1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 21 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 584       Contents:0 Re: 2nd try... GhostScript V0811 on Freware V6.00 Re: 2nd try... GhostScript V0811 on Freware V6.0  Re: BA353 configuration question  Re: BA353 configuration question  Re: BA353 configuration question% Re: Color Laser printers with OpenVMS % Re: Color Laser printers with OpenVMS  Re: ECU disk Re: ECU disk* Re: HP announces new educational programme* Re: HP announces new educational programme* Re: HP announces new educational programme HSG80 !NEWCONxx  Re: HSG80 !NEWCONxx  Re: J F on why USA is a regime Re: J F on why USA is a regime Re: J F on why USA is a regime Re: JAR files must be stream-lf  Re: JAR files must be stream-lf  Re: JAR files must be stream-lf  Motif security alert (XPM) Re: Question about Mini-Merge . Re: Retain Trust 'warranty' period almost over) Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical not defined ) Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical not defined ; Re: VTfm - OpenVMS file manager for VT-compatible terminals  What happened with SEVMS?  Re: What happened with SEVMS?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:30:27 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>9 Subject: Re: 2nd try... GhostScript V0811 on Freware V6.0 B Message-ID: <4176bcd3$0$22616$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > It is incomplete AFAICT. > M > There is no .SRC and the .OBJ .DEV files are missing which make GhostScript # > useless for converting PS to PDF.  > B > Does anyone here have a working build they are willing to share? >     ' http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/pcsi_kits/   ? http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#GhostScript   " http://decwarch.free.fr/pspdf.html   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:51:57 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG9 Subject: Re: 2nd try... GhostScript V0811 on Freware V6.0 0 Message-ID: <00A39A45.3D2D16E4@SendSpamHere.ORG>  u In article <4176bcd3$0$22616$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>, Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> writes: ! >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >> It is incomplete AFAICT.  >>  N >> There is no .SRC and the .OBJ .DEV files are missing which make GhostScript$ >> useless for converting PS to PDF. >>  C >> Does anyone here have a working build they are willing to share?  >>   >  > ( >http://mvb.saic.com/freeware/pcsi_kits/ > @ >http://nchrem.tnw.tudelft.nl/openvms/software2.html#GhostScript > # >http://decwarch.free.fr/pspdf.html  >  >Cheers! >  >Keith Cayemberg  C Thanks Keith.  I'm downloading all of the PCSI_KITS.  I will report B back here which work and/or do not.  The V0811 I believe is on theD Freeware V6.0 and does not support the -sDEVICE=pdfwrite.  The V0601C I have presently works on V7.1-2 but fails miserably on V7.2-1 and   up.    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:08:21 +0100 - From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> ) Subject: Re: BA353 configuration question 8 Message-ID: <e6adn0dme5lavv5hm0acgsv5msr4llk8n5@4ax.com>  4 On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:17:14 -0500, David J Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:   >Ooohhh... Careful there!  > + >MSCP serving is NOT turned on by default.    J I admit it's a *very* long time since I started a cluster from scratch ;-)  C While the thread was drifting off into discussions of suitable SCSI K controllers and disk hardware, I thought it worth pointing out that sharing I disk resources is just about the most fundamental job of any cluster, and & only a network interconnect is needed.   --  + I'm writing an unauthorized autobiography.     Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:39:29 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> ) Subject: Re: BA353 configuration question 2 Message-ID: <4176DB11.6050902@applied-synergy.com>   Tom Linden wrote: 8 > On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:48:00 -0500, David J Dachtera  $ > <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote: >  >> James Nykiel wrote: >> >>>  >>> Greetings: >>> B >>> I would eventually like to build a cluster consisting of two   >>> AlphaStationK >>> nodes with Ethernet Interconnects, how can the BA353 be integrated into G >>> this configuration so that its resources (drives) are available the  >>> cluster? >>> ? >>> Is the SCSI cabling as simple as running a SCSI cable from   >>> AlphaStation  #1; >>> to the BA353 and from the the BA353 to AlphaStation #2?  >> >>H >> Well, I S'POSE you could try it, but you'd have to watch out for SCSI >> id.'s and such. >>G >> SCSI cluster using a BA353... Now that's a twist I'd not considered!  >  > J > Doesn't it require differential scsi controllers the way he is proposing > to configure it?  2 SCSI clustering doesn't require differential SCSI.  I It does require controllers that don't get confused by multiple hosts on  & the bus or resets coming from the bus.  B Most of the DEC controllers that meet these criteria happen to be 
 differential.   I I believe the SYM810 controller (I don't remember DEC's number for this)  H is also qualified for SCSI clustering, and that is narrow, single ended.  I In cany case, there are single ended to differential converters that you  7 can use to convert the bus to whatever format you want.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  B Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com    Fax: 817-237-3074   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:46:39 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)) Subject: Re: BA353 configuration question 0 Message-ID: <newscache$ryjw5i$mjz$1@news.sil.at>  j In article <pan.2004.10.19.22.45.00.16833@access4less.net>, James Nykiel <jnykiel@access4less.net> writes:J >I would eventually like to build a cluster consisting of two AlphaStationH >nodes with Ethernet Interconnects, how can the BA353 be integrated intoD >this configuration so that its resources (drives) are available the	 >cluster?  > K >Is the SCSI cabling as simple as running a SCSI cable from AlphaStation #1 8 >to the BA353 and from the the BA353 to AlphaStation #2?  
