1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 23 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 650       Contents:8 Any reason why MSL5026S2 wouldn't want to show me tapes?1 Apache (CSWS) Index of files (configure width of) ! RE: DECnet positively in the news ! Re: DECnet positively in the news ! Re: DECnet positively in the news  Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw !6 Re: f$device( "*", "DISK", , ) v. "ESS1888 AudioDrive", Re: Online forums for former digits/deccies?, Re: Online forums for former digits/deccies? OpenVMS Support Chart ?  RE: OpenVMS Support Chart ?  Re: OT: Joke of the week Re: OT: Joke of the week Re: OT: Joke of the week Re: OT: Joke of the week Re: OT: Joke of the week Re: OT: Joke of the week RE: OT: Joke of the week* Re: Programatically accessing HELP/MESSAGE1 RE: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers? 1 Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers? 1 Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers? 1 Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers? 1 RE: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers? % The 23rd DCL script - A user's prayer @ The Register: AMD's Opteron loses ground where it kind of counts@ Yet another [Un]Zip behavior quirk.  Non-stupid opinions sought.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 03:15:36 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing)A Subject: Any reason why MSL5026S2 wouldn't want to show me tapes? 6 Message-ID: <00A3B450.1C4C0C41@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  	 VMSers --   I MSL5026S2 tape library with two drives, connected by LVD SCSI to my DS20E  running VMS 7.3-2.  N I inherited this drive from a colleague who was running it for Windows backup,# so this isn't fresh out of the box.   H I'm under the impression I should be able to manage backups to it using M MRU to put tapes where I want them and BACKUP to actually write to the tapes, 5 rather than having to get involved with SLS or ABS.     M I can see the drives (MKA100 and MKA200) and the robot (GKA300).  I can talk  + to the robot using the Media Robot Utility:    $robot show robot gka300   Robot Name: gka300 Type: SCSI   4 Media Robot Identifier: COMPAQ  MSL5000 Series  0423   Slots:          25 Drives:         2  Inports:        1  Outports:       1  Transports:     1     K I can load tapes into the drives using the robot utility.  The drive status J display on the front panel confirms that the tapes actually do get loaded.  O I get OS-specific errors when I try to do anything involving tapes or drives as  distinct from library.   It'll show me an empty slot:    $ robot show robot gka300 slot 9% SLOT:           9               Empty    but not a full one:     $robot show robot gka300 slot 10? SHOW Slot 10 failed on gka300: Operating system specific error.   + The robot won't tell me about drive status:     $robot show robot gka300 drive 0? SHOW Drive 0 failed on gka300: Operating system specific error.   I Nothing shows up on the LCD screen while this is going on.  If I read the L online manual correctly, I ought to get some kind of error code if there's aN hardware error, but no code shows up; status displays don't increment hardwareN error counts either.  So I'm inclined to think that the drive doesn't think it has a problem.   Although I can see the drives:     $sho dev/full mka100:   L Magtape SSRL$MKA100:, device type COMPAQ SuperDLT1, is online, file-orientedI     device, served to cluster via TMSCP Server, error logging is enabled, J     controller supports compaction (compaction  disabled), device supports     fastskip (per_io).  O     Error count                    4    Operations completed                162 O     Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] O     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W O     Reference count                0    Default buffer size                2048 O     Density                     SDLT    Format                        Normal-11   G   Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, beginning-of-tape, odd parity. F                                                                       + attempts to initialize or mount tapes fail.     N I'm perplexed; it seems to me that this isn't a SCSI-cable problem, but ratherN some kind of permissions problem.  (This business of throwing an OS error whenG I try to look at a slot with a tape in it is what makes me think that.)   I Does this make sense?  Does anyone have any clues for me?  Quick scan  of M user's guide (located under www.hp.com/go/storage after a kind pointer from a K comp.os.vms poster) didn't have anything that leapt out at me as addressing 
