1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 25 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 655       Contents:" Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s" Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s" Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s: Re: Extending DCL [was: Re: DCL suggestion for f$verify()]P Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual  tohave acomputer P Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave a computer P Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave a computer P Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave a computer P Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave acomputer iP Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave acomputer iP Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave acomputer iP Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave acomputer i* Re: Newbie questions about Advanced Server* Re: Newbie questions about Advanced Server# Re: OpenVMS 8.2 on Integrity Survey # Re: OpenVMS 8.2 on Integrity Survey # Re: OpenVMS 8.2 on Integrity Survey # Re: OpenVMS 8.2 on Integrity Survey 
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 Re: VMS V1  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:35:24 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com + Subject: Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s - Message-ID: <874qjeb1qb.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   & leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth) writes:  c > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41A4062D.FB1277CA@teksavvy.com>... D >> ... They also had a PDP11-in-a-VT-100 product on display (but was4 >> too expsnive for me as a student entering uni :-)  E > That would have been the PDT11 series... you can read about them at = > http://tinyurl.com/66262 and look for the text "1978?" - it 4 > discusses the various flavors that were available.  ? There was also the LSI-11 with Q-bus in a VT100. VT103 I think.   ; I always have trouble remebering which is the 102 or 103 :(    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:57:07 +0000 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> + Subject: Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s 8 Message-ID: <q40cq0t7tgihgn4h94oob0irb6ntfevvm2@4ax.com>  @ On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:35:24 +0800, prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  ' >leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth) writes:  > d >> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41A4062D.FB1277CA@teksavvy.com>...E >>> ... They also had a PDP11-in-a-VT-100 product on display (but was 5 >>> too expsnive for me as a student entering uni :-)  > F >> That would have been the PDT11 series... you can read about them at> >> http://tinyurl.com/66262 and look for the text "1978?" - it5 >> discusses the various flavors that were available.  > @ >There was also the LSI-11 with Q-bus in a VT100. VT103 I think. > < >I always have trouble remebering which is the 102 or 103 :(  E Your guess is correct.  The VT102 was the souped-up 100 that could do  full-screen 132-column :-)   --   Give me patience!  RIGHT NOW!    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:20:50 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org+ Subject: Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s ) Message-ID: <04112510205039@antinode.org>   - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>   B > >There was also the LSI-11 with Q-bus in a VT100. VT103 I think. > > > > >I always have trouble remebering which is the 102 or 103 :( > G > Your guess is correct.  The VT102 was the souped-up 100 that could do  > full-screen 132-column :-)  D    As I recall, the VT102 was a reduced-cost, non-expandable versionF which had the features of a VT100 with the advanced video option.  I'd0 say it had less soup than a well equipped VT100.  H    On the other hand, this discussion is somewhat less annoying than theB usual physics arguments.  There's always something for which to be	 thankful.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:30:38 +1100 4 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au>C Subject: Re: Extending DCL [was: Re: DCL suggestion for f$verify()] / Message-ID: <41A5A63E.8090003@transgrid.com.au>    Hmm,   I use Mozilla on VMS 7.2.   9 I can read the above thread, but cannot reply.  Info-VAX.    Regards, Paddy      G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  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The companyD > >was still doing the 11/780 bit and trying to establish a customer > F >The 11/780 was a VAX!  The 11/ part was to migrate people from 11/70sB >that had reached its limits for a 16bit machine to something with >32bit address and data.  D Not strictly true.  When it came out, the PDP-11 *WAS* the bread andC butter for the company.  Much of what went into the 780 was born in E the 11/70 (the Massbus and cache, for example).  It definitely helped  for name recognition.   B > >base for VAXes.  Since the performance sucked, there wasn't anyA > >existing customers who bought a VAX when they needed mainframe  > >computing services. > B >Huh??? Performance sucked?  For 1979 there were few machines that= >matched it and fewer that were supermainframes that beat it.   G Not only that, but DEC couldn't make 780's fast enough!  I'm a car guy, J and I liken the 11/780 to the Mustang in 1964 - there was a market lookingI for a product, and both the 780 and the Mustang were that product.  Plus, < it was a heckuva lot cheaper than any mainframe around then.   ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 25 Nov 04 12:25:21 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave a computer  , Message-ID: <tpCdnS9MJ4TSSjjcRVn-3g@rcn.net>  , In article <2pednUzPKaoyOjncRVn-ow@igs.net>,'    "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  >jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: / >> In article <7-mdnYrFm6bN2D7cRVn-tg@igs.net>, * >>    "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote: >>> jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: <snip>  G >> NT was tied up in knots because of the deal made with Gates.  Palmer E >> did that deal.  Since Palmer did it the year could never have been D >> before 1987.  1987 was the last time I worked and Olsen was stillI >> CEO.  When Palmer got hired, the quality of software and documentation G >> that was DEC's reputation got dismissed as an "Olsen thing" and thus  >> should be destroyed.  > J >NT Affinity - never could figure out just why that deal was ever done the >way it was.  @ One piece of my speculation was that Palmer was a gates-wannabe.@ He sure tried to live the lifestyle that he thought a CEO shouldC live.  As for misoft? it was business as usual--buy the competition  then shelve it.    /BAH    ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 25 Nov 04 12:29:21 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave a computer  , Message-ID: <tpCdnS5MJ4TdRTjcRVn-3g@rcn.net>  3 In article <iOOP5WXuxe3+@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 8    kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) wrote:G >In article <QIqdnYD7HMNf4zncRVn-2Q@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: G >> NT was tied up in knots because of the deal made with Gates.  Palmer E >> did that deal.  Since Palmer did it the year could never have been D >> before 1987.  1987 was the last time I worked and Olsen was stillI >> CEO.  When Palmer got hired, the quality of software and documentation G >> that was DEC's reputation got dismissed as an "Olsen thing" and thus  >> should be destroyed.  > J >Palmer didn't take over until after I was downsized in late 1991. Perhaps >some time in 1992.  > / >I don't even think NT was around in the 80s...   , Right.  I hadn't meant to imply that it was.? I may still have a set of disks around that JMF was supposed to : fool with.  He did something strange and bought a set that< matched the one corporate gave him.  I never understood that and he never explained.    /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 25 Nov 04 12:32:11 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave a computer  , Message-ID: <tpCdnSlMJ4R3RTjcRVn-3g@rcn.net>  3 In article <KOjBkliNe627@eisner.encompasserve.org>, ?    koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: G >In article <QIqdnYD7HMNf4zncRVn-2Q@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:  >>  G >> I don't recall any talk about PCs with the Olivetti deal.  Now there F >> may have been another deal but I would think the main players would >> have talked about it. > @ >   Later on (Pentium timeframe I think) DEC HiNote laptops were >   made by Olivetti.   > The year I'm thinking about was somewhere around 1988 or 1989.B Unfortunately, I can't remember many details when JMF yakked about< it.  Whatever it was, the coders were not as capable as they were supposed to be.   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 05:34:10 -0500 ) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca> Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave acomputer i : Message-ID: <Ryipd.41112$Ro.1752697@news20.bellglobal.com>  8 "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@istop.com> wrote in message  news:41a5569a$1_3@127.0.0.1... >I am Richard Tomkins.G > I worked in the Digital Equipment Corporation manufacturing plant in  	 > Kanata, ' > Ontario Canada, from 1986 until 2001. F > My jobs were, Manufacturing Support Technologist, Product Engineer, 	 > Process = > Engineer, Trainer, Consultant and CSS Technology Architect.  > J > The plant was very diverse when I joined, making backplanes for PDP and  > VAX H > computer systems and building various VAX computer sytems, such as theH > 11/750, 11/780, 9250, 8350, 8550. We had a development laboratory thatK > designed all the backplanes used in all the VAX computers, including the   > ill I > timed VAX 9000 backplane modules. Over time we added the manufacture of L > boards for VAX computers and OEM models and also took on the maufacture of > boards for the network gear. >   L As a Bell Canada employee, I personally spent almost 20 weeks (between 1978 I and 1986) at the DEC customer education facility in Kanata (100 Herzberg  I Road). Those class rooms and labs gave me an in-depth computer education  J that was not available at any college or university at that time. My last M week there was for PCL-11 (3 days) and CB-11 (2 days). IIRC, Ottawa-area VAX  ? related training had moved to Hull, Quebec in the early 1990's.   I In 1997 I discovered that many ex-Kanta instructors had moved to "Global  A Knowledge" and were working in either downtown Ottawa or Toronto.    [...snip...] > K > I probably could fill a book with what I know and what I have been privy   > toE > hear. Like the time Larry Ellison wanted us out of the Video Server I > business, so he'd stop making RDB for OpenVMS if we didn't clear out of  > town.. >  [...snip...]  M And there are many of us out here that would read such a book. I just picked  M up a copy of the 2004 paper back edition of "DEC is Dead, Long Live DEC" and  L am only through the first 100 pages. Although I don't agree with all of the M author's assertions, they have complied quite a few memories to document the  C activities of a reasonably successful company that lasted 40 years.   
