1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 11 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 565       Contents: Re: Backup & NFS Re: Backup & NFS Re: BBC Radio 1 mentions VMS@ Re: Bridging two separate DECnet Phase-IV networks over Internet Re: Disabling source routing Re: ftp directory (ls) format 2 How to CONVERT INDEX file to FLAT  file and back ?6 Re: How to CONVERT INDEX file to FLAT  file and back ?7 Inquirer on HP dumping EVAs...and off-shoring engineers , Re: memory performance Alpha, Itanic and SUN! NEW Public access OpenVMS Cluster % Re: NEW Public access OpenVMS Cluster % Re: NEW Public access OpenVMS Cluster P RE: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS') oP Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS') oP Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS') oP Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') ot6 Re: OpenVMS and Synergex Positions Baltimore/Wash/Phil! Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today  Re: Sayonara storage Re: Sayonara storage Re: Sayonara storage Re: Sayonara storage# Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN? # Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?  Re: Sun Java and Kodak. 0 Re: SYS$PARSE: prevented translation of logicals0 Re: SYS$PARSE: prevented translation of logicals0 Re: SYS$PARSE: prevented translation of logicals0 Re: SYS$PARSE: prevented translation of logicals' [TCPIP V5.4] Password change with SSH ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:21:47 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Re: Backup & NFS * Message-ID: <ckd8ps$3vo$1@news.tudelft.nl>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > JOUKJ wrote: >  >>Dale Dellutri wrote: >>O >>>On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:54:55 +0200, JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:  >>>  >>>  >>>>Dale Dellutri wrote: >>>> >>>>Q >>>>>On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:40:31 +0200, JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote:  >>>>>  >>>>> H >>>>>>I'm trying to backup NFS mounted filesystems to tape using the VMS >>>>>>backup command.  >>>>>>I get some weird errors:R >>>>>>%BACKUP-E-OPENDIR, error opening directory TARANTELLA$ROOT:[HOME.JOUKJ.PLOT]( >>>>>>-SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileL >>>>>>%BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening TARANTELLA$ROOT:[HOME.JOUKJ]PLOT.DIR;1 >>>>>>as input( >>>>>>-SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileG >>>>>>The error ocuurs when the NFS mounted file systems are physically K >>>>>>located on a PC with Fedora core 2. (File systems located on an Alpha , >>>>>>with Redhat 7.x seem to be unaffected)N >>>>>>The files which "cannot be found" are always directory files, and always >>>>>>the same directory files. 	 >>>>>>...  >>>>> B >>>>>This looks like a permissions or symbolic link problem.  What >>>>>is the output of  >>>>> ls -l /home/joukj/plot >>>>>and >>>>> ls -ld /home/joukj/plot G >>>>>on the tarantella FC2 system?  How does the output differ from the C >>>>>same commands pointing to directory files that do not have the 
 >>>>>problem?  >>>>>  >>>>O >>>>I do not see any difference: plot is not OK end pesch in the same dir is OK  >>>>aaee-jj ) ls -ld plot 5 >>>>drwx------  3 joukj joukj 20480 Oct  5 09:34 plot  >>>>aaee-jj ) ls -l plot >>>>total 1768: >>>>-rw-r-----  1 joukj joukj   6225 Oct  5 08:43 axis.F90
 >>>>etc... >>>>aaee-jj ) ls -ld pesch5 >>>>drwx------  2 joukj joukj 4096 Jun  3 11:52 pesch  >>>>aaee-jj ) ls -l pesch 
 >>>>total 468 C >>>>-rw-r-----  1 joukj joukj  5012 Jun  3 11:52 adjust_ranstru.F90  >>>>etc....  >>>  >>> 6 >>>What is the exact backup command on VMS that fails? >>>  >> >>It is @ >>$    backup/log/ignore=interlock tarantella$root:[*...]*.*;* -= >>      $tape1:taran_041004.bck/save/med=compact/label=041004  >>K >>where tarantella$root is the logical name assiociated with the NFS mount.  >  > 8 > My next question would be: Can you post the result of: >   > $ SHOW LOGICAL tarantella$root > ' *sirba-jj) SHOW LOGICAL tarantella$root 4     "TARANTELLA$ROOT" = "_DNFS1:" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   nothing special    *sirba-jj) sh dev/full DNFS1  B Disk DNFS1:, device type Foreign disk type 7, is online, mounted, 
 file-oriented 0      device, shareable, accessed via DFS or NFS.  >      Error count                    0    Operations completed 	         6 3      Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC  	   [JOUKJ] 2      Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot  S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPL =      Reference count                1    Default buffer size  	       512 ;      Total blocks           151833536    Sectors per track  	         0 =      Total cylinders                0    Tracks per cylinder  	         0 >      Logical Volume Size   1471746038    Expansion Size Limit  10719987  @      Volume label      "TARANTELLA$R"    Relative volume number 	         0 ;      Cluster size                  16    Transaction count  	         1 ?      Free blocks              unknown    Maximum files allowed  	   1000000 5      Extend quantity               16    Mount count  	         1 :      Mount status              System    ACP process name 