 this problem.    Thanks!    -- Alan    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 15:47:31 -0600 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon): Subject: Apache (CSWS) Index of files (configure width of)1 Message-ID: <04112215473117@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   J In Apache (CSWS) and using no index.html (or other DirectoryIndex for thatB matter) the output truncates the file name width to 23 characters.  A I want to increase this value so I can see more of the file name.    Is there a way to do this?  I I have been looking through the HTTPD.CONF file and can not find anything   specific to the control of this.  ( I have IndexOptions set to FancyIndexing     John "REBOOT" Brandon  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:52:15 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> * Subject: RE: DECnet positively in the newsR Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB4A4A75@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message------ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]=20 ! > Sent: November 22, 2004 8:23 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ( > Subject: DECnet positively in the news >=20  	 [snip ..]    >=20 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D >=20? > Do you think that HP might take out even one ad that tells=20  > users that TCP/IP ? > is ok but if you want better security DECnet is the way to=20  > go...available on  > all major platforms......nah.  >=20  D You may already be aware of this, but DECnet is available on Linux -. http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/index.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:05:54 +0100 , From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems.dotweg@zonnet.nl>* Subject: Re: DECnet positively in the news+ Message-ID: <30f9n2F309kruU1@uni-berlin.de>   4 "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> schreef in berichtL news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB4A4A75@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net...   > -----Original Message-----* > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]! > Sent: November 22, 2004 8:23 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ( > Subject: DECnet positively in the news >   	 [snip ..]    >  >  > ==== > < > Do you think that HP might take out even one ad that tells > users that TCP/IP < > is ok but if you want better security DECnet is the way to > go...available on  > all major platforms......nah.  >   D You may already be aware of this, but DECnet is available on Linux -. http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/index.html   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)   $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."      L Once upon a time DECnet was the protocol that connected different platforms.K DECnet ran on MS-DOS, Windows-NT, Motorola Unix, IBM unix, HP unix, various H DEC operating systems and even more importantly it translated to the IBM5 mainframe world (can you remember the SNA gateways?). F This was well before IP was a "standard" even while it was such on the	 Internet.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:22:28 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: DECnet positively in the news, Message-ID: <zpWdnZ2nWcYr6T_cRVn-hQ@igs.net>   Hans Vlems wrote: 6 > "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> schreef in bericht > L news:FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB4A4A75@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net... >  >> -----Original Message----- + >> From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] " >> Sent: November 22, 2004 8:23 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com) >> Subject: DECnet positively in the news  >> >  > [snip ..]  >  >> >> >> ====  >>= >> Do you think that HP might take out even one ad that tells  >> users that TCP/IP= >> is ok but if you want better security DECnet is the way to  >> go...available on  >> all major platforms......nah. >> > F > You may already be aware of this, but DECnet is available on Linux -0 > http://linux-decnet.sourceforge.net/index.html > 	 > Regards  >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant  > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax: 613-591-4477  > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT)  > & > "OpenVMS has always had integrity ..  > Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." >  >  > C > Once upon a time DECnet was the protocol that connected different G > platforms. DECnet ran on MS-DOS, Windows-NT, Motorola Unix, IBM unix, E > HP unix, various DEC operating systems and even more importantly it A > translated to the IBM mainframe world (can you remember the SNA 
 > gateways?). H > This was well before IP was a "standard" even while it was such on the > Internet.     1 And DECnet is far more deterministic than TCP/IP.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 16:53:57 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! , Message-ID: <41A25FF2.2A54650E@teksavvy.com>   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: O > Since a theory is just a theory the only way to establish whether time travel P > into the past is really possible in our Universe is to carry out an experiment$ > which allows travel into the past.    L Or just wait for someone in the future to come visit you.  Since the past isM already recorded, anyone going into the past and coming back wouldn't be able @ to bring any information that could prove he's been in the past.  M But someone traveling from the future to current time could bring information E on events that have not yet happened and his predictions (when proven @ accurate) would then give credence that he came from the future.   