1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 15 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 634       Contents:$ Re: 3of9 Barcoding libraries for VMS" Re: Cross-platform Backup Solution: Re: Extending DCL [was: Re: DCL suggestion for f$verify()]- Re: how to implement an append only log file?  Re: ISO 96604 Re: Looking for feedback on using EDM to back up VMS4 Re: Looking for feedback on using EDM to back up VMS9 Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows  OT: Dell's Rollins on HP; TCPIP V5.3 ECO 4 bounces mail during user's VMS MAIL PURGE?  Re: Terminal Server Manager ECO  Re: VMS Advertisement  Re: VMS Advertisement  Re: VMS Advertisement  Re: VMS Advertisement   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2004 16:02:39 -0800* From: info@montereysoft.com (MontereySoft)- Subject: Re: 3of9 Barcoding libraries for VMS = Message-ID: <468e9718.0411141602.4208d890@posting.google.com>   Z "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<4188070F.7020708@MMaz.com>...J > Does anyone know of any open-source libraries that would run on VMS for F > producing 3of9 barcoding ?  I need to modify some of our systems to H > produce embedded barcoding on our documents and I suspect that if any K > commercial products existed in the past, they are probably gone or owned  . > my CA and CA would want 6 figures for it.... >  > Barry     2 Here you go http://www.morovia.com/font/code39.asp   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:01:26 -0500 ) From: Andrew Robert <arobert@townisp.com> + Subject: Re: Cross-platform Backup Solution 0 Message-ID: <10pfou7577i2k7f@corp.supernews.com>   Alex Daniels wrote: 8 >>"Yong Boon, Lim" <y0ngb00n@yahoo.com> wrote in message > ( > news:<cn1ept$fgn$1@news4.jaring.my>... > J >>>Does anyone of you know any cross-platform backup product which support >>>Windows and OpenVMS?  >>> 
 >>>Thank you!  >>>  >>>Yong Boon >> >  > ISE Enterprise BACKUP  > ; > http://www.i-s-e.com/Products/EnterpriseBACKUP/index.html  >  > Alex >  >   Veritas Netbackup does well too.  ! They also support Unix and Linux.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:41:22 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> C Subject: Re: Extending DCL [was: Re: DCL suggestion for f$verify()] = Message-ID: <6PTld.24819$5b1.1649@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>   7 "Anthony Borla" <ajborla@bigpond.com> wrote in message  6 news:NFJld.36254$K7.7440@news-server.bigpond.net.au...   [Many good ideas snipped]   H > Obviously this is just a wish-list, one presented entirely from a userH > perspective. However, it is one that seeks to see DCL made into a moreL > useful tool, one perhaps better reflecting the needs of today. A deficientL > command language will only see users resort more to alternatives like Perl= > and Python, even perhaps, to alternative operating systems.  >   H My wish is that HP enhances DCL by starting over, with a clean sheet of C paper.  Provide backwards compatibility with the /CLI qualifier in  > AUTHORIZE.  DCL was fantastic 25 years ago but, it's outdated.   You can go to:  8 http://msdn.microsoft.com/theshow/episode043/default.asp  M and watch a video that demos MSH, the command line environment for Longhorn.  J Just watch part 5, "Enter the Programmer".  They even mention OpenVMS and  DCL at least twice.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:44:57 -0500 " From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>6 Subject: Re: how to implement an append only log file?& Message-ID: <4197FC09.2030005@gce.com>  G If you're writing to a WORM, it can be pretty hard to see how you could H alter a log file, system manager or not. You could turn off logging, butI making a traceless change would be very hard. My old software WORM is not F a whole lot easier, with the same qualifications that logging could beF turned off, and the additional one that the systems person who has theG tools to maintain storage can change it. In the real world, though, the I threat is sometimes not "the one and only" system manager, but one of the F N other people who have gotten privs for one or another reason and may@ abuse them, but who may not have keys to the master tool locker.   