1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 14 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 571       Contents: Alpha DS10L problem 1 Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine! 5 Re: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine! 5 Re: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine! 5 Re: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine! 5 Re: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine! 5 Re: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine!  Command Substitution ??  Re: Command Substitution ??  Re: Command Substitution ??  Re: Command Substitution ??  Re: Command Substitution ??  File counts  Re: File counts % Re: Installing X apps on VAX vs Alpha % Re: Installing X apps on VAX vs Alpha & Re: JF on Cats Stevens and Bush Regime Re: Laptop as a terminal?  Re: Laptop as a terminal? # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software ; Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market! ; Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market! ; Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market! ; Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market! % Re: Logging Serial Connection to File % Re: Logging Serial Connection to File % Re: Logging Serial Connection to File  Newbie question re: accounts  Re: Newbie question re: accounts  Re: Newbie question re: accounts Re: OpenVMS : New Roadmap  Re: OpenVMS : New Roadmap F OT Restrictions on use of Pascal?  Was Latest on Windoze Navy software Re: OT: IBM Redbooks Re: OT: IBM Redbooks Re: OT: IBM Redbooks Re: OT: IBM Redbooks Re: OT: IBM Redbooks Re: OT: IBM Redbooks/ Re: Program to read a 8000 bytes record file... / Re: Program to read a 8000 bytes record file... / Re: Program to read a 8000 bytes record file... / Re: Program to read a 8000 bytes record file... : Routine to Resubmit print/batch entries from queue listing
 RTOS Linux Re: RTOS Linux VMS and Perl /Python scripting  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 23:04:37 +1000 # From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate>  Subject: Alpha DS10L problem- Message-ID: <416e7967@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Hi Team   L Just playing with a new DS10L - put in a Seagate Barracuda ATA III IDE disk I (20Gb) and installed latest SRM firmware.  I can build VMS on it OK, but  L when it eventually reboots, I get the Username prompt and enter SYSTEM, but J that's it!  No password prompt, disk light hard on and lots of JBC errors J relating to accountng.dat and AUDSRV errors saying it cannot access audit  journal etc.  M After the build I found that the only way I could boot was by doing b -flags  K 0,1 dqa1, then exit the SYSBOOT prompt.  Trying a normal boot gets a crash   dump.   , Any thoughts?  Is the IDE disk incompatible    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 05:38:37 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski): Subject: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0410140438.22611a27@posting.google.com>    keeping count Andrew? :)  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19076    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:30:14 +0100 + From: "Tom Wade" <nospam@picard.eurokom.ie> > Subject: Re: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine!2 Message-ID: <X3wbd.33420$Z14.13411@news.indigo.ie>  5 "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 7 news:d7791aa1.0410140438.22611a27@posting.google.com...  > keeping count Andrew? :) > + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19076   L You're wasting your time - he'll only claim that OpenVMS never publishes itsJ bugs.  As I said before, Sun claiming its OS is the most secure because itH releases the most CERTS is like Texas claiming to be the safest place to0 live in because they execute the most murderers.    ? --------------------------------------------------------------- < Tom Wade             | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie? EuroKom              | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom; / Unit A2              |        a=eirmail400;c=ie / Nutgrove Office Park | Tel:   +353 (1) 296-9696 / Rathfarnham          | Fax:   +353 (1) 296-9697 < Dublin 14            | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimerC Ireland              | Tip:   "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:02:39 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> > Subject: Re: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine!, Message-ID: <T9ednXBWwbeFCPPcRVn-vw@igs.net>   Tom Wade wrote: 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d7791aa1.0410140438.22611a27@posting.google.com...  >> keeping count Andrew? :)  >>, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19076 > @ > You're wasting your time - he'll only claim that OpenVMS neverC > publishes its bugs.  As I said before, Sun claiming its OS is the G > most secure because it releases the most CERTS is like Texas claiming A > to be the safest place to live in because they execute the most  > murderers.    J If you advertise that 'fact' long enough, people begin to believe it.  ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:06:40 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> > Subject: Re: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine!0 Message-ID: <ckm86i$gn5$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Tom Wade wrote: 7 > "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 > news:d7791aa1.0410140438.22611a27@posting.google.com...  >  >>keeping count Andrew? :) >>+ >>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19076  >  > N > You're wasting your time - he'll only claim that OpenVMS never publishes itsL > bugs.  As I said before, Sun claiming its OS is the most secure because itJ > releases the most CERTS is like Texas claiming to be the safest place to2 > live in because they execute the most murderers. >  >   9 If that was what I had claimed then you would be entirely  justified in your comments.   = However I have never claimed that Solaris is more secure than ) OpenVMS so your comments arn't justified.   > As for CERT it is a BS measure with respect to OpenVMS because; there is a well documented history of OpenVMS vunerabilites  not being reported to CERT.   < Because of this any attempt at point scoring by Bob with the; relative Solaris to OpenVMS CERT count is doomed to failure ; because the measure he is attempting to use is demonstrably 
 inacurate.  ; Bobs point is rather like someone claiming that the Florida 8 count accurately reflected the intentions of the Florida, voters in the last US presidential election.   Regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:08:01 +0100 O From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> > Subject: Re: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine!0 Message-ID: <ckm892$gn5$2@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   John Smith wrote:  > Tom Wade wrote:  > 7 >>"Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message 9 >>news:d7791aa1.0410140438.22611a27@posting.google.com...  >> >>>keeping count Andrew? :)  >>> , >>>http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19076 >>@ >>You're wasting your time - he'll only claim that OpenVMS neverC >>publishes its bugs.  As I said before, Sun claiming its OS is the G >>most secure because it releases the most CERTS is like Texas claiming A >>to be the safest place to live in because they execute the most  >>murderers. >  >  > L > If you advertise that 'fact' long enough, people begin to believe it.  ;-) >  >   2 Odd I thought that was exactly what Bob was doing.  0 Remember I only every reply to him not the other way around.   / Oh sorry I realise now that you are refering to  Bob.   regards  Andrew Harrison    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:14:17 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> > Subject: Re: Another slowaris cert ... VMS continues to shine!, Message-ID: <7L6dnRM27IJ_OPPcRVn-vQ@igs.net>  ( Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy wrote: > John Smith wrote:  >> Tom Wade wrote: >>9 >>> "Bob Ceculski" <bob@instantwhip.com> wrote in message ; >>> news:d7791aa1.0410140438.22611a27@posting.google.com...  >>>  >>>> keeping count Andrew? :)  >>>>. >>>> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19076 >>> B >>> You're wasting your time - he'll only claim that OpenVMS neverE >>> publishes its bugs.  As I said before, Sun claiming its OS is the @ >>> most secure because it releases the most CERTS is like TexasG >>> claiming to be the safest place to live in because they execute the  >>> most murderers.  >> >> >>D >> If you advertise that 'fact' long enough, people begin to believe >> it.  ;-)  >> >> > 4 > Odd I thought that was exactly what Bob was doing. > 2 > Remember I only every reply to him not the other
 > way around.  > 1 > Oh sorry I realise now that you are refering to  > Bob.       I was referring to Texas  ;-)    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 02:28:13 -0700  From: passhan@yahoo.com (Shanks)  Subject: Command Substitution ??= Message-ID: <24c2f677.0410140128.6c32fe53@posting.google.com>    Hi, 6     Do we have a way for command substitution in VMS ?  A My query is : Does VMS have an equivalent for this UNIX command ?   
