1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 06 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 555       Contents:) Re: AlphaServer DS10L - IDE disk question  Re: As seen in WSJ Re: As seen in WSJ Re: As seen in WSJ Re: As seen in WSJ Re: As seen in WSJ Backup & NFS Re: Backup & NFS Re: Backup & NFS% Re: C Decompiler for HP Alpha OpenVMS  Re: DCL-like syntax standard Re: DCL-like syntax standard" Re: DEC C: printf %.*s versus %*.s0 Re: DECC: sizeof assigned to single byte integer) Re: DECwindows: UIL multilanguage support # Re: Disabling Video Card for X Boot # Re: Disabling Video Card for X Boot # Re: Disabling Video Card for X Boot  Form feeds and CANON IR3300 + HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers # Re: Inserting PF1 into a batch file # Re: Inserting PF1 into a batch file  Re: light browser? Re: light browser? Re: light browser?B Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not anyM Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') M Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') M Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') M Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') P Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') ot Re: OpenVMS newbie Re: OpenVMS newbie Re: OpenVMS newbie Re: OpenVMS newbie OpenVMS non-advertising today / Re: Rules for commenting out continuation lines # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? + Re: Sun can't invent - resorts to stealing!  Re: Tel. Co. Sys. Op.? Re: Tel. Co. Sys. Op.?$ Re: Update Multiple decnet databases$ Re: Update Multiple decnet databases$ Re: Update Multiple decnet databases$ Re: VAX/VMS in industrial automation$ Re: VAX/VMS in industrial automation vms and fibre channel  Re: vms and fibre channel  Re: vms and fibre channel  Re: vms and fibre channel  Re: vms and fibre channel D Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] What Priv for SET SECURITY/CLASS=DEVICE ?D Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] What Priv for SET SECURITY/CLASS=DEVICE ?2 Re: [OT]: Software Disasters Often People Problems  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 10:38:47 +0200 C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann) 2 Subject: Re: AlphaServer DS10L - IDE disk question- Message-ID: <4163af17$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>   H In article <cjv5ad$1k1o$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu>, bjj101@arlvax.arl.psu.edu writes: ) >There's still the IDE performance issue.  > 5 >On a DS10L running VMS 7.3-2, I measure read speeds:  >  >	IDE	 2.5 MByte/Second  >	SCSI	71 Mbyte/Second > 0 >In article <415291e4$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>,) >   "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> writes:  >>Thank you all for your help  >>C >>The answer would appear be to get a (max) 120Gb drive with 33Mb/s  >config,( >>use the right cable and then have fun! >>) >>"stas" <stas@amtel.ru> wrote in message ' >>news:citvkv$nk0$1@e22.peterstar.ru...  >>> Gremlin wrote: >>> E >>> > Can a AlphaServer DS10L use a large IDE drive - say 200Gb?  The  >manuals >   J You should use a SCSI-IDE-Converter (i.e. from Acard), then it is possible. to use cheap IDE-drives on SCSI-based systems.  	 Eberhard     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:20:38 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com>  Subject: Re: As seen in WSJ 0 Message-ID: <ck0kea$5g0$3@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:  > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew No.Harrison No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cjtrui$3uu$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  >  >>dooley wrote:  >>J >>>fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f30679f >>/ >> b.0409290342.2dd606f5@posting.google.com>...  >>K >>>>Keith Parris <keithparris NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Oql6  >>( >> d.11915$m86.8560@news.cpqcorp.net>... >> >>>>>John Smith wrote: >>>>>  >>>>> 4 >>>>>>Hewlett-Packard Co. said it will stop offeringC >>>>>>desktop workstations based on Intel's Itanium microprocessor.  >>>>> ; >>>>>Business as usual, and zero impact on OpenVMS users...  >>>>> K >>>>>We haven't had OpenVMS workstations for many years on Alpha, either, b  >> >> ut  >>K >>>>>that hasn't stopped people from putting graphics cards into servers (o  >> >> r   >>G >>>>>simply leaving in the graphics card which comes with every server  G >>>>>anyway) and making their own workstations. Folks can and will use  K >>>>>rx1600, rx2600, even rx4640 systems as workstations under OpenVMS, and  >> >>   >>I >>>>>they'll continue to be supported by OpenVMS Engineering in doing so.  >>>>K >>>>Workstations would be an interesting choice for Industrial Automation,   >> >>   >>B >>>>LIMS, etc ...but for me it s important to have Itanium blades G >>>>to run OpenVMS clusters. These blades could be used as workstations 5 >>>>in a BladePC-like aproach. Any date of release ?   >>>> >>> / >>>HPs current "blade pc" uses transmeta chips, + >>>a Transmeta Efficeon TM8000 to be exact, 9 >>>is there going to be an opteron-like version of these?  >>>Phil  >>; >>HP are apparently developing Opteron based blades, Sun is ' >>definitely developing Opteron blades.  >  > ; > Sun has dropped it's development of Opteron based blades.   8 Ohh no it hasn't but feal free to provide any collateral you can to support your claim.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 05:28:08 -0700 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)  Subject: Re: As seen in WSJ = Message-ID: <734da31c.0410060428.1886335e@posting.google.com>   [ bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<2sft7oF1kg52nU1@uni-berlin.de>... ? > In article <734da31c.0410050717.314c604c@posting.google.com>, , > 	icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) writes: > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew No.Harrison No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cjtrui$3uu$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > >> dooley wrote:N > >> > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f30679f/ >  b.0409290342.2dd606f5@posting.google.com>...  > >> >  N > >> >>Keith Parris <keithparris NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Oql6( >  d.11915$m86.8560@news.cpqcorp.net>... > >> >>  > >> >>>John Smith wrote:  > >> >>>7 > >> >>>>Hewlett-Packard Co. said it will stop offering F > >> >>>>desktop workstations based on Intel's Itanium microprocessor. > >> >>>> > >> >>>Business as usual, and zero impact on OpenVMS users... > >> >>>N > >> >>>We haven't had OpenVMS workstations for many years on Alpha, either, b >  ut N > >> >>>that hasn't stopped people from putting graphics cards into servers (o >  r  J > >> >>>simply leaving in the graphics card which comes with every server J > >> >>>anyway) and making their own workstations. Folks can and will use N > >> >>>rx1600, rx2600, even rx4640 systems as workstations under OpenVMS, and >   L > >> >>>they'll continue to be supported by OpenVMS Engineering in doing so. > >> >> N > >> >>Workstations would be an interesting choice for Industrial Automation,  >   E > >> >>LIMS, etc ...but for me it s important to have Itanium blades  J > >> >>to run OpenVMS clusters. These blades could be used as workstations8 > >> >>in a BladePC-like aproach. Any date of release ?  > >> >>  > >> >  3 > >> > HPs current "blade pc" uses transmeta chips, / > >> > a Transmeta Efficeon TM8000 to be exact, = > >> > is there going to be an opteron-like version of these?  > >> > Phil  > >>  > > >> HP are apparently developing Opteron based blades, Sun is* > >> definitely developing Opteron blades. > > = > > Sun has dropped it's development of Opteron based blades.  > F > Care to justify this?  A quick search using Google turned up severalF > pages of articles announcing Sun's plans for Opteron Blades and none* > announcing they had abandoned this plan.  B No, I cannot justify it. It is in fact wrong, by intent. Andrew isD selective about truth and I did a test here to see if he would catchA this. He seems to be able to spread other things (not Sun things) / unjustified without getting any responses here.    And, it is fun to tease. ;)    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 12:33:42 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: As seen in WSJ + Message-ID: <2si716F1jbgn0U3@uni-berlin.de>   = In article <734da31c.0410060428.1886335e@posting.google.com>, * 	icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) writes:] > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<2sft7oF1kg52nU1@uni-berlin.de>... @ >> In article <734da31c.0410050717.314c604c@posting.google.com>,- >> 	icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) writes:  >> > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew No.Harrison No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cjtrui$3uu$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... >> >> dooley wrote: O >> >> > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) wrote in message news:<f30679f 0 >>  b.0409290342.2dd606f5@posting.google.com>... >> >> > O >> >> >>Keith Parris <keithparris NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<Oql6 ) >>  d.11915$m86.8560@news.cpqcorp.net>...  >> >> >> >> >> >>>John Smith wrote:	 >> >> >>> 8 >> >> >>>>Hewlett-Packard Co. said it will stop offeringG >> >> >>>>desktop workstations based on Intel's Itanium microprocessor. 	 >> >> >>> ? >> >> >>>Business as usual, and zero impact on OpenVMS users... 	 >> >> >>> O >> >> >>>We haven't had OpenVMS workstations for many years on Alpha, either, b  >>  ut  O >> >> >>>that hasn't stopped people from putting graphics cards into servers (o  >>  r K >> >> >>>simply leaving in the graphics card which comes with every server  K >> >> >>>anyway) and making their own workstations. Folks can and will use  O >> >> >>>rx1600, rx2600, even rx4640 systems as workstations under OpenVMS, and  >>  M >> >> >>>they'll continue to be supported by OpenVMS Engineering in doing so.  >> >> >>O >> >> >>Workstations would be an interesting choice for Industrial Automation,   >>  F >> >> >>LIMS, etc ...but for me it s important to have Itanium blades K >> >> >>to run OpenVMS clusters. These blades could be used as workstations 9 >> >> >>in a BladePC-like aproach. Any date of release ?   >> >> >> >> >> > 4 >> >> > HPs current "blade pc" uses transmeta chips,0 >> >> > a Transmeta Efficeon TM8000 to be exact,> >> >> > is there going to be an opteron-like version of these? >> >> > Phil >> >> ? >> >> HP are apparently developing Opteron based blades, Sun is + >> >> definitely developing Opteron blades.  >> >  > >> > Sun has dropped it's development of Opteron based blades. >>  G >> Care to justify this?  A quick search using Google turned up several G >> pages of articles announcing Sun's plans for Opteron Blades and none + >> announcing they had abandoned this plan.  > D > No, I cannot justify it. It is in fact wrong, by intent. Andrew isF > selective about truth and I did a test here to see if he would catchC > this. He seems to be able to spread other things (not Sun things) 1 > unjustified without getting any responses here.   * You seem to have confused Andrew with Bob.   >  > And, it is fun to tease. ;)   
