1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 04 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 551       Contents:C AlphaServer ES47 MBM "replicated database not synchronized" message  ANA/IMAGE and shareable images Re: As seen in WSJ* Re: DecWindows performance on old hardware* Re: DecWindows performance on old hardware8 Re: DSN/WIS Retirement -> ITRC "Natural Language Search" Re: light browser? Re: light browser?( MAIL Profile (callable mail) USER fields* Re: Need LK461 keyboard and 3 button mouse* Re: Need LK461 keyboard and 3 button mouseM Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') M Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS')  OT: World chocolate week# Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: Tiny pickings for Itanium OEM's   VAX/VMS in industrial automation$ Re: VAX/VMS in industrial automation$ Re: VAX/VMS in industrial automation$ Re: VAX/VMS in industrial automation= Re: Why do I need Read access to a directory, to WRITE to it?  Re: WRQ OpenVMS Survey  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2004 02:44:43 -0700 6 From: grahamowen@streetmanagement.org.uk (Graham Owen)L Subject: AlphaServer ES47 MBM "replicated database not synchronized" message= Message-ID: <7d424a97.0410040144.1a45a949@posting.google.com>    Can anybody help please?  F I am attempting to power up a standalone AlphaServer ES47 by telnetingC into the MBM.  The system won't power up, or do most other things.  " The error messages that I get are:  8 ~CLI-W-(tCLItelnet) replicated database not synchronized and / ~CLI-E-(tCLItelnet) error in accessing database   C These message do not seem to appear in the CLI Reference document.  = Can you tell me what the error is here and how to rectify it?    Many Thanks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 05:42:30 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: ANA/IMAGE and shareable images , Message-ID: <41611ADA.9CF42207@teksavvy.com>   If I do the following:  K PIPE ANA/IMAGE  sys$library:tcpip$access_shr.exe | search sys$input Symbol:   I Does this give me all possible routine names (aka: entry points) into the > shareable image, or would there be many which are not listed ?  J For instance, I am looking for TCPIP$RES_INIT.  I know that string is seenI inside that file. And it *should* be available, yet, ana/image reveals no  symbol of that name.  N If ana/image doesn't give one all the symbols available to an application when7 it links against a shareable image, what command does ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:51:56 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>  Subject: Re: As seen in WSJ 0 Message-ID: <cjrkht$7nr$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cjjnra$k0u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>Bob Ceculski wrote:  >> >>> >>>you are in left field as usual Andrew ... what will make or4 >>>break itanium as a viable chip are two things ... >>> 
 >>>1. OpenVMS 1 >>>2. the ev8 alpha team to make itanium ev8 like  >>> B >>>OpenVMS will make or break itanium ... that is the bottom lime! >>? >>Ignoring the patent absurdity of you accusing anyone of being : >>out in the left field lets instead exhamine your the two+ >>factors that you think will save Itanium.  >>
 >>1.	OpenVMS.  >>A >>OpenVMS systems revenues currently run at 50 million a quarter, 9 >>even if every single sale converts to Itanium (which is > >>unlikely) and even if that revenue then doubled, also pretty< >>unlikely given HP's lack of interest in OpenVMS that would9 >>only take the total systems revenues for OpenVMS to 400  >>million a year.  >>< >>Many people think that Itanium is destined for the dustbin7 >>now and that is based on a total market that is worth  >>~1.2 billion a year. >>; >>So your best case scenario for OpenVMS would increase the ; >>total systems revenues for itanium by 30%, this is a drop 9 >>in the ocean, Itanium needs to double its revenues this < >>year next year the year after that and the year after that" >>and it will still be off target. >> >>2.	The EV8 team. >>7 >>Some of the EV8 team have made it to Intel, most have 5 >>however have left to joind AMD etc and to be honest 8 >>whatever they do will be too late. The fate of Itanium; >>will be decided in the next 18 months and any impact from 3 >>the EV8 team will be well outside that timeframe.  >>1 >>As always your responses reveal more about your & >>wat you don't know that what you do. >>	 >>Regards  >>Andrew Harrison  >  > ? > volume is not the key ... creating acceptance and proving the 9 > chip is, and vms combined with the alpha team can prove : > itanium viable which would lead to market acceptance and> > increased sales on other platforms (even slowaris :)) ... so > again you fail to get it ...  : Really so imagine how your theory will work with Intel the! owners and developers of Itanium.   ; Guess what an argument that follows the lines of it doesn't - matter about volumes will play with Intel ???   7 Remember Intel doesn't have a platform (or much of one) < or services or OS an revenue stream that gets pulled through5 by each Itanium chip that is sold. They do make money 6 on support chipsets but HP, by far in away the largest; OEM doesn't buy from them, they also make some money out of ( compilers but again HP supply their own.  7 So all on all what Intel is interested in is volume and 9 if they don't get it they won't be interested any longer.   = But thanks for lettimg me know that I failed to get it again.    Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2004 03:16:56 -0700 . From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)3 Subject: Re: DecWindows performance on old hardware < Message-ID: <224291b.0410040216.52d7421a@posting.google.com>   Ulrich,   C During the V1.3 development there was an issue with the performance E creating a DECterm remotely. That was fixed. After the fix I timed it D as 2.4 seconds to create a DECterm, which was the same as on V1.2-6.  < AlphaStation 400 4/233 displaying to a PC running eXcursion.  E I'm having difficulty seeing how the PF1-PF3 sequence can ever become E confused. As long as the Linux display server sends key down PF1, key < up PF1, key down PF3, key up PF3 then there isn't any timingD considerations that I can see in the terminal controller processing.C Of course if the key up PF1 and key down PF3 order is reversed then F there will be issues but the client software has no control over that.   ---   @ Regarding running the 1.2-5 CDE login screen on V7.3-2. Try "runF CDE$PATH:DECW$LOGINOUT". It should load and ACCVIO (because that isn'tB how it is supposed to run). However, if there are image activationC problems you may get messages to tell what images are incompatible.    Regards,   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:57:20 +0200 5 From: Ulrich Bellgardt <Ulrich.bellgardt@debitel.net> 3 Subject: Re: DecWindows performance on old hardware 6 Message-ID: <416180f1$0$9618$9b622d9e@news.freenet.de>   Martin Kirby wrote: 	 > Ulrich,  > E > During the V1.3 development there was an issue with the performance G > creating a DECterm remotely. That was fixed. After the fix I timed it F > as 2.4 seconds to create a DECterm, which was the same as on V1.2-6. > G How was that fixed? Is there a newer version around than the one I have  at home (V1.3-1)?    [...]   G > I'm having difficulty seeing how the PF1-PF3 sequence can ever become G > confused. As long as the Linux display server sends key down PF1, key > > up PF1, key down PF3, key up PF3 then there isn't any timingF > considerations that I can see in the terminal controller processing.  A You are right.Now that I think of it, the PF1-PF3 sequence is not E a good example of poor DecWindows performance. I further studied that C phenomenon and realized that in DWMOTIF V1.2-5 the sequence PF1-PF3 ; did exactly what I expected even if the PF1 key was not yet : released when pressing PF3, while V1.3 seems to expect theE distinct sequence "PF1 - Release_PF1 - PF3 - Release_PF3 - [type what ? I'm looking for]". Maybe I should exercise precision in typing.    [...]   B > Regarding running the 1.2-5 CDE login screen on V7.3-2. Try "runH > CDE$PATH:DECW$LOGINOUT". It should load and ACCVIO (because that isn't > how it is supposed to run).   E I tried this, and DECW$LOGINOUT crashes with ACCVIO as you predicted. A Afterwards, DTGREET is active but no login screen. Apart from the > stack dump, which does not tell me very much, I do not see any further messages.   
