1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 15 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 635       Contents:$ Re: 3of9 Barcoding libraries for VMS$ Re: 3of9 Barcoding libraries for VMS bbspot quiz ' Re: COBOL PAK for the Hobbyist License? ' Re: COBOL PAK for the Hobbyist License?  FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator" Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator" Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator" Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator" Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator" Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator" Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator" Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX EmulatorD Re: FBI turned AMERICA into a NATION of PROGRAMMED SLAVES and ROBOTSD Re: FBI turned AMERICA into a NATION of PROGRAMMED SLAVES and ROBOTS$ Re: hardware training - storageWorks- Re: how to implement an append only log file? " LBR$ routines corrupting libraries Mono/.Net on OpenVMS?  Re: Mono/.Net on OpenVMS?  Re: Mono/.Net on OpenVMS?  Re: Mono/.Net on OpenVMS?  Re: Mono/.Net on OpenVMS? 
 raid hardware ! RMS Files and directories Indexes % Re: RMS Files and directories Indexes % Re: RMS Files and directories Indexes % Re: RMS Files and directories Indexes % Re: RMS Files and directories Indexes  Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s" Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s" Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s" Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s" Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s" Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s" Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s" Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s" Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s" Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s* TCPIP SMTP failure for postmaster messages? Re: TCPIP V5.3 ECO 4 bounces mail during user's VMS MAIL PURGE? ? Re: TCPIP V5.3 ECO 4 bounces mail during user's VMS MAIL PURGE?  Value of VAX ft810  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:55:47 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG- Subject: Re: 3of9 Barcoding libraries for VMS 0 Message-ID: <00A3AE71.0A96095F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  j In article <468e9718.0411141602.4208d890@posting.google.com>, info@montereysoft.com (MontereySoft) writes:[ >"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<4188070F.7020708@MMaz.com>... K >> Does anyone know of any open-source libraries that would run on VMS for  G >> producing 3of9 barcoding ?  I need to modify some of our systems to  I >> produce embedded barcoding on our documents and I suspect that if any  L >> commercial products existed in the past, they are probably gone or owned / >> my CA and CA would want 6 figures for it....  >>   >> Barry >  > 3 >Here you go http://www.morovia.com/font/code39.asp   ) ...for Windows and Macintosh platforms...   G Barry specifically asked for:  run on VMS for producing 3of9 barcoding.    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:13:18 GMT F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman)- Subject: Re: 3of9 Barcoding libraries for VMS 1 Message-ID: <2l6md.2916$Qg.1288@news.cpqcorp.net>   S In article <00A3AE71.0A96095F@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >Path: news.cpqcorp.net!news.compaq.com!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.frii.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feed5.newsreader.com!newsreader.com!news3.optonline.net!news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net.POSTED!not-for-mail  >Newsgroups: comp.os.vms. >Subject: Re: 3of9 Barcoding libraries for VMSZ >References: <4188070F.7020708@MMaz.com> <468e9718.0411141602.4208d890@posting.google.com># >From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG ' >Reply-To:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG 1 >Message-ID: <00A3AE71.0A96095F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  >Organization: TMESIS Software
 >Lines: 25$ >Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:55:47 GMT! >NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.83.127.219  >X-Complaints-To: abuse@cv.netZ >X-Trace: news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net 1100523347 67.83.127.219 (Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:55:47 EST)1 >NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:55:47 EST * >Xref: news.cpqcorp.net comp.os.vms:186087 > k >In article <468e9718.0411141602.4208d890@posting.google.com>, info@montereysoft.com (MontereySoft) writes: \ >>"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message news:<4188070F.7020708@MMaz.com>...L >>> Does anyone know of any open-source libraries that would run on VMS for H >>> producing 3of9 barcoding ?  I need to modify some of our systems to J >>> produce embedded barcoding on our documents and I suspect that if any M >>> commercial products existed in the past, they are probably gone or owned  0 >>> my CA and CA would want 6 figures for it.... >>> 	 >>> Barry  >> >>4 >>Here you go http://www.morovia.com/font/code39.asp > * >...for Windows and Macintosh platforms... > H >Barry specifically asked for:  run on VMS for producing 3of9 barcoding.  ? While it isn't an application, and I'm not officially endorsing A any specific vendor, the fonts offered for sale at that site will B work with DECwindows applications.  Out of curiosity, I downloadedA their demo file and found that the windows format true type fonts F can be added to DECwindows and will display in some test applications.# Some other formats might also work.   G You should be able to print bar codes by just selecting the appropriate  font.    --  (  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have a 5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:50:56 -0000 6 From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNoSpamDaniels@themail.co.uk> Subject: bbspot quiz6 Message-ID: <4198de73$0$27543$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  < http://www.bbspot.com/Log/?module=Log&function=browse&id=371  & Someone help out here, I took the quizI http://www.bbspot.com/News/2003/01/os_quiz.php and it thinks I am windows 
 XP, scary.   Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 12:22:45 +0100( From: Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se>0 Subject: Re: COBOL PAK for the Hobbyist License?4 Message-ID: <cs9actjwe4a.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>  1 johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com (John Reinhardt) writes:   j > dsmit115@csc.com (Dave Smith) wrote in message news:<2151a4d2.0411120837.44d0e4de@posting.google.com>... > C > > I, too, just renewed my hobbyist licenses within the past week. E > > Remember you have to do two registrations, once for the basic VMS J > > license and a second time for all the layered product PAKs. My layeredG > > products email *does* include a COBOL PAK. It is in between CMS and ! > > CXX-V licenses in my email...  > ) > Ditto for mine generated on 30-OCT-2004   A Its in in mine as well. I loaded the file in one go, and for some E reasons some PAK's didn't register. Thanks for getting me to actually  *look* at the file!   F Now I have all the missing PAK's loaded and registered, but some stillF sprout strange errors while booting. The C compiler license looks like this when loading it:    $ license load CD %LICENSE-W-TERM, C DECUS-SWE-070155872-522551 License has terminated8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  15-NOV-2004 12:05:44.53  %%%%%%%%%%%! Message from user SYSTEM on FLOYD D %LICENSE-E-TERM, C DECUS-SWE-070155872-522551 License has terminated  = %LICENSE-I-LOADED, DEC C was successfully loaded with 0 units   G and the first part with the termination notice shows every time I boot, E even though the license is fine and the compiler works like a dream!?   F Anyone know why the messages appear and how to remove them? I think itD looks like the old license PAK is still there and then is overloaded- with a new one. How that can be is beyond me.    /andreas   --  A A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. ' Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?  