 Hmmmmmm......    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:38:39 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com>  Subject: Re: As seen in WSJ 0 Message-ID: <ck0p0i$73q$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   David Svensson wrote:   D > No, I cannot justify it. It is in fact wrong, by intent. Andrew isF > selective about truth and I did a test here to see if he would catchC > this. He seems to be able to spread other things (not Sun things) 1 > unjustified without getting any responses here.  >   5 Really so how about providing some examples of this ?    > And, it is fun to tease. ;)   , Its even more fun to call someones bluff. :)   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 05:47:14 -0700 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson)  Subject: Re: As seen in WSJ < Message-ID: <734da31c.0410060447.9f6da01@posting.google.com>  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41630E32.7E574740@teksavvy.com>...  > David Svensson wrote:  > P > > Not true. Most (I heard from a good source, _all_) EV8 people work at Intel. > L > Did they have a choice ? Didn't Compaq "sell" them like slaves to Intel as > part of the deal ?  * Yes, in your world. In the real world. No.  8 Didn't their employment automatically go to Intel ? (eg:L > employees transfered). And they woudln't have had much time to quit Comapq+ > before the transfer was executed anyways.  > $ > How many would STILL be at Intel ?  4 From what I know, all except a few who have retired.  K > Remember that EV7 folks stayed at Compaq/HP until EV7 was completed, well P > after the June 25 2001 mistake. They would therefore have had the time to findM > other employment before they were told they no longer were needed by Compaq % > but would be offered jobs at Intel.   A Intel made very good offers and they are not likely to get better F deals in the industry elsewhere. Besides, there are not that many waysF to go to if they want to continue working on high-end CPUs, and one of; them said, informally, that working on Itanium was the most A interesting thing they could do, because it was such a challenge. = Another thing is that they don't have to move to go to Intel.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:40:31 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Backup & NFS * Message-ID: <ck0i2v$i7n$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Hi all,   C I'm trying to backup NFS mounted filesystems to tape using the VMS   backup command.  I get some weird errors:  L %BACKUP-E-OPENDIR, error opening directory TARANTELLA$ROOT:[HOME.JOUKJ.PLOT]" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileG %BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening TARANTELLA$ROOT:[HOME.JOUKJ]PLOT.DIR;1   as input" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file  B The error ocuurs when the NFS mounted file systems are physically F located on a PC with Fedora core 2. (File systems located on an Alpha & with Redhat 7.x seem to be unaffected)I The files which "cannot be found" are always directory files, and always   the same directory files.   > I'm running OpenVMS 7.3-2 with HP-TCP/IP-services V5.4 - ECO 2  4 Anybody any idea where to look to solve the problem:=       is it HP--TCP/IP so that I can use my service contract? 8       or is the problem more likely to be Fedora core 2?                    Jouk    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:05:37 +02003 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@nospam.hp.com>  Subject: Re: Backup & NFS * Message-ID: <4163d289@usenet01.boi.hp.com>   Hi,   L most probably you have problems with directory protection and maybe with NFS" user authorization on this server.3 Check user mapping on PC and proxy settings on VMS.    Hope this help, Gorazd   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:11:42 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Re: Backup & NFS * Message-ID: <ck0ndu$joa$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Gorazd Kikelj wrote: > Hi,  > N > most probably you have problems with directory protection and maybe with NFS$ > user authorization on this server.5 > Check user mapping on PC and proxy settings on VMS.  >  > Hope this help, Gorazd >  > G The mounts are done with root-permission and when I do a "set def" and  H "dir" I just get the contents using exactly the same account (which has   the priviledge BYPASS) as when IF issue the backup command. On the linux system some directories are OK C and some not, while having the same protections on the unix-system.    What else should I check?                  Jouk   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:52:57 GMT 4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>. Subject: Re: C Decompiler for HP Alpha OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <ZMS8d.173$615.144@news.cpqcorp.net>  I Uh.  Maybe it's because the output from srm_check probably isn't Macro-64 J syntax correct.  When I hacked up the srm_check code originally, it was toK dump an old image to find something (just like you were doing) - but I made G no effort to find out what the Macro64 syntax was -- which I have never  used.       @ "Hipenbecker, Doug" <hipenbecker.doug@mbco.com> wrote in messageH news:6A998621840A594EAFD672A543B14A0408F35E9F@usmbcusmkexmb01.mbc.com... > C > OK...curiosity killed the cat.  I ran into a bug where some old C I > executables compiled/linked as debug from 1995 won't run when switching  from: > an Alpha EV56 to Alpha EV67.  I'm going down the path toL > recompile/relink...but...I'm just curious on the assembler option.  By the7 > way, it is Macro-64...we have the compiler installed.  > K > I generated the macro (which is actually macro64) with srm_check command.  > D > I'm NOT a macro person, so I'm struggling with getting the compile > enviroment set up. > K > I'm getting errors with the '0xFFd0' format on the lda statement and with C > the '00030080' on the bsr statement and "too many parameters" jsr 
 > statements.  > K > Am I missing the boat here?...maybe you could advise.  I put the 1st four G > statements at the top and the one at the bottom...not sure if they're  > correct.  Here's a sample: > ! > .psect         code, exe, nowrt # > $routine LOAD_YCARDIN, kind=stack  > $linkage_section > $code_section ! >   lda            SP, 0xFFD0(SP)   >   bis            R31, 0x9, R25 >   stq            R27, (SP)  >   stq            R26, 0x18(SP) >   stq            R2, 0x20(SP)   >   stq            R29, 0x28(SP) >   bis            R31, SP, R29  >   bis            R31, R27, R2 ! >   lda            SP, 0xFFE0(SP)   >   ldq            R26, 0x28(R2)  >   lda            R0, 0x10(R29) >   stq            R0, (SP)  >   lda            R1, 0xC(R29)  >   stq            R1, 0x8(SP) >   lda            R0, 0x8(R29)   >   ldq            R27, 0x30(R2) >   stq            R0, 0x10(SP) & >   jsr            R26, (R26), 0x2B0C0" >   lda            R27, 0xFF78(R2)  >   bsr            R26, 00030080 > .. > .. > .End           LOAD_YCARDIN  >  > Any help would be a godsend. >  > Thx  > Douglas J Hipenbecker ! > Information Management Services  > Miller Brewing Company >  > -----Original Message-----; > From: Fred Kleinsorge [mailto:fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com] . > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:11 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 > Subject: Re: C Decompiler for HP Alpha OpenVMS >  > K > Something to turn it back into C or some other HLL?  No.  But you can get : > the Alpha "assembler" listing of the executable code by: > ' > $ mc srm_check -verbose -dump FOO.EXE  >  >  > = > "Doug Hipenbecker" <dhipenbecker@mbco.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d8809b28.0409290833.419cd358@posting.google.com...  > > Greetings... > > G > > Does anyone know if a decompiler for C executable exists for the HP  > > Alpha OpenVMS OS?  > >  > > Thanks in advance. > > Doug Hipenbecker > > Miller Brewing Co. >  > K > "This e-mail may contain confidential and/or legally proprietary material J for the sole use of the intended recipient.  Any review or distribution byF others is strictly prohibited.  If you are not the intended recipient,1 please contact the sender and delete all copies."    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:52:48 -0400* From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>% Subject: Re: DCL-like syntax standard 3 Message-ID: <3MS8d.3148$KF.25265@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   7 Gembase also uses the VMS syntax for its error messages 0 %MDDMAN-E-NOSUCHDF, Not attached to database FIN   Gembase was designed on VMS.   --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- @ "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> a crit dans le message de1 news:Xns9579DCD704E7Bdcovmsrox@212.100.160.123... J > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Fabio Cardoso wrote in news:f30679fb.0410050427.141089f4 > @posting.google.com  >  > > I have a doubt:  > > . > > Is the DCL-like syntax standard patented ? > > A > > Can I develop a utility for another plaform (Linux) using it?  > >  > > Example: > > . > >> COMMAND /PARAMETER  i.e.  SHOW /PARAMETER > E > I doubt if it is patented, and I thought that you'd been looking at  Gembase . > which unashamedly steals DCL-style syntax... >  > INPUT_BLOCK /ROW=x /COL=y  >  >  > Doc. > --  I > OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. I > http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------   Date: 06 Oct 2004 14:09:05 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> % Subject: Re: DCL-like syntax standard 7 Message-ID: <Xns957AA48729F6Ddcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   K %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Syltrem wrote in news:3MS8d.3148$KF.25265@tor-nn1.netcom.ca   9 > Gembase also uses the VMS syntax for its error messages 2 > %MDDMAN-E-NOSUCHDF, Not attached to database FIN  B I take that for granted, to me it's just a "normal" error message.   > Gembase was designed on VMS.  . As a successor to Pioneer's USERBASE language.  K Gembase continues to be developed on VMS.  Admittedly, the push is to sell  % the Windows or Unix version nowadays.   D What bugs me is this determination to give users the thin client or G iBrowser front-end instead of dumb terminal.  I know it's required for  H keeping up against packages like SAP, but for volume data entry nothing C beats a user who is familiar with the dumb terminal implementation.      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:49:39 GMT 4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>+ Subject: Re: DEC C: printf %.*s versus %*.s / Message-ID: <TJS8d.172$f55.49@news.cpqcorp.net>   I BTW - this is standard C stuff, a good ANSI C book will give you what you 
 need to know.     : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:41631794.37C4E6A1@teksavvy.com...
