1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 24 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 591       Contents:! Re: A couple simplistic COV Stats ! Re: A couple simplistic COV Stats  DECSERVER 900TM  Re: JAR files must be stream-lf  Re: JAR files must be stream-lf  Problem with LIB$INIT_TIMER  Re: Problem with LIB$INIT_TIMER   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:18:45 +0200 3 From: Michael Unger <spam.to.unger@spamgourmet.com> * Subject: Re: A couple simplistic COV Stats+ Message-ID: <2u1ah7F25glrpU1@uni-berlin.de>   - On 2004-10-24 01:01, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote:   > > A Google Search for "VMS" or "NEWBIE" in COMP.OS.VMS by Year >  > [...]   B In a newsgroup devoted to a specific OS the OS's name hasn't to be mentioned explicitely.  # > Some other potential Variables...  > 5 >     - Postings are being counted here, not threads.  > < >     - There exist potentially many more alternative forumsI >       to discuss VMS today than just a couple years ago. I am currently C >       aware of 29 VMS specific forums, most of which are not more  >       than 5 years old.   G A "forum" isn't attractive to users restricted to dial-up lines because C they have to pay a time-based rate. News can be downloaded and read , offline; replies can be written offline too.  K >     - COV postings and posters have never necessarily been representative B >       of the entire VMS Community, it's a segment of the OpenVMSI >       Community which knows about and chooses to participate in the COV #                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ K >       Forum. The number and consistency of lurkers can only be speculated J >       about. I was a lurker myself several years before participating inJ >       COV. The attitude, quality and interests of the COV community haveJ >       potentially changed over time, and thus affecting participation in9 >       the forum independent of VMS community interests.   B As far as I'm aware this newsgroup is explicitely mentioned in the OpenVMS FAQ at HP's website.   Michael    --  ; Real names enhance the probability of getting real answers. 5 My e-mail account at DECUS Munich is no longer valid.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:11:33 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>* Subject: Re: A couple simplistic COV StatsB Message-ID: <417b8de8$0$20938$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>   Michael Unger wrote:/ > On 2004-10-24 01:01, "Keith Cayemberg" wrote:  >  > > >>A Google Search for "VMS" or "NEWBIE" in COMP.OS.VMS by Year >> >>[...]  >  > D > In a newsgroup devoted to a specific OS the OS's name hasn't to be > mentioned explicitely. > E It's just a week attempt to reduce the count of "off topic" postings.    > # >>Some other potential Variables...  >>5 >>    - Postings are being counted here, not threads.  >>< >>    - There exist potentially many more alternative forumsI >>      to discuss VMS today than just a couple years ago. I am currently C >>      aware of 29 VMS specific forums, most of which are not more  >>      than 5 years old.  >  > I > A "forum" isn't attractive to users restricted to dial-up lines because E > they have to pay a time-based rate. News can be downloaded and read . > offline; replies can be written offline too. > H Yes, the specific reasoning behind participation in the available forms G of computer-based discourse may be nearly as varied as the backgrounds  I of the participants. Here I'm using the term "forum" in a general sense,  C but still specific to computer-based communication. I wish only to  B provide a more realistic context for evaluating the weight of the   statistics for various purposes. > K >>    - COV postings and posters have never necessarily been representative B >>      of the entire VMS Community, it's a segment of the OpenVMSI >>      Community which knows about and chooses to participate in the COV  > % >                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  > K >>      Forum. The number and consistency of lurkers can only be speculated J >>      about. I was a lurker myself several years before participating inJ >>      COV. The attitude, quality and interests of the COV community haveJ >>      potentially changed over time, and thus affecting participation in9 >>      the forum independent of VMS community interests.  >  > D > As far as I'm aware this newsgroup is explicitely mentioned in the > OpenVMS FAQ at HP's website.H I have in the past seen various statements in COV postings which appear H to assume there is a direct relationship of the COV participants to the G realities of the OpenVMS Market. My own research has shown me that the  E relationship is close in some respects, but not direct. Knowledge of  E COV, and of the FAQ as well, is not universal among the person's who  F decide about and pay for OpenVMS related products. In many cases, the E application is the product which is consciously being purchased by a  I customer, whose decision may be only indirectly influenced by OpenVMS as  I the platform since the application is more secure, stable, available, DT  I or full-resource scalable as a competing application on another platform.  > 	 > Michael  >   ? Thanks for showing me where my posting needed more explanation.    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:18:43 -0400  From: "none" <none@none.net> Subject: DECSERVER 900TM4 Message-ID: <EBQed.205$xk5.52@fe39.usenetserver.com>  K My DEC flash card was destroyed several years back in shipping and I though H I might try a 4MB PCMCIA flash card from an old CISCO router - the 900TML recognizes the flash card but won't initialize it.  Anyone know how to setupL this flash card for the 900TM? It looks like I need to change the boot block on the flash card.  I Local -901- Initializing DECserver 900TM  08-00-XX-XX-XX-XX  FW V5.1-0 HW  1.6 % Local -960- Available Memory 4 Mbytes 1 Local -969- Requesting Specified Software: WWENG2 ; Local -953- [IP]  Attempting to locate load host [ETHERNET] 8 Local -955- [IP]  Host 192.168.XXX.XX located [ETHERNET]2 Local -903- [IP]  Loading from host 192.168.XXX.XX Local -904- Image load complete 3 Local -909- Requesting software update of Flash RAM 7             (This can take several minutes, be patient)   # Local -042- Flash RAM update failed   0 Local -610- Unknown Flash RAM device ID detected, Local -040- Software initialization complete   =============================   ( Here's a "show mem" after it boots up...      : Dynamic RAM:                                     4 M bytes  : Non-Volatile RAM:                               64 K bytes  
