1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 26 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 657       Contents:" Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s$ Re: Determining source of connection$ Re: Determining source of connectionP Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual  tohave acomputer P Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual  tohave acomputer P Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual  tohave acomputer P Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave acomputer i8 Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam8 Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  ! Date: Fri, 26 Nov 04 11:43:33 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com + Subject: Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s , Message-ID: <SeadnTwgcK2NgjrcRVn-pA@rcn.net>  8 In article <q40cq0t7tgihgn4h94oob0irb6ntfevvm2@4ax.com>,1    John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote: A >On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 19:35:24 +0800, prep@prep.synonet.com wrote:  > ( >>leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth) writes: >>= >>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  ( news:<41A4062D.FB1277CA@teksavvy.com>...F >>>> ... They also had a PDP11-in-a-VT-100 product on display (but was6 >>>> too expsnive for me as a student entering uni :-) >>G >>> That would have been the PDT11 series... you can read about them at ? >>> http://tinyurl.com/66262 and look for the text "1978?" - it 6 >>> discusses the various flavors that were available. >>A >>There was also the LSI-11 with Q-bus in a VT100. VT103 I think.  >>= >>I always have trouble remebering which is the 102 or 103 :(  > F >Your guess is correct.  The VT102 was the souped-up 100 that could do >full-screen 132-column :-)  > = Could you use the trick for remembering by counting the I11=3 	 in LSI11?    /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 13:39:18 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> - Subject: Re: Determining source of connection * Message-ID: <41A73206.5020100@bigpond.com>   JF Mezei was overheard to say: > Sinobato wrote:  > 8 >>Auditable event:        Detached process login failure" >>PID:                    001CFC59H >>Username:               SYSTEM          Parent username:        SYSTEM< >>Status:                 %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed >  > K > The detached process is created with /OUTPUT or /ERROR destinations which @ > failed, hence the process failed before it can actually start. >  > Common causes:@ > -one of the output files already exists at version limit 32768 > K > -the output files exist in a directory with a version limit of say 2, and J > there are already 2 processes running, so when you try to create the 3rdP > output file, it fails because it is unable to delete the oldest log file since, > it is still in use by the other processes. >  >  > < > pipe show dev/files/nosys <disk> | search sys$input SYSTEM > N > for each device. Look for files where more than one version is in use at theO > same time, then find out which files are opened by those processes and you'll  > have a clue. >   ? Another possibility is that whilst trying to create a log file, > the directory containing the log file needed to be made larger< but there was insufficient contiguous space left on the disk< to recreate the directory -- in other words you have a badly fragmented disk...   Regards, Dave.  --  D David B Sneddon (dbs)  VMS Systems Programmer  dbsneddon@bigpond.comD Sneddo's quick guide ...     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/D DBS freeware     http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Nov 2004 07:56:08 -0600- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: Determining source of connection 3 Message-ID: <ylp7qPKLtF7C@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <ec657b64.0411251858.4160d71a@posting.google.com>, sinobato@yahoo.com (Sinobato) writes:   : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  25-NOV-2004 16:11:13.54  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on NODE01D > Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on NODE01, > system id: 51 8 > Auditable event:        Detached process login failure1 > Event time:             25-NOV-2004 16:11:13.54 * > PID:                    001CFC59        H > Username:               SYSTEM          Parent username:        SYSTEM< > Status:                 %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed  J This is a detached process, so I don't think any "connection" is involved.  : V6.2 is fairly old, but on current versions of VMS you can  & 	SET AUDIT/AUDIT/ENABLE=PROCESS=CREPRC  > to see what process was trying to create the detached process.  ? Likely that entity is specifying an impossible SYS$OUTPUT file. @ I don't think file creation failure for non-privilege reasons is particularly auditable.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 15:19:38 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual  tohave acomputer  8 Message-ID: <i7heq0t908upv01p00lnb57jp352rbop33@4ax.com>  J On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:39:10 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:  H >Not only that, but DEC couldn't make 780's fast enough!  I'm a car guy,K >and I liken the 11/780 to the Mustang in 1964 - there was a market looking J >for a product, and both the 780 and the Mustang were that product.  Plus,= >it was a heckuva lot cheaper than any mainframe around then.   M The amazing thing looking back is that for five years the 780 was the fastest N machine that Digital sold. Contrast that with today's systems that get a clockN speed increase every few months. Of course when the 785 was shipped it was 50%) faster than the 780 at a whopping 7.5MHz!    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 08:49:29 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual  tohave acomputer  A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041126084606.022ebb40@raptor.psccos.com>   + At 08:19 AM 11/26/2004, Nigel Barker wrote: K >On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:39:10 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:  > J > >Not only that, but DEC couldn't make 780's fast enough!  I'm a car guy,M > >and I liken the 11/780 to the Mustang in 1964 - there was a market looking L > >for a product, and both the 780 and the Mustang were that product.  Plus,? > >it was a heckuva lot cheaper than any mainframe around then.  > N >The amazing thing looking back is that for five years the 780 was the fastestO >machine that Digital sold. Contrast that with today's systems that get a clock O >speed increase every few months. Of course when the 785 was shipped it was 50% * >faster than the 780 at a whopping 7.5MHz!  F To me, the amazing thing is that the entire Customer Support Center inL Colorado Springs was run off of an 11/782 system.  Today, we complain if ourJ 2.5MHz PC doesn't run our spreadsheets fast enough, yet the entire CSC wasI run off of 10MHz or so!  I was at the CSC supporting RSX, back in the day K when we converted from a tracking system that ran on RSTS/E to VMS.  It was I a real pain in the gluteus maximus to try to use the system at first, but ? eventually it did support several hundred simultaneous users...    ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:18:47 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual  tohave acomputer  ; Message-ID: <HHIpd.79703$6w6.61796@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    Dan O'Reilly wrote: - > At 08:19 AM 11/26/2004, Nigel Barker wrote:  > G >> On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:39:10 -0700, Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>  	 >> wrote:  >>K >> >Not only that, but DEC couldn't make 780's fast enough!  I'm a car guy, G >> >and I liken the 11/780 to the Mustang in 1964 - there was a market  
 >> lookingH >> >for a product, and both the 780 and the Mustang were that product.   >> Plus,@ >> >it was a heckuva lot cheaper than any mainframe around then. >>I >> The amazing thing looking back is that for five years the 780 was the  
 >> fastestJ >> machine that Digital sold. Contrast that with today's systems that get 
 >> a clockJ >> speed increase every few months. Of course when the 785 was shipped it 
 >> was 50%, >> faster than the 780 at a whopping 7.5MHz! >  > H > To me, the amazing thing is that the entire Customer Support Center inK > Colorado Springs was run off of an 11/782 system.  Today, we complain if   > our L > 2.5MHz PC doesn't run our spreadsheets fast enough, yet the entire CSC wasK > run off of 10MHz or so!  I was at the CSC supporting RSX, back in the day M > when we converted from a tracking system that ran on RSTS/E to VMS.  It was K > a real pain in the gluteus maximus to try to use the system at first, but A > eventually it did support several hundred simultaneous users...  >  > ----D That's because at one time programmers knew how to code efficiently. Tbat art seems long gone!    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 23:18:43 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com Y Subject: Re: interesting take on Olsen's "no reason for any individual tohave acomputer i - Message-ID: <87pt20r63w.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   " "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> writes:  & > nospam@nouce.bellatlantic.net wrote:  F >> Something you finally got right.  When Palmer changed the logo from. >> blue to magenta we called it the blood run.   > Maroon, surely ?!?  % Oh? When was the battle of Maroon? ;)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 16:20:20 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> A Subject: Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam ; Message-ID: <8JIpd.79710$6w6.63058@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    Bochnik, William J wrote:   > > Careful, Microsoft or Al Gore might claim prior invention... >   C For what most people think of the internet, Gore did invent it. He  D provided funding for Mosaic, the first web browser. That's when the H internet became the commerce industry it is, and attracted huge numbers 
 of people.     > -----Original Message-----+ > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]  , > Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 3:49 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? > Subject: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam  >  > @ > Another Digital first - the first spam sent over the internet. >  > A > Take a look at the article Ken Farmer posted at www.openvms.org  > H > ....."As a marketing manager at the East Coast-based Digital EquipmentI > Corp. (DEC), Thuerk sent out the bulk email inviting West Coast techies 6 > to a demonstration of Dec's new Decsystem-20. "..... >  >  >  > + > -----------------------------------------  > The information contained in this transmission may contain privileged and confidential information and is intended only for the use of the person(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, any review, dissemination, distribution or duplication of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately by reply e-mail and destroy all copies o f the original message. Please note that we do not accept account orders and/or instructions by e-mail, and therefore will not be responsible for carrying out such orders and/or instructions. |> If you, as the intended recipient of this message, the purpose of which is to inform and update our clients, prospects and consultants of developments relating to our services and products, would not like to receive further e-mail correspondence from the sender, please "reply" to the sender indicating your wishes.  In the U.S.: 1345 Avenue of the Americas, New York, NY 10105. >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 12:36:08 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> A Subject: Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam , Message-ID: <41A76985.96BD5283@teksavvy.com>   Beach Runner wrote: D > For what most people think of the internet, Gore did invent it. He5 > provided funding for Mosaic, the first web browser.   * Did Mosaic really get started after 1992 ?  L I was under the impresison that Gore's accomplishement was the privatisationI of the Internet, allowing corporations such as Psrint to offer for-profit J connection sto for-profit corporations, as well as shift8ing the whole DLS3 thing out of the educational/military jurisdiction.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.657 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            rted.1 >>> 226 Transfer completed.1' <<< CWD /disk$misc/decus/vmslt03b/vu/4 >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/vmslt03b/vu.	 <<< PWD/> >>> 257 "/disk$misc/decus/vmslt03b/vu" is current directory. <<< CWD smpp9 >>> 250 Connected to /disk$misc/decus/vmslt03b/vu/smpp.< <<< TYPE A >>> 200 Type A ok. <<< PORT 195,4,24,11,135,82 >>> 200 Port 135.8 at Host 195.4.24.11 accepted.
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