 Indeed it is. H The main problem with SCSI clusters is the multihost support of the usedJ SCSI controllers. If your SCSI controllers do support it (and I heard thatH the AlphaStation 200 I have do support it but I so far haven't tried andL verified it) then it is so easy. If not, you have to change SCSI controllers( or use an NI cluster (as most of us do).  F Note however that the SCSI bus must be terminated on both ends and notE somewhere in the middle. A BA353 has (IIRC) automatic terminators and B can therefore be used "in the middle" and "on the end" of the bus.  M Note also, that the BA353 is Single Ended and not (High Voltage) Differential 8 and so the SCSI bus length is very limited (maybe 2-3m).  L I don't really understand your "so that its resources (drives) are availableJ the cluster". Is there more in your cluster or are the 2 AlphaStations theK only cluster members ? If you have another members in the cluster then they K can only be satellites - no 3 masters on the SCSI bus - and this requires - G just like with NI clusters - the use of MSCP serving (see SYSGEN Params K MSCP_LOAD and MSCP_SERVE_ALL) on the 2 AlphaStations (the "[boot]servers").   I And finally, the LAN/ethernet connection is required for an SCSI cluster. J SCSI can only be used for accessing the cluster resources (disks), but not$ for the cluster communication (SCS).   HIH    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:55:49 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER). Subject: Re: Color Laser printers with OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <newscache$1ekw5i$mjz$1@news.sil.at>  S In article <BD9C35E0.6B70%notme@vsm.com.au>, Jeremy Begg <notme@vsm.com.au> writes: J >I have an HP LaserJet 5M which has given extremely good service over manyG >years, but is showing signs of old age.  The main problem is pages get - >jammed when a large job is printing 2-sided.   G The usual problem is (as I heard but never confirmed) the rubber of the H transport rolls which gets to dry/hard. And most of this material can beO bought from HP (through partners). Problem is only part numbers (and partners).   L >So I'm looking around for a replacement laser printer and would like to getJ >a color printer which does double sided printing.  It has to work with myJ >OpenVMS systems (using both Multinet stream/telnet symbiont and DCPS$SMB)D >and with MacOS X.  A search has uncovered four possible candidates:   Can't help with this one.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:20:44 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> . Subject: Re: Color Laser printers with OpenVMS, Message-ID: <417746F9.2B9800E2@teksavvy.com>   sms@antinode.org wrote: H >    From here it's hard to say, but if the problem is bad rubber parts,J > and if simple cleaning does not help, I've found that a little sandpaper > can work wonders.   M A DEC service guy once told me to just wash the rollers with a bit of alchool M to remove any grease they pickup over time. Seems to have worked fine for me. L Although I guess using dishwahing soap and water would be better in the longN term over rubber, that tends to require disassembly to get the rollers totallyG out , whereas a qtip with a bit of achoool can do wonders to teh roller  without needing disassembly.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:48:28 -0400 , From: "warren sander" <warren.sander@hp.com> Subject: Re: ECU disk , Message-ID: <4176b468$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>  C ftp://xfer.americas.digital.com/to_customer/VMS_UNIX_V1_11A_ECU.zip   " it will be out there for 48 hours.   -warren   : "Alex van Denzel" <vandenzel@hotmail.com> wrote in message1 news:41755f9e$0$76533$b83b6cc0@news.wanadoo.nl...  > Keith A. Lewis wrote:  > ; > > "Rob H" <robert.heyes@btinternet.com> writes in article L <cl1i0j$n74$2@hercules.btinternet.com> dated Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:01:39 +0000 (UTC): > > G > >>Where can I obtain an EISA (ECU) disk for an Alpha Server 1000? Can  anyone  > >>send me a link or the files? > > L > > Me too!  Except I need one for an Alphastation 500/400, specifically the > > audio device file. > # > ECU for AlphaServer 2100? Anyone?  >  > -- > Alex.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:29:22 +0200 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com>  Subject: Re: ECU disk 7 Message-ID: <4176e61b$0$97523$1b2cd167@news.wanadoo.nl>    warren sander wrote:  E > ftp://xfer.americas.digital.com/to_customer/VMS_UNIX_V1_11A_ECU.zip  > $ > it will be out there for 48 hours.   Thanks   -- Alex.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:28:55 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 3 Subject: Re: HP announces new educational programme 0 Message-ID: <X%ydd.1263$Ow7.28@news.cpqcorp.net>  9 Re: "including its clustering software, HP Serviceguard."    