 "DNFS1ACP"  .    Volume Status:  ODS-2, caching is disabled.                       Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:26:11 +0200 ' From: JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Re: Backup & NFS * Message-ID: <ckd923$449$1@news.tudelft.nl>   Dale Dellutri wrote:N > On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:40:31 +0200, JOUKJ <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> wrote: > E >>I'm trying to backup NFS mounted filesystems to tape using the VMS   >>backup command.  >>I get some weird errors:N >>%BACKUP-E-OPENDIR, error opening directory TARANTELLA$ROOT:[HOME.JOUKJ.PLOT]$ >>-SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileI >>%BACKUP-E-OPENIN, error opening TARANTELLA$ROOT:[HOME.JOUKJ]PLOT.DIR;1  
 >>as input$ >>-SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such fileD >>The error ocuurs when the NFS mounted file systems are physically H >>located on a PC with Fedora core 2. (File systems located on an Alpha ( >>with Redhat 7.x seem to be unaffected)K >>The files which "cannot be found" are always directory files, and always   >>the same directory files.  >  > H > One more wild guess: is there a file called plot.dir (which would not I > be a directory, just an ordinary file) in the /home/joukj directory or  $ > in the tarantella$root: hierarchy? > G Not that I know of. Note that only backup has the problem and type,dir  H and copy etc... work OK. PLOT.DIR is just one of teh files that go wrongD i.e. is another LRO.DIR, which has not such a common name as "plot".                     Jouk   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:57:51 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com % Subject: Re: BBC Radio 1 mentions VMS - Message-ID: <87d5zqfljk.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    > Alex Daniels wrote: G >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chrismoyles/questions/answers05.shtml   ? >> It is there.. Try clicking inside the green frame before you < >> search, although I don't have to, but maybe its a browser >> implementation thing.  E > Didn't go into the source, but on the normal browser (Netscape), it F > wouldn't let me select the text. (I have seen a few pages setup likeC > that). But I was able to find/select after having brought it into  > composer (web page editor)   > ## > Eddy from CornwallK >     What type of music format do you guys use for the music on the show -  > CD's, MP3's, Mini Disc?  > Aled's Answer:O > Operations Manager Miles Eames: "Broadcast Wav files played out from Open VMS  > servers" Nice. > ##  F > So, there you go: another argument of why sound support is needed on > VMS.  E Sounds like DCART or a descendant/derivitive of it. Sound support for @ VMS would help KEEP it there, and is needed for problem tracing.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2004 12:25:18 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: Bridging two separate DECnet Phase-IV networks over Internet 3 Message-ID: <c1miQktXlVuM@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <dc5428e3.0410100740.21fbef2f@posting.google.com>, bob@jfcl.com (Bob Armstrong) writes:  H >   I've heard that other TCP/IP stacks for VMS (Multinet?) support realG > Phase-IV tunnelling, but I don't know anything about them and they're D > probably unsupported and hard to get now.  If I have a choice, I'd > rather stay with UCX.   ?    Multinet is alive and well, as is TCPware.  Both do Phase-IV B    tunneling over IP.  I've used it a bit and known folks who used    it alot.    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2004 07:13:36 -0700# From: Stitzman@gmail.com (stitzman) % Subject: Re: Disabling source routing = Message-ID: <53cc0efd.0410110613.70552aea@posting.google.com>   E Ok, I think I've read the security, TCPIP Services and System Manager @ manuals from cover to cover and didn't see anything about sourceA routing at all.  Did I miss it?  It's possible because at several E points the words started running together.  That's some really boring 
 reading.  :-)   C Anyway, is there anywhere else to find information about this?  I'm B trying to follow a third-party security recommendation that source? routing be turned off, but I don't have the original assessment E results, so I don't know how they even discovered that source routing  was a problem on these servers.    Thanks for your help,  Jon           e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<4165E47B.621F9329@comcast.net>...  > stitzman wrote:  > > 
