1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 20 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 645       Contents:  Re: 90TL Terminal Server Problem Re: DCL on Linux Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw !9 I can teach anyone how to get what they want out of life. P Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual to have a computerP Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual to have a computerP Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual to have a computerP Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual to have a computer' monitor (over TCPIP) hangs---any ideas?  Re: SIMH - networking 
 Re: VMS V1  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:38:36 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: 90TL Terminal Server Problem 1 Message-ID: <newscache$38vg7i$a1i1$1@news.sil.at>   b In article <_NqdnTtKANqMAQPcRVn-oA@comcast.com>, David Reed <junkman24@nospam.comcast.net> writes: >David Reed wrote:L >> I have about 10 90tl terminal servers that I've upgraded to 4 meg of ram F >> and currently use with TCP-IP to connect to various serial devices  >> (printers etc..).  G Which S/W ? (I use now DNAS V2.4 BL50 - btw. Anybody a newer version ?)   H >> They have static IP addresses and work really well. However every 60 J >> days exactly they quit responding. I go power them off and they reboot + >> and work fine again for another 60 days.   ' IP only, or LAT and local access, too ?   B >> I am puzzled! There are no lease timers on static IP addresses.C >> The lights on the front look "normal" The ones with active port  N >> connections still have the port led's lit but can't ping them or anything..  >> What am I overlooking here ?? >>  # >Nobody have any ideas about this ?   O Sorry, no. My DS90s (ok, it used to be ~28 DS90TL/DS90M in my previous company, E but now it is only one DS90M left) have/had years uptime w/o hickups.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2004 14:42:39 +0100( From: Andreas Davour <ante@update.uu.se> Subject: Re: DCL on Linux 4 Message-ID: <cs9k6sgbprk.fsf@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE>  # JKB <knatschke@chezmoi.com> writes:    > Le 18-11-2004,  propos de > Re: DCL on Linux, + >  Keith Parris crivait dans comp.os.vms :  > > Andreas Davour wrote: & > >> Where do you find this DCL clone? > > I > > The FreeVMS project website is at http://freevms.free.fr/indexGB.html  > ? > 	No, at http://www.systella.fr/~bertrand/FreeVMS/indexGB.html  > E > 	All pages have moved a long time ago. DCL/2 project is avoided. We D > 	only work on kernel and libraries. For more explanations, you can; > 	subsbribe at our mailing list (address on the web page).   ! Interesting. Thanks for the link.    /Andreas   --  A A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. ' Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?  A: Top-posting. ; Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:04:14 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> % Subject: Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! ( Message-ID: <opshrqtciyzgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 23:11:17 -0500, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:G >> Despite the very surprising spookiness of certain aspects of quantum D >> mechanics, I find the possibility of going backwards in time very >> unlikely. > J > It used to be that people tough that you'd die if you exceeded 100mph.   > ThenL > came steam locomotives who broke that barrier and nothing happened. Then   > cameK > the time when people though you'd disintegrate when you broke the speed    > ofI > sound. We broke it and people didn't disintegrate. There are 2 people   
 > going atJ > 25 times the speed of sound right now at this very minute in the space  
 > station. > K > Physical movement at some extreme speed may accelerate time relative to    > you H > (but your watch would still tick forward normally). But if it is the  	 > type of L > thing where it never quite gets to 0, then no matter how fast you go, it   > won't  > go negative. > J > But that does not preclude traveling to the past with some other type ofF > "transport" that doesn't involve traveling way above speed of light. > K > Consider this: if you were to travel at such a high speed that time would K > actually stop, upon slowing down you'd end up at some infinite point in    > timeJ > (ahead). Sort of like a division by 0 thing. So whatever theory exists   > right K > now probably is incapable of handling such concepts, just like division    > is% > unable of handling a division by 0.   