1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 09 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 560       Contents: Re: Backup & NFS3 Re: DECW: Specifying font/colour in XmString on VMS ! Re: Disk corruption and Pathworks ! Re: Disk corruption and Pathworks ! Re: Disk corruption and Pathworks  Re: ftp directory (ls) format / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers  Re: Java & Tomcat ( memory performance Alpha, Itanic and SUN MONITOR  Re: MONITOR  Re: MONITOR  Re: MONITOR  Re: MONITOR  Re: MONITOR ( Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program( Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program( Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program( Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program( Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program( Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad  Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad  Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad O Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any  other  OS') ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today 5 PRODUCT UNDO PATCH broken for VMS 7.3-1 RPC-0400 kit? 9 Re: PRODUCT UNDO PATCH broken for VMS 7.3-1 RPC-0400 kit? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:48:40 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Backup & NFS + Message-ID: <41674378.91A8A698@comcast.net>    JOUKJ wrote: >  > Dale Dellutri wrote:P > > On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:54:55 +0200, JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote: > >  > >>Dale Dellutri wrote: > >>Q > >>>On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:40:31 +0200, JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:  > >>> H > >>>>I'm trying to backup NFS mounted filesystems to tape using the VMS > >>>>backup command.  > >>>>I get some weird errors:R > >>>>%BACKUP-E-OPENDIR, error opening directory TARANTELLA$ROOT:[HOME.JOUKJ.PLOT]( > >>>>-SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileL > >>>>%BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening TARANTELLA$ROOT:[HOME.JOUKJ]PLOT.DIR;1 > >>>>as input( > >>>>-SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileG > >>>>The error ocuurs when the NFS mounted file systems are physically K > >>>>located on a PC with Fedora core 2. (File systems located on an Alpha , > >>>>with Redhat 7.x seem to be unaffected)N > >>>>The files which "cannot be found" are always directory files, and always > >>>>the same directory files. 	 > >>>>...  > >>> B > >>>This looks like a permissions or symbolic link problem.  What > >>>is the output of  > >>>  ls -l /home/joukj/plot  > >>>and > >>>  ls -ld /home/joukj/plotG > >>>on the tarantella FC2 system?  How does the output differ from the C > >>>same commands pointing to directory files that do not have the 
 > >>>problem?  > >>>  > >>O > >>I do not see any difference: plot is not OK end pesch in the same dir is OK  > >>aaee-jj ) ls -ld plot 5 > >>drwx------  3 joukj joukj 20480 Oct  5 09:34 plot  > >>aaee-jj ) ls -l plot > >>total 1768: > >>-rw-r-----  1 joukj joukj   6225 Oct  5 08:43 axis.F90
 > >>etc... > >>aaee-jj ) ls -ld pesch5 > >>drwx------  2 joukj joukj 4096 Jun  3 11:52 pesch  > >>aaee-jj ) ls -l pesch 
 > >>total 468 C > >>-rw-r-----  1 joukj joukj  5012 Jun  3 11:52 adjust_ranstru.F90  > >>etc....  > >  > > 7 > > What is the exact backup command on VMS that fails?  > >  > It is @ > $    backup/log/ignore=interlock tarantella$root:[*...]*.*;* -= >       $tape1:taran_041004.bck/save/med=compact/label=041004  > K > where tarantella$root is the logical name assiociated with the NFS mount.   6 My next question would be: Can you post the result of:   $ SHOW LOGICAL tarantella$root   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:51:30 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> < Subject: Re: DECW: Specifying font/colour in XmString on VMS, Message-ID: <4166FDCE.ACC67792@teksavvy.com>   Martin Kirby wrote: 4 > Try this for a description of 1.2 compound_string: > L > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/motifref2/vol6a/Vol6a_html/ch24.html#25_3_4  B Thanks. I got this to work on a normal label (as per the example),M unfortunatlty, the XmInformationDialog widget doesn't support the XmNfontList M argument so I can't provide it with the font list that allows me to specify a 4 character-set/font combo when specifying the string.  M I found it most interesting that this version of the book seems different and < more complete then the pdf version that had been released toK universities/governments a few years back. (I really hate 700 PDF documents  without any bookmarks).    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:09:35 GMT 7 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> * Subject: Re: Disk corruption and Pathworks/ Message-ID: <P6F9d.357141$Fg5.147932@attbi_s53>   E We have no third-party cache software running.  Only XFC...which is a L possibility, I guess...  We nerver had a problem for the 4 years that we ranF VMS 7.2-1 and have been doing basically the same operations all along.   Thanks,  Tom     @ "Jim Hibbits" <jhibbits two at comcast dot net> wrote in message* news:g5SdnQjMMIb4h_vcRVn-ow@comcast.com...D > Call me crazy, but this sounds like a cache inconsistency problem! Classic 	 > case...  > F > Are you running a third-party cacher?  Are you running any of the HP
 > built-in
 > cachers? > 
 > Jim Hibbits  > Raxco Software > jhibbits at raxco dot com  > D > "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> wrote in message+ > news:4p19d.344875$Fg5.335468@attbi_s53... J > > I've had a second occurrence of disk/directory corruption in 3 months. > The L > > affected directory was the same logical disk directory both times.  ThisL > > directory is a Pathworks share and it's prime use is to send and receiveG > > files from client systems, both Windows and Unix.  We are running a  2-nodeI > > homogeneous cluster configuration on ES40's using OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1  and C > > Advanced Server (the version that came with VMS 7.3-1) w/ECO 2.  > > G > > No other directories have issues and I see no problem with the disk  drive  > > (it's on an EMC SAN).  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 23:17:26 GMT 7 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> * Subject: Re: Disk corruption and Pathworks. Message-ID: <9eF9d.206154$MQ5.60524@attbi_s52>    Paul,   Here is some additional info:  OSIJX2> admin show ver  ! Advanced Server V7.3A for OpenVMS   