John Smith wrote: : > Here's the official text of the HP program announcement:; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/041019a.html   I Thanks for the pointer, John. The press release is very clearly covering  I only HP-UX 11i, and actually says "HP-UX 11i clustering software, called  G HP Serviceguard." So the meaning got changed in the translation by the  I author of the news.com piece. They may not know about the other clusters  0 HP offers, for Tru64, NonStop, VMS, and Windows.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:35:40 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>3 Subject: Re: HP announces new educational programme + Message-ID: <4176CC1B.EFE818AD@comcast.net>    Keith Parris wrote:  > ; > Re: "including its clustering software, HP Serviceguard."  >  > John Smith wrote: < > > Here's the official text of the HP program announcement:= > > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/041019a.html  > J > Thanks for the pointer, John. The press release is very clearly coveringJ > only HP-UX 11i, and actually says "HP-UX 11i clustering software, calledH > HP Serviceguard." So the meaning got changed in the translation by theJ > author of the news.com piece. They may not know about the other clusters2 > HP offers, for Tru64, NonStop, VMS, and Windows.  E ...which, IMO, makes it incumbent upon HP to make them aware of such.   G Failing that (not an unreasonable expectation), I'd call upon the group @ at large to correspond with said author and pass along the info.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:36:00 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: HP announces new educational programme , Message-ID: <4176DA29.7BD569DB@teksavvy.com>   Keith Parris wrote: = > > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2004/041019a.html  > J > Thanks for the pointer, John. The press release is very clearly coveringJ > only HP-UX 11i, and actually says "HP-UX 11i clustering software, calledH > HP Serviceguard." So the meaning got changed in the translation by theJ > author of the news.com piece. They may not know about the other clusters2 > HP offers, for Tru64, NonStop, VMS, and Windows.  M And that is exactly how HP worded its press release, to ensure that the press ; continues to "not know about the other clusters HP offers".   M Perhaps VMS is in fact dead, and the comp.os.vms community has been kidnapped J and put in a deep state of hypnosis in a large chamber where our energy isI harvested in exchange for us living in a dream where VMS is not dead yet. N They've put in a few AI personnas that ensure we comply with the dream and notL wake up, and also didn't give VMS its original success since that would haveM made it too obvious it was a dream. Perhaps Andrew is the "chosen one" who is K fighting very hard to save our souls and battling those artificial Hoffman, M Kleinsorge and Brown personas. And then there is the Ceculski AI program that H survived the system rewrite (back from a time when they made VMS look soK perfect that the victims didn't believe it) and continues to stand out with N such optimism :-) (Of course, what HP and Intel won't admit is that this whole' simulation actually does run on VMS :-)   K Meanwhile, Linux is getting level 4 security to be used in trusted military H applications that are currently on Trusted Solaris. Does VMS even have a- version with that level of security anymore ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:51:46 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) Subject: HSG80 !NEWCONxx1 Message-ID: <04102014514601@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   ? I have a pair of HSG80 storage controllers that were configured 4 to allow all units to allow default Access as ALL.    F ======================================================================   HSG80> SHOW D1E     LUN                                      Uses             Used by N ------------------------------------------------------------------------------  /   D1                                         S0 <         LUN ID:      6000-1FE1-0005-5EB0-0009-9452-1455-002A ..         Access:                  ALL  ..  F ======================================================================  . Subsequently the FABRIC connections were never0 named and left as default connections (!NEW...):  F ======================================================================   HSG80> SHOW CONNECTION   SHOW CONNECTION N Connection                                                                UnitO    Name      Operating system    Controller  Port    Address    Status   Offset   O !NEWCON08          VMS              OTHER      1      011100   OL other       0 M            HOST_ID=2000-0000-C921-DF43         ADAPTER_ID=1000-0000-C921-DF43  ..  F ======================================================================   I want to do the following:   : RENAME the connections to something that (ideally) equates: the connection with the server and port it is attached to. As an example:  F ======================================================================   HSG80> RENAME !NEWCON08 SRV_P1  F ======================================================================  / Question: Should this affect my current devices #           that have Access: (ALL) ?          J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:31:09 -0500 % From: "Mike Naime" <mnaime@kc.rr.com>  Subject: Re: HSG80 !NEWCONxx; Message-ID: <zgEdd.176691$nA6.151142@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>   " Nope.  You can re-name all day....J It's when you remove/change the storage presentation from ENA=ALL that you