 > Z wrote: > >  > > JF Mezei wrote: G > > > Does anyone have the exact explanation of what "%*.s" does versus  "%.*s"  ???? > > + > > $ help cc run printf optional_character  > > % > > See "field width" and "precision"  > G > Mea culpa. It seems more obvious in the help. But even the bookreader  section L > (separate from printf in that version) mentions it, problem is that it has a J > whole list fo confersions letters in italic that stands out, but when it talks K > about the s format later on in the paragraph, it doesn't stand out at all D > since a single lowecase s letter doesn't stand out in a paragraph.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 08:58:14 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) 9 Subject: Re: DECC: sizeof assigned to single byte integer 3 Message-ID: <1aAcZUwTzYWR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <416309D9.8D568E92@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote: > 2 > Isn't sizeof ALWAYS evaluated by the compiler ?  >   G    I don't think the language standard requires this, but I can't think :    of any counter examples right now that work with DEC C.  G    Certainly C++ and Java have counter examples, but we were talking C.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:47:16 GMT 4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>2 Subject: Re: DECwindows: UIL multilanguage support0 Message-ID: <EHS8d.171$Y05.100@news.cpqcorp.net>  G If you understad the archane UNIX pathname environment variables, as of K Motif 1.2-6 they are supported.   But don't ask me to figure it out, I just L got it to work to pass some test suites.  These env variables have a strangeG syntax that is designed for this purpose.  Or you can just use Martin's  suggestion.       : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:41630CDE.9644222E@teksavvy.com... > Martin Kirby wrote:  > > I believe it will look in:	 > >    []  > >    DECW$USER_DEFAULTS: > >    DECW$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS: > L > I did a SET WATCH FILE once when an X application started, and it looks in a B > gazillion places. (including the current directory if I remember correctly).  > L > I guess it makes sense the way you described it. I just find that it makesH > management of an application more complex than it needs to be when you have" > files spread all over the place.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 01:08:48 -0700 . From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby), Subject: Re: Disabling Video Card for X Boot< Message-ID: <224291b.0410060008.3293ffa4@posting.google.com>  m John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message news:<thj5m01lh7cb3cmrj6fr6ude0j9sj15agb@4ax.com>... I > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:34:32 -0400, "Bobby Coleman" <colemanrl@ornl.gov>  > wrote: > O > >Is there any way to use this card (for ethernet/SCSI) alongside the Radeon?   >   D The manual that should describe this is the "Managing DECwindows forD OpenVMS" manual. We are currently updating that and have been makingA some additions and corrections to the description of the start-up & process so it is a little out of date.  E I believe the "correct" way to configure the set of devices is to use A the INIT point in the DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM file. You can F remove the setting of DECW$MULTI_HEAD symbol (as you are not wanting aE multi-headed server) and add a setting of DECW$PRIMARY_DEVICE logical  to tell it the device to use.   < Have a look at DECW$DEVICE.COM for the logic that uses this.   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:42:34 GMT 4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>, Subject: Re: Disabling Video Card for X Boot/ Message-ID: <eDS8d.170$625.47@news.cpqcorp.net>   L The "disable" on the card just disables the VGA mode (so it won't be seen asK a console device).  The device will still show up as a PCI graphics device. I The DECwindows startup will by default try to start on the first graphics % device it finds (based on bus order).   H The simple solution is to rename DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_STARTUP.TEMPLATE toL .COM and then edit the file.  Find the place where it displays the values of< DECW$DEVICE and DECW$DEVICE_COUNT.  Then put something like:   $ decw$device == "GHA0"  $ decw$device_count == 1  . To force the use of only that graphics device.      ; "Martin Kirby" <martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 6 news:224291b.0410060008.3293ffa4@posting.google.com...: > John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message4 news:<thj5m01lh7cb3cmrj6fr6ude0j9sj15agb@4ax.com>...K > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:34:32 -0400, "Bobby Coleman" <colemanrl@ornl.gov> 
 > > wrote: > > H > > >Is there any way to use this card (for ethernet/SCSI) alongside the Radeon?  > >  > F > The manual that should describe this is the "Managing DECwindows forF > OpenVMS" manual. We are currently updating that and have been makingC > some additions and corrections to the description of the start-up ( > process so it is a little out of date. > G > I believe the "correct" way to configure the set of devices is to use C > the INIT point in the DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM file. You can H > remove the setting of DECW$MULTI_HEAD symbol (as you are not wanting aG > multi-headed server) and add a setting of DECW$PRIMARY_DEVICE logical  > to tell it the device to use.  > > > Have a look at DECW$DEVICE.COM for the logic that uses this. >  > Martin Kirby   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 08:11:33 -0700 . From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby), Subject: Re: Disabling Video Card for X Boot< Message-ID: <224291b.0410060711.1a82b818@posting.google.com>  r martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby) wrote in message news:<224291b.0410060008.3293ffa4@posting.google.com>...o > John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> wrote in message news:<thj5m01lh7cb3cmrj6fr6ude0j9sj15agb@4ax.com>... K > > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:34:32 -0400, "Bobby Coleman" <colemanrl@ornl.gov> 
 > > wrote: > > Q > > >Is there any way to use this card (for ethernet/SCSI) alongside the Radeon?   > >  > F > The manual that should describe this is the "Managing DECwindows forF > OpenVMS" manual. We are currently updating that and have been makingC > some additions and corrections to the description of the start-up ( > process so it is a little out of date. > G > I believe the "correct" way to configure the set of devices is to use C > the INIT point in the DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM file. You can H > remove the setting of DECW$MULTI_HEAD symbol (as you are not wanting aG > multi-headed server) and add a setting of DECW$PRIMARY_DEVICE logical  > to tell it the device to use.   E I had a look at the manual and it does indeed describe this. However, 6 the correct way on Alpha is to set a global symbol forF DECW$PRIMARY_DEVICE rather than a logical. And comment out the setting of DECW$MULTI_HEAD.    Martin Kirby   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 08:23:50 -0700  From: tim267@msn.com (Tim)$ Subject: Form feeds and CANON IR3300= Message-ID: <327155b6.0410060723.5af9ac1f@posting.google.com>   ? Problem with CANON color printers only printing 1 page. Appears F problem is only with print files having imbedded form-feed characters.  F Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. (Backround information on how+ the environment is set is explained below.)    Thanks and regards,  Tim    I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- D Corporate wide our HP printers are being replaced by CANON printers.= IKON, the printer vendor, assured us the canon printers would 3 seamlessly replace the HP printers. They are wrong. A All HP modules had to be modified because vertical and horizontal B pitch is interpreted differently. We also had a problem with blankC pages and extra form feeds. All the above was corrected by modifing B print modules and setting UCX$TELNETSYM_surpress_form_feeds to 33.% UCX$TELNETSYM_RAW is also set to "1".    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:18:53 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 4 Subject: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers/ Message-ID: <h9T8d.176$G65.55@news.cpqcorp.net>   D HP has announced that in the past 18 months more than 200 customers B worldwide have chosen HP servers over Sun systems to help improve H agility in the datacenter and adapt rapidly to changing business needs. E By offering a portfolio of services and incentives with the broadest  D industry standard-based server line, HP has gained new customers in F financial services, manufacturing, retail, aerospace, bioinformatics, G telecommunications and the public sector. In financial services alone,  E HP has won more than 40 significant deals from Sun Microsystems, Inc.   G Press Release http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040921a.html   D More information about HP's migration services for Sun customers is " available at www.hp.com/go/eclipse  A More information about why more Sun customers are choosing HP is  ( available at www.hp.com/go/maketheswitch   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 14:22:50 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers+ Message-ID: <2siddqF1lkhm0U1@uni-berlin.de>   / In article <h9T8d.176$G65.55@news.cpqcorp.net>, 4 	Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:F > HP has announced that in the past 18 months more than 200 customers D > worldwide have chosen HP servers over Sun systems to help improve J > agility in the datacenter and adapt rapidly to changing business needs. G > By offering a portfolio of services and incentives with the broadest oF > industry standard-based server line, HP has gained new customers in H > financial services, manufacturing, retail, aerospace, bioinformatics, I > telecommunications and the public sector. In financial services alone, aG > HP has won more than 40 significant deals from Sun Microsystems, Inc.t > I > Press Release http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040921a.htmlE > F > More information about HP's migration services for Sun customers is $ > available at www.hp.com/go/eclipse > C > More information about why more Sun customers are choosing HP is d* > available at www.hp.com/go/maketheswitch  G What was your point?  According to the article it wasn't VMS.  The onlyn@ OSes mentioned are HPUX, Linux and Windows (no surprises there).   