 OSIJX2> pwver K Information on Advanced Server for OpenVMS images installed on this system:   L Image Name                     Image Version    Link date          Linker IDL ------------------------------ ---------------- -----------------  --------- ----  I PWRK$MASTER                    V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 06:59  A11-20 I PWRK$NBDAEMON                  V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:20  A11-20 I PWRK$KNBDAEMON                 V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:21  A11-20 I PWRK$STREAMSOS_V7              V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:13  A11-20 I NETBIOS                        V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:17  A11-20 I NETBIOSSHR                     V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:18  A11-20 I PWRK$LICENSE_SERVER            V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:33  A11-20 I PWRK$ADMIN_LIC                 V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 13:02  A11-20 I PWRK$LICENSE_LIBSHR            V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:32  A11-20 I PWRK$LICENSE_MGMTSHR           V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:32  A11-20 I PWRK$LICENSE_REGISTRAR         V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:33  A11-20 I PWRK$LMAPISHR                  V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 10:53  A11-20 I PWRK$LMRPCXNPSHR               V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 10:53  A11-20 I PWRK$LMSRV                     V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 12:48  A11-20 I PWRK$LMMCP                     V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 11:13  A11-20 I PWRK$LMBROWSER                 V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 11:01  A11-20 I PWRK$MONITOR                   V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:28  A11-20 I PWRK$MANAGER                   V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 12:59  A11-20 I PWRK$ADMIN_CFG                 V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 13:00  A11-20 I PWRK$MGTLIBSHR                 V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 12:55  A11-20 I PWRK$WINLIBSHR                 V7.3-120A         9-OCT-2003 07:49  A11-20   J To recover, I created a new directory, copied all the files that were goodG to the new directory, deleted the old Pathworks share and created a new = share using the same name, but pointing to the new directory.   I During our maintenance window on Saturday, I shut down all processes that H had open files on the corrupted disk and used Analyze/disk/repair.  ThisJ cleaned up most of the problems.  After the repair was done, Analyze stillK called out some file problems.  Deleting the remaining files in the problem 6 directory completed the cleanup and Analyze ran clean.       ADMIN/ANALYZE OUTPUT:     OSIJX2> admin/analy/since=30-sep  2   :::::::::: PATHWORKS Error Log Report ::::::::::(            DATE:  8-OCT-2004 07:33:14.59  3    ================= EVENT #2210 ==================   9 Event Time:   30-SEP-2004 12:11:06.96       Node:  OSIJX2  Process Id:   20A21278 Event:        File system error & Event Source: ODS2 File System Library Event Class:  Error   ,       Status:     %RMS-E-FNF, file not found       Function:   ODS2_RMS_open        Operation:  Open File        Username:   PWRK$DEFAULT       UIC:        [360,001] 9       Path:       $1$DGA357:\PWRKS\PCREPORT2\C1BKCL28.DUN       3    ================= EVENT #2211 ==================   9 Event Time:   30-SEP-2004 12:11:07.06       Node:  OSIJX2  Process Id:   20A21278 Event:        File system error & Event Source: ODS2 File System Library Event Class:  Error   ,       Status:     %RMS-E-FNF, file not found       Function:   ODS2_RMS_open        Operation:  Open File        Username:   PWRK$DEFAULT       UIC:        [360,001] 9       Path:       $1$DGA357:\PWRKS\PCREPORT2\C1BKCL28.DUN       3    ================= EVENT #2212 ==================   9 Event Time:   30-SEP-2004 12:11:07.16       Node:  OSIJX2  Process Id:   20A21278 Event:        File system error & Event Source: ODS2 File System Library Event Class:  Error   ,       Status:     %RMS-E-FNF, file not found       Function:   ODS2_RMS_open        Operation:  Open File        Username:   PWRK$DEFAULT       UIC:        [360,001] 9       Path:       $1$DGA357:\PWRKS\PCREPORT2\C1BKCL28.DUN       3    ================= EVENT #2213 ==================   9 Event Time:   30-SEP-2004 12:11:15.12       Node:  OSIJX2  Process Id:   20A21278 Event:        File system error & Event Source: ODS2 File System Library Event Class:  Error   ,       Status:     %RMS-E-FNF, file not found       Function:   ODS2_RMS_open        Operation:  Open File        Username:   PWRK$DEFAULT       UIC:        [360,001] 9       Path:       $1$DGA357:\PWRKS\PCREPORT2\CAP1CL72.DUN       3    ================= EVENT #2214 ==================   9 Event Time:   30-SEP-2004 12:11:15.18       Node:  OSIJX2  Process Id:   20A21278 Event:        File system error & Event Source: ODS2 File System Library Event Class:  Error   ,       Status:     %RMS-E-FNF, file not found       Function:   ODS2_RMS_open        Operation:  Open File        Username:   PWRK$DEFAULT       UIC:        [360,001] 9       Path:       $1$DGA357:\PWRKS\PCREPORT2\CAP1CL72.DUN       3    ================= EVENT #2215 ==================   9 Event Time:   30-SEP-2004 12:11:15.24       Node:  OSIJX2  Process Id:   20A21278 Event:        File system error & Event Source: ODS2 File System Library Event Class:  Error   ,       Status:     %RMS-E-FNF, file not found       Function:   ODS2_RMS_open        Operation:  Open File        Username:   PWRK$DEFAULT       UIC:        [360,001] 9       Path:       $1$DGA357:\PWRKS\PCREPORT2\CAP1CL72.DUN    ADMIN SHOW EVENTS:  * OSIJX2> admin show event/full/since=30-sep  . Events in System Event Log on server "OSIJX2":  K T Date     Time        Source    Category        Event  User       Computer L - -------- ----------- --------- --------------- ------ ---------- --------- ----  I I 10/02/04 06:44:39 PM Eventlog  None            6005   N/A        OSIJX2 " The Event log service was started.  I I 10/02/04 06:44:00 PM Eventlog  None            6005   N/A        OSIJX1 " The Event log service was started.  I W 10/02/04 06:27:38 PM BROWSER   None            8021   N/A        OSIJX2 L The browser was unable to retrieve a list of servers from the browser master \\O F SIJX1 on the network netbios/streams/nbes. The data is the error code. Data: -     0000: 35 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    5.......   I W 10/02/04 06:27:27 PM BROWSER   None            8021   N/A        OSIJX2 L The browser was unable to retrieve a list of servers from the browser master \\O F SIJX1 on the network netbios/streams/knbs. The data is the error code. Data: -     0000: 35 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    5.......      Total of 4 events   E This is a DCL code fragment of a procedure that first encountered the  problem.  I though5 it was a DCL bug at first until I saw the corruption.    $! TEST PROGRAM  $! $ say := write sys$output  $ on errors then goto errors  $ search_file = "PCREPORT:C*.%%" $ file_cnt = 0 $! $FILE_LOOP1:H $! loop through all the CITI files, generate an "array" of file names...$ $ cur_file = f$search(search_file,1)E $       msg_text1 = "FILE RENAME ERROR **  Current File: ''cur_file'" + $ If cur_file .eqs. "" Then GoTo loop1_exit ( $ say "    Found CITI File: ''cur_file'" $!7 $! Build an array of file names that need to be renamed " $ search_file'file_cnt' = cur_file $ file_cnt = file_cnt + 1  $! $    GoTo file_loop1 $! $LOOP1_EXIT: $! $ loop_cnt = file_cnt  $ say "" $ say ""K $ Inquire/nopunct yn "Do you wish to process these ''loop_cnt' files now? "  $ say "" $ exit $! $ERRORS: $ say "" $ say msg_text1  $ exit  ' ---------------------------------------  From Node OSIJX2' ---------------------------------------    OSIJX2> @lbridgetest  ) Do you wish to process these 0 files now?    