 # test=`date`    Regards, Shankar    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:56:07 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> $ Subject: Re: Command Substitution ??8 Message-ID: <r1jsm0l8od34k7n91q36clq8lpiiopm127@4ax.com>  @ On 14 Oct 2004 02:28:13 -0700, passhan@yahoo.com (Shanks) wrote:   >Hi,7 >    Do we have a way for command substitution in VMS ?  > B >My query is : Does VMS have an equivalent for this UNIX command ? >  ># test=`date` > 	 >Regards,  >Shankar  J Yes, symbol assignment. Here are some examples from $ HELP  SYMBOL EXAMPLE   $ LIST == "DIRECTORY"  $ TIME == "SHOW TIME"  $ QP == "SHOW QUEUE/DEVICE"  $ SS == "SHOW SYMBOL"    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 07:16:39 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org$ Subject: Re: Command Substitution ??3 Message-ID: <1V5LAEhHjRLW@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <r1jsm0l8od34k7n91q36clq8lpiiopm127@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes:B > On 14 Oct 2004 02:28:13 -0700, passhan@yahoo.com (Shanks) wrote: >  >>Hi, 8 >>    Do we have a way for command substitution in VMS ? >>C >>My query is : Does VMS have an equivalent for this UNIX command ?  >> >># test=`date`  >>L > Yes, symbol assignment. Here are some examples from $ HELP  SYMBOL EXAMPLE  N No.  He's not after command aliases.  He's after something entirely different.  @ Under Unix shells, the reverse apostrophe has a special meaning.  D It means:  "Execute this command and replace this quoted string with) the output resulting from that execution"    So the command       # test=`date`   C Results in the execution of the date command, producing the output:         Thu Oct 14 08:01:18 EDT 2004   The command then becomes:   '     # test=Thu Oct 14 08:01:18 EDT 2004   B Which populates an environment variable named test with the output of the date command.   e.g.       # test=`date`      # echo $test      Thu Oct 14 08:02:09 EDT 2004     #   C For most VMS commands, trapping output and putting it into a symbol B requires the programmer to jump through some hoops, either using aA temporary file or playing games with PIPEs and job logical names.   > However, for the case of trapping the time of day one can make, use of a built in "lexical function", F$TIME       $ test=f$time()      $ show sym test &       TEST = "14-OCT-2004 08:06:39.46"  @ For an arbitrary command, here are a couple of techniqueues that can be used:  :     $! Use a temporary file to capture the output of "foo"      $ define sys$output temp.txt	     $ foo      $ deassign sys$output      $ open temp temp.txt     $ read temp test     $ close temp     $ delete temp.txt;  ^     $! Use a pipeline to capture the output and then copy the result into main process contextX     $ pipe foo | ( read sys$pipe line ; define /job temp &line ) ; test=f$trnlnm("temp")  O It is unfortunate that the PIPE command does not incorporate support for grave   accent processing.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:03:27 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> $ Subject: Re: Command Substitution ??( Message-ID: <opsfu2j1bkzgicya@hyrrokkin>  @ On 14 Oct 2004 07:16:39 -0500, <briggs@encompasserve.org> wrote:  I > In article <r1jsm0l8od34k7n91q36clq8lpiiopm127@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker    > <nigel@hp.com> writes:C >> On 14 Oct 2004 02:28:13 -0700, passhan@yahoo.com (Shanks) wrote:  >> >>> Hi, 9 >>>    Do we have a way for command substitution in VMS ?  >>> E >>> My query is : Does VMS have an equivalent for this UNIX command ?  >>>  >>> # test=`date`  >>> G >> Yes, symbol assignment. Here are some examples from $ HELP  SYMBOL   
 >> EXAMPLE > G > No.  He's not after command aliases.  He's after something entirely    > different. > B > Under Unix shells, the reverse apostrophe has a special meaning. > F > It means:  "Execute this command and replace this quoted string with+ > the output resulting from that execution"  >  > So the command >  >     # test=`date`  > E > Results in the execution of the date command, producing the output:  > " >     Thu Oct 14 08:01:18 EDT 2004 >  > The command then becomes:  > ) >     # test=Thu Oct 14 08:01:18 EDT 2004  > D > Which populates an environment variable named test with the output > of the date command. >  > e.g. >  >     # test=`date`  >     # echo $test" >     Thu Oct 14 08:02:09 EDT 2004 >     #  > E > For most VMS commands, trapping output and putting it into a symbol D > requires the programmer to jump through some hoops, either using aC > temporary file or playing games with PIPEs and job logical names.  > @ > However, for the case of trapping the time of day one can make. > use of a built in "lexical function", F$TIME >  >     $ test=f$time()  >     $ show sym test ( >       TEST = "14-OCT-2004 08:06:39.46" > B > For an arbitrary command, here are a couple of techniqueues that > can be used: > < >     $! Use a temporary file to capture the output of "foo"" >     $ define sys$output temp.txt >     $ foo  >     $ deassign sys$output  >     $ open temp temp.txt >     $ read temp test >     $ close temp >     $ delete temp.txt; > H >     $! Use a pipeline to capture the output and then copy the result   > into main process context F >     $ pipe foo | ( read sys$pipe line ; define /job temp &line ) ;   > test=f$trnlnm("temp")  > L > It is unfortunate that the PIPE command does not incorporate support for   > grave  > accent processing.F Isn't this somewhat equivalent to user defined lexical functions, we  	 discussed E a while back?  IOW,  $ t = `foo`  foo could be a symbol tied to any    exceutable. H ISTR that you(?) commented that this was unsafe, don't recall why now,   however. >  > 	John Briggs       --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 11:59:08 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org$ Subject: Re: Command Substitution ??3 Message-ID: <VV+k2wc7rtVl@eisner.encompasserve.org>   N In article <opsfu2j1bkzgicya@hyrrokkin>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:H > Isn't this somewhat equivalent to user defined lexical functions, we   > discussed G > a while back?  IOW,  $ t = `foo`  foo could be a symbol tied to any   
 > exceutable. J > ISTR that you(?) commented that this was unsafe, don't recall why now,  
 > however.  D I don't recall specifically.  One concern I would have would be thatE image rundown be taken care of properly.  You want to be very careful H about allowing insecure code (or code linked against insecure libraries)C ((or code linked against libraries whose names are not secured)) to ? execute in supervisor mode.  The issue there is that if you are ? running in supervisor mode, you have the ability to interrupt a B running privileged user mode image and execute your own code whileD retaining that privilege.  And you have the ability to schedule this to happen later.  B This was, if I understand things correctly, a significant securityA issue in the VMS 2.x and possibly 3.x time frame.  A user-written A CLI could own the system.  Larry Kilgallen probably knows chapter  and verse on this.  ? Bottom line is that you can't really afford to implement a user C written lexical with a merged image activation unless you're pretty B darned careful.  But then you probably didn't want to be polluting; your supervisor space with a bunch of merged images anyway.   B Now, if you handle user written lexicals by saving context, firing? up the user executable in user mode, waiting for image rundown, A harvesting output and then restoring context, you have no issues. E This kind of thing is what DCL is good at.  Firing up executables and 8 waiting for image rundown is DCL's main purpose in life.   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 07:59:39 -0700. From: bickerdike@sciinc.com (Kevin Bickerdike) Subject: File counts= Message-ID: <9ef6801d.0410140659.527d8deb@posting.google.com>   D Two questions really...is there a quick way to get a file count of aF disk from the indexf.sys? If not is there a way of getting an accurate filecount on a system disk?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:27:37 -0700 5 From: "Fred Hoenisch" <Fred.Hoenisch@gems9.gov.bc.ca>  Subject: Re: File counts+ Message-ID: <416eb709$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   H You can use DFU (Disk and File Utility).  I think the current version is 2.7a   The command would be: . $ dfu report /nobitmap/novolume disk4 /out=a.a  H Search a.a for "Total Files" (although the output isn't all that large).   Yours truly, Fred.       ; "Kevin Bickerdike" <bickerdike@sciinc.com> wrote in message 7 news:9ef6801d.0410140659.527d8deb@posting.google.com... F > Two questions really...is there a quick way to get a file count of aH > disk from the indexf.sys? If not is there a way of getting an accurate > filecount on a system disk?    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 00:58:59 -0700. From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby). Subject: Re: Installing X apps on VAX vs Alpha< Message-ID: <224291b.0410132358.4b3c31f6@posting.google.com>  a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<416CFF86.A921BA77@teksavvy.com>... L > Is there a document which provides examples on how one should distribute XJ > apps on VAX and Alpha considering those have 2 totally different session& > managers and application databases ?  D A lot of users on Alpha prefer to use the Traditional Desktop ratherC than the New Desktop so Alpha products should integrate with either  Desktop.  = I'm not aware of any document that specifically has examples.    > K > Or are the difference such that one can only supply the files and get the I > system manager to manually add the proper information to the respective  > application databases ?   A You can distribute them so that they are in the system databases. E However, you can't really cope if a user has set up their own private # database that overrides the system.  > K > (I think i know how I can hack the vue$*.vue$dat files on VAX, the record J > structure is fairly simple), but I have no idea how it is done on Alpha. >    Why "hack", check the E http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/documentation/pdf/dw_using.pdf E Using DECwindows Motif manual and the section on shared customization  files.  P > Also, on VAX, applications started from the session manager have access to theM > various vue$ "functions" at the DCL level, same as if they had been started % > from the filemanager "application".   C The session manager and the file viewer are the same application in  the Traditional Desktop. > M > Is that the case on CDE as well, or is there both filemanager  as well as a P > different CDE startup environment which would supply a filename in a different1 > fashion than the filemanger's vue$xxxxx setup ?   D The New Desktop session manager, workspace manager, and file managerE use the same common shared image to start applications. The mechanism E for starting applications differs though in that from the last two it C uses information from the action database and for the first it uses B the command line provided by the application in response to a save yourself request.    Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:14:27 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: Installing X apps on VAX vs Alpha, Message-ID: <416E5F89.9E54EBF5@teksavvy.com>   Martin Kirby wrote:  > Why "hack", check the G > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/documentation/pdf/dw_using.pdf G > Using DECwindows Motif manual and the section on shared customization  > files.  E Ok, so theoretically, I could provide a VUE$DAT file which contains a I definition of my application, as well as a fileview association of a file I extension to my application and then just drop it into the public profile G directory and whenever someone logs in, those definitiosn should become - available to be added to their private menus.   K Howevere, is it correct to state that this would have no effect to users of  the CDE desktop ?   G > use the same common shared image to start applications. The mechanism G > for starting applications differs though in that from the last two it E > uses information from the action database and for the first it uses D > the command line provided by the application in response to a save > yourself request.     J In the case of CDE calling say a .COM file, what is the mechanism for thatN .COM file to find out what file the user has requested the application processM ? is it supplied as P1 ? is it something which the .COM file must obtain from I CDE through some communications (similar to old session manager with vue$  commands) ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 09:44:36 +0200  From: Ralph <jf.is@psycho.nut>/ Subject: Re: JF on Cats Stevens and Bush Regime J Message-ID: <dfb35187601a6a9f2bc96f6729d2583c@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>  K JF  Mezei <jfmezei@teksavvy.com> aka "nobody", "John Doe", etc., etc., etc.  trolled:  L >In defiance to the Bush Regime, I have just tuned in to a satellite station) >that is broadcasting a Cat Stevens song.  > M >If US media were more awake, they would have been broadcasting Plenty of Cat M >Stevens Songs the day he was arrested and put in jail overnight as a show of C >support of Cat Stevens and defiance of the Bush Regime's policies.  > N >At least Cat Stevens (or whatever is name is this week) would have known thatH >he still has grass roots support from americans and that it is just the >government gone nuts.   As opposed to you going nuts?    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:12:10 +0200 4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>" Subject: Re: Laptop as a terminal?& Message-ID: <416E7B2A.1443C4C3@hp.com>   Soterro wrote: >  > Mike Rechtman wrote:I > > Once OpenVMS is up (with TCP/IP and DECwindows support) you can login  > > over > > the serial line, and do a D > >   $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE=<your-Linux-address> > >   $ CREATE TERMINAL/DETACH> > > which should/might display a DECterm on your Linux screen. >  > You mean:  > $ CREATE/TERMINAL=DECTERM  > I > And of course everything can be started then to display on your linux X 	 > server:  > $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:VUE$MASTER  >  > The link to this and more:M > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/5633/5633pro_010.html#remote_apps_sec  >  > HTH, > S  Actually we're both wrong:F wat I should have written was $ CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACH (if you look at	 the help, F the only type of terminal you can create is DECTERM, which is, threfor
 the default.)      --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:56:57 -0400 * From: Joel Loveless <joell@mindspring.com>" Subject: Re: Laptop as a terminal?8 Message-ID: <57qsm0do7a8qi3rrqfupd4bntvvpnilehj@4ax.com>  1 On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:12:10 +0200, Mike Rechtman ' <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> wrote:    >Soterro wrote:  >>   >> Mike Rechtman wrote: J >> > Once OpenVMS is up (with TCP/IP and DECwindows support) you can login	 >> > over  >> > the serial line, and do aE >> >   $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE=<your-Linux-address>  >> >   $ CREATE TERMINAL/DETACH ? >> > which should/might display a DECterm on your Linux screen.  >>   >> You mean: >> $ CREATE/TERMINAL=DECTERM >>  J >> And of course everything can be started then to display on your linux X
 >> server: >> $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM:VUE$MASTER >>   >> The link to this and more: N >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/5633/5633pro_010.html#remote_apps_sec >>   >> HTH,  >> S >Actually we're both wrong: G >wat I should have written was $ CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACH (if you look at 
 >the help,G >the only type of terminal you can create is DECTERM, which is, threfor  >the default.)    E You can use TCPIP to create a xterm session on Linux or Unix systems.  Try this command:   : $ CREATE/DETACH/TERMINAL/TRANS=TCPIP/NODE=<nodename or ip>   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 06:43:33 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley), Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software3 Message-ID: <sx6BuPKL+mpD@eisner.encompasserve.org>   G In article <ckkgso0m0m@enews4.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  > N > One thing that boggles my mind is that once upon a time, the US DOD dictatedJ > that software for military hardware had to be written in this wonderful N > little language that they developed called Ada.  A language which finds most( > bugs when you compile the application. >   I I have heard Ada called many things, but "little" is not one of them. :-)   L To be fair however, you can write useful programs using only a subset of the< language. (For example, I have never looked at Ada tasking).  D And yes, I also think that computer security would be better if more! applications were written in Ada.    Simon.   --  B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st century    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Oct 2004 12:47:15 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software+ Message-ID: <2t7aqjF1rl804U2@uni-berlin.de>   3 In article <sx6BuPKL+mpD@eisner.encompasserve.org>, E 	clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) writes: I > In article <ckkgso0m0m@enews4.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  >>  O >> One thing that boggles my mind is that once upon a time, the US DOD dictated K >> that software for military hardware had to be written in this wonderful  O >> little language that they developed called Ada.  A language which finds most ) >> bugs when you compile the application.   C Having seen what students using Ada can do, I find this one of the  @ funniest things I've heard this week. (we used to use Ada as the2 primary teaching language here starting with CS1.)   >>   > K > I have heard Ada called many things, but "little" is not one of them. :-)  > N > To be fair however, you can write useful programs using only a subset of the> > language. (For example, I have never looked at Ada tasking).  H Other than the fact that it seems to resemble the concept of concurrencyF under UCSD-Pascal I always found it rather disappointing.  And, in theK typical fashion of anything the government had it's hand in, the definition 
