1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 16 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 574       Contents:! DS10L SCSI card - recommendations  Re: J F on why USA is a regime* Just posted on the Oracle Rdb mail-list...F Laptop-format SCSI drives; new 1U rackmount server/shelf possibilitiesJ Re: Laptop-format SCSI drives; new 1U rackmount server/shelf possibilities# Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software   Re: Newbie question re: accountsA Re: OT Restrictions on use of Pascal?  Was Latest on Windoze Navy A Re: OT Restrictions on use of Pascal?  Was Latest on Windoze Navy  Re: Queuename from DCL? > Re: Routine to Resubmit print/batch entries from queue listing Re: Some 7.3-2 hassles Re: suns big mistake ..." Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ???" Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ???" Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ???" Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ???" Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ???$ Re: Usable snapshot of a DEcwindow ?$ Re: Usable snapshot of a DEcwindow ?$ Re: Usable snapshot of a DEcwindow ?3 Re: VMS related water bound powerful mammal artwork 3 Re: VMS related water bound powerful mammal artwork   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:16:19 +1000 # From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> * Subject: DS10L SCSI card - recommendations- Message-ID: <4170928a@duster.adelaide.on.net>   K Rather than using IDE (perhaps slow as in an earlier thread), could I have  M recommendations for a SCSI card for a 36/72Gb disk - third party if possible  J as I want to get one in the next day or so and can't access "real" Compaq  cards.  Adaptec?   Thanks     ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:59:25 -0400 * From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>' Subject: Re: J F on why USA is a regime = Message-ID: <YcidnazvmomN7-3cRVn-hw@metrocastcablevision.com>   5 "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message & news:4170088A.6070901@tsoft-inc.com...   ...   C > >>The day the USA began its illegal invasion of Iraq, it became a 	 "regime".  >  > H > It's even more illegal and a crime against humanity to allow something likeG > Saddam to remain in power and impose harm on those within and outside  Iraq.   L Actually, the latter is not technically illegal at all, whereas the invasion most assuredly was.   I Perhaps you need to brush up on your international and United States law, L rather than speak from such abject ignorance while acting as if you actuallyI knew something about the subject.  Kofi Annan has (unfortunately, over 18 L months too late) finally recently admitted the reality that the invasion wasG indeed illegal:  not only was it a violation of the U.N. charter, which L restricts military action to self-defense unless authorized by the U.N., butI by extension it was also a violation of U.S. law, since the U.S. ratified D said charter as a treaty and the Constitution (Article VI, clause 2)B specifies that treaties are part of 'the supreme law of the land'.  F Whether it might constitute a greater 'crime against humanity' (in theH vernacular, of course, rather than the legal sense) is also seriously inD doubt.  For example, it has been exhaustively substantiated that theJ sanctions imposed on Iraq (largely as a result of misguided U.S. pressure,G long after the rationale for any such sanctions was known to be faulty) F since the first Gulf War resulted in far greater hardship on the IraqiL people than Saddam's regime did - so any argument that justifies the removal? of his government would equally justify the removal of our own.   F Attitudes like yours are a significant part of the reason that a largeG portion of the world would stand up and cheer if Washington, D.C., were I wiped off the face of the earth - not as vengeance so much as to knock us K down enough pegs to make us cease being a threat to the rest of the planet. L Until we change our attitude significantly, you can count me in that number.   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:44:42 +0200 9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com> 3 Subject: Just posted on the Oracle Rdb mail-list... ' Message-ID: <41700C8A.286B09EC@aaa.com>   )     Dear Customers and Business Partners,   E     During November HP is pleased to provide you with the opportunity B     to meet with one of HP OpenVMS' executives, Paul Lacombe. PaulE     will be visiting Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane (dates below) and ?     will be giving an insight into OpenVMS futures, at both the !     technical and business level.   C     The presentations will start at 10am and go until 12 noon. Paul F     will be available for Q&A during and after this time (until 1pm). (     Light refreshments will be provided.  E     Who should attend ?	