OSIJX2> dir PCREPORT:C*.%%  & Directory DISK$DATA8:[PWRKS.PCREPORT2]  = CA427065.MT;1              2/18       29-SEP-2004 12:55:23.63 = CB426886.MT;1              1/18       29-SEP-2004 12:55:23.71    Total of 2 files, 3/36 blocks.   OSIJX2> set verify OSIJX2> @lbridgetest $ say := write sys$output  $ on errors then goto errors  $ search_file = "PCREPORT:C*.%%" $ file_cnt = 0 $! $FILE_LOOP1:D $!      loop through all the CITI files, generate an "array" of file names...* $       cur_file = f$search(search_file,1): $       msg_text1 = "FILE RENAME ERROR **  Current File: "1 $       If cur_file .eqs. "" Then GoTo loop1_exit  $LOOP1_EXIT: $! $ loop_cnt = file_cnt  $ file_cnt = 0 $ say ""   $ say ""  A $ Inquire/nopunct yn "Do you wish to process these 0 files now? " ) Do you wish to process these 0 files now?    $ say ""   $ exit  4 ---------------------------------------------------- From node OSIJX24 ----------------------------------------------------   OSIJX1> @lbridgetest>     Found CITI File: DISK$DATA8:[PWRKS.PCREPORT2]CA427065.MT;1>     Found CITI File: DISK$DATA8:[PWRKS.PCREPORT2]CB426886.MT;1  + Do you wish to process these 2 files now? n    OSIJX1> dir PCREPORT:C*.%%  & Directory DISK$DATA8:[PWRKS.PCREPORT2]  = CA427065.MT;1              2/18       29-SEP-2004 12:55:23.63 = CB426886.MT;1              1/18       29-SEP-2004 12:55:23.71    Total of 2 files, 3/36 blocks.    4 Here is the ANALYZE output for the disk in question:  I Analyze/Disk_Structure for _$1$DGA357: started on  1-OCT-2004 07:38:07.17 . %ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS" -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file9 %ANALDISK-W-ALLOCCLR, blocks incorrectly marked allocated    LBN 34345836 to 34345907, RVN 1? %ANALDISK-W-BAD_NAMEORDER, filename ordering incorrect in VBN 4 '  of directory PWRKS.PCREPORT (8165,1,1) B  Filenames are CAP1_ABC_04006212004R_06212004_ALLPAY_E.XPTN__2ERPT            and CAP1CL34.DUN ? %ANALDISK-W-BAD_NAMEORDER, filename ordering incorrect in VBN 5 '  of directory PWRKS.PCREPORT (8165,1,1)   Filenames are CB053812.MT*            and CAP1_BZ1017062204214800.DUN@ %ANALDISK-W-BAD_NAMEORDER, filename ordering incorrect in VBN 10+  of directory PWRKS.PCREPORT2 (44055,122,1) (  Filenames are CAP1_DP092304ABC.TXT-PROC*            and CAP1_BZ5010092804214129.DUNE %ANALDISK-W-BADDIRENT, invalid file identification in directory entry /  [PWRKS.PCREPORT2]CAP1_BZ5010092804214129.DUN;1 = -ANALDISK-I-BAD_DIRHEADER, no valid file header for directory E %ANALDISK-W-BADDIRENT, invalid file identification in directory entry /  [PWRKS.PCREPORT2]CAP1_BZ5017092804214129.DUN;1 = -ANALDISK-I-BAD_DIRHEADER, no valid file header for directory E %ANALDISK-W-BADDIRENT, invalid file identification in directory entry /  [PWRKS.PCREPORT2]CAP1_BZ6040092804214129.DUN;1 = -ANALDISK-I-BAD_DIRHEADER, no valid file header for directory E %ANALDISK-W-BADDIRENT, invalid file identification in directory entry /  [PWRKS.PCREPORT2]CAP1_BZN300092804214129.DUN;1 = -ANALDISK-I-BAD_DIRHEADER, no valid file header for directory E %ANALDISK-W-BADDIRENT, invalid file identification in directory entry $  [PWRKS.PCREPORT2]CCSIUPLS0929.SND;1L -ANALDISK-I-BAD_DIRFIDSEQ, invalid file sequence number in directory file ID@ %ANALDISK-W-BAD_NAMEORDER, filename ordering incorrect in VBN 15+  of directory PWRKS.PCREPORT2 (44055,122,1) )  Filenames are CITIBANK_0712_54_MAINT.TXT )            and CITIBANK_0712_51_MAINT.TXT @ %ANALDISK-W-BAD_NAMEORDER, filename ordering incorrect in VBN 19+  of directory PWRKS.PCREPORT2 (44055,122,1) '  Filenames are TEL_DP092304ABC.TXT-PROC '            and TEL_DP081004ABC.TXT-PROC E %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (55870,130,0) CAP1_PLA092404.DUN_Z1015;1   not found in a directory E %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (62265,171,0) CAP1_PLA092404.DUN_Z1010;1   not found in a directory E %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (62286,218,0) CAP1_PLA092404.DUN_Z1011;1   not found in a directory D %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (62305,24,0) CAP1_PLA092404.DUN_Z1013;1  not found in a directory E %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (62323,198,0) CAP1_PLA092404.DUN_Z0301;1   not found in a directory > %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (63496,119,0) GATEWAY999999.TXT;1  not found in a directory 9 %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (64238,47,0) CITINB48R.TXT;1   not found in a directory 2 %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (64270,8,0) QRT.TXT;2  not found in a directory 8 %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (64408,55,0) PVEOSO80.SND;1  not found in a directory 8 %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (64479,84,0) PVEOSO79.SND;1  not found in a directory 5 %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (76516,7,0) ICARDS.TXT;1   not found in a directory 7 %ANALDISK-W-LOSTHEADER, file (76577,51,0) IPLOANS.TXT;1   not found in a directory L %ANALDISK-W-FREESPADRIFT, free block count of 47230398 is incorrect (RVN 1);  the correct value is 47230254   Thanks!! Tom   / "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com> wrote in message & news:ck3fv6$rqm$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com...	 > Hi Tom,  > J > I can't recall any reports in the support center on this.   But what are6 > some of the VMS errors you receive when this occurs? > L > Do you believe the .DIR file has become corrupted or that the file headers
 > or both? > L > If you can do $ DIR <FILE>, does $ DIR/FULL <FILE> then result in an error > such as "no such file"?  > A > How do you recover from this problem (i.e, $ anal/disk/repair)?  > 9 > Are there any related Advanced Server errors seen from:  > , > $ admin/anal/since=<date-problem-occurred>5 > $ admin sh event/full/since=<date-problem-occurred> L > $ type pwrk$lmlogs:pwrk$lmsrv_<nodename>.log;n  ! Where version 'n' is the> > version of the log open at the time the corruption occurred. > G > You can determine whether you're running Advanced Server v7.3 eco2 or  v7.3A  > eco2 by doing: > % > $ @sys$startup:pwrk$define_commands 	 > $ pwver  > 2 > The image ident for v7.3A ECO2 will be V7.3-120A0 > The image ident for v7.3 ECO2 will be V7.3-120 > H > If you're not running the 'A' flavor, that would be the place to start (you; > can get ECO3, the current version, from ftp.itrc.hp.com).  >  > HTH, >  > PaulD > "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> wrote in message+ > news:4p19d.344875$Fg5.335468@attbi_s53... J > > I've had a second occurrence of disk/directory corruption in 3 months. > > The L > > affected directory was the same logical disk directory both times.  ThisL > > directory is a Pathworks share and it's prime use is to send and receiveG > > files from client systems, both Windows and Unix.  We are running a  2-nodeI > > homogeneous cluster configuration on ES40's using OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-1  and C > > Advanced Server (the version that came with VMS 7.3-1) w/ECO 2.  > > G > > No other directories have issues and I see no problem with the disk  drive  > > (it's on an EMC SAN).  > > K > > When the problem occurs, we see problems such as files that can be seen  > > fromH > > one node but not the other. Or you can see the file with a directoryI > > command, but can't do anything with it, such as copy or edit.  