1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 14 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 632       Contents:+ Re: ANN: PWAIT$SDA freeware from Ian Miller " Re: Cross-platform Backup Solution8 Re: Get RMS_DEFAULT /EXTEND_QUANTITY value in a program?8 Re: Get RMS_DEFAULT /EXTEND_QUANTITY value in a program?. ISO 9660 (Was: Need help with a PeeCee again.)2 Re: ISO 9660 (Was: Need help with a PeeCee again.)9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows " Re: Need help with a PeeCee again." Re: Need help with a PeeCee again. Re: Problem to Partition a disk % Re: Sample C program to read Monitor?  Re: VMS Advertisement  Re: VMS Advertisement  Re: VMS Advertisement   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:30:54 +0000  From: Ian <noone@noware.xxx>4 Subject: Re: ANN: PWAIT$SDA freeware from Ian Miller6 Message-ID: <41966f37_1@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com>  G V0.9 is available and works to a certain extent on I64 VMS. I would be  E interested in any feedback - send it to the email address in the kit.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:12:04 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: Cross-platform Backup Solution + Message-ID: <4196B0E4.F1A59619@comcast.net>    "Yong Boon, Lim" wrote:  > I > Does anyone of you know any cross-platform backup product which support  > Windows and OpenVMS?  7 What EXACTLY do you mean when you say "cross platform"?   G If you mean, "does <insert name of network backup software for non-VMS> < support VMS /IMAGE backups", the answer will always be "no".   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 14:35:10 -0600 6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>A Subject: Re: Get RMS_DEFAULT /EXTEND_QUANTITY value in a program? D Message-ID: <craigberry-1E6F85.14351013112004@news.isp.giganews.com>  A In article <04111222404717@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org wrote:   G >    If I could sense the /EXTEND value from inside the program, then I > > could set fab$w_deq to a value limited by the /EXTEND value.  E Try the JPI$_RMS_EXTEND_SIZE item code with sys$getjpi or lib$getjpi.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 17:06:32 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.orgA Subject: Re: Get RMS_DEFAULT /EXTEND_QUANTITY value in a program? ) Message-ID: <04111317063196@antinode.org>   6 From: "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler>  I > >    If I could sense the /EXTEND value from inside the program, then I @ > > could set fab$w_deq to a value limited by the /EXTEND value. > G > Try the JPI$_RMS_EXTEND_SIZE item code with sys$getjpi or lib$getjpi.   (    That looks like what I seek.  Thanks.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 20:23:26 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> 7 Subject: ISO 9660 (Was: Need help with a PeeCee again.) 1 Message-ID: <QZydneoibfYSLgvcRVn-sQ@adelphia.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:  > J > That stirs a question in my mind. Perhaps someone monitoring this threadJ > can answer: can the "boot" portion of a bootable ISO-9660 complian imageB > be more than the size of a "1.44MB" (1.38MB, actually) diskette?  E Yes, as will be present on the distribution DVD for OpenVMS I64 8.2.  3 That will be dual format ISO-9660 / Files-11 media.   C http://www.google.com will show instructions for building bootable  = ISO-9660 disks with a variety of products, including MKISOFS.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:54:39 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>; Subject: Re: ISO 9660 (Was: Need help with a PeeCee again.) + Message-ID: <4196BADF.CAC3551E@comcast.net>    "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  >  > David J Dachtera wrote:  > > L > > That stirs a question in my mind. Perhaps someone monitoring this threadL > > can answer: can the "boot" portion of a bootable ISO-9660 complian imageD > > be more than the size of a "1.44MB" (1.38MB, actually) diskette?  A I was actually referring to the "bootbin" portion, not the  image  itself.   F > Yes, as will be present on the distribution DVD for OpenVMS I64 8.2.5 > That will be dual format ISO-9660 / Files-11 media.   E No doubt due to IA64's need to boot from a more "familiar" "partition H type". Up to Itanic, system viewed the boot medium as a "raw" volume andG did require any proprietary (now default/de-facto standard) provisions.   D > http://www.google.com will show instructions for building bootable? > ISO-9660 disks with a variety of products, including MKISOFS.   5 See also http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html#dualfmt   E That still has mention of "co-mapping" (Files-11 and ISO-9660 mapping H structures pointing to the same extents within the user data area of theG disc/image), although Larry's LJK-CDROM all but eliminates the need for  that.   G At some point, I'll probably add a section for writing bootable OpenVMS ' DVD-Rs for Itanic and its successor(s).    