 are affected.   G My convention for the connection names is {Node Name}{Controller}{Port} H Example:   A Server name ABCD01 would get the folowing connection names. ABCD01B1 ABCD01B2 ABCD01T1 ABCD01T2                ^ B = Bottom Controller  T = Top Controller  K If you always check the SHOW CONN and rename using the TOP controller, then I the "THIS" is the TOP and the "Other" controller is the Bottom controller   I The SHOW DEV FG/FULL command will show you the WWID's of your HBA's while  your system is up.  3 John Brandon <brandon@dalsemi.com> wrote in message + news:04102014514601@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com... A > I have a pair of HSG80 storage controllers that were configured 4 > to allow all units to allow default Access as ALL. > H > ====================================================================== >  > HSG80> SHOW D1G >     LUN                                      Uses             Used by L > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > 1 >   D1                                         S0 > >         LUN ID:      6000-1FE1-0005-5EB0-0009-9452-1455-002A > .. >         Access:  >                 ALL  > .. > H > ====================================================================== > 0 > Subsequently the FABRIC connections were never2 > named and left as default connections (!NEW...): > H > ====================================================================== >  > HSG80> SHOW CONNECTION >  > SHOW CONNECTION  > Connection UnitH >    Name      Operating system    Controller  Port    Address    Status Offset > I > !NEWCON08          VMS              OTHER      1      011100   OL other  0 ( >            HOST_ID=2000-0000-C921-DF43 ADAPTER_ID=1000-0000-C921-DF43 > .. > H > ====================================================================== >  > I want to do the following:  > < > RENAME the connections to something that (ideally) equates< > the connection with the server and port it is attached to. > As an example: > H > ====================================================================== >   > HSG80> RENAME !NEWCON08 SRV_P1 > H > ====================================================================== > 1 > Question: Should this affect my current devices % >           that have Access: (ALL) ?  >  >  >  >  > J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  > VMS Systems Administrator , > firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:10:55 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>' Subject: Re: J F on why USA is a regime , Message-ID: <4176AA2F.3070006@tsoft-inc.com>   Bill Todd wrote:  7 > "David Froble" <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message   L >>I'm not sure that I'll blindly accept your assertion such agreements.  The >> > US > H >>has, at least at times, been rather adamant about being able to act in >>
 > it's own > 0 >>interest, and not be limited by any UN action. >> > I > That's called freedom of speech.  And it's quite a different issue than  > freedom of action. > H > The U.S. can posture all it wants to without breaking the law.  But itJ > cannot *act* on those statements (if they contravene the treaties it hasK > ratified) without both breaking the international law that those treaties H > embody *and* breaking *U.S.* law (which the Constitution defines those# > ratified treaties to be part of).  > H > The only way to defy the agreements we have entered into with the U.N.F > without breaking both international law and our own laws is to firstG > formally notify the U.N. that they are being discarded (in which case M > *subsequent* actions that violate them will violate only international law, L > which you seem to think we should feel free to do - and even I would agreeN > that this at least should be considered in some cases where we feel that lawL > is wrong, but of course that's not the case at all where it's law which we" > have freely ratified ourselves).    O I'm not sure what the above is refering to.  If it's refering to a response to  M an outside attack then I don't believe what's written is correct.  Since I'm  P considering this an exchange between various parties (myself included) who each P know what they want to know and will not in any case change their opinions, I'm E not going to go and read the entire UN charter and related documents.     K >>>You should recall that the current regime in Washington has often stated E >>>categorically that they would never allow the UN or anyone else to  >>> 