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,  Ontario, Canada.9 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html     ------------------------------  ! Date: Thu, 25 Nov 04 12:47:49 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave acomputer i , Message-ID: <i8GdnU8Y9aoJQTjcRVn-pw@rcn.net>  I In article <co2cm4$am0$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: G >In article <8_ednfguruIPATncRVn-qg@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: K >>In article <co25q6$88s$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote: I >>>In article <8_edncIuruJnCDncRVn-qg@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes: 0 >>>>In article <41A34237.55FA3814@teksavvy.com>,5 >>>>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  >>>>>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote: C >>>>>> HUH!!!!  Stay within the decade.  We were talking about the  
 beginnings >>>>>> of the PC market. >>>>> I >>>>>DEC started to shift to resellers paradigm in the 1980s. I fact, by   >>1986, % >>>>>calling dec to ask to buy a vax   >>>>F >>>>This happened because DEC was going out of the VAX business.  It'sE >>>>exactly how DEC treated people who wanted to buy PDP-10s in 1979.  >>> * >>>Going out of the Vax business in 1986 ? >> >>Yes. >>* >>>Alpha wasn't released until about 1991. >> >>So?    >>9 >>Jupiter wasn't cancelled until 1983; PDP-10 sales were   >>getting denied in 1979.  >> >> > / >However Vax and VMS was already there in 1979.   ? So?  My point was that the policy of denying a sale had already ? been established when a replacement architecture was years into ? the future.  And VAX wasn't already "there" in 79.  The company A was still doing the 11/780 bit and trying to establish a customer ? base for VAXes.  Since the performance sucked, there wasn't any > existing customers who bought a VAX when they needed mainframe computing services.   4 >As I recall VAX/VMS was riding pretty high in 1986.  9 Compared to what?  In 1986 I was starting to study how to ; convince current PDP-10 customers to replace their 10s with > VAXes.  This was after the fiasco of "fuck you" at 1978 DECUS,8 the Jupiter disaster, and then the idiocy that marketing3 developed in 1984 and 1985 they called "migration".   ; IOW, DEC managed to piss off, alienate, and loudly announce > to all current mainframe customers that they had absolutely no= say in the matter.  This was a 180 degree turn from corporate = policy where we tried to include customer input when planning " the future hardware product lines. > J >In my personal experience we were still dealing directly with Digital in  1989H >when I joined Middlesex University it wasn't until maybe 92/93 that we  wereD >forced to go through resellers (and then that was for both VAX and  >Alpha systems).  F Palmer was supposed to strip the company of cash and all product linesB that had nothing to do with the customer support piece of the biz.F This is an educated guess based on what happened inside the company; I saw no documents.      /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:56:26 GMT # From: nospam@nouce.bellatlantic.net Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave acomputer i 8 Message-ID: <ge3cq09e1a7rlspk5a14sh03gp1f8dd4ou@4ax.com>  8 On Thu, 25 Nov 04 12:47:49 GMT, jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:  0 >>However Vax and VMS was already there in 1979. > @ >So?  My point was that the policy of denying a sale had already@ >been established when a replacement architecture was years into@ >the future.  And VAX wasn't already "there" in 79.  The companyB >was still doing the 11/780 bit and trying to establish a customer  E The 11/780 was a VAX!  The 11/ part was to migrate people from 11/70s A that had reached its limits for a 16bit machine to something with  32bit address and data.   @ >base for VAXes.  Since the performance sucked, there wasn't any? >existing customers who bought a VAX when they needed mainframe  >computing services.  A Huh??? Performance sucked?  For 1979 there were few machines that < matched it and fewer that were supermainframes that beat it.  