 is ambiguous.      > F > And yes, I also think that computer security would be better if more# > applications were written in Ada.   C I have seen no reason why this would be the case.  Good programming A standards and practice will result in good and secure programs in + any language.  The reciprical is also true.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:15:06 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>, Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software/ Message-ID: <00A3954E.605791DE.1@tachysoft.com>   C >From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley)  >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms- >Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software ! >Date: 14 Oct 2004 06:43:33 -0500     H >In article <ckkgso0m0m@enews4.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes: >>  E >And yes, I also think that computer security would be better if more " >applications were written in Ada. >   J Or Pascal.  Maybe not *quite* as rigorous, but not far behind.  If given aK choice in programming languages, I would never have moved from Pascal to C.   N The problem is that most consulting customers want the source code, so I can't use Pascal.   J Fortunately, ANSI C is way better than the shit that is K&R.  At least the? compiler will do *some* checking if you use header files right.    Wayne O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Oct 2004 14:19:38 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software+ Message-ID: <2t7g7qF1t0r0mU1@uni-berlin.de>   / In article <00A3954E.605791DE.1@tachysoft.com>, + 	Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes: D >>From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) >>X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms . >>Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software" >>Date: 14 Oct 2004 06:43:33 -0500 >  > I >>In article <ckkgso0m0m@enews4.newsguy.com>, healyzh@aracnet.com writes:  >>> F >>And yes, I also think that computer security would be better if more# >>applications were written in Ada.  >> > L > Or Pascal.  Maybe not *quite* as rigorous, but not far behind.  If given aM > choice in programming languages, I would never have moved from Pascal to C.   G And there is part of the problem.  As often re-iterated by it's creator E Pascal was a language designed to TEACH programming concepts.  It was B never intended for realworld use.  But people insisted on doing it anyway.    > P > The problem is that most consulting customers want the source code, so I can't
 > use Pascal.   F What does the choice of language have to do with wether or not you canE provide source?  Afraid of being embarrased by not using the language C du jour?  I would hope your pre and post development documentation  E would specify the language to be used and why it is the proper choice A for the project.  The whole world isn't a nail and a hammer isn't  always the right tool.   > ? > Fortunately, ANSI C is way better than the shit that is K&R.    B Matter of opinion, I guess.  I never thought adding fluff improvedC a language.  If you don't like C, use a language you like.  Putting D a screwdriver bit on the handle of a hammer doesn't make it a better hammer.   K >                                                              At least the A > compiler will do *some* checking if you use header files right.   B There is no reason why a C compiler can't do all kinds of checkingB if the writer wishes it to do so.  The early Unix compilers do not@ do this because of the original philosophy that underlies all ofA Unix.  The Software Tools Paradigm.  The tool for checking C codeMA under Unix was lint.  The later compiler writers bult C compilers C that mimicked the Unix compiler while not providing the rest of thee2 development tool suite which would have been lint.  ? Obviously, most C compiler users today don't seem to mind. It'su? not right, but it is the way things are, otherwise the compileru writers would have changed.u   bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:27:10 +0100t+ From: "Tom Wade" <nospam@picard.eurokom.ie>d, Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software2 Message-ID: <31wbd.33418$Z14.13432@news.indigo.ie>  5 "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message % news:2t7aqjF1rl804U2@uni-berlin.de...a > ... Good programmingC > standards and practice will result in good and secure programs ink- > any language.  The reciprical is also true.   K But some languages are better at encouraging bad programming practices than L others.  For example C's handling of string arguments by passing the addressI of the 1st character, and relying on a NULL byte to mark the end has beeneF responsible for many buffer overrun vulnerabilities.  Remember all theA sendmail bugs ?  These were typically on Unix systems.  When morenE applications on Windows and OpenVMS were written in C, similar bufferoK overrun bugs appeared there too (the DEC TCP/IP stack was vulnerable to the K ping-of-death exploit; and because it was a Unix port and nobody thought ofiL building in an exception handler, when it blew up in kernel mode it took the system down with it).e  D Yes, you can compensate for this with good programming practice, butJ interfaces using string descriptors were always a much safer way to do it.  ? ----------------------------------------------------------------< Tom Wade             | EMail: tee dot wade at eurokom dot ie? EuroKom              | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;a/ Unit A2              |        a=eirmail400;c=iea/ Nutgrove Office Park | Tel:   +353 (1) 296-9696e/ Rathfarnham          | Fax:   +353 (1) 296-9697d< Dublin 14            | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimerC Ireland              | Tip:   "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:29:13 -0500 ( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>, Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software/ Message-ID: <00A39561.1CE0C458.1@tachysoft.com>   ) >From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)o >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms- >Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy softwareo >Date: 14 Oct 2004 14:19:38 GMTh? >Organization: Computing Sciences Dept., University of Scranton-   >>  M >> Or Pascal.  Maybe not *quite* as rigorous, but not far behind.  If given auN >> choice in programming languages, I would never have moved from Pascal to C. >0H >And there is part of the problem.  As often re-iterated by it's creatorF >Pascal was a language designed to TEACH programming concepts.  It wasC >never intended for realworld use.  But people insisted on doing itc	 >anyway. . >   K Yes, Wirth fucked up big time by not completing the language.  What was theXH point of teaching structured design concepts without standard commercialG structured design languages that students could use after graduating?  m  O This is the reason that Pascal failed, the lack of compatibility when everybody / filled in the missing parts in a different way.t  K But I don't give a shit about compatibility, because I don't write code forhL anything other than vms.  And digital's Pascal is the best ever.  So it is aL viable option for writing all kinds of code on vms.  I have done kernel modeD code in Pascal (being careful not to make library calls, of course).  