 > > Sorry. > >  > > TCP/IP Services v5.4 > >  > > Thanks.  > > i > > David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<4164C047.1CE8E738@comcast.net>...  > > > stitzman wrote:  > > > > H > > > > I am trying to find some documentation about disabling IP sourceM > > > > routing on an OpenVMS 7.2 system.  I'd like to know where this is set 7 > > > > so I can verify it and disable it if necessary.  > - > I believe the doc set is on-line. Start at:  > $ > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/ >  > ...or go directly to...  > , > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/tcpip54.html >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2004 08:12:23 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org& Subject: Re: ftp directory (ls) format3 Message-ID: <JLm$nqvQbg+p@eisner.encompasserve.org>   l In article <4b6ec350.0410081048.1ba58896@posting.google.com>, JimStrehlow@data911.com (Jim Strehlow) writes:! > Thank you for your useful URLs.  > = > Does anyone know of an internet FTP site hosted by OpenVMS?    Try ftp.process.com   J That site is run by Process Software, the current vendors for both TCPWare* and Multinet.  It runs the TCPWare server.   # ftp ftp.process.com W 220 delta.process.com (192.42.95.126) FTP-OpenVMS FTPD V5.6-2 (c) 2002 Process Software & Name (ftp.process.com:root): anonymous 331 Send ident as password. 	 Password:  ftp> quote syst  215 VMS TCPware V5.6-2 ftp> dir  ! Directory ANONYMOUS_ROOT:[000000]   5 .WELCOME;1                 2  13-FEB-2002 23:32:40.47 5 DECUS.DIR;1                1   9-MAY-2001 22:18:51.69 5 INFORMATION.DIR;1          1   9-MAY-2001 22:23:42.78 5 MADGOAT.DIR;1              2   9-MAY-2001 22:23:44.85 5 MOZILLA.DIR;1              1  21-JUN-2001 14:57:51.38 5 README.TXT;4               2  18-APR-2000 10:40:39.90 5 SSH.DIR;1                  1  22-JUN-2002 15:11:12.71 5 SUPPORT.DIR;1              3   9-MAY-2001 22:29:45.02 5 TCPWARE.DIR;1              1   9-MAY-2001 23:34:10.92 5 VMS-FREEWARE.DIR;1         1   9-MAY-2001 23:58:31.39    Total of 10 files, 15 blocks.  226 Closing data connection.3 626 bytes received in 0.089 seconds (6.90 Kbytes/s)  ftp>      ! Also try ftp.multinet.process.com   ? That server runs Multinet in Unix mode.  You can switch it into = VMS mode by using the "cd" command with a VMS format argument    # ftp ftp.multinet.process.com& Connected to ftp.multinet.process.com.Y 220 triton.process.com MultiNet FTP Server Process V4.4(16) at Mon 11-Oct-2004 8:51AM-EDT / Name (ftp.multinet.process.com:root): anonymous 3 331 anonymous user ok. Send real ident as password. 	 Password:  ftp> quote syst ) 215 UNIX MultiNet Unix Emulation V4.4(91)  ftp> dir0 200 Port 210.92 at Host 208.19.133.131 accepted. 150 List started.   > -rwx---r-x  1 archives 0             472 Jun 28 16:56 .welcomeJ drwxr-xr-x  1 archives 0             512 Mar  5 1998  contributed-softwareF drwxr-xr-x  1 archives 0             512 Nov 11 1997  customer_support: drwxr-xr-x  1 archives 0             512 Dec 30 1998  docs9 drwxr-xr-x  1 archives 0             512 May  8 1998  faq C drwxr-xr-x  1 archives 0             512 Nov 11 1997  mail_archives = drwxr-xr-x  1 archives 0            1024 Nov 11 1997  patches 9 drwxr-xr-x  1 archives 0           59904 Feb 19 1999  rfc ? drwxr-xr-x  1 archives 0             512 Nov 11 1997  tech-tips B drwxr-xr-x  1 archives 0             512 Nov 11 1997  white_papers 226 Transfer completed. 2 657 bytes received in 0.13 seconds (4.85 Kbytes/s)  
 ftp> cd []) 250 Connected to ANONYMOUS_ROOT:[000000].  ftp> dir1 200 Port 212.138 at Host 208.19.133.131 accepted.  150 List started.    ANONYMOUS_ROOT:[000000]   I .WELCOME;1                  1  28-JUN-2004 16:56 ARCHIVES (RWED,RWED,,RE)  CONTRIBUTED-SOFTWARE.DIR;1I                             1   5-MAR-1998 10:08 ARCHIVES (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)  CUSTOMER_SUPPORT.DIR;1K                             1  11-NOV-1997 21:22 ARCHIVES (RWED,RWED,RE,RE) I DOCS.DIR;1                  1  30-DEC-1998 15:17 ARCHIVES (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) I FAQ.DIR;1                   1   8-MAY-1998 16:43 ARCHIVES (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) I MAIL_ARCHIVES.DIR;1         1  11-NOV-1997 21:36 ARCHIVES (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) K PATCHES.DIR;1               2  11-NOV-1997 21:22 ARCHIVES (RWED,RWED,RE,RE) I RFC.DIR;1                 117  19-FEB-1999 17:50 ARCHIVES (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) I TECH-TIPS.DIR;1             1  11-NOV-1997 21:36 ARCHIVES (RWE,RWE,RE,RE) I WHITE_PAPERS.DIR;1          1  11-NOV-1997 21:36 ARCHIVES (RWE,RWE,RE,RE)       Total of 127 blocks in 10 files. 226 Transfer completed. 2 873 bytes received in 0.16 seconds (5.32 Kbytes/s)    F The Multinet server (and, presumably some other VMS-based FTP servers)B trys to automatically detect whether the client is expecting Unix.I It will default into either Unix emulation mode (as in the example above) A or native VMS mode.  If the user does sends the command to change F directory in a Unix syntax, e.g. "cd /pub" then the server will assume? Unix mode.  And contrariwise, if the user uses VMS syntax, e.g. ? "cd sys$sysroot:[sysmgr]" then the server will assume VMS mode.   A One can sometimes exploit this fact in GUI clients such as WS_FTP E by choosing a starting directory using Unix syntax.  You can probably E bury this in your the site setup on the WS_FTP client so that the end % user never notices anything untoward.     C As others have noted, it is unfortunate that GUI FTP clients try to A be so user friendly that feel they must violate the spirit of the B RFC's by parsing human readable text in order to stay competitive.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2004 06:01:09 -0700 From: janicmx@yahoo.com (Mike); Subject: How to CONVERT INDEX file to FLAT  file and back ? = Message-ID: <31886a6f.0410110501.2540f70f@posting.google.com>   4 I need to fix/modify my UCX$CONFIGURATION.DAT  file.  > Ucx$configuration.dat is an index file with the host name as aF key.  