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2004 18:27:13 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)% Subject: Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! = Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0411221827.2b1dbac5@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<419DB354.A9B6D204@teksavvy.com>...  > Paddy O'Brien wrote:G > > But I agree with Alan and VAXMAN, time cannot go backwards, and our B > > setting time earlier is not the same as time going backwards.  > 4 > Time is like a river. It flows into one direction.   Really. Based on what?  I > However, we are simply riding the river of time, and with strong enough - > muscles, you can paddle upriver in a canoe.    Again, based on what?   O > We currently have not a clue of how to do this. (travel back in time). But it L > doesn't mean that someday we won't find a way. For all you know, the Angel   So?   N > that inseminated Mary to give birth to Jesus Christ was some guy in the 24thM > century who had read the bible and decided to travel back in time to be the O > one to make the bible happen. (you can't change the past, but it doesn't mean O > that nobody in the future didn't get involved in our past). This guy, knowing P > about all the "miracles" Jesus had been documented as performing, brought withF > him enough technology to make those miracles happen (even by today's= > standards, most of those are just simple hollywood tricks).   C Let's keep religion out of it. Besides, your reasoning is circular.    >  > > Our L > > summertime/daylight saving, etc. is merely our contrivance of wall-clockE > > time.  And I have never seen any example/discussion of relativity , > > where time has actually become negative. > \ > However, in real life, computers often have to deal with time changes and time arithmetic.  - OK. But relativity has nothing to do with it.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2004 18:29:17 -0800. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)% Subject: Re: DECW$CLOCK design flaw ! < Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0411221829.d8c444b@posting.google.com>  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41A13C61.F75D52B1@teksavvy.com>... P > Considering recent discussion, I must therefore make a request for imporvement  > to DECW$CLOCK, not just a fix. > P > DECW$CLOCK must absolutely be able to handle cases where the CPU is travellingP > and thus, DECW$CLOCK must be able to get input for current speed of travel andL > adjust current time according to Einstein's theories to display "accurate"O > time. In fact, it should be able to display 2 relative times, the one for the J > environment that is traveling, and one for the enviropnment which is not' > travelling (all relative, of course).  > M > Hooks must be added to allow DECW$CLOCK to behave properly when time travel  > becomes commonplace. > L > In fact, DECW$CLOCK is 20 years late with these features, considering thatM > some guy converted a DeLorean into a time machine back in 1985. Imagine the J > marketing if VMS had been featured with a microvax II in the DeLorean to > control the time circuitry.   J Taken seriously this makes no sense. Taken non-seriously, it is not funny.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:27:46 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: f$device( "*", "DISK", , ) v. "ESS1888 AudioDrive" + Message-ID: <41A2AE32.36C4A092@comcast.net>    sms@antinode.org wrote:  > ' > Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 22:15:15 -0600  >  > > > [...] + > > > ALP2 $ wso f$device( "*", "DISK", , )  > > > _ALP2$AUA0:  > > > [...] % > > > ALP2 $ sho dev /ful _ALP2$AUA0:  > > > T > > > Disk AUA0:, device type ESS1888 AudioDrive, is online, record-oriented device, > > >     carriage control.  > > > U > > >     Error count                    0    Operations completed                  2 U > > >     Owner process      "MMOV$SERVER"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] U > > >     Owner process ID        22600425    Dev Prot            S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W U > > >     Reference count                2    Default buffer size                   0  > 4 > > What does F$GETSYI( "AUA0", "DEVCLASS" ) return? > * > alp $ wso F$GETSYI( "AUA0", "DEVCLASS" )C > %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling 	 >  \AUA0\   : Yeah - my bad. Should have cut-and-pasted from the screen.   > But: > A > ALP2 $ wso F$GETdvI( "AUA0", "DEVCLASS" )       ! PWS 500 a[u].  > 1  > 5 > alp $ sea /mat = and decc_include:dcdef.h dc, " 1 " P > #define DC$_DISK 1                      /* DISK                             */ >  > While: > E > alp $ wso F$GETdvI( "AUA0", "DEVCLASS" )        ! AlpSta 200 4/233.  > 98 > 6 > alp $ sea /mat = and decc_include:dcdef.h dc, " 98 "P > #define DC$_AUDIO 98                    /* General audio                    */ > 5 >    So, it's consistently wrong.  I feel better now.    Hhmmm... Goofy stuff.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 13:39:26 -0700 4 From: "Dale E. Coy" <daleecoy@obfuscation.spinn.net>5 Subject: Re: Online forums for former digits/deccies? 