1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 25 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 593       Contents:7 Devices not "visable" at SRM, but visible post-Boot ...  Re: Failover in seconds  Re: Failover in seconds  Re: Failover in seconds  Re: Failover in seconds  float exception control ( Help needed with historic software (cbs), Re: Help needed with historic software (cbs), Re: Help needed with historic software (cbs) RE: J F on why USA is a regime Re: JAR files must be stream-lf  Re: OT: Short Article about Sun  Re: OT: Short Article about Sun  Re: OT: why USA is a regime  Re: Problem with LIB$INIT_TIMER  Re: Problem with LIB$INIT_TIMER  Re: Problem with LIB$INIT_TIMER  Re: Public DS10L ? Re: Public DS10L ? Re: Question about Descriptors Re: Question about Descriptors) Re: SAN DISK - PROBLEM W/MNT STATE - MSCP P SELL this FBI NOC LIST and MAKE MILLIONS like TOM CRUISE did in MISSION IMPOSSIB@ SW800-FB StorageWorks cabinet:  how to get the side panels off ?G Re: SW800-FB StorageWorks cabinet:  how to get the side panels off ? ?? 9 Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULSYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical not defined " Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ???4 Will the source code for CSWS_PHP v1.2 be available?1 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Strange BACKUP message 1 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Strange BACKUP message   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:17:55 -0700  From: JBloggs@acme.com@ Subject: Devices not "visable" at SRM, but visible post-Boot ...8 Message-ID: <a99qn09a7o86fvncm8hgefaa0nlargoen9@4ax.com>   F.ex,   < on VMS versions less then v7.3-2, DE600's would sucessfully 6 configure, on PC164 Alpha, despite not showing at SRM  (eg, >>> sh dev).         - but at version 7.3-2, on PC164, they do not.  / autoconfigure hangs unless given /exclude=(E*). * (latest patches/ecos, incl 7.3-2's LAN V2)  1 Conversely, DE500's in the above scenario, work.  5 But, we would rather use DE600's   (lotsa reasons...)   9 Anyone know of work-arounds?  Already did try putting the < DE600 stanzas from sys$config.dat into sys$user_config.dat.  (no luck w/ that)   < Also any insight (or war stories, even) inre devices visible4 post-boot,  but not at SRM would be appreciated ...   0 The latest/last PC164 SRM was 5.5-1, 1999, iirc.  2 and yes, the PC164 is basically 7 years-old, and  7 we probably ought replace them with something newer ...    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 08:58:06 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)   Subject: Re: Failover in seconds3 Message-ID: <W3c35xZ2ZStO@eisner.encompasserve.org>   b In article <1ca82fc6.0410241843.6f2e581@posting.google.com>, dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) writes:9 > Just in case any of you vms cluster managers missed it,  > IBM can now do failover..... > : > http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3417901 >   F    IBM catches up to 1980's technology.  Of course, they had it in the%    60's, I wonder where they left it?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:07:20 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: Failover in seconds1 Message-ID: <sM7fd.1494$E05.557@news.cpqcorp.net>   
 dooley wrote: A > "After detecting an outage, WAS 6 redirects data to a fail-over > > server within the same data center, or via the Internet to a+ > completely different location, if needed.   E WebSphere is middleware, and is thus redirecting the requests to the  G servers, not handling the requests itself. So this failover capability  I doesn't address the underlying problem that the server to which requests  G are redirected must have an up-to-date copy of the data ready to serve  I (and must be able to handle the failover in seconds also). If all you're  H doing is serving static data, then any old server that's up and running C with a copy of the static data will do, but if you're dealing with  H rapidly-changing data, the set of servers must be able to deal with the E server loss and handle the failover in seconds, too. This is an area  H where VMS Clusters, with their Connection Manager and cluster-wide file C system (for an identical application environment on all nodes) and  H distributed lock manager (for coordination among the servers), plus the C ability to fail over in seconds, with zero data loss, really shine.   