1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 10 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 562       Contents: Re: Alpha 4100 power supply  Re: Alpha 4100 power supply  BBC Radio 1 mentions VMS Re: BBC Radio 1 mentions VMS Re: BBC Radio 1 mentions VMS Re: BBC Radio 1 mentions VMS Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad  Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad  Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad O Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any  other  OS') P Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS') oL Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not anyother OS')6 Re: OpenVMS and Synergex Positions Baltimore/Wash/Phil6 Re: OpenVMS and Synergex Positions Baltimore/Wash/Phil! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today 9 Re: PRODUCT UNDO PATCH broken for VMS 7.3-1 RPC-0400 kit? 7 Re: relation between BG buffersize and TCP packetsize ?  RMS NAM questions # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?  Re: Sun Java and Kodak.  Re: Sun Java and Kodak.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:30:53 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: "Robert Santos" <icemanr@zoominternet.net>$ Subject: Re: Alpha 4100 power supplyH Message-ID: <de53584af67b36c44809e9b94668cda2.42059@mygate.mailgate.org>  ( Ill sell you tested workinf power supply    D Shipped any where in Continintal United States for $100 S&H Included     --  8 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 04:31:33 +0000 (UTC) 0 From: "Robert Santos" <icemanr@zoominternet.net>$ Subject: Re: Alpha 4100 power supplyH Message-ID: <6b4fc2da342077d18209d03bf1383bac.42059@mygate.mailgate.org>  
 oh yea email   icemanr@zoominternet or call 330.793.2000 M-F 11-5         --  8 Posted via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:36:52 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>! Subject: BBC Radio 1 mentions VMS 6 Message-ID: <41683ddb$0$22748$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  ? Radio 1 (a popular UK wide radio station) are mentioning VMS...   A http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chrismoyles/questions/answers05.shtml    Then search the page for VMS   Alex   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:47:20 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>% Subject: Re: BBC Radio 1 mentions VMS + Message-ID: <41684047.81B060C3@comcast.net>    Alex Daniels wrote:  > A > Radio 1 (a popular UK wide radio station) are mentioning VMS...  > C > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chrismoyles/questions/answers05.shtml  >  > Then search the page for VMS  * I get "String not found". What did I miss?  . ...or do I have to "View Source", then search?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:55:27 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>% Subject: Re: BBC Radio 1 mentions VMS 6 Message-ID: <41684237$0$22747$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:41684047.81B060C3@comcast.net...  > Alex Daniels wrote:  >>B >> Radio 1 (a popular UK wide radio station) are mentioning VMS... >>D >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chrismoyles/questions/answers05.shtml >> >> Then search the page for VMS  > , > I get "String not found". What did I miss? > 0 > ...or do I have to "View Source", then search? >   E It is there.. Try clicking inside the green frame before you search,  G although I don't have to, but maybe its a browser implementation thing.    Alex     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:21:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> % Subject: Re: BBC Radio 1 mentions VMS , Message-ID: <41685647.524589A7@teksavvy.com>   Alex Daniels wrote: F > >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chrismoyles/questions/answers05.shtml  F > It is there.. Try clicking inside the green frame before you search,I > although I don't have to, but maybe its a browser implementation thing.   L Didn't go into the source, but on the normal browser (Netscape), it wouldn'tL let me select the text. (I have seen a few pages setup like that). But I wasK able to find/select after having brought it into composer (web page editor)    ## Eddy from CornwallI     What type of music format do you guys use for the music on the show -  CD's, MP3's, Mini Disc?  Aled's Answer:M Operations Manager Miles Eames: "Broadcast Wav files played out from Open VMS  servers" Nice. ##  I So, there you go: another argument of why sound support is needed on VMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:41:31 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad+ Message-ID: <41683EEB.30E3C74F@comcast.net>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > - > In article <416745B6.5F1CF8AC@comcast.net>, > >         David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > > Bill Gunshannon wrote: > >>@ > >> I just received a call from a company called IGS who openly@ > >> admitted farming c.o.v for potential customers "in order toA > >> get an advantage over the competition".  I expect others can + > >> expect to be bothered by them as well.  > > K > > Technically, we could slap him with Do-Not-Call List violations and put % > > him more or less out of business.  > > J > > Then again, perhaps it should serve to prove our case to HP: these areL > > the lengths that people must go to to drum up new OpenVMS business since& > > HP will not lift a finger to help. > E > He doesn't sell VMS he sells used DEC Hardware, probably at greatly  > inflated prices. >  > > K > > I let him e-mail me his contact info. since suppliers are getting fewer * > > and further between than OpenVMS jobs. > G > I don't know about that. It seems that everytime I try to do a google I > search for information on some QBUS or UNIBUS module I get mostly pages I > of used DEC hardware re-sellers, all asking ridiculous prices for stuff   > I usually get dumpster-diving.  A Well, I didn't want to say anything, but now I gotta ask: did the G trash-collector test that gear for you? Will they get you a replacement D if it arrives DOA? Will they help you integrate the device into your
 situation?  H Not every reseller will do what we might like them to do. However, as isH frequently proferred here, you get what you pay for, generally speaking.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2004 02:14:39 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad+ Message-ID: <2srk8fF1ntmnmU1@uni-berlin.de>   + In article <41683EEB.30E3C74F@comcast.net>, 5 	David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>  . >> In article <416745B6.5F1CF8AC@comcast.net>,? >>         David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  >> > Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >> >> A >> >> I just received a call from a company called IGS who openly A >> >> admitted farming c.o.v for potential customers "in order to B >> >> get an advantage over the competition".  I expect others can, >> >> expect to be bothered by them as well. >> >L >> > Technically, we could slap him with Do-Not-Call List violations and put& >> > him more or less out of business. >> >K >> > Then again, perhaps it should serve to prove our case to HP: these are M >> > the lengths that people must go to to drum up new OpenVMS business since ' >> > HP will not lift a finger to help.  >>  F >> He doesn't sell VMS he sells used DEC Hardware, probably at greatly >> inflated prices.  >>   >> >L >> > I let him e-mail me his contact info. since suppliers are getting fewer+ >> > and further between than OpenVMS jobs.  >>  H >> I don't know about that. It seems that everytime I try to do a googleJ >> search for information on some QBUS or UNIBUS module I get mostly pagesJ >> of used DEC hardware re-sellers, all asking ridiculous prices for stuff! >> I usually get dumpster-diving.  > C > Well, I didn't want to say anything, but now I gotta ask: did the I > trash-collector test that gear for you? Will they get you a replacement F > if it arrives DOA? Will they help you integrate the device into your > situation? > J > Not every reseller will do what we might like them to do. However, as isJ > frequently proferred here, you get what you pay for, generally speaking.   D Or. sometimes not.  I always go back to a time a number of years agoJ when I thought I was going to be forced to get rid of my entire collectionF of PDP-11's.  I was contacted by a re-seller (who's name I do not evenE remember)  Who offered to buy my stuff.  Considering what the cost of G having hauled away as trash was going to be, I gave him a complete iist F and asked for his quote.  At the time I had; one 11/24, three 11/23's,G two 11/73's, 8 11/02's (Teraks) and a rather varied collection of disks C and racks as well as several dozen spare cards of assorted vintage. E He offered me $100 for all of the modules but would not even consider D taking the racks or disks (which would have cost the most to trash).C Among my list of boards were two brand-new, still in the box UNIBUS C Ethernet cards.  A visit to his web site showed he was asking $1000 C apiece for just his module.  Luckily, events changed and I was able G to retain my collection (which has grown considerably since) but I made E up my mind then and there that if the time came when I had to get rid H of my equipment, if I could not find a hobbyist to take it I would trashH all of it before I would put in the money-grubbing hands of a re-seller.  G This is of course, totally beside the original point and doesn't change H the fact that my name was fished from the news group and used for an un-> sollicited commercial phone call which is just as bad as SPAM.G It only makes matters worse that it comes from a brand of business that G apparently doesn't rank very high above lawyers when it come to ethics.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2004 02:16:24 GMT, From: bill@gw5.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)& Subject: Re: Not SPAM, but just as bad+ Message-ID: <2srkboF1ntmnmU2@uni-berlin.de>   , In article <41680925.3030400@tsoft-inc.com>,+ 	David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: >  >>   >> Bill Gunshannon wrote:  >>  ? >>> I just received a call from a company called IGS who openly ? >>> admitted farming c.o.v for potential customers "in order to @ >>> get an advantage over the competition".  