A: Top-posting. ; Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:49:41 +0000 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> 0 Subject: Re: COBOL PAK for the Hobbyist License?+ Message-ID: <2vrjiiF2mrs0jU1@uni-berlin.de>    Andreas Davour wrote:  > [...snip...]H > Now I have all the missing PAK's loaded and registered, but some stillH > sprout strange errors while booting. The C compiler license looks like > this when loading it:  >  > $ license load CF > %LICENSE-W-TERM, C DECUS-SWE-070155872-522551 License has terminated: > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  15-NOV-2004 12:05:44.53  %%%%%%%%%%%# > Message from user SYSTEM on FLOYD F > %LICENSE-E-TERM, C DECUS-SWE-070155872-522551 License has terminated > ? > %LICENSE-I-LOADED, DEC C was successfully loaded with 0 units  > I > and the first part with the termination notice shows every time I boot, G > even though the license is fine and the compiler works like a dream!?  > H > Anyone know why the messages appear and how to remove them? I think itF > looks like the old license PAK is still there and then is overloaded/ > with a new one. How that can be is beyond me.   E Yep, you still have the old PAKs in your licence database.  To remove  them, simply e.g.:  3 	$ license delete c/auth=DECUS-SWE-070155872-522551   = You can list all the licence, including the expired ones, by:    	$ license list [/full]    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 03:20:08 -0800, From: shevchenko@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de (Sheva)' Subject: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator < Message-ID: <adeef81b.0411150320.8b1cf2b@posting.google.com>   Hello,  : I installed VAX/VMS under SIMH, and I am really impressed. This is just AMAZING!   I The question is if it is possible to skip the long boot procedure of the   VAX System.   H At the beginning one has to boot the VMS system, and it takes some time.+ One has to do it each time I restart my PC. 5 At the end I do SHUTDOWN, which also takes some time. ; And next time I have to boot CPU and boot the system newly.   ( Is there a possibility to skip all this?  < I can jump out from the VMS to the SIMH with the CTRL-E key.- Then I can return back with the commant cont.   = Is there a way to freeze this state, and reactivate it later?   2 the file system is anyway stored in the DSK-files.& One also has some non-volatile memory.L One could save the whole snapshot of the system, and reactivate it next time( the PC is started with just one command. This would save much time!   Does anybody know the solution?  Thanks!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:50:12 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>+ Subject: Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator / Message-ID: <41986DC4.15936.1203FE04@localhost>   $ On 15 Nov 2004 at 3:20, Sheva wrote:I > I can jump out from the VMS to the SIMH with the CTRL-E key. Then I can % > return back with the commant cont.    C This works for a brief time.  If the emulated VAX is a member of a  C VMS cluster, the VAX will be removed from the cluster after just a   few seconds.    F > The question is if it is possible to skip the long boot procedure of > the VAX System.   F SIMH will have the same limitations of the operating system that it's C running.  Having a "quick boot" of VMS has been on the "wish list"   for a long time.  F To modify VMS to support "quick boot" would be a substantial effort --C and HP certainly isn't interested in supporting it.  After all, if  F the boot takes 10 minutes, but your system runs for years afterwards, 3 what's the point?  This isn't Windows, after all...   C But, given the source code of SIMH, you could probably capture the  ) memory state somehow, and give it a shot.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:13:05 +0100 " From: Jiri Kulhan <jiri@kulhan.cz>+ Subject: Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator + Message-ID: <2vrrrmF2nmj9qU1@uni-berlin.de>    > H > To modify VMS to support "quick boot" would be a substantial effort --E > and HP certainly isn't interested in supporting it.  After all, if  H > the boot takes 10 minutes, but your system runs for years afterwards, 5 > what's the point?  This isn't Windows, after all...   I The point is that SIMH needs to be booted again after each Windows crash   :-))   > E > But, given the source code of SIMH, you could probably capture the  + > memory state somehow, and give it a shot.   G Long time ago there was a feature called snapshot (OVMS 5.x, maybe 6.x   ?). Is it still in the system?   Jirka    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:49:31 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>+ Subject: Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator / Message-ID: <41987BAB.28463.123A4A51@localhost>   + On 15 Nov 2004 at 15:13, Jiri Kulhan wrote: F > > But, given the source code of SIMH, you could probably capture the- > > memory state somehow, and give it a shot.  > H > Long time ago there was a feature called snapshot (OVMS 5.x, maybe 6.x  > ?). Is it still in the system?  F Don't know.  But since SIMH has the entire memory state and processor E state (it's an emulator, after all), you could "snapshot" the entire  D thing to a disk file.  That way, you wouldn't have to mess with VMS 	 at all...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:22:59 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator , Message-ID: <4198C997.475E1243@teksavvy.com>   "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:G > Don't know.  But since SIMH has the entire memory state and processor F > state (it's an emulator, after all), you could "snapshot" the entireE > thing to a disk file.  That way, you wouldn't have to mess with VMS  > at all...   N The old Insignia Solutiosn Windows emulator on MACs did exactly that. When youL exited the program it gave you option to save for "turbostart", and when youK restarted again, it picked up where you had left off. This was with Windows  95.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:19:35 -0000 5 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> + Subject: Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator + Message-ID: <2vrvpqF2ohrfsU1@uni-berlin.de>   > "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> wrote in message ) news:41986DC4.15936.1203FE04@localhost... & > On 15 Nov 2004 at 3:20, Sheva wrote:J >> I can jump out from the VMS to the SIMH with the CTRL-E key. Then I can% >> return back with the commant cont.  > D > This works for a brief time.  If the emulated VAX is a member of aD > VMS cluster, the VAX will be removed from the cluster after just a > few seconds. > G >> The question is if it is possible to skip the long boot procedure of  >> the VAX System. > G > SIMH will have the same limitations of the operating system that it's D > running.  Having a "quick boot" of VMS has been on the "wish list" > for a long time. > H > To modify VMS to support "quick boot" would be a substantial effort --D > and HP certainly isn't interested in supporting it.  After all, ifG > the boot takes 10 minutes, but your system runs for years afterwards, 5 > what's the point?  This isn't Windows, after all...  > D > But, given the source code of SIMH, you could probably capture the+ > memory state somehow, and give it a shot.  >  > --Stan Quayle  > Quayle Consulting Inc. >  > ----------/ > Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 5 > 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 2 > stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com >   L Fast and simple solution. Use Microsoft's VirtualPC or VMware, and run SIMH G inside that virtual machine. Their state can be saved. To make is more  I bizarre even, you might want to run Linux inside that VM and use SIMH on   that Linux.    rob van lopik    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 09:33:53 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator 3 Message-ID: <l9hiIT9EEGN2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <adeef81b.0411150320.8b1cf2b@posting.google.com>, shevchenko@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de (Sheva) writes: 	 > Hello,  < > I installed VAX/VMS under SIMH, and I am really impressed. > This is just AMAZING!  > K > The question is if it is possible to skip the long boot procedure of the  
 > VAX System.   