9 > Before, administrators had to manually reboot systems."   G Wow. That must have been very painful. And until just now this was the  / case? My sympathies go to those administrators.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 08:11:08 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>   Subject: Re: Failover in seconds' Message-ID: <417D178C.3040504@MMaz.com>    Bob Koehler wrote:  c >In article <1ca82fc6.0410241843.6f2e581@posting.google.com>, dooleys@snowy.net.au (dooley) writes:  >    > 9 >>Just in case any of you vms cluster managers missed it,  >>IBM can now do failover..... >>: >>http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3417901 >> >>     >> > G >   IBM catches up to 1980's technology.  Of course, they had it in the & >   60's, I wonder where they left it? >  >  >    > H It is a bit immaterial whether they had it and lost it, or just finally E got their act together, the point is that IBM is marketing it, which  * cannot be said about HP and VMSclustering.   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:27:35 +0000 (UTC) % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>   Subject: Re: Failover in seconds6 Message-ID: <slrncnqaeq.8tt.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>  d In article <sM7fd.1494$E05.557@news.cpqcorp.net>, Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: > dooley wrote: B >> "After detecting an outage, WAS 6 redirects data to a fail-over? >> server within the same data center, or via the Internet to a , >> completely different location, if needed. > G > WebSphere is middleware, and is thus redirecting the requests to the  I > servers, not handling the requests itself. So this failover capability  K > doesn't address the underlying problem that the server to which requests  I > are redirected must have an up-to-date copy of the data ready to serve  K > (and must be able to handle the failover in seconds also). If all you're  J > doing is serving static data, then any old server that's up and running E > with a copy of the static data will do, but if you're dealing with  J > rapidly-changing data, the set of servers must be able to deal with the G > server loss and handle the failover in seconds, too. This is an area  J > where VMS Clusters, with their Connection Manager and cluster-wide file E > system (for an identical application environment on all nodes) and  J > distributed lock manager (for coordination among the servers), plus the E > ability to fail over in seconds, with zero data loss, really shine.   E Er, I should point out that IBM has had a clustering product for some = time now (12 years) called HACMP (High Availability Clustered I Multi-Processing. Originally known as HACMP/6000, later renamed to HACMP.   F As good as a VMS cluster? Well, HACMP and the various add-ons (such asG the GPFS -- distributed filesystem, WAN-based clustering, etc) works. I ? know it works because I've deployed multiple HACMP clusters for  production use.   G HACMP, while functional, is not as well integrated as the clustering in F VMS, nor been around as long. So VMSclusters are still one of the gems that adds value for VMS.  G Not only that, the VMScluster license covers everything cluster-related G whereas it's somewhat more piecemeal for the various HACMP stuff (base, - GPFS, WAN, etc) from a licensing perspective.   E But wanted to make sure you were aware that IBM does indeed have (and ? have had for some time now) clustering on at least one of their ' platforms, with the requisite features.   B I'm a lot more rusty with features of the AS/400 (aka iSeries) and? mainframe (aka zSeries) platforms so it's possible there's been - clustering support there for a long time now.    -Dan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:51:31 +0200 1 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?=   Subject: float exception control7 Message-ID: <417cb08f$0$28606$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr>    Hi,   " porting a numerical Python library; (http://www.stsci.edu/resources/software_hardware/numarray)   7 I have found the following code which is valid on TRU64     M /*-- DEC ALPHA OSF --------------------------------------------------------*/ * #elif defined(__alpha) && defined(__osf__)8      /* References:   exception_intro, ieee man pages */;      /* cc -c -I/usr/local/python/include fpectlmodule.c */ 7      /* ld -shared -o fpectlmodule.so fpectlmodule.o */  #include <machine/fpu.h>! fpstatus = ieee_get_fp_control(); ? /* clear status bits as well as disable exception mode if on */  ieee_set_fp_control( 0 ); K retstatus = pyFPE_DIVIDE_BY_ZERO* (int)((IEEE_STATUS_DZE  & fpstatus) != 0) J          + pyFPE_OVERFLOW      * (int)((IEEE_STATUS_OVF  & fpstatus) != 0)J          + pyFPE_UNDERFLOW     * (int)((IEEE_STATUS_UNF  & fpstatus) != 0)K          + pyFPE_INVALID       * (int)((IEEE_STATUS_INV  & fpstatus) != 0);       3 I have not found how to port this to VMS, any idea?          Thanks,     
 Jean-Franois    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 04:28:22 -0700# From: ivan@ivanpope.com (Ivan Pope) 1 Subject: Help needed with historic software (cbs) = Message-ID: <feb86947.0410250328.327bcc6c@posting.google.com>    Hi, F I'm writing a book about my time in the Internet and predecessors fromB 1987 to 2000. I first used email in 1988 at Goldsmiths' College in7 London. We used terminals attached to VAX/VMS machines. E I'm not tech, so I don't know the exact terminology in all of this. I > know that we used cbs% (coloured book system?) software on the terminals for email.E I'm trying to recreate the first email exchanges I had (roughly!) and A am looking for someone who can help me get the structure of email 4 messages from that period using that software right. Thanks, 	 Ivan Pope  ivan2@ivanpope.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:07:13 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 5 Subject: Re: Help needed with historic software (cbs) , Message-ID: <417CFA7E.3E391203@teksavvy.com>   Ivan Pope wrote:G > I'm not tech, so I don't know the exact terminology in all of this. I @ > know that we used cbs% (coloured book system?) software on the > terminals for email.G > I'm trying to recreate the first email exchanges I had (roughly!) and C > am looking for someone who can help me get the structure of email 6 > messages from that period using that software right.   Not sure about "cbs%".  9 However, here are varous email nomenclatures of the time:   
 VMS MAIL:  1	jdoe 2	node::jdoe 3	node1::node2::node3::jdoe  4	software%name  5	smtp%"user@domain.tld" 6	psi%79400900::jdoe 7	mrgate::a1::jdoe 8	mrgate::city::first.last   1- for username on that node  I 2 and 3: users name on a different decnet node. (3) was called poor man's L routing, and allowed you to reach node3 if your route to node3 was down, butN you could then force the email to transit via node1 and node2 to get to node3.  I 4 the % sign indidcates a foreign mail protocol, a piece of software that B allowed VMS mail to interface to other mail protocols or software.  K 5 smtp% and internet% and mx% were common prefixes of a foreign protoocl to  reach internet.   E 6 psi was the software to reach other VMS mail hosts via an X25 link.   M 7 mrgate was the interface to get into message router. A1 was a common prefix % to reach all-in-1 from message router   N 8 this was the nomenclature to reach digital employees thorugh what was calledN easynet. Mrgate got you into message router, the "city" got you to the messageI router node on the city of employee, and from there, that node knew about I "first.last" and would route the message to an appropriate message router J destination (such as a1::jdoe, or mrgate::node::jdoe to get to his VMSmail address on node "node").  % VMS mail had left to right adressing.   / ALL-IN-1 had different right to left adressing.   