Business Managers, IT Managers & IT technical >     professionals who rely on OpenVMS for thir business or are"     interested in OpenVMS futures.    E     8th November - Sydney. HP Riverside, 3 Richardson Place Nth Ryde.   A     10th November - Melbourne. HP St Kilda Rd, 564 St. Kilda Road   A     11th November - Brisbane: HP Brisbane, 18 Little Cribb Street   ;     Please circulate this to interested parties within your A     organisation. Please register your interest in attending this $     event by replying to this email.       Regards        Rob O'Meley   ,     Solutions Architect & OpenVMS Ambassador  %     Hewlett-Packard Australia Pty Ltd        Tel: +61 2 9022 1015     Fax: +61 2 9022 1019     Mob: 0407 287818   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2004 14:50:31 -0700& From: jordan@ccs4vms.com (Rich Jordan)O Subject: Laptop-format SCSI drives; new 1U rackmount server/shelf possibilities = Message-ID: <cc5619f2.0410151350.288aeec5@posting.google.com>   C Seagate has released 2.5" "laptop" sized SCSI drives. 10,000RPM and T per some testing at http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/seagate-savvio/index.x?pg=1E they come close to the Cheetah line in performance (though not in all > aspects).  However the current models only provide 37 and 73GBE storage, so they cannot replace the newest 3.5" units one-for-one (at  least not yet).   @ It would be awfully nice to think about a VMS capable laptop notF hindered by a crappy IDE interface (sigh).  But this drive seems to beC a natural for use in 1U rackmount servers, or for use in very small D but high performing storage shelves.  Its quieter than most 10K 3.5"B drives, and uses less power.  Once the price comes down they could: provide an interesting option, if HP is at all interested.   Rich   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:39:30 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> S Subject: Re: Laptop-format SCSI drives; new 1U rackmount server/shelf possibilities , Message-ID: <fcedneTi176k7e3cRVn-tA@igs.net>   Rich Jordan wrote:E > Seagate has released 2.5" "laptop" sized SCSI drives. 10,000RPM and  > per some testing at G > http://techreport.com/reviews/2004q4/seagate-savvio/index.x?pg=1 they B > come close to the Cheetah line in performance (though not in all@ > aspects).  However the current models only provide 37 and 73GBG > storage, so they cannot replace the newest 3.5" units one-for-one (at  > least not yet).  > B > It would be awfully nice to think about a VMS capable laptop notH > hindered by a crappy IDE interface (sigh).  But this drive seems to beE > a natural for use in 1U rackmount servers, or for use in very small F > but high performing storage shelves.  Its quieter than most 10K 3.5"D > drives, and uses less power.  Once the price comes down they could< > provide an interesting option, if HP is at all interested.      K I'll sign up for one of those portable Itanic-powered notebook-frying pans.    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2004 15:30:44 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software+ Message-ID: <2ta8p3F1sveq5U1@uni-berlin.de>   2 In article <jUPbd.37101$Z14.13678@news.indigo.ie>,. 	"Tom Wade" <nospam@picard.eurokom.ie> writes: > 7 > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message ' > news:2t83nvF1t1choU1@uni-berlin.de...  > . >> "It's a poor workman who blames his tools." > I > I want to shave with a razor, I'll use a modern safety one, not an open J > cut-throat type.  Yes, if I slice my jugular it's my fault, but I'm much+ > more likely to do so with an unsafe tool.   E My point exactly.  Just like it isn't the fault of the straight razor B that you can't use it, it isn't C's fault that so many incompetentA "programmers" (I use that term very loosely!) use it to write bad 	 programs.    > H >> I don't know how to break this too you, but C doesn't have a "string"G >> datatype.  There is nothing to prevent anyone from doing strings any = >> way they please (like, for instance, the UCSD Pascal way).  > G > They are not prevented from doing differently, but they are certainly K > *encouraged* by the fact that so many of the CRTL (and Unix system calls) # > pass string arguments this way.     ' Thus my original comment about inertia.   L >                                 And, I know C doesn't have a "string" typeM > but it does pass what people think of as strings as an address of an array, L > the end of which is only known when a null byte is encountered. Perhaps if> > it had defined a proper string type like Fortran and Basic,   B Well, I haven't used Fortran since F77, but base don that your nowE batting about .330.  While some BASICs did have string types (but not B all BASICs) Fortran, at least as far as F77 did not.  It used, areG you ready for this, CHARACTER arrays, just like C, except they probably $ would not have been null terminated.  K >                                                             which allowed L > the compiler writers to implement pass by descriptor we wouldn't have seen* > so many occurrences of this type of bug.  G I would have to look, but I am not sure either the BASICs I worked with F or the Fortrans I worked with used "pass by descriptor".  I think thatF was originally a DEC thing which may have then leaked into the rest of