 > prevent the  > * >>>USA from doing anything it wants to do. >>>  >>I >>Maybe change that to 'needs to do'.  I haven't seen any UN aircraft and  >> > such > I >>protecting high probability targets, such as NYC and Washington DC.  Do  >>
 > you have >  >>any proof of such? >> > I > My, but Bush must appreciate your support for his deliberate efforts to N > mislead the American public in this area (and the rest of the world as well,= > of course, but the rest of the world is far less gullible).  > K > I suspect that JF is referring to our presence in Iraq.  And, as even the G > Bush administration has been forced to admit multiple times (save for J > Cheney, who seems to be clinging to the fiction like a drowning man to aJ > life preserver), there was no connection whatsoever between Iraq and any > attack on the U.S.    O My remarks were not directed solely at Iraq.  Probably not at Iraq at all.  As  K for Iraq, I'll choose to neither agree or disagree with you and JF on that  J issue, in fact for the most part I won't engage in any discussion on Iraq.  K >>Do not attempt to make the happenings on Sept 11, 2001 to be anything but  >> > a  > L >>blatant sneak attack on innocent US civilians.  At least the Japanese sunk >> > some > J >>ships.  The happenings of that day placed the US at war with anyone they >> > could  > H >>find that was in any way associated with those happenings.  That we're >>	 > dealing  > I >>with cowards who won't face the US in the open, and get dups to perform  >> > their  > G >>deeds, does not change that basic fact.  It won't change until the US I >>surrenders, which won't help since the bastard's goals are the death of  >> > all  > G >>infidels, that's all non-muslims, or the opposition surrenders, which  >> > won't  > H >>happen since they hide and have others do their deeds, or the US hunts >>
 > down and > K >>kills all who take actions to harm the US and it's citizens.  If you have  >> > even > I >>1/10 of a brain, you'll see that the only available course is the third  >> > one. > K > Hmmm.  1/10th of a brain appears to be considerably more than you've been & > devoting to understanding this area.     I am busy.  :-)   & > The people we're dealing with are soI > cowardly that they willingly die flying airplanes into buildings and by N > personally detonating explosives wrapped around their bodies, and they do soH > not because they give a hoot in hell about us, but because of what our. > country does to them in their own backyards.    P I think that I've mentioned the leaders, not the dups they get to do these, yes I brave, but incredibly stupid acts.  I have a hard time understanding any  Q teachings that so throughly disregard the value of the individual.  I have great  + sympathy for those who have been so misled.     K > We don't have to surrender:  we just have to cut the crap that we've been I > dishing out since not long after the end of WWII.  You're old enough to N > remember when The Ugly American was first published, and we've become a hell > of a lot uglier since.    P You've a quick way of grouping most US citizens (I assume you exclude yourself) P in this manner.  I do not accept your claim.  I've traveled outside the country M some, not overmuch.  I've always tried to respect others, their customs, and  N such.  I've also respected their perspectives.  And yes, I've known those who N have not, and I feel only disgust for them.  I've seen the restraint shown by L the targets of such disrespect, and wished that such restraint wasn't shown.  O My perspective, the world is filled with good people, mared by a few assholes,  / who are spread rather evenly around the planet.     G >>>This is absolutely contrary to the UN treaties the USA has agreed to  >>>  > uphold >  >>>and abide by. >>>  >>F >>I think that you'll find that the UN charter allows a nation that is >>
 > attacked > F >>from outside to defend itself, in whatever way required.  Go do some >> > research.  > L > Strange advice from one who is so persistently ignorant himself.  The U.N.L > charter is quite clear in the area of what actions legitimately constituteJ > self-defense, and invading uninvolved countries is definitely not one of > them.      Iraq again.  See above.     * >>I believe November 2 is impeachment day. >> > K > Only if the lame excuse for a candidate the Democrats have scraped out of C > the bottom of their barrel manages to squeak by - a pretty ironic H > last-minute clutch effort when one considers the imbecile he's runningN > against, but somehow the voters seem to have realized that neither choice isM > all that inspiring a one, and this time I'll sympathize with those who just L > stay home (though I'd prefer that they turn out in force for a third-partyH > candidate:  while I've never forgiven Ralph for trashing the Corvair aE > couple of years *after* the problems he felt it had had been fixed,     L Bill, you're a Corvair lover!  You do have some redeeming features!  As for O Ralph, he'd be a disaster, but he couldn't be any worse than the other choices.   
