1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 27 Nov 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 659       Contents:" Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s" Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s$ Re: Determining source of connection4 Re: dtrace's (Solaris 10) equivalent tool on OpenVMS4 Re: dtrace's (Solaris 10) equivalent tool on OpenVMS4 Re: dtrace's (Solaris 10) equivalent tool on OpenVMS4 Re: dtrace's (Solaris 10) equivalent tool on OpenVMS enhancements to TCPIP  Re: enhancements to TCPIP  enhancements to VMS MAILP Re: Seeking Testing Volunteers W2K MTS/DTC to VMS DECdtm Distributed    2PC TranP Re: Seeking Testing Volunteers W2K MTS/DTC to VMS DECdtm Distributed 2PC TransacP Re: Seeking Testing Volunteers W2K MTS/DTC to VMS DECdtm Distributed 2PC TransacP Re: What can I do about "Asynchronous Device Attention" errors on network cards 8 Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam8 Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam8 Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam8 Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam< Re: [OT]: was "origin of spam", morphed to "birth of Mosaic"  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:22:28 +0000 (UTC) , From: cdl@deeptow.ucsd.edu (Carl Lowenstein)+ Subject: Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s ) Message-ID: <co99vk$qf1$1@news1.ucsd.edu>   8 In article <em69q0ll5495p8vaahpkbaciiu07lfgje9@4ax.com>,5 Steve Lionel  <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> wrote: E >On 23 Nov 2004 19:10:34 -0800, leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth) wrote:  > ? >>I think all of the stores folded up within a year of opening- ? >>how many stores were there (at max) and what cities were they  >>in?  > K >One was in Manchester, NH.  I never ran across another, but I am sure they 	 >existed.  >    There was one in San Diego, CA.        carl --  B     carl lowenstein         marine physical lab     u.c. san diegoB                                                  clowenst@ucsd.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2004 04:00:15 -0800& From: denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny)+ Subject: Re: DEC retail stores in the 1980s = Message-ID: <2a9d9498.0411270400.364703a2@posting.google.com>   m David Powell <ddotpowell@icuknet.co.uk> wrote in message news:<uqm9q05s930faon6u1jkiubcf0s551nt21@4ax.com>... @ > In article <d0e744c9.0411231910.3ddb521@posting.google.com>,  9 >  leeroth@my-deja.com (Lee Roth)  in comp.sys.dec wrote:  > - > >Speaking of retail... in the pre-PC era...  > > 8 > >Anyone remember the DEC retail stores? A few of these: > >stores appeared about the time that the "Super Trio" of [ s n i p ]   D There was one in Pittsburgh in a building somewhere near Point Park.> It was on the ground floor. I went in one time only in 1980 or? 1981...spotted a copy of "Introduction to Programming", a small A paperback that taught the reader the intricacies of PDP8 assembly 5 programming. I wanted that to replace one I had lost.   D The interesting thing to me was I got the first one free for asking,E in maybe 1968(?). I had to buy the second one. Those wiley marketeers B had stumbled on yet another untapped source of income AND customer
 good will!  B Literature for sale, Floppys that you could only buy formatted and; couldn't format on your own machine, MMJ jacks and plugs...   @ Was it maybe in the early 80's that the DEC marketeers began the	 takeover?   ? Hmmm  a new thread: marketing mistakes tht contributed to DEC's , demise. I'm sure we all have our favorites!!   regards,   denny    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:06:21 GMT # From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> - Subject: Re: Determining source of connection = Message-ID: <NcZpd.50268$K7.16175@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   0 "Sinobato" <sinobato@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:ec657b64.0411251858.4160d71a@posting.google.com... 	 > Hi all,  > H > I am currently investigating a problem on one of our nodes (DEC 3000 -F > M900, OVMS v6.2-1H3, UCX v4.2) wherein our operator.log file startedG > to suddenly increase in size. Investigating further, I found out that G > it was being filled up by this similar message (different process IDs  > for each message): > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  25-NOV-2004 16:11:13.54  %%%%%%%%%%%* > Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on NODE01D > Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on NODE01, > system id: 51 8 > Auditable event:        Detached process login failure1 > Event time:             25-NOV-2004 16:11:13.54 " > PID:                    001CFC59H > Username:               SYSTEM          Parent username:        SYSTEM< > Status:                 %RMS-E-CRE, ACP file create failed > E > This is also filling up our console, and currently, I have disabled H > auditing for detached process login failures and our operator.log seemH > to have stopped growing, but the message still appears on our console. > G > I have been trying to determine what the root cause of this, but with F > this very limited error message, I have already exhausted whatever IC > know of in determining the source of this problem. I have already G > looked at for system log files that has reached the version limit but 
 > found none.  > A > Is there a way how I can determine what process is causing this G > problem? Again, each message is giving a different process ID so that G > when I try to check on the process ID on the message, it is no longer  > existing.  > " > Thanks in advance for your help! > 
 > Regards,
 > SinobatoF If you do a $show int - it will tell you the source of any intrusions,4 the accounting utility may also show a terminal name (and remote info for decnet)& $ acc /type=logfail /full /since=hh:mm< As it is owned by system, the originating process (probably); is in your system startup or in a system-owned batch queue. ? The bofh method is to stop processes in descending pid sequence  until it stops happening :)  Wild guess - perfectdisk Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:40:19 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>= Subject: Re: dtrace's (Solaris 10) equivalent tool on OpenVMS 2 Message-ID: <co9i27$hd4$1@news1.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>   John E. Malmberg wrote:  > Sarkunarajah S wrote:  >  >> hi,I >> Whenever I read a review/or articles on Solaris 10, dtrace never fails ) >> to be mentioned as a really cool tool.  >>H >> A question to OpenVMS & Solaris experts out there, is there a similar >> tool available in OpenVMS ? >  > F > First many of the readers of this forum would need to know that the  > "dtrace" tool does.   J It seems that Dtrace is a tool that gathers all kind of information about 0 running processes, pagefaults, system calls etc.  N I'm not a real expert on these things, but to me it appears as if VMS has had $ many of these tools for a long time.  ? Dtrace comes with its own language "D", which is 90% "C" ......      >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 10:37:49 GMT # From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> = Subject: Re: dtrace's (Solaris 10) equivalent tool on OpenVMS = Message-ID: <1OYpd.50207$K7.32749@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   4 "Sarkunarajah S" <ngroup@gmail.com> wrote in message; news:1101523237.300729.7560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  > hi, H > Whenever I read a review/or articles on Solaris 10, dtrace never fails( > to be mentioned as a really cool tool. > G > A question to OpenVMS & Solaris experts out there, is there a similar  > tool available in OpenVMS ?  >  > thanks...sarkunarajah s   > VMS has SDA (System Dump Analyzer) to examine running systems,? and PCA (Performance Coverage Analyzer) to identify performance L issues and bottlenecks. It has had these facilities as part of the operating system for many years.(20?) A Similarly, Sun have made a big thing recently about "containers", A these are similar to VMS Galaxy  partitions, which have only been  around for about 5 years. D Sun probably also do host-based volume shadowing, but I bet it has a  smart name and glossy brochures. Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:21:43 +0100  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>= Subject: Re: dtrace's (Solaris 10) equivalent tool on OpenVMS 2 Message-ID: <coa9ir$9re$1@news2.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>   Phil wrote: 6 > "Sarkunarajah S" <ngroup@gmail.com> wrote in message= > news:1101523237.300729.7560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...  >  >>hi, H >>Whenever I read a review/or articles on Solaris 10, dtrace never fails( >>to be mentioned as a really cool tool. >>G >>A question to OpenVMS & Solaris experts out there, is there a similar  >>tool available in OpenVMS ?  >> >>thanks...sarkunarajah s  >  > @ > VMS has SDA (System Dump Analyzer) to examine running systems,A > and PCA (Performance Coverage Analyzer) to identify performance N > issues and bottlenecks. It has had these facilities as part of the operating > system for many years.(20?) C > Similarly, Sun have made a big thing recently about "containers", C > these are similar to VMS Galaxy  partitions, which have only been  > around for about 5 years. F > Sun probably also do host-based volume shadowing, but I bet it has a" > smart name and glossy brochures. > Phil >   N No, actually it is a standard feature of Solaris, just like raid 0 and raid 5.   >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 16:56:16 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> = Subject: Re: dtrace's (Solaris 10) equivalent tool on OpenVMS 8 Message-ID: <d8chq0h03s3epir56lpk9ct8m774giup66@4ax.com>  C On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:21:43 +0100, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:    >Phil wrote:7 >> "Sarkunarajah S" <ngroup@gmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:1101523237.300729.7560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>   >>>hi,I >>>Whenever I read a review/or articles on Solaris 10, dtrace never fails ) >>>to be mentioned as a really cool tool.  >>> H >>>A question to OpenVMS & Solaris experts out there, is there a similar >>>tool available in OpenVMS ? >>>  >>>thanks...sarkunarajah s >>   >>  A >> VMS has SDA (System Dump Analyzer) to examine running systems, B >> and PCA (Performance Coverage Analyzer) to identify performanceO >> issues and bottlenecks. It has had these facilities as part of the operating  >> system for many years.(20?)D >> Similarly, Sun have made a big thing recently about "containers",D >> these are similar to VMS Galaxy  partitions, which have only been >> around for about 5 years.G >> Sun probably also do host-based volume shadowing, but I bet it has a # >> smart name and glossy brochures.  >> Phil  >> > O >No, actually it is a standard feature of Solaris, just like raid 0 and raid 5.   B Is it really Host Based Volume Shadowing or merely Disk Mirroring?   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:58:37 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: enhancements to TCPIP$ Message-ID: <coa87d$r12$3@online.de>  I I like the hash function with FTP for monitoring long transfers.  But if  E the transfer is really long, I would FTP in batch.  However, in that  @ case, the hashmarks don't appear in the log file.  Am I missing F something, or is this new functionality which needs to be implemented?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:35:00 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> " Subject: Re: enhancements to TCPIPE Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0411271030510.31556@localhost.localdomain>   D On Sat, 27 Nov 2004, Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote:  C > I like the hash function with FTP for monitoring long transfers.  F > But if the transfer is really long, I would FTP in batch.  However, B > in that case, the hashmarks don't appear in the log file.  Am I D > missing something, or is this new functionality which needs to be  > implemented?  G Would $ SHOW PROCESS/CONTINUOUS <batch-job> tell you that the transfer  C is happening?  Seems to me that that would be more convenient than  C counting hash marks in an open (and occasionally updated) log file.      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:57:21 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)! Subject: enhancements to VMS MAIL $ Message-ID: <coa851$r12$2@online.de>  D A while back, one of the engineers asked here about suggestions for 7 improving VMS MAIL.  Here are a couple I'd like to see:   H When FORWARDing a message interactively, have the original subject come 4 up at the prompt (which can be edited if necessary).  G Increase the size of the recall buffer in MAIL (like was done with DCL) > and add a RECALL command analogous to the DCL RECALL command.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 19:19:09 +1100 4 From: Paddy O'Brien <paddy.o'brien@transgrid.com.au>Y Subject: Re: Seeking Testing Volunteers W2K MTS/DTC to VMS DECdtm Distributed    2PC Tran - Message-ID: <41A8387D.30205@transgrid.com.au>    Steve wrote: > Erland Sommarskog wrote: > 3 >> Warren Simmons (wsimmons5@optonline.net) writes:  >>C >>> I'm a very slow learner.  