 the world.   > C >> Ye, and long after all this was known newer versions of sendmail E >> continued to have this problem.  The reason was apathy and not the B >> C programming language.  How long ago was the weakness in "nullA >> terminated strings" revealed?  Why do we still have them?  Not A >> because of C, but because programmers don't really care.  And, & >> apparently neither do their bosses. > D > But if a language that did have a string passing mechanism such as+ > descriptors was used in the first place,    H Hindsight is always 20-20.  Sendmail was developed from a program calledH "delivermail", written by Eric Allman back around 1979 on BSD 4.0.  Now,E what do you think his choices were for a language in that environment D that would be protable to other sites running that environment?  HowH many 1979 BSD 4.0 systems do you think had any compiler other than the C compiler that came with them?   L >                                          we wouldn't have had so many bugsE > to begin with. Your argument seems to be on the lines of "yes, it's L > dangerous, but everyone should know about it, and it's their fault if they: > do things the way the compiler and RTL encouraged them".  K We were a rather naive industry in those days.  You probably don't remember K the days of the early ARPAnet when MIT ran machines with people first names F as userids and no passwords because just like people wouldn't think ofF invading your home computer system citizens wouldn't think of invadingH your account.  No one assumed that the time would come when every littleH geek in the world would be spending his time breaking into, compromising+ or crashing whatever system they can reach.    > E >> And, as I said, C doesn't have a string data type so why are these C >> problems still around?  Programmer apathy, supervisor apathy and * >> acceptance of bad programming practice. > 2 > On the part of the compiler designers certainly.  D If the language doesn't have a string data type, how is the compiler writer supposed to fix it?   > $ >> I can (and have for demonstrationE >> purposes) write bad programs in COBOL, Pascal, Ada, Java, Fortran. K >> Algol, PL/I, etc. etc. etc.  No langauge can stop a prgrammer from being 
 >> stupid. > J > But a sensibly designed language should not actually encourage dangerous > practice.   I C doesn't encourage or discourage anything.  It is totally neutral.  Like E I said, I can write some really bad stuff in COBOL. (I've been on the C maintenance end of some of this really bad code!)  It's not COBOL's  fault.  L >           One can be a dangerous lunatic on the road with any type of car,I > but that doesn't mean car safety design is a waste of time.  It's about M > reducing the likelihood and limiting the scope of stupidity, not preventing  > it altogether.  D So then, why don't we all drive totally indestructable vehicles likeG tanks?  Because it is not practical to try to exhibit that much control F over people's actions.  I would really rather not have to program withE my hands tied behind my back.  I can always type with my nose, but it + will definitely decrease my productivity.      bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2004 15:40:30 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software+ Message-ID: <2ta9beF1sveq5U3@uni-berlin.de>   + In article <416EF323.A59D59E3@adldata.com>, & 	sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes: > JF Mezei wrote:  >>   >> Tom Wade wrote:I >> > Yes, you can compensate for this with good programming practice, but O >> > interfaces using string descriptors were always a much safer way to do it.  >>  / >> Does any language use descriptors natively ?  > 
 > VMS fortran   7 VMS Fortran is not a language, it is an implementation.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:10:26 -0400 # From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> , Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software+ Message-ID: <417020A2.D63B054B@adldata.com>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > - > In article <416EF323.A59D59E3@adldata.com>, / >         sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes:  > > JF Mezei wrote:  > >> > >> Tom Wade wrote:K > >> > Yes, you can compensate for this with good programming practice, but Q > >> > interfaces using string descriptors were always a much safer way to do it.  > >>1 > >> Does any language use descriptors natively ?  > >  > > VMS fortran  > 9 > VMS Fortran is not a language, it is an implementation.  >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>    F That is correct. However, of the languages I know about, none specify : internal activity. No language uses descriptors natively. : Fortran specs just say that you have a string (CHARACTER) E data types and when you pass a string in a subroutine/function call,  H the length of the string is available in the called routine and by gollyG the LEN function works in subroutines and you can define the length of  - the passed string in the subroutine with "*".     Nothing says how this is done.    H VMS fortran likes to pass the string address and length in a descripter.F Most other languages will pass a lngth value as a "hidden" parameters E either right after the string address or grouped together at the end   of the list of parameters.    E These are transparent to the programmer who only deals with fortran.  B Once you have fortran and other languages (such as C) interfacing 5 with each other, you have to deal with these things.     regards  sol    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2004 16:07:42 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software3 Message-ID: <SV1Fvd2odyAi@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <2ta9beF1sveq5U3@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:- > In article <416EF323.A59D59E3@adldata.com>, ( > 	sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes: >> JF Mezei wrote: >>>  >>> Tom Wade wrote: J >>> > Yes, you can compensate for this with good programming practice, butP >>> > interfaces using string descriptors were always a much safer way to do it. >>> 0 >>> Does any language use descriptors natively ? >>   >> VMS fortran > 9 > VMS Fortran is not a language, it is an implementation.   ; In the sense that the question is asked it is talking about   language implementations on VMS.  B Use of descriptors is by its very nature an implementation detail.D Only in C is there a part of the language dictating string structure9 implementation, and unfortunately in an unsafe direction.   = And C, of course, means the current international C standard,  not the K&R historic curiosity.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:44:41 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>, Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software+ Message-ID: <41706EF9.72BAB003@comcast.net>    Tom Wade wrote:  > 7 > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message ' > news:2t83nvF1t1choU1@uni-berlin.de...  > / > > "It's a poor workman who blames his tools."  > I > I want to shave with a razor, I'll use a modern safety one, not an open J > cut-throat type.  Yes, if I slice my jugular it's my fault, but I'm much+ > more likely to do so with an unsafe tool.   3 Perhaps you should consider growing a full beard...    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:16:13 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com , Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software- Message-ID: <87is9bv4wy.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   * bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  2 > In article <opsfvu7ifdaqvj2s@news.ntlworld.com>,$ > 	reb <natron@ntlworld.com> writes:K >> On 14 Oct 2004 17:50:03 -0500, Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@SpamCop.net>   	 >> wrote:   @ >>> While I _could_ engage in safe programming practices just byF >>> spending more time with C, what assurances do I have that _others_ >>> have done so ?   B >> Somewhere I have a copy of a report from the old UK electricity> >> generating board that includes a phrase alone the lines of:   E >> "I'm sure it is possible to write safe code in C, in much the same @ >> way it is possible to shell peas while wearing boxing gloves"  F > So the man was an idiot.  There's a lot of that going around.  SinceD > I have been at this University I have watched the starter languageC > go from Pascal to Ada to Java with later courses being done using D > Modula, C, C++.  The students also get a smattering of COBOL.  YouF > know what.  The beginners make the same mistakes using Java that ehyD > made using Ada and Pascal before it.  We like to think that by theF > time they graduate they know better than to make those same mistakes > in any language.  C OK, for the idiots ;) out there, I'll repeat my comp.arch challenge  of some time ago.   0 Write any non-trivial function in C. It must be,   Correct.4 Totally conformant with any standard implementation.	 Portable.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:50:21 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>) Subject: Re: Newbie question re: accounts + Message-ID: <4170704C.63B7B3C2@comcast.net>    Simon Stirley wrote: > 2 > On Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:07:42 -0400, William Webb > <webbww@bellsouth.net> wrote:  >  > >Simon Stirley wrote:  > [snip] > > ) > >Are you sure that it's MOUNTED/SYSTEM?  > > H > >If you just MOUNT a disk, it's privately mounted, and a SHOW DEVICE DF > >will list the disk, but it'll show up as ONLINE instead of MOUNTED. > >  > D > Told you I was a newbie :) it was mounted private it seems, that'sB > sorted that out ! I still can't read the folder as the 'sa' user7 > though, which I think is permissions ? the error is -  > = > '%DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening DKA0:[DISK1]*.*;* as input B > -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilige or file protection violation' > E > Can someone tell me how to either give the 'sa' user full access to @ > the folders on this drive (currently only [disk1] and [disk2],G > permission to create/edit stuff on this drive. Or alternately set the E > drive to be globally accessible ? I'm familiar with unix chmod etc, , > but can't find an equivalent in openVMS :(   See the URL in my .sig: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/   ...especially:  7 What about File Permissions and "modes"? ...Privileges? . http://www.djesys.com/vms/mentor/vms_prot.html   You'll also want to look at:   Where are the manpages? . http://www.djesys.com/vms/mentor/help_man.html   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2004 16:19:17 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)J Subject: Re: OT Restrictions on use of Pascal?  Was Latest on Windoze Navy+ Message-ID: <2tabk5F1tdcelU2@uni-berlin.de>   , In article <416F1231.95BF65E4@teksavvy.com>,0 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Larry Kilgallen wrote:I >> They certainly have the wrong programmers if their programmers are too I >> dumb to learn Pascal.  Strongly typed languages are much more reliable J >> for programs that will be maintained other than by the original author. > P > However, there are times where language restrictions force programmers to findP > twisted ways to get around language limitations and those can greatly decrease* > program quality and ease of maintenance.  I Not to mention the fact that even the compiler writers for such "strongly G typed" languages know there are times when these thinge just get in the H way shich is why they provide things like teh +R, -R compiler directives in UCSD Pascal.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2004 16:16:46 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)J Subject: Re: OT Restrictions on use of Pascal?  Was Latest on Windoze Navy+ Message-ID: <2tabfdF1tdcelU1@uni-berlin.de>   3 In article <pkGIu6BikbZL@eisner.encompasserve.org>, > 	koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:A >    It's always refeshing to deal with someone who knows several D >    programming languages and knows that picking up a new one is no >    big deal.  C This has always been my understanding as well.  It actually took me A just my spare time during a one week vacation to digest "A User's C Manual and Report" after which I returned to work and started on my F first of many Pascal programming projects. (Even got my picture in theC newspaper over that first one!  Must have been a slow news week :-)    bill      --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:55:20 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)  Subject: Re: Queuename from DCL?. Message-ID: <ckp6eo$8de$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> writes in article <416ed5a7$0$22609$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> dated Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:38:14 +0200: >Christoph Gartmann wrote:	 >> Hello,  >>  M >> from within a DCL procedure I need to know the name of the queue where the P >> procedure is running in. How would I do this? I am aware of F$QETQUI but thisI >> looks a bit overcomplicated for this simple question. Any other ideas?  >>   >> Regards,  >>    Christoph Gartmann >>   > B >Not really so complicated. When you have a specific entry number,2 >there is no need to step through a Queue Context. [...] G >The $ENTRY symbol is automatically defined as the entry number of the  B >current batch job if the current procedure is running within one.  J The $ENTRY symbol is assigned by the SUBMIT command, which was run in someF other process.  The job itself has no access to it, unless it uses theE SUBMIT command and then the value will be the entry number of the job - created by that command, not the current job.   ? I'm not sure if I explained that clearly.  Anyway, moving on...   I By default, the process name contains the entry number.  But the THIS_JOB ) option others have pointed out is easier.   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:40:00 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>G Subject: Re: Routine to Resubmit print/batch entries from queue listing + Message-ID: <2tacr5F1tc7okU1@uni-berlin.de>    Fred Hoenisch wrote:	 > Hi all:  > C > Does anyone have a routine that will take a queue listing ($ SHOW > > QUEUE /ALL /FULL /OUT=<fname>) and generate a list of SUBMITE > statements from it (obviously with all the appropriate qualifiers)?  > % > I don't want to reinvent the wheel.  >  > Yours truly, > Fred.   	 