Since the node name has been changed somehow (?)the key has been changed as well.  2 How to CONVERT INDEX file to FLAT  file and back ?   TIA,   Mike   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:08:27 -0400 4 From: "Hein RMS van den Heuvel" <hein_at_hp_dot_com>? Subject: Re: How to CONVERT INDEX file to FLAT  file and back ? , Message-ID: <416a94e0$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  + "Mike" <janicmx@yahoo.com> wrote in message 7 news:31886a6f.0410110501.2540f70f@posting.google.com... 6 > I need to fix/modify my UCX$CONFIGURATION.DAT  file. > @ > Ucx$configuration.dat is an index file with the host name as aH > key.  Since the node name has been changed somehow (?)the key has been > changed as well. > 4 > How to CONVERT INDEX file to FLAT  file and back ?   Trivial:   $anal/rms/fdl ucx.dat  $conv/fdl=nl: ucx.dat ucx.seq 
 $edit ucx.seq , $conv/fdl=ucx/sort/fast/stat ucx.seq ucx.new $renam/log ucx.new ucx.dat  8 If that file is open all the time, then you may need to:6     CONV/SHAR ucx.dat ucx.tmp ... ANAL/RMS/fdl ucx.tmp  2 However, I'd be surprised if you need any of this?4 Why not use the UCX interfaced to clear this hurdle,7 Or, in a pinch, just fix an indivudual record with DCL:   ( $OPEN/READ/WRITE/SHARE=WRITE ucx ucx.dat' $READ/DELE/KEY="Bad-primary" ucx record  $SHOW SYMB record  $record[x,y] := "new-primary"  $WRITE/SYMB record ucx
 $CLOSE ucx   Cheers,  Hein.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:24:36 -0400 ! From: Hal Kuff <kuff@comcast.net> @ Subject: Inquirer on HP dumping EVAs...and off-shoring engineers< Message-ID: <kuff-48C566.05243611102004@library.airnews.net>  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18991    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:19:09 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> 5 Subject: Re: memory performance Alpha, Itanic and SUN 0 Message-ID: <ckebpv$qoa$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Dirk Munk wrote:& > Look at this little table I found at > 8 > http://www.cs.virginia.edu/stream/top20/Bandwidth.html >   9 The clue to why your contention may not be as safe as you 0 think is hidden in the following compile options   SGI Altix 3000 result 6 -i8 -extend_source -O3 -mP2OPT_hlo_pref_hint=3 -openmp   HP SuperDome result D cc +DSitanium2 +DD64 +O3 +Odataprefetch -Wl,+pd,64M -c second_wall.cH mpif90 -o stream_d.mpi +Ofaster +DSitanium2 -Wl,+pd,64M +DD64 +Onoopenmp0 +extend_source +noppu stream_mpi.f second_wall.o   Regards  Andrew Harrison L > ************************************************************************** > H > STREAM Memory Bandwidth --- John D. McCalpin, mccalpin@cs.virginia.edu) > Revised to Wed Aug 11 22:30:59 CDT 2004  > 7 > All results are in MB/s --- 1 MB=10^6 B, *not* 2^20 B  > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------J > Machine ID                      ncpus    COPY    SCALE      ADD    TRIADJ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------C > SGI_Altix_3000                   512 854062.0 854338.0 1008594.0  C > 1007828.0 NEC_SX-7                          32 876174.7 865144.1   > 869179.2 872259.1 K > NEC_SX-5-16A                      16 607492.0 590390.0 607412.0 583069.0  J > NEC_SX-4                          32 434784.0 432886.0 437358.0 436954.0J > HP_AlphaServer_GS1280-1300        64 407351.0 400142.0 437010.0 431450.0J > Cray_T932_321024-3E               32 310721.0 302182.0 359841.0 359270.0J > NEC_SX-6                           8 202627.2 192306.2 190231.3 213024.3J > Cray_C90                          16 105497.0 104656.0 101736.0 103812.0J > SGI_Origin3800-500               256  87019.5  85514.4 101695.6  99680.2J > Cray_X1                            4  74417.0  77577.0  83629.0  84455.0J > HP_Integrity_SuperDome            64  82695.0  82476.0  83013.0  84223.0J > Sun_F25K-1050-72chip             144  68184.1  67462.7  75402.7  76097.8J > IBM_eServer_p690+                 32  51455.0  53425.0  58651.0  58891.0J > Sun_F15K                          72  54665.4  47703.7  46090.7  50724.3J > HP_AlphaServer_ES80-1150           8  44415.0  45203.0  49091.0  49729.0J > SGI_Origin2000-250               256  42824.2  43213.5  48285.8  49275.5J > Cray_SV1ex                        32  42317.8  42237.9  47829.8  47821.9J > IBM_eServer_p5-570                16  40465.0  40132.0  44907.0  45187.0J > Fujitsu_VPP5000                    1  37780.0  35724.0  34595.0  37544.0J > IBM_eServer_p670+                 16  32947.0  33673.0  35925.0  36818.0D > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > H > It clearly shows how the Itanic is crushing the Alpha, not to mention , > the enormous power of the Sun Sparc cpu's. >    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:42:56 +0000 (UTC) ! From: Ales.Petan@turboinstitut.si * Subject: NEW Public access OpenVMS Cluster* Message-ID: <ckd6gv$4iu$1@planja.arnes.si>  E As of today, there is another Public access OpenVMS cluster availabe. ' More info at: http://www.preatorian.net    Summary: Location: Slovenija  - Europe @ Equipment: (basic configuration = 2 Alphas) - joining soon, 2 x , AlphaServer 2100, VAXserver 4300, Alpha 8400  G P.S.: Cluster is based on the OpenVMS hobbyist license. All aspects of  0 this license must be met when using the cluster.    