 user@node   2 So a DEC employee could contact another by typing:
 	John.Doe@ZKO   N ALLIN_1 would automatically send the message to message router, message routerL would send it to the MR node at city code ZKO, where a lookup for "John.Doe"2 would find the actual email address for that name.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:35:31 GMT # From: "Phil" <dooleys@snowy.net.au> 5 Subject: Re: Help needed with historic software (cbs) = Message-ID: <Di7fd.38927$5O5.7628@news-server.bigpond.net.au>   0 "Ivan Pope" <ivan@ivanpope.com> wrote in message7 news:feb86947.0410250328.327bcc6c@posting.google.com...  > Hi, H > I'm writing a book about my time in the Internet and predecessors fromD > 1987 to 2000. I first used email in 1988 at Goldsmiths' College in9 > London. We used terminals attached to VAX/VMS machines. G > I'm not tech, so I don't know the exact terminology in all of this. I @ > know that we used cbs% (coloured book system?) software on the > terminals for email.G > I'm trying to recreate the first email exchanges I had (roughly!) and C > am looking for someone who can help me get the structure of email 6 > messages from that period using that software right.	 > Thanks,  > Ivan Pope  > ivan2@ivanpope.com1 AFAIK this used standard vms mail from terminals, 0 cbs was the the equivalent of smtp, and was used over  X25 networks. . One thing that you ought to note is that email& addresses then/there were "big-endian"8 (most significant first) So you would have sent email to0 CBS%xx.yy.zz::name instead of SMTP%name@zz.yy.xx= The "::" is the vms node separator, and the xx represents the 5 country code, and values for yy were ac (academia) or 4 co (company) that are still used in UK domain names.3 If you google for "CBS%uk.ac" you may even find one  of your old emails.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:50:13 -0400 $ From: "Noce, Guy" <gnoce@towson.edu>' Subject: RE: J F on why USA is a regime H Message-ID: <957B7AB3AFF9EB4182E46BD96F48B77B02B3ABAA@helium.towson.edu>  H This email illustrates why I love political speech in this country, and,+ apparently, anywhere in the world at large.   > It seems that if one spouts an opinion, no matter how obscene,G ridiculous, or even carefully reasoned, someone else will agree with it + and thus passes for a political discussion.   B "Everybody does it" is indeed an adequate rationalization for mostF anything, especially in world politics.  Remember Karl Marx?  TreatiesF are made to be broken.  There is a certain ratioanle behind almost any@ action by national entities.  Hussein through he was doing quiteG properly in the invasion of Kuwait, as no doubt, gassing Kurds, Shiites C and Iranians.  No doubt so did Hitler in his attempt to exterminate H numerous peoples in Europe.  As did Stalin whe he sent people in advanceG of his armies as minesweepers.  Or, for that matter, US intervention in  Vietnam, or WWII, or WWI, etc.  = If you choose to understand these things in terms of a narrow C world-view, the possibilities for meaningful discussion are off the B table.  It's what usually happens when I'm right and you're wrong.  D The thing that make true political discussion and debate valuable isB that issues can be discussed in reasonable terms in an intelligent> fashion.  (And while the discussion in a democratic society is4 "political", the results are usually "compromises".)  F So, while accusations of who's right and who's wrong, who's stupid andC who's smart, etc. abound, I say, let's have more of it, because the D discourse is really familiar and certainly will not convince me, and' what the hell, "everbody else does it."   B >>I'd really like to get off Iraq/Bush/international affairs topicG entirely, but I don't >>see any particular treaty ratified and approved - by the US that precluded our actions >>there.   D >Then you're apparently not acquainted with the contents of the U.N.) charter, which we >ratified and approved.    >>  We did it in Grenada, after G >>all.  The Russians did it in Afghanistan, Czechoslovakia and Hungary. C >>The Indians and Pakistanis did it in Kashmir.  British and French  prettyC >>much did it anywhere they felt they had an interest. ETc.   --Guy   < >Last time I checked, "Everybody else does it too" was not a legally-binding defense.   >- bill    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 07:55:07 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ( Subject: Re: JAR files must be stream-lf3 Message-ID: <M7WzMLvdu5s0@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <cld5j7$m8m$1@news2.zwoll1.ov.