 > Regards, >  > Martin Kirby    8 Thanks for the time you spent thinking about my problem.     -Uli   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:11:02 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>A Subject: Re: DSN/WIS Retirement -> ITRC "Natural Language Search" + Message-ID: <2sd7g7F1j7dadU1@uni-berlin.de>    Bradford J. Hamilton wrote:  >...F > I tried a search using tcpip$telnetsym - the first ten articles wereD > all relevant (including WIZARD references, again).  Some hits even > included ucx$telnetsym.  > E > Perhaps someone at hp was listening, and has fixed the problem? :-)  >...  D Unfortunately, no. You were lucky since "telnetsym" is a unique wordG that would only appear in the articles you were looking for. But if you G were searching for something that when the underscores and dollar signs C get removed is not unique then you are in trouble. For instance the H SYSGEN parameter CHECK_CLUSTER would be parsed into CHECK and CLUSTER soD instead of getting documents that contain CHECK_CLUSTER you will get9 documents that contain CHECK and CLUSTER. Same thing with D $CREATE_USER_PROFILE, instead searching for $CREATE_USER_PROFILE theE search engine HP is using will search for CREATE and USER and PROFILE ) and return thousands of useless articles.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2004 03:22:20 EDT ) From: cook@wvnvms.wvnet.edu (George Cook)  Subject: Re: light browser? ! Message-ID: <h5OthsQe+mq0@wvnvms>   \ In article <415DEEFB.20AE49FC@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > George Cook wrote:A >> Version 3.8 of VMS Mosaic should be released by early November D >> (prior to the next Freeware CD deadline on the 8th).  The current >> list of changes:  >  > Two suggestions:  O > update the title bar as soon as you get the <title> tag (right now it updates ! > at the end of the page loading.  > / > have an "open link in new window" capability.   G I will try to get at least one of them in 3.8, but the first one may be F non-trivial if I run into problems implementing the required callback.     George Cook  WVNET    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 03:54:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: light browser? , Message-ID: <4161019F.90D18EF7@teksavvy.com>   George Cook wrote:I > I will try to get at least one of them in 3.8, but the first one may be H > non-trivial if I run into problems implementing the required callback.  N Actually, come to think of it, instead of updating the title bar as soon as toK parse the <TITLE> in the html, perhaps an easier one would be to update the N URL text entry box with the new url as soon as the user has clicked on a link.  G This way, the user has a better instant confirmation that his click was D received, especially in circumcstances where it takes time for a TCP5 connection to be established (or be declared failed).    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 05:59:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: MAIL Profile (callable mail) USER fields , Message-ID: <41611EE1.D5B45DC1@teksavvy.com>  J In the MAILDEF header files, there are 3 "user" fields in the mail profile which can be set/cleared/read.  2 MAIL$_USER_USER1	MAIL$_USER_USER2	MAIL$_USER_USER3  M Does anyone know if there is documentation on WHAT these fields can be set to L ? Are they just bit fields (or or off) or can they be strings ? (of so, what the max length of each ?)   N Also, if using  MAIL$USERxxxx callable mail routines, is there a supported wayP to coax the routines to read a file other than sys$system:vmsmail_profile.data ?  M If it is a logical that need to be defined, can it be user mode or must it be  systewide ?   N (for instance if testing a utility that works with the profile, one would want to test on a copy of it :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 09:47:59 GMT 3 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Glendale.CA.US> 3 Subject: Re: Need LK461 keyboard and 3 button mouse = Message-ID: <j%88d.23883$QJ3.1946@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>    James Nykiel wrote:  > Greetings: >  > G > I am in the process of putting together an AlphaStation 200 system on H > which to learn OpenVMS.  I would like to obtain the following items to+ > help complete my AlphaStation 200 system.  > * > (1) LK461-A2 - 108 Key OpenVMS Keyboard.  > (1) PCXAS-AB - 3 Button Mouse. > L > I have recently checked eBay but have had no luck in locating these items.K > If you have either or both of these items and the are in decent condition F > I would be interested in purchasing them if the price is right as my* > budget is somewhat limited at this time. >  > Note:  > I > I am not sure if the PCXAS-AB 3 Button Mouse is the best choice for use J > with an AlphaStation 200 running OpenVMS and DECWindows.  I know I couldL > probably use almost any brand PS/2 mouse but would like to stay with a DEC > mouse. >  >  > Thank you... - James Nykiel     B    I recently purchased both these items for an XP1000 that didn'tB come with keyboard and mouse from Great Lakes Computer.  (ActuallyG Mouse was HP equivalent) Price was reasonable.  www.glcomp.com  Ask for  Dani, tell her I sent you.   -- Vance Haemmerle    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2004 08:35:30 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 3 Subject: Re: Need LK461 keyboard and 3 button mouse 3 Message-ID: <MSgPqUKIXt8U@eisner.encompasserve.org>   B In article <04100308583841@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:> > From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> > B >> >   I am unaware that there were ever PS2-compatible DECburgers > G >> The DECburger application to my knowledge has always been free with  P >> DECWindows, compatible with all supported pointing devices and the source is % >> also shipped with the application.  >> [...] > J >    I was referring to the hardware "DECburger", that is, the old, round,J > domed mouse (model VSXXX-AA), not the software "DECburger".  I apologize& > for any confusion I may have caused.  G    More commonly called the hockey puck.  I'm using one right now and I <    still think the two-cylinder model should have caught on.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2004 09:23:45 -0700 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)V Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS')< Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410040823.88cf934@posting.google.com>  W "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message news:<g-CdnSROmfrxMv3cRVn-jg@igs.net>...  > Alex Daniels wrote: - > > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18848  > >  > > Alex >  > L > Haven't you heard....there'll never be another OpenVMS workstation. HP has" > killed its Itanic workstations,.  B As I said in another post: wait for the Itanium blades. May be you6 can use them as workstations in a Blade-PC-like model.     Regards    FC   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2004 11:37:59 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) V Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS')3 Message-ID: <v9mYvFkNZwZ9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   m In article <f30679fb.0410040823.88cf934@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:  > D > As I said in another post: wait for the Itanium blades. May be you8 > can use them as workstations in a Blade-PC-like model.  E    With what for an Xserver?  My VXT 2000+ is a bit long in the tooth A    already and I don't intent to spend my time mapping keyboards.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 02:03:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ! Subject: OT: World chocolate week , Message-ID: <4160E7AF.17C4D219@teksavvy.com>    Ok, so this is **REALLY** OT ...  F But it this monday is the first day of the first World Chocolate week.  < It is a $0 billion (thousand million) dolar a year industry.  N (howvere, for those of us who do eat chocolate while writing and maintaing VMS  code, this is perhaps not so OT.  J Now, if an industry can convince whoever is responsible for the "World XXXK week" title, perhaps HP could convince that body to have a World VMS week ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 06:59:04 GMT # From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> , Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?= Message-ID: <Yw68d.13591$5O5.7386@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   5 "John Brandon" <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message + news:04093015192695@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... 
 > My problem:  > I > I have a group of users that were given full system priveleges in order  for J > them to excute SHOW DEVICE /FILES and issue REPLY messages to users that0 > were in specific command procedures on a disk. > L > In an effort to remove these priveleges I have written an application that usesJ > $SNDJBC to execute a command procedure under a priveleged account.  ThisG > procedure performs SHOW DEVICE /FILES and REPLY messages for the user 	 group and . > reports back the users that were identified. > J > The $SNDJBC application works but has one too many points of failure and (IMHO)F > is a sloppy way of acomplishing the task.  I would like to make this fairly > simple and stream-lined. > : Doesn't reply /to use terminal id rather than user groups?E To send a message to a terminal you can use the $brkthru or $brkthruw 	 services, F while to get the terminal of a user you could use the $getjpi service.H To emulate show dev /files to find out your active users is more tricky,B however there is always a lock taken out when RMS accesses a file,D so if you were to investigate the lock details using SDA, you may be4 able to use the $getlki service to find these locks.L On vms doing this in fortran is no more difficult than in any other language :)C Another approach would be to change your application dcl procedures A so that they start by writing some details to a pseudo-lock file, C and then delete this file on completion. Then the contents of these @ "lock-files" is your list for $brkthru messages, if you're going= to this trouble you might as well include $forcex and $delprc  for recalcitrant users.  Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 03:38:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?, Message-ID: <4160FDEC.A420C330@teksavvy.com>   Phil wrote: E > Another approach would be to change your application dcl procedures C > so that they start by writing some details to a pseudo-lock file, * > and then delete this file on completion.  L This is what is used to allow "cluster" application on Unix cluster-wannabesJ due to lack of distributed lock manager. The problem arises (often) when aK user process terminates abnormally, and the pseudo-lock file remains on the N file system, blockinmg that file to perpetuity, unless ou run a deamon processA that constantly sweeps those files and deletes the orphaned ones.   Q You are far better having the user application take a specific non blocking lock.   J The master process can the use SYS$GETLKI to get a list of PIDs  that haveI taken that lock.  You could then use those pids to get usernames for each G process (and whether interactive or not), and then user the $brkthru to G broadcast to all those users. (I belive there is a way to send a single R boradcats to a list of terminals, but it has been a long while since I used this).   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:24:07 GMT # From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> , Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?> Message-ID: <Hhb8d.14062$5O5.11862@news-server.bigpond.net.au>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4160FDEC.A420C330@teksavvy.com...