 Best regards.  Ales   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:46:41 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon). Subject: Re: NEW Public access OpenVMS Cluster1 Message-ID: <04101111464165@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>    Ales Petan writes:G > As of today, there is another Public access OpenVMS cluster availabe. ) > More info at: http://www.preatorian.net    Cool VMS Shark!      J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:02:06 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> . Subject: Re: NEW Public access OpenVMS Cluster( Message-ID: <opsfptlsfhzgicya@hyrrokkin>  H On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:46:41 -0500, John Brandon <brandon@dalsemi.com>   wrote:   > Ales Petan writes:H >> As of today, there is another Public access OpenVMS cluster availabe.* >> More info at: http://www.preatorian.net >  > Cool VMS Shark!  >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   Er, slight problem  ! %UAF-I-COPMSG, user record copied I %UAF-I-RDBADDMSGU, identifier TOM value [000200,000013] added to rights    databaseH %CREATE-E-DIRNOTCRE, MIATA$DKA500:[USERS.TOM] directory file not created* -SYSTEM-F-EXDISKQUOTA, disk quota exceeded    E BTW, since you are operating under the Hobbyist license, feel free to ' download and install the PL/I compiler.    Tom    --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2004 04:33:22 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Y Subject: RE: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS') o 3 Message-ID: <MUqI8bRGgOEd@eisner.encompasserve.org>   | In article <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB45D86E@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: >  >> -----Original Message----- : >> From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]=20" >> Sent: October 10, 2004 10:52 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com@ >> Subject: RE: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions=204 >> VMS (and not any other OS') other OS') other OS') >>=20  >> In article=20A >> <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB45D86D@tayexc19.americas.cpqc 6 >> orp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com> writes: >>=20 ? >> > for that matter. However, I know of two major Customers=20  >> that wanted to H >> > convert OpenVMS applications and both went down in flames big time. >>=20 , >> The Customers or the conversion efforts ? >>=20  >  > I > Well, I am sure there was a lot of heat when these projects failed, but I > these are big Customers and you will not hear about these in the press.   J I did not expect that.  What I was asking was which "when down in flames".G That is, what is the antecedent of "both" - the word "customers" or the  word "applications".   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:39:49 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> Y Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS') o , Message-ID: <416A38A1.F1AD3A56@teksavvy.com>   "Main, Kerry" wrote:F > Course, two years ago, you could not tell them they did not have the@ > basics for a large project to be successful. They knew better. > 5 > Ah well, another notch for the voice of experience.   N Yes, there have been many projects where one vendor lost because he provided aJ realistic proposal whereas the winning vendor made tons of promises with a much lower price.   L I once saw DG bid for an OA system supposed to handle 100 users. After a fewN months, that machine was moved to the regional office and could barely support	 15 users.   J At least DEC had been realistic with its proposals, but the more realisticJ bigger systems were also presented with list prices initially which reallyM threw the customer off. But they did not promise everything could be done and ) be delivered the next day as had done DG.   N I also saw my ex employer replace me with a young guy who told the boss duringL his interview that he could rewrite a whole application in a week to port itN to the DG machine and that he didn't need to hire DG to do the work (that worlL was part of the proposal, but DG sait it would take one month). Boss told DGB to get lost and he hired this guy who could do it all in one week.  N The poor guy lasted only 2 weeks. He didn't even know Cobol or what an indexed file was :-) :-) :-)  L The .COm era was full of such people who could sell themselves very well andJ convince potential employers/customers they could do everything, and thoseM making decisions didn't know they were bullshitting, and that put the serious L people at a great disadvantage because by being serious and realistic, their. services/expertise did not appear competitive.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:42:55 +0200 ! From: Soterro <soterroatyahoocom> Y Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other  OS') o : Message-ID: <416a8d5b$0$5454$4d4ef98e@read.news.ch.uu.net>   Main, Kerry wrote:+ >>From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com]  > >>You aren't directly to blame for this and I know you'd like  >>to keep your< >>job, but just how many times have you and your colleagues  >>written carly(tm) , >>or curly or GQ Bob about this in the past? > I > Actually, I work with UNIX, Windows as well as OpenVMS. You're value to F > any corporation goes up exponentially if you know more than one OS.   E I think JS asked something else: is it so out of this world to think  = that the insiders could point their superiors to some things?    S    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:31:34 +0100 9 From: Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove__harrison@sun__.com> Y Subject: Re: Obsucure Inquier article about Intel mentions VMS (and not any other OS') ot 0 Message-ID: <ckech8$r0j$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:M > "Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy" <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> = > wrote in message news:ck693m$70r$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com...  > I >>The SunRay isn't an X-terminal but a number of SunRays plus a Linux box  >>are. >> >  > I > Now that is stretching things a bit farther than credulity permits, the N > performance/latency also do not sound particularly attractive.  You would inN > essense use the Linux box as a "remote display" for some other host (talkingN > X11 over IP), and then the SR server software running on the Linux box would@ > relay the blits to the SunRays - as I said, *quite* a stretch. >   A Well I wouldn't want to use it for 3D graphics but its absolutely ; fine for 2D, it handles full motion video and I have a full < fincancial trading desktop running on SunRays with real time market data.    L > Hardly an X11 Terminal equivalent.  A $499 PC with a X11 Emulator would beJ > cheaper, simpler and more versatile.  