9 You would need to revise the second law of Thermodynamics    --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 09:16:36 -0800 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> % Subject: Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! ( Message-ID: <opshrwxyy0zgicya@hyrrokkin>  K On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:43:10 +0000 (UTC), <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:   A > In article <b096a4ee.0411191836.4aaec51a@posting.google.com>,   2 > spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:. >> david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote in message  ( >> news:<cnktib$njp$2@news.mdx.ac.uk>...C >>> In article <b096a4ee.0411182011.3ae5e45c@posting.google.com>,   4 >>> spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman) writes:E >>> >hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) wrote in message   2 >>> news:<r37nd.3163$Xp4.1741@news.cpqcorp.net>...? >>> >> In article <00A3B0E7.9C61712D@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-   >>> >> @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>> >>K >>> >> >'Tis my understanding that Mr. Einstein's theories state that any    >>> assump- K >>> >> >tion that time is consistent for all observers it not true.  I do    >>> not be- A >>> >> >lieve that his theories show that time varies negatively.  >>> > K >>> >Correct, but I'd put it that different observers in different inertial H >>> >reference frames will, in general, come up with different delta-T'sG >>> >for the same event. But these effects are completely negligible at I >>> >ordinary speeds. Even at half the speed of light, the "gamma factor" I >>> >is only 1.15, meaning that if it takes 10 min. to smoke a cigarette, I >>> >someone whizzing by at half the speed of light will see it take 11.5 J >>> >minutes. At 1/10 the speed of light, the gamma factor is already downI >>> >to 1.01. At normal terrestrial speeds it factor is for all practical ' >>> >purposes indistinguishable from 1.  >>> 9 >>> Wrong.  You are only dealing with Special Relativity. I >>> Solutions to the equations of General Relativity allowing Time travel  >>> have been known since 1949.  >>G >> Well, there's a difference between a theory saying something does or H >> can happen and a theory not ruling something out. I'm not sure, but IH >> interpreted VAXMAN's remark as saying that Einstein's theories do notC >> imply that going backwards in time is possible. You appear to be I >> saying that his theories don't rule it out. That's not the same thing.  >> >  > H > The fact that solutions to the equations exist in which travel back inK > time occurs shows that given the right conditions then according to the    > theory > time travel is possible." > However there are two "get outs" > K > 1) The mismatch between General Relativity and Quantum theory show that   	 > neither F >    are a complete description of the real universe. Since we have noG >    experimental evidence that travelling back in time is possible the F >    Theory of Everything which supersedes both General Relativity andD >    Quantum theory need not have solutions which allow time travel. > F > 2) Godel's particular solution requires the universe to be rotating.L >    My understanding is that this would produce physical effects which we   > do notJ >    observe in the real Universe. Hence Godel's solution although a validJ >    solution of the equations is not likely to correspond to the physicalG >    Universe. There have been proposals that certain configurations of G >    matter on a much smaller scale than the whole universe also give    > solutions J >    to the equations allowing time travel. None of those configurations   > could K >    be built by our civilization at present and it is possible there may    > beJ >    physical constraints outside of General Relativity that prevent any   > ever >    being built.  >  > I > Note 1. As far as I can see the Theory of General Relativity does not   
 > just notL > rule out Time travel it says that given the right conditions time travel   > can 	 > happen.  > F > Note 2. Even if the theory which supersedes General relativity and  	 > Quantum H > theory predicts time travel as being possible the only way it can be   > tested is B > by experiment. A theory is just a theory it needs experimental  