Q >> The problem is that most consulting customers want the source code, so I can't  >> use Pascal. >kG >What does the choice of language have to do with wether or not you cane >provide source?      L Because the customer demands a particular language?  The point is that often there *is* no choice.:  I You have it backwards.  The requirement to provide source can dictate thef	 language.n  5 >Afraid of being embarrased by not using the language D >du jour?  I would hope your pre and post development documentation F >would specify the language to be used and why it is the proper choiceB >for the project.  The whole world isn't a nail and a hammer isn't >always the right tool.o    M It would be nice if you could be selective and deal with only smart customersiO who understand the hammer/nail concept.   Unfortunately, those are hard to come'+ by, and are getting rarer on a daily basis.O  N If the customer specifies C, even though it is not the right tool, you have to9 use C.  Or somebody else will get the contract and use C.T  P This is the *only* reason I learned C in the first place.  It was not by choice.     Wayne.O =============================================================================== N Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html   sO ===============================================================================eP Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:45:18 -07001' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> , Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software+ Message-ID: <ckm6ue$mlu$1@naig.caltech.edu>g   Bill Gunshannon wrote:1 > In article <00A3954E.605791DE.1@tachysoft.com>, - > 	Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com> writes:c > K >>                                                             At least the A >>compiler will do *some* checking if you use header files right.  >  > D > There is no reason why a C compiler can't do all kinds of checking$ > if the writer wishes it to do so.   G There are some parts of C programs that can't be checked at compilationjH that end up with bugs at run time.  Notoriously, if a program maintains B a list of pointers which are swapped in and out conditionally it'sI easy to leave a pointer to freed memory or erase a pointer and leave the b@ memory.  The logic which leads to these errors may be present inA different compilation modules (ie, the results of function calls)a7 which makes detecting the problem difficult for lint ori
 the compiler.l  D Fortunately there are an assortment of tools to catch these sorts ofG problems at run time.  My current favorite being NJAMD (sourceforge or)-  %    http://fscked.org/proj/njamd.shtml,  E which runs on various linux and unix but not VMS or Windows since it dI requires the unix LD_PRELOAD so that it's free/malloc functions are used .G instead of the standard library ones.  I don't recall how to force that>C sort of preload on VMS but it could certainly be done by relinking.@F The VMS C compiler had decc$free() which was pretty good but had to beB built in with a conditional compile/link, whereas NJAMD can be run2 conditionally on the binary without rebuilding it.  ! > The early Unix compilers do notiB > do this because of the original philosophy that underlies all ofC > Unix.  The Software Tools Paradigm.  The tool for checking C codeRC > under Unix was lint.  The later compiler writers bult C compilerssE > that mimicked the Unix compiler while not providing the rest of thet4 > development tool suite which would have been lint.  G There are free lint programs around, for instance "splint".  Nobody is r% stopping programmers from using them.r   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 09:07:41 -0700% From: whohe@whoever.com (DL Phillips) , Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software= Message-ID: <af0dc2ea.0410140807.1353cf0b@posting.google.com>u  u "P. Thompson" <no-spam@new.rr.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.58.0410131546070.14624@localhost.localdomain>...eK > I know the saga of Windows appearing in military mission critical systems I > replacing more capable systems like OpenVMS rears its ugly head here on  > occasion.g > - > Here is the latest for those who missed it:e1 > http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/23.56.html#subj4  > H > "The Royal Navy's new, state-of-the-art destroyer has been fitted withK > combat management software that can be hacked into, crashes easily and is K > vulnerable to viruses, according to one of the system's designers who wasu% > fired after raising his concerns. "s >      Also from the article:  E "Windows was chosen by AMS in order to cut costs, as the DPA has been>0 encouraging a switch to off-the-shelf systems. "  F So, order up the "Navy Destroyer's" package from CDW, pop the DVD intoA the main server, read and accept the EULA, let it autodetect youroB hardware (or choose from the type of destroyer list), answer a few questions like:4  =    Would you like a:  O typical install.    O custom install.c+    Are you the: O good guys.    O bad guys.f1    Enter your 126 digit license key now: [      ]   E Watch the pretty progress bar advance and read about all of the great A features your new destroyer will have, and after a reboot or two,eA on-line to register and check for updates, reboot again, and it's  anchors aweigh.0  F Yessir! Nothin' like that off-the-shelf stuff to save some real money!   ;-)o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 02:12:48 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> D Subject: Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market!, Message-ID: <416E18D6.B97B0B22@teksavvy.com>   Undisclosed wrote:F > VMS should look at competing with Solaris/AIX/HP-UX for the title ofI > "Old Reliable", not trying to take the Linux market, since it would getR > trounced.I  I You must be an ex DEC employee with this mentality. (Replace "Linux" with-G "Windows" and you get the exact DEC mentality in the early 1990s, which- started its terminal tailspin).1  L VMS must attack Linux and Windows. It may not get much market share, but butN must defend itself. Not attacking Linux in its current market will allow LinuxM to gain momentum , expand and reduce VMS's remaining niche market even more.    K You need to attack the new kid on the block on its own turf before it growso! and attacks you in your own turf.t  J All vendors of proprietary systems have to ask serious questions about howM they will tackle Linux. Ignoring Linux ensures your own failure. Attacking itmL gives you a chance to survive by differentialing yourself and showcasing the* advantages you have against Linux/Windows.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 05:35:09 -0700( From: bob@instantwhip.com (Bob Ceculski)D Subject: Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market!= Message-ID: <d7791aa1.0410140435.332e3afa@posting.google.com>o  k Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> wrote in message news:<a9CdnW6Rl_6ml_PcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>...  > Bob Ceculski wrote:8; > > It's said that all of the owners of vms fail to realizea; > > what they have in their hands ... they have the very os 6 > > that can destroy the linux market when aggresively > > marketed and priced ...  > K > yes, because lord knows all the customers want to get locked into VMS, a mC > proprietary OS with poor software support in comparison to Linux.y > G > VMS should look at competing with Solaris/AIX/HP-UX for the title of pJ > "Old Reliable", not trying to take the Linux market, since it would get  > trounced.e  = you mean no one is interested in security and uptime anymore?0   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 09:41:30 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)eD Subject: Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market!3 Message-ID: <HrXkP+vWEBV+@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <a9CdnW6Rl_6ml_PcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> writes: > K > yes, because lord knows all the customers want to get locked into VMS, a $C > proprietary OS with poor software support in comparison to Linux.   G    Considering how many are willing to get locked into Windows, or some G    particular vendor's UNIX, or some particular vendor's Linux package,aE    I see no problem with getting locked into something like VMS that m.    actually works and has outstanding support.