Bob Koehler wrote:_ > In article <cmtsnd$q5f$1@reader1.panix.com>, Dale Dellutri <ddelQQQlutr@panQQQix.com> writes:  > G >>If you mean patching the software in memory while it's running, then  H >>at some point you'll have to make a system call to change kernel code E >>memory, and this system call would produce an audit event _before_   >>making the change. >  > F >    I'm sure I'm not the only one who has patched the kernel from theH >    console while the CPU was halted.  How are you going to audit that?G >    I just had to break up my patch entry into small enought pieces to 0 >    keep various sanity timers from triggering. > G >    And there are more ideas I've seen floating around.  In the end at 2 >    some place you have to have people you trust. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:29:52 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network>  Subject: Re: ISO 9660 1 Message-ID: <_IydnVw2d78vvwXcRVn-qw@adelphia.com>    David J Dachtera wrote:  > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  >  >>David J Dachtera wrote:  >>K >>>That stirs a question in my mind. Perhaps someone monitoring this thread K >>>can answer: can the "boot" portion of a bootable ISO-9660 complian image C >>>be more than the size of a "1.44MB" (1.38MB, actually) diskette?  > C > I was actually referring to the "bootbin" portion, not the  image 	 > itself.   G The boot container file is the largest part of the ISO-9660 portion of  = the OpenVMS I64 DVD.  It is considerably larger than 1.44 MB.   F >>Yes, as will be present on the distribution DVD for OpenVMS I64 8.2.5 >>That will be dual format ISO-9660 / Files-11 media.  > G > No doubt due to IA64's need to boot from a more "familiar" "partition J > type". Up to Itanic, system viewed the boot medium as a "raw" volume andI > did require any proprietary (now default/de-facto standard) provisions.   C The Itanium consoles that I have seen still will boot from a "raw"  H volume.  However, for DVD/CD, the only documented supported boot method  is the El-Torito method.  D >>http://www.google.com will show instructions for building bootable? >>ISO-9660 disks with a variety of products, including MKISOFS.  >   7 > See also http://www.djesys.com/vms/cdrom.html#dualfmt   I Please make note of the issue in the OpenVMS 7.3-2 release notes for the  < LD utility.  This has been fixed in the OpenVMS 8.2 release.  E Prior to OpenVMS 8.2, caching must be disabled on the container file  / used by logical disk right after it is created.   D Otherwise some data may be lost, and this is very noticable on dual  format CD-ROM/DVD-ROMs.   G > That still has mention of "co-mapping" (Files-11 and ISO-9660 mapping J > structures pointing to the same extents within the user data area of theI > disc/image), although Larry's LJK-CDROM all but eliminates the need for  > that.   E It has not been tested to my knowlege for building an El-Torito boot  , volume that would be usuable on OpenVMS I64.  I > At some point, I'll probably add a section for writing bootable OpenVMS ) > DVD-Rs for Itanic and its successor(s).   & If you want to experiment on your own:  C If you start out with a bootable distribution OpenVMS DVD, the ISO  C portion can be copied out of that.  You need to make sure that the  % badblocks.sys file is the right size.   D This eliminates the need to have a program that makes the El-Torito  ISO-9660 portion.    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:03:48 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>= Subject: Re: Looking for feedback on using EDM to back up VMS + Message-ID: <4197F263.78BC072D@comcast.net>   
 Lee wrote: > 5 > For many years, I've been using VMS BACKUP to write 5 > files and disks to 4mm, 8mm, and DLT.  The proposal 6 > has been made to set up a VMS client and use EDM and6 > Legato to back up the SAN disk farm of approximately+ > 80 shadow disks containing .5 TB of data. * > Is anyone doing their backups using EDM?. > How does throughput compare with VMS BACKUP?  H A point to consider here is that every layer you add between VMS and the= target tape reduces the ability to do a "bare metal" restore.   H Part of the reason these products are slow to take off is that VMS sitesA typiclaly need to be able to get up and running again faster than H possible in a DR situation. Adding the necessity to install an o.s. fromE scratch, then build that up into a restore server before you can even D begin to restore your VMS system is typically the "poison pill" that kills the idea.   5 > Is EDM as flexible as BACKUP in terms of writing to  > tape and restoring from tape?   > Depends. Only VMS BACKUP is typiclaly used to read savesets onF disk/tape. AFAIK, the asme holds true for other solutions: proprietaryA on-medium format makes their restore sets incompatible with other 	 products.    I could be wrong, also...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:26:48 GMT " From: Lee <lytmah@telusplanet.net>= Subject: Re: Looking for feedback on using EDM to back up VMS , Message-ID: <ceWld.98411$VA5.53671@clgrps13>  9 DR capability won't be an issue.  The nodes are set up so : that if necessary, they'll be able to boot off a SAN disk.: We're speaking of a 5-node cluster so the loss of one node; for a day won't be an issue.  I see the EDM backup as being @ used more for recovery of files which some analyst inadvertently* deleted.  Or the rerun of a Payroll cycle.< As bitter as the medicine may taste, we may have to take it.     David J Dachtera wrote:  > Lee wrote: > 5 >>For many years, I've been using VMS BACKUP to write 5 >>files and disks to 4mm, 8mm, and DLT.  The proposal 6 >>has been made to set up a VMS client and use EDM and6 >>Legato to back up the SAN disk farm of approximately+ >>80 shadow disks containing .5 TB of data. * >>Is anyone doing their backups using EDM?. >>How does throughput compare with VMS BACKUP? >  > J > A point to consider here is that every layer you add between VMS and the? > target tape reduces the ability to do a "bare metal" restore.  > J > Part of the reason these products are slow to take off is that VMS sitesC > typiclaly need to be able to get up and running again faster than J > possible in a DR situation. Adding the necessity to install an o.s. fromG > scratch, then build that up into a restore server before you can even F > begin to restore your VMS system is typically the "poison pill" that > kills the idea.  >  > 5 >>Is EDM as flexible as BACKUP in terms of writing to  >>tape and restoring from tape?  >  > @ > Depends. Only VMS BACKUP is typiclaly used to read savesets onH > disk/tape. AFAIK, the asme holds true for other solutions: proprietaryC > on-medium format makes their restore sets incompatible with other  > products.  >  > I could be wrong, also...  >    --   Lee    lytmah@telusplanet.net   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 11:12:25 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>B Subject: Re: Microsoft to skip Itanium with supercomputing Windows2 Message-ID: <CeOdnU1qVM34MwrcRVn-3Q@mpowercom.net>  @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:4196AE6B.CDF1A342@comcast.net... G >> 64-bit WinXP is currently in beta; MSDN subscribers can download it.  > 5 > Which CPU arch. does it support (x86-64 or Itanic)?  > K It's for AMD64.  I would assume it would also work with the Intel clone of  M AMD64 but I haven't seen where anyone has tried it.  Are the Intel CPUs with   64 bit extensions available?     Jack Peacock     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 21:53:40 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: OT: Dell's Rollins on HP , Message-ID: <OcidnRUbd4_5KArcRVn-3A@igs.net>  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1208&e=3&u=/infoworld/20041# 112/tc_infoworld/50847&sid=96742471    ....  F InfoWorld: With the Compaq-HP merger in place for a while now, can youE assess what their newfound strengths and weaknesses are and what your # strengths and weaknesses are today?   G Rollins: Prior to the merger, they were very strong in the printing and J imaging arenas. And now as the dust has settled it is just about the same.  K Compaq historically had been strong in the server front, but they lost $400 G million or so in the enterprise business last quarter. It has failed to J achieve profitability in a sustained way. They make less than 1 percent onG their client business. So really the money is all made in that combined + entity where it was made before the merger.   J It does not appear to us that they have really enhanced their capability aK whole lot post-merger over what the two entities had separately pre-merger. K If you are going to use profitability as any sort of yardstick for how well I companies are doing, then the whole game has not changed a heck of a lot.    ......   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 22:13:57 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.orgD Subject: TCPIP V5.3 ECO 4 bounces mail during user's VMS MAIL PURGE?) Message-ID: <04111422135754@antinode.org>   H    I thought I saw this a long time ago, but figured I must be dreaming.F Sadly, I think I just caught it in the act again.  