 > validation. H > No theory can prove that time travel or anything else is possible. A   > theoryJ > just tries to provide an explanation for all known facts and hopefully   > makes 9 > further predictions which can be tested experimentally.  >  >  >  >  >  > F >> But you are right that I spoke only of Special Relativity. But whenI >> General Rel. is applied to known situations, there is no backward time I >> travel. Black holes you say, but they are not known well enough to say G >> anthing about what happens should you enter one and somehow actually  >> survive.  >>F > General Relativity and Quantum theory both break down at that point. >   F Unfortunately most people confuse theory with reality, they _really_   believe J that the universe sits on a Riemannian manifold.  Theories are only modelsH that allow us to make predictions within the realm to which the theory   applies.J The fact that most equations used in Physics are invariant with respect toJ time reversal, means only that.  Schrdinger equation, which effectively   measuresJ the diffusion of probability is of course not. Study of the math has led   to some remarkableK discoveries; however, such as Dirac's prediction of the positron.  As for    GRJ there are really only three experiments that have been performed and for   which K the theory predicts the observed values.  In fact, the theory was created   
 to explainJ the bending of light and the anomolus advance of the perhelion of Mercury.G OTOH you could accomplish the same with a model which used a variable    speed ofI light in an Euclidean geometry.  Indeed if you look at the Schwarschild    metricI it looks the same as a Lorentzian metric with c being a function of the   
 gravitational K field.  Another, perhaps more interesting question is why we keep looking    for a  unified field theory.  >  >  >>G >> Despite the very surprising spookiness of certain aspects of quantum D >> mechanics, I find the possibility of going backwards in time veryI >> unlikely. However, it is sometimes the basis of great science fiction. H >> The episode of Star Trek written by Harlan Ellison comes to mind: The@ >> City on the Edge of Forever -- my favorite Star Trek episode. >> > ? > Although it is unlikely I'd hesitate to rule out time travel. K > Before Einstein the idea of moving forward in time at a rate greater than H > one second per second was considered impossible. Time and Space were  
 > just the( > static background in Newtonian theory. >  >  >  >>> 1 >>> See my other posting for further information.  >>2 >> I really don't want to register with that site. >> >  > Which site ? > 9 > My previous posting to this newsgroup pointed at 2 URLs  > K > one a public website which had chapter 10 of Stephen Hawking's book on it : > and a link to a public review of another book on Amazon. >  >  > David Webb > Security team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University >  >  >> [...]       --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:48:34 +0800 ! From: reynArd<directsale@tom.com> B Subject: I can teach anyone how to get what they want out of life.$ Message-ID: <419f0289$1_3@127.0.0.1>   "I can teach anyone how to get what they want out of life. 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A Dream without Action becomes a Memory!     http://reynard.usana.com      O ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- S http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups E ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:32:10 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual to have a computer 2 Message-ID: <zvqdnfwWmtMX7ALcRVn-ig@mpowercom.net>  9 "terry golden" <terrygolden@brandx.net> wrote in message  ' news:cnn5ll$2r8e$1@madmax.keyway.net... L > Taken in context please. In 1977 pieces of crap where actually just short > > of unusable. They cost thousands of dollars and for that you, > got at most 5MB drives and 64KB of memory. > L Okay, in 1977 DEC offered us the marvelous PDT-11, 64KB, one floppy, and NO L 5MB drive for several thousand.  Don't remember the PDT?  No surprise, they I didn't run for very long before breaking down, usually because the board  E burned up from inadequate ventilation.  They were destined to become  8 landfill from the day they rolled off the assembly line.  K On the other hand my 1977 vintage IMSAI still runs today.  KO was a victim  L of tunnel vision from seeing the pathetic attempts his own labs churned out G in the micro market.  To this day I cannot understand how such a great  L engineering company turned out some of the lowest quality junk in the early J micro era.  It seems there was this magic $10K barrier; DEC EEs could not # build anything worthwhile for less.    Jack Peacock     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:23:44 GMT 5 From: ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers) Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual to have a computer 0 Message-ID: <419f8ab5.11026268@nntp.charter.net>  O Yes!  The tunnel vision of executives was responsible for the demise of all the K early computer companies around Route 128 as well as the early BUNCH of IBM P competitors.  I saw the tunnel inside Honeywell, and it was pretty discouraging,P so I got out.  Then there were Wang, DG, and Prime, all afflicted with their ownO unique visions.  