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:16:23 +0100sO From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com>xD Subject: Re: Let me own OpenVMS and I will destroy the linux market!0 Message-ID: <ckm8op$gte$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>   Bob Koehler wrote:h > In article <a9CdnW6Rl_6ml_PcRVn-jQ@comcast.com>, Undisclosed <nomail@dontbeaweaselspammer.com> writes: > K >>yes, because lord knows all the customers want to get locked into VMS, a .C >>proprietary OS with poor software support in comparison to Linux.  >  > I >    Considering how many are willing to get locked into Windows, or some I >    particular vendor's UNIX, or some particular vendor's Linux package, G >    I see no problem with getting locked into something like VMS that h0 >    actually works and has outstanding support. >   8 OpenVMS does not have outstanding support from the ISV's7 in the sense that its sw portfolio is tiny and with the  Itanium move diminishing.   6 Part of the reason why OpenVMS isn't well supported by1 ISV's is because HP don't actively market/support $ OpenVMS porting programs with ISV's.  5 You can see where this is leading but the simple fact 7 is that OpenVMS break and fix support may be wonderfull:2 but that is only one aspect of what is required to3 truly support a platform and its the other criticale, bits that HP is almost entirely absent from.  2 Solaris x86 makes an interesting parallel, compare0 and contrast the efforts that Sun has gone to to/ attract new ISV's to Solaris x86, could that be / why we have well over double the available appsI on the platform.   Regards  Andrew Harrisonm   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Oct 2004 07:52:17 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann). Subject: Re: Logging Serial Connection to File0 Message-ID: <cklb7h$nb1$2@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  d In article <1tWdnV-pacBXTfDcRVn-sA@rogers.com>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.braga@noreply.com> writes:K >We are implementing a new phone system that can dump an activity log to a  K >serial connection.  What we would like to do is have this logged captured  M >into a log file ans store on our VMS server so that it then can be imported tL >into our database for analysis.  What would be the best way to handle this. >oK >a) use a pc with the serial connection attached and then user kea-term or aL >another package to capture to a log then manually close and ftp the log to  >vms >oI >b) connect the serial cable to a terminal server that my vms system can mF >reach and then use the vms telnet client to connect to that port and D >redirect all input to that port to a file by redirecting sys$output >/H >c) writing an application somehow that can connect to that port on the K >terminal server an redirect all data to a log file directly and then then tM >application can periodly flush this output.  This would be kind of a telnet f >symbiont but in reverse.o  	 I suggestmI d) using C-Kermit. With its scripting capability it is no big deal to logcM    everything into a file (see "LOG SESSION"). It is even possible to combine K    DCL and C-Kermit, that's what we do to create a logfile for our firewall 
    every day.,   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann.   -- oE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452   ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot deo  D-79011  Freiburg, Germanys9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmln   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 07:22:56 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>o. Subject: Re: Logging Serial Connection to File, Message-ID: <416E6185.BE21B7D3@teksavvy.com>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:iK > d) using C-Kermit. With its scripting capability it is no big deal to logsO >    everything into a file (see "LOG SESSION"). It is even possible to combineaM >    DCL and C-Kermit, that's what we do to create a logfile for our firewallK >    every day.   K How do you end the kermit script so that you can cleanly close the log filer and then re-open a new one ?   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 09:38:38 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) . Subject: Re: Logging Serial Connection to File3 Message-ID: <prXrJwa1$FGu@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  d In article <1tWdnV-pacBXTfDcRVn-sA@rogers.com>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.braga@noreply.com> writes:L > We are implementing a new phone system that can dump an activity log to a L > serial connection.  What we would like to do is have this logged captured N > into a log file ans store on our VMS server so that it then can be imported M > into our database for analysis.  What would be the best way to handle this.e >   F    If this log is at all valuable, then I would write a simple programB    to open the serial port directly on VMS, and use that.  Opening?    a serial port via LAT or TELNET on a terminal server is wellaC    documented.  Opening a serial port directly on the VMS system is-    also an option.  C    What hardware are you running VMS on?  Many have a couple serialo	    ports.9   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:12:24 GMTg) From: simon@stirley.me.uk (Simon Stirley)e% Subject: Newbie question re: accounts 2 Message-ID: <416ea4d2.1401192638@news.demon.co.uk>   Hi,n  @ I've setup and networked my openVMS box now, but after adding an> account ('sa' to install/run a database under) I can't see the= secondary/data disk when under that account. It seems it getssD dismounted, or I don't have permissions to see it anyway .. calls to* mount aren't allowed for this user either.  D I'm happy to set this user up with full rights, but can someone tell6 me simply the commands to do this ? I've come across -   SET PROCESS/PRIVILIGES a  @ and a few other commands (including calls in the UAF 'Authorize'3 program) but nothing seems to do quite what I want.A   TIA.   Simon.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Oct 2004 16:35:26 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com>:) Subject: Re: Newbie question re: accountst7 Message-ID: <Xns9582BD2CDCDE4dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   ? %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Simon Stirley wrote in news:416ea4d2.1401192638l @news.demon.co.ukn   >  > Hi,a > B > I've setup and networked my openVMS box now, but after adding an@ > account ('sa' to install/run a database under) I can't see the? > secondary/data disk when under that account. It seems it getsdF > dismounted, or I don't have permissions to see it anyway .. calls to, > mount aren't allowed for this user either. > F > I'm happy to set this user up with full rights, but can someone tell8 > me simply the commands to do this ? I've come across - >  > SET PROCESS/PRIVILIGES t > B > and a few other commands (including calls in the UAF 'Authorize'5 > program) but nothing seems to do quite what I want.   I You did use MOUNT/SYSTEM in SYSTARTUP_VMS for the secondary disk, didn't   you?     Doc. -- lG OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:07:42 -0400t) From: William Webb <webbww@bellsouth.net>s) Subject: Re: Newbie question re: accountss4 Message-ID: <Zkybd.198$qH3.9@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   Simon Stirley wrote:   > Hi,  > B > I've setup and networked my openVMS box now, but after adding an@ > account ('sa' to install/run a database under) I can't see the? > secondary/data disk when under that account. It seems it getsaF > dismounted, or I don't have permissions to see it anyway .. calls to, > mount aren't allowed for this user either. > F > I'm happy to set this user up with full rights, but can someone tell8 > me simply the commands to do this ? I've come across - >  > SET PROCESS/PRIVILIGES h > B > and a few other commands (including calls in the UAF 'Authorize'5 > program) but nothing seems to do quite what I want.  >  > TIA. >  > Simon.  & Are you sure that it's MOUNTED/SYSTEM?  F If you just MOUNT a disk, it's privately mounted, and a SHOW DEVICE D C will list the disk, but it'll show up as ONLINE instead of MOUNTED.m   HTHz   WWWebb   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 06:29:22 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)" Subject: Re: OpenVMS : New Roadmap< Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410140529.ca966a2@posting.google.com>  f Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message news:<2t4cbkF1rspv9U1@uni-berlin.de>...