1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 17 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 576       Contents:- CC /MMS_DEPENDENCIES and related difficulties ) Re: DE500 - DE602 and auto-negociate mode & Re: ERROR: unable to write header file& Re: ERROR: unable to write header file& Re: ERROR: unable to write header file Free AS1200, Wash DC area  Re: Laptop as a terminal? # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software # Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software , Simulating monochrome to test Xwindows app ?0 Re: Simulating monochrome to test Xwindows app ? Re: VMS for the blind  Re: VMS for the blind  Re: VMS for the blind  Re: VMS for the blind 3 Re: VMS related water bound powerful mammal artwork 3 Re: VMS related water bound powerful mammal artwork 3 Re: VMS related water bound powerful mammal artwork   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:16:48 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org6 Subject: CC /MMS_DEPENDENCIES and related difficulties) Message-ID: <04101620164825@antinode.org>   B       Complaint/Question 3.  How to make a useful dependency file.B       ------------------------------------------------------------  F    I've found one more reason to complain about CC /MMS_DEPENDENCIES. G Not only does the generated dependency file not include the destination F directory for the object file, it does not even use the actual name of/ the object file as the name of the object file.   .    In the following, FREDA.C includes FREDA.H.      Part 1, Simple:  5 alp $ cc freda /MMS_DEP = (file = freda1.mmsd, nosys)  alp $ type freda1.mmsd% FREDA.OBJ :     ALP$DKA0:[SMS]FREDA.C % FREDA.OBJ :     ALP$DKA0:[SMS]FREDA.H    What could go wrong?    )    Part 2, Loss of destination directory:   D alp $ cc freda /MMS_DEP = (file = freda2.mmsd, nosys) /obj = [.test] alp $ type freda2.mmsd% FREDA.OBJ :     ALP$DKA0:[SMS]FREDA.C % FREDA.OBJ :     ALP$DKA0:[SMS]FREDA.H   @ Object file goes where it's told.  Dependency file ignores this.    0    Part 3, Wrong object name in dependency file:  L alp $ cc freda /MMS_DEP = (file = fredX.mmsd, nosys) /obj = [.test]fredX.obj alp $ type fredX.mmsd % FREDA.OBJ :     ALP$DKA0:[SMS]FREDA.C % FREDA.OBJ :     ALP$DKA0:[SMS]FREDA.H   E Object file goes where it's told.  Dependency file ignores everything % except the name of the _source_ file.       Is this a bug or not?  H    Is anyone using this feature in any but the most trivial situations?  (Is anyone using it at all?)  F    Is there some easy way I'm not seeing to get it to do what I'd like (that is, something useful)?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:45:41 GMT A From: "Colin Butcher" <colin_DOT.butcher_AT@xdelta_DOT.co_DOT.uk> 2 Subject: Re: DE500 - DE602 and auto-negociate mode; Message-ID: <VLfcd.9843$xb.5238@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk>   K Don't use auto-negotiate. Set the speed explicitly at each end of the link.   H If you really are forced to use auto-negotiate, then run at least V7.3-1 with the LAN updates.    --     Hope this helps, Colin. ) colin DOT butcher AT xdelta DOT co DOT uk L Systems Archaeologist - Investigation & troubleshooting of older systems and	 networks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:18:17 +1000 # From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> / Subject: Re: ERROR: unable to write header file / Message-ID: <4171ac3b$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Hi  I All those issues are OK, I have been using the machine in production for  I about a week and can add, delete etc without any problems.  I have about  M 16Gb on the disk at the moment and have had no problems adding files.  Error   count is zero.  Still confused!     ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:41715EE2.AC6EA923@teksavvy.com... > Gremlin wrote: >>, >> VMS 7.2-2, DS10L, 20Gb Seagate IDE drive,= >> "Error writing 2 blocks, buffer = FFFFFFFF.808B1E00, VBN 1 ; >>  Status code 00000054, 00000000 (Section = Header block) = >> Error writing 32 blocks, buffer = FFFFFFFF.809A0000, VBN 1 8 >> Status code 00000054, 00000000 (Section = Error logs) >>I >> So, is the first message indicating that VMS is bitching about a disk  	 >> bigger  >> than 2Gb? > K > I doubt that a DS10 with VMS 7.2-2 would have problems with a 2 gig disk.  > A > Seems to me more of a problem with the drive or the way it was   > initialized. > = > If you do SHOW DEV D/FULL does it show an error count > 0 ?  > J > Can you get to the $ sign ? If you try $PURGE device:[000000...]*.*/log  > what > does it say ?  > J > If the physical device is healthy, it could be something in the way the  > drive = > was initialized, with an indexf.sys perhaps not big enough.  > B > SHOW DEV disk:/FULL tells you the maximum number of files on it.L > $DIR dev:[000000...]*.