 > Phil wrote: G > > Another approach would be to change your application dcl procedures E > > so that they start by writing some details to a pseudo-lock file, , > > and then delete this file on completion. > = > This is what is used to allow "cluster" application on Unix  cluster-wannabesL > due to lack of distributed lock manager. The problem arises (often) when aI > user process terminates abnormally, and the pseudo-lock file remains on  the H > file system, blockinmg that file to perpetuity, unless ou run a deamon process C > that constantly sweeps those files and deletes the orphaned ones. F As these are dcl procedures $ on error goto cleanup should handle this > D > You are far better having the user application take a specific non blocking lock. > E In this case I don't think he has much control over the "application" L > The master process can the use SYS$GETLKI to get a list of PIDs  that haveK > taken that lock.  You could then use those pids to get usernames for each I > process (and whether interactive or not), and then user the $brkthru to I > broadcast to all those users. (I belive there is a way to send a single H > boradcats to a list of terminals, but it has been a long while since I used this). H In dcl you can reply to a single terminal, a list /to=(tna123:,tna124) a cluster K node  /node= or /all, however the system service only allows the all option K or a single terminal (or username - this may have been added recently, as I ) only recall using this with terminal ids) I I agree that using getlki would be the way to do this (given enough time) + but I am glad that I don't have to code it!  Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:49:30 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>, Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?, Message-ID: <4161710A.3060107@tsoft-inc.com>   Phil wrote:   < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:4160FDEC.A420C330@teksavvy.com... > 
 >>Phil wrote:  >>F >>>Another approach would be to change your application dcl proceduresD >>>so that they start by writing some details to a pseudo-lock file,+ >>>and then delete this file on completion.  >>> = >>This is what is used to allow "cluster" application on Unix  >> > cluster-wannabes > L >>due to lack of distributed lock manager. The problem arises (often) when aI >>user process terminates abnormally, and the pseudo-lock file remains on  >> > the  > H >>file system, blockinmg that file to perpetuity, unless ou run a deamon >>	 > process  > C >>that constantly sweeps those files and deletes the orphaned ones.  >>H > As these are dcl procedures $ on error goto cleanup should handle this > D >>You are far better having the user application take a specific non >> > blocking lock. > G > In this case I don't think he has much control over the "application"  > L >>The master process can the use SYS$GETLKI to get a list of PIDs  that haveK >>taken that lock.  You could then use those pids to get usernames for each I >>process (and whether interactive or not), and then user the $brkthru to I >>broadcast to all those users. (I belive there is a way to send a single H >>boradcats to a list of terminals, but it has been a long while since I >>
 > used this). J > In dcl you can reply to a single terminal, a list /to=(tna123:,tna124) a	 > cluster M > node  /node= or /all, however the system service only allows the all option M > or a single terminal (or username - this may have been added recently, as I + > only recall using this with terminal ids) K > I agree that using getlki would be the way to do this (given enough time) - > but I am glad that I don't have to code it!  > Phil >  >  >   Q There are some freeware solutions that could be used as guidelines.  The last CD  N included RMS_LOCKS, a utility written in BASIC that I submitted.  Adding some O search criteria would be rather simple.  There are some others, one written by  Q (from memory) David Sneldon (spelling?).  It can be 'interesting', but with some   guides not too difficult.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:04:57 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>, Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?+ Message-ID: <2sde5sF1jiqeaU1@uni-berlin.de>    David Froble wrote:  >...@ > This isn't a unique situation.  I've wished for a programmableG > interface to the DIRECTORY command's capabilities.  Doing it yourself  > is a pain in the ass.  >...  