bill   -- sJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:28:35 -0700n# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers( Message-ID: <opsfgc5xxpzgicya@hyrrokkin>  E On 6 Oct 2004 14:22:50 GMT, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:e  1 > In article <h9T8d.176$G65.55@news.cpqcorp.net>,u6 > 	Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes:F >> HP has announced that in the past 18 months more than 200 customersD >> worldwide have chosen HP servers over Sun systems to help improveJ >> agility in the datacenter and adapt rapidly to changing business needs.G >> By offering a portfolio of services and incentives with the broadest F >> industry standard-based server line, HP has gained new customers inH >> financial services, manufacturing, retail, aerospace, bioinformatics,I >> telecommunications and the public sector. In financial services alone, H >> HP has won more than 40 significant deals from Sun Microsystems, Inc. >>J >> Press Release http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040921a.html >>F >> More information about HP's migration services for Sun customers is% >> available at www.hp.com/go/eclipsee >>C >> More information about why more Sun customers are choosing HP isa+ >> available at www.hp.com/go/maketheswitchi >sI > What was your point?  According to the article it wasn't VMS.  The onlyeB > OSes mentioned are HPUX, Linux and Windows (no surprises there).  E I think the point is that if you are Unix based you can easily switch]J  from one vendor to another in accordance with current fashion.  It alwaysF amazes me that HP wants to slug it out in those areas where it has the least distinctive edge   >- > bill >-       -- -C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 08:58:55 -0700u# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>s8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers( Message-ID: <opsfghchnazgicya@hyrrokkin>  5 On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:44:19 +0100, Andrew Harrison  i* <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> wrote:   > Keith Parris wrote:mH >> HP has announced that in the past 18 months more than 200 customers  F >> worldwide have chosen HP servers over Sun systems to help improve  L >> agility in the datacenter and adapt rapidly to changing business needs.  I >> By offering a portfolio of services and incentives with the broadest   H >> industry standard-based server line, HP has gained new customers in  J >> financial services, manufacturing, retail, aerospace, bioinformatics,  K >> telecommunications and the public sector. In financial services alone,  sH >> HP has won more than 40 significant deals from Sun Microsystems, Inc.K >>  Press Release http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040921a.html-I >>  More information about HP's migration services for Sun customers is   % >> available at www.hp.com/go/eclipsenF >>  More information about why more Sun customers are choosing HP is  + >> available at www.hp.com/go/maketheswitch  > B > Ammusing really, I work in what was HP's largest retail customerC > in Europe. Was because HP lost the datacenter systems business to A > Sun and all the new retail apps being deployed are being rolledo > out on Solaris.n >:A > The total systems revenues in this one account is equivalent to E > more than 6 months of the total OpenVMS worldwide systems revenues.O   And how much is that?8 >@ >s	 > Regardst > Andrew Harrison        -- :C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:13:32 +0100>9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com>s8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers0 Message-ID: <ck15jf$bab$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Tom Linden wrote:p7 > On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:44:19 +0100, Andrew Harrison  >, > <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> wrote: >  >> Keith Parris wrote: >>I >>> HP has announced that in the past 18 months more than 200 customers  lG >>> worldwide have chosen HP servers over Sun systems to help improve  eE >>> agility in the datacenter and adapt rapidly to changing business VH >>> needs.  By offering a portfolio of services and incentives with the E >>> broadest  industry standard-based server line, HP has gained new bH >>> customers in  financial services, manufacturing, retail, aerospace, B >>> bioinformatics,  telecommunications and the public sector. In I >>> financial services alone,  HP has won more than 40 significant deals   >>> from Sun Microsystems, Inc.sL >>>  Press Release http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040921a.htmlJ >>>  More information about HP's migration services for Sun customers is  & >>> available at www.hp.com/go/eclipseG >>>  More information about why more Sun customers are choosing HP is   , >>> available at www.hp.com/go/maketheswitch >> >>C >> Ammusing really, I work in what was HP's largest retail customerrD >> in Europe. Was because HP lost the datacenter systems business toB >> Sun and all the new retail apps being deployed are being rolled >> out on Solaris. >>B >> The total systems revenues in this one account is equivalent toF >> more than 6 months of the total OpenVMS worldwide systems revenues. >  >  > And how much is that?3 >   . The 6 monthly revenues for OpenVMS systems are around 100 million dollars   Regards  >> >>
 >> Regards >> Andrew Harrison >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:27:20 -0700o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>b8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers( Message-ID: <opsfginucvzgicya@hyrrokkin>  5 On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:13:32 +0100, Andrew Harrison  a* <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> wrote:   > Tom Linden wrote:89 >> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:44:19 +0100, Andrew Harrison   e- >> <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> wrote:  >> >>> Keith Parris wrote:> >>>sK >>>> HP has announced that in the past 18 months more than 200 customers   >I >>>> worldwide have chosen HP servers over Sun systems to help improve   eG >>>> agility in the datacenter and adapt rapidly to changing business  uJ >>>> needs.  By offering a portfolio of services and incentives with the  G >>>> broadest  industry standard-based server line, HP has gained new  iJ >>>> customers in  financial services, manufacturing, retail, aerospace,  D >>>> bioinformatics,  telecommunications and the public sector. In  K >>>> financial services alone,  HP has won more than 40 significant deals     >>>> from Sun Microsystems, Inc. >>>>  Press Release  a> >>>> http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/040921a.htmlL >>>>  More information about HP's migration services for Sun customers is   ' >>>> available at www.hp.com/go/eclipselI >>>>  More information about why more Sun customers are choosing HP is   a- >>>> available at www.hp.com/go/maketheswitchs >>>e >>>lD >>> Ammusing really, I work in what was HP's largest retail customerE >>> in Europe. Was because HP lost the datacenter systems business toeC >>> Sun and all the new retail apps being deployed are being rolleda >>> out on Solaris.  >>>fC >>> The total systems revenues in this one account is equivalent tovG >>> more than 6 months of the total OpenVMS worldwide systems revenues.s >>   And how much is that? >> >l0 > The 6 monthly revenues for OpenVMS systems are > around 100 million dollars% Does that include HW, SW and Service?  > 	 > Regardss >>>i >>>  >>> Regardso >>> Andrew Harrison  >>       -- bC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/e   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:40:29 +0000 (UTC)( From: m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer)8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers5 Message-ID: <ck175t$h0q$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>G  l In article <ck15jf$bab$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> writes: > 0 > The 6 monthly revenues for OpenVMS systems are > around 100 million dollars >   * how come that some people keep on claimingD it's a multibillion $ business on 400000 systems with 10 mio users ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:46:37 GMTv1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>t8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers/ Message-ID: <NjV8d.191$qg5.21@news.cpqcorp.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > What was your point?  I Sun has been trying to brag about stealing HP customers, with a count of fG 40 or 50 or 70 as time as passed. This shows that the bulk trend is in P% the opposite direction --> toward HP.l  ) > According to the article it wasn't VMS.   F No, it actually doesn't say what HP platforms the 200 customers moved E to. (I visited a customer site in the NYC area a couple of weeks ago dA where they are actively porting Solaris applications to OpenVMS.)   C And the text about the Sun Eclipse program probably didn't mention  E OpenVMS because it's written in the context of Integrity servers and >I technically, with 8.2 not released, they're not officially for sale yet. oE (But I have checked with the 'Sun Eclipse' program managers, and the hH same Sun Eclipse program benefits ARE available for customers moving to  an OpenVMS platform also.)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:55:09 -0700V# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>i8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers( Message-ID: <opsfgjx7mfzgicya@hyrrokkin>  E On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:50:09 -0400, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:    > Michael Kraemer wrote:C >> In article <ck15jf$bab$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrisone. >> <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> writes: >>>C2 >>> The 6 monthly revenues for OpenVMS systems are >>> around 100 million dollars >>>" >>- >> how come that some people keep on claimingnG >> it's a multibillion $ business on 400000 systems with 10 mio users ?n >  >sI > Because HP isn't growing the VMS market so they have to rely on spin.  b > It'sI > the same policy as talking about WMD's in Iraq, and nobody with 1/2 a  d > brain' > believes that any more.s >bK Well I was told by a reliable inside source that during 2003, VMS was the    onlyE OS in HP to actually increase installed base, don't know by how much.n   >        -- nC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:48:22 -0700e# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>h8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers( Message-ID: <opsfgjmwgszgicya@hyrrokkin>  0 On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:46:37 GMT, Keith Parris  % <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:e   > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> What was your point?h >oL > Sun has been trying to brag about stealing HP customers, with a count of  J > 40 or 50 or 70 as time as passed. This shows that the bulk trend is in  ' > the opposite direction --> toward HP.# >l* >> According to the article it wasn't VMS. >-I > No, it actually doesn't say what HP platforms the 200 customers moved  oH > to. (I visited a customer site in the NYC area a couple of weeks ago  C > where they are actively porting Solaris applications to OpenVMS.)  > 
