: L >> I have an java application 1.4.2.3 on my openVMS 7.3-1 Alpha DS-25 2x CPUC >> with the required ECO's that behave differently whether running   >> interactive >> mode vs detached mode.  > G >   Is it possible that one of the many logical names which control the H >   JRE behaviour is defined in a table that is seen by your interactiveI >   process but not by the detached process (such as a process logical in  >   your login.com)? > . >   How are you starting the detached process? >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:40:21 GMT # From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) ( Subject: Re: Last Call for Freeware V7.00 Message-ID: <F29kd.2634$dy.704@news.cpqcorp.net>  ` In article <41902B7C.2C6397E9@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  6   re: Last call for OpenVMS Freeware V7 submissions...  H :I submitted a URL from the freeware CD website. Dunno if you got it. IfH :not, please let me know. How to de-mung the reply-to should be obvious.  G   I thought I replied to your submission; ah, well.  I saw the pointer.   ,   URL: http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/freeware    N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faq N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:29:59 +0100  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows- Message-ID: <cmr2b2$2789$1@news.cybercity.dk>    David Mathog wrote:  > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: >> Warren Spencer wrote: >>B >>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/11/09/HNskipitanium_1.html >>>  >>>  >>> D >> Sounds like taps playing for Itanic...  How that translates to anD >> impact on VMS certainly can't be favorable, porting to a dead-endD >> architecture? Any side bets as to when they might actually awakenF >> and realize that what has been discussed on this list for years had) >> merit and that they really screwed up?  >> > 6 > "They" have already personally banked millions while; > destroying a series of once profitable computer companies ; > (DEC -> Compaq -> HP computing).  "They" will not wake up  > because "they" have either:  > , >    1. already moved on to greener pastures- >    2. soon will move on to greener pastures  > 4 > Plus "they" don't give a rat's arse about anything6 > other than their own personal bottom line, which has1 > been ridiculously unrelated to their actual job  > performance. > : > Just accept that bad things happen to good companies and8 > that for the last 20 years or so those bad things have > generally been "them". > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@caltech.edu   Dave,   L I could not agree more !  I just wish Itanic would sink in double quick timeK so that whatever might be left of VMS and the business surrounding it might F be salvaged on yet another chip - Opteron being the only game in town.  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 11:03:16 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows( Message-ID: <opsg7ojqnqzgicya@hyrrokkin>  B On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:29:59 +0100, Dr. Dweeb <dr@dweeb.com> wrote:   > David Mathog wrote:  >> Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:  >>> Warren Spencer wrote:  >>> C >>>> http://www.infoworld.com/article/04/11/09/HNskipitanium_1.html  >>>> >>>> >>>>E >>> Sounds like taps playing for Itanic...  How that translates to an E >>> impact on VMS certainly can't be favorable, porting to a dead-end E >>> architecture? Any side bets as to when they might actually awaken G >>> and realize that what has been discussed on this list for years had * >>> merit and that they really screwed up? >>>  >>7 >> "They" have already personally banked millions while < >> destroying a series of once profitable computer companies< >> (DEC -> Compaq -> HP computing).  "They" will not wake up >> because "they" have either: >>- >>    1. already moved on to greener pastures . >>    2. soon will move on to greener pastures >>5 >> Plus "they" don't give a rat's arse about anything 7 >> other than their own personal bottom line, which has 2 >> been ridiculously unrelated to their actual job >> performance.  >>; >> Just accept that bad things happen to good companies and 9 >> that for the last 20 years or so those bad things have  >> generally been "them".  >> >> Regards,  >> >> David Mathog  >> mathog@caltech.edu  >  > Dave,  > K > I could not agree more !  I just wish Itanic would sink in double quick    > timeI > so that whatever might be left of VMS and the business surrounding it    > might H > be salvaged on yet another chip - Opteron being the only game in town. >  an elusively wise startegy.    > Dr. Dweeb  >  >        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 14:57:54 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows, Message-ID: <41912131.F15BB32D@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: 9 > Intel is telling everyone who will listen that by 2007: > > 1) The price of Xeon and Itanium chips will be the same, and" > 2) Itanium will be twice as fast > L > So Windows Compute Cluster Edition will support Itanium in plenty of time.  