I expect others can* >>> expect to be bothered by them as well. >>>  >>>    >>> G >> Not if you can provide the offend MTA's IP or domain so that we can   >> block them in advance...  >>   >> Barry >>   > O > Note that he said 'call', not 'spammed'.  I also got a call.  The person was  L > very pleasant, and admitted that they had tried e-mail and was accused of R > spamming.  They changed tactics, calling for permission to send info via e-mail. > O > I for one think that this is a reasonable approach.  If you don't want their  I > info, they would drop it there.  Far cry from the approach of spammers.  > S > I've got no use for them at the present, but, it seems a service some VMS people  : > may require at some time.  Seems a valid approach to me.  J So, I take it you like it when tele-marketers call you at dinner time too?   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  * Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:02:23 +0000 (UTC)? From: Graham Burley <burley.not-this@encompasserve-or-this.org> X Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any  other  OS')9 Message-ID: <41683591.77DCA150@encompasserve-or-this.org>    John Smith wrote:  >     > Sorry if I sounded combattive.   Sorry to start it out that way.    > D > Perhaps if each time someone in here points out a missed marketingJ > opportunity for VMS, each of us pointed it out to the most highly placedL > person we know in HP's sales/management organization and asked "Why didn'tI > you take the opportunity to mention VMS" or "That ad should have been a M > showcase for VMS clustering or DR" or something similar, pretty son there'd M > be a loud chorus of voices saying the same thing that would find its way up  > the HP management chain. > L > There *should* be a 1:1 correlation between advertising which could/should; > mention VMS and contact with HP management about that ad.  > N > I say sales/management organization rather than the engineering side because) > sales/management is where the money is.   C There's the rub -- comp.os.vms does not reach your target audience, 0 like VMS your message needs better marketing ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:29:18 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>Y Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS') o + Message-ID: <41683C0E.30AF058B@comcast.net>    Graham Burley wrote: >  > John Smith wrote:  > >  > [snip] > E > I'm not arguing with your point of view, it's valid and needs to be > > said, just not every day. It's the repetition I can't stand.    I sympathize with your concerns.  G However, silence is too often mistaken for acceptance or consent, which 9 makes silence as unacceptable as the whole VMS situation.   < As the old adage goes, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease".   F It's just a question of how long the "squeak" will be tolerated before@ some kind of action is taken, hopefully positive, but one cannot guarantee that it won't be.   C So, until someone finds a way to organize a stock-holder revolt and E forces hp to do the right and fiscally responsible thing, "squeaking" < (or "wailing and moaning", as LJK puts it) is all we can do.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2004 05:45:29 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>U Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not anyother OS') ? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-TYyr5q4nQYr8@dave2_os2.home.ours>   ! On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:01:38 UTC,  < koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:  v > In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-CmG9pS3FMX57@dave2_os2.home.ours>, "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow> writes: > > I > > Thought struck me yesterday. VMS on Charon-VAX running under Solaris   > > on an Opteron machine... > + >    I'd count on simh getting there first.  >   ) Hm, interesting. Never thought of that...    --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:44:35 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>? Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Synergex Positions Baltimore/Wash/Phil + Message-ID: <41683FA3.EF94C9AF@comcast.net>    Hal Kuff wrote:  > H > If you know of anyone looking for an OpenVMS position in the Baltimore< > Maryland area we have three permanent full time positions. > @ >       Sorry, telecommuting is not feasible for these positions > @ > Referal fees to individuals are available if you know someone. > 1 > OpenVMS Instance Owner/Mid Level System Manager J >   * Superior DCL Skills, some decent knowledge of programming languages, > RMS JournalingG >   * Synergex DBL (DIBOL) Business Programmers.. multi-year project to B > convert existing DBL applications to Web Services; then you will( > transition to an ERP or Java position.  C Hhmmmm... Seems a perfect candidate for telecommuting and/or remote G access with occasional site visits, unless you're looking for over-paid H operators or under-paid SysAdmins. Why do you say not feasible? Security0 issues? (If so, then that would be enough said.)   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 9 Oct 2004 15:42:12 -0700 ( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)? Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Synergex Positions Baltimore/Wash/Phil < Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0410091442.4750ba2@posting.google.com>  e Hal Kuff <kuff@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<kuff-5AD1D5.06204409102004@library.airnews.net>... I > If you know of anyone looking for an OpenVMS position in the Baltimore  > > Maryland area we have three permanent full time positions.   > @ >       Sorry, telecommuting is not feasible for these positions > @ > Referal fees to individuals are available if you know someone. > 1 > OpenVMS Instance Owner/Mid Level System Manager K >   * Superior DCL Skills, some decent knowledge of programming languages,   > RMS JournalingH >   * Synergex DBL (DIBOL) Business Programmers.. multi-year project to C > convert existing DBL applications to Web Services; then you will  ( > transition to an ERP or Java position. >  > Kuff at Tessco Dot Com > 410-229-1589  A what a waste of money!  Ericom software (powerterm) has a product B called webconnect that allows traditonal cell based apps to be runA over the web ... buy webconnect and keep your dbl apps which will  run unchanged on the web ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:09:58 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today, Message-ID: <416853A5.7473AFD6@teksavvy.com>   Alex Daniels wrote: 3 > http://www.funsms.net/what_people_do_with_sms.htm   L There is a guy in Sweden who attached a GPS/SMS unit on his hunting dog. TheK Unit sends an SMS with the location of the dog at regular intervals, so the J owner can the track down where the kill fell to the ground and not have to+ constantly run around to follow the dog :-)   M In the USA though, the requirement to be able to identify the location of the N phone in case of a 911 call has spwned interesting applications: parents payinM a fee so that they can monitor the location of their teenagers who were given M phones, or corporatiosn being able to track sales force and trucking services K tracking their fleet of trucks. However, these services do not involve SMS.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:20:47 GMT 1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> B Subject: Re: PRODUCT UNDO PATCH broken for VMS 7.3-1 RPC-0400 kit?* Message-ID: <P70ad.1414$y71.1382@trnddc02>  H Yes I can correct it by editing the file and saving it; however, I'm notH entirely sure of the ramifications of this; i.e., I'm not sure PCSI willH delete MY file as opposed to the original one, if checksums or other areE involved, etc.  Moreover, I don't think this is a long-term solution.   H My original goal was to create a 'patch' kit that I can distribute to myF sites that can be bundled up in a VMSINSTAL-able kit -- I have 'admin'L utilities that are used in the field that can handle VMSINSTAL kits.  If forL some reason one or more of these is broken or breaks one of my applications,I I could go back and uninstall them, but not if the PCSI UNDO is broken by  this invalid symbol nonsense.   I Personally, I'd rather see HP test these things a little more thoroughly. J It seems silly to me that the first thing I'm going to have to do from nowF on when I install an OS patch is not test the system functionality but) whether or not I can immediately UNDO it.    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2004 05:45:32 GMT2 From: "Dave Weatherall" <djw-nothere@nospam.nohow>@ Subject: Re: relation between BG buffersize and TCP packetsize ?? Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-SFdJcYSvgldx@dave2_os2.home.ours>   8 On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:19:09 UTC, "John Gemignani, Jr." ( <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com> wrote:   > M > By default, TCP delays transmissions (there is a 200ms timer that BGDRIVER  N > receives regularly) and transmission occurs at that time (there are ways to J > defeat that, like with larger writes and socket options).  What you are L > looking for is the send and receive window sizes and the send and receive K > buffer quotas.  These are all documented.  I believe that by default the   > buffer quotas are around 9K.  A Thanks fro the insight John. I applied the NODELAY option to the  C socket used in our simulation system and appear to have got pseudo  - real-time up from a fifth to about a third.      --   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:19:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: RMS NAM questions, Message-ID: <4168AA3A.C635AFF7@teksavvy.com>  M Reading the RMS manual, I can across a few fields in the NAM which puzzle me.   L What is the difference between NAM$L_ESA and NAM$L_RSA  fields ? When should" one use one or the other or both ?     In the NAM$L_FNB field,    There are mentions of: 	"member number". O 	(NAM$V_WILD_MBR indicates if a "member number" contains a wildcard character).   2 	What is a "member number" in a file specication ?     	"User File diorectory" U 	(NAM$V_WILD_UFD indicates if a "User File directory" contains a wildcard character).   $ 	What is the "User file directory" ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 12:03:26 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> , Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?0 Message-ID: <10mgdg17rdsna26@corp.supernews.com>   David B Sneddon wrote:C > True, but without a more detailed explanation of what is actually " > required... terse questions etc.   That's fine.  3 All I need to know is "if the file open right now?"    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:21:53 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?+ Message-ID: <41683A51.8FF1A5BD@comcast.net>    Z wrote: >  > John Brandon wrote: Q > > I have been looking around for a snippet of code to perform the following DCL  > > command:! > > $ SHOW DEVICE /FILES <device> L > > I want to be able to do this in FORTRAN - but beggars can't be choosers! > H > Semi-related ... I need to find out if a file is open... I'll be doing > this from a .COM program ... > F > SHOW DEVICE/FILE will tell me if the file is open but I'd rather not5 > parse its output ...  can I use a lexical for this?  > > > Nothing obvious sticks out in F$FILE as filling the need ...   Have you tried:   > $ PIPE SHOW DEV/FIL ddcu: | SEARCH SYS$PIPE: filename.ext;vers  $ ..., then test the value of $STATUS?   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:13:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?, Message-ID: <41685484.72A9D03E@teksavvy.com>   Z wrote:5 > All I need to know is "if the file open right now?"   D $OPEN/READ/WRITE/ERROR=OPENED thefile disk:[dir]filename.ext;version $CLOSE thefile+ $	write sys$output "The file is not opened"  $	goto done  $! $OPENED:/ $	write sys$output "The file is already opened"  $	goto done  $! $done: $@eat 25 chocolate cookies    N You may also need to add a SET MESSAGE at the top to remove any warnings about' trying to open the already opened file.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 19:08:31 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> , Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?( Message-ID: <opsfmtkhg8zgicya@hyrrokkin>  . On Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:13:41 -0400, JF Mezei  % <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   
 > Z wrote:6 >> All I need to know is "if the file open right now?" > F > $OPEN/READ/WRITE/ERROR=OPENED thefile disk:[dir]filename.ext;version > $CLOSE thefile- > $	write sys$output "The file is not opened" 
 > $	goto done  > $!
 > $OPENED:1 > $	write sys$output "The file is already opened" 
 > $	goto done  > $! > $done: > $@eat 25 chocolate cookies >  > L > You may also need to add a SET MESSAGE at the top to remove any warnings   > about ) > trying to open the already opened file.   E Is there any way to do it without opening the file?  A non-invasive   	 approach. . I imagine that is how SHO DEV/FILES must work.   --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 23:14:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?, Message-ID: <4168A906.74030557@teksavvy.com>   Tom Linden wrote: E > Is there any way to do it without opening the file?  A non-invasive  > approach. 0 > I imagine that is how SHO DEV/FILES must work.  N I am not sure how SHOW DEV/FILES works. It seems to generate lots of DISK I/O.  L Logically, the way to do this would be to check for a specific lock based onF file name (more likely based on device and fileid since you could haveF multiple file names pointing to the same file id) having been set on a" resource associated with the file.  N Problem is that I think that RMS locks are not taken by the process but ratherK by the "system". So not sure how one then knows which process has the lock.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 14:45:34 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>  Subject: Re: Sun Java and Kodak.+ Message-ID: <41683FDE.19D35B8B@comcast.net>    prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: > < > So Sun has folded on Java and payed off the yellow bird in3 > exchange for THEM to use the `Java' patents. but.  > 1 > What is the score for others who run Java apps?  > D > What is the score for those who do their own Java implementations? > D > Will be now have to pay a Kodak tax for the joy of `run anywhere'?  > T'would be truly sweet if Kodak prevailed against Micro$lop...   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:19:15 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>   Subject: Re: Sun Java and Kodak.< Message-ID: <7e%9d.8284$Rf1.8124@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>  @ "David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message % news:41683FDE.19D35B8B@comcast.net...  > prep@prep.synonet.com wrote: >>= >> So Sun has folded on Java and payed off the yellow bird in 4 >> exchange for THEM to use the `Java' patents. but. >>2 >> What is the score for others who run Java apps? >>E >> What is the score for those who do their own Java implementations?  >>E >> Will be now have to pay a Kodak tax for the joy of `run anywhere'?  > @ > T'would be truly sweet if Kodak prevailed against Micro$lop... >   J I believe that Microsoft, HP and IBM have already licensed the technology.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.562 ************************