1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 09 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 561       Contents: Re: Backup & NFS! Re: Disk corruption and Pathworks / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers / Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers ( Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad  Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad M Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') M Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') 2 OpenVMS and Synergex Positions Baltimore/Wash/Phil! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today ! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?  Sun Java and Kodak.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:53:19 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Re: Backup & NFS - Message-ID: <87fz4puxio.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   1 uli_bellgardt@hotmail.com (Uli Bellgardt) writes:   B >> Note that only the BACKUP command on VMS has problems if I do aD >> "set def" on the same VMS system to the directory I just can read >> the contents   E > Some weeks ago I had exactly the same problem. I could $DIR, $TYPE, E > $COPY all files on a NFS drive, but I could not $BACKUP a directory @ > tree from that NFS drive to another disk, I saw the same errorF > message. My personal (and, of course, possibly wrong) conclusion wasF > that $BACKUP has its own ideas about what a disk must look like, and5 > that an NFS drive does not fall into that category.   J Look at the errormessages in the original posting. BACKUP can't *read* the *file* <mumblefrotz>.DIR;1  B BACKUP want to read the directory FILE, and NFS can't handle that.  ( Ironic really. "It's all just a file..."   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:18:58 GMT 7 From: "Tom Simpson" <thomas.simpson1@fubar.comcast.net> * Subject: Re: Disk corruption and Pathworks. Message-ID: <6zR9d.360549$Fg5.73740@attbi_s53>  H The XFC (or VIOC) was not in use with v7.2-1.  I did not intend to imply> that.  XFC was used after we upgraded to v7.3-1 last November.   Regards, Tom   ? "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:4167441B.C32E4351@comcast.net...  > Tom Simpson wrote: > > I > > We have no third-party cache software running.  Only XFC...which is a L > > possibility, I guess...  We nerver had a problem for the 4 years that we ran J > > VMS 7.2-1 and have been doing basically the same operations all along. > B > XFC is non-functional in V7.2(-x), AFAIK, only VIOC is operable. >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 19:39:53 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers- Message-ID: <87oejdv3p2.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   % "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:   E > Do you have one iota of confidence that HP management will do this?   6 I rang HPs help number with a query 3 or 4 years ago.   > "H P U X? what is that, I've never heard of it. Does it run on	 WIndows?"   3 So yes, I have total confidence in hp managment....    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:24:23 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>8 Subject: Re: HP Lands More than 200 Sun Server customers, Message-ID: <416802A7.9020802@tsoft-inc.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:  T > In article <W8edndJ-0tppofncRVn-vg@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes: > M >>And then to put it all into perspective, a single typical middle-sized (2-3 N >>million) city government can spend $30-40 million on just PC's over a 3-yearH >>purchasing cycle and wind up tossing them out afterwards. No invesmentG >>protection, huge virus and worm hassles, high manpower costs. But VMS 2 >>doesn't have applications people want any longer >> > H >    Sure it does.  What it lacks is desktop presence, something DEC did@ >    a poor job of pursuing (and failed), and HP isn't pursuing. > J >    Imaging, if in the 1980's your boss, said:  "Let's get some PCs to doK >    word processing and spreadsheets", and you were able to say:  "For the H >    same price I can get that on a real computer; for a fraction of the/ >    price I can put it on our existing VAXes".  >  >   E It's more than just word processing and spreadsheets.  It's the many  N applications, games, and whatever that sprung up in great disarray when a low O cost platform became available to every wannabe software developer.  In enough  Q specific instances one of these applications was enough to cause a PC to win out  & over systems that didn't support them.  M Bottom line, DEC didn't see any value to them in providing very low cost VAX  J systems, and worried so over their high margins at the top that they lost  everything.    Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Oct 2004 06:29:35 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)1 Subject: Re: MultiNet and the OpenVMS Edu Program = Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0410090529.1f609502@posting.google.com>   [ bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote in message news:<2sngotF1n32eqU1@uni-berlin.de>... C > Just a quick question,  I know there is MultiNet for the Hobbyist > > program.  Is there an equivalent to the OpenVMS Edu Program? > A > I am about to get some pretty powerful hardware (VAX, not Alpha A > or IA64) and actually have at least one professor interested at > > this time.  I need to run DecWindows and Xdmcp.  I am fairly@ > certain that MultiNet is the only TCPIP package that does thisB > right.  In any case, I would really prefer to use MultiNet based* > on my experiences with the alternatives. >  > bill  2 TCPware does it and it is superior to multinet ...   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Oct 2004 13:38:51 GMT ( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad+ Message-ID: <2sq7vaF1ot5s1U1@uni-berlin.de>   + In article <416745B6.5F1CF8AC@comcast.net>, 5 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>  > >> I just received a call from a company called IGS who openly> >> admitted farming c.o.v for potential customers "in order to? >> get an advantage over the competition".  I expect others can ) >> expect to be bothered by them as well.  > I > Technically, we could slap him with Do-Not-Call List violations and put # > him more or less out of business.  > H > Then again, perhaps it should serve to prove our case to HP: these areJ > the lengths that people must go to to drum up new OpenVMS business since$ > HP will not lift a finger to help.  C He doesn't sell VMS he sells used DEC Hardware, probably at greatly  inflated prices.   > I > I let him e-mail me his contact info. since suppliers are getting fewer ( > and further between than OpenVMS jobs.  E I don't know about that. It seems that everytime I try to do a google G search for information on some QBUS or UNIBUS module I get mostly pages G of used DEC hardware re-sellers, all asking ridiculous prices for stuff  I usually get dumpster-diving.   bill    --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:52:05 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>& Subject: Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad, Message-ID: <41680925.3030400@tsoft-inc.com>   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:   >  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > > >> I just received a call from a company called IGS who openly> >> admitted farming c.o.v for potential customers "in order to? >> get an advantage over the competition".  I expect others can ) >> expect to be bothered by them as well.  >> >>   >>F > Not if you can provide the offend MTA's IP or domain so that we can  > block them in advance... >  > Barry  >   M Note that he said 'call', not 'spammed'.  I also got a call.  The person was  J very pleasant, and admitted that they had tried e-mail and was accused of P spamming.  They changed tactics, calling for permission to send info via e-mail.  M I for one think that this is a reasonable approach.  If you don't want their  G info, they would drop it there.  Far cry from the approach of spammers.   Q I've got no use for them at the present, but, it seems a service some VMS people  8 may require at some time.  Seems a valid approach to me.   Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2004 23:00:31 -0700 ' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) V Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS')= Message-ID: <734da31c.0410082200.6845ff16@posting.google.com>    Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<ck635p$4gh$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > David Svensson wrote:  > > Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<ck3oo5$831$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > >  > >>David Svensson wrote:  > >>v > >>>Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> wrote in message news:<ck11gn$9vu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > >>>> > >>>>R > >>>>>SunRay is only an option if you have a Sun server to connect it to.  If youR > >>>>>are using a VMS server for your VXT 2000+ as an X-Terminal, and you want toQ > >>>>>dump it - the simplest option is to get a PC configured with a X emulator. 1 > >>>>>Or just find a new/used Alpha workstation.  > >>>>>  > >>>>K > >>>>Things have changed. SRSS 3.0 (SunRay Server Software) is now in Beta K > >>>>for Linux. I have it running on JDS (SUSE) and it also runs on RedHat I > >>>>so the backend hardware does not need to be a Sun though we do sell L > >>>>the best 2 way and 4 way x86/AMD64 boxes so why would you go elsewhere
 > >>>>anyway.  > >>>  > >>> ? > >>>Andrew Harrison, Sun Marketing, we are the best. How cool.  > >> > >>It is of course a point 8 > >>that could be marketed but then no-one on this group= > >>has ever been exposed to their favourite vendor marketing . > >>OpenVMS on its technical merits have they. > >  > > T > > I actually think they have. Digital used to talk about OpenVMS technical merits. > E > Anything that happened over a decade ago hardly is relevant to this 