A true PC based "thin client" alsoH > would probably be more appropriate.  Or heck, a $499 PC running Linux.N > Anyone who wants to hack the Linux driver to handle the LK463, let me know -H > I'll send you the information on the keycodes, and how to identify the > keyboard.  >   K > I've already said that SunRays are a nifty little appliance for what they M > are intended for - why not settle at that instead of trying to fit a way to 8 > insist it is a solution to the problem that was posed? >   - I wasn't serious Fred or did you think I was.   A What suprised me was that HP don't seem to have an adequate story > in place for people who want thin client devices to an OpenVMS& backed or for that matter HP-UX/Tru64.  ? The HP web site is full of thin client solutions for Windows an ? OS that most accept is least capable of driving the clients but > devoid of solutions for the OS's HP produce that really could.   Interesting        Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 05:28:32 -0400 ! From: Hal Kuff <kuff@comcast.net> ? Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Synergex Positions Baltimore/Wash/Phil < Message-ID: <kuff-51D1EE.05283211102004@library.airnews.net>  + In article <4169D66C.E6D8640D@comcast.net>, 4  David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >   > > > -----Original Message-----? > > > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net] $ > > > Sent: October 10, 2004 3:29 PM > > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com E > > > Subject: Re: OpenVMS and Synergex Positions Baltimore/Wash/Phil  > > >  > > > Hal Kuff wrote:  > > > > 3 > > > > In article <41683FA3.EF94C9AF@comcast.net>, < > > > >  David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > H > > > > Well Bob And David, thanxs for the replies.... in answer to your< > > > > comments, if you understand what a web service (SOA) > > > A > > > Can you define "SOA"? I only recognize that from a DNS zone  > > > defintion as > > > "Start Of Authority".  > > >  > > 
 > > David, > > J > > Think of SOA (Service Oriented Architecture) as a standard way (agreedF > > to by all the major players in the Industry) for a program to call3 > > subroutines from any platform over the network.  > > J > > Rather than "rewrite all of the business logic we have invested in forH > > the last 10-15+ years", many Customers are using SOA to "protect ourK > > investments and integrate OpenVMS" with web services based applications  > > on other platforms.  > > I > > You do this by exposing sub functions of the business logic in such a K > > way that Cobol code on OpenVMS can be called by a .Net application on a I > > Windows platform or J2EE application running on Linux or Solaris etc.  > > C > > However, as Hal correctly pointed out, there are some technical L > > challenges in exposing application code on ANY platform to web services. > >  > > A few articles: > > > http://news.com.com/2100-7345_3-5182950.html?tag=nefd_lede > > K > > http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?secid=611908207&id=1581387443  > >  > > BEA SOA Resource Center M > > http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=index.htm&FP=/content/solutions/soa/  > H > Well, o.k., but I'm still not seeing any "knockout factors" that would > preclude tele-collaboration.    E  If you need to merge into an existing development group and learn a  = package that will take months to get going on.... how do you  D tele-commute?  How do you work with the end-users of the system and 5 spend 10 hours a week for 90 days on the white-board?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:01:14 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com * Subject: Re: OpenVMS non-advertising today- Message-ID: <878yaefldx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    > Alex Daniels wrote: 4 >> http://www.funsms.net/what_people_do_with_sms.htm  E > There is a guy in Sweden who attached a GPS/SMS unit on his hunting D > dog. The Unit sends an SMS with the location of the dog at regularC > intervals, so the owner can the track down where the kill fell to D > the ground and not have to constantly run around to follow the dog > :-)   A A lession from Gliding: use SMS, not voice for sending in the GPS C position when you outland. less errors, and you can at times get an E SMS message through when you can't even get a call out to get to ringeD tone before it drops out. SMS keeps trying and only needs a fraction" of a second to get a position out.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:32:39 -0400e# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>  Subject: Re: Sayonara storage , Message-ID: <9qmdnZZLp6Z6CPfcRVn-vw@igs.net>   Bill Todd wrote:E > Keith is usually pretty good at keeping c.o.v. informed about HP ina4 > the press, but he just might have missed this one: >o+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18991  > @ > I seem to remember having commented on what appeared to be theF > dismantling of HP's storage efforts a while ago, but now it seems to- > have been recognized by the world at large.H    J Actually carly(tm) is just trying to give Enterprise storage customers theI same economies of scale the Digital Imaging division gives its customers.A  H Henceforth, all EVA customers will be eligible to receive one free 256mbL Secure Digital stoage card for each EVA array they own. This is possible due< to HP's massive purchasing power for consumer grade devices.  H EVA customers will also be able to trade their remaining EVA units in onK additional SD cards. The cards will be sent prepaid upon receipt of the EVAeG units at HP's trade-in depot and a cheque payable to HP for $59.95 plusO* applicable taxes for each SD card ordered.   HP. Invent.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:19:26 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>> Subject: Re: Sayonara storage0, Message-ID: <I5Gdncgol-buC_fcRVn-pg@igs.net>   John Nebel wrote:  > Dirk Munk wrote: >a >> JF Mezei wrote: >> >>> Bill Todd wrote: >>> . >>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18991 >>>>C >>>> I seem to remember having commented on what appeared to be theO >>>> dismantlingG >>>> of HP's storage efforts a while ago, but now it seems to have beenn& >>>> recognized by the world at large. >>>> >>>s >>>tG >>> Reading that article makes one wonder if it is really possible thathD >>> it is true. But then, there are plenty of precedents about silly >>> decisions made byy >>> HP/compaq/digital before.