0 Message-ID: <10q4jjvbntt3s43@corp.supernews.com>   Perhaps it's a choice between:  F 0.  The ease of complaining about the absence of such an online forum.  > 1.  A "modern" web-based forum that nobody has so far created.  D 2.  A DEC Notes-based forum that could be available within 24 hours.  I So far, nobody who wants such a forum has signed up for a free DECUServe  ' account and sent a request to me (coy).    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:31:54 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) 5 Subject: Re: Online forums for former digits/deccies? 4 Message-ID: <uNtod.30046$jq5.11551@fe2.texas.rr.com>  3 Dale E. Coy (daleecoy@obfuscation.spinn.net) wrote:   : Perhaps it's a choice between: : H : 0.  The ease of complaining about the absence of such an online forum. : @ : 1.  A "modern" web-based forum that nobody has so far created. : F : 2.  A DEC Notes-based forum that could be available within 24 hours. : K : So far, nobody who wants such a forum has signed up for a free DECUServe  ) : account and sent a request to me (coy).  :   I Too bad WebNotes/NetNotes disappeared. It was a re-implementation of DEC  / Notes on Windows NT, written by Steve Cloutier.   G We even had an ALPHA running VMS/Multinet acting as a WebNotes/NetNotes   client.  9 IIRC, Steve's company was purchased by Spry Technologies.    --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:56:59 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: OpenVMS Support Chart ?1 Message-ID: <newscache$8aol7i$yfw1$1@news.sil.at>   C Does anyone know where one can find now the OpenVMS support chart ? H You know the list which shows what VMS version is minimum for what H/W ? It used to be at  9 	http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/supportchart.html   " and later its replacement pointers  8 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/supportchart.html4 	http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/supportchart.html  J and is also referred in the VMS FAQ. But alas, not there. And even "SearchJ results" shows nothing (except a few wizard articles referring this URLs).   Anyone ? Warren ? Please.    TIA    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:40:43 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> $ Subject: RE: OpenVMS Support Chart ?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB4A4AB3@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----B > From: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]=20! > Sent: November 22, 2004 4:57 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com " > Subject: OpenVMS Support Chart ? >=20E > Does anyone know where one can find now the OpenVMS support chart ? B > You know the list which shows what VMS version is minimum for=20 > what H/W ? > It used to be at >=20; > 	http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/supportchart.html  >=20$ > and later its replacement pointers >=20: > 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/supportchart.html6 > 	http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/supportchart.html >=20B > and is also referred in the VMS FAQ. But alas, not there. And=20 > even "Search9 > results" shows nothing (except a few wizard articles=20  > referring this URLs).  >=20 > Anyone ? Warren ? Please.  >=20 > TIA  >=20 > --=20  > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER ' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   Peter,   These might help:   ; http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/openvms_supportchart.html   D http://h20219.www2.hp.com/services/cache/11774-0-0-225-121.aspx (PVS Support)  ? http://h20219.www2.hp.com/services/cache/10647-0-0-225-121.aspx   A http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/os/openvms-release-history.html      Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2004 12:47:05 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: OT: Joke of the week 3 Message-ID: <b$klPxsqoqwK@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <slrncq4a8s.11j.thierry@MARS.Family>, Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> writes: > ? >> A Microsoft Outlook .pst file self-destructs at 4Gb in size.  > : > And do you really think he'd use Microsoft products? ;-)  C    If a Microsoft product was handling the problem, Microsoft would -    be shipping MS Office-Anti-Spam yesterday.    ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2004 12:49:53 -0600; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ! Subject: Re: OT: Joke of the week 3 Message-ID: <dYep0aPRVc$2@eisner.encompasserve.org>   R In article <RoidnTb4i-9Jtj_cRVn-1Q@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > I > Maybe we should offer him a free e-mail account on an Alpha/VMS system.   B    Alas, VMS is no better than most on receiving spam.  But add-on;    spam filters are available and HP is looking at new one.   D    We should get HP to ship that as a product and sell it to all the!    ISPs while making loud noises!    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:54:16 -0500 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: OT: Joke of the week , Message-ID: <bMydnVVMCriK8z_cRVn-og@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:; > In article <RoidnTb4i-9Jtj_cRVn-1Q@igs.net>, "John Smith"  > <a@nonymous.com> writes: >>B >> Maybe we should offer him a free e-mail account on an Alpha/VMS