*;*/grand  will tell you how many files are on your 	 > drive.     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 19:48:23 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> / Subject: Re: ERROR: unable to write header file , Message-ID: <4171B333.6A8AF293@teksavvy.com>   Gremlin wrote:J > All those issues are OK, I have been using the machine in production forJ > about a week and can add, delete etc without any problems.  I have aboutN > 16Gb on the disk at the moment and have had no problems adding files.  Error! > count is zero.  Still confused!   / Does ANA/DISK/REPAIR device: yield any errors ?   P If you do show dev/full device: does it show a significant "Free blocks" count ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:07:13 +1000 # From: "Gremlin" <not-here@all.mate> / Subject: Re: ERROR: unable to write header file / Message-ID: <4171eff0$1@duster.adelaide.on.net>    Hi  J Heaps of free space and, apart from quota.sys not being there (don't want $ quotas), no errors or comments......  ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:4171B333.6A8AF293@teksavvy.com... > Gremlin wrote:K >> All those issues are OK, I have been using the machine in production for K >> about a week and can add, delete etc without any problems.  I have about I >> 16Gb on the disk at the moment and have had no problems adding files.   >> Error" >> count is zero.  Still confused! > 1 > Does ANA/DISK/REPAIR device: yield any errors ?  > K > If you do show dev/full device: does it show a significant "Free blocks"  
 > count ?    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2004 17:20:04 -0700+ From: shoppa@trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa) " Subject: Free AS1200, Wash DC area= Message-ID: <bec993c8.0410161620.32a01ae9@posting.google.com>   A My Alphaserver 1200 (2 x 533MHz 4MB cache CPU's, 512M memory) has A developed a flaky CPU, dying with CPUSANITY bugchecks at frequent C intervals.  I'd prefer to give it away to a VMS hobbyist/enthusiast K who can pick it up (located a few dozen feet inside I-495 around Washington K DC) and give it the good home and the TLC it needs.  I will probably insist J the recipient haul away some associated stuff (attached CRT, disk drives,  tape drives, etc.) as well.   H First come, first served, as usual.  Prime pickup times are weekends andG weeknights, heavy emphasis on "first come" because I will not have many G free weekends or weeknights for a while after tomorrow (Sunday 17-Oct).   C Send me an E-mail if you're interested and we'll arrange a time for  you to take it away.   Tim. (shoppa@trailing-edge.com)    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2004 15:33:32 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)" Subject: Re: Laptop as a terminal?= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410161433.6f5db59d@posting.google.com>   a Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote in message news:<292qm0to798fdh0t9ep337ijt27ir14edg@4ax.com>... 3 > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:34:10 +0200, Mike Rechtman ) > <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com> wrote:  > H > >Once OpenVMS is up (with TCP/IP and DECwindows support) you can login > >over  > >the serial line, and do a  C > >  $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE=<your-Linux-address>  > >  $ CREATE TERMINAL/DETACH = > >which should/might display a DECterm on your Linux screen.  > 8 > This will fire up a full CDE desktop on your Linux box > * > $ mcr cde$system_defaults:[bin]dtsession    ? Better choice nowadays: Use an iPAQ with wireless capabilities   and a X emulator ! :-)   Regard FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:08:22 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>, Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software1 Message-ID: <qsdcd.1004$aJ1.266@news.cpqcorp.net>    Bob Koehler wrote:H >    I've never really understood why DEC decided to use counted stringsI >    instead of descriptors in PASCAL, other than I think that's what the F >    reference model uses.  I think all PASCAL requirements could haveE >    been met if strings were passed by descriptor, and it would have F >    made the interface to VMS routines as simple as it is in Fortran. >  >     E What "reference model"?  Classic Pascal doesn't have variable length  8 strings.  They are only fixed length, just like Fortran.  6 Pascal's VARYING OF CHAR is a direct ripoff from PL/I.  A Pascal knows how to automatically build descriptors when calling  F routines that require them.  Calling system routines from Pascal *IS* I just as easy as calling them from Fortran, actually easier.   We do pass  7 strings by descriptor.  What cases are you thinking of?   E Except in some interesting cases with filling in itemlists to have a  C system service write back into a VARYING OF CHAR, you never, ever,  / realize that we have a count word at the front.        --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:14:51 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>, Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software1 Message-ID: <vydcd.1005$iI1.672@news.cpqcorp.net>    Dave Weatherall wrote:  F > I had the same thought on the few occasions I have had to interface F > Fortran with Pascal. The resulting Pascal prototypes look awful (or G > awe-fully complex)  but they do work.  I always had the feeling that  H > the counted string was a way of dealing with allocated/reserved length > v current length.  >   F Not to be mean, but you must not be writing them correctly.  They are  rather easy to do.  > procedure pass_string_to_fortran ( p : [class_s] packed array # [l..u:integer] of char ); external;   B procedure accept_string_from_fortran ( p : [class_s] packed array  [l..u:integer] of char );     begin    writeln(p);)    pass_string_to_fortran('hello world'); 6    pass_string_to_fortran(p);  ! Pass along the string    end;   H The "conformant array syntax" is how you tell Pascal that the parameter C will be some length PACKED ARRAY OF CHAR (ie, string type) but the  G length isn't known until runtime.  The '[CLASS_S]' attribute tells the  D compiler what descriptor to use (by default, we would want to use a H CLASS_A or CLASS_NCA to handle the cases where the lower bound wouldn't  be 1).   --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:22:01 GMT & From: John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com>, Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software1 Message-ID: <dFdcd.1006$iI1.787@news.cpqcorp.net>    sol gongola wrote:  J > VMS fortran likes to pass the string address and length in a descripter.H > Most other languages will pass a lngth value as a "hidden" parameters G > either right after the string address or grouped together at the end   > of the list of parameters.   >   > I'm not sure I'd go with "most", perhaps "some".  Pascal uses E descriptors for passing variable sized arrays, strings, etc. between  	 routines.      --   John Reagan / HP Pascal/{A|I}MACRO for OpenVMS Project Leader  Hewlett-Packard Company    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:31:08 +0200   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>, Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software, Message-ID: <ckrpde$gqs$1@news.cybercity.dk>   Clip ...  F One of my colleagues, while analysing some code once wrote this to his2 supervisor. (names changed to protect the guilty).    F "The XYZ_server code is a mess. Global variables abound and there is aF confusing jumble of static global variable declarations that makes theB current symbol table module-dependent and extremely hard to trace.  L One representative example can be found in the UpdateSomething() function inJ TheUpdateModule.sc. The module defines a static S_SOMETHING structure, andI the function includes a call to getNextSomething() function, which stores C its output in a global external structure with the same identifier. L Naturally, the latter structure is invisible in entire module's scope. Hence; a pointer to it, named P_SOMETHING, has to be passed to the J UpdateSomething() function. Within the UpdateSomething() function, data isI transferred from the external S_SOMETHING to the static S_SOMETHING using 	 memcpy().   G Consequently, invoking the function UpdateSomething() with any argument F different from S_SOMETHING  breaks the code. Same naturally applies to5 transferring of that function to a different module."     K Needless to say, his supervisor could not have cared less, and the code was L patched and made worse, rather than rewriting it to be somewhat more robust.   Idiot programmers led by PHBs.  	 Dr. Dweeb    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2004 19:24:29 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software+ Message-ID: <2tdardF1v46k6U1@uni-berlin.de>   1 In article <dFdcd.1006$iI1.787@news.cpqcorp.net>, ) 	John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  > sol gongola wrote: > K >> VMS fortran likes to pass the string address and length in a descripter. I >> Most other languages will pass a lngth value as a "hidden" parameters  H >> either right after the string address or grouped together at the end  >> of the list of parameters.  >>   > @ > I'm not sure I'd go with "most", perhaps "some".  Pascal uses G > descriptors for passing variable sized arrays, strings, etc. between   > routines.   C Hmmmm....  I remember "pass-by-value" and "pass-by-reference" but I B sure don't remember "pass-by-descriptor" in any Pascal text I ever read.