 It should be.   N > One could save the whole snapshot of the system, and reactivate it next time* > the PC is started with just one command. > This would save much time!  6 Use whatever version of VAX/VMS supported "Fast Boot".   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 11:22:19 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: FAST BOOT OF SIMH VAX Emulator 3 Message-ID: <gNXiIcB$p8Sr@eisner.encompasserve.org>   k In article <adeef81b.0411150320.8b1cf2b@posting.google.com>, shevchenko@ikp.tu-darmstadt.de (Sheva) writes: 	 > Hello,  < > I installed VAX/VMS under SIMH, and I am really impressed. > This is just AMAZING!  > K > The question is if it is possible to skip the long boot procedure of the  
 > VAX System.   F    Once upon a time this was worked on for VAXen.  Alphas boot so fast    nobody cared anymore.  <    You want SIMH to boot VMS faster, put it on a faster box.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:16:57 -0800 ( From: J. A. Mc. <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com>M Subject: Re: FBI turned AMERICA into a NATION of PROGRAMMED SLAVES and ROBOTS 8 Message-ID: <43php05lmvuagck3fen08t5l78fgkr91qo@4ax.com>  H On 15 Nov 2004 03:45:06 -0800, keithn345@138mail.com (Keith) found these unused words floating about:  F >Please save this column on your computers and email accounts and also? >forward this to all your friends, family, coworkers, democracy E >websites, civil liberties websites and as many americans as possible A >who are genuinely concerned about CIVIL LIBERTIES and FREEDOM in 	 >America.  > K Guess you might benefit from renewing your prescription(s) and a dictionary  ...    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 09:28:42 -0800% From: martin@icanfixit.co.uk (Martin) M Subject: Re: FBI turned AMERICA into a NATION of PROGRAMMED SLAVES and ROBOTS = Message-ID: <e05a06fe.0411150928.7355366f@posting.google.com>   F I thought this forum was to help each other out with printer problems.E I see Keith has a problem with something.  I think keith could be the  next washington sniper?!!    Only joking Keith!   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 05:32:56 -08002 From: StorageWorksGuy@yahoo.com (StorageWorks Guy)- Subject: Re: hardware training - storageWorks = Message-ID: <4a093777.0411150532.18ee8cb0@posting.google.com>    Jim,   @ There are some free WBT courses on older StorageWorks kit, e.g.:4  http://compaq.billyoungprod.com/storageworks_feb02/C For information specific to the RA3000 you're best to check out the # documentation on the HP website at: B  http://h18006.www1.hp.com/products/storageworks/RA3000/index.html> Click on the 'Technical documentation' link. Unfortunately the0 documentation specific to VMS doesn't seem to be< there. There doesn't even seem to be any on the old ftp site7 (ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/). What there does seem to be  is the SWCC VMS Agent W (ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/storageworks/storage_mgmt/swccdown/HSZ22_axpvms.exe)  - the ? client that you need however is not there and I'm not sure what  version of the agent this is. C SWCC (StorageWorks Command Console) is the only supported method of = managing / configuring the RA3000. You need a client which is D installed on a PC/laptop. This client can access the RA3000 directlyB via a serial connection (slow!), via SCSI (for Windows Servers) orC TCPIP (an SWCC agent is required to be installed on the host server B for this - this is the HSZ22_axpvmx.exe file mentioned above). TheC SWCC software is supplied on the solutions CD which would have been A shipped with the controller. I believe you can still purchase the D solution kits if required - part numbers are in the QuickSpecs foundH at http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10786_na/10786_na.HTML.D Configuration is easy using SWCC as is replacement of failed devices etc..   C It is important that you use the supplied UPS and have it cabled up 0 correctly with the RA3000, you need to make sureE you have the UPS comms cable connected and that only one power supply , from each shelf (if rackmounted) or one fromC each pedestal enclosure is connected to the UPS. If you connect all * power supplies to the UPS you can get someA strange behaviour. The installation guides give details on how to  cable up the hardware.D There are no tools at the hardware level to check the integrity of a' RAID 5 set on the controller - the SWCC < software allows you to configure and check the status of the2 controller and its devices but thats all. The onlyC thing you can do really is check from ANA/DISK within VMS to see if  there appear to be any issues.F If you're using 36GB drives with the RA3000 you need to make sure that) you're running the latest firmware on the ? controllers, this is d11x and is downloadable if required from  [ http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/storageworks/softwaredrivers/ra3000/firmwareupgrade.html C You can backup the configuration from SWCC if required - there were / some issues with restoring the configuration on E older version of firmware but with d11x you shouldn't have a problem. . The configuration of the RAIDsets is stored onE the disks themselves, this means that if you lose the controllers for + some reason you can pop a new controller in E and it should pick up the configurations ok. What it won't pick up is + the way that the RAIDsets are mapped to the A host server (Host LUN Mapping) - this information along with some 2 other host parameters is stored on the controller,@ for this reason its a good idea to take a hard copy of this - so0 complete the config information in Appendix A ofS ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/storageworks/techdoc/raidstorage/AA-RACZD-TE.pdf.  This document (although its for A Windows rather than VMS) also advises how to restore the Host LUN  mapping if necessary. ? There is another method of accessing the RA3000 - the HSZ22 DEC E Monitor Utility - this is accessed through a terminal emulator with a @ serial connection. It is not supported and should not be used to@ either configure RAIDsets (uses different amount of metadata) orE rebuild them in the event of a failure using this utility - there are F also other parameters which if changed within this utility could causeF data integrity problems, data loss and malfunction of the controller -D so be careful! - the only time you would use it is to remap the HostC LUN mapping information as advised in the document referenced above B and for carrying out firmware upgrades, its also useful in that it( contains good error logging information.  1 Hopefully this answers most of your questions....    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 07:49:33 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 6 Subject: Re: how to implement an append only log file?3 Message-ID: <FVCD0+6u$r9y@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <4197FC09.2030005@gce.com>, Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com> writes:   I > If you're writing to a WORM, it can be pretty hard to see how you could  > alter a log file  @    The problem is trusting the software that writes to the WORM.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:55:23 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: LBR$ routines corrupting libraries , Message-ID: <4198D12E.3FD5F003@teksavvy.com>  1 Ok, this one is making me lose way too much time.   J Is it possible that calling LBR$FLUSH twice in a row would corrupt the LBR