H Have you  looked at Chapter 5 of the Utility Routines manual? This talks4 about the Common File Qualifier routines, especiallyE UTIL$CQUAL_FILE_MATCH. Unless I completely misunderstand what you are  asking for, I think this is it.    --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:42:07 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@s_u_n.com> , Subject: Re: Tiny pickings for Itanium OEM's0 Message-ID: <cjruh4$d5u$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote:T > In article <j-ednaysLOC4BsDcRVn-qg@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: >  > L >>For as much Sun-bashing that has gone one, and the dot-bomb jokes, Sun hasK >>shown itself to be a nimble and innovative competitor in the marketplace, M >>and certainly has outmarketed Digital, Compaq, and HP in turn every step of 
 >>the way. >  > 7 > 	You trot out this wonderful mythology, but it has no 6 > 	basis in fact.  It is history, not current reality. >  > 	Once again... > 2 > 	Sun has done little more than shed market share= > 	for 2 years or so, went 10 quarters with declining revenue ; > 	year over year, the stock has bounced from $2-$6 dollars   > 	per share the past 2 years... > 7 Ahh but then the revenue decline stopped didn't it Rob.   : And at the same time Sun has embraced AMD, taken 1st place> in the AMD64 market from HP and IBM started to win significant? amounts of anuity software revenues with JES and JDS and signed < a deal with Fujitsu that increases SPARC's competitive ness.  : So while Sun's market share has declide because of the dot7 com crash and the decline in spending in Sun's two main : markets Finance and Telco Sun has not sat on its corporate hands and done nothing.   : At the same time HP buffered by the huge profits generated7 by Printing and Imaging has basically sat on its hands.   8 The next big thing Adaptive Enterprise has recently lost0 its R&D funding forcing HP to aquire or partner.  ; The Enterprise Group has lost Storage and UNIX market share 5 and is still not profitable while the PC and Services 7 divisions are increasing revenues but at the expense of  margin.   8 Many analysts now conclude that Sun is making a credible5 attempt at re-inventing themselves, the same analysts 3 are rather less happy about the state of the nation  at HP.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2004 06:07:43 -0700  From: arut@post.com (asm) ) Subject: VAX/VMS in industrial automation < Message-ID: <c8b782e3.0410040507.6ab70c5@posting.google.com>   Hi All,   @ I have come across Vax/VMS being used in steel plant automation,6 but couldn't quite understand if it is an RTOS or not.   VMS - virtual memory systems  , Not normally encountered in realtime systems  = What kind of scheduling does VAX/VMS use and if it is an RTOS  what features make it an RTOS.   Please clarify.    Thanks,  ASM    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2004 08:43:26 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: VAX/VMS in industrial automation 3 Message-ID: <9R2nYlisKiVa@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <c8b782e3.0410040507.6ab70c5@posting.google.com>, arut@post.com (asm) writes:	 > Hi All,  > B > I have come across Vax/VMS being used in steel plant automation,8 > but couldn't quite understand if it is an RTOS or not. >  > VMS - virtual memory systems  . > Not normally encountered in realtime systems > ? > What kind of scheduling does VAX/VMS use and if it is an RTOS   > what features make it an RTOS.  @    VMS is a general purpose OS:  it combines features needed forF    timesharing and realtime.  For example low priorities are scheduledG    round robin and tweaked to give everybody some time, high priorities     are scheduled pre-emptively.      G    So VMS is not a pure RTOS like VxWorks et. al., but it has very good G    RTOS capabilities, such as determinism.  We use it for real time all B    the time where pure timesharing systems like a traditional UNIX    just can't hack it.    ;    It also has pre-emptive realtime shceduling capabilities    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:51:16 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>- Subject: Re: VAX/VMS in industrial automation / Message-ID: <41613934.27054.17AFACA5@localhost>   ? > What kind of scheduling does VAX/VMS use and if it is an RTOS   > what features make it an RTOS.  E OpenVMS (the latest name for VAX/VMS) is a general-purpose operating  * system (see http://www.hp.com/go/openvms).  