1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 07 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 556       Contents: Re: As seen in WSJ Re: DCL-like syntax standard Re: DCL-like syntax standard Re: DCL-like syntax standard( DECwindows security: access to port 6000 Disabling source routing Re: Disabling source routing Disk corruption and Pathworks  Fragmention and SAN disks  Re: Fragmention and SAN disks  Re: Fragmention and SAN disks  Re: Fragmention and SAN disks / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers H Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any otherH Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any otherN Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS')N Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS')P Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS') oP Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') OSP Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') OS! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today / Re: Rules for commenting out continuation lines  Re: Tel. 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"Guide to Ope  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:50:40 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: As seen in WSJ , Message-ID: <41643E80.6F284A37@teksavvy.com>   David Svensson wrote: ? > Another thing is that they don't have to move to go to Intel.     K How integrated in Intel can they be if they are is Mass and the rest of the + IA64 team is in some other far away state ?   J I can understand one product's team being in one state and another productG beuing in some other state/country/facility. But is it common to have a 9 product being developped concurrently by separate teams ?   K Is Intel really going to make full use of the Digital engineers, or is this I more like a make work programme to keep them happy with lots of money and J while still using them for specific tasks that can be outsources to a team that is away from the action ?   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 12:09:10 -0700 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)% Subject: Re: DCL-like syntax standard = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410061109.12204aa6@posting.google.com>   j "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in message news:<Xns957AA48729F6Ddcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>...M > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Syltrem wrote in news:3MS8d.3148$KF.25265@tor-nn1.netcom.ca  > ; > > Gembase also uses the VMS syntax for its error messages 4 > > %MDDMAN-E-NOSUCHDF, Not attached to database FIN > D > I take that for granted, to me it's just a "normal" error message. >   > > Gembase was designed on VMS. > 0 > As a successor to Pioneer's USERBASE language. > M > Gembase continues to be developed on VMS.  Admittedly, the push is to sell  ' > the Windows or Unix version nowadays.     J Other topic is: with the acquisition of Ross by Chinadotcom,  what are the! plans for Gembase in the future ?      > F > What bugs me is this determination to give users the thin client or I > iBrowser front-end instead of dumb terminal.  I know it's required for  J > keeping up against packages like SAP, but for volume data entry nothing E > beats a user who is familiar with the dumb terminal implementation.  >   D May be a hybrid model can be developed in the near future. Something: like Citrix or may be Sun Java Desktop (a good product) !      Regards    FC   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 12:10:42 -0700 . From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)% Subject: Re: DCL-like syntax standard = Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410061110.42355498@posting.google.com>   e "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<3MS8d.3148$KF.25265@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>... 9 > Gembase also uses the VMS syntax for its error messages 2 > %MDDMAN-E-NOSUCHDF, Not attached to database FIN >  > Gembase was designed on VMS.   WellN My doubt is not related to Gembase under Linux. Its about some scripts or mayF be programs in the near future with DCL-like syntax. And messages too.  F I think Oracle was developed under OpenVMS until Oracle  V6.0. So they% began to develop under Solaris ! Ok ?       > --  	 > Syltrem  >   > OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4J > http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)' > ---zulu is not in my email address--- B > "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> a crit dans le message de3 > news:Xns9579DCD704E7Bdcovmsrox@212.100.160.123... L > > %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Fabio Cardoso wrote in news:f30679fb.0410050427.141089f4 > > @posting.google.com  > >  > > > I have a doubt:  > > > 0 > > > Is the DCL-like syntax standard patented ? > > > C > > > Can I develop a utility for another plaform (Linux) using it?  > > >  > > > Example: > > > 0 > > >> COMMAND /PARAMETER  i.e.  SHOW /PARAMETER > > G > > I doubt if it is patented, and I thought that you'd been looking at 
 >  Gembase0 > > which unashamedly steals DCL-style syntax... > >  > > INPUT_BLOCK /ROW=x /COL=y  > >  > >  > > Doc. > > --  K > > OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. K > > http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------   Date: 06 Oct 2004 21:13:24 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> % Subject: Re: DCL-like syntax standard 7 Message-ID: <Xns957AEC56985BAdcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   & %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Fabio Cardoso wrote in5 news:f30679fb.0410061109.12204aa6@posting.google.com    H > Other topic is: with the acquisition of Ross by Chinadotcom,  what are' > the plans for Gembase in the future ?   H As far as I'm aware Gembase will continue to be developed.  Personally, J I'll be learning more about legal requirements for accounting software in  mainland China. :-)      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:43:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: DECwindows security: access to port 6000 , Message-ID: <416458F9.D2E6D42B@teksavvy.com>  M Just noticed some korean hacker had a session established to my vaxstations's 
 port 6000.  L A BG6309 device was created and owned by DECW$SERVER_0 process running under my own username.  