 routines ?    ! LBR$INI_CONTROL with LBR$C_UPDATE  LBR$OPEN/ <multiple operations, read-only, all succesful>  loop of LBR$PUT_RECORD LBR$PUT_END 	 LBR$FLUSH  LBR$REPLACE_KEY    All this works.    But then, when I close:    LBR$FLUSH -> status of 0 LBR$CLOSE -> status of 0  T In both cases, the library becomes unusable and must be rebuilt (improperly closed).  G If I open the libraries with LBR$C_READ, then the closing LBR$FLUSH and & LBR$CLOSE yield a perfect LBR$NORMAL.   M If I open the library with LBR$C_UPDATE, with no modification to the modules, N then the closing LBR$FLUSH yields a LBR$_NORMAL, but the LBR$CLOSE gives a big far 0 as a status.  K After a LBR$FLUSH, the library seems to remain open since I can then go and N browse other library members. So a LIB$FLUSH doesn't seem to completely close.   This is with VAX VMS 7.2  I Isn't there some *real* documentation for the LBR routines apart from the J incomplete stuff in the utility routines manual ? Found out through googleI that there is a $MHDDEF macro that defines the module headers. How is one  supposed to know that ?    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Nov 2004 07:54:50 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com  Subject: Mono/.Net on OpenVMS?, Message-ID: <cn9nca01kps@enews4.newsguy.com>  J Out of curiousity, has anyone tried to get "Mono" running on OpenVMS?  I'mL starting to get slightly interested in .Net, and OpenVMS support seems to beJ the big hole for me (well that and the fact I've been unable to build Mono
 for Irix).   		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:36:56 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> " Subject: Re: Mono/.Net on OpenVMS?, Message-ID: <41986A83.7BBAE6AE@teksavvy.com>   healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > H > Out of curiousity, has anyone tried to get "Mono" running on OpenVMS?    What is Mono ?    A And what is ".NET" apart from some Microsoft marketing gimmick ?  J Does it have specific services unavailable under their real names on other platforms ?   M (Since Microsoft rarely invents anything, I somehow doubt that .NET brings in N anything totally new, it is more olikely to just rename exsiting stuff and add proprietary extensions).   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 12:26:02 +0100( From: Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se>" Subject: Re: Mono/.Net on OpenVMS?4 Message-ID: <cs96547wdyt.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    > healyzh@aracnet.com wrote: > > J > > Out of curiousity, has anyone tried to get "Mono" running on OpenVMS?  >  > What is Mono ?    ? The GNOME implementation of the .NET stuff that's standardized.    C > And what is ".NET" apart from some Microsoft marketing gimmick ?  L > Does it have specific services unavailable under their real names on other
 > platforms ?  > O > (Since Microsoft rarely invents anything, I somehow doubt that .NET brings in P > anything totally new, it is more olikely to just rename exsiting stuff and add > proprietary extensions).  G Precisely. It's the same deal as Java. Compile once and run everywhere, C except everywhere is just Windows or maybe Mono. I haven't tried it  myself.   G It's a framework for developing, using a API and compiling to a VM of a 6 sort if I'm not totally mistaken. Very much like Java.   /Andreas   --  A A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. ' Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?  A: Top-posting. ; Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:40:57 -0500 - From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> " Subject: Re: Mono/.Net on OpenVMS?1 Message-ID: <ZYCdnbSL_uBHPgXcRVn-pQ@adelphia.com>    healyzh@aracnet.com wrote:L > Out of curiousity, has anyone tried to get "Mono" running on OpenVMS?  I'mN > starting to get slightly interested in .Net, and OpenVMS support seems to beL > the big hole for me (well that and the fact I've been unable to build Mono > for Irix).  D In order for the configure step to complete, it needs the "pkgtool" I utility ported to OpenVMS.  Pkgtool appears to be a set of shell scripts  F to get information about the operating system.  From a quick look, it B looks like many of the shell scripts in pkgtool are written for a  specific operating system.  G Also the GNU scripts used in the "Configure" step seem to be convinced    that "VMS" implies a 32 bit VAX.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:19:51 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>" Subject: Re: Mono/.Net on OpenVMS?. Message-ID: <419882C7.2663.125611CB@localhost>  / On 15 Nov 2004 at 7:40, John E. Malmberg wrote: H > Also the GNU scripts used in the "Configure" step seem to be convinced" > that "VMS" implies a 32 bit VAX.  D A patch to "configure" was added to the mainline code in the spring E that supports Alpha and Itanium.  Doesn't mean that everyone got the  C latest version into their packages.  You can check the contents of  D "configure" and download the newest version and replace the one you  have.   ' As for pkgtool, haven't looked at it...   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 07:24:14 -0800, From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) Subject: raid hardware= Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0411150724.293c2423@posting.google.com>   4 What RAID hardware arrays are available for OpenVMS?6 Only from H.P. or are there third party RAID products?  O Can you configure the RAID through an OpenVMS utility or did you need to set it N up via a laptop with some software that ran on Microsoft Windows or other o/s?  H Is there a software program that runs and checks for errors on the RAID?  ! Our data needs are around 100 GB.    Thanks in advance.  5 Jim Strehlow, OpenVMS Administrator, Alameda, CA, USA    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 00:38:18 -0800 From: mb301@hotmail.com (MB)* Subject: RMS Files and directories Indexes= Message-ID: <1d08b916.0411150038.6a8d15c3@posting.google.com>   B I am urgently seeking some information on how files are stored and indexed by OpenVMS V7.2-1   C Have an application which has been generating files (62,000 approx) F where the first 22 characters are always the same letters and numbers,B a year down the line it taking ages just doing a simple OS commandD like $ dire'.  You can forget something like $ dire/before=today'.  / 1. How many files should you keep in directory? A 2. Why should you keep the .dir file (which contains my files) to  below 128 Blocks? D 3. Does having the first 22 characters the same cause any problem to OpenVMS?1 4. Why does renaming rebuild the directory index? < 5. Should you rename the file to same directory, a different directory, or another disk?  6.How about FAQ on the matter?   What are HP recommendations?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 04:26:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: RMS Files and directories Indexes, Message-ID: <41987607.2BD9F83E@teksavvy.com>  	 MB wrote: H > where the first 22 characters are always the same letters and numbers,D > a year down the line it taking ages just doing a simple OS commandF > like $ dire'.  You can forget something like $ dire/before=today'.      C > 2. Why should you keep the .dir file (which contains my files) to  > below 128 Blocks?   H It is/was a caching issue. Not sure it is still valid. Also you have not7 mentioned if your drive is formatted as ODS-2 or ODS-5.   F > 3. Does having the first 22 characters the same cause any problem to