Check out Y http://h18000.www1.hp.com/support/asktima/operating_systems/0095D437-BBF6EF20-1C0097.html F in it you will find DISPLAY_JOBS.COM which is what you are asking for.F It also has DISPLAY_FORMS.COM and DISPLAY_QUEUE.COM which you may also want.   H If anyone wants to be completely frustrated, got to the Natural LanguageH Search Assistant at ITRC and search for "F$GETQUI LOG_SPECIFICATION" YouF will get 3425 hits, many of them do not contain the string GETQUI. For= some reason this severely broken search engine saw the string H "SPECIFICATION" and decided that I wanted to find articles with "MODELS"H in them, i.e. "MODELS SPECIFICATION." But I have no idea why this search would hit the article R http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/servers/ProLiant5500-xeon/500-description.html,A this article has nothing to do with what I was searching for. The H article that I was actually searching for was the 30th item in the list.C But remember, starting in January this will be the only search tool 4 available to us since WIS and DSN are shutting down.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:16:39 -0400 * From: "Marty O'Connor" <moconnor@dvfs.com> Subject: Re: Some 7.3-2 hassles + Message-ID: <2tapfrF1u159mU1@uni-berlin.de>   H "Gerald Marsh" <gerald-@-cyfer-remove_this.demon.co.uk> wrote in message2 news:1097698541.oSq2o09qaWpJdkc/U0BTqw@teranews...G : Just upgraded a highly business critical Alpha cluster to V 7.3-2 and G : I thought I'd post some of the annoyances here. Some are not probably E : due to the unique combination of hardware and software but annoying  : nonetheless! : E : HBVS cluster over a few miles with live apps only one one 8200 of 4 E : nodes. (A DS20 on each site just to support disks via a common SCSI  : bus to HSZ50's.) : C : Previous version was only V7.2 so we were not expecting any major 9 : changes. Entire upgrade included 15 ECO's on each node.  :  : < : I note also that the freelist has shrunk (on a 4Gb system)  a XFC (on by default) was untroduced in 7.3 and will use excess memory that's not in demand. When I \ installed 7.3-1 over 2 years ago my free memory dropped from about 60% to 25% and my nightly( processing clock time dropped about 10%.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:57:11 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ! Subject: Re: suns big mistake ... , Message-ID: <rd2dnalShskMgO3cRVn-1Q@igs.net>   Bob Ceculski wrote: 9 > was to come down with a case of NIH (not invented here) 8 > syndrome when Palmer at DEC was offering alpha and vms: > for sale.  Just think Andrew, if sun would have put that6 > small stash of cash to good use and bought alpha and6 > vms, they could have ruled the IT world ... now they4 > are just another oopsteron peddlar on the brink of% > bankruptcy ... not good ceo vision!      Boob,   I The totality of all Sun's mistakes doesn't add up to 1/10  the management 8 errors that DEC/Compaq/HP have made with respect to VMS.  H The only reason VMS is still around is that it had a big enough customer base to erode.  2 Think of Niagara Falls and you'll get the picture:I 12,000 years ago the falls were at the mouth of the Niagara River at Lake K Ontario. Since that time the falls are eroded their way many miles upstream K to their present position. If the hydro-electric companies on both sides of G the border weren't diverting as much water out of the river into canals L upstream of the falls as they do, in another 12,000 years the falls would be? reduced to a set of rapids near the Lake Erie end of the river.   G The actions of the electric companies cannot reverse the erosion of the F falls which has taken place, but by their 'active measures' (divertingG water), it is expected that the Falls will remain more or less in their L current location for the next 10,000 years or so.  It's hard to believe thatJ HP's so-called actions will result, in the best case, of the stagnation ofL the VMS install base at the mythical 411,000 systems. It sure ain't going to grow.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:11:27 GMT % From: Rob Brown <mylastname@gmcl.com> + Subject: Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ??? E Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410151207001.26243@localhost.localdomain>   , On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, Alexandre Mongin wrote:  C > I would like to export all user's passwords stored in the sysuaf  B > from a first machine up to a second one, where the accounts are  > already existing...   G Is there a reason that you cannot simply copy the SYSUAF.DAT file from  $ the first machine to the second one?  F If you can't just copy the file, The _OpenVMS Cluster Systems_ manual A describes a procedure for merging SYSUAF.DAT files in appendix B.   G My documentation is from the V7.1 doc set, so current manuals may have  + different titles or appendices.  Good luck.      --    B Rob Brown                        b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o mA G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (866)438-2101 (voice) toll free! 6 Edmonton                         (780)438-9343 (voice)5                                   (780)437-3367 (FAX) 2                                   http://gmcl.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2004 13:16:53 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ??? 3 Message-ID: <yCqomdjrzsx6@eisner.encompasserve.org>   g In article <ckoqh8$757$1@news.tiscali.fr>, "Alexandre Mongin" <NOSPAM_alexandre.mongin@csgv.fr> writes:   I > I would like to export all user's passwords stored in the sysuaf from a N > first machine up to a second one, where the accounts are already existing... > 3 > Is this possible through DCL or some free tools ?   C You could, of course, copy entire records with the available tools.   L > In other words, would it be possible to synchronize the passwords from one > machine with the other ?  H That can be fairly dangerous, as someone who gained control of the first> machine could then readily gain control of the second machine.   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:08:17 +0000 (UTC)e, From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)+ Subject: Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ??? . Message-ID: <ckp771$8de$3@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Alexandre Mongin" <NOSPAM_alexandre.mongin@csgv.fr> writes in article <ckoqh8$757$1@news.tiscali.fr> dated Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:31:30 +0200:H >I would like to export all user's passwords stored in the sysuaf from aM >first machine up to a second one, where the accounts are already existing...L > 2 >Is this possible through DCL or some free tools ? >lK >In other words, would it be possible to synchronize the passwords from onet >machine with the other ?=  I Yes, you can synchronize in one direction by copying files.  Here are theo@ files I copy every night.  You will need at least the first two.  
 sysuaf.dat rightslist.dat netproxy.dat tcpip$proxy.dat? tcpip$host.dat
 netobject.dati  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:04:29 GMT & From: jlsue <jefflsxxxz@sbcglobal.net>+ Subject: Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ???c8 Message-ID: <gpe0n0p0greb515qo7mfqh4759qplucu8f@4ax.com>  I On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:08:17 +0000 (UTC), lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A.r
 Lewis) wrote:o   >"Alexandre Mongin" <NOSPAM_alexandre.mongin@csgv.fr> writes in article <ckoqh8$757$1@news.tiscali.fr> dated Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:31:30 +0200:tI >>I would like to export all user's passwords stored in the sysuaf from a-N >>first machine up to a second one, where the accounts are already existing... >>3 >>Is this possible through DCL or some free tools ?  >>L >>In other words, would it be possible to synchronize the passwords from one >>machine with the other ? > J >Yes, you can synchronize in one direction by copying files.  Here are theA >files I copy every night.  You will need at least the first two.  >  >sysuaf.dat  >rightslist.data  H Yikes!!!   I hope the two systems are setup the same (devices, user homeJ directories, etc), elsewise they'll have some fun logging in and using the system.    --- jls 0 The preceding message was personal opinion only.6 I do not speak in any authorized capacity for anyone,  and certainly not my employer.- (get rid of the xxxz in my address to e-mail)i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:55:29 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>f+ Subject: Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ??? + Message-ID: <41704712.FBB6B49@teksavvy.com>t   Alexandre Mongin wrote:aI > I would like to export all user's passwords stored in the sysuaf from ayN > first machine up to a second one, where the accounts are already existing... > 3 > Is this possible through DCL or some free tools ?   ) With DCL, you can export WHOLE records. (e+ $ READ/KEY="username"/INDEX=0 file1 record1 + $ READ/KEY="username"/INDEX=0 file2 record2e $ WRITE/UPDATE file2 record1  > make sure you OPEN/READ/WRITE/SHARE both files and close them.  H However, if you wish to update individual fields, you start getting intoN problems because the official routines access "THE" SYSUAF on that system, andM I am not sure that a single program could use those routines to do $GETUAI on % one file and $SETUAI on another file.h  N You may have to write 2 programs , one which reads records from first node andM stores them in a temporary file and a second one which takes that transactionnS file and applies the updates to the second node (while running on the second node).    