 > discussion.   $ You said, "has ever been exposed"...D It is because they have been exposed before they are more upset now.   ------------------------------   Date: 9 Oct 2004 12:42:33 +0100 K From: pmoreau@ath.cena.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.68.40) V Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS')! Message-ID: <5OcrDv81EBVg@sinead>   q In article <xi$c2sYE$8mV@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: h > In article <81W8d.204$yg5.72@news.cpqcorp.net>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes: >>  L >> Itanium servers have embedded graphics in the form of an ATI Radeon 7000.M >> In the rx1600 case, this comes as part of the management processor option. J >> You can also add the ATI Radeon 7500.  We are currently in qual for the >> graphics for V8.2.  > 5 >    OK, it will work.  I think we already knew that.   L Good news, we may at least have some IA64/VMS workstations, a Radeon 7500 isL not bad at all. But, when the pressure to release VMS 8.2 will decrease, canL you take a little time to look at potential sound support on these servers ?N A very basic sound support will be fine (44.1 Khz, Stereo, 16 bits). Actually I even if the sound card is not supported on a DS15 under VMS it works fine N (thanks to William Clemence who told me the DS15 Ensoniq sound card works withN MMOV on a DS15 even if not actually supported). But when DS15 will be EOLed it will be a problem.   TIA    Patrick  --O =============================================================================== N pmoreau@ath.cena.fr  (CENA)      ______      ___   _          (Patrick MOREAU)4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:20:44 -0400 ! From: Hal Kuff <kuff@comcast.net> ; Subject: OpenVMS and Synergex Positions Baltimore/Wash/Phil < Message-ID: <kuff-5AD1D5.06204409102004@library.airnews.net>  G If you know of anyone looking for an OpenVMS position in the Baltimore  < Maryland area we have three permanent full time positions.    >       Sorry, telecommuting is not feasible for these positions  > Referal fees to individuals are available if you know someone.  / OpenVMS Instance Owner/Mid Level System Manager I   * Superior DCL Skills, some decent knowledge of programming languages,   RMS JournalingF   * Synergex DBL (DIBOL) Business Programmers.. multi-year project to A convert existing DBL applications to Web Services; then you will  & transition to an ERP or Java position.   Kuff at Tessco Dot Com 410-229-1589   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 16:03:20 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today8 Message-ID: <ps2gm0lpsodrdvkdfm6pjbhcjacmdakd9h@4ax.com>  K On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:03:27 -0400, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  wrote:  ! >Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote: K >> The successor to SMS is MMS (which means multimedia like photos from the H >> built-in mobile camera), is way more expensive and most/older mobiles; >> don't support it, but maybe has the numbers you state...  > O >Does MMS in europe have inter-carrier exchanges ? My mobile here in Canada has N >had MMS for a few months, but you can't send/receive from any other carriers.  M Initially there was incompatibility between different network providers but I  think that is fixed now.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 16:07:51 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today8 Message-ID: <du2gm0pd50nm9j4balptnvs7b91ifp4rk1@4ax.com>  G On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:26:51 -0400, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:    >Bob Koehler wrote: 8 >> In article <4166102D.D082F395@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei) >> <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: H >>> It has often been stated that VMS is still the platform that handles. >>> the majority of SMS messages in the world. >>>  >>> yet, according to:C >>> http://h71019.www7.hp.com/enterprise/cache/17199-0-0-0-121.aspx  >>> 4 >>> HP-UX now handles 70% of SMS messages worldwide. >>> F >>> Who is right ? who is wrong ? Or has HP succesfully converted thatE >>> many ex VMS customers to HP-UX so it can claim 70% of the world's & >>> SMS are handled by HP-UX servers ? >> >>    Define SMS.  > K >Short Message Service.  A fundamental component of GSM cell phone. You can L >send/receive messages up to 160(?) characters in a single message. Many GSM0 >providers allow for free receipt (sender pays).  P The sender paying is the standard in Europe. One advantage of SMS is that it canP be a lot cheaper than a voice call. ANother is that it is good e.g. passing on a/ telephone number avoiding transcription errors.  > I >I use it frequently to SMS friends/relatives overseas vs. calling on the B >phone when I know they are not likely to be at their computers toL >send/receive e-mail. Latency is typically similar to e-mail - a few seconds >delay from send until receive.  >      -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 17:19:03 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today6 Message-ID: <41680f80$0$22747$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  / "Nigel Barker" <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message  2 news:du2gm0pd50nm9j4balptnvs7b91ifp4rk1@4ax.com...I > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:26:51 -0400, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  >  >>L >>Short Message Service.  A fundamental component of GSM cell phone. You canJ >>send/receive messages up to 160(?) characters in a single message. Many  >>GSM 1 >>providers allow for free receipt (sender pays).  > L > The sender paying is the standard in Europe. One advantage of SMS is that  > it canF > be a lot cheaper than a voice call. ANother is that it is good e.g.  > passing on a1 > telephone number avoiding transcription errors.  <SNIP>  1 http://www.funsms.net/what_people_do_with_sms.htm    Alex     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:30:14 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> , Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?( Message-ID: <41678576.50807@bigpond.com>   Z was overheard to say:  > John Brandon wrote:  > C >> I have been looking around for a snippet of code to perform the   >> following DCL >> command:   >> $ SHOW DEVICE /FILES <device>K >> I want to be able to do this in FORTRAN - but beggars can't be choosers!  >  > I > Semi-related ... I need to find out if a file is open... I'll be doing   > this from a .COM program ... > G > SHOW DEVICE/FILE will tell me if the file is open but I'd rather not  5 > parse its output ...  can I use a lexical for this?  > > > Nothing obvious sticks out in F$FILE as filling the need ...  F Try opening the file for exclusive access -- if it fails, someone else has it open. Check HELP OPEN/SHARE   D       To open a file with no shared access, specify OPEN/READ/WRITE.     Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Oct 2004 07:52:02 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?3 Message-ID: <SCB4wsLItdmc@eisner.encompasserve.org>   X In article <41678576.50807@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: > Z was overheard to say:  >> John Brandon wrote: >>  D >>> I have been looking around for a snippet of code to perform the  >>> following DCL  >>> command:! >>> $ SHOW DEVICE /FILES <device> L >>> I want to be able to do this in FORTRAN - but beggars can't be choosers! >>   >>  J >> Semi-related ... I need to find out if a file is open... I'll be doing  >> this from a .COM program ...  >>  H >> SHOW DEVICE/FILE will tell me if the file is open but I'd rather not 6 >> parse its output ...  can I use a lexical for this? >>  ? >> Nothing obvious sticks out in F$FILE as filling the need ...  > H > Try opening the file for exclusive access -- if it fails, someone else > has it open.  A Of course that will cause a failure for a normal user of the file @ who attempts to open it while you have it open (if you succeed).   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 13:44:15 +0000 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> , Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?* Message-ID: <4167EB2F.6010005@bigpond.com>  % Larry Kilgallen was overheard to say: Z > In article <41678576.50807@bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: >  >>Z was overheard to say:  >> >>>  >>> J >>>Semi-related ... I need to find out if a file is open... I'll be doing  >>>this from a .COM program ...  >>> H >>>SHOW DEVICE/FILE will tell me if the file is open but I'd rather not 6 >>>parse its output ...  can I use a lexical for this? >>> ? >>>Nothing obvious sticks out in F$FILE as filling the need ...  >>H >>Try opening the file for exclusive access -- if it fails, someone else >>has it open. >  > C > Of course that will cause a failure for a normal user of the file B > who attempts to open it while you have it open (if you succeed). >   A True, but without a more detailed explanation of what is actually   required... terse questions etc.   Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 20:39:43 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com  Subject: Sun Java and Kodak.- Message-ID: <87oejcf4kw.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   : So Sun has folded on Java and payed off the yellow bird in1 exchange for THEM to use the `Java' patents. but.   / What is the score for others who run Java apps?   B What is the score for those who do their own Java implementations?  B Will be now have to pay a Kodak tax for the joy of `run anywhere'?   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.561 ************************