 > OpenVMS?  J I *believe* it does. I remember the ALL-IN-1 folks mentioning how they hadK tried very hard to have their "random" file names be totally random to help K with hashing techniques used to access a directory. But that was years ago, F this may have changed. Reversing your name to have ddmmyyyy instead of4 yyyymmdd might give this better hanshing capability.    3 > 4. Why does renaming rebuild the directory index?   L Directory files are sequential files. Any changes to it require not only theL record be rewritten, but also all records after that one. (which is why whenL you do a mass delete, it is faster to delete the directory from last file to@ the first file since a whole lot less rewriting will be needed).  > > 5. Should you rename the file to same directory, a different > directory, or another disk?   G Not sure. If you  $RENAME RECIPE.TXT CHOCOLATE.TXT  does this involve 2 D updates to the directory (one from RECIPE.TXT to end, the other fromG CHOCOLATE.TXT to the end, or does it rewrite the file just once, adding 0 CHOCOLATE and removing RECEPE in the same pass ?   > What are HP recommendations?  4 You want recommendatiosn from VMS engineers. not HP.  > You may wish to distribute files amongst multiple directories.   You can define 2 logicals:  B $define READ_CHOCOLATE   [dir1],[dir2],[dir3],[dir4],[dir5],[dir6] $define WRITE_CHOCOLATE  [dir3]   R and change WRITE_CHOCOLATE at regular intervals to point to a different directory.  N You create files in WRITE_CHOCOLATE: (which will distribute files amongst manyN directories) and then use READ_CHOCOLATE logical to access existing files, and; being a searchlist, it will automatically locate your file.   B This will help keep each directory file at a more manageable size.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:32:14 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com . Subject: Re: RMS Files and directories Indexes- Message-ID: <87y8h3b8dt.fsf@prep.synonet.com>    mb301@hotmail.com (MB) writes:  D > I am urgently seeking some information on how files are stored and > indexed by OpenVMS V7.2-1   E > Have an application which has been generating files (62,000 approx) ? > where the first 22 characters are always the same letters and E > numbers, a year down the line it taking ages just doing a simple OS L > command like $ dire'.  You can forget something like $ dire/before=today'.  1 > 1. How many files should you keep in directory?    How ever many you need to.  C > 2. Why should you keep the .dir file (which contains my files) to  > below 128 Blocks?   	 see below   F > 3. Does having the first 22 characters the same cause any problem to
 > OpenVMS?  D The XQP keeps a hint to the directory. This used to be a partial keyA to each of 128 blocks max in the directory. If you exceeded that, A directory lookup time went way up. There is no longer a 128 block 3 limit, but there is a max of 128 key kint pointers.   E The key comes from the file name, so if the name is almost identical, C the scheme fails as the keys have the same value. So the xqp has to  do a full search of the .dir  3 > 4. Why does renaming rebuild the directory index?    ???   > > 5. Should you rename the file to same directory, a different > directory, or another disk?   E You CAN'T rename to another disk. You have to COPY.  The rest depends + on the exact details of what you are doing.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 10:19:51 -0500 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>. Subject: Re: RMS Files and directories Indexes. Message-ID: <419882C7.5257.12561135@localhost>  D > I am urgently seeking some information on how files are stored and > indexed by OpenVMS V7.2-1  > E > Have an application which has been generating files (62,000 approx) H > where the first 22 characters are always the same letters and numbers,D > a year down the line it taking ages just doing a simple OS commandK > like =91$ dire'.  You can forget something like =91$ dire/before=3Dtoday=  '. > C > 2. Why should you keep the .dir file (which contains my files) to  > below 128 Blocks?   B Upgrade to V7.3-2, and your problems will vanish.  Prior versions D only cached 128 blocks of the directory file, regardless of how big  it was.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 10:13:35 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman). Subject: Re: RMS Files and directories Indexes= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0411151013.1a80baa0@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41987607.2BD9F83E@teksavvy.com>...  > MB wrote: J > > where the first 22 characters are always the same letters and numbers,F > > a year down the line it taking ages just doing a simple OS commandH > > like ?$ dire'.  You can forget something like ?$ dire/before=today'. >  >  > E > > 2. Why should you keep the .dir file (which contains my files) to  > > below 128 Blocks?  > J > It is/was a caching issue. Not sure it is still valid. Also you have not9 > mentioned if your drive is formatted as ODS-2 or ODS-5.   F Wasn't this 128-block limit lifted for some version of VMS or at least some Alpha version of VMS?   > H > > 3. Does having the first 22 characters the same cause any problem to > > OpenVMS? > L > I *believe* it does. I remember the ALL-IN-1 folks mentioning how they hadM > tried very hard to have their "random" file names be totally random to help M > with hashing techniques used to access a directory. But that was years ago, H > this may have changed. Reversing your name to have ddmmyyyy instead of6 > yyyymmdd might give this better hanshing capability. >  > 5 > > 4. Why does renaming rebuild the directory index?  > N > Directory files are sequential files. Any changes to it require not only theN > record be rewritten, but also all records after that one. (which is why when  E Are you sure about that? I think that it only rewrites records in the D same directory block, *unless* that block overflows to the next one,< in which case you'd have to rewrite at least one more block.    N > you do a mass delete, it is faster to delete the directory from last file toB > the first file since a whole lot less rewriting will be needed).   This is true.    [...]    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:20:01 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s , Message-ID: <76adnTV1eMeTMAXcRVn-gg@igs.net>  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=738&e=1&u=/ap/20041115/ap_o n_hi_te/sun_solaris10   ) Sun to Give Out Operating System for Free   ( By MATTHEW FORDAHL, AP Technology Writer  J SAN JOSE, Calif. - After investing roughly $500 million and spending years@ of development time on its next-generation operating system, SunE Microsystems Inc. on Monday will announce an aggressive price for the  software - free.  I Sun, which has never completely rebounded from the tech collapse in 2001, H hopes the no-cost of Solaris 10 will not only attract customers but alsoI expand the number of developers who write programs that work on computers  running the operating system.   D The result, Sun believes, will be renewed demand for its servers andL services. The company also will charge subscription fees for Solaris supportD and service programs that are typically sought by the businesses and organizations that Sun targets.   K "Hewlett Packard sells a printer at a low price and makes a lot of money on L printer cartridges. Gillette gives you the razor and makes a lot of money onL the blades," said Scott McNealy, Sun's chief executive. "There are different" ways to drive market penetration."  K Solaris 10 will be unveiled Monday at an event in San Jose, though it won't L be formally released until the end of January. It will work on more than 270K computer platforms running on chips from Sun, Intel Corp. or Advanced Micro  Devices Inc.  K The price of earlier versions of Solaris typically ran between hundreds and H thousands of dollars - depending on the system that was being run by theG software, said Tom Goguen, Sun's vice president of operating platforms.   L Sun also has promised make the underlying code of Solaris available under anK open-source license, though the details have not been released. With access I to the code, Solaris users will be able to take advantage of its features / when developing their own software and systems.   B The move stands in contrast to Microsoft Corp.'s Windows and otherJ proprietary operating systems in which the blueprints are released only to select outsiders, if any.   K And, depending on the final license, it could make Solaris more competitive D with open-source operating systems like Linux (news - web sites) and! distributors such as Red Hat Inc.   L "When we open source, the one advantage we thought Red Hat had is gone. ThenI we both have an advantage with respect to Microsoft," McNealy said. "(Sun H has) a worldwide service and support organization, which we think is way. better than either company in the enterprise."  E Solaris also will run programs written for the Linux operating system # without having to make any changes.   