 Tell us more.j  F > And the text about the Sun Eclipse program probably didn't mention  H > OpenVMS because it's written in the context of Integrity servers and  L > technically, with 8.2 not released, they're not officially for sale yet.  H > (But I have checked with the 'Sun Eclipse' program managers, and the  K > same Sun Eclipse program benefits ARE available for customers moving to  n > an OpenVMS platform also.)       --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:50:09 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>a8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <JPqdnRVJa48kufncRVn-tg@igs.net>   Michael Kraemer wrote:B > In article <ck15jf$bab$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison- > <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> writes:i >>1 >> The 6 monthly revenues for OpenVMS systems arel >> around 100 million dollars  >> > , > how come that some people keep on claimingF > it's a multibillion $ business on 400000 systems with 10 mio users ?    J Because HP isn't growing the VMS market so they have to rely on spin. It'sK the same policy as talking about WMD's in Iraq, and nobody with 1/2 a brainr believes that any more.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:51:07 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers0 Message-ID: <fgW8d.207$wj5.165@news.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew Harrison wrote:0 > The 6 monthly revenues for OpenVMS systems are > around 100 million dollars  B IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data shows customer revenues of $113 * million for OpenVMS for the past 6 months.  G But keep in mind how limited a subset of OpenVMS-related revenues this i figure represents:  F IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data is for initial purchases of servers H only (upgrades are not included). It actually EXCLUDES operating system D revenue (unless a base license is bundled, and even then it doesn't B include multi-user licenses). And it does not include any layered H software, storage (other than initial disks in the server box), cluster B and network hardware, services, and other revenue associated with J OpenVMS. (And a large proportion of VMS-related revenues are in Services.)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 07:57:32 -0500U From: briggs@encompasserve.org, Subject: Re: Inserting PF1 into a batch file3 Message-ID: <je4H5AyCG5as@eisner.encompasserve.org>s  r In article <d7d0c297.0410051301.52a8831c@posting.google.com>, vibroplex@mindspring.com (Derek Cohn/WB0TUA) writes: > Dear Friends,e > F > I've got a task to run an interactive utility in batch.  It consistsG > of running an executable image and passing in a number of parameters.y > D > I am able to run the executable image required and pass in lots ofH > parameters by stacking them up line-by-line in the *.com file.  To getH > the process to finish cleanly, I need to insert a PF1 character in theG > command file after all the other paramters.  Does anyone have an idea-E > how I can create a PF1 character and put it in the file so that the  > executable image can read it?c  A The trick that I use in the EDT editor is to press <ESC> (controlhI left bracket on my keyboard) and then press PF1 (Num Lock on my keyboard)   B I'll do it now... <ESC>OP  (and now I'll turn turn that <ESC> into a harmless < E S C >)t  D (In EDT, back to back escapes come in as an escape which displays onD the screen as <ESC>.  And then the rest of the escape sequence comes in afterward as text)c  C In EVE or TPU, the corresponding trick is to use control-V and thena hit PF1.  C (In EVE, The control-V will take the next character literally.  TheoD ESC character will normally display as a reverse question mark.  The8 rest of the escape sequence comes in afterward as text).    C This is handy if you don't have all the escape sequences memorized.a  ? If I understand you correctly, you need to get <ESC>OP alone on = a line by itself in a DCL command file where it will be taken   as input by an executable image.  A If this command procedure is being built by hand in a text editoriA then the above approaches will work fine and that's about as easyc as it gets.   B If, on the other hand, you are building the parameter list for the? executable image on the fly in a command procedure generated ate1 run time then a different approach is called for.V   $! BUILD_COMMAND_PROCEDURE.COM $w( $	esc = ""		! Make esc a string variable: $	esc[0,8] = 27		! Make the first byte an ASCII 27 (<ESC>); $	pf1 = esc + "OP"	! For strings, "+" denotes concatenationa+ $	open outfile temp_command_file.com /writes( $	write outfile "$ RUN your-program.exe" $	write outfile "parameter 1"o $	write outfile "parameter 2"e $	write outfile pf1H $	close outfile  $	@temp_command_file.com  $	delete temp_command_file.com;*   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:22:21 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>c, Subject: Re: Inserting PF1 into a batch file+ Message-ID: <2sia1pF1kvp49U1@uni-berlin.de>    John Briggs wrote:  C > The trick that I use in the EDT editor is to press <ESC> (controleK > left bracket on my keyboard) and then press PF1 (Num Lock on my keyboard)a > D > I'll do it now... <ESC>OP  (and now I'll turn turn that <ESC> into > a harmless < E S C >)   @ Brilliant John !  That's *really* neat, and I will remember this) until the day I finally call Sys$Exit :-)w  	 Roy Omondd Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:59:04 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: light browser?i1 Message-ID: <newscache$4qs55i$ek91$1@news.sil.at>n  ] In article <4163a523$0$331$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>, Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> writes:  >Nigel Barker wrote:S >> Mozilla performs just fine on a reasonably modern Alpha with adequate memory. So  >> a 500MHz EV56 with 256MB. > < >On my 4-way AS 2100 with 1G memory Mozilla works VERY slow.I >I was expecting to be that way, so I'm quite surprised that some people  J >managed to have it running acceptably :) Maybe there's a chance also for I >me then... did you have to do any tricks, settings, autogen and such or R' >you just installed it and it ran fine?   I There once was a cookbook on how to pump up quotas (or was it for JAVA ?) K It was withdrawn at the time of the HP merger (cause of not being compliantRI to the HP company standard) and was rereleased many months later. I don't0 know where and if it is now.  K But quota requirements for JAVA are there in the SDK release notes website.R0 I think you can't be wrong starting with this...   -- o Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERo% Network and OpenVMS system specialistB E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:22:33 GMTM! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>m Subject: Re: light browser? 8 Message-ID: <4cv7m0drc2a48cm6mc1ub3h37nekeblv27@4ax.com>  F On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:58:30 +0200, Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> wrote:   >Nigel Barker wrote:S >> Mozilla performs just fine on a reasonably modern Alpha with adequate memory. So. >> a 500MHz EV56 with 256MB. >8< >On my 4-way AS 2100 with 1G memory Mozilla works VERY slow.I >I was expecting to be that way, so I'm quite surprised that some people rJ >managed to have it running acceptably :) Maybe there's a chance also for I >me then... did you have to do any tricks, settings, autogen and such or e' >you just installed it and it ran fine?  >o >S  N Depending on model your AS2100 is either EV4 or EV5. I forget what the maximumI clock is (400MHz?). So it does fall below the minimum I quoted for decentt Mozilla performance.  P What CPU speed is your 2100? You may find that increasing various process quotas) like BYTELIM & WSMAX will improve things.c   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'AzurD   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:56:40 GMTy! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>A Subject: Re: light browser? 8 Message-ID: <sj18m01m6se5mco3prtfaa04ukhulgbhjl@4ax.com>  L On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:59:04 +0000 (UTC), peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote:n  ^ >In article <4163a523$0$331$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>, Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> writes: >>Nigel Barker wrote:sT >>> Mozilla performs just fine on a reasonably modern Alpha with adequate memory. So >>> a 500MHz EV56 with 256MB.0 >>= >>On my 4-way AS 2100 with 1G memory Mozilla works VERY slow.sJ >>I was expecting to be that way, so I'm quite surprised that some people K >>managed to have it running acceptably :) Maybe there's a chance also for DJ >>me then... did you have to do any tricks, settings, autogen and such or ( >>you just installed it and it ran fine? > J >There once was a cookbook on how to pump up quotas (or was it for JAVA ?)L >It was withdrawn at the time of the HP merger (cause of not being compliantJ >to the HP company standard) and was rereleased many months later. I don't >know where and if it is now.- >-L >But quota requirements for JAVA are there in the SDK release notes website.1 >I think you can't be wrong starting with this...y   The Java document is hereXN http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ebusiness/optimizingsdkguide/optimizingsdkguide.htmlN You can download a PDF version by clicking on the link at the top right of theK page. The original version of the document was withdrawn because it was not F compliant with Sun's requirement for use of the term Java JDK, SDK etc  M Another good starting point is with the recommendations for process quotas in  the Netbeans Installation GuideeF http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/netbeans/Documents.html  L If you are an old time VMS user you may find the size of many of the numbers rather terrifying:-)   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:10:50 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com>mK Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not anye0 Message-ID: <ck0jrv$5g0$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:T >  Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> writes: >  3 >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>B >>>   With what for an Xserver?  My VXT 2000+ is a bit long in the? >>>   tooth already and I don't intent to spend my time mapping  >>>   keyboards.         >  >  A > A >>You need something like a SunRay, secure mobile sessions, sounde6 >>local USB device support, low bandwidth clients etc. >  > > >    Read carefully:  "I don't intent to spend my time mapping >    keyboards."         > I >    SunRay's keyboards are no better than any others.  And anything fromu0 >    Sun with the word "secure" is still a joke. > C The SunRay is as secure as the server. Client to server connectionseC are encryped, there is no state on the client so the responsibilitya2 for providing a secure environment is the servers.  = Now if HP/Compaq/Digital had developed something like SunRayst7 for OpenVMS you would then have a secure desktop/serverr8 combination as it is its Sun who is supplying systems to; meet that kind of requirment to the US government/military.-   Regards- Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:58:11 GMT 4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>V Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS')/ Message-ID: <TRS8d.174$s25.93@news.cpqcorp.net>z  K SunRay is only an option if you have a Sun server to connect it to.  If youYK are using a VMS server for your VXT 2000+ as an X-Terminal, and you want torJ dump it - the simplest option is to get a PC configured with a X emulator.* Or just find a new/used Alpha workstation.  