( > On 2004-10-13 02:36, "JF Mezei" wrote: > 	 > > [...]i > > Q > > I note that while graphics are mentioned for 8.2, Graphics are "TBD" for 8.3.a > I > I guess it's because the current "Radeon 7500" graphics adapter will belJ > no longer available when 8.3 will be ready to ship -- and a decision for* > a new adapter card hasn't been made yet. > M > > Anmd nowhere in that 47 page document (PDF version) is there mention of a   > > roadmap for X-windows/Motif. >  > "Server-centric" view?    D A good evolution for OpenVMS graphics - may be merging with AdvancedD Server Features (or Samba/OVMS) - is the Sun Java Desktop. Today Sun si releasing8 the Solaris version. I think someone at HP should think.   Regardsi FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:07:52 -0400a# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> " Subject: Re: OpenVMS : New Roadmap, Message-ID: <2tudnTgh4rvdFfPcRVn-oA@igs.net>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:@ > Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message) > news:<2t4cbkF1rspv9U1@uni-berlin.de>...e) >> On 2004-10-13 02:36, "JF Mezei" wrote:- >>	 >>> [...]- >>>-B >>> I note that while graphics are mentioned for 8.2, Graphics are >>> "TBD" for 8.3. >>G >> I guess it's because the current "Radeon 7500" graphics adapter will6A >> be no longer available when 8.3 will be ready to ship -- and aa8 >> decision for a new adapter card hasn't been made yet. >>@ >>> Anmd nowhere in that 47 page document (PDF version) is there- >>> mention of a roadmap for X-windows/Motif.v >> >> "Server-centric" view?r >o >aF > A good evolution for OpenVMS graphics - may be merging with AdvancedF > Server Features (or Samba/OVMS) - is the Sun Java Desktop. Today Sun > si releasing: > the Solaris version. I think someone at HP should think.     HP is not allowed to 'think'. I That is an IBM-only prerogative, claimed by Thomas Watson, Sr. many yearse ago.  K HP is only allowed to 'invent' and since they are simply turning themselvessI into a Wintel box-pusher and me-too consumer device company, where is the0 need to 'think'?   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:32:50 GMT?% From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com>>O Subject: OT Restrictions on use of Pascal?  Was Latest on Windoze Navy softwareIE Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410141030350.16368@localhost.localdomain>,  ( On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Wayne Sewell wrote:  F > The problem is that most consulting customers want the source code,  > so I can't use Pascal.  C Sorry, I'm not making the connection here.  Are you not allowed to =; distribute the source of programs that you write in Pascal?t     --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free!66 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX)a2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 04:29:15 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: OT: IBM Redbooks-= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410140329.63e8f732@posting.google.com>   i Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote in message news:<mddpt3m71zc.fsf@panix5.panix.com>...r1 > Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:0 > A > > In article <5d708ac7.0410122035.1c0af615@posting.google.com>,05 > > johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com (John Reinhardt) writes:- >  -J > >> let's not go there).  Alternatives could be DECbooks (taken already?) >  -J > > There are at least two instances of DEC reusing a name for a differentI > > product.  DECset was one, and the other was an inter-application link-F > > mechanism whose name I forget (DEClink?).  Of course I never _did_H > > understand what the usurper product did, making it clear how useless* > > taking over the name turned out to be. > N > How about DECsystem?  First used on a series of excellent 36-bit mainframes,K > and later re-used on an Ultrix server product with a MIPS processor (samep$ > timeframe as the DECstation-3100).    C DEC is DEAD ! I know everyone here loved this company but you must >? accept the facts. May be a lot of people here need to go to the . psychologist to attempt to manage "this lost".  A By the way ... Are there movies (documentaries, TV ads, memories)a- from DEC available? May be in any HP garage ?o  B If Ok,  someoene could convert these tapes to MPEG and put them in a site for download.       RegardsT   FC   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Oct 2004 12:41:14 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: OT: IBM Redbookst+ Message-ID: <2t7afaF1rl804U1@uni-berlin.de>w  = In article <f30679fb.0410140329.63e8f732@posting.google.com>, 1 	fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:Mk > Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote in message news:<mddpt3m71zc.fsf@panix5.panix.com>...s2 >> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >> TB >> > In article <5d708ac7.0410122035.1c0af615@posting.google.com>,6 >> > johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com (John Reinhardt) writes: >>  K >> >> let's not go there).  Alternatives could be DECbooks (taken already?)a >>  K >> > There are at least two instances of DEC reusing a name for a differenteJ >> > product.  DECset was one, and the other was an inter-application linkG >> > mechanism whose name I forget (DEClink?).  Of course I never _did_ I >> > understand what the usurper product did, making it clear how uselessg+ >> > taking over the name turned out to be.  >>  O >> How about DECsystem?  First used on a series of excellent 36-bit mainframes,eL >> and later re-used on an Ultrix server product with a MIPS processor (same% >> timeframe as the DECstation-3100).a >  > E > DEC is DEAD ! I know everyone here loved this company but you must  A > accept the facts. May be a lot of people here need to go to thee0 > psychologist to attempt to manage "this lost". > C > By the way ... Are there movies (documentaries, TV ads, memories) / > from DEC available? May be in any HP garage ?e  F I think I still have a few DEC training videos in a box in the back of one of my storage rooms.  :-)G   > D > If Ok,  someoene could convert these tapes to MPEG and put them in > a site for download.  & Probably illegal (at least in the US.)   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:09:13 -0400># From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>c Subject: Re: OT: IBM Redbooksn, Message-ID: <P9qdnUNyR90PFfPcRVn-oA@igs.net>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:@ > Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote in message, > news:<mddpt3m71zc.fsf@panix5.panix.com>...2 >> Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >>A >>> In article <5d708ac7.0410122035.1c0af615@posting.google.com>,e5 >>> johnhreinhardt@yahoo.com (John Reinhardt) writes:o >>@ >>>> let's not go there).  Alternatives could be DECbooks (taken >>>> already?) >>@ >>> There are at least two instances of DEC reusing a name for a< >>> different product.  DECset was one, and the other was anD >>> inter-application link mechanism whose name I forget (DEClink?).D >>> Of course I never _did_ understand what the usurper product did,F >>> making it clear how useless taking over the name turned out to be. >>C >> How about DECsystem?  First used on a series of excellent 36-bit C >> mainframes, and later re-used on an Ultrix server product with ae: >> MIPS processor (same timeframe as the DECstation-3100). >e >cD > DEC is DEAD ! I know everyone here loved this company but you mustA > accept the facts. May be a lot of people here need to go to the 0 > psychologist to attempt to manage "this lost". >rC > By the way ... Are there movies (documentaries, TV ads, memories)d/ > from DEC available? May be in any HP garage ?- > D > If Ok,  someoene could convert these tapes to MPEG and put them in > a site for download.    : I have a video promoting Alphaservers from around 1995-96.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 09:33:21 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: OT: IBM Redbooksw3 Message-ID: <fcQG5AVaEi33@eisner.encompasserve.org>i  d In article <mddpt3m71zc.fsf@panix5.panix.com>, Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> writes: > N > How about DECsystem?  First used on a series of excellent 36-bit mainframes,K > and later re-used on an Ultrix server product with a MIPS processor (samei$ > timeframe as the DECstation-3100).  :    You're confusing DECSYSTEM with DECsystem.  I had both.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 09:34:44 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler). Subject: Re: OT: IBM Redbookso3 Message-ID: <KBiWDV0kp37D@eisner.encompasserve.org>a  n In article <f30679fb.0410140329.63e8f732@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:  C > By the way ... Are there movies (documentaries, TV ads, memories)o/ > from DEC available? May be in any HP garage ?