 Flash RAM::   Installed:                                           Yes:   Total size:                                    0 M bytes:   Boot block:                                      Invalid
   Load Image: 	     Name: :     Size:                                          0 bytes     Version:       TIA    None   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:05:19 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>( Subject: Re: JAR files must be stream-lf2 Message-ID: <clg2ae$aq4$1@news1.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Dirk Munk wrote: > Q >>Very true *but only in RMS terms*. Since Java and most C programs use blockmode Q >>file access (bypassing RMS), the <cr> and <lf> characters are part of the data. Q >>In that case there is a big difference between files with just a <lf> and files   >>with the <lf><cr> combination. >  > P > You mean that the CRTL uses $READ instead of $GET when reading files ? If thatP > is the case, how come it can read indexed files sequentially as text records ?  L I'm not quite sure, but it may depend on which IO function is used in the C P program. I you have a pure Unix style C-program, then it will not be able to do  this.      > O > Also, just so I understand correctly, it is correct to state that with $READ, M > the file structure is totally irrelevant as you get raw data stored on disk  > blocks ?    O Yes indeed. In fact the file attributes of a C Stream-LF file are more or less  H faked. The attributes always show the maximum RMS record length (32767) O regardless of the actual maximum record length. That way any RMS based program  I can allocate sufficient buffer size and should be able to read the file,  L assuming the record size does not exceed the 32767 byte limit (and that can 	 happen !)   C If so, then no amount of SET FILE/ATTRIB would change the behaviour  > of the program, right ?   L That's right. I nice example is Mozilla. If you have a JPG file with binary H attributes (512 byte blocks), Mozilla can use the file. It just can not Q determine the file size. Change the attributes to Stream-LF and it will show the  
 file size.  M One of the problems with the latest version of Apache for VMS is that it can  K only use Stream-LF files. There is a good reason for this, and that is the  O length of Stream-LF files can be determined accurately to the last byte (incl.  Q the <lf> characters). You could make accurate calculations for fixed record size  N files as well, but *not* for variable record length files without reading the O file first (not to mention other file types). Keep in mind that all files have  K to be transmitted in Stream-LF format, so a variable record file has to be   converted during transmission.  O In many situations it is desirable to supply the exact size of a file, so that  & is a problem with non Stream-LF files.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:02:17 -0400 2 From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jerry.braga@noreply.com>( Subject: Re: JAR files must be stream-lf/ Message-ID: <mLednTx27o77KubcRVn-sA@rogers.com>   ( where did you get the is FILE to utility  0 "Glenn Everhart" <gce@gce.com> wrote in message   news:417AB9FD.1050408@gce.com...? >I use the FILE utility to bash the file to lfstream as needed.  > D > Reading lfstream and reading fixed-512 give different stuff if anyF > of the reading code tries to interpret end of block as end of recordI > and acts as though a LF or a CRLF had been seen. Also if reading stream I > and you get a record longer than 32K bytes, read tends to fail. Reading G > fixed 512 will never do that to you, but it is sometimes important to H > ensure it has no implied carriage control. A completely unix-like modeG > is unfortunately not present unless it has been added recently enough  > I haven't seen it. >  > Glenn Everhart >  > Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > D >> "Carl Karcher" <karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu> wrote in message3 >> news:21OCT04.12354780@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu...  >> >>>Bob Koehler wrote: G >>>->    jar files on VMS must be stream-lf format.  Your FTP tool will C >>>->    not do that.  So first transfer it in binary, and then use  >>>-> ) >>>->       $set file/attribute=rfm=stmlf  >>> L >>>You can also convert the existing files if you don't want to re-transfer: >>> - >>> $ CONVERT/FDL=SYS$INPUT file.jar file.jar 