All were victims of corporate cultures that did not appreciate K conflicting opinions of those outside the executive suite and the executive  yes-man flunkies... Ben Myers   O On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 08:32:10 -0800, "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote:   : >"terry golden" <terrygolden@brandx.net> wrote in message ( >news:cnn5ll$2r8e$1@madmax.keyway.net...M >> Taken in context please. In 1977 pieces of crap where actually just short  ? >> of unusable. They cost thousands of dollars and for that you - >> got at most 5MB drives and 64KB of memory.  >>M >Okay, in 1977 DEC offered us the marvelous PDT-11, 64KB, one floppy, and NO  M >5MB drive for several thousand.  Don't remember the PDT?  No surprise, they  J >didn't run for very long before breaking down, usually because the board F >burned up from inadequate ventilation.  They were destined to become 9 >landfill from the day they rolled off the assembly line.  > L >On the other hand my 1977 vintage IMSAI still runs today.  KO was a victim M >of tunnel vision from seeing the pathetic attempts his own labs churned out  H >in the micro market.  To this day I cannot understand how such a great M >engineering company turned out some of the lowest quality junk in the early  K >micro era.  It seems there was this magic $10K barrier; DEC EEs could not  $ >build anything worthwhile for less. >  Jack Peacock  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 02:18:36 -0800 + From: terry golden <terrygolden@brandx.net> Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual to have a computer - Message-ID: <cnn5ll$2r8e$1@madmax.keyway.net>   D Taken in context please. In 1977 pieces of crap where actually just B short of unusable. They cost thousands of dollars and for that youA got at most 5MB drives and 64KB of memory. Amazingly the OS's had A the ability to copy one drive from another without buying a $100  C packages. The internet was for DOD use only. There was no software, A you wrote your own in BASIC the worst computer language invented.   ? Thus it could not be too hard to see why KO made the statement. D Really until the internet opened most people didn't need a Pieces ofC Crap in thier home. His replacement really blew it with not linking F up with the phone companies and coming out with an alpha/OpenVMS based, internet appliance that linked to altavista.  D What the clever miss is the real missed oppertunties that DEC had on? the ground at the time QBUS systems with real OS's and a large  C collection of software.  Failure to price the kit at low prices and D advert the world that our Boxes are better, have software with years9 of history became a marker for future marketing failures.     / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: + > http://www.snopes.com/quotes/kenolsen.asp  > K > The above is interesting because a) I always thought of this in the same  F > context as Thomas J. Watson's [Chairman of the Board at IBM] famous 	 > remark:  > = >    I think there's a world market for about five computers.  > J > and b) it comes from a source which in my opinion has made few, if any, B > mistakes in determining the truth or falsehood of urban legends. > H > I think the quote below, however, WAS intended the way it sounds.  :-) > R > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- P > The PC has bred anarchy.  Hardware, software, and peripherals have been thrownQ > together in random configurations at the whim of any employee with access to an M > expense voucher and computer catalogue. The result has been a financial and . > administrative night mare for corporations.  > Q >                                                                    ---Ken Olsen  >    ------------------------------  ! Date: Sat, 20 Nov 04 11:15:30 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual to have a computer , Message-ID: <_uCdnQwP3Y_dsgLcRVn-vg@rcn.net>  - In article <cnn5ll$2r8e$1@madmax.keyway.net>, /    terry golden <terrygolden@brandx.net> wrote:  <pins>   You're not even wrong.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 10:20:46 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)0 Subject: monitor (over TCPIP) hangs---any ideas?$ Message-ID: <cnn5pt$1en$1@online.de>  I I've seen this once before, but after applying some patches to the ALPHA  I in the cluster (at the moment I have 2 VAXes and 1 ALPHA in the cluster)  I the problem went away, so I assumed that not being up-to-date might have  H been the problem, but perhaps it was the reboot.  At the moment, I have H the VAXes at 7.3 and the ALPHA at 7.3-1 and I'm not missing any patches.  G The problem is that MONITOR works on the local node, but can't connect  G to remote nodes, e.g. /NODE doesn't work, nor does MONITOR CLUSTER.  I  % have the same behaviour on all nodes.   $ $ pipe sh sys/clust|sea sys$pipe vpm  M   Pid    Process Name    State  Pri      I/O       CPU       Page flts  Pages M 20A0009A VPM_SERVER      HIB     15   282604   0 00:02:51.84      2382    579 M 20C000A0 VPM_SERVER      HIB     15   744866   0 00:16:26.49      2647    915 M 214000A0 VPM_SERVER      HIB     15    74041   0 00:05:06.93    283801    158   B I'm running MONITOR over TCPIP.  Is there any other process whose   absence I should be looking for?  ) I did STOP/ID on the above processes then   *    SYSMAN> do @SYS$STARTUP:VPM$STARTUP.COM  I and now things work.  In the past, when I had the problem before, I seem  I to recall that this fixed things for a while, but that the problem would  H reappear much sooner than the time between reboot and the first time it 	 appeared.   E The cluster was last formed (cluster reboot, which I probably did to  > avoid shadow copies) on 15-JUL-2004.  Here are the boot times:  2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DANEEL 22-AUG-2004 02:30:43.52 2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node ELIJAH 22-AUG-2004 05:02:37.05 2 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node GLADIA  1-NOV-2004 01:50:10.00    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:06:18 +1100 # From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate>  Subject: Re: SIMH - networking/ Message-ID: <419efafa$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>   	 Hi Martin   M Thanks for that information.  Just out of interest I tried to boot using the  , default adapter used by Windows - it works!!  I I have set up ftp, telnet, the management console from windows etc.  all  I work fine and don't seem to interfere with windows.  I am monitoring the  M SIMH instance to see if it is going crazy with network traffic, but it seems   OK.   5 So, am I luck or is this an undocumented feature.....     @ "Martin Vorlaender" <martin@radiogaga.harz.de> wrote in message 5 news:419ee613.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de... $ > Gremlin <not-here@all.mate> wrote:, >> Could I get a little assistance please... >>J >> I have read the doco and FAQs and understand why SIMH cant talk on the  >> same I >> interface as the one used by Windows, but, how do I configure a second J >> physical card in the box?  For example, under Windows do I disable the  >> card L >> to stop windows from trying to use it and then in SIMH vax.ini tell it toI >> use the MAC address of the disabled card?  Will the card work if it is J >> disabled in Windows?  If I don't disable the card, how is it different  >> from @ >> the original card, other than having a different MAC address? >> >> Any help appreciated. > H > SIMH on Windows (on any network-enabled platform, AFAIK) uses the pcapI > library to talk to the network. It uses a virtual network card - that's ? > why you are free to setup a MAC address for SIMH's XQ device.  > C > The pcap library uses promiscuous mode to catch all packets going H > through the network card to filter out those for SIMH's network device > (i.e. MAC address).  > K > All of this is unrelated to whether or how Windows uses the network card. L > I guess, however, that you have to have Windows load the driver, at least. > G > You configure which real network card pcap uses by the ATTACH command  > like > - >  simh> ATTACH XQ <your network card's name>  > G > You can find all network cards detected by SIMH and their names using  >  >  simh> SHOW XQ ETH >  > cu, 	 >  Martin  > --  F > One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!9 > One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de L > One OS to bring them all      |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/A > And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:03:40 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: VMS V1 - Message-ID: <877jog6ger.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   3 Bob Supnik <bob.supnik@sicortex.nospam.com> writes:   C > The SIMH team is attempting to revive VMS V1.  A 780 simulator is F > written and partially debugged, V1 sources have been found, as has a > binary kit for V1.5.   > What's lacking, notably, are:   E > - VAX-11/780 floppies for V1, particularly the tape restore utility / > - Installation and operational manuals for V1 G > - Detailed specifications on the LSI-11 console interaction protocol, ' > or the actual firmware for the LSI-11 ! > - VAX-11/780 bootstrap ROM code   D > If you have any of this material, please let me or Al Kossow know;2 > we can arrange to have the material transcribed.  A I have a V2.? tape somewhere, but no DSC2 to read it with :( That F *may* have some of what you need. I'll see what else is in "the pile".   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.645 ************************