 > comparedL > with Bush and Kerry he looks like a Washington, Lincoln, or FDR, and whileH > I'm kind of disappointed in Cobb for deferring to the Democrats in theN > so-called 'unsafe' states I wouldn't mind a strong turnout for him, either). > M > But more to the point, simply quietly shuffling Bush out of office when his F > term has expired in no way adequately addresses his malfeasance.  HeH > *should* be impeached, and then tried for war crimes (plus some ratherK > serious Constitutional violations here at home), not simply retired (with M > generous pension and perpetual Secret Service protection of his sorry ass).     P Bush didn't do it alone.  For that matter Saddam didn't do it alone.  (Ok, so I N mentioned Iraq, sue me!)  I'm not sure what is appropriate.  I don't think we M want a world where every 'leading political figure', upon leaving office, in  P whatever manner, has his actions reviewed and be punished for every action that P some group didn't like.  It might lead to such people attempting to never leave  office.   O Bush may have convinced congress to go along with some actions.  But he didn't  M force them.  They each one of them voted on the questions, and regardless of  M arguments about information available, the responsibility for their vote was  
 theirs alone.     M > I don't think I'll bother responding to Alan:  he's got the added burden of K > religious bias to contend with, and is probably beyond hope.  You, on the N > other hand, might not be:  as an exercise, you might go through his post andN > see how many absurdities you can find (try hard:  adopting a viewpoint otherN > than your own is the first step toward understanding it, which can only helpI > if it's something you're inclined to try to discuss, at least if actual  > discussion is your goal).     # I haven't seen any posts from Alan?   Q I'm open to multiple viewpoints.  Doesn't mean I'll accept any once reviewing it.   G Discussion is a good term.  We all should be able to learn from a good  N discussion.  I've considered some of your opinions.  I've agreed with some of ' your perspectives.  Not all.  Not many.   P Have you considered some of my perspectives?  Can you consider other viewpoints?     > - bill     Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2004 15:55:47 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: J F on why USA is a regime 3 Message-ID: <SKVnto1hK7ii@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <41768BC2.7D240F53@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:5 >>    Go back to school, kid.  Treaties are not laws.  >   F    The US does not say treaties are laws.  So treaties are not laws inF    the US.  The US has not granted authority to the UN to change that.  B    In the US a law must be passed by both houses of Congress, then;    signed by the president (unless his veto is overridden).   C    A treaty must be recommended by the president, and then approved D    (and advised) by the Senate.  The House of Representatives is not    involved.  F    The Constitution of the United States says so.  No higher authorityD    than the Constitution has been granted.  No treaty with the UN or6    any other foreign body superceeds the Constitution.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:59:09 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>' Subject: Re: J F on why USA is a regime + Message-ID: <417725FD.BA8B0E57@comcast.net>    Bob Koehler wrote: > ^ > In article <41768BC2.7D240F53@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > > Bob Koehler wrote:7 > >>    Go back to school, kid.  Treaties are not laws.  > >  > H >    The US does not say treaties are laws.  So treaties are not laws inH >    the US.  The US has not granted authority to the UN to change that. > D >    In the US a law must be passed by both houses of Congress, then= >    signed by the president (unless his veto is overridden).  > E >    A treaty must be recommended by the president, and then approved F >    (and advised) by the Senate.  The House of Representatives is not >    involved. > H >    The Constitution of the United States says so.  No higher authorityF >    than the Constitution has been granted.  No treaty with the UN or8 >    any other foreign body superceeds the Constitution.  H Really? Has anyone told the Supreme court that THEY do not supercede the Constitution, either??!!   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2004 15:58:04 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: JAR files must be stream-lf3 Message-ID: <bd$f5zTpWg2M@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <417692B0.ED0121D8@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Bob Koehler wrote:D >>    jar files on VMS must be stream-lf format.  Your FTP tool will@ >>    not do that.  So first transfer it in binary, and then use >> f& >>       $set file/attribute=rfm=stmlf >  > O > What sort of IO does the java "zip" use where it would make such a differenceeO > ? If the contents are binary, wouldn't both a fixed 512 byte records (similarsA > to a .exe) give the application the same data as a stmlf file ?m > S > I can understand the difference in reading text records. But not for binary data.e  G    I think Java may have picked up some nasty habits like emacs, tryingy<    to roll it's own RMS, basically assuming there is no RMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:01:35 -0500e2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: JAR files must be stream-lf+ Message-ID: <4177268E.610D8404@comcast.net>Y   Bob Koehler wrote: > ^ > In article <417692B0.ED0121D8@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > > Bob Koehler wrote:F > >>    jar files on VMS must be stream-lf format.  Your FTP tool willB > >>    not do that.  