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:01:31 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows+ Message-ID: <4196AE6B.CDF1A342@comcast.net>    Dean Woodward wrote: > l > Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<u47kd.2612$bk.2328@news.cpqcorp.net>... > L > > that Microsoft first supported Itanium on Windows Server and SQL Server,L > > and that didn't doom 64-bit extensions to x86, for which there was stillF > > not an offical 64-bit Windows (XP, much less Server) or SQL Server > > release, last I heard. > F > 64-bit WinXP is currently in beta; MSDN subscribers can download it.  3 Which CPU arch. does it support (x86-64 or Itanic)?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:53:37 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: Need help with a PeeCee again. * Message-ID: <4196AC91.8BED547@comcast.net>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > b > In article <41941CD3.23380D08@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Chris Scheers wrote: > L > >> If I understand this correctly, the ISO9660 standard defines 8.3 names,; > >> and then an extension is used to support longer names.  > >>, > >> What extension(s) are supported by VMS? > > J > > I think it may depend which VERSION of ISO-9660. I believe you need at; > > least V3 to support lowercase or mixed case file names.  > B > V3 is not a version.  When VMS support for ISO-9660 was written,G > it was based on the first edition of the standard, dated 15-Apr-1988.  > F > The next edition to the best of my knowledge is the one that allowedG > the option of supporting no-file-extension names, which was important ( > for Japanese language directory names. > H > To the best of my knowledge, no version of ISO-9660 has ever permittedI > the "Joliet" extensions specified by Microsoft.  While well-intentioned G > (from a Microsoft perspective) double-byte characters in the metadata " > are _not_ permitted by ISO-9660.  C Microsoft has made their mark "correcting" such things. ISO-9660 is ) hardly alone in that respect, to be sure.   C It's not big secret that Micro$lop is a DE-FACTO standard (commonly C deployed), not an "industry" standard (negotiated multi-laterally).   G > The Rock Ridge (and subsequent IEEE) extensions _are_ fully compliant < > with ISO 9660 in the way they provide additional metadata.  H That stirs a question in my mind. Perhaps someone monitoring this threadH can answer: can the "boot" portion of a bootable ISO-9660 complian image@ be more than the size of a "1.44MB" (1.38MB, actually) diskette?  H > The VMS extension to support full RMS file charactersitics _are_ fullyF > compliant with ISO 9660 in the way they provide additional metadata. > = > ISO 9660 section 10 specifies three "Levels of interchange"  >  >         Level 1 ( >                 No multi-section filesE >                 8.3 character filenames (uppercase alphabetic only) I >                 8 character directory names (uppercase alphabetic only)  >  >         Level 2 ( >                 No multi-section files >  >         Level 3 D >                 No restrictions on the full ISO 9660 specification > D > Level 3 is required to have files that exceed the size of a singleE > volume.  I know of no operating system other than VMS that supports  > Interchange Level 3.  > My "Gear for Windows" program provides for ISO-9660 Level 3 (IF mistakenly called it "V3" earlier). Too bad the version I have doesn't; do bootable images / discs. I use Easy CD Creator for that.   D > For that matter, I know of no operating system other than VMS thatC > supports section 6.10 Record Structures.  Section 13.2 appears to G > contain weasel words to allow receiving systems to omit that support.   E I've not studied the entire specification. I would expect it to allow = for compatibility with systems that do not support the entire  specification.  E > I know of no operating system other than VMS that supports Extended  > Attribute Records.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    Coming soon:! Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:56:46 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>+ Subject: Re: Need help with a PeeCee again. + Message-ID: <4196AD4E.745F02E2@comcast.net>   
 leslie wrote:  > : > Michael Moroney (moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com) wrote: > : J > : Unpatched M$ systems often get infected with a virus within minutes ofI > : being connected to the internet.  (that includes brand-new ones fresh I > : from the store whose windows version is usually many patches too old)  > :  > - > Average time between attacks: 16 minutes...  > , >   http://isc.sans.org//survivalhistory.phpC >   SANS - Internet Storm Center - Cooperative Cyber Threat Monitor 8 >   And Alert System - Current Infosec News and Analysis > 7 >   http://www.sans.org/rr/whitepapers/windows/1298.php ' >   Windows XP: Surviving the First Day   % Note: This URL opens a .PDF document.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:10:03 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: Problem to Partition a disk+ Message-ID: <4196B06B.890CEBC2@comcast.net>    Dirk Munk wrote: > [snip] > init <dev> -6 > /cluster_size=256/headers=256/homeblocks=contiguous-  B Dirk brings up a good point here: use /HEADERS to "pre-extend" theG INDEXF.SYS on the "host volume". ALong with the other parameters, thins G will ensure the mazimum contiguous freespace on the initialized volume.   + > /index=beginning/maximum_files=256/system   = Get DFU and use it tp explore the results of your experiments A INITIALIZE-ing the "host" volume. DFU will tell you how many free F extents and such. Even if the displayed results are not what you want,G perhaps it will give info. that can be used to exploit what you can get  to its best advantage.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 22:00:24 -0000 6 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk>. Subject: Re: Sample C program to read Monitor?6 Message-ID: <419683f9$0$27540$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  A "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@mac.com.spamfooler> wrote in message > news:craigberry-32F856.22172809112004@news.isp.giganews.com...B > It uses the exe$getspi interface -- I haven't tried it since theI > documented equivalent (sys$getrmi) became available, so I don't know if D > it still works.  Probably will in 7.x but might not in 8.x since IF > think MONITOR's been rewritten in that timeframe and they might well- > have ripped out the undocumented interface.  >   E 8.2 EFT Alpha ships with MONITOR_TV.EXE too, this is the old version.    Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:50:08 +0100 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>  Subject: Re: VMS Advertisement' Message-ID: <41965760.622E94B8@aaa.com>    "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > I > On the back cover of last weeks "Information Week" there is a full page J > (cover) ad for HP Infinity Servers that actually lists OpenVMS as an OS. >  > Mike.   G The major Swedish IT newspaper (Computer Sweden, run by IDG) had a full F page article this Friday about VMS. Quite positive tone, which clearly> pointed out the main differences between VMS and "the others".  ? Nice reading and better then a "run VMS too" note at the bottom  of an ad...   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:21:18 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: VMS Advertisement+ Message-ID: <4196B30E.2E542519@comcast.net>    John Vottero wrote:  > 0 > "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message( > news:KuSdncPEH_SYogjcRVn-sQ@igs.net... > > Keith Parris wrote:  > >> Michael D. Ober wrote: H > >>> On the back cover of last weeks "Information Week" there is a fullI > >>> page (cover) ad for HP Infinity Servers that actually lists OpenVMS  > >>> as an OS.  > >>I > >> This is one of the nice side-effects of the OpenVMS port to Itanium.  > >>K > >> And it's not only external advertisements, it's also internal HP sales K > >> training, product information dissemination, and other internal venues , > >> where OpenVMS now always gets exposure. > >  > > J > > The only exposure VMS gets from HP is is being left out in the cold to > > die. > > E > > Show me a recent ad - no, I'll be generous and say show me ANY ad C > > exclusively about VMS since HP closed the merger in April 2002.  > >  > > I'm waiting. > < > Why would HP run an ad that was exclusively about OpenVMS?  F Marketing 101 students, feel free to chime in here. (Actually, I thinkH even Marketing 001 students know that after the first evening of class.)  J > Has it occurred to you that you know about as much about advertising andK > marketing as HP's marketing people know about memory management and ASTs?   G It has occured to most of us here that HP's marketing people know about A as much about advertising and marketing as they know about memory  management and ASTs.  G In fairness, though, you're quite right: were HP to turn the marketeers F loose, I'm sure they could plaster walls, billboards, full-pages, etc.G with highly effective VMS ads from one end of the country to the other.   E What they CAN do is, I'm sure, a *VERY* *LARGE* superset of what they  are allowed to do.  D Then again, I've learned a very valuable lesson in this group: don'tH under-estimate the breadth of knowledge/experience any one individual in this group brings to the table.   ( Remember what happens when you ass-u-me.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    Coming soon:! Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 19:23:12 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: VMS Advertisement+ Message-ID: <4196B37F.48197C30@comcast.net>    Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >  > "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > > K > > On the back cover of last weeks "Information Week" there is a full page L > > (cover) ad for HP Infinity Servers that actually lists OpenVMS as an OS. > > 	 > > Mike.  > I > The major Swedish IT newspaper (Computer Sweden, run by IDG) had a full H > page article this Friday about VMS. Quite positive tone, which clearly@ > pointed out the main differences between VMS and "the others".  ; Any chance you cna post a URL? ...or was it hard-copy only?   A > Nice reading and better then a "run VMS too" note at the bottom 
 > of an ad...   - Seconded, and I've not even read the article.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.632 ************************