Also, I am retired for over 20 years. G >>> As a result, I am interested in a definition of VMS code. It looked . >>> a lot like Cobol to me. Oh, plus some jcl. >> >> >>I >> Indeed. Back in my younger days, I was a lot into VMS. But this was a  > >> new experience. Call SYS$QIOW and others from Cobol, egads! >>   >>G > ... it was bad enough trying to access these fortranesque structures   > from C (:  >  > Steve   C This is not intended as a troll or to incite a language war.  What   follows is just my opinion.   G There is nothing "fortranesque" about any of the system service calls.  B DEC has a calling standard and whether you write in BLISS, COBOL, F Fortran or PASCAl or even (shudder) C or C++ (probably several others I that I've forgotten), you can have a standard call. Personally, I prefer  C to forget that C and C++ ever existed.  Bad programming and use of  F unsafe languages is why so many viruses are here. The language itself I might require you to do something like DEC's %ref or %val.  Or with C to  F create a descriptor for the equivalent of Fortran Character variables.  G A sideline, what is the equivalent of a descriptor that allows the F95   SIZE intrinsic?   F I use Fortran because I am into very technical electrical engineering G applications.  Our engineers sometimes have runs going for days on our  B production ES40 for determining transient stability limits on our % 4-state interconnected system in .au.   H t also depends on the applications you write whether you use Fortran or H C, or whatever.  I do sometimes use C for GUI stuff, but C++, to me, is L not a safe language, and too difficult to educate safe programming in staff.  D Nicklaus Wirth, to my knowledge, only intended PASCAL as a teaching I tool. He did not see a language written by one person as being viable in  D a commercial or industrial environment.  And C++ was written by one H person.-- BS.  Doubts about Linux have also been recently expressed for  the same reason.   Regards, Paddy        G ***********************************************************************   C "This electronic message and any attachments may contain privileged > and confidential information intended only for the use of the B addressees named above.  If you are not the intended recipient of C this email, please delete the message and any attachment and advise B the sender.  You are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, 7 distribution, reproduction of this email is prohibited.   A If you have received the email in error, please notify TransGrid  A immediately.  Any views expressed in this email are those of the  = individual sender except where the sender expressly and with  C authority states them to be the views of TransGrid.  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 > Hi Richard,  > A > I'm a very slow learner.  Also, I am retired for over 20 years. E > As a result, I am interested in a definition of VMS code. It looked , > a lot like Cobol to me. Oh, plus some jcl. >  > Warren Simmons > C > P.S. I see the use of pointer. I have heard that this is a tricky C > thing to use. Will you explain as it was not clear to me why that  > was true. 3 A pointer is just a longword containing an address, 1 it's not tricky if you only use SET to change it.  Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 11:47:39 GMT # From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> Y Subject: Re: Seeking Testing Volunteers W2K MTS/DTC to VMS DECdtm Distributed 2PC Transac = Message-ID: <vPZpd.50347$K7.37190@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   G > Indeed. Back in my younger days, I was a lot into VMS. But this was a = > new experience. Call SYS$QIOW and others from Cobol, egads! ! It can even be used without the W  Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2004 08:39:36 -0800+ From: freestyle_london@yahoo.co.uk (Andrew) Y Subject: Re: What can I do about "Asynchronous Device Attention" errors on network cards  = Message-ID: <88f6adbc.0411270839.3a7f188a@posting.google.com>   " Thanks for all the replies so far,  C I agree that there is a little debate over AUTO-SENSING... But as I E said I'm assured if you ring HP they will advise to have AUTO at both  the switch and the server !   B Yet if you speak to any network engineer, he will say always avoid this.   F But my real question is for all you PRO's who manage a system on a day
 to day basis.   B Do you recieve these errors ? Being a Microsoft man, of course ourD server don't bother to report anything. But it seems VMS complain...6 sorry informs you even if the wind changes direction..  D Which is all right and all, but at least microsoft give you an errorF code which you can search on to figure out what to do. VMS simply says: "ERRROR, WARNING" and its up to judgement to figure it out  C However I do like VMS so don't think I playing the MS card.. sheesh   d Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<CZrpd.34672$Oc.7007@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>... > Andrew wrote:  > 