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:   / > Since Java and most C programs use blockmode   > file        From what programmer?   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 06:09:20 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) ( Subject: Re: OT: Short Article about Sun< Message-ID: <734da31c.0410250509.c41e6c5@posting.google.com>  q Andrew Harrison <andrew_remove_.harrison@s_u_n.com> wrote in message news:<clb95p$fjs$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>... H > > While Sun's new boxes will be in-house, HP's current 4-way AMD64 boxG > > was the first (, and still is the only) in-house 4-way Opteron box. G > > Besides, there is not any significant differences between different J > > x86 vendors, it is still a common x86 box (PC) where people don't careF > > that much about who did the manufacturing if they get a good deal. > >  > 9 > And people do care if the vendor is able to package the 4 > x86 box better or deliver equivalent functionality< > at a lower cost. Thats what Dell or rather Dells suppliers > have been rather good at.   . Yes, ofcourse they care about at a lower cost,= but the differences are still small in features, performance.    > @ > Over 80% of the commercial Linux market is dependant on RedHat: > both from a platform perspective and from an ISV revenue
 > standpoint.   @ Perhaps not in Europe,and many deploy Linux and arrange support contracts with other companies.   5 > >>on a 2-4 way box then there will always be a need $ > >>for something better than Linux. > > F > > That's a laugh, even though Solaris may scale a little better now,D > > there is good evidence that the Linux of today can scale good toJ > > 32-way on commericial workloads. SGI is also doing a tremendous job onB > > Linux kernel scalability. Next year Linux will be even better. > >  > ? > So provide some actual numbers that support your claim. Don't ? > use anything from SGI we are talking commercial workloads not > > embarassingly parallel HPC and don't include RAC for obvious
 > reasons. >    NEC 32-way TPC-C 683,575 tpmC   1 http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/rint2000.html   / SGI SGI Altix 3000 (1500MHz, Itanium 2) 32 447  / SGI SGI Altix 3000 (1500MHz, Itanium 2) 64 854  ? SGI SGI Altix 3000 (1500MHz, Itanium 2) 128 cores, 128 chips, 1  core/chip 1721  = Fujitsu Limited PRIMEPOWER900 (1890MHz) 16 cores, 16 chips, 1  core/chip  202 233> Fujitsu Limited PRIMEPOWER1500 (1890MHz) 32 cores, 32 chips, 1 core/chip 370 426   * Sun Microsystems Sun Fire 12K 32  206 232 * Sun Microsystems Sun Fire 15K 64  390 436 D Sun Microsystems Sun Fire E6900 (16 processor) 32 cores, 16 chips, 2 cores/chip 180 204D Sun Microsystems Sun Fire E6900 (16 processor) 32 cores, 16 chips, 2 cores/chip 204 230C Sun Microsystems Sun Fire E25K (32 processor) 64 cores, 32 chips, 2  cores/chip 390 437D Sun Microsystems Sun Fire E25K (64 processor) 128 cores, 64 chips, 2 cores/chip 715 791  + Although these figures may not satisfy you, C Saying that Linux will never scale beyond 4-way is just plain dumb.    > F > > Solaris has an advantage in RAS over Linux today, that is where itD > > excels Linux on something that people care about. IBM, and otherF > > companies are though on their way to make the RAS better on Linux. > 6 > Really, so Linux has something that it equivalent to( > greenline and dtrace, how interesting. >  > So how about security ?    Yeah, what about security. ;)   7 > Or performance for that matter, Solaris 10 absolutely ; > trashes Linux on network throughput because of fireengine  > on the same hardware.   = Perhaps, have not seen this. Solaris 10 is not even released.   : > If I was you I would get on the Software Express Program; > for Solaris 10 and try it on an x86 box, let me know what ( > you think. Should be very interesting.  C Solaris 10 may have a few good points, but I prefer to use released 	 software.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 06:14:15 -0700' From: icerq4a@spray.se (David Svensson) ( Subject: Re: OT: Short Article about Sun< Message-ID: <734da31c.0410250514.15ba159@posting.google.com>   Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote in message news:<cl8m53$inu$1@new-usenet.uk.sun.com>...  > Dr. Dweeb wrote: > > David Svensson wrote:  > > 2 > >>"John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message, > >>news:<K82dnYh-wOJC1ujcRVn-rQ@igs.net>... > >>5 > >>>...run bigger databases with fancier graphics...  > >> > >>;) > >>J > >>This is a bit sad, Sun was the last company who did something on theirH > >>own, and did not bought the PC revolution. Now also they are turning > >>into being a PC company. > >>> > >>In a few years, the whole world could run on Linux x86-64. > >>Not fun. > >  > > O > > Carley's mantra is that in a few years the whole world will run Windoze x86  > >  > ; > Thats the amusing thing, a quick perusal of the customers 7 > that HP have won from Sun in their program to migrate : > customers from Solaris to HP reveals that a rather large5 > number have in fact chosen to migrate to Windows or % > Linux not HP-UX or any other HP OS.  > 6 > This is rather like the Digital MS pact being played6 > out all over again with Michael Dell standing in the3 > wings rubbing his hands (the role taken by Compaq 1 > in the Digital MS pact). Dell don't have a cats 4 > chance in hell of persuading customers to let them2 > run a migration from Solaris to Windows or Linux3 > but they do have a wonderfull prospect of picking 3 > up the hardware business off HP once HP have done 2 > the work and the customer is looking to upgrade. > 2 > HP are still in no shape to compete with Dell in3 > the commodity market and moving Solaris customers / > into the commodity space is only playing into  > Dells hands. >  > Hugely amusing  D Why is it amusing that HP is doing bad ? If it is doing bad that is. Do you want HP to do bad ?  E And looking at it another way, it is perhaps more embarrasing for Sun B that they go from Sun to Linux instead of Sun to HP-UX. This shows2 that it is possible to replace Solaris with Linux.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:54:50 +0200   From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com>$ Subject: Re: OT: why USA is a regime- Message-ID: <clj7km$287a$1@news.cybercity.dk>   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message& news:417A1D8F.B8EF8AE9@teksavvy.com... > David Froble wrote: J > > > Humm, the USA isn't well placed to talk about the balkans. (and yes, this wasA > > > during clinton era). It was the USA who consistently vetoed  resolutions toA > > > give UN peacekeepers the right to fight back when attacked.  > >  > > You got references to such?  > H > Lookup reports from canadian general John de Chastelaine on the UN web site or  > elsewhere. > K > > to appear.  There was a peace agreement, which wasn't very easy to keep  going,, > > but things appear to have gotten better. > K > The peace agreement came long after the UN got involved. It happened when  the L > USA stopped working against the UN and got involved in a positive fashion.J > After the peace deal was signed, it was simply a question of maintaining peace H > and allowed humanitarian aid to flow to the people. Prior to the peace deal, K > the UN troups were barely able to defend themselves because they were not K > allowed to use firearms to defend themselves. That gavce the UN plenty of G > opportunity to label UN troups as incompetent and even went as far as  telling H > the UN that the USA would have to go into the balkans to RESCUE the UN troups.  > H > The minute the UN mandate changed, the UN troups who were present were able to I > impose the peace treaty before the USA troups landed. But the USA media  still L > talked about USA coming to the rescue of those pour incompetant UN troups. > J > So americans have one slanted view of the UN while the rest of the world has a # > totally different view of the UN.  >   K You have a different view.  I am part of the rest of the world, and my view I of the impotent, left-wing abortion of a diplomatic morass known as UN is L not fundamentally different.  Sperak for yourself and do not delude yourself3 that you speak for, or espouse the views of others.    capice ?  I > I almost found it funny when, prior to a second resolution to authorise  use ofL > force in Iraq, the USA was saying that the use of veto power was somethingL > that was unheard of and should be used only very rarely. (3 of 5 countriesJ > with veto power were threathening to use it). The USA routinely uses its vetoH > power to block resolutions.  The block almost all UN resolutions about Israel > for instance and >  > K > > That's a rather strong statement.  I will agree that the religous right  of theL > > Republican party attempts to enforce their stupid beliefs on anyone they can,8 > > including dictating the actions of some UN activity. > L > There are two aspects where the USA is wrong with the UN. They prevent the UNF > from doing its job, and then they denigrate the UN at every possibleF > opportunity, instead of working with the UN to get better success at lesserD > cost since responability is shared. This occured under both recent