K Though Sun also sells lower-end systems that run Linux, it believes Solaris F is a better value proposition. To strengthen its case, Solaris 10 willF include security features that in the past were only part of a trusted> version sold strictly to government agencies and the military.  H Sun, a star of the late 1990s tech boom, fell on hard times as corporateI spending shrunk and rivals like IBM Corp. and Hewlett-Packard Co. started < offering machines with less expensive hardware and software.  L The Santa Clara-based company has been trying to return to solid footing forH years, and McNealy said Solaris 10 is an important part of the company's transformation.   J "It's kind of the tent pole - it just kind of holds up the whole deal," he said.   K Last month, Sun announced its second consecutive quarter of revenue growth, L though profits remain elusive. McNealy believes the company he co-founded inJ 1982 has already turned the corner, though the financials have yet to show it.   I "There's always a lag with companies our size," McNealy said. "And that's K assuming we're not making dumb mistakes right now that I don't know about."    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 07:51:25 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s 3 Message-ID: <j4NRqhF2Qk4T@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <76adnTV1eMeTMAXcRVn-gg@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=738&e=1&u=/ap/20041115/ap_o > n_hi_te/sun_solaris10  > + > Sun to Give Out Operating System for Free   '    Sun is going to get what it's worth.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:07:07 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s , Message-ID: <4198B7D4.243B7CDF@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote: K > Sun, which has never completely rebounded from the tech collapse in 2001, J > hopes the no-cost of Solaris 10 will not only attract customers but alsoK > expand the number of developers who write programs that work on computers  > running the operating system.     N This is actually a very smart move from Sun when you consider the threath that Linux represents.   N SUN is effectively neutralising the big advantage Linux has. Now, if Sun could; have done this 3 years ago, Linux may never have taken off.   K And I think it also represents the next paradigm in software: free licence,  but you pay for support.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:06:52 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s ( Message-ID: <opshietqfxzgicya@hyrrokkin>  F Scott got the Gillette business model backwards, he is giving away the3 razor blades, and hopes someone will buy his razor.   F On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 08:20:01 -0500, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  N > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=738&e=1&u=/ap/20041115/ap_o > n_hi_te/sun_solaris10  > + > Sun to Give Out Operating System for Free  > * > By MATTHEW FORDAHL, AP Technology Writer > H > SAN JOSE, Calif. - After investing roughly $500 million and spending   > years B > of development time on its next-generation operating system, SunG > Microsystems Inc. on Monday will announce an aggressive price for the  > software - free. > K > Sun, which has never completely rebounded from the tech collapse in 2001, J > hopes the no-cost of Solaris 10 will not only attract customers but alsoK > expand the number of developers who write programs that work on computers  > running the operating system.  > F > The result, Sun believes, will be renewed demand for its servers andH > services. The company also will charge subscription fees for Solaris  	 > support F > and service programs that are typically sought by the businesses and! > organizations that Sun targets.  > L > "Hewlett Packard sells a printer at a low price and makes a lot of money   > onG > printer cartridges. Gillette gives you the razor and makes a lot of   
 > money onF > the blades," said Scott McNealy, Sun's chief executive. "There are   > different $ > ways to drive market penetration." > I > Solaris 10 will be unveiled Monday at an event in San Jose, though it    > won't L > be formally released until the end of January. It will work on more than   > 270 I > computer platforms running on chips from Sun, Intel Corp. or Advanced    > Micro  > Devices Inc. > K > The price of earlier versions of Solaris typically ran between hundreds    > and J > thousands of dollars - depending on the system that was being run by theI > software, said Tom Goguen, Sun's vice president of operating platforms.  > G > Sun also has promised make the underlying code of Solaris available   
 > under anH > open-source license, though the details have not been released. With   > accessK > to the code, Solaris users will be able to take advantage of its features 1 > when developing their own software and systems.  > D > The move stands in contrast to Microsoft Corp.'s Windows and otherK > proprietary operating systems in which the blueprints are released only    > to > select outsiders, if any.  > C > And, depending on the final license, it could make Solaris more   
 > competitive F > with open-source operating systems like Linux (news - web sites) and# > distributors such as Red Hat Inc.  > K > "When we open source, the one advantage we thought Red Hat had is gone.    > ThenK > we both have an advantage with respect to Microsoft," McNealy said. "(Sun J > has) a worldwide service and support organization, which we think is way0 > better than either company in the enterprise." > G > Solaris also will run programs written for the Linux operating system % > without having to make any changes.  > G > Though Sun also sells lower-end systems that run Linux, it believes   	 > Solaris H > is a better value proposition. To strengthen its case, Solaris 10 willH > include security features that in the past were only part of a trusted@ > version sold strictly to government agencies and the military. > J > Sun, a star of the late 1990s tech boom, fell on hard times as corporateK > spending shrunk and rivals like IBM Corp. and Hewlett-Packard Co. started > > offering machines with less expensive hardware and software. > L > The Santa Clara-based company has been trying to return to solid footing   > for J > years, and McNealy said Solaris 10 is an important part of the company's > transformation.  > K > "It's kind of the tent pole - it just kind of holds up the whole deal,"    > he > said.  > G > Last month, Sun announced its second consecutive quarter of revenue   	 > growth, B > though profits remain elusive. McNealy believes the company he   > co-founded in I > 1982 has already turned the corner, though the financials have yet to    > show > it.  > K > "There's always a lag with companies our size," McNealy said. "And that's G > assuming we're not making dumb mistakes right now that I don't know   	 > about."  >  >        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:56:31 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s + Message-ID: <4198C365.5814C66@teksavvy.com>    Tom Linden wrote:  > H > Scott got the Gillette business model backwards, he is giving away the5 > razor blades, and hopes someone will buy his razor.   M Nop. razors are cheap. blades aren't. Same with diabetic testers. Testers are M free, but the test strips aren't free. Once hooked up to a tester, you get to C buy their proprietary supplies (test strips) for rest of your life.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 07:03:01 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> + Subject: Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s ( Message-ID: <opshihfbvzzgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:56:31 -0500, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > Tom Linden wrote:  >>I >> Scott got the Gillette business model backwards, he is giving away the 6 >> razor blades, and hopes someone will buy his razor. > E > Nop. razors are cheap. blades aren't. Same with diabetic testers.   