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2004 19:31:42 GMT( From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon), Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software+ Message-ID: <2tdb8uF1v46k6U2@uni-berlin.de>   3 In article <SV1Fvd2odyAi@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 0 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:X > In article <2ta9beF1sveq5U3@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:. >> In article <416EF323.A59D59E3@adldata.com>,) >> 	sol gongola <sol@adldata.com> writes:  >>> JF Mezei wrote:  >>>>   >>>> Tom Wade wrote:K >>>> > Yes, you can compensate for this with good programming practice, but Q >>>> > interfaces using string descriptors were always a much safer way to do it.  >>>>  1 >>>> Does any language use descriptors natively ?  >>>  >>> VMS fortran  >>  : >> VMS Fortran is not a language, it is an implementation. > = > In the sense that the question is asked it is talking about " > language implementations on VMS.  D No, the question is quite clear.  "Does any language use descriptors
 natively ?"      > D > Use of descriptors is by its very nature an implementation detail.F > Only in C is there a part of the language dictating string structure; > implementation, and unfortunately in an unsafe direction.  > ? > And C, of course, means the current international C standard, ! > not the K&R historic curiosity.   C Oh, well that's where we differ.  C is the language created by K&R. E Anything beyond that should have been called "D" or "E" or something. C At least Stroustrop had the good sense to change the name enough to  avoid confusion.  C Of course, if your right and the "international C standard" defined A strings as "null terminated character arrays" even after everyone A already knew the problems with this, then at least we know who to  blame.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2004 15:28:31 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) , Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software3 Message-ID: <7nAq+iBmzYp1@eisner.encompasserve.org>   V In article <2tcmnaF1tsscfU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:5 > In article <rqbG5FVHC1UK@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 2 > 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Y >> In article <2ta684F1snbanU1@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: 7 >>> In article <+DHyy5CYV6xG@eisner.encompasserve.org>, 4 >>> 	Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:[ >>>> In article <2t8h0sF1tmvr6U2@uni-berlin.de>, bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:  >>>>  E >>>>> Since I have been at this University I have watched the starter E >>>>> language go from Pascal to Ada to Java with later courses being D >>>>> done using Modula, C, C++.  The students also get a smatteringE >>>>> of COBOL.  You know what.  The beginners make the same mistakes > >>>>> using Java that ehy made using Ada and Pascal before it. >>>>  E >>>> Except that in higher level languages those errors are caught at ' >>>> compile-time rather than run-time.  >>> H >>> Well, I didn't say what those errors were. but as you brought it up.H >>> I have yet to see a compiler that can determine at compile time thatI >>> a bad "for" loop or an index going negative is going cause an out-of- J >>> bounds array reference.  Yes, that is one of the most common mistakes. >>  B >> It may be a common mistake in C, but not in Ada where one says: >>  5 >>     for EACH_CHAR in reverse CHAR_ARRAY'range loop - >>         if CHAR_ARRAY ( EACH_CHAR ) /= ' ' C >>             return CHAR_ARRAY ( CHAR_ARRAY'first .. EACH_CHAR );  >>         end IF; >>     end loop; >>     return CHAR_ARRAY;  > B > Where did I say they were looking for a character in a characterB > array?  There are numerous other cases where one uses a for loop > to wander through an array.   B And where did I say that was the only possible example or that theA 'range and 'first attributes only worked for character arrays ? A ) similar for loop works with other arrays.   & > Getting it wrong is a common student
 > mistake.  / For students unfortunate enough to be taught C.   : > It's a logic error and as such because things like startE > -point and end-point are determined at runtime there is no way that & > the compiler can possibly know them.  C But a properly constructed program will specify the actual starting @ and ending indices.  Some languages help with that; some do not.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:18:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software, Message-ID: <41719023.FF553AFF@teksavvy.com>   Bill Gunshannon wrote:E > Of course, if your right and the "international C standard" defined C > strings as "null terminated character arrays" even after everyone C > already knew the problems with this, then at least we know who to  > blame.   OK, lets be blunt.  H If the VMS engineers were windows weenies, then even VMS, despite use of6 descriptors would have problems with buffer overflows.  