G >Palmer was supposed to strip the company of cash and all product lines C >that had nothing to do with the customer support piece of the biz. G >This is an educated guess based on what happened inside the company; I  >saw no documents.  C Something you finally got right.  When Palmer changed the logo from + blue to magenta we called it the blood run.    Allison    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:30:29 +0000 (UTC)  From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.ukY Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave acomputer i ) Message-ID: <co54rl$876$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>   F In article <i8GdnU8Y9aoJQTjcRVn-pw@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:J >In article <co2cm4$am0$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:H >>In article <8_ednfguruIPATncRVn-qg@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:L >>>In article <co25q6$88s$1@news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:J >>>>In article <8_edncIuruJnCDncRVn-qg@rcn.net>, jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:1 >>>>>In article <41A34237.55FA3814@teksavvy.com>, 6 >>>>>   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote: >>>>>>jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:D >>>>>>> HUH!!!!  Stay within the decade.  We were talking about the  >beginnings  >>>>>>> of the PC market.  >>>>>>J >>>>>>DEC started to shift to resellers paradigm in the 1980s. I fact, by  >>>1986,& >>>>>>calling dec to ask to buy a vax  >>>>> G >>>>>This happened because DEC was going out of the VAX business.  It's F >>>>>exactly how DEC treated people who wanted to buy PDP-10s in 1979. >>>>+ >>>>Going out of the Vax business in 1986 ?  >>>  >>>Yes.  >>> + >>>>Alpha wasn't released until about 1991.  >>>  >>>So?   >>> : >>>Jupiter wasn't cancelled until 1983; PDP-10 sales were  >>>getting denied in 1979. >>>  >>>  >>0 >>However Vax and VMS was already there in 1979. > @ >So?  My point was that the policy of denying a sale had already@ >been established when a replacement architecture was years into@ >the future.  And VAX wasn't already "there" in 79.  The companyB >was still doing the 11/780 bit and trying to establish a customer@ >base for VAXes.  Since the performance sucked, there wasn't any? >existing customers who bought a VAX when they needed mainframe  >computing services. > 5 >>As I recall VAX/VMS was riding pretty high in 1986.  > : >Compared to what?  In 1986 I was starting to study how to< >convince current PDP-10 customers to replace their 10s with? >VAXes.  This was after the fiasco of "fuck you" at 1978 DECUS, 9 >the Jupiter disaster, and then the idiocy that marketing 4 >developed in 1984 and 1985 they called "migration". >   M 1985/1986 was about the time I first worked on a VAX. The company part of GEC O had links to IBM mainframe systems at Chelmsford and a Mcdonald Douglas machine N running Pick on site. When they came to look for their next system then, sinceJ they wanted a mid-range system rather than an IBM mainframe, the choice of a VMS system seemed obvious.K The year of Unix was still something the computer press was saying would be  next year.      < >IOW, DEC managed to piss off, alienate, and loudly announce? >to all current mainframe customers that they had absolutely no > >say in the matter.  This was a 180 degree turn from corporate> >policy where we tried to include customer input when planning# >the future hardware product lines.  >>K >>In my personal experience we were still dealing directly with Digital in   >1989 I >>when I joined Middlesex University it wasn't until maybe 92/93 that we   >were E >>forced to go through resellers (and then that was for both VAX and   >>Alpha systems).  > G >Palmer was supposed to strip the company of cash and all product lines C >that had nothing to do with the customer support piece of the biz. G >This is an educated guess based on what happened inside the company; I  >saw no documents. >   M When I said dealing direct with Digital I meant purchasing VAX systems direct 7 from Digital nothing to do with maintenance or support.     