 Questions:  N Why would the SERVER  (which is the x terminal side, right ?) be running underG my username instead of SYSTEM ? Doesn't the server get started before I  actually login ?  M If this korean hacker was connected to port 6000, it is correct to state that N the "normal" effect would have been for him to pop a window up on my display ?I (as opposed to running some executable on my machine under my username) ?   L Is there a utility that lists all clients that have connected to my server ?  L (eg: to find out if this guy had actually begun to do anything, or if he hadK just established a TCPIP connection hoping it would be some web server, but  hadn't begun any X protocol ?)  M If someone connects to port 6000, would the DECW$SERVER process time out this F connection eventually if the "client" doesn't initiate abny X protocol
 activity ?  N (and yes, I have since disabled inbound access to my X server, but sometimes IM want it opened if I need to test software that runs on a remote node whose IP  many not be fixed).    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 15:03:17 -0700 # From: Stitzman@gmail.com (stitzman) ! Subject: Disabling source routing = Message-ID: <53cc0efd.0410061403.5479655c@posting.google.com>   @ I am trying to find some documentation about disabling IP sourceE routing on an OpenVMS 7.2 system.  I'd like to know where this is set / so I can verify it and disable it if necessary.   B I have looked through much documentation, consulted the HP OpenVMSD "Ask the Wizard" archives and searched through this newsgroup, but I8 haven't found an answer.  Any help would be appreciated.   Thanks,  Jon    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:04:23 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: Re: Disabling source routing + Message-ID: <4164C047.1CE8E738@comcast.net>    stitzman wrote:  > B > I am trying to find some documentation about disabling IP sourceG > routing on an OpenVMS 7.2 system.  I'd like to know where this is set 1 > so I can verify it and disable it if necessary.  > D > I have looked through much documentation, consulted the HP OpenVMSF > "Ask the Wizard" archives and searched through this newsgroup, but I: > haven't found an answer.  Any help would be appreciated.  & Which TCP/IP software are you running?   ...TCP/IP Services (pka "UCX")?  ...Multinet? ...TCPware?    What version of the above?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:58:24 GMT 7 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> & Subject: Disk corruption and Pathworks/ Message-ID: <4p19d.344875$Fg5.335468@attbi_s53>   K I've had a second occurrence of disk/directory corruption in 3 months.  The H affected directory was the same logical disk directory both times.  ThisH directory is a Pathworks share and it's prime use is to send and receiveJ files from client systems, both Windows and Unix.  We are running a 2-nodeI homogeneous cluster configuration on ES40's using OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1 and ? Advanced Server (the version that came with VMS 7.3-1) w/ECO 2.   I No other directories have issues and I see no problem with the disk drive  (it's on an EMC SAN).   L When the problem occurs, we see problems such as files that can be seen fromD one node but not the other. Or you can see the file with a directoryE command, but can't do anything with it, such as copy or edit.  In one I instance, f$search could find the files from one node, but not the other. I In the f$search problem, the files could be seen with a directory command  from both nodes.  I The share directory is on a disk that is mounted cluster-wide and process K privileges are not the issue.  This problem has caused major issues because I we depend heavily on automated procedures to manage client file transfers % and files are being missed or "lost".   / Is anyone else seeing problems similar to this?    Regards, Tom    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 13:07:28 -0700 ' From: twilliams@gscc.com (Tom Williams) " Subject: Fragmention and SAN disks= Message-ID: <770c7f9b.0410061207.14c58ff9@posting.google.com>   " I'm getting the following message:  7 %COPY-W-CBT, insufficient contiguous space, file copied  non-contiguously  A I'm copying files to a VMS shadowset that consist of Fibrechannel C disks in a SAN.  That message implies file fragmentation, but I was B told we wouldn't have to worry about fragmentation on the SAN. Can anyone offer any insight?    Thanks in advance.   Tom Williams   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 15:39:08 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) & Subject: Re: Fragmention and SAN disks3 Message-ID: <oEgmL7CkPiY9@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <770c7f9b.0410061207.14c58ff9@posting.google.com>, twilliams@gscc.com (Tom Williams) writes: $ > I'm getting the following message: > 9 > %COPY-W-CBT, insufficient contiguous space, file copied  > non-contiguously > C > I'm copying files to a VMS shadowset that consist of Fibrechannel E > disks in a SAN.  That message implies file fragmentation, but I was @ > told we wouldn't have to worry about fragmentation on the SAN.  > Fragmentation is certainly possible.  Apparently you specified< a copy to contiguous space.  Whether you should worry or not/ depends on the reason you wanted it contiguous.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:45:45 -0400 + From: Ken Robinson <kenrbnsn1@patmedia.net> & Subject: Re: Fragmention and SAN disksA Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20041006163941.08139110@mail.patmedia.net>   * At 04:07 PM 10/6/2004, Tom Williams wrote:# >I'm getting the following message:  > 8 >%COPY-W-CBT, insufficient contiguous space, file copied >non-contiguously  > B >I'm copying files to a VMS shadowset that consist of FibrechannelD >disks in a SAN.  That message implies file fragmentation, but I wasC >told we wouldn't have to worry about fragmentation on the SAN. Can  >anyone offer any insight?  L Who told you that? Where I'm currently working, we're running defragmenters 5 on all of our SAN disks except for the system drives.   J What we were just told is that it's better on SAN attached virtual drives L (EVA5000) it's better to put the index file at the beginning or end instead C of in the middle.  This will give you the largest contiguous space  K available on the drive. Also make the cluster size a factor of 4. (I can't   remember the reason for this).  I Your best bet now would be the old-fashion way of compressing the space,  I image backup/restore. If you have extra disk capacity, do a disk to disk   backup.   