 >> system. > D >    Alas, VMS is no better than most on receiving spam.  But add-on= >    spam filters are available and HP is looking at new one.  > F >    We should get HP to ship that as a product and sell it to all the# >    ISPs while making loud noises!     + The only loud noises HP ever will make are:  "Buy Proliant" "Buy Microsoft Windows" J "Buy a printer while you're at it. And we have some lovely digital cameras: you can use to take pictures of carly's(tm) shapely legs."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:06:10 -0800 * From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>! Subject: Re: OT: Joke of the week 2 Message-ID: <W_ydnVE6l7qZED_cRVn-tg@mpowercom.net>  I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:b$klPxsqoqwK@eisner.encompasserve.org... D >   If a Microsoft product was handling the problem, Microsoft would. >   be shipping MS Office-Anti-Spam yesterday. > H MS ships some rudimentary anti-spam in the latest ISA 2004 firewall, in L Exchange 2003, and in Outlook 2003.   Not perfect but it catches about 95%, J good enough for freebie add-ons.  I gather log statistics on the heaviest M DNS and SMTP incoming sites, then block some of them in the firewall (DNS is  L a real giveaway, easy to spot the brute forcers over time).  I also link to + Spamhaus in Exchange for sender DNS checks.   I I expect to see similar features in VMS around the time the last Itanium  C dice roll off the Intel line.  Both will be equally useful by then.    Jack Peacock     ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2004 20:46:42 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) ! Subject: Re: OT: Joke of the week 3 Message-ID: <4kSRlQwuQIVO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   q In article <dYep0aPRVc$2@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: T > In article <RoidnTb4i-9Jtj_cRVn-1Q@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >>  J >> Maybe we should offer him a free e-mail account on an Alpha/VMS system. > 8 >    Alas, VMS is no better than most on receiving spam.  > It is much better than the leading vendor at not executing it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 22:25:13 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: Re: OT: Joke of the week , Message-ID: <41A2AD84.8498DD1D@teksavvy.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:: > >    Alas, VMS is no better than most on receiving spam. > @ > It is much better than the leading vendor at not executing it.  N TCPIP services isn't *THAT* Bad. It does have DNS based (both backtranslatable and RBL) support.   N There is a huge difference between VMS and Windows: VMS can't filter viri, butL viri don't affect it. Windows has some filtration of viri, but otherwise has1 no immunity to viri and catches them very easily.     N For a corporate infrastructure, the TCPIP Services SMTP software is inadequateM compared to what Unix offers. It lacks much of the content filtering software L that is available on Unix. One reason is that the TCPIP Services receiver isW not open sourced and hence, customers cannot add more filters as they become available.     M Now, back to the topic, if one contends that Microsoft is best suited to help K secure the air force's network, this means that Microsoft is fully aware of L all the flaws in its software and hence could he held criminally responsibleG for productizing software it knows to be flawed. (or even designing its  software to have known flaws).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:23:33 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> ! Subject: RE: OT: Joke of the week R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB4E948F@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Jack Peacock [mailto:peacock@simconv.com]=20! > Sent: November 22, 2004 8:06 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com # > Subject: Re: OT: Joke of the week  >=20B > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote=20 > in message=20 / > news:b$klPxsqoqwK@eisner.encompasserve.org... F > >   If a Microsoft product was handling the problem, Microsoft would0 > >   be shipping MS Office-Anti-Spam yesterday. > > ? > MS ships some rudimentary anti-spam in the latest ISA 2004=20  > firewall, in=20 = > Exchange 2003, and in Outlook 2003.   Not perfect but it=20  > catches about 95%,=20 A > good enough for freebie add-ons.  I gather log statistics on=20  > the heaviest=20 @ > DNS and SMTP incoming sites, then block some of them in the=20 > firewall (DNS is=20 A > a real giveaway, easy to spot the brute forcers over time). =20  > I also link to=20 - > Spamhaus in Exchange for sender DNS checks.  >=20@ > I expect to see similar features in VMS around the time the=20 > last Itanium=20 E > dice roll off the Intel line.  Both will be equally useful by then.  >   Jack Peacock=20  >=20  
 As a fyi -  E Process Software also a anti-spam solution that is also available (or  will be shortly) on OpenVMS.  