J You could also just get a rx1600 Itanium with V8.2 later this year and use it as a workstation.      K "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>c; wrote in message news:cjtrk1$3uu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...S > Bob Koehler wrote:@ > > In article <f30679fb.0410040823.88cf934@posting.google.com>,0 fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: > > F > >>As I said in another post: wait for the Itanium blades. May be you: > >>can use them as workstations in a Blade-PC-like model. > >d > >eI > >    With what for an Xserver?  My VXT 2000+ is a bit long in the tooth E > >    already and I don't intent to spend my time mapping keyboards.6 >2 >tA > You need something like a SunRay, secure mobile sessions, soundi6 > local USB device support, low bandwidth clients etc. >T	 > Regards: > Andrew Harrison  >C   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 12:04:16 -0500i; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) V Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS')3 Message-ID: <zBspd2$7whFY@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  f In article <TRS8d.174$s25.93@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:M > SunRay is only an option if you have a Sun server to connect it to.  If you)M > are using a VMS server for your VXT 2000+ as an X-Terminal, and you want to.L > dump it - the simplest option is to get a PC configured with a X emulator., > Or just find a new/used Alpha workstation. > L > You could also just get a rx1600 Itanium with V8.2 later this year and use > it as a workstation.  G    Since HP was dropped Itanium workstations, how well and how long canRC    we get a support commitment for the graphics cards in an rx1600?   H    I want an X server that is supported, not one that just happens to beA    there.  IMHO if the X server is supported, it is a workstations5    (marketing can work out what the maning of is is).e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:57:19 GMTN4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>V Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS')0 Message-ID: <PtV8d.192$Cd5.111@news.cpqcorp.net>  F "Andrew Harrison" <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> wrote in message* news:ck11gn$9vu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:K > > SunRay is only an option if you have a Sun server to connect it to.  Ife youeL > > are using a VMS server for your VXT 2000+ as an X-Terminal, and you want toD > > dump it - the simplest option is to get a PC configured with a X	 emulator. . > > Or just find a new/used Alpha workstation. > >e > G > Things have changed. SRSS 3.0 (SunRay Server Software) is now in BetasG > for Linux. I have it running on JDS (SUSE) and it also runs on RedHatdE > so the backend hardware does not need to be a Sun though we do sellTH > the best 2 way and 4 way x86/AMD64 boxes so why would you go elsewhere	 > anyway.i >a  L Unless it is a fully functional X11 Terminal now (that is, it accepts IP X11J connections, and has a mechanism to obtain fonts from the host) - then you< would need to port your SRSS to OpenVMS for it to be useful.  H Somehow, I don't think the poster was using the VXT2000+ to connect to aC non-OpenVMS system -- although he could be.  But this is after all,aJ comp.os.vms.  So your solution is a non-solution, just a sales pitch.  ButJ if you are making the SunRay server DDX software freeware and the protocolK open - point us to a tar file, maybe I'll port it (better still, contributeaJ it to xFree86).  I think the SunRay is a mixed bag with as many bad points9 as good - but you never know - it may satisfy some needs.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:35:00 GMTt4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>V Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS')/ Message-ID: <81W8d.204$yg5.72@news.cpqcorp.net>.  I Itanium servers have embedded graphics in the form of an ATI Radeon 7000.eJ In the rx1600 case, this comes as part of the management processor option.G You can also add the ATI Radeon 7500.  We are currently in qual for the$ graphics for V8.2.    H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:zBspd2$7whFY@eisner.encompasserve.org...iC > In article <TRS8d.174$s25.93@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge"o$ <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:K > > SunRay is only an option if you have a Sun server to connect it to.  Ifw youiL > > are using a VMS server for your VXT 2000+ as an X-Terminal, and you want toD > > dump it - the simplest option is to get a PC configured with a X	 emulator.5. > > Or just find a new/used Alpha workstation. > >0J > > You could also just get a rx1600 Itanium with V8.2 later this year and use  > > it as a workstation. >tI >    Since HP was dropped Itanium workstations, how well and how long can E >    we get a support commitment for the graphics cards in an rx1600?l >pJ >    I want an X server that is supported, not one that just happens to beC >    there.  IMHO if the X server is supported, it is a workstation 7 >    (marketing can work out what the maning of is is).  >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:03:47 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com>sY Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') oti0 Message-ID: <ck11gn$9vu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > SunRay is only an option if you have a Sun server to connect it to.  If youaM > are using a VMS server for your VXT 2000+ as an X-Terminal, and you want totL > dump it - the simplest option is to get a PC configured with a X emulator., > Or just find a new/used Alpha workstation. >   E Things have changed. SRSS 3.0 (SunRay Server Software) is now in Beta.E for Linux. I have it running on JDS (SUSE) and it also runs on RedHatiC so the backend hardware does not need to be a Sun though we do sellsF the best 2 way and 4 way x86/AMD64 boxes so why would you go elsewhere anyway..   Regards  Andrew HarrisonwL > You could also just get a rx1600 Itanium with V8.2 later this year and use > it as a workstation. >  >  > M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>b= > wrote in message news:cjtrk1$3uu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...u >  >>Bob Koehler wrote: >>? >>>In article <f30679fb.0410040823.88cf934@posting.google.com>,m > 2 > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: > F >>>>As I said in another post: wait for the Itanium blades. May be you: >>>>can use them as workstations in a Blade-PC-like model. >>>  >>> H >>>   With what for an Xserver?  My VXT 2000+ is a bit long in the toothD >>>   already and I don't intent to spend my time mapping keyboards. >> >>A >>You need something like a SunRay, secure mobile sessions, soundo6 >>local USB device support, low bandwidth clients etc. >>	 >>RegardsD >>Andrew Harrison@ >> >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 06:04:44 GMTt2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> Subject: Re: OpenVMS newbiet? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-ddrjy7ooXz3t@dave2_os2.home.ours>   ! On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:42:47 UTC,  < koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:    lK >    $ is reserved to DEC/Compaq/HP.  That is:   when VMS Engineering adds iJ >    new names in the OS (new routines, new logical names, ...) they will I >    include $.  The end user should not include $ in names thay make up mH >    so that they will never have a conflict.  sys$system, sys$sysroot, J >    sys$startup are all defined by VMS so they have $ in them.  PUB$ was I >    defined by the end user and should not have a $ in it.  Someday VMS iG >    Engineering may add a PUB$ to VMS at which time this system could . >    unecessarily break.  E Absolutely correct but it's a rule we nearly all break and, instead, l2 use the $ to indicate that it _is_ a logical name.  D My excuse is that I never read the guideline before I started doing F it. I'd used logical devices on RSX and VMS logical names were a greatF advance on that. At that time, I gained the impression that the $ in aC logical name was a convention. I know the rule now but still break   it...e   --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 03:06:12 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>i Subject: Re: OpenVMS newbier, Message-ID: <4163993F.98F9E7FC@teksavvy.com>   Dave Weatherall wrote:F > Absolutely correct but it's a rule we nearly all break and, instead,4 > use the $ to indicate that it _is_ a logical name.  L Finally, someone who has the guts to stand up and tell the truth :-) :-) :-)  0 I too started off thinking $ was for logicals...  I In fact, don't most system managers use $ when defining logicals for diskn drives ?  K Since we outnumber the VMS engineers, perhaps we could form the VCLDS , thee8 VMS Committee for the Liberation of the Dollar Sign :-)   H And if the VMS engineers refuse the free that poor $ sign, we could wrapK outselves atop trees in from of ZKO with large banners, and perhaps attractaG the attention of the media to our plight, at which point, we could alson8 mention the fact that carly refuses to advertise VMS :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 09:10:15 -0500r; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: OpenVMS newbiel3 Message-ID: <Q61QgawHJBZM@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  \ In article <4163993F.98F9E7FC@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:  N > Finally, someone who has the guts to stand up and tell the truth :-) :-) :-) > 2 > I too started off thinking $ was for logicals...  A    I saw $ in wasy too many places to get that impression.  Maybe ?    because I was a programmer before I became a system manager.n  D    23 years since I first played with VMS and never defined anything    with a $ in it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:14:15 -0400t( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS newbiev, Message-ID: <4163FDB7.9020000@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:d   > Dave Weatherall wrote: > F >>Absolutely correct but it's a rule we nearly all break and, instead,4 >>use the $ to indicate that it _is_ a logical name. >> > N > Finally, someone who has the guts to stand up and tell the truth :-) :-) :-) > 2 > I too started off thinking $ was for logicals... > K > In fact, don't most system managers use $ when defining logicals for disks
 > drives ?    N While I'm not a system manager, except when needed, I will choose to disagree  with the above.h  K On the earliest VAX systems at Decus in the late 1970s the device logicals sQ didn't use the '$', nor did any other logicals with the exception of SYS$... for lP VMS system locations and such.  Might have been some others.  As for the disks, O some rather simple and meaningful names such as DISK1, DISK2, ... were in use. t@ I still use this simple and descriptive naming scheme for disks.  N Why anyone would want to include characters requiring the shift key is beyond 1 me.  Not all VMS people enjoy pain and suffering.e     Dave   -- l4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roade Vanderbilt, PA  15486-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:06:33 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>r& Subject: OpenVMS non-advertising today, Message-ID: <z4OdnblGX_KKu_ncRVn-gQ@igs.net>  G Two full-page HP ads in my newspaper today, one about a known Alpha/VMSvC user - actually one widely trumpeted in an OpenVMS 'success story'.a  