G Just because you pass the maximum length of your buffer in a descriptor N doesn't garantee that some programming error in the subroutine won't result inK writing beyond that limit before some loop realises it is past the end. (or H that the subroutine will actually honour that limit in the first place).  N I feel secure with VMS not because of descriptors, but because I know that theK VMS engineers  are mature, seasoned and disciplined and that when they plan J some feature, security is always important. And I know that if they designH some routine that writes back into a user buffer, they will require some/ maximum length be specified and will honour it.   L However, take a look at the TCPIP Services stack. It is inherited from Unix,L and there is only so much that the engineers that are left in that group can. do to bring this software up to VMS standards.  I Yes, C is full of potholes. But a disciplined programmer will know how to ( avoid them and thus generate solid code.    I The new batch of programmers/geeks is really different. I remember having L arguments about PSION's last product (the series 5) where someone claimed itI was impossible to run C on it because the chip had been designed only for K object oriented instructions which C couldn't use :-) Then, there was a rep K from that company whose excuse for not releasing documenmtation on the file N formats for that OS (now Symbian) was "well, it uses a stream store technology  and there are no file formats".   E These guys are brought up without ever delving into lower lanagage or E understanding the basic principles of opcodes and machine language on N machines, and only see high level interfaces. (not realising that someone mustN have documented those proprietary file formats in order to write those "streamC store" routines he was using which sheltered him from lower levels.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:34:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> , Subject: Re: Latest on Windoze Navy software, Message-ID: <417193DC.4235FCF8@teksavvy.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:1 > For students unfortunate enough to be taught C.   H I disagree. There were 2 computer science classes where I really learnedI stuff: IBM 370 assembler and CPU architecture (basics of and/or/nor etc). H Combined, these 2 courses allowed me to understand how machines worked.   [ C happens to be one of the standard languages closest to assembler that is CPU independant.   N But if they are taught CS with languages which shelter the programmer from theJ OS/machine completely, then programmers never quite learn how it all works@ below the source code and then they write bloated insecure code.  D Consider the number of windows weenies who don't even understand theN difference between object and executable or what a linker does (since to them,; they just press a "build application" button on their GUI.)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:14:00 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Simulating monochrome to test Xwindows app ? , Message-ID: <41719D18.A03DE55B@teksavvy.com>  % I have VAXstation 3100 with SPX card.   N Is there a magic command that can dynamically change it into monochrome mode ?  N Or is the only way to shut down the machine, open it, change dip switch on SPX card and reboot ?   G I'd like to be able to test the behaviour of some X app in a monochrome $ environment to ensure that it works.    J Also, since the SPX card only supports 8 bit colours, how come the display information tells me:   ( number of supported pixmap formats:    4 supported pixmap formats: .     depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32.     depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32.     depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 320     depth 24, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32  J How come 24 but pixmaps are supported ? Is this specific of the SPX card ?  H When writing software now, shoudl one still be concerned about providingJ various versions of images with different colour depths, or van one assumeF that 24 bits is now supported by default on both VMS and also varous XK terminals with the OS/hardware automatically converting colours to whatever  the harware can support ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:46:23 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 9 Subject: Re: Simulating monochrome to test Xwindows app ? 2 Message-ID: <4171CEEF.7080609@applied-synergy.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   ' > I have VAXstation 3100 with SPX card.  > P > Is there a magic command that can dynamically change it into monochrome mode ?  / Not really.  You can change the definitions in  9 DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM and restart DECwindows with   # 	@SYS$MANAGER:DECW$STARTUP RESTART.   H If you turn off color, the SPX will generate a monochrome signal on the ' green lead.  (All green is monochrome.)     E Do you want black/white?  Or do you want greyscale?  You have to set  ! DECW$BITONAL for black and white.   E I don't know whether or not you can set the SPX to generate the same  F signal on all lines, giving you a true black and white (or greyscale)  display on a color monitor.   G If you do this much, you can define symbols which can be tested inside  * the server setup to switch configurations.    P > Or is the only way to shut down the machine, open it, change dip switch on SPX > card and reboot ?   D The switch on the SPX card affects scan rate/resolution, not colors.    I > I'd like to be able to test the behaviour of some X app in a monochrome & > environment to ensure that it works. >  > L > Also, since the SPX card only supports 8 bit colours, how come the display > information tells me:  > * > number of supported pixmap formats:    4 > supported pixmap formats: 0 >     depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 320 >     depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 320 >     depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 322 >     depth 24, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32 > L > How come 24 but pixmaps are supported ? Is this specific of the SPX card ?  B These are the supported pixmaps, i.e., what pixels formats can be  understood.   C You need to look at the visuals to see how colors can be displayed.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2004 15:33:11 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: VMS for the blind3 Message-ID: <bsNcLoDRZQpp@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <Xns95848871A3B8Crlgoodmannyc@216.196.97.142>, Roy Goodman <rlgoodman@acnospam.org> writes:* > "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com> wrote in& > news:2td3arF1v9hu2U1@uni-berlin.de:  >  >> Hi,E >> I've recently setup an account on a public access VMS system.  I'm H >> wondering how accessible VMS would be for the blind computer user, orD >> if anyone has successfully used it with a screen reading package.C >> In future, I may install openVMS if I can get something to work. 
 >> Thanks, >> Zachary Kline   >>   >>   >>   > ? > Do they (whoever "they" are) still sell DECtalk and DECvoice?   H Yes, where "they" is eBay vendors.  Buy a DECtalk box on the used market at a low price.   C The company that bought the rights to the DECtalk algorithm started ; selling a software implementation on Alpha, but not on VMS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:37:21 +0100 > From: "Alex Daniels" <Alex(nospamthanks)Daniels@themail.co.uk> Subject: Re: VMS for the blind6 Message-ID: <41718683$0$22756$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  0 "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com> wrote in message% news:2td58lF1t84kmU1@uni-berlin.de...  > 9 > "Roy Goodman" <rlgoodman@acnospam.org> wrote in message 5 > news:Xns95848871A3B8Crlgoodmannyc@216.196.97.142... , > > "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com> wrote in' > > news:2td3arF1v9hu2U1@uni-berlin.de:  > >  > >> Hi,G > >> I've recently setup an account on a public access VMS system.  I'm J > >> wondering how accessible VMS would be for the blind computer user, orF > >> if anyone has successfully used it with a screen reading package.E > >> In future, I may install openVMS if I can get something to work.  > >> Thanks, > >> Zachary Kline > >>A > > Do they (whoever "they" are) still sell DECtalk and DECvoice?  > >  > > Roy ( > > (remove "nospa" from Email to reply)K > I have no idea.  I got myself a Dectalk Express back in about 1995 or 96.  I L > have no idea whether it is supported.  I guess I should know that, becauseF > it has recently stopped working.  If it wouldn't violate any kind ofG > license, I'm tempted to take the thing apart and look at the internal 
 > speaker. >    DECtalk is now owned by fonix.  2 http://www.fonix.com/page.cfm?name=espeech_dectalk  K There is also some DECtalk related software available is on the Freeware CD   6 http://h71000.www7.hp.com/freeware/freeware50/dectalk/   Alex   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2004 15:29:30 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) Subject: Re: VMS for the blind= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410161429.41e00d35@posting.google.com>   X "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<2td58lF1t84kmU1@uni-berlin.de>...: > "Roy Goodman" <rlgoodman@acnospam.org> wrote in message 5 > news:Xns95848871A3B8Crlgoodmannyc@216.196.97.142... , > > "Zachary" <Z_kline@hotmail.com> wrote in' > > news:2td3arF1v9hu2U1@uni-berlin.de:  > >  > >> Hi,G > >> I've recently setup an account on a public access VMS system.  I'm J > >> wondering how accessible VMS would be for the blind computer user, orF > >> if anyone has successfully used it with a screen reading package.E > >> In future, I may install openVMS if I can get something to work.  > >> Thanks, > >> Zachary Kline > >> > >> > >> > > A > > Do they (whoever "they" are) still sell DECtalk and DECvoice?  > >  > > Roy ( > > (remove "nospa" from Email to reply)O > I have no idea.  I got myself a Dectalk Express back in about 1995 or 96.  I  M > have no idea whether it is supported.  I guess I should know that, because  G > it has recently stopped working.  If it wouldn't violate any kind of  H > license, I'm tempted to take the thing apart and look at the internal 