M In 2001, we were told that IA64 would be "great" within a year. A year later, K we were told to wait another couple of years. Now, we have to wait 3 years.   M IA64 may get a 100% speed boost within 3 years. But what speed boost will the 0 competition be getting in the same time period ?  L I really don't see why anyone would expect/wait/dream about windows on IA64.K It is a nice demo, pet project, and I am sure some research centre will get H some hefty subsidy to install such a beast for marketing purposes. It isH pretty impressive to advertise some system with a gazillion CPUs in it. O Windows won because it had a lot of software. Software on IA64 isn't plentiful.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:18:20 -0800 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows* Message-ID: <cmrc6s$hv$1@naig.caltech.edu>   Keith Parris wrote:    > I > Right now, "The HPC space is currently dominated by the Unix and Linux  D > operating systems running on 64-bit systems, including Itanium 2. 1 > Microsoft is looking to break into the market."   C There must be some business somewhere which has an application that G could benefit from running under Windows on N machines.  Not that I can # think of one but it seems possible.   , On the other hand, it's very hard to imagine8 this product getting into the research centers currentlyG running most of the big Unix and linux clusters.  These sites generally C have either home grown software, which is a LOT easier to home grow D under linux/unix than windows, or they're using somebody else's homeF grown software.  Often still written in Fortran (not a bad thing!) and6 often 10-15 years old.  There isn't that much parallel= commercial research software around unless you start counting F things like the commercial version of Grid Engine.  It's not like the ; DOE can drop into CompUSA and buy off the shelf software to 4 simulate warhead explosions.  (Games doesn't count.)  = Some of the sites with more money may be running a commercial 8 parallel linux like Scyld, but I'd wager there are a lot: more sites running free versions.  Relatively few of these* sites seem to be running a commercial unix- like AIX or Tru64 (under whatever name HP now E uses)  When you're dealing with N nodes, and N is large, the cost per  cluster adds up in a hurry.   @ Which is all a long winded way of saying I really don't see how E Microsoft can make any money on this product, whether it ever runs on ? Itaniums or not.  Perhaps they plan on giving it away to try to > cut off a fairly hefty source of funding for linux developers?   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:08:07 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows, Message-ID: <41914DD7.8040409@tsoft-inc.com>   norm.raphael@metso.com wrote:    >  >  > 4 > ..with allys like this, Carly needs no enemies.... >  >   D Need has nothing to do with it.  She has enemies, and they are many.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:21:04 -0500 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows, Message-ID: <419150E0.8010800@tsoft-inc.com>   Keith Parris wrote:     9 > Intel is telling everyone who will listen that by 2007: > > 1) The price of Xeon and Itanium chips will be the same, and" > 2) Itanium will be twice as fast     WOLF!   N Intel has told everyone many things since the inception of IA-64.  With a few I exceptions, they've been crying WOLF!  (ie; what they said didn't become  I reality).  According to the fable, do this enough times, and people stop   believing you.  L That said, I still have some hope that they turned the Alpha designers they N hired loose to do the best job they could, with no strings attached.  If such O was done, and using the Alpha IP already available, this group just might come  ? up with a competitive design.  I'd doubt it would include EPIC.   O Otherwise, the mass market is AMD's to gain and lose, and IBM will kick ass at   the top.   Dave     --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 16:36:25 -0600 4 From: kuhrt@nospammy.encompasserve.org (Marty Kuhrt)! Subject: Re: Need DLT label stock 3 Message-ID: <mcmldu342+v8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <qgcLW25a$g32@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes:@ > Where does one order the little paper DLT label inserts from?  > H > Once upon a time, we had some custom printed. But they were ordered byI > someone no longer here, from a long gone vendor. If I can get something N > custom or semi-custom that would be great, but I'd settle for something thatG > has spaces that I could write in the system name and date. Perhaps in C > different colors, or with some way to differentiate between daily K > incremental and weekly image. Or maybe blank stock that I can run through I > either a laser or inkjet printer. As long as it's pre-perforated in the  > right size, about 20x56mm.  