 > Testers are J > free, but the test strips aren't free. Once hooked up to a tester, you   > get toE > buy their proprietary supplies (test strips) for rest of your life.    I view the Server as the razor.    --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 11:20:54 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s 3 Message-ID: <7olBqm8vmN03@eisner.encompasserve.org>   [ In article <4198C365.5814C66@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  > Tom Linden wrote:  >>  I >> Scott got the Gillette business model backwards, he is giving away the 6 >> razor blades, and hopes someone will buy his razor. > O > Nop. razors are cheap. blades aren't. Same with diabetic testers. Testers are O > free, but the test strips aren't free. Once hooked up to a tester, you get to E > buy their proprietary supplies (test strips) for rest of your life.   D   That's exactly Tom's point.  Gillette gave me a three-bladed razorF   because they want me to buy thier blades.  Sun should be giving awayD   (or at least reducing the price of) hardware in order to sell moreC   Solaris.  The money is in the blades, not the razors, and in the     software, not the hardware.    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 11:18:18 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) + Subject: Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s 3 Message-ID: <uNbIf5vyqSwa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4198B7D4.243B7CDF@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > P > This is actually a very smart move from Sun when you consider the threath that > Linux represents.   F    This sounds too much like DEC.  DEC's biggest problem was that theyE    thought they were in the business of selling computers (hardware), ?    when what their customers wanted was software (such as VMS).   A    If Scotty can't figure out what Billy knows, the Sun will set.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:53:36 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s , Message-ID: <4198ECDB.F7F1A152@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:H >    This sounds too much like DEC.  DEC's biggest problem was that theyG >    thought they were in the business of selling computers (hardware), A >    when what their customers wanted was software (such as VMS).   J I don't see it that way at all. The way I see it, Sun has realised that OSJ revenus will go to 0 because of Linux. Either through lack of sales, or byN giving it away. But by giving it away, you then have support revenus which can be quite profitable.  G So Sun would be shifting its revenus from software licences to software 7 support. Lowers cost of entry, raises maintenance cost.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:12:30 GMT 4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>+ Subject: Re: Solaris 10 - no charge for o/s 1 Message-ID: <ik6md.2915$gi.2618@news.cpqcorp.net>   E Ack.  I hate to be agreeing with JF.  Linux has provided at least the D appearance of being "free".  In reality, while Linux can be obtainedH "free" - the typical Red Hat user purchases a subscription service whichH includes a copy of the OS along with support, updates, and new versions.G The user can select the level of service based on how much they want to A spend.  Since Red Hat went to that model, they appear profitable.   J The net effect is to lower the cost of entry, and remove complex licensingG schemes.  It doesn't so much shift the costs to maintenance (since most F commercial users typically buy support contracts), as it increases theJ probability of a long-term revenue stream (by making service contracts the  norm) for all systems they sell.  K I think Sun realized that without parity in cost structure with Linux, that H Solaris would rapidly decline.  I'm not convinced that the strategy willH turn Solaris/Sun around - because by itself it doesn't address the costsK associated with continued development of it's own OS, and supporting unique A (sparc) hardware.  Over time, Sun will have to continue to invest J significant money into Solaris and Sparc to keep it competetive with LinuxH and x86-64.  Solaris isn't sufficiently unique that over time any of its= current capabilities will not be directly available on Linux.     : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4198ECDB.F7F1A152@teksavvy.com... > Bob Koehler wrote:J > >    This sounds too much like DEC.  DEC's biggest problem was that theyI > >    thought they were in the business of selling computers (hardware), C > >    when what their customers wanted was software (such as VMS).  > L > I don't see it that way at all. The way I see it, Sun has realised that OSL > revenus will go to 0 because of Linux. Either through lack of sales, or byL > giving it away. But by giving it away, you then have support revenus which can  > be quite profitable. > I > So Sun would be shifting its revenus from software licences to software 9 > support. Lowers cost of entry, raises maintenance cost.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:27:20 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: TCPIP SMTP failure for postmaster messages , Message-ID: <4198BC8F.6A18679A@teksavvy.com>  N Below is a log of the error message I get when a foreign user attempts to sendJ a message to an undeliverable mailbox on my machine. The bounce message isL created properly, but gets hung in the TCPUP$SMTP_COMMON directory. As well,D the original undeliverable message also gets left ion the directory.  N The bounce message created on my machine but not delivered seems to be all OK.N It uses the right "postmaster" alias and is adressed to the original sender of< the message. But for some reason, VMS refuses to deliver it.    & VAX VMS 7.2 , TCPIP Services 5.3 ECO 2  L ANY IDEAS WHERE TO LOOK ?  What record in the "record not found" would it be looking at ?     I have: / 	  "TCPIP$SMTP_POSTMASTER_ALIAS" = "postmaster" # 	MAIL> show forward/user=postmaster * 		POSTMASTER has mail forwarded to jfmezei* 		TCPIP$SMTP has mail forwarded to JFMEZEI  = 	And there is also a MAIL.MAI file in TCPIP$SMTP's SYS$LOGIN.   7 (in the log, some data was modified to thwart spammers) : ----------------------------------------------------------  P 15-NOV-2004 06:23:13.99: next open file _$2$DKA200:[SYS0.TCPIP$SMTP]041115062306' 62_TCPIP$SMTP-206000F0.TCPIP_BIKE;1(75)   D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   15-NOV-2004 06:23:25.46  %%%%%%%%%%%%' %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user BADNAME 7 Failed to deliver local mail to <badname@waxination.ca> # %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user !AS     / Printing debug_level 2, Domains and recipients:  Domain: vaxination.ca -    Recipient address: <badname@waxination.ca> #    Domain part:       vaxination.ca     Local part:        badname 7    Address Status:    Done, not delivered. (Send error)   ) Printing debug_level 2, relevant headers: & Return-Path: SMTP%"xxxxxxxx@yahoo.com"N Received: from web52209.mail.yahoo.com (206.190.39.91)  by bike.waxination.ca ?   (V5.3-18E, OpenVMS V7.2 VAX); Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:23:06 -0500 H Received: (qmail 25930 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2004 11:20:12 -0000O Received: from [69.28.228.256] by web52209.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov  2004 03:20:11 PST + Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 03:20:11 -0800 (PST)  From: xxxxxxxx@yahoo.com# Subject: This message should bounce  To: badname@waxination.ca @ A permanent error makes this mail undeliverable. Must bounce it.  D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   15-NOV-2004 06:23:25.46  %%%%%%%%%%%%' %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user BADNAME 4 #smtp$do_task\425 smtp$requeue:sndjbcw iosb[0]:98994  D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   15-NOV-2004 06:23:34.15  %%%%%%%%%%%% %RMS-E-RNF, record not foundP WARNING: Fatal error signalled when processing CF= _$2$DKA200:[SYS0.TCPIP$SMTP]0. 4111506230662_TCPIP$SMTP-206000F0.TCPIP_BIKE;1 Leaving as orphan   M -----------------------------------------------------------------------------   I Here is the relevant  text portion of the message that VMS won't deliver:   7 $ type 04111506232874_SYSTEM-20600067.TCPIP_BIKE_TEXT;1   % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 06:23:29 -0500 * Message-Id: <04111506232874@waxination.ca> From: postmaster@waxination.ca To: xxxxxxx@yahoo.com  Subject: Returned mail    ' ---- Transcript of session follows ----   D %%%%%%%%%%%%                   15-NOV-2004 06:23:25.46  %%%%%%%%%%%%' %MAIL-E-NOSUCHUSR, no such user BADNAME   % ---- Recipients of this delivery ----   ! <badname@waxination.ca> (bounced)     ---- Unsent message follows ----   (contents omitted for brevity)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:59:12 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> H Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.3 ECO 4 bounces mail during user's VMS MAIL PURGE?, Message-ID: <419861AD.37A0FD62@teksavvy.com>   sms@antinode.org wrote: E > junk e-mail, sent out a couple of abuse complaints, and exited MAIL F > (with AUTO_PURGE enabled).  Apparently, while MAIL was busy purging,I > TCPIP tried to deliver a couple of automated responses, and failed, so:   L Interesting. On VAX, 5.3 ECO 2, the SMTP software fails on all bounces. (eg:G someone from the outside sends an email to a non existant account on my N system, and it generates a bona-fide postmaster message which gets lost on theL TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON directory and never gets delivered to the original sender.  A Because the thing runs as a symbiont, it is rather hard to debug.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 02:41:08 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.orgH Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.3 ECO 4 bounces mail during user's VMS MAIL PURGE?) Message-ID: <04111502410836@antinode.org>   - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>   G > > junk e-mail, sent out a couple of abuse complaints, and exited MAIL H > > (with AUTO_PURGE enabled).  Apparently, while MAIL was busy purging,K > > TCPIP tried to deliver a couple of automated responses, and failed, so:  > N > Interesting. On VAX, 5.3 ECO 2, the SMTP software fails on all bounces. (eg:I > someone from the outside sends an email to a non existant account on my P > system, and it generates a bona-fide postmaster message which gets lost on theN > TCPIP$SMTP_COMMON directory and never gets delivered to the original sender. > C > Because the thing runs as a symbiont, it is rather hard to debug.   E    I didn't make it clear, but the bounce messages I observed were in A SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP].  I assume that the bounce messages got G delivered to the (external) sender, but I was more bothered by the fact F of the bounce, just because my mail file was busy for several seconds.    D    It's nothing to do with this problem, but I find it convenient toH define a logical name, "JUNKMAIL" = "SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP]", so thatH I can say "SET FILE JUNKMAIL" (and "SELECT NEWMAIL"), where I get to see/ the results of messages sent to addresses like:       webmaster-at-antinode.org"    antinode.orgsms-at-antinode.org    errorstosms-at-antinode.orgE    04012315461791-at-antinode.org  and similar, which, I assume, were E                                    message ID's, probably in Info-VAX , postings.  This one, for example, came from:   [...] , Received: from mvb.saic.com (198.151.12.104)>          by alp.antinode.org (V5.3-18E, OpenVMS V7.3-1 Alpha);-         Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:44:55 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 1 Subject: BACKUP v. save-set with 512-byte records ) Message-ID: <04012315461791@antinode.org>  [...]     F    It's these sorts of known junk addresses which make it desirable toF be able to reject mail using a SMTP.CONFIG rule like "Reject-Rcpt-To:"H in addition to the existing "Reject-Mail-From:".  Even more useful wouldD be a user-supplied command procedure which could detect the 14-digit7 numbers and reject those.  (I'm not holding my breath.)   G    I'm a little amazed at how lame the e-mail address gleaning software D out there must be, but I suppose that quality matters little in that application.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Nov 2004 10:00:27 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) Subject: Value of VAX ft810 = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0411151000.42a41b8d@posting.google.com>   / Richard Tomkins (tomkinsr\a\istop.com) wrote...    [beg quote]    WOW!% Is the system functional/operational? + A Fault Tolerant VAX is a rare bird indeed. L Do the serial numbers on the cabinets begin with KA? If so I may have worked on it.  4 This is a true hardware based Fault Tolerant system.  G The system runs OpenVMS with a small optional package to make the fault L tolerant hardware work. Once that is installed, all software that runs on itJ is fault tolerant, completely. No funny link libraries or special software! packages to build into your code.    rtt    [end quote]    OK, sorry for the late reply.   7 It says KA560AA on the front of the CPU and I/O boards.   
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