 Ken Robinson     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:02:40 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: Fragmention and SAN disks+ Message-ID: <4164BFDF.408AD415@comcast.net>    Tom Williams wrote:  > $ > I'm getting the following message: > 9 > %COPY-W-CBT, insufficient contiguous space, file copied  > non-contiguously > C > I'm copying files to a VMS shadowset that consist of Fibrechannel E > disks in a SAN.  That message implies file fragmentation, but I was D > told we wouldn't have to worry about fragmentation on the SAN. Can > anyone offer any insight?    Well, understand:   D In the "old days", when disks were "slow", file fragmentation causedE problems that merely exacerbated the existing performance issues, but C sometimes to the point that performance suffered, often grievously.   F With today's RAID algorithms, super-high speed spindles and actuators,H and cache sizes, neither file fragmentation for free space fragmentationG are viewed as serious issues. With today's DBMS's, fragmentation within 9 tablespace containers would be a bigger issue than those.   F What the source likely meant was that fragmentation would still occur,) but you would be far less likely to care.   A Obviously, the underlying infrastructure can in no way effect the H internals of the on-disk data storage structures or how they are managed? by the host o.s., other than to make infrastructure differences * relatively transparent to the host system.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:23:20 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <fYSdnZBIFItvpfncRVn-qA@igs.net>   Tom Linden wrote: G > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:50:09 -0400, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  >  >> Michael Kraemer wrote: D >>> In article <ck15jf$bab$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison/ >>> <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> writes:  >>>>3 >>>> The 6 monthly revenues for OpenVMS systems are  >>>> around 100 million dollars  >>>> >>> . >>> how come that some people keep on claimingH >>> it's a multibillion $ business on 400000 systems with 10 mio users ? >> >>H >> Because HP isn't growing the VMS market so they have to rely on spin. >> It's H >> the same policy as talking about WMD's in Iraq, and nobody with 1/2 a >> brain >> believes that any more. >>G > Well I was told by a reliable inside source that during 2003, VMS was 
 > the onlyG > OS in HP to actually increase installed base, don't know by how much.     * Installed base as defined by which metric:+ - more machines sold to existing customers? 7 - # of new customers exceeded # of defecting customers?  - a combination of the above?   K What would be interesting is the mix of machines that were sold, broken out F by new and existing customers and the applications they were used for.    * Which is more important to the VMS market?  
 Example 1:L Company A (VMS user) buys out Company B (non-VMS user). Systems/applicationsH owned by Company B are retired. Company A buys a new Alpha/VMS system or two.  
 Example 2:0 Company C (non-VMS user) becomes a VMS customer.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:44:06 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <W8edndJ-0tppofncRVn-vg@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote:  > Andrew Harrison wrote:1 >> The 6 monthly revenues for OpenVMS systems are  >> around 100 million dollars  > C > IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data shows customer revenues of $113 , > million for OpenVMS for the past 6 months. > H > But keep in mind how limited a subset of OpenVMS-related revenues this > figure represents: > G > IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data is for initial purchases of servers B > only (upgrades are not included). It actually EXCLUDES operatingD > system revenue (unless a base license is bundled, and even then itC > doesn't include multi-user licenses). And it does not include any C > layered software, storage (other than initial disks in the server A > box), cluster and network hardware, services, and other revenue A > associated with OpenVMS. (And a large proportion of VMS-related  > revenues are in Services.)    K And then to put it all into perspective, a single typical middle-sized (2-3 L million) city government can spend $30-40 million on just PC's over a 3-yearF purchasing cycle and wind up tossing them out afterwards. No invesmentE protection, huge virus and worm hassles, high manpower costs. But VMS 0 doesn't have applications people want any longer   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:58:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <4164403F.45F6AFCE@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote:  > E > HP has announced that in the past 18 months more than 200 customers C > worldwide have chosen HP servers over Sun systems to help improve   M This is actually old news. Saw this at least last week if now weeks ago. Note M that the language does not say that HP acquired 200 customers in the last 1.5 M years. It only means that 200 customers chose HP over Sun. It could very well L be 200 existing HP customers who upgraded their HP infrastructure instead of migrating to Sun.   N I saw that announcement as simple (but good) PR to counter all the much better< PR Sun has been making in recent weeks at the expense of HP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:05:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <416441E8.E415B493@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote: K > Well I was told by a reliable inside source that during 2003, VMS was the  > onlyG > OS in HP to actually increase installed base, don't know by how much.     N One would need to know how "installed base" is measured before one can comment
 on the above.   J Issued VMS licenses ? Number of systems on support contract or still underI warranty ? Number of customers with at least one system under contract or 