Recenty I read someC junk e-mail, sent out a couple of abuse complaints, and exited MAIL D (with AUTO_PURGE enabled).  Apparently, while MAIL was busy purging,G TCPIP tried to deliver a couple of automated responses, and failed, so:   P     #1          11-NOV-2004 07:48:33.54                                  NEWMAIL& From:   SMTP%"TCPIP$SMTP@antinode.org" To:     TCPIP$SMTP CC:  Subj:   Returned mail   + Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:48:29 -0600 (CST) ) Message-Id: <04111107482925@antinode.org>  From: TCPIP$SMTP@Antinode.org  To: TCPIP$SMTP Subject: Returned mail    ' ---- Transcript of session follows ----   D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   11-NOV-2004 07:48:28.85  %%%%%%%%%%%%* %MAIL-E-SENDERR, error sending to user SMSD -MAIL-E-OPENOUT, error opening ALP$DKA0:[SMS.MAIL]MAIL.MAI as output1 -RMS-E-FLK, file currently locked by another user   % ---- Recipients of this delivery ----    <sms@antinode.org> (bounced)    ---- Unsent message follows ---- [... mail for me ...]     /    So, does this work any better in TCPIP V5.4?    ALP $ tcpip sho ver   ?   Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 4 4   on a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.3-1  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:38:22 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> ( Subject: Re: Terminal Server Manager ECO9 Message-ID: <RuOld.6068$Ho4.200344@news20.bellglobal.com>   K Aside from some good info via www.deja.com , I've published a few notes at  D the link below so other poor devils won't need to repeat my efforts.  7 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/tsm_on_alpha.html   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2004 12:42:35 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) Subject: Re: VMS Advertisement3 Message-ID: <LmkE5BuBEucY@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <41970EF7.4010201@transgrid.com.au>, Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au> writes:K >>>Has it occurred to you that you know about as much about advertising and L >>>marketing as HP's marketing people know about memory management and ASTs? >>  J >> It has occured to most of us here that HP's marketing people know aboutD >> as much about advertising and marketing as they know about memory >> management and ASTs.  > I > I think this is incorrect.  HP do know about marketing per se.  We see  K > so many "Invent" ads.  What they do not know (or do not want to know) is    > how to market a particular OS.  H Yup. The "Invent" ad is hanging in the local DEC\\\COMPAQ\\\\\\HP officeJ where the "4 gas pumps" ad used to be. I wanted one of those 4 pump ads toJ replace the "Full Service" with "Self Service" first for Windoze, then for Tru64.    F That would be almost as good as my keychain that on one side has a NewJ Hampshire License plate with the old Digital logo and in big green lettersF "UNIX" and the motto "Live Free or Die". On the back side is a PeoplesH Republic of Kalifornia license plate with "Y W8 4 HP" and the motto "The: Migration State". At least that side is still accurate :-(  J >> In fairness, though, you're quite right: were HP to turn the marketeersI >> loose, I'm sure they could plaster walls, billboards, full-pages, etc. J >> with highly effective VMS ads from one end of the country to the other. >>  J > The marketers *have* been turned loose.  They are allowed to market any K > and everything apart from VMS.  They have turned out some good ads, just  ! > as long as they can ignore VMS.   I One of the other things marketeers learn the first day is that keeping an L EXISTING long term customer happy is worth 10 new customers. From the Palmer@ days of DEC, through Compaq and now HP, this has been forgotten.  K So far what I've seen is customers migrating from Alpha not to Itanium, but  to AIX.   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  I I support drug testing. I believe every public official should be given a I shot of sodium pentathol and ask "Which laws have you broken this week?".    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:55:44 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: VMS Advertisement, Message-ID: <4197D45F.7197B133@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote: g > http://computersweden.idg.se/ArticlePages/200411/11/20041111171434_CS221/20041111171434_CS221.dbp.asp  > Here's a translation  J > When HP bought Compaq, OpenVMS was indicated as a Product to be retired.  