> >>>hC >>> Remember that in the Digital world (Palmer, Curly, Carly), theyf >>> often statedF >>> that you only focus on products where you can be #1. (or something >>> akin to>C >>> that). Would this be a case of Carly realising ther he productsi, >>> aren't so great and just give up on it ? >>>>F >>> BTW, whatever happened to the Digital storage products ? Were they >>> completely% >>> canned when HP took Compaq over ?n >> >>B >> No, the EVA is a Digital Storage product if you like. It is theF >> successor of the HSG80. It is a rather unique product when you lookB >> at the way it spreads data over groups of disks instead of over >> conventional raid sets. >>F >> The XP cabinets are just rebadged Hitachi products, en if I compareC >> those with the EMC DMX series, I know what to buy: EMC, no doubth >> about it. >>G >> The Digital Storageworks products were famous for their quality, ando* >> the EVA is a very good product as well. >>C >> So for me the situation is very simple: bye bye EVA = bye bye HPtG >> storage. And I'm just in the process of trying to get a project withcA >> two big ES80's and two EVA5000's of the ground. Thanks HP, youp, >> always know how to betray your customers. > : > Well, I've got two EVA 5000's and just bought a GS 1280. >i/ > Can't say this news, if true, makes me happy.u >b > John Nebel      K I presume that you/your CEO will be writing carly(tm) personally to express A your company's displeasure with her latest customer-unfocused andL$ monumentally short-sighted decision.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:50:38 -0600,+ From: John Nebel <john.nebel_vms@csdco.com>e Subject: Re: Sayonara storage ( Message-ID: <416A9DBE.4030903@csdco.com>   John Smith wrote:    > John Nebel wrote:r >  >>Dirk Munk wrote: >> >> >>>JF Mezei wrote: >>>  >>>n >>>>Bill Todd wrote: >>>> >>>>. >>>>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18991 >>>>>cC >>>>>I seem to remember having commented on what appeared to be thel >>>>>dismantlingG >>>>>of HP's storage efforts a while ago, but now it seems to have been & >>>>>recognized by the world at large. >>>> >>>> >>>>G >>>>Reading that article makes one wonder if it is really possible thatlD >>>>it is true. But then, there are plenty of precedents about silly >>>>decisions made by  >>>>HP/compaq/digital before.u >>>>C >>>>Remember that in the Digital world (Palmer, Curly, Carly), theyl >>>>often statedN >>>>that you only focus on products where you can be #1. (or somethingThe CEO  >>>>akin to C >>>>that). Would this be a case of Carly realising ther he productsO, >>>>aren't so great and just give up on it ? >>>>F >>>>BTW, whatever happened to the Digital storage products ? Were they >>>>completely% >>>>canned when HP took Compaq over ?c >>>: >>>uB >>>No, the EVA is a Digital Storage product if you like. It is theF >>>successor of the HSG80. It is a rather unique product when you lookB >>>at the way it spreads data over groups of disks instead of over >>>conventional raid sets. >>>pF >>>The XP cabinets are just rebadged Hitachi products, en if I compareC >>>those with the EMC DMX series, I know what to buy: EMC, no doubtE >>>about it. >>>BG >>>The Digital Storageworks products were famous for their quality, and>* >>>the EVA is a very good product as well. >>>>C >>>So for me the situation is very simple: bye bye EVA = bye bye HP>G >>>storage. And I'm just in the process of trying to get a project with>A >>>two big ES80's and two EVA5000's of the ground. Thanks HP, youe, >>>always know how to betray your customers. >>: >>Well, I've got two EVA 5000's and just bought a GS 1280. >>/ >>Can't say this news, if true, makes me happy.  >> >>John Nebel >  >  >  > M > I presume that you/your CEO will be writing carly(tm) personally to express C > your company's displeasure with her latest customer-unfocused andd& > monumentally short-sighted decision. >   E The CEO is I and it is not worth the time writing an idiot.  You can tF tell that I'm not happy.  It's her decision(s) to destroy HP in large  and small increments.a  H The EVA is a nice, fast system and the numbers on the GS1280 are amazing  6 http://www.cs.virginia.edu/stream/top20/Bandwidth.html  B especially since the application is sensitive to memory bandwidth.   John   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:59:29 -0700n' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu>y Subject: Re: Sayonara storagee+ Message-ID: <ckeal2$a1a$1@naig.caltech.edu>e   JF Mezei wrote:a > N > Remember that in the Digital world (Palmer, Curly, Carly), they often stated6 > that you only focus on products where you can be #1.  ; In that case their greatest talent suggests this "product":l       HP Fertilizerr5     Produced by the finest bulls in all of California    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:44:59 +0000 (UTC)i, From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis), Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?. Message-ID: <cke9pr$72t$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  k Z <z@no.spam> writes in article <10meq6dmb79upe6@corp.supernews.com> dated Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:27:59 -0700:iH >Semi-related ... I need to find out if a file is open... I'll be doing  >this from a .COM program ...  >aF >SHOW DEVICE/FILE will tell me if the file is open but I'd rather not 4 >parse its output ...  can I use a lexical for this? > = >Nothing obvious sticks out in F$FILE as filling the need ...m  0 With the test file open (by the CREATE command):  E $ write sys$output f$file("lumina$scratch0:[lewis]temp.tmp","locked")s* %SYSTEM-W-ACCONFLICT, file access conflict"  \lumina$scratch0:[lewis]temp.tmp\   Again after closing the file:i  F $ write sys$output  f$file("lumina$scratch0:[lewis]temp.tmp","locked") FALSED  D I'm not sure how it ever gets set to TRUE, but this test seems to be) functional as long as you trap the error.3  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:48:08 GMTt& From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>, Subject: Re: SHOW DEVICE/FILES with FORTRAN?8 Message-ID: <c4elm0dtaj3qksafq8k06evr5ot7k39q29@4ax.com>  F On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:06:59 -0500, brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) wrote:     >s >The process works as such...  >dM >A user receives updated informatin vie e-mail, phone, mail, etc., and enters-O >that data into their PC application.  Yep, external to the application on VMS.  >e0 >The user is then ready to upload data to VMS.   >eN >The user initiates REPLY to all users in said application.  This is where theQ >SHOW DEVICE/FILES and REPLY comes into play.  Here is where I use the $SNDJBC to ) >allow the user to interogate and notify.e >aG >The user has the option to notify the user or kick the user out of the - >application.   Kick the user out by $FORCEX.l >tP >Once the all users are out the upload takes place and the user allows all usersP >to access the file.  There is a mechanism in place that once a user is out they- >are locked out until the upload is complete.d >oM >Yes, yes, yes, it is all very manual.  Very NOT automated.  I did not create P >the code or the process - nor am I going to change that process.  My project isL >to eliminate system level privelegs from users.  I have to identify why the1 >user needs a privelege and create a work-around.n >   I Is it possible to, instead, have the updated file uploaded to a differents