 warranty ?  & Number of users connect to VMS systems   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 14:06:49 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers3 Message-ID: <fQG9ufo2Pxk6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <opsfgjmwgszgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:2 > On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:46:37 GMT, Keith Parris  ' > <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:   J >> No, it actually doesn't say what HP platforms the 200 customers moved  I >> to. (I visited a customer site in the NYC area a couple of weeks ago   D >> where they are actively porting Solaris applications to OpenVMS.) >> > Tell us more.   = _I_ certainly would not hire HP if they betrayed confidences.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 14:07:54 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers3 Message-ID: <1OkiJUpCj5cq@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <fgW8d.207$wj5.165@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> writes: > Andrew Harrison wrote:1 >> The 6 monthly revenues for OpenVMS systems are  >> around 100 million dollars  > D > IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data shows customer revenues of $113 , > million for OpenVMS for the past 6 months.  % So multiplying 113 by 4 yields 100...    ...on Solaris.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 19:14:04 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers+ Message-ID: <2siufsF1kkd8qU1@uni-berlin.de>   3 In article <fQG9ufo2Pxk6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:P > In article <opsfgjmwgszgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:3 >> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:46:37 GMT, Keith Parris   ( >> <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: > K >>> No, it actually doesn't say what HP platforms the 200 customers moved   J >>> to. (I visited a customer site in the NYC area a couple of weeks ago  E >>> where they are actively porting Solaris applications to OpenVMS.)  >>>  >> Tell us more. > ? > _I_ certainly would not hire HP if they betrayed confidences.   E I was waiting for this one.  The old HP choir chant of: "I would tell C you about the big new customer, but then I would have to kill you."   D Of course, based on the information above it could just as easily beE someone with a Sparcstation-I porting some truly trivial application.    But we'll never know.    bill     --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:16:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <4164449E.68D254C4@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: C > IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data shows customer revenues of $113 , > million for OpenVMS for the past 6 months.  M Says a lot about HP when you, an HP employee, need to go to an outside source 5 to get any indication of how an HP product is doing.    G Normal companies have no problems bragging to the world any/all success C stories about their product's growth. John Smith's example about HP L advertising of ISE is very telling of a company tha clearly has an agenda to7 exlcude VMS from any advertising but use VMS customers.     L It would be to the self adavantage of VMS customers to require HP to mentionM VMS in an add that makes use of themselves as reference customers. (since the Q more known VMS is, the easier it is for VMS customer to fidn staff and software).   K ISE should have contractually required HP to mention VMS in the same add as ! the one where they were featured.   K And it is a real shame that HP didn't mention the disaster tolerance of ISE S which was put into action a couple years ago in an event the whole world witnessed.    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 15:37:24 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers3 Message-ID: <hW$RgRfgVipR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <2siufsF1kkd8qU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:5 > In article <fQG9ufo2Pxk6@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Q >> In article <opsfgjmwgszgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes: 4 >>> On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:46:37 GMT, Keith Parris  ) >>> <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:  >>  L >>>> No, it actually doesn't say what HP platforms the 200 customers moved  K >>>> to. (I visited a customer site in the NYC area a couple of weeks ago   F >>>> where they are actively porting Solaris applications to OpenVMS.)  F > Of course, based on the information above it could just as easily beG > someone with a Sparcstation-I porting some truly trivial application.   @ That is not the type of customer to whom Keith Parris gets sent.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:13:53 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers0 Message-ID: <leZ8d.234$dd5.114@news.cpqcorp.net>   JF Mezei wrote: O > Says a lot about HP when you, an HP employee, need to go to an outside source 7 > to get any indication of how an HP product is doing.    G You're jumping to a wrong conclusion here. When you think about it, it  G would be from HP and other vendors that IDC must get the data on which  0 to base its estimates, not the other way around.  D Under contract with IDC, HP has some freedom to share IDC data with B customers. And here, I was merely responding to a post from a Sun : employee who was citing IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data.  F I see much good news about OpenVMS as an HP employee (and which I can @ often share only internal to HP due to reasons such as customer  confidentiality).   A Many VMS customers consider their use of VMS to be a competitive  E advantage, or in other cases a matter of national security, and keep   quiet (and HP must also).   H Some VMS customers are in a position where they can choose to go public G   with their use of and their success with VMS (or allow HP to do so),  A and all of us in the VMS community benefit when they do that. An   excellent example is  F http://www.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/11/28/7758863 and you can B sample many more at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/success-stories.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 18:20:24 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <41646F9B.4EA11AD3@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: E > Under contract with IDC, HP has some freedom to share IDC data with C > customers. And here, I was merely responding to a post from a Sun < > employee who was citing IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data.  N But why doesn't HP actually release those numbers in their financials or other publicly released materials ?   8 Sun has no porblems bragging about Solaris's successes ?  B > Many VMS customers consider their use of VMS to be a competitiveF > advantage, or in other cases a matter of national security, and keep > quiet (and HP must also).   M Yet those very people have no problem bragging about Windows powered aircraft L carriers. So the argument that customers don't want to admit they run VMS isI moot in my opinion. If ISE agrees to be named as an HP customer in public N advertising, I see no reason why it wouldn't want to brag about its advantagesM it gains from VMS. A strategic advantage yields no value if you can't attract ( new customers because of that advantage.  