 David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University   >  >/BAH  > ( >Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:04:48 +0100 2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>3 Subject: Re: Newbie questions about Advanced Server ) Message-ID: <co43mi$efd1@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>    Michael O'Connor wrote: H > What I really want to do is use Microsoft Visual C++ on a Windows 2000F > PC to edit C source files that reside on an Alpha. Until now, I haveG > FTP'ed the files between PC and Alpha, but that is such a pain that I 3 > am now trying to use Advanced Server (Pathworks).  > D > I have installed Advanced Server V7.3A on an Alpha running OpenVMSF > 7.3-2, with "Advanced Server and OpenVMS" as the security model, and > the following configuration: > , >    1.  Run the License Server:          NO, >    2.  Enable Timesource service:       NO, >    3.  Enable Alerter service:          NO- >    4.  Enable Netlogon service:         YES 3 >    5.  Advanced Server domain:          MY_DOMAIN 1 >    6.  Advanced Server role:            PRIMARY 1 >    7.  Advanced Server computer name:   MY_NODE F >    8.  Server announce comment:    Advanced Server V7.3A for OpenVMS7 >    9.  Advanced Server language:        English (USA) , >    10. Enable NT style printing:        NO > H > With Advanced Server running, I created a local user "USER1" (the sameG > user name as my VMS account), and created a share on some directories H > with the options /NOPERMISSIONS/PERMISSIONS=(USER1=FULL). Logging intoG > Windows as the the user "USER1", I can access the share, and can open 5 > files, but cannot save them - the Windows error is:  >  > "Cannot access this file. . > Check security privileges over the network." > F > If I change the security model to "Advanced Server" only, I can saveG > and create files. Why is this, and do I need to worry about it from a  > security point of view?   ; 1. check with SH SHARE /FULL if the permissions are correct E 2. USER1 should map to VMS user USER1, can VMS USER1 access the files F from an interactive session? If VMS&LANMAN security is activated, the / user must pass lanman security and VMS security  > E > Another question - when a file is edited and saved from the Windows A > end, it retains its original version number on the OpenVMS file E > system, and the "date modified" attribute of the file is updated. I H > would much prefer it if a new version was created, as happens when theC > file is edited and saved in OpenVMS. Can I change this behaviour? E > Also, is there any way to see the different versions of a file from  > the Windows end?I I think, this cannot be changed, Pathworks acts like on ardinary windows   server here. > F > While I'm at it, I vaguely recall hearing that there is some kind ofC > DEC C "add-in" for Microsoft Visual C++. Does anyone know where I 1 > could find some information about this product? @ I know that there are additions to NETBEANS for C,FORTRAN,EDT...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:54:16 -0500 1 From: "Brad McCusker" <brad.mccuskerNOSP@Mhp.com> 3 Subject: Re: Newbie questions about Advanced Server & Message-ID: <zkkpd.870$LT.47@fe05.lga>  1 Some quick responses to try to get you moving....   J "Michael O'Connor" <michael.o'connor@bluescopesteel.com> wrote in message 7 news:9865a1d6.0411241757.152ec2b1@posting.google.com... H > What I really want to do is use Microsoft Visual C++ on a Windows 2000F > PC to edit C source files that reside on an Alpha. Until now, I haveG > FTP'ed the files between PC and Alpha, but that is such a pain that I 3 > am now trying to use Advanced Server (Pathworks).  > D > I have installed Advanced Server V7.3A on an Alpha running OpenVMSF > 7.3-2, with "Advanced Server and OpenVMS" as the security model, and  J My Advanced Server seminars used to teach people that only those with the I tightest security concerns, and a prior OpenVMS security implimentation,  L need to use VMS and Advanced Server model.  Advanced Server security should 
 be sufficent.    > the following configuration: > + >   1.  Run the License Server:          NO + >   2.  Enable Timesource service:       NO + >   3.  Enable Alerter service:          NO , >   4.  Enable Netlogon service:         YES2 >   5.  Advanced Server domain:          MY_DOMAIN0 >   6.  Advanced Server role:            PRIMARY0 >   7.  Advanced Server computer name:   MY_NODEE >   8.  Server announce comment:    Advanced Server V7.3A for OpenVMS 6 >   9.  Advanced Server language:        English (USA)+ >   10. Enable NT style printing:        NO  >   L Everything there looks good.  You even got the license server part correct,  which most 'newbies' get wrong.   