B We got some nifty blank light cardboard pre-perforated label stockE from www.netclabels.com.  The part number on the DLT/TK50 label stock F is 749303-70001.  I can print a sheet at a time and tear off the one IB need when I need it.  I used a PS file I found on c.o.v. (IIRC) toB create barcode and text labels for these sheets.  Sometimes I just: scribble on a blank one if I don't need to have a barcode.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 16:20:15 -0800 ' From: timasmith@hotmail.com (Tim Smith) . Subject: Re: Sample C program to read Monitor?= Message-ID: <a7234bb1.0411091620.733bde7d@posting.google.com>   E Indeed I do, and I did find such a program, however it seemed to have C some issues with the csv generation, I believe the problem was with D disk i/o and may have been caused by it being a cluster and remotely mounted disks.  C I was playing with C and thought it might be fun to try to parse it C with a program.  But I guess using perl on the text output would be 	 faster...d       lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) wrote in message news:<lnNjd.2507$DT6.2195@news.cpqcorp.net>...D > If you mean the MONITOR binary data file, the format is documented > in the manual. > E > I put a program that reads such a file and converts the data outputgE > onto one of the DECUS SIG collections years ago, which should stillhH > be "out there".  I think a newer example may be on one of the FreewareD > collections.  You could try a web search for "MONITOR_TO_CSV.MAR". >  snip   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:17:29 -0600a6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>. Subject: Re: Sample C program to read Monitor?D Message-ID: <craigberry-32F856.22172809112004@news.isp.giganews.com>  = In article <a7234bb1.0411091620.733bde7d@posting.google.com>,i)  timasmith@hotmail.com (Tim Smith) wrote:o  E > I was playing with C and thought it might be fun to try to parse it E > with a program.  But I guess using perl on the text output would beo > faster...M  B Well, heck, if you're going to do that, just use the VMS::Monitor  extension directly in Perl:   0 http://search.cpan.org/~dsugal/VMS-Monitor-0_06/  A It uses the exe$getspi interface -- I haven't tried it since the  H documented equivalent (sys$getrmi) became available, so I don't know if C it still works.  Probably will in 7.x but might not in 8.x since I rE think MONITOR's been rewritten in that timeframe and they might well -+ have ripped out the undocumented interface.-  B You might also take a look at the HP-supplied T4 utility, which I G believe has a boatload of DCL that rummages around in MONITOR's output E and produces CSV files from it:o  8 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/OpenVMS/products/t4/index.html   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 11:15:02 -0800g0 From: dave.baxter@bannerhealth.com (Dave Baxter)" Subject: Upgrading HSG80 Firmware.< Message-ID: <a3c44af1.0411091115.f816c77@posting.google.com>  	 Hey Guys, C 	I am upgrading my HSG80 disk controller firmware (flashcards) fromCD 8.6f to 8.7f.   I haven't done this in a while so can anyone refresh
 my memory.  " As I recall, for a redundent pair,  # Step 1.	Hold in both RESET buttons.a Step 2.  Eject old Flash Cards.d  Step 3.  Insert new Flash Cards. Step 4.  release RESET buttons.B   Does that cover the process??t   thanks U   Dave.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:00:25 -0800d From: Z <z@no.spam>b% Subject: Usage exceeds license limits 0 Message-ID: <10p2tgj66clb1ea@corp.supernews.com>  A How can I tell my license limit for concurrent interactive users?e    This is Alpha and Open VMS 7.1-2   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 21:36:07 -0500 * From: Joel Loveless <joell@mindspring.com>) Subject: Re: Usage exceeds license limits08 Message-ID: <lgv2p0p8rs6grsft4i44opdia3b00mj9d3@4ax.com>   The command you need is:   $ SHOW LICENSE/CHARGEb  E to display the required units for each level of license requirement.      8 On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:00:25 -0800, Z <z@no.spam> wrote:  B >How can I tell my license limit for concurrent interactive users? >t! >This is Alpha and Open VMS 7.1-2d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:05:14 -0800s From: Z <z@no.spam>h) Subject: Re: Usage exceeds license limitsi0 Message-ID: <10p31a370787ed6@corp.supernews.com>   Joel Loveless wrote: > The command you need iso > $ SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE G > to display the required units for each level of license requirement.    , How do I know what level is how many users ?  $ How many users is this, for example:   $ show license/chargeN* VMS/LMF Charge Information for node MYNODEA This is a Digital Personal WorkStation , hardware model type 1556 G Type: A, Units Required: 12     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited   or Base)4 Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server)9 Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User)u5 Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation)rD Type: E, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)6 Type: F, * Not Permitted *      (VAX Layered Products)* Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved)8 Type: H, Units Required: 1050   (Alpha Layered Products)2 Type: I, Units Required: 1050   (Layered Products) $i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 03:58:17 +0000n7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>d) Subject: Re: Usage exceeds license limits ( Message-ID: <419191D9.50203@bigpond.com>   Z mentioned in passing:t > Joel Loveless wrote: >  >> The command you need is >> $ SHOW LICENSE/CHARGEH >> to display the required units for each level of license requirement.  >  > . > How do I know what level is how many users ? > & > How many users is this, for example: >  > $ show license/charge , > VMS/LMF Charge Information for node MYNODEC > This is a Digital Personal WorkStation , hardware model type 1556rI > Type: A, Units Required: 12     (VAX/VMS Capacity or OpenVMS Unlimited e
 > or Base)6 > Type: B, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS F&A Server); > Type: C, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Concurrent User)s7 > Type: D, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS Workstation)dF > Type: E, * Not Permitted *      (VAX/VMS System Integrated Products)8 > Type: F, * Not Permitted *      (VAX Layered Products), > Type: G, * Not Permitted *      (Reserved): > Type: H, Units Required: 1050   (Alpha Layered Products)4 > Type: I, Units Required: 1050   (Layered Products) > $k >    Possibly what you want iso  + $ show license openvms-alpha-adl/usage/fulla   Regards, Dave.  -- :I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.comBI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/MI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmaI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon8   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 12:37:40 -0600n- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)s( Subject: Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions3 Message-ID: <8NPK2DI5T9uu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   U In article <00A3A9B0.74286A07@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:hs > In article <3ZJFz45fWwzk@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:ce >>In article <418FA0E9.2A3DF334@aaa.com>, Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> writes:  >>> JF Mezei wrote:  >>>> h6 >>>> the VMS FAQ web page offers a variety of formats. >>>> iQ >>>> For me, being on VAX, bookreader is far more useful and far faster to accessoX >>>> than other formats, and it would be nice if that file format could be made to work. >>> C >>> How many *paying* customers are currently using a *VAX* to read E >>> online OpenVMS docs ? My guess is that 99% are using PDF on a PC.  >> >>   Not in this lifetime. > J > I'd like to see the BookReader format myself.  However, when it comes toK > reading PDF, I do not and will not use a PeeCee.  I read PDF files on VMSSI > or on my Apple Powerbook G4 17" laptop.  I prefer them on VMS but everyQI > once in a while there's something in the PDF that causes it to make thee > PDF readers crash. > J > I really wish HP and VMS engineering would stop insulting us with all of > this "use a PeeCee" crap.  h  G I don't think the comment "My guess is that 99% are using PDF on a PC."f above came from HP.p   ------------------------------  * Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:58:16 +0000 (UTC)P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)( Subject: Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions$ Message-ID: <cmr408$rof$1@online.de>  C In article <1100009229.755969.239610@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, # jordan.henderson@gmail.com writes: e  @ > I don't understand this desire to have everything esthetically) > pleasing.  Focus on content, not style.e  H I couldn't agree more.  However, some folks have complained about things: such as fixed-width formatting in HTML, which violates theA content-over-style concept which HTML is supposed to be.  For me,BB BOOKREADER is not so much a style preference (though I do like theF style) but rather I like the extremely useful "SEARCH BOOKS" feature, ? and haven't been able to find an equivalent with other formats..     --    = So much style without substance, so much stuff without style.   H                                                            ---Neil Peart   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 00:20:02 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>o( Subject: Re: VMS FAQ website suggestions' Message-ID: <419150A1.86920281@aaa.com>r   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > L > > I really wish HP and VMS engineering would stop insulting us with all of > > this "use a PeeCee" crap.u > I > I don't think the comment "My guess is that 99% are using PDF on a PC."v > above came from HP.n  = Right, but I read that as some general rambling, not directly,+ targeting my statement (that you quoted)...i  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 10:46:33 -08002& From: RJDurkee@yahoo.com (Rich Durkee) Subject: Who created a filea= Message-ID: <14deb915.0411091046.4442f79d@posting.google.com>g  E I guess I must be the only one that doesn't know how to determine thelF user id that created a file, because I don't see that question posted.F Doing a dir/full show the Owner:, but that doesn't tell me who createdF it. I am looking for a specific user id. I didn't see it when I dumped) the header either.  