J And HP can't leverage the potenmtial of VMS if it doesn't brag about VMS'sF competitive advantages against HP-UX, Solaris, Windows, AIX and Linux.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:45:24 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <epCdnQ1qIe8f6PncRVn-rw@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Keith Parris wrote: F >> Under contract with IDC, HP has some freedom to share IDC data withD >> customers. And here, I was merely responding to a post from a Sun= >> employee who was citing IDC Quarterly Server Tracker data.  > G > But why doesn't HP actually release those numbers in their financials ( > or other publicly released materials ? > : > Sun has no porblems bragging about Solaris's successes ? > C >> Many VMS customers consider their use of VMS to be a competitive G >> advantage, or in other cases a matter of national security, and keep  >> quiet (and HP must also). > F > Yet those very people have no problem bragging about Windows poweredG > aircraft carriers. So the argument that customers don't want to admit E > they run VMS is moot in my opinion. If ISE agrees to be named as an D > HP customer in public advertising, I see no reason why it wouldn'tB > want to brag about its advantages it gains from VMS. A strategicF > advantage yields no value if you can't attract new customers because > of that advantage. > F > And HP can't leverage the potenmtial of VMS if it doesn't brag aboutG > VMS's competitive advantages against HP-UX, Solaris, Windows, AIX and  > Linux.    I I'm the last person to rush to HP's defense in these sorts of matters but  consider some possibilities:  K - a customer decides to grant limited rights to publish details about their ( environment for a limited period of time> - things change, people change roles in organizations or leave& - other things such as Keith has cited  K These are rational reasons why a customer may choose not to divulge certain @ info today even though they did yesterday or may do so tomorrow.    I What is totally f!cking inexcusable is HP not actively advertising VMS!!!   I Like Keith said, the IDC numbers are just the tip of the revenue iceberg. I Why HP doesn't plow some of that back into VMS-identifiable advertising &  promotion is beyond reason.   K I guess carly(tm) must be hanging out too much with Dick in the undisclosed D location to understand what's required. That or she somehow lost theK Marketing 101 textbook from the MBA course, or perhaps she's reverting back L to what she learned when studying medieval history - there was no mass mediaI advertising back then 'cept the occasional inqusition, which seems to run  wild at HP periodically.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:38:06 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <4164C82E.7030400@tsoft-inc.com>   Michael Kraemer wrote:  n > In article <ck15jf$bab$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>, Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> writes: > 0 >>The 6 monthly revenues for OpenVMS systems are >>around 100 million dollars >> >> > , > how come that some people keep on claimingF > it's a multibillion $ business on 400000 systems with 10 mio users ? >   O Andy boy is probably talking about sales of new systems.  That's not the major  M part of VMS related revenue.  (This ain't PCs we're talking about.)  There's  M hardware maintenance contracts, revenue that just keeps repeating year after  H year.  The same goes for software maintenance contracts.  Possibly some O consulting, facilities management, and such.  The nice thing about VMS and the  K type of customers that use VMS is the ongoing revenue stream, not just the  M system sale.  That's what Compaq just couldn't understand about VMS.  Compaq  P understood sales.  To really profit from VMS, HP must understand customers, and N things that go with customers and long term relationships, such as COMMITMENT!   Dave   -- -4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadt Vanderbilt, PA  15486g   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:17:50 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>Q Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any otherS* Message-ID: <4164C36E.80504@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:r   > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > K >>Itanium servers have embedded graphics in the form of an ATI Radeon 7000.P >> > P > Woopty do. And I can boot my Vaxstation 3100 with its graphics card, but still: > stay in character cell mode if DECwindows isn't started. > H > The presence of some graphics card is seen as a requirement to supportO > Windows, not as a commitment to keep DECwidnows relevant on VMS. What happensrJ > when Microosft and HP decide to pull the plug on Windows IA64 due to low
 > volume ? >   P I'm not a fan of the itanic, but, don't you think you go too far sometimes?  At ? this time I don't think it's worth worrying about these issues.u  P Hey, if you want something worth worrying about, then worry about what we'll do ? if the sun shuts down.  (Not talking about andy boy's company.)    Dave   -- q4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadn Vanderbilt, PA  15486o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:22:15 -0400n( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>Q Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any otheri, Message-ID: <4164C477.5070401@tsoft-inc.com>   JF Mezei wrote:s   > Bob Koehler wrote: > J >>   I want an X server that is supported, not one that just happens to beC >>   there.  IMHO if the X server is supported, it is a workstation 7 >>   (marketing can work out what the maning of is is).e >> > M > A good sign that VMS management intends to support graphics would be to see L > resources allocated to giving VMS Motif 2.1 or I think 2.2 is out now. And< > then spruce up many of the X utilities that come with VMS. > K > The fact that VMS is so far behind other competing OSs (including its new G > brother HP-UX) is an indication that VMS management does not think ite" > necessary for VMS to have a GUI. >   K Well, there are others who also don't care whether VMS has a GUI.  I'm not oQ running one system with DECwindows.  If I need to provide a GUI interface in any  M applications, I'll use windoz and support the GUI with services on VMS.  The oP damn users are gonna have a damn windoz system on their desk regardless of what 1 you or anyone else says.  Wake up.  Dream's over.r   Dave   -- e4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:55:28 GMTo4 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com>W Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS')R0 Message-ID: <km19d.259$RG5.250@news.cpqcorp.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:4164438D.A1B9DBA8@teksavvy.com... > Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >2G > > Itanium servers have embedded graphics in the form of an ATI Radeon. 7000.o >nJ > Woopty do. And I can boot my Vaxstation 3100 with its graphics card, but still : > stay in character cell mode if DECwindows isn't started. >tH > The presence of some graphics card is seen as a requirement to supportG > Windows, not as a commitment to keep DECwidnows relevant on VMS. Whatg happens J > when Microosft and HP decide to pull the plug on Windows IA64 due to low