So first transfer it in binary, and then use > >>( > >>       $set file/attribute=rfm=stmlf > >2 > >yQ > > What sort of IO does the java "zip" use where it would make such a differencerQ > > ? If the contents are binary, wouldn't both a fixed 512 byte records (similarCC > > to a .exe) give the application the same data as a stmlf file ?m > >hU > > I can understand the difference in reading text records. But not for binary data.  > I >    I think Java may have picked up some nasty habits like emacs, tryings> >    to roll it's own RMS, basically assuming there is no RMS.  B As the Java run-time is likely written in C, I'd tend to blame the/ C-RTL, actually, for being in denial about RMS.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:F" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:30:54 -0400X- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>l( Subject: Re: JAR files must be stream-lf, Message-ID: <41772D41.3B670DE3@teksavvy.com>   David J Dachtera wrote:cD > As the Java run-time is likely written in C, I'd tend to blame the1 > C-RTL, actually, for being in denial about RMS.v  I Whether it is C or C++, what sort of CRTL routines expecting binary data tJ would get different data if it reads a 512 byte fixed length file versus a streamlf file ?y   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:03:52 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>8# Subject: Motif security alert (XPM) , Message-ID: <4176A87E.E9F85B87@teksavvy.com>  ? http://www.ics.com/developers/index.php?cont=xpm_security_alert7  M Not sure how this affects the ancient version of Motif on VMS, but some 1.2.5u systems will require patches.   L This has to do with the XPM libraries which have some bugs which might allowH improperly formatted XPM files to execute code under the user's account.  L The XPM libraries are far more elaborate under current Motif versions (2.*),H but some nascent support was present as far back as 1.2.5 which is where( development of VMS Motif stopped on vax.  I Does anyone know if patches will be issued for VMS (vax and alpha or justg alpha ?)   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Oct 2004 14:35:03 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)t& Subject: Re: Question about Mini-Merge- Message-ID: <lZ00zxyFLWJT@cuebid.zko.dec.com>l  4 David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> writes: > Dave Baxter wrote:I >> I was in the belief that "mini-merge" was a functionality that becomes F >> available with OpenVMS Vers 7.3-2, however reading through the "New> >> Features and Documentation" stuff, I find no mention of it.  F >>      I am hoping that this functionality will help with the mergingF >> which takes place when a node which has SAN-attached Shadow members >> crashes.- > J > Host-based mini-merge comes as an ECO to V7.3-2. I'm told it will not be > back-ported to V7.3-1.  I David is correct; Host-Based minimerge (HBMM) is now available as a patch0D kit for V7.3-2 and that there will be no generally-available kit forE V7.3-1.  Note that support for OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 terminates at thetM end of the calendar year, and will not be eligible for prior version support.n  O HBMM is included in the V8.2 field test (both Alpha and I64) that is under way.h  
 Please see  P http://www2.itrc.hp.com/service/cki/patchDocDisplay.do?patchId=VMS732_HBMM-V0200  ( for more information on HBMM for V7.3-2. -- e  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.coml   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:43:47 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>7 Subject: Re: Retain Trust 'warranty' period almost overc, Message-ID: <4176B1E3.8020007@tsoft-inc.com>   John Smith wrote:   B > Has the former Compaq, that entertaining enterprise now known asK > "carly(tm)'s World", extended the trade-in and license transfer guaranteeuN > now that the 3-year 'warranty' period is near expiry (December 31, 2004 last> > I checked) and there still aren't any GA Itanic/VMS systems? > K > Or is just another way to weasel out of a portion of the 'Plan of Record' H > and the 'Retain Trust' program and cut more costs at customer expense? >  > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=1586 > M > "Q will trade in AlphaServers against Itanics for the net purchase price toc > the tune of 35 per cent.K > Q will offer shared licences between mixed architectures and 100 per cent-J > trade-ins for OSes and layered products when firms move to Itanica. ThisM > miracle for third party software licences is being jointly brokered by bothm > Compaq and Intel.4 > I > The offer expires on the 31st of December [2001], and customers have 36C@ > months from the date of purchase to use the assurance scheme." >  >  >   Q Maybe it says that the people implementing the program didn't imagine the itanic cK would still not be available after 3 years.  You're implying cunning, when e$ ineptness easily explains the issue.   Dave   -- l4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadu Vanderbilt, PA  15486I   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:36:47 -0500A2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>2 Subject: Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical not defined+ Message-ID: <4176CC5F.91794F4D@comcast.net>r   Z wrote: >  > Charlie Hammond wrote:Q > > Was the system re-booted between the failure and the time you "poked around"?n) > > Re-booting would re-set this logical.s >  > Well, I'll be darned.  > 8 > Right now: 20-OCT-2004 10:11:19.34  Uptime  1 09:45:10 > < > Thanks, how did I miss that?!  Now I need to find out why.   D'ya get a dump?   -- l David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:o" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:04:49 +0000 (UTC)t6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical not defined0 Message-ID: <newscache$1tkw5i$zmz$1@news.sil.at>  F In article <10nd7e9ab2ej69c@corp.supernews.com>, Z <z@no.spam> writes: >Charlie Hammond wrote:qP >> Was the system re-booted between the failure and the time you "poked around"?