 Reference:0 http://www.process.com/precisemail/antispam.html  A Note - I just received a flyer in my regular post mail with large  letters entitled:   5 "Make SPAM your Target with Precise Anti-Spam Gateway    Supported on OpenVMS   By Process Software"  & On back side, part of what it says is:H - Runs with any email server including Multinet, TCPware, PMDF, HP TCPIP" Services for OpenVMS, and Exchange( - Operates on Linux, Solaris and OpenVMS   Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:31:46 -0500 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>3 Subject: Re: Programatically accessing HELP/MESSAGE + Message-ID: <30et54F2vsb6pU1@uni-berlin.de>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Dave Weatherall wrote:D >> Isn't LIB$GETMSG and /or LIB$PUTMSG what you're looking for JF or& >> have I misunderstood your question? > A > The above two libraries translate the binary status code into a < > facility, severity, name and short text. A one line thing. > ...   G To quote Hoff, what are you trying to do? You know that you can look at      $ HELP HELP/MESSAGE * and see how to /INSERT, /SORT, /EXTRACT...C You can also look at the manual "OpenVMS System Messages: Companion E Guide for Help Message Users," part # AA-PV5TD-TK. This will give you G some more information abut using HELP/MESSAGE from DCL. But if you want A to call a routine from a .C program and have it show you the help D message, then I do not know if there is a documented way to do that.  : If we knew what you wanted to do we might be able to help.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:32:20 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> : Subject: RE: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB4A4A80@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]=20" > Sent: November 21, 2004 10:45 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com < > Subject: Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers? >=20 > JF Mezei wrote:  > >=20 > > Keith Parris wrote:  > > > [snip]A > > > When Cerner sells its software to a hospital, 75% of the=20  > time it will be ? > > >   on VMS. (The others have to suffer with AIX and pains.)  > >=20C > > http://www.cerner.com/technologies/technologies_3a.asp?id=3D684  > >=20@ > > Shows AIX and VMS on equal footings. But the jobs section=20 > of that web site# > > shows AIX jobs and no VSM jobs.  >=20A > I have conference calls with the VMS folks at Cerner two and=20 
 > three times H > a week. AIX takes vastly more human resources than VMS - that's common > knowledge. >=20 > > While it is quite possible >=208 > ...but not likely, if they're on "equal footing"...=20 >=205 > > that 75% of existing Cerner customers are on VMS,  >=20: > Indications from Cerner are actually that AIX is more=20 > prevalent in their > customer base than VMS.  >=20  D Re: Cerner and OpenVMS .. There are some Cerner/OpenVMS folks pretty> active on this list, but check out the following Cerner quote:  D http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf (Alpha GS1280/OpenBVMS/Cerner)   E ""The price/performance of the HP Next Generation AlphaServer systems H running OpenVMS puts these large systems within the reach of clients whoG in the past haven't been able to step up to this level of performance - E which gives them the opportunity to control expense creep and provide B better healthcare." - Rod Coombs, VP Technology Management, Cerner Corporation"   Also -  F "Cerner's ground-breaking architecture enables healthcare providers toD create an electronic medical record that captures all linear patientF information and enables clients to go totally paperless. Today, CernerG serves some 1,500 clients, 80% of whom run their Cerner applications on # HP OpenVMS AlphaServer technology."    Regards   
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660  Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 17:02:22 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers?+ Message-ID: <41A261EB.54BC265@teksavvy.com>    "Main, Kerry" wrote:G > ""The price/performance of the HP Next Generation AlphaServer systems J > running OpenVMS puts these large systems within the reach of clients who  I Does Cerner know that Alpha has been killed, murdered and burried ? (last  sales date announced).  M I certaintly don't see them bragging about that IA64 thing. Once EV7 runs out N of steam compared to other chips, (or HP stops seling Alpha based machines), I@ suspect that Cerner might put far more emphasis on AIX on Power.  K If computing power is important, than Power is bound to provide etter price ! performance than that IA64 thing.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:23:40 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers?+ Message-ID: <41A2AD3C.F6806383@comcast.net>    David Froble wrote:  >  > > Rich Jordan wrote: > > 