 > speaker.  F Does it read the Telnet/LAT/CTERM screen ? So put a software like this1 under Windows or Linux and open the VT emulation.    Regards    FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 17:05:22 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: VMS for the blind' Message-ID: <4171B742.3000500@MMaz.com>    Zachary wrote:   >Hi,N >I've recently setup an account on a public access VMS system.  I'm wondering K >how accessible VMS would be for the blind computer user, or if anyone has  4 >successfully used it with a screen reading package.A >In future, I may install openVMS if I can get something to work.  >Thanks, >Zachary Kline   >  >  >  >    > F JAWS is a windows based system that does a fine job of reading screen   contents from telnet sessions...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2004 15:27:23 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)< Subject: Re: VMS related water bound powerful mammal artwork= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410161427.6c17456d@posting.google.com>   a JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message news:<416F4CA1.BBFE3037@teksavvy.com>... H > In the theoretical scenario where I would have an imaginary friend whoO > happened to have *THE* shark in vector format (resizeable, can change colours P > etc), and such imaginary friend wanted to make that shark available to the VMSN > community since it seems to be the de-facto logo to compete against the evilP > penguin, what would be the best format to distribute this so that it is usable > by the VMS community ? > 	 > PICT ?   > DXF ?  > EPS ?  > Freehand ? > Illustrator ?   J As HP dont accept our suggestions to put the Shark as official symbol/logoJ of OpenVMS products I think OpenVMS.org should  adopt the Shark and put itF in their homepage.  May be in the future we will receive those rubber M Sharks inside the OVMS boxes ! And the children can have bath with them ! :-)   G There is a great fauna (Linux Tux,  MS Bugs... why not OpenVMS Sharks)!W   ;-)a       Regardsp   FC   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2004 15:21:15 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)< Subject: Re: VMS related water bound powerful mammal artwork= Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410161421.6fe214d4@posting.google.com>   c simon@stirley.me.uk (Simon Stirley) wrote in message news:<416f9cc5.1464666579@news.demon.co.uk>...w5 > On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:57:36 +0200, Alex van Denzel   > <vandenzel@hotmail.com> wrote: >  > >JF Mezei wrote: > >l$ > >> blablabla *THE* shark blablabla > >h= > >Whales are mammals. Dolphins are mammals. Sharks are fish.o > >l > : > .. most closely related to the Ray family, apparently ..  ) Yes ! Ray ..... there is the Sun Ray ;-) m   []'s   Fabio C.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 04:14:16 GMTa6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>< Subject: Re: VMS related water bound powerful mammal artwork> Message-ID: <skmcd.26076$zA3.4060329@twister.southeast.rr.com>  I I don't have any vector based shark images but I did make an HP Shark for-K Wiz's site and OpenVMS.org Shark for the heck of it.  I started with a .bmp  file.l  3 http://wiz.openvms.org/images/vms_shark_ovmsorg.pnge. http://wiz.openvms.org/images/vms_shark_hp.png  L I'll work with them next week and see if I can create or re-create the SharkD images vector based.  If I can't d it I'll contact my graphics guru.   Keni   OpenVMS.org.% _____________________________________a" Kenneth R. Farmer <>< 336-736-7376% SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com       : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:416F4CA1.BBFE3037@teksavvy.com...H > In the theoretical scenario where I would have an imaginary friend whoG > happened to have *THE* shark in vector format (resizeable, can change  colours[L > etc), and such imaginary friend wanted to make that shark available to the VMS I > community since it seems to be the de-facto logo to compete against thee evilI > penguin, what would be the best format to distribute this so that it ise usable > by the VMS community ? >  > PICT ? > DXF ?$ > EPS ?] > Freehand ? > Illustrator ?K   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.576 ************************