In one F > > instance, f$search could find the files from one node, but not the other.E > > In the f$search problem, the files could be seen with a directory  command  > > from both nodes. > > E > > The share directory is on a disk that is mounted cluster-wide and  process G > > privileges are not the issue.  This problem has caused major issues  > > because C > > we depend heavily on automated procedures to manage client file 	 transfers ) > > and files are being missed or "lost".  > > 3 > > Is anyone else seeing problems similar to this?  > >  > > Regards, > > Tom  > >  > >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:51:24 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>* Subject: Re: Disk corruption and Pathworks+ Message-ID: <4167441B.C32E4351@comcast.net>    Tom Simpson wrote: > G > We have no third-party cache software running.  Only XFC...which is a N > possibility, I guess...  We nerver had a problem for the 4 years that we ranH > VMS 7.2-1 and have been doing basically the same operations all along.  @ XFC is non-functional in V7.2(-x), AFAIK, only VIOC is operable.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2004 11:48:39 -0700 , From: JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow)& Subject: Re: ftp directory (ls) format= Message-ID: <4b6ec350.0410081048.1ba58896@posting.google.com>    Thank you for your useful URLs.   ; Does anyone know of an internet FTP site hosted by OpenVMS?   D I do not mean the H.P. FTP site for downloading patches because thatE appears to be run on a UNIX box. If it is run on an OpenVMS box, then ? I will stand corrected ... but then how does it display in UNIX C notation? Which FTP product is running on it in order to display in 9 the format with privileges, dates, sizes, filenames, etc.   = I want to know an FTP site that displays the directory format  fileA  fileB  fileC @ ... the format that the HP TCP/IP services for OpenVMS displays.  6 The third-party product developers want to run a test.  E (... or if there are none, how do I set up our test OpenVMS server to # be FTP accessible on the internet?)   
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:42:27 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers/ Message-ID: <TYC9d.448$SM7.15@news.cpqcorp.net>    JF Mezei wrote: 7 > If ISE agrees to be named as an HP customer in public P > advertising, I see no reason why it wouldn't want to brag about its advantages > it gains from VMS.  ( ISE did want OpenVMS promoted in the ad.  I ISE was a new company starting out from scratch. After they selected the  F software from OM Group (now called OMX), they had a choice of running F the back-end on either OpenVMS or AIX, made a careful evaluation, and F selected OpenVMS. They know well the advantages they have gained from 0 the OpenVMS platform as a result of that choice.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:49:49 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers( Message-ID: <opsfku9btdzgicya@hyrrokkin>  0 On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:42:27 GMT, Keith Parris  % <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:    > JF Mezei wrote: 8 >> If ISE agrees to be named as an HP customer in publicH >> advertising, I see no reason why it wouldn't want to brag about its  
 >> advantages  >> it gains from VMS.  > * > ISE did want OpenVMS promoted in the ad.) Why, and why didn't you guys push for it?  > L > ISE was a new company starting out from scratch. After they selected the  I > software from OM Group (now called OMX), they had a choice of running   I > the back-end on either OpenVMS or AIX, made a careful evaluation, and   I > selected OpenVMS. They know well the advantages they have gained from   2 > the OpenVMS platform as a result of that choice.       --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:05:59 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <PMednYlLvZqT-_rcRVn-uQ@igs.net>   Tom Linden wrote: 0 > On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:42:27 GMT, Keith Parris' > <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:  >  >> JF Mezei wrote:9 >>> If ISE agrees to be named as an HP customer in public G >>> advertising, I see no reason why it wouldn't want to brag about its  >>> advantages >>> it gains from VMS. >>+ >> ISE did want OpenVMS promoted in the ad. + > Why, and why didn't you guys push for it?        Simple really.  H Keith and all the people who actually do the work and see the effects ofL corporate decision-making (if you can call it that) have absolutely zero sayK in what carly(tm) and her sycophants tell the advertising department to run $ in any publication or on television.  I You see carly(tm) audited a marketing course once.... so she's an expert. I She is thoroughly convinced that spending money advertising me-too Wintel K boxes is money better spent than promoting products where HP actually earns 4 profits, otherwise she'd be advertising VMS by name.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:12:21 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Java & Tomcat0 Message-ID: <newscache$sfaa5i$4bj$1@news.sil.at>  \ In article <b7ddm0lqpl4c0pt870f0e2fhib9ehd1nvp@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:J >On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:10:48 +0100, "issinoho" <issinoho@gmail.com> wrote:! >>Is this me using TCPWare again?  >  >It looks that way.  > 5 >>Surely TCPWare is supported for these programs. No?  > N >No HP only supports Apache & Tomcat on their own TCP/IP stack. Either take upO >this issue with Process software or install TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS as the  >latter is guaranteed to work.  @ And PSC released TCPware ECOs for exactly this kind of problems. eg. DRIVERS_V562P051  F If you are using a product, patch it up to the latest, then test again# and then complain (if needed ;-)...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:43:58 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>1 Subject: memory performance Alpha, Itanic and SUN 2 Message-ID: <ck757k$j5l$1@news1.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>  $ Look at this little table I found at  6 http://www.cs.virginia.edu/stream/top20/Bandwidth.html  J **************************************************************************  F STREAM Memory Bandwidth --- John D. McCalpin, mccalpin@cs.virginia.edu' Revised to Wed Aug 11 22:30:59 CDT 2004   5 All results are in MB/s --- 1 MB=10^6 B, *not* 2^20 B   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------H Machine ID                      ncpus    COPY    SCALE      ADD    TRIADH ------------------------------------------------------------------------K SGI_Altix_3000                   512 854062.0 854338.0 1008594.0 1007828.0  H NEC_SX-7                          32 876174.7 865144.1 869179.2 872259.1I NEC_SX-5-16A                      16 607492.0 590390.0 607412.0 583069.0  H NEC_SX-4                          32 434784.0 432886.0 437358.0 436954.0H HP_AlphaServer_GS1280-1300        64 407351.0 400142.0 437010.0 431450.0H Cray_T932_321024-3E               32 310721.0 302182.0 359841.0 359270.0H NEC_SX-6                           8 202627.2 192306.2 190231.3 213024.3H