=  A    Maybe somebody could track down a copy of "digibits".  Haven't=3    seen that one since the VAX 8000 series was new."   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:33:33 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> Subject: Re: OT: IBM Redbooks:6 Message-ID: <QSxbd.154$qH3.144@bignews6.bellsouth.net>   Fabio Cardoso wrote:  C > By the way ... Are there movies (documentaries, TV ads, memories)w/ > from DEC available? May be in any HP garage ?o  I I still have a small rubber/plastic "Fletcher"... as was portrayed as an  K animated character in some sort of DEC marketing video we saw at a meeting 3I of the MIVAX LUG during a montly meeting of DECUS members.  I distinctly eK remember the scene where the cyberspace adventurers were traveling through  I the network and got onto a lobe in a token ring network and they entered  G into the core of an IBM mainframe... it was quite funny to watch.  The iF visualizations of various computer & network technologies were rather I creative and entertaining to see and that one marketing video I wouldn't a mind seeing in MPEG format.t  0 Does anybody else have a Fletcher from that era?     -- a Chuck ChoppB  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Oct 2004 07:26:22 GMT< From: gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens (Christoph Gartmann)8 Subject: Re: Program to read a 8000 bytes record file...0 Message-ID: <ckl9mu$nb1$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  m In article <ddf392ea.0410131514.179ab833@posting.google.com>, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes: J >Im looking for a program or DCL procedure to open a specified file with J >a 8000 bytes record, and put this record in another file, with a 80 byte 5 >record file and carriage_return. Could you help me ?r  E I have a set of Pascal programs to read files with large records (eg. E STREAM_LF), remove CRs and/or LFs. Let me know if you are interested.f   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannw   -- cE  Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452o  ImmunbiologieI  Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio dot mpg dot dee  D-79011  Freiburg, Germany 9                http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/menue.htmlw   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 06:57:32 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org8 Subject: Re: Program to read a 8000 bytes record file...3 Message-ID: <7p1Dh8p65$J8@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  m In article <ddf392ea.0410131514.179ab833@posting.google.com>, contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes:aK > Im looking for a program or DCL procedure to open a specified file with kK > a 8000 bytes record, and put this record in another file, with a 80 byte  6 > record file and carriage_return. Could you help me ? > Thanks in advance...  ? In addition to the good advice already given, you could look at-= EXCHANGE /NETWORK.  That can give you some additional optionso< that may (or may not) be useful, depending on the details of your situation.-   	John Briggs   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:17:06 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>a8 Subject: Re: Program to read a 8000 bytes record file...+ Message-ID: <2t795nF1sp64bU1@uni-berlin.de>a   Christoph Gartmann wrote:s  ? > In article <ddf392ea.0410131514.179ab833@posting.google.com>,m2  > contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes: > K >>Im looking for a program or DCL procedure to open a specified file with  K >>a 8000 bytes record, and put this record in another file, with a 80 byte  6 >>record file and carriage_return. Could you help me ? > G > I have a set of Pascal programs to read files with large records (eg.pG > STREAM_LF), remove CRs and/or LFs. Let me know if you are interested.   5 My preference for this sort of thing is good ol' TPU.t   Trivial in TPU.u  	 Roy Omondn Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 06:55:28 -0700o# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com>e8 Subject: Re: Program to read a 8000 bytes record file...( Message-ID: <opsfu4yqd6zgicya@hyrrokkin>  1 On 14 Oct 2004 07:26:22 GMT, Christoph Gartmann  -* <gartmann@non.immunbio.mpg.de.sens> wrote:  A > In article <ddf392ea.0410131514.179ab833@posting.google.com>,  o1 > contracer11@uol.com.br (Shiva MahaDeva) writes:aL >> I´m looking for a program or DCL procedure to open a specified file withK >> a 8000 bytes record, and put this record in another file, with a 80 byte 7 >> record file and carriage_return. Could you help me ?h >iG > I have a set of Pascal programs to read files with large records (eg.nG > STREAM_LF), remove CRs and/or LFs. Let me know if you are interested.4 >:
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmannn  F This trivial to do with a PL/I program, open two files, OLD an NEW andD use the ENVIRONMENT option then read from one and write to the other   %YES = '1'B; %NO  = '0'B;  = OPEN FILE(OLD) RECORD ENVIRONMENT (MAXIMUM_RECORD_SIZE(8000),tA                                     FIXED_LENGTH_RECORDS(YES) ) ,t  <       FILE(NEW) RECORD ENVIRONMENT (MAXIMUM_RECORD_SIZE(80),A                                     FIXED_LENGTH_RECORDS(YES) ) ;o >m       -- gC Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:20:49 -0700a5 From: "Fred Hoenisch" <Fred.Hoenisch@gems9.gov.bc.ca>vC Subject: Routine to Resubmit print/batch entries from queue listingy+ Message-ID: <416eb571$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>y   Hi all:t  L Does anyone have a routine that will take a queue listing ($ SHOW QUEUE /ALLD /FULL /OUT=<fname>) and generate a list of SUBMIT statements from it0 (obviously with all the appropriate qualifiers)?  # I don't want to reinvent the wheel.a   Yours truly, Fred.    --J Disclaimer: Any comments made are personal and do not reflect the thoughts or policies of this company.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 07:18:25 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: RTOS Linuxd= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410140618.4fa9e72d@posting.google.com>u  0 OpenVMS Real Time users must be worried. I am !   g http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1817&e=10&u=/cmp/20041012/tc_cmp/49900864&sid=96120750t   Regardsf   FC   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Oct 2004 12:10:33 -0500B From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: RTOS Linuxi3 Message-ID: <ZWieaI3oidYK@eisner.encompasserve.org>o  n In article <f30679fb.0410140618.4fa9e72d@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes:2 > OpenVMS Real Time users must be worried. I am !  > i > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1817&e=10&u=/cmp/20041012/tc_cmp/49900864&sid=96120750i > 	 > Regards  >  > FC  F There are a number of free RTOS options available already, so one more7 probably will not make much difference. A few examples:t  F a) In the Linux area, you have RTLinux, which is implemented as a hardL realtime kernel running below Linux (it runs Linux as a task). A major issueI here is that the Linux device drivers run in the non-realtime part of the I system, so if you need realtime device drivers for your project, you haver1 to implement them again under the RTLinux kernel.=  G As an example, there appears to be no real-time USB support in RTLinux, A (If I am wrong about that, I would _really_ appreciate a pointer)c  @ b) RedHat has a RTOS implemented from the ground up called eCos.  ( c) OAR Corp produce a RTOS called RTEMS.  L d) If you are a hobbyist, and hence your project is non-commercial, then QNXK make available a cut down version of QNX (called QNX NC) for free use. Note-J that if you want to build embedded systems with it, you have to go back to> QNX NC 6.1, as QNX removed the embedded tools from QNX NC 6.2.   Simon.   -- @B Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP       7 Microsoft: The Standard Oil Company of the 21st centuryy   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:20:30 -0400 ) From: Andrew Robert <arobert@townisp.com>o' Subject: VMS and Perl /Python scriptingr0 Message-ID: <10mtd99gvdvri6a@corp.supernews.com>   Hi everyone,  B Does anyone know of any good web sites with sample Perl or Python & scripts specifically designed for VMS?  I I've been doing some Perl/Python development on VMS and the results have   been very positive.   1 Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.o   Thanks   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.571 ************************