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:47:25 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>n- Subject: Re: Usable snapshot of a DEcwindow ? , Message-ID: <z5ednWhu-rDVhu3cRVn-iw@igs.net>   Mike Duffy wrote:c >> -----Original Message-----y7 >> From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com]-* >> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:34 AM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com, >> Subject: Usable snapshot of a DEcwindow ? >> >>8 >> With DECwindows (VAX), what is the best way to take a >> "picture" of a colour7 >> window, and turn it into a usage format (TIFF, PICS,  >> JPEG,.GIF PNG etc ?)l >>< >> Now quite sure what the "WINDOW DUMP" (xwd) utility does. >>> >> There is a print screen utility (Print screen) which allows >> you to crop a >> single window [...]	 >> The PS > >> output seems to work, but when I rasterize it on Photoshop, >> the image is note >> of usable quality.r >n< > I have used "print screen" to capture the entire screen or: > portions thereof, and output to .PS.  From there, I usedA > Paint Shop Pro on a PC to manipulate the images.  The resultiont= > was quite good.  If I recall, the Paint Shop Pro .PS readers? > (a separate importer that seems not to be part of PSP itself)t= > had an adjustable resolution that could be tinkered with ats@ > read time.  I turned mine way up.  I did notice one curiosity:A > The PSP image created by this method had large borders of blanka< > space that had to be cropped.  In many cases, the captured@ > image took up only a few percent of the total image.  The restC > was blank space.  After cropping, however, the resultion remainedo > very good.     I'll second that.o   XV also works fine.i   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:02:02 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)- Subject: Re: Usable snapshot of a DEcwindow ?-. Message-ID: <ckp6ra$8de$2@newslocal.mitre.org>   lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) writes in article <iERbd.925$fD.777@news.cpqcorp.net> dated Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:02:38 GMT:eE >There is a (public domain, freeware, or something like that) programSI >called "xv" which runs on OpenVMS (and many other systems) that displays/G >a variety of graphics formats.  One thing it can do is take a snapshotnH >of a window.  I've used it to grab windows and save them as GIF or JPEGG >(or a variety of other formats) for inclusion in presentations.  TherenD >should still be a VAX version out on the net, or check the Freeware
 >collections.M  $ I second the recommendation of XV.    J It's actually shareware, free for personal use and $25 for everybody else.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:47:12 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>e- Subject: Re: Usable snapshot of a DEcwindow ? , Message-ID: <41704522.54FDF95B@teksavvy.com>   "Bart Z. Lederman" wrote:  > F > There is a (public domain, freeware, or something like that) programJ > called "xv" which runs on OpenVMS (and many other systems) that displaysH > a variety of graphics formats.  One thing it can do is take a snapshot > of a window.    K Thanks. I already have it, but didn't know it could do that. (I knew it can I set the root window to an image, but didn't know it was able to "grab" ane image of a window.)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:57:43 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: Re: VMS related water bound powerful mammal artwork, Message-ID: <g9CdnQ4VdccvgO3cRVn-tg@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:(H > In the theoretical scenario where I would have an imaginary friend whoG > happened to have *THE* shark in vector format (resizeable, can change C > colours etc), and such imaginary friend wanted to make that sharktG > available to the VMS community since it seems to be the de-facto logo G > to compete against the evil penguin, what would be the best format too= > distribute this so that it is usable by the VMS community ?  >a > PICT ? > DXF ?3 > EPS ?  > Freehand ? > Illustrator ?n   ALL of the above.:   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:55:23 -0500e/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>g< Subject: Re: VMS related water bound powerful mammal artwork0 Message-ID: <41709BAB.30406@applied-synergy.com>   JF Mezei wrote:F > Simon Stirley wrote: > = >>>Whales are mammals. Dolphins are mammals. Sharks are fish.t >>>h >>: >>.. most closely related to the Ray family, apparently .. >  > O > Ok, first, sorry for having made such a <6 letter word that starts with s andoL > ends in tupid> mistake. Secondly, you are right, Sharks and Rays are quite > closely related. > J > But now, back to topic: what sort of file formats does the VMS community$ > use/accept for artwork/logos etc ?  I For a vector format, consider the CDR (Corel) format as there seem to be oF a lot of tools that can use it.  (I don't know of any VMS tools which  use it, however.)   D For a bit map, I would lean toward GIF as it is lossless and can be  converted to most anything.t  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------b$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.574 ************************