 Text follows:n   Wall Street without walls.E International Securities Exchange, the world's largest equity options>I exchange, conducts all trading electronically.  As a result, they requirefI unprecedented computing power.  As their partner, HP Services designed, atL standards-based solution that ensures instantaneous processing and automaticK recovery from virtually any failure.  Since 2000, ISE has expanded capacitysG by several hundred percent, and now can handle hundreds of thousands of , transactions per second.  So much for walls.      > From the sounds of it, ISE has implemented a really big WintelL installation....after all what else could "standards-based" mean these days?$ Unless of course it was Intel/Linux.  C On the other hand, maybe HP meant to state that Alpha/VMS *is* what # standards-based really means.  Nah.t  L To paraphrase what Abba Eban, the Former Israeli U.N. Ambassador and ForeignI Minister said of Yasser Arafat, HP never misses an opportunity to miss anh opportunity.  @ Nice going HP. Another opportunity to market OpenVMS squandered.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 06:04:45 GMTt2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>8 Subject: Re: Rules for commenting out continuation lines? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-FhEDNwswulmY@dave2_os2.home.ours>0  @ On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:24:51 UTC, Phaeton  <spam@spam.org> wrote:  1 > Alan E. Feldman <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:  >  > > but not here...@ >  > > DCL> @A. > > $  A = "A" +  -o > >       "B" +  -
 > >       "C"9 > > $ SHOW SYMBOL Ao > >  A = "ABC"1 > > $ IF (F$TYPE(A).NES."") THEN DELETEZ/SYMBOL Ar > > $t > > $  A = "A" +  -n > > !      "B" +  -sB > > %DCL-W-EXPSYN, invalid expression syntax - check operators and > > operands
 > >       "C"hJ > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling	 > > \"C"\  > > $ SHOW SYMBOL AnA > > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellingn1 > > $ IF (F$TYPE(A).NES."") THEN DELETEZ/SYMBOL Aw > > $  > > $  A = "A" +  -a > > $!     "B" +  -rA > > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellingn > > \$\l
 > >       "C" J > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling	 > > \"C"\n > > $ SHOW SYMBOL A A > > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling91 > > $ IF (F$TYPE(A).NES."") THEN DELETEZ/SYMBOL An > > $e
 > > $ EXIT > > DCL> >  > > ?i > I > > I have done the same commenting out in both procedures, yet one workseJ > > but the other doesn't. What are the rules for this? Is this documentedH > > somewhere? I looked in the User's Manual but could not find anything > > about this there.s > H > > And while $! and ! both work in the DIR case, I would think that the > > latter is preferable.  > C > 	I think, I might be wrong, but it seems to me in the second case C > 	with the symbols the "-" sign might be treated as a "minus" ( aswC > 	part of the "+", "-", "*", "/" operands ) and not a continuationh, > 	sign as in a DCL command. Just my idea...  A That and, i guess, they probably go thro' different parsers. DIR  D probably winds up using DCL$PARSE which deals with comment handling F and continuation lines . Expression resolution must be dealt with in a@ different way, which leads to the situation you describe above.  Complex business this DCL.   -- n Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 09:15:33 -0500c; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler):, Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?3 Message-ID: <hjv8q4$0ozeX@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  W In article <41635475.1010702@tsoft-inc.com>, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > ; > Doncha just hate it when someone assigns you a task?  :-)p >       Must have been the Colonel.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:05:53 -0400a( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>, Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?, Message-ID: <4163FBC1.4070003@tsoft-inc.com>    David B Sneddon - bigpond wrote:  $ > David Froble mentioned in passing: >  >>< >> Doncha just hate it when someone assigns you a task?  :-) >>I >> I took a short look at routine documentation that you referenced.  It uI >> is something I'd never seen before.  Any idea when it was implemented?/ >>E >>  From the 'short' look, it appears to be techniques for SELECTING oG >> files.  If so, then yes, you did misunderstand what I wanted.  If I sH >> already know the name of a file, and want to obtain some information F >> about the file, such as filesize, creation date, and such, I don't @ >> think the routines you referenced will do this job, at least J >> directly.  For such you want to read directory information, not access  >> the file. >>I >> The filesize is a particularly touchy piece of data to obtain, having >H >> to look at the 'next available byte' or something like that.  It has 9 >> been over a year since I was doing this type of stuff.e >> >> DaveA >  > > > For info such as filesize and dates etc.  there is a routineG > FILE_ATTRIBUTES in the DBS-SYSRTL package (available from the addresseD > below) which takes a filename and returns various bits of interest > D > status = file_attributes (filespec, blocks_used, blocks_allocated,= >         cre_date, rev_date, exp_date, bck_date, rev_number,25 >         owner_uic, prot_mask, rec_att, bucket_size,e; >         extend_quan, gb_count, longest_rec, max_rec_size,s >         rec_file_org)5 > A > The various return values are optional just as long as you havee? > enough null arguments to get up to the one you want, trailingo> > arguments are optional.  It is written in macro and works onI > VAX, Alpha and Itanium.  The routine sets up the various FABs and XABs.i > 
 > Regards, > Dave.   + Where were you when I needed you?  :-)  :-)?   Thanks for the info.   Dave   -- a4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadt Vanderbilt, PA  15486r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:25:18 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>, Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?+ Message-ID: <2sih30F1lm2m7U1@uni-berlin.de>c   David Froble wrote:i >...G > I took a short look at routine documentation that you referenced.  ItrH > is something I'd never seen before.  Any idea when it was implemented?  5 The Common File Qualifier routines were added in 7.2.o  C >  From the 'short' look, it appears to be techniques for SELECTING E > files.  If so, then yes, you did misunderstand what I wanted.  If IiF > already know the name of a file, and want to obtain some informationD > about the file, such as filesize, creation date, and such, I don't> > think the routines you referenced will do this job, at leastA > directly.  For such you want to read directory information, not- > access the file. >...  F It would be nice if these routines would give you back the information/ that they had to go and get, but they don't. :(e   -- s Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.> Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX0 www.weaverconsulting.can   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:15:08 +0100@9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com>_4 Subject: Re: Sun can't invent - resorts to stealing!0 Message-ID: <ck0k40$5g0$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Ceculski wrote:>  > shame, shame, shame Andrew! :) > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18864   	 Ohh dear.t  7 The Kodak patents are incredibly broad and would appearg6 to cover C++ Smalltalk and other OO languages and even! possibly OS's in general as well.t   Regardsr Andrew Harrisont   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 11:18:53 -0400r4 From: John-Paul Stewart <jpstewart@binaryfoundry.ca> Subject: Re: Tel. Co. Sys. Op.?e1 Message-ID: <pd21kc.l9k.ln@mail.binaryfoundry.ca>    JF Mezei wrote:p > John-Paul Stewart wrote: > M >>The most recent Cray (the XD1 model, available as of yesterday) runs Linux.  >  > I > And Cray just announced they were going to build Opteron based systems.d  D Uhh...yeah the Opteron-based system would be the aforementioned XD1.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:12:55 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n Subject: Re: Tel. Co. Sys. Op.?p, Message-ID: <os6dnZT4OfQIuvncRVn-qQ@igs.net>   Mark Tarka wrote:r/ > Is there a telephone company systems operator . > in the house (or could you forward this post1 > to one, or anyone who might choose to respond)?c >i. > Telephone companies store massive amounts of1 > date (terebytes?), sure to increase as cellularm- > expands.  I've found a small amount of infoi3 > on the Net.  I'm interested in what is stored anda > what it costs to retrieve it.c >o3 > First, what's the depth of the data in years fromt+ > today (for how long is information kept)?t  0 > The classifications of data and storage length4 > depends on location and state/federal regulations.    ( So far you've answered the 1st question.F You might want to search the Library of Congress on-line or enlist the@ cooperation of a librarian to search out applicable legislation.    3 > How far back could someone go to find information 3 > using _all_ the available sources, not just thoseh4 > available to lawyers or P.I.s (say regarding white1 > collar criminal activity not discovered until a & > "mole" retired, got fired, or quit)? >:2 > What information is stored (what a consumer sees8 > on the monthly statement -- date, time, number dialed,+ > city, state, duration of call, and cost)?. >s6 > Or is is other than complete billing data, something > abbreviated/condensed? >66 > Then, what's your typical search and retrieval costs > for out-going calls? > 5 > And, what's your typical search and retrieval costsm3 > for _in-coming_ calls (calls made _to_ a specificu > phone number)?    F I'm not in telco.....find somebody who works for the phone company...6/ degrees of separation, and buy him/her a lunch.o    4 > Now, to keep in touch with the theme of the group,2 > could anyone tell me what o.s. Cray used, and if2 > the company/project is still alive (like for DOD/ > Star Wars or CIC/AWACS/3-D 360 ground/air/seau& > battle-field info systems/displays)? >w >13 >   Mark (No, I am not an Al Kaduh operative, but I 3 >         used to play on on c.o.v. many years ago.17 >         David P. Murphy seems to be in an interestingh= >         position now-a-days; ouch, _that's_ gotta hurt  :-)t >m< >   mark_tarka@yahoo.comNOTTOBEUSEDFORSPAMORSTALKINGBEHAVIOR   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:28:26 -0400* From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com>- Subject: Re: Update Multiple decnet databasesL+ Message-ID: <2si6m3F1klhmaU1@uni-berlin.de>e  d "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:416342A8.3E25EE1@comcast.net...  : da2341@cedar.ca.sbc.com wrote: : >a= : > Does anyone have a command procedure to update new decneta0 : > addresses accross multiple decnet databases? :n< : If it's a cluster, there's always SYSMAN where you can SETB : ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER, then DO MCR NCP command... or DO @filespec. : . SYSMAN also works between non-clustered nodes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 13:49:37 +0100m- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk>0- Subject: Re: Update Multiple decnet databasesp8 Message-ID: <llp7m0p4q1ccm96lti86lr40kknms366un@4ax.com>  G On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:43:37 -0700 (PDT), da2341@cedar.ca.sbc.com wrote:   ; >Does anyone have a command procedure to update new decnet e- >addresses accross multiple decnet databases?m  C See SYSMAN suggestions, but if you can create and maintain a single-< reference database, then Decnet Phase IV will do it for you:   $ MC NCP NCP> SET EXEC NODE <target>n; NCP> COPY KNOWN NODES FROM <source> USING PERMANENT TO BOTHo  I Phase V/OSI/Plus will be different, but then you should probably be usingo  some form of name server anyway.   -- t, We die only once, and for such a long time.    Mail john rather than nospam...a   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 11:48:21 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)u- Subject: Re: Update Multiple decnet databasesI3 Message-ID: <1Yr5BeXvVYtI@eisner.encompasserve.org>h  X In article <2si6m3F1klhmaU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com> writes: > f > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:416342A8.3E25EE1@comcast.net..." > : da2341@cedar.ca.sbc.com wrote: > : > ? > : > Does anyone have a command procedure to update new decnete2 > : > addresses accross multiple decnet databases? > :n> > : If it's a cluster, there's always SYSMAN where you can SETD > : ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER, then DO MCR NCP command... or DO @filespec. > :o0 > SYSMAN also works between non-clustered nodes.  : Well if it is NCP, the NCP COPY command is also available.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 09:02:01 -0500t; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) - Subject: Re: VAX/VMS in industrial automationr3 Message-ID: <+er$f5Gmgh7A@eisner.encompasserve.org>x  e In article <or55m0pa1hkm405e5rim39fffvle6h3mgo@4ax.com>, Joel Loveless <joell@mindspring.com> writes:lH > I have been involved in many  industrial automation systems using VMS.C > I worked in the textile industry with materials handling systems,EE > automated storage and retreival systems (ASRS), guided vehicles andpB > the like. VMS has many system functions built into the operatingH > system to help facilitate real time processing environments. To name a? > few, global pages, process and global event flags and mailboxeE > communications. My last employer was doing stock trading on VMS for-@ > over 20 years. So, VMS is well suited to handle many real time > applications.o  D    A great statement of the befuddlement of the meaning of realtime.9    A transaction system like a stock trade is not what wer@    realtime/embedded programmers consider realtime.  People willF    wait for large fractions of a second without even knowing it.  TheyA    don't even know how far from deterministic Windows is.  "Hard"r.    realtime systems won't tolerate that stuff.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 09:05:02 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)e- Subject: Re: VAX/VMS in industrial automation 3 Message-ID: <w9DxEnYay9pl@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  [ In article <41630FA8.B463AF1@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:c > "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote:H >> There's more going on with processes at and above priority 16 -- they> >> don't get time-slices -- they run until they block for I/O.G >> Actually, the whole scheduler setup is too complicated to cover in a> >> few emails.  F    Although it's typically I/O, they loose the CPU whenever they enter    any scheduler wait state.    ,M > If you have a process running at priority 17 which issues some IO, and thusbC > relinquishes the CPU to , say a batch job runnning at priority 3.o > N > What happens when the IO completes ? Does the priority 17 process immediatlyP > interrupt the batchj job, or does the batch job complete its time slice before3 > handing the CPU back to the priority 17 process ?o  K    When the wait state completes the process is put back into COM and gets t?    the CPU back.  This is event driven, not time-slice driven. u  F    Time-slice itself is also event driven, but the event is the clock 7    interrupt and doesn't count until the slice is done.L   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:43:52 +0200) From: "Andrzej Bugowski" <bandrzej@wp.pl>  Subject: vms and fibre channel/ Message-ID: <ck07p0$6v5$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>e   Hi3 I would like to ask all. VMS support fibre channel.@   andrzej    ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:51:35 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: vms and fibre channel1 Message-ID: <newscache$n1k55i$xq81$1@news.sil.at>o  [ In article <ck07p0$6v5$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>, "Andrzej Bugowski" <bandrzej@wp.pl> writes: 4 >I would like to ask all. VMS support fibre channel.   And the answer is: 17s No, it's not. It is: Yes   What was your question ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 06:17:50 -0500f- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)i" Subject: Re: vms and fibre channel3 Message-ID: <kV4oEFxMJQap@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  j In article <newscache$n1k55i$xq81$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:] > In article <ck07p0$6v5$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>, "Andrzej Bugowski" <bandrzej@wp.pl> writes:e5 >>I would like to ask all. VMS support fibre channel.i >  > And the answer is: 17g > No, it's not. It is: Yes   Actually, it is:   	Only on Alpha.o   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 06:26:41 -0500P- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)l" Subject: Re: vms and fibre channel3 Message-ID: <PtyUaurwzIyO@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  c In article <kV4oEFxMJQap@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:ol > In article <newscache$n1k55i$xq81$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:^ >> In article <ck07p0$6v5$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl>, "Andrzej Bugowski" <bandrzej@wp.pl> writes:6 >>>I would like to ask all. VMS support fibre channel. >> . >> And the answer is: 17 >> No, it's not. It is: Yesu >  > Actually, it is: >  > 	Only on Alpha.?  F Although in the future it will be support on IPF (until the release of% V8.2, _nothing_ is supported on IPF).f  $ But no fibre channel support on VAX.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:44:23 +0200d+ From: Wilm Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl>t" Subject: Re: vms and fibre channel5 Message-ID: <4164206c$0$1621$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>t   Larry Kilgallen wrote:   >>Actually, it is: >> >>	Only on Alpha.h >  > H > Although in the future it will be support on IPF (until the release of' > V8.2, _nothing_ is supported on IPF).i > & > But no fibre channel support on VAX.  5 Unless -you may have guessed by now- it's Charon-VAX.o   -- p Wilm   ------------------------------  * Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:04:21 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)M Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] What Priv for SET SECURITY/CLASS=DEVICE ?d1 Message-ID: <newscache$wys55i$0n91$1@news.sil.at>l  c In article <XpUWKGooJEkM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: k >In article <newscache$w5745i$zy31$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:  >mR >> Maybe a privilege is missing (besides the "OPER" for the SYSMAN ;-) but which ?I >> I tried all of them and didn't succeed (except with BYPASS or course).@ >-/ >	$ SET SECURITY/ALARM/ENABLE=PRIVILEGE=FAILUREe  4 I think, you mean a SET AUDIT. But alas, no message.2 So, next try. Maybe a (FAILURE, ALL) access ACL...   -- > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERr% Network and OpenVMS system specialist> E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 06:22:48 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)tM Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] What Priv for SET SECURITY/CLASS=DEVICE ? 3 Message-ID: <nOnSfIvOiNBQ@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <newscache$wys55i$0n91$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:e > In article <XpUWKGooJEkM@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:el >>In article <newscache$w5745i$zy31$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: >>S >>> Maybe a privilege is missing (besides the "OPER" for the SYSMAN ;-) but which ?sJ >>> I tried all of them and didn't succeed (except with BYPASS or course). >>0 >>	$ SET SECURITY/ALARM/ENABLE=PRIVILEGE=FAILURE >   > I think, you mean a SET AUDIT.   Thank you for the correction.e   > But alas, no message. 4 > So, next try. Maybe a (FAILURE, ALL) access ACL...   Oh, also  5 	$ SET AUDIT/ALARM/CLASS=DEVICE/ENABLE=ACCESS=FAILURE   	 and maybe   5 	$ SET AUDIT/ALARM/CLASS=VOLUME/ENABLE=ACCESS=FAILURE   A Sometimes it is good to test by turning off all privileges beforeIC MCR SYSMAN, or something else to prove the messages are coming out.n  B If there is truly no audit but you are getting SS$_NOPRIV, that is a reportable defect in VMS.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 08:12:42 -07000% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips)u; Subject: Re: [OT]: Software Disasters Often People Problemst= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0410060712.26b5bfe5@posting.google.com>e  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<41630B61.90A1654E@teksavvy.com>...2 > John Smith wrote:gN > > SAN JOSE, Calif. - New software at Hewlett-Packard Co. was supposed to getO > > orders in and out the door faster at the computer giant. Instead, a botchedkJ > > deployment cut into earnings in a big way in August and executives got
 > > fired. > O > My take on this is that this project was a scapegoat to divert attention fromeP > other problems. I cannot believe that a corporation such as HP would be stupidP > enough to pull the plug on the old production system until it is satisfied the, > fancy new system is actually working fine. >   F You wouldn't think so, but just a few of years ago a large health careE system nearby (hospital, clinics, insurance, hmo, etc) converted overiF to one of the other brands of ERP whose name begins with "O" and their= billing was down for about two months. No patient billing. No.F insurance claims. No statements. Nothing. They had a management changeF soon thereafter, but they also had one bad looking financial statement
 that year.  B It does happen, and HP should know better than to let it happen toC them. So we hear about the SAP gaff, make a few visits to their web F site and see the terrible performance of their servers and that should: convince most anyone to look elsewhere for their IT needs.    -Doug   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.555 ************************