M Which would explain why HP went through great lengths to avoid mentioning VMS L during the 9 months of merger pregnancy before finally announcing on May 7thN 2002 that VMS would survive (but with Stallard's memo indicating HP wanted VMS* customers to eventually migrate to HP UX).  E Assuming the "product to be retired" bit reflects relaity, of course.    > InJ > Sweden alone, there are 400,000 systems based on OpenVMS.  Worldwide the% > number of users is over 10 million.   K Hopefully it is the translation that is a bit off and not the article. We'v M all seen the 400,000 number and that would be worldwide systems, and maybe 10  million users worldwide.  M > Many cutomers do not want to change technology.  As long as the sytem works K > there is no reason to change, despite promises from analysts and promises  > from the competition.   G Actually, this is not an image that VMS management should be fostering.   N They should be fostering an image that VMS is evolving and allows customers toN add new new modern applications that not only easily connect to existing ones,N but also don't require massive conversion projects that often fail before they are completed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 14:49:28 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: VMS Advertisement( Message-ID: <opshg8cqzvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 16:55:44 -0500, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote: h >> http://computersweden.idg.se/ArticlePages/200411/11/20041111171434_CS221/20041111171434_CS221.dbp.asp >> Here's a translation  > K >> When HP bought Compaq, OpenVMS was indicated as a Product to be retired.  > B > Which would explain why HP went through great lengths to avoid   > mentioning VMSL > during the 9 months of merger pregnancy before finally announcing on May   > 7th G > 2002 that VMS would survive (but with Stallard's memo indicating HP    > wanted VMS, > customers to eventually migrate to HP UX). > G > Assuming the "product to be retired" bit reflects relaity, of course.  >  >> In K >> Sweden alone, there are 400,000 systems based on OpenVMS.  Worldwide the & >> number of users is over 10 million. > J > Hopefully it is the translation that is a bit off and not the article.   > We'vH > all seen the 400,000 number and that would be worldwide systems, and  
 > maybe 10 > million users worldwide.H No.  I faithfully translated the article and made no editorial comments.H I thought the number sounded quite high.  Actually if there were one per. household, the number might be a bit higher:-) > J >> Many cutomers do not want to change technology.  As long as the sytem   >> worksE >> there is no reason to change, despite promises from analysts and    >> promises  >> from the competition. > I > Actually, this is not an image that VMS management should be fostering.  > E > They should be fostering an image that VMS is evolving and allows    > customers toL > add new new modern applications that not only easily connect to existing   > ones, F > but also don't require massive conversion projects that often fail  
 > before they  > are completed.       --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 01:19:54 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>  Subject: Re: VMS Advertisement> Message-ID: <_uTld.24810$5b1.24707@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>  @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:4196B37F.48197C30@comcast.net...  > Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:  >> >> "Michael D. Ober" wrote:  >> >L >> > On the back cover of last weeks "Information Week" there is a full pageJ >> > (cover) ad for HP Infinity Servers that actually lists OpenVMS as an  >> > OS. >> >
 >> > Mike. >>J >> The major Swedish IT newspaper (Computer Sweden, run by IDG) had a fullI >> page article this Friday about VMS. Quite positive tone, which clearly A >> pointed out the main differences between VMS and "the others".  > = > Any chance you cna post a URL? ...or was it hard-copy only?   F Since Computer Sweden is an IDG publication, the OpenVMS articles are J probably translations of the OpenVMS articles that were in Computerworld. 
 Those are at:   W http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/story/0,10801,97032,00.html?SKC=os-97032    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.634 ************************