H > With Advanced Server running, I created a local user "USER1" (the sameG > user name as my VMS account), and created a share on some directories H > with the options /NOPERMISSIONS/PERMISSIONS=(USER1=FULL). Logging intoG > Windows as the the user "USER1", I can access the share, and can open 5 > files, but cannot save them - the Windows error is:  >  > "Cannot access this file. . > Check security privileges over the network." >   L You've told me what the file permissions are from the Advanced Server point M of view, but, not from the VMS point of view.  From VMS, who owns the files,  I and what are the file permissions?  Then, you need to make sure that the  I Advanced Server user "USER1" really does map to VMS "USER1" (or some VMS  G user that in fact has VMS access to the file).  I don't recall if that  M should happen by default or not, but, you can force the issue with a command  H "$ ADMINISTER ADD HOSTMAP ...".  There is also some lanman.ini/registry M parameters to control some of the deafult mappings such as when the networks  M username matches the VMS user name, but, I don't recall the exact parameters  
 right now.  F > If I change the security model to "Advanced Server" only, I can saveG > and create files. Why is this, and do I need to worry about it from a  > security point of view?  >   M See above, and, I don't think you need to worry about it.  But, that depends  M on your security needs in your environemnt.  Hopefully I've given you enough   information to figure this out.   M The point of my "don't need to use AS and VMS mode" statement is that if you  J choose that mode, you need to worry about two levels of security, all the : time.  Your statement above only considers one level (AS).  B (Actually, there is 3 levels.  You didn't mention the share level 0 permissions, but, by default they are wide open)  E > Another question - when a file is edited and saved from the Windows A > end, it retains its original version number on the OpenVMS file E > system, and the "date modified" attribute of the file is updated. I H > would much prefer it if a new version was created, as happens when theC > file is edited and saved in OpenVMS. Can I change this behaviour?   L Not from Advanced Server's point of view.  Maybe someone else knows a trick  to effect the same behavior?  E > Also, is there any way to see the different versions of a file from  > the Windows end?    File versions in Windows?  Nope.   > F > While I'm at it, I vaguely recall hearing that there is some kind ofC > DEC C "add-in" for Microsoft Visual C++. Does anyone know where I 1 > could find some information about this product?   M Its called Enterprise Toolkit for VMS.  Sounds like it might be a good match  C for you.  See http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/et/et_index.html    Regards,  
 Brad McCusker % Transition Engineering and Consulting  HP
 Nashua NH USA 4 (former Advanced Server Engineering Project Leader)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 05:09:41 -0500 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>, Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 on Integrity Survey= Message-ID: <So2dnV-QZsryMjjcRVn-sA@metrocastcablevision.com>   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:41A562B1.F8A368F1@comcast.net...  > Kenneth Farmer wrote:  > > E > > OpenVMS marketing is looking for companies running OpenVMS 8.2 on 	 Integrity G > > in a production or near production environment for Success Stories.  > > 0 > > Survey shouldn't take much time to complete. > > 0 > > http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Survey > J > Y'know, everyone here knows I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, so IE > gotta ask: if V8.2 is still in beta / field test, how can anyone be  > using it in production?  >  > What did I miss here?   J Hey, you must have missed *something*.  Didn't you see the quote from someL HP flack stating that the reason Alpha system sales were down was because of the purchasing shift to Itanic?   L If Carly (by proxy) says it, history suggests overwhelmingly that it must be true...    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:19:21 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 on Integrity Survey, Message-ID: <41A5DBAB.9DD87925@teksavvy.com>   Bill Todd wrote:L > Hey, you must have missed *something*.  Didn't you see the quote from someN > HP flack stating that the reason Alpha system sales were down was because of! > the purchasing shift to Itanic?   N Hoping, of course, that the reader hasn't read the other articles that mentionL that HP is below the target of having IA64 sales represent 20% of enterpriseH systems sales. So Pa-Risc and ALpha still represent the vast majority ofB sales, so a 24% drop in Alpha is bad no matter how you look at it.  I Remember that until VMS is officially available commercially on IA64, you K can't expect many real sales. And until HP has integrated Tru64 features in L HP-UX, you can't expect much in terms if migration from Alpha to IA64 on the