 > volume ?  L I apologize JF, more importantly - I apologize to the group.  I responded to you, always a mistake.  < Again, sorry for the bandwidth sucked out of everyones life.   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 22:52:23 -0500r+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)iW Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS')h3 Message-ID: <+Q2Q5fqeheBH@eisner.encompasserve.org>r  g In article <km19d.259$RG5.250@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:t > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message( > news:4164438D.A1B9DBA8@teksavvy.com...  N > I apologize JF, more importantly - I apologize to the group.  I responded to > you, always a mistake.  ! 	Well...  how about some JF tips?4  < 	Antagonist he is.  But out of it, there comes some classic,; 	instructive responses.  Maybe too few to be worth it.  But-4 	the seminal classic riposte to monsieur JF is found 	in several links.  One here:D   http://tinyurl.com/576sa  : From: Jamie Hanrahan, Kernel Mode Systems (jeh@cmkrnl.com)" Subject: Re: FX!32, affinity etc.  Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsm Date: 1997/05/28 e    , 	Just a few days ago, here is one technique:   http://tinyurl.com/3oezy   	JF writes:v  L > What would be interesting now would be to compare more recent market shareH > between solaris, HP-UX, Tru64 , AIX and Linux. I'd be willing to bet aJ > chocolate cookie that Sun is fairing better than both HP-UX and AIX, but# > certainltly not as good as Linux.-  A 	Tell us what that means, "recent" and "fairing better" , solarise# 	versus others are vacuous at best.2   ---0  ; 	And of course JF slinks off.  Key here, is to not take the9? 	bait - call JF out and he mostly goes away.  Many examples of a> 	baiting, in fact 10+ years of c.o.v posting - mostly baiting.   	Now in all this, sure we tire.   > 	And often times - no response is necessary or mandated , lest) 	you be a fool and continue in the folly.i   > > > Again, sorry for the bandwidth sucked out of everyones life. >   = 	No problem ... remember , this is the 2004's - we got ordersaC 	of magnitude more bandwidth than the 80s, 2 in soccer, 1 in field  ? 	hockey, meetings, meetings, meetings and of course work!  Back C 	in the early 80s, for me it was very little bandwidth exercised.   ? 	I mean months on end without working , hanging with the crowd.-A 	Now?  Strength comes from above and the "bandwidth" is provided.h   	Just my two cents.    				Rob:   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:02:38 -04001- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS') oq, Message-ID: <4164BFC2.E33917A4@teksavvy.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:N > I apologize JF, more importantly - I apologize to the group.  I responded to > you, always a mistake.  3 Please try to see it from customer's point of view.i   I just went to the HP web site.   D http://www.hp.com/products1/servers/integrity/entry_level/index.html  L Does show some models with VMS available (soon) or "evaluation release". ButL the specs make no mention of any graphics cards or packaging of servers into workstations being available.@  	 Going to: ) http://www.hp.com/workstations/index.htmlo  N One sees the wintel stuff, and then there is the "RISC" workstations. The riscI page includes both PaRisc and Alphastation products (including new PaRisc3) models). No mention of IA64 based models.V  F Combine this with the announcement that HP was pulling out of the IA64M workstation market, and please understand that since the average customer may H not see your messages, he won't know that it is possible to turn an IA64N server into a workstation and whether such config will support VMS or not (for graphical use).a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:08:31 -0400p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>uY Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') OS , Message-ID: <416442AD.1F9B29F8@teksavvy.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:J >    I want an X server that is supported, not one that just happens to beC >    there.  IMHO if the X server is supported, it is a workstationc7 >    (marketing can work out what the maning of is is).o  K A good sign that VMS management intends to support graphics would be to seelJ resources allocated to giving VMS Motif 2.1 or I think 2.2 is out now. And: then spruce up many of the X utilities that come with VMS.  I The fact that VMS is so far behind other competing OSs (including its new-E brother HP-UX) is an indication that VMS management does not think ita  necessary for VMS to have a GUI.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:12:15 -0400g- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>iY Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') OSs, Message-ID: <4164438D.A1B9DBA8@teksavvy.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > K > Itanium servers have embedded graphics in the form of an ATI Radeon 7000.e  N Woopty do. And I can boot my Vaxstation 3100 with its graphics card, but still8 stay in character cell mode if DECwindows isn't started.  F The presence of some graphics card is seen as a requirement to supportM Windows, not as a commitment to keep DECwidnows relevant on VMS. What happenssH when Microosft and HP decide to pull the plug on Windows IA64 due to low volume ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:07:53 +0200.9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>v* Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today' Message-ID: <41645099.55C7F6C5@aaa.com>n   John Smith wrote:e > @ > From the sounds of it, ISE has implemented a really big WintelN > installation....after all what else could "standards-based" mean these days?& > Unless of course it was Intel/Linux.  < No, Wintel is *industry-standard*, VMS is only "standard"...   :-)   	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:09:26 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today, Message-ID: <_umdna25jMWYwvncRVn-ug@igs.net>   Jan-Erik Sderholm wrote:- > John Smith wrote:- >>A >> From the sounds of it, ISE has implemented a really big WintelaC >> installation....after all what else could "standards-based" means3 >> these days? Unless of course it was Intel/Linux.  >e> > No, Wintel is *industry-standard*, VMS is only "standard"... >  > :-)f      C Actually what is *standard* is HP's continual lack of advertising &eH marketing of VMS to all those organizations and companies who have neverD heard of VMS but who could really use its features to their benefit.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:54:16 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today+ Message-ID: <4164BDE8.E46AF5D6@comcast.net>v   John Smith wrote:A > I > Two full-page HP ads in my newspaper today, one about a known Alpha/VMS E > user - actually one widely trumpeted in an OpenVMS 'success story'.o >  > Text follows:t >  > Wall Street without walls.G > International Securities Exchange, the world's largest equity options,K > exchange, conducts all trading electronically.  As a result, they require K > unprecedented computing power.  As their partner, HP Services designed, a N > standards-based solution that ensures instantaneous processing and automaticM > recovery from virtually any failure.  Since 2000, ISE has expanded capacityoI > by several hundred percent, and now can handle hundreds of thousands ofs. > transactions per second.  So much for walls. > @ > From the sounds of it, ISE has implemented a really big WintelN > installation....after all what else could "standards-based" mean these days?  H Well, there are "industry standards" (ISO, ANSI, CCITT, IEEE, EIA, IETF,/ etc.), and then there are Micro$lop dictates...-   -- i David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsc http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:58:57 +0200 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com>-* Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today7 Message-ID: <4164cc9e$0$76512$b83b6cc0@news.wanadoo.nl>a  3 Actually, they gave away a hint, in the first line:-   > Wall Street without walls.  ' Windows can only be placed in walls :-)1  G > International Securities Exchange, the world's largest equity options K > exchange, conducts all trading electronically.  As a result, they requiregK > unprecedented computing power.  As their partner, HP Services designed, aS  - And probably "designed" only, not implemented   N > standards-based solution that ensures instantaneous processing and automaticM > recovery from virtually any failure.  Since 2000, ISE has expanded capacitysI > by several hundred percent, and now can handle hundreds of thousands ofs. > transactions per second.  So much for walls.   See remark above   -- Alex.-   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 15:48:05 -0700 . From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)8 Subject: Re: Rules for commenting out continuation lines= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0410061448.3fd06521@posting.google.com>0  Q Phaeton  <spam@spam.org> wrote in message news:<2sgsajF1kmnrkU1@uni-berlin.de>...f1 > Alan E. Feldman <spamsink2001@yahoo.com> wrote:u >  > > but not here...l >    > > DCL> @Ae > > $  A = "A" +  -r > >       "B" +  -
 > >       "C"s > > $ SHOW SYMBOL Ag > >  A = "ABC"1 > > $ IF (F$TYPE(A).NES."") THEN DELETEZ/SYMBOL At > > $n > > $  A = "A" +  -n > > !      "B" +  - B > > %DCL-W-EXPSYN, invalid expression syntax - check operators and > > operands
 > >       "C" J > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling	 > > \"C"\A > > $ SHOW SYMBOL AiA > > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellingo1 > > $ IF (F$TYPE(A).NES."") THEN DELETEZ/SYMBOL Ao > > $a > > $  A = "A" +  -e > > $!     "B" +  -dA > > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spellingr > > \$\o
 > >       "C" J > > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling	 > > \"C"\p > > $ SHOW SYMBOL A A > > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling 1 > > $ IF (F$TYPE(A).NES."") THEN DELETEZ/SYMBOL A  > > $4
 > > $ EXIT > > DCL> >  i > > ?h >  <I > > I have done the same commenting out in both procedures, yet one works-J > > but the other doesn't. What are the rules for this? Is this documentedH > > somewhere? I looked in the User's Manual but could not find anything > > about this there.- >  gH > > And while $! and ! both work in the DIR case, I would think that the > > latter is preferable.T > C > 	I think, I might be wrong, but it seems to me in the second casevC > 	with the symbols the "-" sign might be treated as a "minus" ( assC > 	part of the "+", "-", "*", "/" operands ) and not a continuationl, > 	sign as in a DCL command. Just my idea... > 						   Cheers,  Csabat  F Yes, but it *is* treated as a continuation char when no commenting out is done. So why the difference?t   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Oct 2004 19:59:51 -0500 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)r Subject: Re: Tel. Co. Sys. Op.?d3 Message-ID: <5ff1hdJDsNSL@eisner.encompasserve.org>n  g In article <6b70c71c.0410050659.64c27d64@posting.google.com>, mark_tarka@yahoo.com (Mark Tarka) writes:a   > 3 > First, what's the depth of the data in years froms+ > today (for how long is information kept)?n >    	[snip]e >n2 > What information is stored (what a consumer sees8 > on the monthly statement -- date, time, number dialed,+ > city, state, duration of call, and cost)?r >   < 	I had an "issue" once and needed old billing information.  < 	A kid on a bike hit me (clearly) and using my cellphone , I: 	called all around to get help, talk to the 2 kids parentsG 	(one was on the back of the bike), etc.  I had waited too long... was .E 	told by Sprint they kept it for 6 months.  Maybe they keep it longer0> 	and didn't want to tell me (me as an end-user had access to 6> 	months worth).   This was 6 years ago.  In the end, it didn't< 	matter that I couldn't get the information I wanted/needed.     				Rob1   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 02:46:56 +0800w From: prep@prep.synonet.comf- Subject: Re: Update Multiple decnet databases - Message-ID: <874ql7wuov.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> writes:t  I > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:43:37 -0700 (PDT), da2341@cedar.ca.sbc.com wrote:e >o< >>Does anyone have a command procedure to update new decnet . >>addresses accross multiple decnet databases? >eE > See SYSMAN suggestions, but if you can create and maintain a single > > reference database, then Decnet Phase IV will do it for you: >h