Cray_C90                          16 105497.0 104656.0 101736.0 103812.0H SGI_Origin3800-500               256  87019.5  85514.4 101695.6  99680.2H Cray_X1                            4  74417.0  77577.0  83629.0  84455.0H HP_Integrity_SuperDome            64  82695.0  82476.0  83013.0  84223.0H Sun_F25K-1050-72chip             144  68184.1  67462.7  75402.7  76097.8H IBM_eServer_p690+                 32  51455.0  53425.0  58651.0  58891.0H Sun_F15K                          72  54665.4  47703.7  46090.7  50724.3H HP_AlphaServer_ES80-1150           8  44415.0  45203.0  49091.0  49729.0H SGI_Origin2000-250               256  42824.2  43213.5  48285.8  49275.5H Cray_SV1ex                        32  42317.8  42237.9  47829.8  47821.9H IBM_eServer_p5-570                16  40465.0  40132.0  44907.0  45187.0H Fujitsu_VPP5000                    1  37780.0  35724.0  34595.0  37544.0H IBM_eServer_p670+                 16  32947.0  33673.0  35925.0  36818.0B ------------------------------------------------------------------  J It clearly shows how the Itanic is crushing the Alpha, not to mention the & enormous power of the Sun Sparc cpu's.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 11:22:52 -07001 From: "Wolf, Gerald J" <gerald.j.wolf@boeing.com>  Subject: MONITORR Message-ID: <3BFEACE361F5BF429DD1DA593E3A7C0903273D06@xch-nw-28.nw.nos.boeing.com>  	 Good day,   D I need to put together a MONITOR job. I need to monitor CPU, MEMORY,H DISK I/O if Possible, and Number of users during a specified time duringC the day. I am not familiar with MONITOR. I think I need /record and 	 /summary.   A I need to have this done on a daily basis so I can produce daily, $ possibly weekly and monthly reports.  G I thought maybe someone out there might already be doing this. Any help  would be appreciated.    Warmest Regards,  
 Gerry Wolf=  Organization: Complex Problem UNIX Systems Administrator,=20   "Legacy" server support.=20  desk ph: (253)931-4306  =20    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:52:51 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com>  Subject: Re: MONITORD Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410081248350.2252@localhost.localdomain>  ) On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Wolf, Gerald J wrote:   G > I need to put together a MONITOR job. I need to monitor CPU, MEMORY,  D > DISK I/O if Possible, and Number of users during a specified time A > during the day. I am not familiar with MONITOR. I think I need   > /record and /summary.  > D > I need to have this done on a daily basis so I can produce daily, & > possibly weekly and monthly reports.  F Look in the _System Manager's Manual: Tuning, Monitoring, and Complex F Systems_ in the chapter titled "Getting Information About the System" C and the section "Monitoring Operating System Performance:  Running  F MONITOR Continuously".  This section describes a set of three command C files (MONITOR.COM, MONSUM.COM, SUBMON.COM) that do very much like  F what you are interested in.  On my system, two of the three files are F already in SYS$EXAMPLES, so you might not even have to do much typing.  	 Have fun.    - Rob      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX)22                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2004 15:55:28 -0500t; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)i Subject: Re: MONITOR3 Message-ID: <kkvAK4ECNTrH@eisner.encompasserve.org>M   In article <3BFEACE361F5BF429DD1DA593E3A7C0903273D06@xch-nw-28.nw.nos.boeing.com>, "Wolf, Gerald J" <gerald.j.wolf@boeing.com> writes: > Good day,a > F > I need to put together a MONITOR job. I need to monitor CPU, MEMORY,J > DISK I/O if Possible, and Number of users during a specified time duringE > the day. I am not familiar with MONITOR. I think I need /record anda > /summary.S  =    I have the following loop I can run as a detached process:N  	 $set noone $node = f$getsyi("nodename") $set process/name=monitor_'node  $loop:L $if f$search("sys$specific:[sysmgr]monitor.dat") .eqs. "" then goto get_data $date=f$cvtime(,,"day")r $on error then $goto send_errM1 $monitor/input=sys$specific:[sysmgr]monitor.dat -t  /summary=monitor.sum_'date -dD  /interval=300/nodisplay modes,page,pool,fcp,disk/item=all,io,decnet	 $set noon - $!print/delete sys$manager:monitor.sum;*/flag  $goto do_purge
 $send_err:	 $set noon  $mail sys$input system*  Error making new monitor summary, see log
 $do_purge:2 $purge/nolog/keep=3 sys$specific:[sysmgr]monitor.* $!
 $get_data:( $name = "System " + f$getsyi("nodename")2 $monitor/record=sys$specific:[sysmgr]monitor.dat -.   /interval=300/comment="''name'"/nodisplay - ?   /ending=23:59:59. modes,page,pool,fcp,disk/item=all,io,decnet4
 $goto loop    c   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:04:30 GMTO6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <a_c_bustamante@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MONITOR= Message-ID: <O9E9d.26681$QJ3.6762@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>0   You may also want to review T4.>K http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/t4/index.html  I ran monitor anduF e-mailed myself various reports.  I've replaced my jobs with T4, whichJ gathers monitor  as well as additional information.  T4 gathers everythingG you've specified.  I've also added database metrics to T4's collection.r  L T4 is an "internal HP" tool set, in other words not supported.  On the otherE hand, it uses standard VMS tools.  It works, it's an excellent way toeI collect metrics, and solves the disk space issues that monitor recordingsFF can create.  Your results are preserved in a CSV file, which is easily manipulated.       -- h     Andy Bustamante  Remove the ASCII 95s for e-maill    < "Wolf, Gerald J" <gerald.j.wolf@boeing.com> wrote in messageL news:3BFEACE361F5BF429DD1DA593E3A7C0903273D06@xch-nw-28.nw.nos.boeing.com...	 Good day,>  D I need to put together a MONITOR job. I need to monitor CPU, MEMORY,H DISK I/O if Possible, and Number of users during a specified time duringC the day. I am not familiar with MONITOR. I think I need /record and 	 /summary.   A I need to have this done on a daily basis so I can produce daily,e$ possibly weekly and monthly reports.  G I thought maybe someone out there might already be doing this. Any help  would be appreciated.    Warmest Regards,  
 Gerry Wolf:  Organization: Complex Problem UNIX Systems Administrator,  "Legacy" server support.r  desk ph: (253)931-43060   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:30:14 -0500-( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: Re: MONITOR1 Message-ID: <04100817301461@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>p   Gerry Wolf wroteF > I need to put together a MONITOR job. I need to monitor CPU, MEMORY,J > DISK I/O if Possible, and Number of users during a specified time duringE > the day. I am not familiar with MONITOR. I think I need /record andh > /summary.t > C > I need to have this done on a daily basis so I can produce daily,G& > possibly weekly and monthly reports. > I > I thought maybe someone out there might already be doing this. Any help  > would be appreciated.w >  > Warmest Regards, >  > Gerry Wolf= >  Organization: Complex Problem UNIX Systems Administrator,   >  "Legacy" server support.  >  desk ph: (253)931-43061   VMS or UNIX?  