So what's the answer?  Thanks Rich   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 19:33:43 GMTA# From: hoff@hp.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)i Subject: Re: Who created a filef0 Message-ID: <rY8kd.2630$dy.660@news.cpqcorp.net>  f In article <14deb915.0411091046.4442f79d@posting.google.com>, RJDurkee@yahoo.com (Rich Durkee) writes:F :I guess I must be the only one that doesn't know how to determine theG :user id that created a file, because I don't see that question posted. G :Doing a dir/full show the Owner:, but that doesn't tell me who createdvG :it. I am looking for a specific user id. I didn't see it when I dumpedl* :the header either.  So what's the answer?  D   By default, the creator UIC is the owner UIC unless the creator isC   running with a heavy privilege (particularly SYSPRV) enabled.  In D   the latter case, the owner UIC is normally set to the owner of theC   parent directory, and not to the creator UIC.  Things become more,A   interesting because the ownership can be changed by a user withc0   the appropriate access to the object, as well.  ?   There is no external way to determine the creator UIC for anyoA   particular object, short of enabling and using OpenVMS securityE>   audits to track object (file, global section, etc) creation.B   From the security logs, object creation can be directly tracked.  E   What is the real problem you are working on, here?  What problem(s) -   do you seek to solve with this information?     N  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------K     For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.hp.com/go/openvms/faqoN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------E         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com$   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:44:52 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: Who created a file-1 Message-ID: <04110913445233@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>m  G > I guess I must be the only one that doesn't know how to determine the-H > user id that created a file, because I don't see that question posted.H > Doing a dir/full show the Owner:, but that doesn't tell me who createdH > it. I am looking for a specific user id. I didn't see it when I dumped+ > the header either.  So what's the answer?  > Thanks > Rich   $ DIRECTORY /SECURITYm       John "REBOOT" Brandonn VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 13:59:27 -0600m- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)o Subject: Re: Who created a fileg3 Message-ID: <vJErEvYzF035@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <14deb915.0411091046.4442f79d@posting.google.com>, RJDurkee@yahoo.com (Rich Durkee) writes:G > I guess I must be the only one that doesn't know how to determine theoH > user id that created a file, because I don't see that question posted.H > Doing a dir/full show the Owner:, but that doesn't tell me who createdH > it. I am looking for a specific user id. I didn't see it when I dumped+ > the header either.  So what's the answer?i  B User Id is not a VMS concept.  There is Username and there is UIC.  B If you care what happened in time, the ownership of the file rightC now is insufficient, since the ownership may have change 3000 timesl since the file was created.p  A The only way to track who creates files is to enable auditing for-? file creation before the event.  Try HELP SET AUDIT/ENABLE.  Inm? general auditing data is kept separately and only that which iseB needed for ongoing operational reasons is kept in the file header.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Nov 2004 15:29:19 -06004; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i Subject: Re: Who created a file 3 Message-ID: <c+QnRArrSrQ$@eisner.encompasserve.org>f  f In article <14deb915.0411091046.4442f79d@posting.google.com>, RJDurkee@yahoo.com (Rich Durkee) writes:G > I guess I must be the only one that doesn't know how to determine thetH > user id that created a file, because I don't see that question posted.H > Doing a dir/full show the Owner:, but that doesn't tell me who createdH > it. I am looking for a specific user id. I didn't see it when I dumped+ > the header either.  So what's the answer?   A    Prior to VMS 3.0 the file owner was the creator.  This createdi@    problems when privileged users created files in other user's B    directories so the behaviour was changed.  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