 file version?E  J If so, then you'd just have to have a batch job check periodically for newH versions and to send out a reply to all users that a new update had been+ loaded and to exit/restart the application.h  K Alternatively, if the OpenVMS application is opening the file shared/write,eK you could have the file upload to a different name (i.e., "*.NEW") and then/K have a batch job that will open both files and update/re-write records thati are different.     --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)e   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2004 12:20:01 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)m  Subject: Re: Sun Java and Kodak.3 Message-ID: <aus7NIHGZPal@eisner.encompasserve.org>e  ` In article <41698DCC.4FBDC81E@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes:  F > From Kodak? (Remember: Kodak prevailed against Sun, not vice-versa.)  A    I think the result was that Sun will have topay Kodak for whattC    they're using.  I got the impression this was a one time paymente    (license fee).a   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2004 23:21:12 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman)9 Subject: Re: SYS$PARSE: prevented translation of logicalsc= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0410102221.5cbf41e4@posting.google.com>d  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<416936EA.5B0F6D30@teksavvy.com>...O@ > I would like to have SYS$PARSE of a file specification such as] > SYS$LIBRARY:MYFILE.TLB keep the SYS$LIBRARY instead of expanding it to SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSLIB]  > K > I have tried settin the NOCONCEAL  NAM block option to 0, but it seems to N > conceal only logicals that are defined as devices (terminal, concealed), but5 > logicals such as SYS$LIBRARY: still get translated.2 >  > Is there a magic trick ? > L > goal: after parsing a file specification, if it involves possible multipleP > matching files (wildcard included, or file name omitted), I then pop up a fileL > selection dialogue, and I would like the device/directory to appear as the > user had typed them. > N > So, if the user types in "SYS$LIBRARY:", with a default file spec of "*.TLB" > fed to $PARSE. > X > I want $parse to convert it to SYS$LIBRARY:*.TLB  instead of SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSLIB]*.TLB    5 The best I can come up with is to make it of the formt  #     F$PARSE(".TLB",0::SYS$LIBRARY:)e  B but there MUST be a colon after the device/logical name and you'll# have to strip off the 0:: yourself.   A I don't think you can make the parse service do what you want, at  least not directly.x   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:33:00 -0400p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>v9 Subject: Re: SYS$PARSE: prevented translation of logicalsr, Message-ID: <416A3708.C73FA46E@teksavvy.com>   heuveltjes wrote:r? > I think you are looking for NAM$V_SYNCHK (a bit in NAM$B_NOP)rN > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/731FINAL/4523/4523pro_008.html#422_namb_nopfie > ld  = SYNCHK still translates normal logicals such as SYS$LIBRARY.    J > When playing around in this space, do not forget to check out the system > service: $FILESCAN  I Thanks. will look for its full documentation. I have to decide if this ishM better than using $PARSE because each way, I need to add my own logic (I need M to know if there is any wildcarding, or if there is incomplete file spec so IdG can manually fill in the missing stuff with the appropriate widlcards).S  J The funny part is that X,s file selection dialogue wants the directory and< file templates separately, so I absolutely need to parse it.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:03:25 GMTU5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)A9 Subject: Re: SYS$PARSE: prevented translation of logicalsRL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1110040612420001@user-uinj491.dialup.mindspring.com>  5 In article <416936EA.5B0F6D30@teksavvy.com>, JF MezeiI% <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:   ? >I would like to have SYS$PARSE of a file specification such asIG >SYS$LIBRARY:MYFILE.TLB keep the SYS$LIBRARY instead of expanding it to. SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSLIB] >-J >I have tried settin the NOCONCEAL  NAM block option to 0, but it seems toM >conceal only logicals that are defined as devices (terminal, concealed), butO4 >logicals such as SYS$LIBRARY: still get translated. >1 >Is there a magic trick ?: >AK >goal: after parsing a file specification, if it involves possible multiplecO >matching files (wildcard included, or file name omitted), I then pop up a filesK >selection dialogue, and I would like the device/directory to appear as thel >user had typed them.i > M >So, if the user types in "SYS$LIBRARY:", with a default file spec of "*.TLB"e >fed to $PARSE.r >t= >I want $parse to convert it to SYS$LIBRARY:*.TLB  instead ofi SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSLIB]*.TLB.  D Off the top of my head (I haven't tried it) -- you might temporarilyD redefine LNM$FILE_DEV to point to an empty logical name table.  Then: SYS$PARSE shouldn't find any translation for SYS$LIBRARY:.     -- RobertI   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2004 12:23:21 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o9 Subject: Re: SYS$PARSE: prevented translation of logicalsy3 Message-ID: <Yr7eewp8UtJo@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  \ In article <416936EA.5B0F6D30@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > @ > I would like to have SYS$PARSE of a file specification such as] > SYS$LIBRARY:MYFILE.TLB keep the SYS$LIBRARY instead of expanding it to SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSLIB]r >   H    Can you get waht you want using sys$filescan (System Service) instead    of sys$parse (RMS service)?   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:42:41 +0000 (UTC)R6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)0 Subject: [TCPIP V5.4] Password change with SSH ?1 Message-ID: <newscache$vl9f5i$l5s1$1@news.sil.at>h  H As is seems there is currently no way to change expired passwords duringN SSH login, what do you do with your users to let them change their passwords ?  ' 1) Found a way to configure it in SSHD2_O 2) Still use (unsecure) TELNET (while writing letters once/week to engineering) H 3) Use SSH access to a (single) username which does a TELNET LOCALHOST ?/ 4) Use a webapplication to change VMS passwordsf 5) ...   TIAg   -- . Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERm% Network and OpenVMS system specialistc E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.565 ************************