 > $ MC NCP > NCP> SET EXEC NODE <target>.= > NCP> COPY KNOWN NODES FROM <source> USING PERMANENT TO BOTH    It is a pity you can't    J NCP TELL KNOW NODES COPY KNOWN NODES FROM <source> USING PERMANENT TO BOTH   -- e< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.f@                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:48:48 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>- Subject: Re: Update Multiple decnet databasesS+ Message-ID: <4164BCA0.A0805556@comcast.net>n   Marty O'Connor wrote:c > f > "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:416342A8.3E25EE1@comcast.net..." > : da2341@cedar.ca.sbc.com wrote: > : >a? > : > Does anyone have a command procedure to update new decnetg2 > : > addresses accross multiple decnet databases? > : > > : If it's a cluster, there's always SYSMAN where you can SETD > : ENVIRONMENT/CLUSTER, then DO MCR NCP command... or DO @filespec. > :r0 > SYSMAN also works between non-clustered nodes.   ...provided one has:   o DECnet o the required passwordsD o the willingness to transmit those passwords in cleat text over the wireH o the target procedures located on volumes with identical logical volume" names and directories on all nodes  D That is, yes: within limits. Seemed rather a brash assumption in the moment, so I didn't mention it.-   -- c David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/p   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:48:57 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>i Subject: What is HP anyway?o, Message-ID: <8q2dnWCiJOsVPfncRVn-vQ@igs.net>  L http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1211&e=3&u=/infoworld/20041# 006/tc_infoworld/48406&sid=96742481r  $ HP unveils inkjet and laser printers   Ephraim Schwartz  J San Francisco (InfoWorld) - At TechXNY this week, Hewlett-Packard remindedK business users that it is still an active innovator in printers and imagingv devices.  E The company unveiled more than 20 printers and print server products,6 including ...... more...    I See... now the Press is confused....here they are thinking that HP is theoL digital camera and LCD TV company, and HP suddenly springs printers on them. Confusion reigns.h  ? At least the Press will never mistake HP as a computer company.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:26:41 -0400t2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>' Subject: Re: www.hp.com/go... URL links / Message-ID: <41647121.17293.24422479@localhost>P  E How about www.hp.com/go/vax ?  For most people, going to the OpenVMS   site would be right...  
 --Stan Quaylee Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363-3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA50 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:38:29 -0400, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: www.hp.com/go... URL links (was: Re: Maximum file size, FAQ v.  "Guide to Op , Message-ID: <416458d0$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  1 done.. it should be live within a couple of hourse -warrenw3 and no I won't change all the OpenVMS ones to VMS..e  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:41630EE2.8F7FFA72@teksavvy.com... > warren sander wrote: > >tK > > These are the current OpenVMS marketing url's (plus Doc, rtr and spd's)cI > > I'm the person who requests them for the OpenVMS site.. If there is a6: > > shortcut url you'd like to have created let me know... >j > www.hp.com/go/vmse   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:42:46 -0400, From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com>Y Subject: Re: www.hp.com/go... URL links (was: Re: Maximum file size, FAQ v.  "Guide to Opa, Message-ID: <416459cf$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  K I can't do that. the spreadsheet report has lots of columns and information  that is hp-restrictedu  K and you really don't want the entire list as some of them are years old andy very crufty. An attempt isB made yearly to clean things out but it's not the highest priority.  L And lots of these marketing urls are used on offers (flyers, tv ads, etc) to track who got the brochure etc.i  L I can either get the list of everything or look 'web section' by web section# for them (OpenVMS is a web section,pL OpenVMS doc is one, HP-UX is one etc) but often they are mish-mashed around. Most folks don't use themaJ like Hoff asked to got to pages like the faq etc. so don't expect lots for& integrity that will but really useful.      ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:41633D87.3C214511@comcast.net...o > warren sander wrote: > >hF > > one more thing.. currently there are over 21,000 marketing urls on	 hp.com...-' > > (those are www.hp.com/go etc url's)  > F > ...which begs the question: if you can determine that, presumably byC > counting, can a list be generated automatically? ...and since you.8 > categorized them, can that also be done by automation? > F > The goal would be to generate - on demand - a list of VMS, Alpha andH > Itanic^Hum related "go" URLs, download the list, convert it to an HTML> > page and upload that to a location pointed to by a link fromJ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/[index.html], all in a scheduled batch> > job (once every 14 days or so to hold bit-rot to a minimum). >Y > Your thoughts? >e > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systemso > http://www.djesys.com/ >.+ > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:l$ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ >i* > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:49:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>uY Subject: Re: www.hp.com/go... URL links (was: Re: Maximum file size, FAQ v. "Guide to Ope , Message-ID: <41646848.40C02ADB@teksavvy.com>   warren sander wrote: > 3 > done.. it should be live within a couple of hoursc > > www.hp.com/go/vmsn    = Thanks. That is a valuable enhancement. And it already works.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:33:28 -0500-2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: www.hp.com/go... URL links (was: Re: Maximum file size, FAQ v. "Guide to Opet+ Message-ID: <4164B908.A68BDF7C@comcast.net>6   warren sander wrote: > M > I can't do that. the spreadsheet report has lots of columns and informationv > that is hp-restricted  > M > and you really don't want the entire list as some of them are years old and  > very crufty. An attempt isD > made yearly to clean things out but it's not the highest priority.  H Well, I'm really just looking to have an index of "go" links that are at leats remotely VMS-related.o  B So, what I'll do (as time permits) is build a links page from yourC earlier post and include a caveat that the info is quite static andg# likely to be very stale eventually.d  " ...unless you have another idea...   Thanx much!e   -- m David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:," http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/m   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.556 ************************