F That being said, the designers included real-time programming in VMS. C I do the software development for a product called CRISP/32. I use  E the real-time features heavily in CRISP/32, which is used in mission- 8 critical process control systems, including steel mills.  D On a VMS system, there are 32 (VAX) or 64 (Alpha, Itanium) priority C levels.  On priorities less than 16, processes do traditional time- > slicing like any other operating system (Windows, Unix, etc.).  D Starting at priority 16, a process that needs the CPU pre-empts all D processes of lower priority, computing until it's done (or until an C even higher priority needs the CPU).  This is the very heart of an   RTOS.   C Because of its general-purpose nature, there's no need to do cross- D platform development, like some embedded systems.  Software is very & comfortably developed directly on VMS.  B Also, because it's a general-purpose operating system, all of the A things that you need in today's world (TCP/IP, etc.) are readily  9 available.  You can even run X-windows, web servers, etc.   
 --Stan Quayle  Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA 0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 11:23:31 -0600 " From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>- Subject: Re: VAX/VMS in industrial automation 0 Message-ID: <1tmdnbtFh-QcG_zcRVn-vg@bresnan.com>  
 asm wrote:  	 > Hi All,  > B > I have come across Vax/VMS being used in steel plant automation,8 > but couldn't quite understand if it is an RTOS or not. >  > VMS - virtual memory systems  . > Not normally encountered in realtime systems > ? > What kind of scheduling does VAX/VMS use and if it is an RTOS   > what features make it an RTOS. >  > Please clarify.  >   F In DEC schools, they told us to set the process priority to 16.  That I forces it into real time.  All other processes are pre-empted until that  F process finishes.  But that was in the days of the VAX.  I don't know $ how the Alpha hardware handles that.   --  ! ---------------------------------  The Golden Years Sux.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:06:09 -0400* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>F Subject: Re: Why do I need Read access to a directory, to WRITE to it?3 Message-ID: <pPb8d.3064$KF.24062@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>C  I I tried this on VMS, to compare the behaviour with that of Windows, as my J co-worker was trying to setup an FTP site where people could upload files,B while not being allowed to see other files already in that folder.  G I found out VMS does the same as Windows in that regard (must have Read " permission to write to the folder)  L The problem was resolved by setting protections to disallow read, on the FTP site virtual directory in IIS.6 So the IIS protection applies, on top of the folder's.   Thanks to all who respondedb   -- I Syltremt   OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address---FJ "Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER" <peter@langstoeger.at> a crit dans le message- de news:newscache$gg3z4i$4bq$1@news.sil.at... 7 > In article <415DC4AE.D1CD9E2A@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezeia& <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >Syltrem wrote:/F > >> Why do I need the Read privilege on the directory to write to it? > >oI > >Because in order to update the actual directory file, you need to ready its-G > >structures, update the structures and write them back. Creating filea inside a5 > >dirtectory requires you update the directory file.. >.H > While this is logical and true, I think every system manager asked theL > same question before (how can a user copy a file into an archive directory1 > without being able to read the whole archive)..n >o > -- u > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER4' > Network and OpenVMS system specialist  > E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atH > A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:32:24 GMTs# From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au>t Subject: Re: WRQ OpenVMS Surveyn= Message-ID: <spb8d.14075$5O5.5275@news-server.bigpond.net.au>t  6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:415C3064.8060909@MMaz.com...: > Hal Kuff wrote:  >M6 > >http://websurveyor.net/wsb.dll/12108/OpenVMS_04.htm > >s > >bG > This isn't a survey, this is just gathering contact & marketing data!o >w2 They are probably doing their sums on whether it's# worth it to port vaxlink to itaniumo Phil   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.551 ************************