( >> Re-booting would re-set this logical. >a >Well, I'll be darned. >s7 >Right now: 20-OCT-2004 10:11:19.34  Uptime  1 09:45:10r >f; >Thanks, how did I miss that?!  Now I need to find out why.   > So, you saw a reboot causing the lost of the timezone logical.A Now ask yourself why a boot didn't set it and consider installingnC the equivalent of VMS732_TDF for V7.3 (or upgrade to V7.3-2 before)A   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGERm% Network and OpenVMS system specialist- E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:36:47 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>D Subject: Re: VTfm - OpenVMS file manager for VT-compatible terminals, Message-ID: <4176B03F.7060804@tsoft-inc.com>   vershinin-vk@mtu-net.ru wrote:     > Hi, David! > @ > I also made measurement of VTFM compile/link on HP's testdrive) > cluster. The results are the following:  > % > Alpha under OpenVMS 7.3-2  - 6 sec,r& > Alpha under OpenVMS E8.2   - 12 sec,& > Itanium under OpenVMS E8.2 - 10 sec.  P You fail to mention the type of Alpha system for the first two above.  I'm sure N that I can find a slow enough Alpha to make E8.2 seem slower.  Unfortunately, : all of my Alpha systems would fit into this catagory.  :-(   -- i4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadw Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:55:17 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>A" Subject: What happened with SEVMS?, Message-ID: <_vidnZw8D7tbQ-vcRVn-tg@igs.net>  / http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-5419212.htmlr  ! FBI supplier readies secure Linuxy By Ingrid Marson
 ZDNet (UK) October 20, 2004, 9:20 AM PT    I Trusted Computer Solutions is branching out from its Solaris roots with a 0 secure version of Linux, due out in spring 2005.  H The software company, also known as TCS, is currently testing the secureI version of Linux, which will provide its customers with an alternative totF Sun Microsystems' Trusted Solaris operating system for running the TCS
 product line.e  L TCS builds applications that allow information to be shared securely. EdwardL Hammersla, the company's chief operating officer, said that when the BritishK Ministry of Defence or NATO requires a piece of U.S. intelligence, the datacL is often shared using TCS software. The company's customers include the FBI,A the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency and the U.S. Office of Navalr
 Intelligence.r  J At present, TCS customers can only run applications on Trusted Solaris, asG this is the only "trusted" operating system available on the market. To_I provide an alternative to Trusted Solaris, developers at TCS have built azD custom version of Linux by extending the functionality of SELinux--aJ security-enhanced version of Linux developed by the U.S. National Security Agency.t  G The product is targeted at certification under the U.S. Common CriteriatI Evaluation at Evaluation Assurance Level 4 (CC-EAL4). Hammersla said that J the CC-EAL4 certification is essential if TCS solutions on Linux are to beJ sold to the intelligence industry, and this is not the only challenge that needs to be overcome.   L "Intelligence agencies need to go through a number of approval bodies beforeE they can buy anything--which is a bit like the Olympics with 25 extra * hurdles you don't expect," Hammersla said.  L Hammersla said there has been significant interest in the product, primarilyG for cost reasons. The Trusted Solaris operating system runs only on Sun/J hardware, while Linux can be run on numerous hardware platforms, including low-cost Dell and IBM systems.  B TCS is not the only company working on secure Linux. At the end ofH September, a consortium including French Linux vendor Mandrakesoft won aK three-year contract from the French Ministry of Defense to develop a securee version of Linux.g  J Francois Bancilhon, the chief executive officer of Mandrakesoft, said thatK he expects a beta version of this product in two years. The consortium aimsnC to get the software certified at CC-EAL5, one level higher than the D certification TCS is aiming for. He admits this will be challenging.  J "That level is a toughie--few operating systems have reached this level of certification," Bancilhon said.   K But TCS' Hammersla is not convinced that reaching this extra level is worthe it.   J "EAL4 is the highest level for general-purpose computing," Hammersla said.? "Once you get beyond EAL4, you lose Windows and point-and-clickhI functionality. Instead you have to use command lines. Most EAL 5, 6 and 7 6 systems are embedded systems, for example, in planes."      , Mandrake in contract to boost Linux security& Linux gets trial 'NX' security support   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:04:28 -0500n2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>& Subject: Re: What happened with SEVMS?+ Message-ID: <4177273C.546FA5EA@comcast.net>    John Smith wrote:n > [snip]   "What happened with SEVMS?"i   Doesn't run on IA32.   What more needs to be said?e   -- g David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    Coming soon:! Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Pageo   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.584 ************************pass along the info.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:36:00 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 3 Subject: Re: HP announces new educational programme , Messag"ٶlIקq؆iC15xGd5dSӵc|pA.șXDer*FRHe0ufn4?0<Lzrt#3YF/Mv`RF*4rz/z=n`,ɦbabN<L[׋igA*ܦC|G DR.6{́XK9;XՌ}TT$h+
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