 VAX or Alpha?f  H If VMS/Alpha then check out ECP - or TDC (new version not familiar with)  < http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/system_management.html     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator.* firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:02:09 -0500h2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: MONITOR+ Message-ID: <416746A0.C85F2633@comcast.net>m   "Wolf, Gerald J" wrote:a >  > Good day,t > F > I need to put together a MONITOR job. I need to monitor CPU, MEMORY,J > DISK I/O if Possible, and Number of users during a specified time duringE > the day. I am not familiar with MONITOR. I think I need /record anda > /summary.e > C > I need to have this done on a daily basis so I can produce daily,o& > possibly weekly and monthly reports. > I > I thought maybe someone out there might already be doing this. Any helpm > would be appreciated.1  F Be advised that the MEMORY class was removed from MONITOR circa. V6 orH so. There is currently no way other than a DCL procedure/daemon to track7 memory utilization outside of PSDC/PSPA and successors.g  @ T4 and Co. have some very limited ability to track memory usage.  G ECP lacks graphics capabilities ala SPM/PSPA. Dunno 'bout successor(s),  if any.    -- H David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:23:24 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e1 Subject: Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program , Message-ID: <7s2dnWEzI5OwdPvcRVn-sg@igs.net>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:2 > In article <G4x9d.381$nm7.267@news.cpqcorp.net>,8 > "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:G >> V7.3 I think.  I know that recent versions of TCPIP services for VMS G >> includes xdmcp - some of the network guys hang out here, so I'm sured5 >> one will tell you what version it was released in.n >n= > Thanks for the info, I really do appreciate any help I get,r; > however, it doesn't change the fact that I have no budgetd: > for anything VMS related (The new machines I am going to< > be setting up are a donation.  I am waiting for permission6 > before publicly crediting the benefactor.) things so> > unless someone at HP is willing to send me an OS and Layered8 > Products CD set (over or under the table :-) I will be > stuck running 7.2.  :-(D    ; Call Sun. They'll be happy to send you just about anything.@  C I think HP's .edu program has to start by .edu'ing the so-called HPhI executives in Palo Alto about the importance of a coherent .edu strategy, D but they're so smart they can't possibly learn anything from anyone.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:50:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program , Message-ID: <4166EF6E.969EADE0@teksavvy.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > 1 > Why not try the current TCPIP services from HP?   L the TCPIP Services XDMCP does not support the MIT COOKIES authentication, so4 it canot be used on many of the X clients out there.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 15:53:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program2, Message-ID: <4166F049.2BD0C614@teksavvy.com>  B > > Well, first, I think the newest set of CD's I have is probably? > > 7.2.  No budget for VMS here, so I won't be buying anything B > > newer.  (Not exactly sure what "current" for the VAX even is.)  N TCPIP Services 5.1 or 5.3 contain XDMCP on VAX. It is however a very primitiveK version that does not support MIT COOKIES authentication and which offers a J great security risk since invalid login attempts are not logged and do not@ trigger any sort of intrusion detection/counter measures action.   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:42:46 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)1 Subject: Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu ProgramO0 Message-ID: <newscache$iuba5i$bej$1@news.sil.at>  V In article <2sngotF1n32eqU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:B >Just a quick question,  I know there is MultiNet for the Hobbyist= >program.  Is there an equivalent to the OpenVMS Edu Program?   J Not that I'm aware of, but I don't need it so I haven't looked for so far.  @ >I am about to get some pretty powerful hardware (VAX, not Alpha@ >or IA64) and actually have at least one professor interested at= >this time.  I need to run DecWindows and Xdmcp.  I am fairly ? >certain that MultiNet is the only TCPIP package that does thiso >right.u  9 Then look again. TCPware and TCPIP are both capable, too.e  @ >       In any case, I would really prefer to use MultiNet based) >on my experiences with the alternatives.o  ? That is another matter. But if PSC doesn't offer EDU discounts,iG you're back to TCPIP (unfortunately only V5.3 on VAX, but XDM capable).p  C I prefer TCPware, but TCPIP is quickly catching up (because TCPware C doesn't try to extend the advantages it still has) and having OPSYSg> and IP stack from the same hands does have other advantages...   -- = Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER=% Network and OpenVMS system specialistP E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 16:00:00 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>i1 Subject: Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program + Message-ID: <ck765g$iqi$1@naig.caltech.edu>    John Smith wrote:    > = > Call Sun. They'll be happy to send you just about anything.=  B That's not an exaggeration.  One of the professors here called SunC to inquire about the price of a server and they offered to send him = a dual processor SunFire V880 - gratis.  Of course he happily = accepted.  The V880 is almost exactly the same size and shapef@ as our long departed AlphaServer 2100, and so, logically, it now& resides where the AlphaServer used to.   > E > I think HP's .edu program has to start by .edu'ing the so-called HP2K > executives in Palo Alto about the importance of a coherent .edu strategy,iF > but they're so smart they can't possibly learn anything from anyone.  7 They remind me of parasitic wasp larvae - the ones thatlC consume a paralyzed host insect from the inside.  But I don't thinkFI that the HP executives learned this behavior from studying insects, more F1 likely, as in the larvae, the behavior is innate.   C Only when HP is completely hollowed out will Carly finally move on.U   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:54:27 +0000 (UTC)? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org>r1 Subject: Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program 9 Message-ID: <4167277B.360BB674@encompasserve-or-this.org>i   John Smith wrote:  >    > Bill Gunshannon wrote:? > > Thanks for the info, I really do appreciate any help I get, = > > however, it doesn't change the fact that I have no budget=< > > for anything VMS related (The new machines I am going to> > > be setting up are a donation.  I am waiting for permission8 > > before publicly crediting the benefactor.) things so@ > > unless someone at HP is willing to send me an OS and Layered: > > Products CD set (over or under the table :-) I will be > > stuck running 7.2.  :-(l > = > Call Sun. They'll be happy to send you just about anything.   C Sun ship VMS media? Cool. On the other hand you don't have anything=B you're willing to share to promote VMS in Edu in even a small way.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2004 17:52:43 GMTn( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad+ Message-ID: <2so2faF1n6fe5U2@uni-berlin.de>e  J In article <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE8605AED217@lespaul.process.com>,' 	Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com> writes:  >> -----Original Message----- 3 >> From: bill@cs.uofs.edu [mailto:bill@cs.uofs.edu] ) >> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 1:00 PMl >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com% >> Subject: Not SPAM, but just as bad  >>   >> m> >> I just received a call from a company called IGS who openly> >> admitted farming c.o.v for potential customers "in order to? >> get an advantage over the competition".  I expect others can ) >> expect to be bothered by them as well.o >> > = > Are those the guys in the midwest (around Chicago, IL, USA, A > IIRC) trying to sell hardware (mostly UNIX boxes and some VMS)?  > 7 > I got a call from such a guy last week who would only 4 > say "we have a researcher who looks for contacts."8 > I didn't put it together it might have come from here. >   + Mine was from the 508 Area Code, that's MA.c   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2004 15:48:44 -05000; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)C& Subject: Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad3 Message-ID: <tKDf884zwnlJ@eisner.encompasserve.org>b  V In article <2snvcvF1nbobrU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:= > I just received a call from a company called IGS who openly%= > admitted farming c.o.v for potential customers "in order toI> > get an advantage over the competition".  I expect others can( > expect to be bothered by them as well.  H    Is that the same fellow who sent out spam via the VMS-SIG listserver?G    I'd give everybody his address to block except that I don't time tagi@    my spam blocking list so I don't know what I put in it today.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 20:58:14 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad+ Message-ID: <416745B6.5F1CF8AC@comcast.net>w   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > = > I just received a call from a company called IGS who openly-= > admitted farming c.o.v for potential customers "in order to-> > get an advantage over the competition".  I expect others can( > expect to be bothered by them as well.  G Technically, we could slap him with Do-Not-Call List violations and put ! him more or less out of business.5  F Then again, perhaps it should serve to prove our case to HP: these areH the lengths that people must go to to drum up new OpenVMS business since" HP will not lift a finger to help.  G I let him e-mail me his contact info. since suppliers are getting fewer & and further between than OpenVMS jobs.   -- C David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsi http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:_" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:50:04 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>X Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any  other  OS')6 Message-ID: <41670b7b$0$22755$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  / "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message S& news:bbWdnZAj580PbvjcRVn-oA@igs.net... <SNIP>J > As seen on www.tru64.org 's most recent poll of current Tru64 customers. >P! >      Moving from Tru64 UNIX to?o >      HP-UX   10.58% (20) >      AIX   6.88% (13)T >      Linux   37.04% (70) >      Windows   2.12% (4) >      OpenVMS   1.06% (2) >      Solaris   18.52% (35) >      BSD   4.23% (8) >      Other   1.06% (2)$ >      Not moving soon   18.52% (35) >b <SNIP>H > How about we do a poll of VMS customers' management (not us plebes whoB > actually do the work) and see how they are leaning on the whole? >-  I Good point, so I had a look on Shannon Knows HPC, which is more aimed at A3 management than the os specific site you reference.   H There is a similar poll there, and I trust you will be pleased with the 	 results..e  # Will Tru64 Users Remain True to HP?OM Yes, they'll bide their time and migrate to HP-UX 11i V3 on Itanium   16.18% R (106)  No, They'll Move to Solaris 
 8.09% (53)0 No, They'll Take Their Chances with IBM and AIX  13.44% (88) 6 No-- SCO or no SCO, They'll Join the Linux Contingent  28.09% (184)% No, They'll Make the Move to OpenVMS - 16.64% (109)J No, They'll Do as Millions Have Done and Downgrade to Windows   9.62% (63) It's Too Soon To Tell 
 7.94% (52)  I http://www.shannonknowshpc.com/pollbooth.php?poll=04/01/06/0165881&aid=-1D  5 As you can see VMS is in second place with 109 votes.[   Alex E   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:26:51 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>-* Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today, Message-ID: <2_ydnaCEKtZhdPvcRVn-oQ@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:7 > In article <4166102D.D082F395@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezeit( > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:G >> It has often been stated that VMS is still the platform that handles4- >> the majority of SMS messages in the world.  >> >> yet, according to: B >> http://h71019.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/17199-0-0-0-121.aspx >>3 >> HP-UX now handles 70% of SMS messages worldwide.A >>E >> Who is right ? who is wrong ? Or has HP succesfully converted thatDD >> many ex VMS customers to HP-UX so it can claim 70% of the world's% >> SMS are handled by HP-UX servers ?_ >F >    Define SMS.  J Short Message Service.  A fundamental component of GSM cell phone. You canK send/receive messages up to 160(?) characters in a single message. Many GSMl/ providers allow for free receipt (sender pays).   H I use it frequently to SMS friends/relatives overseas vs. calling on theA phone when I know they are not likely to be at their computers to K send/receive e-mail. Latency is typically similar to e-mail - a few secondsT delay from send until receive.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 22:34:07 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>U* Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today' Message-ID: <4166F9BF.C31B6040@aaa.com>P  3 ISE don't care what's OS is running on there boxes.AA ISE havn't bought computers specificaly from HP for some specific  reason.d? ISE have bought the world leading application package for their_A business (from a 3'rd part, OM Technology in Sweden), and it justT happend to run on VMS...  ? So it's up to OM Technology what OS ISE will use in the future.E  = And, finaly, as far as I know, this deal was made well beforer( HP had anything to do with VMS anyway...  	 Jan-Erik.    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2004 15:50:28 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)E* Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today3 Message-ID: <qPyaJ+tj9tYY@eisner.encompasserve.org>(  R In article <2_ydnaCEKtZhdPvcRVn-oQ@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:  J > I use it frequently to SMS friends/relatives overseas vs. calling on theC > phone when I know they are not likely to be at their computers tolM > send/receive e-mail. Latency is typically similar to e-mail - a few secondss  > delay from send until receive.  E    Must be something AT&T wireless doesn't use.  I've never seen thate$    kind of latency, more like hours.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 17:05:37 -0400I- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>a* Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today, Message-ID: <4167011D.3717FC47@teksavvy.com>   John Smith wrote:nL > Short Message Service.  A fundamental component of GSM cell phone. You canM > send/receive messages up to 160(?) characters in a single message. Many GSM 1 > providers allow for free receipt (sender pays).i  G Note that SMS is even available in the USA now, even on the proprietarymF qualcomm based networks (Verizon etc). (I think the USA didn't use the0 standard term and instead use "text messaging".)  L In europe, SMS represents a sizeable portion of mobile network's profits and) generates millions of messages each day. e  L There used to be some bragging about how VMS was used to handle the majorityN of the SMS traffic of the world. Which is why I was disapointed to see that HPK also makes a claim to that market, claiming that 70% of SMS traffic uses an  HP-UX based platform.t   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:34:16 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today0 Message-ID: <newscache$bgba5i$4bj$1@news.sil.at>  \ In article <4167011D.3717FC47@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: <OT>  M >In europe, SMS represents a sizeable portion of mobile network's profits andm* >generates millions of messages each day.   ? That's an understatement. I haven't thought this of you, JF ;-)4  1 There must be gazillions of SMS messages per day.rL I think, our small country alone has more than that number (but per hour ?).  H The successor to SMS is MMS (which means multimedia like photos from theE built-in mobile camera), is way more expensive and most/older mobiles 8 don't support it, but maybe has the numbers you state...  