 >>> RECORD >>> FORMAT STREAM_LF >>> <CTRL-Z> >> >>G >> Isn't that a destructive method in this case? CONVERT may change the J >> contents of the file, while SET FILE /ATTR does not touch the contents  >> and) >> only change the meta-data of the file.  >> >> --  >> Daniel Gustafsson >> http://developer.mimer.se >> >> >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:32:22 +0200  From: Dieter Falk <a@b.c.de>$ Subject: Problem with LIB$INIT_TIMER5 Message-ID: <clfssf$g9a$1@news.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>    Hi:   4 I am trying to use LIB$INIT_TIMER in oder to include4 a timer in my Fortran 77 program. I obtain the error message    sieve.f: In program `tsieve':  sieve.f:20:           CALL LIB$INIT_TIMER                  ^& Invalid form for CALL statement at (^)   What is the problem?   Thanks in advance.       Andreas    ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:43:33 +0000 (UTC) 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)( Subject: Re: Problem with LIB$INIT_TIMER0 Message-ID: <newscache$xsh36i$zet$1@news.sil.at>  T In article <clfssf$g9a$1@news.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, Dieter Falk <a@b.c.de> writes:5 >I am trying to use LIB$INIT_TIMER in oder to include = >a timer in my Fortran 77 program. I obtain the error message  >  >sieve.f: In program `tsieve': >sieve.f:20: >         CALL LIB$INIT_TIMER  >                 ^ ' >Invalid form for CALL statement at (^)  >  >What is the problem?    The missing brackets ?   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.591 ************************                  APTOR.JPG size 97 ;4    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]ROCK_GRA.GIF size 47 ;9    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]SCROLLBARTEST1.XUL size 4 ;9    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]SCROLLBARTEST2.XUL size 2 ;6    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]SLIDERTEST1.XUL size 1 ;5    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]SOUNDTEST.HTML size 2 ;/    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TAB.XUL size 11 ;0    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST.WAV size 63 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST0.HTML size 12 ;1    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST1.HTML size 5 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST10.HTML size 1 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST11.HTML size 5 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST12.HTML size 6 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST13.HTML size 6 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST14.HTML size 1 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST15.HTML size 1 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST16.HTML size 7 ;1    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST2.HTML size 3 ;1    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST3.HTML size 5 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST4.HTML size 18 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST5.HTML size 12 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST6.HTML size 10 ;1    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST7.HTML size 1 ;3    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST8-1.HTML size 4 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST8.HTML size 36 ;4    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST8DOM.HTML size 3 ;5    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST8SCA.HTML size 11 ;5    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST8SIZ.HTML size 12 ;4    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST8TAB.HTML size 1 ;1    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST9.HTML size 1 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST9A.HTML size 3 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST9B.HTML size 1 ;3    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST_ED.HTML size 1 ;5    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST_FORM.HTML size 2 ;4    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST_GFX.HTML size 8 ;5    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST_LBOX.HTML size 5 ;3    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST_PR.HTML size 4 ;7    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TEST_WEIGHT.HTML size 3 ;7    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TOOLBARTEST1.XUL size 4 ;4    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TREETEST1.CSS size 2 ;4    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]TREETEST1.XUL size 8 ;3    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]WIDGETS.XUL size 12 ;1    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]XPMENU.XUL size 9 ;2    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES]XULTEST.CSS size 5 ;2    directory [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES.SAMPLEIMAGES] ;>    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES.SAMPLEIMAGES]BONGO.GIF size 68 ;<    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES.SAMPLEIMAGES]DOWN.GIF size 2 ;<    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES.SAMPLEIMAGES]LEFT.GIF size 2 ;=    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES.SAMPLEIMAGES]RIGHT.GIF size 1 ;:    file [MOZILLA.RES.SAMPLES.SAMPLEIMAGES]UP.GIF size 1 ;'    directory [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS] ;5    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]BUGZILLA.GIF size 2 ;5    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]BUGZILLA.SRC size 3 ;1    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]DMOZ.GIF size 2 ;1    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]DMOZ.SRC size 2 ;3    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]GOOGLE.GIF size 3 ;3    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]GOOGLE.SRC size 2 ;7    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]LXRMOZILLA.GIF size 2 ;7    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]LXRMOZILLA.SRC size 2 ;4    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]MOZILLA.GIF size 2 ;4    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]MOZILLA.SRC size 2 ;;    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]NETSCAPESEARCH.GIF size 1 ;;    file [MOZILLA.SEARCHPLUGINS]NETSCAPESEARCH.SRC size 4 ;
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