 > > Dear all,  > > E > > We are recieving several messages a day about recoverable errors.  > > ( > > "Asynchronous Device Attention" EWA0 > > I > > We are using Gigabit network cards with failover enabled connected to  > > a cisco 6500 switch. > > G > > Both the server and switch are set to AUTO... I'm told that this is J > > HP's recomendation. On this point if anyone has any other ideas please > > let me know. > F > Some controllers don't do well with auto negotiate.  You'll see the I > symptoms at the data level. Do an analy/system sho lan/count and you'll I > see things like alignment errors.  Better to hard code 100/full or the  / > like on BOTH the controller and Cisco switch.  > C > Since network managers EVER admit to having problems, get a CISCO G > show tech  will show a lot of information (NONE OF IT SECURE) but it  9 > will show the speed and duplex for each and every port.  > F > Absolutely make sure you are up to date on LAN ECOs, especially for ! > newer (like DE600) controllers.  >  > Beach Runner >  >  >  > > I > > So do I need to worry about these messages... Do other people who are . > > VMS admins here recieve similar messages ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:32:38 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> A Subject: Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041127072948.025c0de0@raptor.psccos.com>   2 At 08:58 PM 11/26/2004, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >Dan O'Reilly wrote: > G >>I think Vint Cern would argue with that...Gore had as much to do with B >>"inventing the internet" as I did with "inventing space travel". > 8 >What fraction of NASA's budget have you helped provide?  J Sorry, but "providing budget" is *FAR* from "inventing" it...based on yourK reasoning, everything that any company I've ever bought something from that I has come out, I've "invented", because the money (or at least part of it) H that I spent with those companies have helped pay for their R&D costs...I and given that I pay a bunch of income taxes that help fund NASA, I guess + I "invented the space shuttle, for example.    ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:16:57 GMT # From: Beach Runner <bob@nospam.com> A Subject: Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam 9 Message-ID: <JT0qd.42172$Oc.5994@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>    Dan O'Reilly wrote: 4 > At 08:58 PM 11/26/2004, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >  >> Dan O'Reilly wrote: >>I >>> I think Vint Cern would argue with that...Gore had as much to do with D >>> "inventing the internet" as I did with "inventing space travel". >> >>: >> What fraction of NASA's budget have you helped provide? >  > L > Sorry, but "providing budget" is *FAR* from "inventing" it...based on yourM > reasoning, everything that any company I've ever bought something from that K > has come out, I've "invented", because the money (or at least part of it) J > that I spent with those companies have helped pay for their R&D costs...K > and given that I pay a bunch of income taxes that help fund NASA, I guess - > I "invented the space shuttle, for example.  >   F Proposing funding for a new concept demonstrated futuristic thinking, H and it was what drove the internet to be what it is today, as opposed toA Easynet Notes conferencing, Usenet newsgroups and a lot of email.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 08:59:14 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> A Subject: Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam A Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20041127085729.02572488@raptor.psccos.com>   + At 08:16 AM 11/27/2004, Beach Runner wrote:      >Dan O'Reilly wrote:4 >>At 08:58 PM 11/26/2004, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: >> >>>Dan O'Reilly wrote: >>> I >>>>I think Vint Cern would argue with that...Gore had as much to do with D >>>>"inventing the internet" as I did with "inventing space travel". >>>  >>> : >>>What fraction of NASA's budget have you helped provide? >>L >>Sorry, but "providing budget" is *FAR* from "inventing" it...based on yourM >>reasoning, everything that any company I've ever bought something from that K >>has come out, I've "invented", because the money (or at least part of it) J >>that I spent with those companies have helped pay for their R&D costs...K >>and given that I pay a bunch of income taxes that help fund NASA, I guess - >>I "invented the space shuttle, for example.  > K >Proposing funding for a new concept demonstrated futuristic thinking, and  E >it was what drove the internet to be what it is today, as opposed to B >Easynet Notes conferencing, Usenet newsgroups and a lot of email.  I Well, since you're obviously shilling for Gore, nothing's going to change J your thinking.  But to say he "invented" it is absolutely ludicrous.  LikeJ every other person in Congress, he gave money based on lobbying not on anyI kind of "futuristic thinking".  I'll guarantee at the time he had no idea 1 of anything more than a "Star Trek" type of idea.    ------J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+J | Dan O'Reilly                  |  "There are 10 types of people in this |J | Principal Engineer            |   world: those who understand binary   |J | Process Software              |   and those who don't."                |J | http://www.process.com        |                                        |J +-------------------------------+----------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:54:34 +0000 (UTC) P From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply)A Subject: Re: [OT]: Digital Equipment Corp. and the origin of Spam $ Message-ID: <coa7vq$r12$1@online.de>  E In article <6.1.2.0.2.20041127072948.025c0de0@raptor.psccos.com>, Dan $ O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:   4 > At 08:58 PM 11/26/2004, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote: > >Dan O'Reilly wrote: > > I > >>I think Vint Cern would argue with that...Gore had as much to do with D > >>"inventing the internet" as I did with "inventing space travel". > > : > >What fraction of NASA's budget have you helped provide? > L > Sorry, but "providing budget" is *FAR* from "inventing" it...based on yourM > reasoning, everything that any company I've ever bought something from that K > has come out, I've "invented", because the money (or at least part of it) J > that I spent with those companies have helped pay for their R&D costs...K > and given that I pay a bunch of income taxes that help fund NASA, I guess - > I "invented the space shuttle, for example.   I The whole "Gore invented the internet" thing is based on something which   has been wrongly quoted:  ,    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.htm   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2004 04:18:57 -0800& From: denny_rich@ameritech.net (Denny)E Subject: Re: [OT]: was "origin of spam", morphed to "birth of Mosaic" = Message-ID: <2a9d9498.0411270418.31b22a54@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41A76985.96BD5283@teksavvy.com>...  > Beach Runner wrote: F > > For what most people think of the internet, Gore did invent it. He7 > > provided funding for Mosaic, the first web browser.  > , > Did Mosaic really get started after 1992 ?  D I worked at NASA/Lewis (now Glenn) from 1991 to 1994.5 as a contractA system manager for VMS. During that time, NASA/Lewis was actively F planning the demise of their 2 VAX clusters and a wholesale conversion@ to PCs. But they did buy the first Alpha workstation I ever saw!  D One day, I attended a required meeting that was a demo of Mosaic.  IF believe the speaker touted the fact that there were then "hundreds" ofB sites on the netowrk, and you could search thousands of documents, right there on-line.  F Mosaic was made available to all workstation users so I downloaded andF set it up, some super-zoomy Intel box running state-of-the-art Windoze 3.  D I remember it was pretty dicey to keep it running, and if the littleE Navigator logo in thhe upper right (?) stopped moving (was it a small C box with shooting stars or northern lights?), you had to reboot the - machine.  Not exactly what you call "robust".   3 But if memory serves, Early 90's was the beginning.   E BTW, at that time, "word processing" was ALL-IN-ONE with WordPerfect, D running on a cluster of 6600's and serving a community of about 3000 active users   regards,   denny      > N > I was under the impresison that Gore's accomplishement was the privatisationK > of the Internet, allowing corporations such as Psrint to offer for-profit L > connection sto for-profit corporations, as well as shift8ing the whole DLS5 > thing out of the educational/military jurisdiction.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.659 ************************