 > >>[snip] > >>As of this year companies C > >>have to be able to provide over $1,000,000.00 dollars in annual E > >>hardware/system sales in order to 'qualify' to resell OpenVMS and  > >>Alpha systems. >  > This is entirely reasonable. > P > HP installed that stupid SAP system for their distribution, and to date I have3 > not heard of one successful SAP system, anywhere.? > L > So since their application software has a hard time with having many small/ > customers, they chop off the small customers.E > 5 > Makes as much sense to me as anything else HP does.    Point taken...   -- w David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:m" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:26:15 -0600 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers?+ Message-ID: <41A2ADD7.FBB316BB@comcast.net>t   "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > > -----Original Message-----= > > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]e$ > > Sent: November 21, 2004 10:45 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms> > > Subject: Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers? > >o > > JF Mezei wrote:i > > >o > > > Keith Parris wrote:i > > > > [snip]@ > > > > When Cerner sells its software to a hospital, 75% of the > > time it will be-A > > > >   on VMS. (The others have to suffer with AIX and pains.)s > > >LC > > > http://www.cerner.com/technologies/technologies_3a.asp?id=684A > > >o? > > > Shows AIX and VMS on equal footings. But the jobs sectionA > > of that web site% > > > shows AIX jobs and no VSM jobs.2 > >a@ > > I have conference calls with the VMS folks at Cerner two and > > three times J > > a week. AIX takes vastly more human resources than VMS - that's common > > knowledge. > >r  > > > While it is quite possible > >m7 > > ...but not likely, if they're on "equal footing"...  > >o7 > > > that 75% of existing Cerner customers are on VMS,  > >e9 > > Indications from Cerner are actually that AIX is moreS > > prevalent in their > > customer base than VMS.t > >b > F > Re: Cerner and OpenVMS .. There are some Cerner/OpenVMS folks pretty@ > active on this list, but check out the following Cerner quote: > F > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/cerner/cerner.pdf (Alpha > GS1280/OpenBVMS/Cerner)  > G > ""The price/performance of the HP Next Generation AlphaServer systems J > running OpenVMS puts these large systems within the reach of clients whoI > in the past haven't been able to step up to this level of performance -oG > which gives them the opportunity to control expense creep and provide D > better healthcare." - Rod Coombs, VP Technology Management, Cerner > Corporation" >  > Also - > H > "Cerner's ground-breaking architecture enables healthcare providers toF > create an electronic medical record that captures all linear patientH > information and enables clients to go totally paperless. Today, CernerI > serves some 1,500 clients, 80% of whom run their Cerner applications onh% > HP OpenVMS AlphaServer technology."i  / To which my response is, "Consider the source".c  > Now, if those same businesses were being quoted as making suchC statements (rather than a Cerner exec), *THAT* *MIGHT* carry *SOME*e credibility...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page::" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   " Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:34:22 -0500 ' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> : Subject: RE: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers?R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB4E9490@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----> > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net]=20" > Sent: November 22, 2004 10:26 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com2< > Subject: Re: reporter inquiry: Is HP selling AlphaServers? >=20  	 [snip ..]l  
 > > Also - > >=20@ > > "Cerner's ground-breaking architecture enables healthcare=20 > providers toH > > create an electronic medical record that captures all linear patient? > > information and enables clients to go totally paperless.=20  > Today, Cernere> > > serves some 1,500 clients, 80% of whom run their Cerner=20 > applications on ' > > HP OpenVMS AlphaServer technology."  >=201 > To which my response is, "Consider the source".t >=20@ > Now, if those same businesses were being quoted as making suchE > statements (rather than a Cerner exec), *THAT* *MIGHT* carry *SOME*o > credibility... >=20 > --=20h > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systemsd > http://www.djesys.com/ >=20  3 Ok, check out: Aurora Health - big Cerner Customer.a= http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/aurora/aurora.pdf F ""The HP AlphaServer GS1280 system will save us a lot of money becauseC the capacity far exceeds our expectations. We originally thought weCH would have to double the size or add another server. Now, because of theF performance we are seeing, we are quite confident that we will be ableA to get through this year and into next before we have to add moreaD database capacity."  - Lee Oettinger, Manager of Technical Services, Aurora Health Care  	 [snip ..]c  E "Aurora is the second largest OpenVMS user within the Cerner customer @ base. "Cerner considers us to be on the cutting edge in capacityG planning," says Oettinger.  "We spend a lot of time planning for futureo< capacity requirements and trying to stay ahead of the game."  8 And a second testimonial from Cerner Customer - Genesis:? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/genesis/genesis.pdf.E "Genesis runs its Cerner implementation on HP AlphaServer systems andoD the HP OpenVMS operating system.  According to Joe Murray, PrincipalD Technician on the Cerner implementation, Genesis chose HP based on a recommendation from Cerner."  C And for other brochure and video testimonials (in HP format I mightt add), check out:  . http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html   Regardsi  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultante HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660= Fax: 613-591-4477d kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .."   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 00:13:18 GMT3+ From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com>h. Subject: The 23rd DCL script - A user's prayer1 Message-ID: <BDC7C09E.E90%JCam90502@jcameron.com>-   The 23rd DCL Script-   " The System Manager is my Sheppard,#           I shall not want SETPRIV.@- He maketh me run my programs in paged memory.h/ He leadeth me to the low priority batch queues.e He restoreth my files.- He leadeth me into the file paths of Files-113!           for logical names sake.e  9) Yeah though I browse through the internet             in the shadow of UNIX,+ I will fear no hacker, for VMS art with me.2/ Thy Control-Y and thy Dollar prompt comfort me.j) Thou preparest a group-logical name tables.           in the presence of thy fellow users. Thou annointest my process           with TMPMBX & NETMBX.P" My Virtual Pagecount runneth over.  cC Surely diskquota and available CPU shall follow my computing needs,m' And I will dwell in the SYSUAF forever.a  o  h Cmkrnl   By Jeff Cameron    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 20:02:41 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> I Subject: The Register: AMD's Opteron loses ground where it kind of countsh1 Message-ID: <BBrod.3342$XA1.114@news.cpqcorp.net>t  L  From The Register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/19/amd_top500_loss/  F "as measured by the most recent Top 500 supercomputer list... AMD and # its Opteron processor lost ground."a  G "The number of supercomputer installations using AMD's chips fell from eD 34 sites in June of 2004 to 31 sites in November. Meanwhile, Intel, E which barely registered on this list three years ago, moved from 285 t sites to 318."  D "high performance computing customers are often ahead of the curve, F picking up gear that will later be used by enterprise customers. With ? that in mind, the lack of interest in Opteron clusters must be e disheartening for AMD."y   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:04:11 -0600 (CST)@ From: sms@antinode.orgI Subject: Yet another [Un]Zip behavior quirk.  Non-stupid opinions sought.@) Message-ID: <04112223041127@antinode.org>8  B    In my large-file Info-ZIP [Un]Zip testing, I've discovered some) behavior in UnZip which I find troubling.>  G    Currently, when expanding a "-V" archive, UnZip fills in the FAB/RABlG data for each output data file from the RMS attributes stored in its PK D (modern) or IM (old) extra field in the archive.  These data includeF fab$l_alq, the "allocation quantity", and using this value causes diskF space for the entire file to be allocated at once when the output file is created.r  E    This is probably most efficient, as no file extension will ever be I needed, but when allocating a large file, some unpleasant things happen. TF The allocation seems to monopolize the destination disk drive for someG considerable time (for example, about 11.5 minutes for a 5GB file on annF otherwise idle PWS 500a[u], QLogic ISP1040B KZPBA-CX, FUJITSU MAF3364LA SUN36G (wide), VMS V7.3-1).  Also, once the allocation has begun,e@ interrupting the UnZip program apparently does not interrupt theD allocation, so the disk may be tied up for a long time, irregardful.      My questions are:  %    1.  Has this bothered anyone else?n  4    2.  Does anyone else expect to be bothered by it?  F    3.  Does anyone, using any software, do such large file allocationsF        this way?  (My _page_ files are not this big, and SYSGEN CREATEF        is probably as close as I've previously come to making anythingD        so big at one time.  I use UnZip considerably more often thanE        SYSGEN CREATE, too, though, like everyone else, I haven't been         doing files so big.)a  H    Currently, when expanding a non-V archive, default RMS parameters areH used, and this makes for relatively slow extraction/creation (extension)A of a large data file.  Raising the initial allocation and defaultbF extension quantity seems to help considerably (about 2X), so this will4 probably be included in the final UnZip 6.0 release.  E    Limiting the initial allocation for data files extracted from a -VsF archive involves more work and more risk of undesired side-effects, soD I'm reluctant to dive in without some justification (such as whining complaints from users).0  G    And this time, please, if you don't know anything, don't tell me howsG it works now, how it must work in the future, or how it's too dangerousf? to touch the code.  In hopeful anticipation, I offer my thanks.2  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.650 ************************