J Almost everyone was surprised how successfull SMS is (and in the beginningM the prices were enormous - up to almost $1 per message, now free up to $0.2).dM I think the kiddies had the biggest impact (writing messages and love letters,1 during the school lessons ;-) on this business...    </OT>m   -- o Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERi% Network and OpenVMS system specialistu E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:03:27 -0400f- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>d* Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today, Message-ID: <41670EA7.B36822D7@teksavvy.com>    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:J > The successor to SMS is MMS (which means multimedia like photos from theG > built-in mobile camera), is way more expensive and most/older mobilesp: > don't support it, but maybe has the numbers you state...  N Does MMS in europe have inter-carrier exchanges ? My mobile here in Canada hasM had MMS for a few months, but you can't send/receive from any other carriers.t  K Also, MMS is a totally different technology (uses GPRS connections, not theaJ control channel wich SMS uses) and totally different software. So I am notJ sure if VMS has any claims to significant market share in MMS (does anyone know ?).   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2004 11:30:10 -0700r/ From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell)t> Subject: PRODUCT UNDO PATCH broken for VMS 7.3-1 RPC-0400 kit?= Message-ID: <79de9693.0410081030.639687a4@posting.google.com>.  C I'm attempting to do some patch installation testing on VMS 7.3-1.  9 I've installed the PCSI 2.0 kit. After installing the kit @ DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_RPC-V0400--4.PCSI using /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA, I# wanted to remove the kit, so I use:m   $PRODUCT UNDO PATCH    and I get the following error:  6 The following patches have been selected to uninstall:  5 RECOVERY DATA SET 001 created 22-SEP-2004 12:13:59.57o)    -------------------------------------- & --------------------------------------4    PATCH                                  APPLIED TO)    --------------------------------------e& --------------------------------------?    DEC AXPVMS VMS731_RPC V4.0             DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-1f)    --------------------------------------d& --------------------------------------   Do you want to continue? [YES]  $ Processing RECOVERY DATA SET 001 ... Portion done: 0%F %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling	  \REBOOT\   F %PCSI-E-EXEPRUFAIL, product supplied EXECUTE PRE_UNDO procedure failedF -CLI-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spellingC %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error 	 condition   C Looking at SYS$SYSDEVICE:[PCSI$UNDO_001.SYSUPD]PREUNDO.COM, I find:l  
 $ set noon $ say := write sys$output  $!: $! *******************************************************< $! *          START OF SET UNDO TASKS SECTION              *; $! ********************************************************  $! $! $! ** Reboot Warning **k $!C $! If the kit rquires a reboot on installtion, it requires a rebootO upon $! removal.  Set reboot to TRUEh $!% $           reboot_needed   = "FALSE"a $!H $!              ********************************************************F $!              *            END OF SET UNDO TASKS SECTION             *:H $!              ******************************************************** $! $! $ Reboot $! $ if reboot_needed $ then $     say ""< $     say "HP strongly recommends that a reboot is performed immediately"F $     say "after removing this kit.  If a reboot is not performed the"C $     say "system may be left in an inconsistant state, and may not  operate" $     say "as expected." $     say "" $ endife $! $ exit $!  ? The symbol 'Reboot' mentioned above doesn't mean anything on myiE system.  Other patches have similar PREUNDO.COM files, except in somepA the 'Reboot' line is either commented out or made into a label byo? appending a colon.  Patches with the same 'Reboot' line includee/ VMS731_SHADOWING V2.0 & VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI V6.0.h  C Defining a 'do-nothing' global symbol Reboot before attempting this E (thinking that perhaps the symbol definition would get passed down to. a sub-process) does not work.-  F Am I missing something or is there a workaround I haven't been able to	 think of?m   Thanks.:   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:59:28 -0400 From: norm.raphael@metso.comB Subject: Re: PRODUCT UNDO PATCH broken for VMS 7.3-1 RPC-0400 kit?Q Message-ID: <OF2346DF70.BE22113C-ON85256F27.00681E8D-85256F27.00686575@metso.com>b  9 Clearly this is a typo and should as you surmise read notn  
 > $ Reboot   butn   > $ Reboot:   G I assume you can correct it, test it, and then notify George Pagliarulon citing chapter and verse.   / "Pagliarulo, George" <george.pagliarulo@hp.com>i  J kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell) wrote on 10/08/2004 02:30:10 PM:  D > I'm attempting to do some patch installation testing on VMS 7.3-1.; > I've installed the PCSI 2.0 kit. After installing the kithB > DEC-AXPVMS-VMS731_RPC-V0400--4.PCSI using /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA, I% > wanted to remove the kit, so I use:t >  > $PRODUCT UNDO PATCHs >   > and I get the following error: > 8 > The following patches have been selected to uninstall: >y7 > RECOVERY DATA SET 001 created 22-SEP-2004 12:13:59.57a+ >    -------------------------------------- ( > --------------------------------------6 >    PATCH                                  APPLIED TO+ >    --------------------------------------E( > --------------------------------------A >    DEC AXPVMS VMS731_RPC V4.0             DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.3-1c+ >    -------------------------------------- ( > -------------------------------------- >5  > Do you want to continue? [YES] >a& > Processing RECOVERY DATA SET 001 ... > Portion done: 0%H > %DCL-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spelling >  \REBOOT\P >lH > %PCSI-E-EXEPRUFAIL, product supplied EXECUTE PRE_UNDO procedure failedH > -CLI-W-IVVERB, unrecognized command verb - check validity and spellingE > %PCSIUI-E-ABORT, operation terminated due to an unrecoverable error  > conditionk > E > Looking at SYS$SYSDEVICE:[PCSI$UNDO_001.SYSUPD]PREUNDO.COM, I find:  >u > $ set noon > $ say := write sys$outputc > $!< > $! *******************************************************> > $! *          START OF SET UNDO TASKS SECTION              *= > $! ********************************************************a > $! > $! > $! ** Reboot Warning **- > $!J > $! If the kit rquires a reboot on installtion, it requires a reboot upon! > $! removal.  Set reboot to TRUEi > $!' > $           reboot_needed   = "FALSE"l > $!J > $!              ********************************************************J > $!              *            END OF SET UNDO TASKS SECTION             *J > $!              ******************************************************** > $! > $!
 > $ Reboot > $! > $ if reboot_needed > $ then > $     say ""> > $     say "HP strongly recommends that a reboot is performed > immediately"H > $     say "after removing this kit.  If a reboot is not performed the"E > $     say "system may be left in an inconsistant state, and may not-
 > operate" > $     say "as expected." > $     say ""	 > $ endif  > $! > $ exit > $! >6A > The symbol 'Reboot' mentioned above doesn't mean anything on my G > system.  Other patches have similar PREUNDO.COM files, except in some C > the 'Reboot' line is either commented out or made into a label by A > appending a colon.  Patches with the same 'Reboot' line include81 > VMS731_SHADOWING V2.0 & VMS731_FIBRE_SCSI V6.0.0 >rE > Defining a 'do-nothing' global symbol Reboot before attempting this G > (thinking that perhaps the symbol definition would get passed down to  > a sub-process) does not work.  >1H > Am I missing something or is there a workaround I haven't been able to > think of?4 >1	 > Thanks.6   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:27:59 -07005 From: Z <z@no.spam>r, Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?0 Message-ID: <10meq6dmb79upe6@corp.supernews.com>   John Brandon wrote: O > I have been looking around for a snippet of code to perform the following DCL0
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