 unix side.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Nov 2004 08:02:54 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 on Integrity Survey3 Message-ID: <kT9xYtqsUp$8@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <41A562B1.F8A368F1@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > Kenneth Farmer wrote:  >>  N >> OpenVMS marketing is looking for companies running OpenVMS 8.2 on IntegrityF >> in a production or near production environment for Success Stories.  E > gotta ask: if V8.2 is still in beta / field test, how can anyone be  > using it in production?  >  > What did I miss here?    The word "near" ?N  G Actually, I know of sites that for prior versions of VMS have put FieldeH Test software into production.   If anything went wrong, VMS DevelopmentF would say "it's not our fault".  But if it worked, VMS Marketing would. be willing to say "it's our great product" :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 23:40:22 +0800' From: prep@prep.synonet.coma, Subject: Re: OpenVMS 8.2 on Integrity Survey- Message-ID: <87mzx69btl.fsf@prep.synonet.com>c  4 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:   > Kenneth Farmer wrote:m  eN >> OpenVMS marketing is looking for companies running OpenVMS 8.2 on IntegrityF >> in a production or near production environment for Success Stories.  a/ >> Survey shouldn't take much time to complete.e  n/ >> http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=Surveye  J > Y'know, everyone here knows I'm not the sharpest pencil in the box, so IE > gotta ask: if V8.2 is still in beta / field test, how can anyone bee > using it in production?n   > What did I miss here?n  - Your early morning cup of Blonde javabeans...I   -- y< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.-@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 08:46:00 +0100e+ From: "Michel Herrscher" <mhc@herrscher.fr>> Subject: Re: VMS V1P7 Message-ID: <41a58dbb$0$25143$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>n  $ Dans un message Bob Willard disait :  H BTW , I saw in the past the 780/Bar model ... Still in production? ;-)))   -- / Michel Herrscher Consultanto> Prsident de WinDAsso - Association des Dveloppeurs WINDEV(c) http://www.windasso.orga7 Tel=+33 450 870912 Fax=+33 450 871741 GSM=+33 609044711      > Bob Supnik wrote:e >eD >> The SIMH team is attempting to revive VMS V1.  A 780 simulator isG >> written and partially debugged, V1 sources have been found, as has a  >> binary kit for V1.5.  >>  >> What's lacking, notably, are: >>F >> - VAX-11/780 floppies for V1, particularly the tape restore utility0 >> - Installation and operational manuals for V1H >> - Detailed specifications on the LSI-11 console interaction protocol,( >> or the actual firmware for the LSI-11" >> - VAX-11/780 bootstrap ROM code >>H >> If you have any of this material, please let me or Al Kossow know; we0 >> can arrange to have the material transcribed. >>
 >> Thanks, >> >> /Bob Supnik >> > E > Try Ted Gent, if he's still with DEC/CPQ/HP; last known address was D > MRO. Ted & friends rewrote the LSI-11 code for the 780 to make the/ > comm. front-end stuff work for Field Service.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 03:56:04 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>T Subject: Re: VMS V1h, Message-ID: <41A59E03.B0B519EA@teksavvy.com>   Michel Herrscher wrote: J > BTW , I saw in the past the 780/Bar model ... Still in production? ;-)))   Yep, hut it has moved. w  
 It is now at:1  / http://toyvax.glendale.ca.us/~vance/vaxbar.htmly  J I still think that the refrigirator process should be written to be in HIB mode instead of LEF.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:45:03 +0800i From: prep@prep.synonet.comh Subject: Re: VMS V1.- Message-ID: <87zn169mps.fsf@prep.synonet.com>h  9 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   8 > kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes:  C >>At the VMS 20th anniversary DECUS they had a 780 running whateverr@ >>version of VMS it first shipped with. IT belonged to a DEC F/SA >>engineer, but the Dectapes were Andy Goldstein's. He might know1 >>where the 780 is.o  F > Unfortunately, it was accidentally scrapped.  It was brought back toF > the VMS Engineering lab after DECUS and someone who didn't know whatB > it was had it sent out for scrap.  One of the engineers here whoF > brought it to life will rant on and on if the subject is brought up.  6 ::splork::... At Spitbrook? who let that f***wit in...  I We have a 780, a 780-5 and a 785 in the ACMS collection. At least one hasf$ been blessed by Intergraph though...   -- -< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.2@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.655 ************************