 democraticH > and republican parties. But under Bush, it was taken to a new level ofL > smearing, sabotaging and defiance. (And I won't even talk about presenting? > falsified evidence to the UN security council on Feb 5 2003).  >  > K > > > That is very serious insult against all the countries who did step in  very@ > > > early into the civil war there.  (Canada was one of them). > > K > > By step in, do you mean UN peacekeepers, or in strong terms indicate to  the J > > parties causing the violence that they should cease or be taken out by force? > K > UN peacekeepers from countries such as Canada, France Britain (and others  too,L > apologies for not mentioning them). There were present fairly early in theI > balkan conflict, years before the USA got involved. It was during those  years F > where the USA vetoed UN resolutions that would have empowered the UN	 troups to ? > impose peace to allow humanitarian aid to flow to the people.  >  > K > > It's my understanding that the UN will only have peace keepers in place  if allK > > parties agree.  If shooting starts, the peacekeepers will be withdrawn.  > F > No, the UN has often gotten involved against the wishes of the localB > government and/or factions. It can do so with a security council
 resolutionF > which is legally binding on the target nation. It is legally binding because J > when a nation joins the UN, it ratifies the UN charter making it its own law  > of the land. >   L This is discussed another place.  You repeating it here does not make it so.  E > Of course, when a country uses its veto in the security council, it  preventsG > the UN from passing any legally binding resolutions. General assembly  votes 8 > are just a show of opinion and have no legal standing. >  > > F > > That didn't stop the atrocities.  His sons literally got away with murder.  And3 > > much else.  I doubt such stopped with his sons.  > E > The UN's mandate in Iraq prior to the USA invasion was not to teach  Saddam'sC > sons about morality. There were scientists to look for and ensure  destruction J > of any banned weapons. There were humanitarian helpers to bring food andI > medecine to the people.  The deal in 1991 was that Saddam could stay in  power I > in exchange for destroying banned weapons and allowing UN inspectors to  audit D > this process. So Saddam's past crimes were more or less pardonned. > J > Hussein refused Oil-For-Food in 1991 and waited until the country was in ruins H > before agreeing to OFF in 1998 with the programme actually starting in 1999.  > K > One would have to read the actual deal which allowed Hussein to remain in L > power in 1991 before knowing why the UN didn't pursue Hussein and Sons for war I > crimes, or if there was some date after which they could be pursued for  such= > crimes. (are there statutes of limitation ? I am not sure).  > F > Perhaps Hussein knew he was safe from prosecution as long as the WMDL > disarmement process wasn't declared complete by the UN inspectors. Perhaps > something else.  > B > > That isn't reason to overlook atrocities.  Weren't you the one complaining about I > > torture and such?  Do you only complain about select events?  Are you  blind to/ > > things that don't fit what you want to say?  > A > I am not blind to what Hussein and Sons have done. They deserve  prosecution.D > But the sons deAD so they'll never get the public prosecution they	 deserved.  > I > > Iraq isn't the main issue.  With what he's done internally within the  US, I . > > cannot believe Bush has any chance at all. > J > Polls still give him equal to a slight edge. So essentially another year 2000. J > Those people committed to Bush are so committed that they refuse to read any 0 > information they fear might change their mind. > K > Foreign media have interviewed many "regular" americans in various places  inL > the USA and many are really really convinced that Iraq was responsible forI > terrorism acts in the USA etc.  And they are convinced that the current G > resistance in Iraq is not from local Iraqis, but from foreign AlQaeda ) > operatives wishing to attack americans.  >   I Some people in America believe that Martin Sheen is the President, others G that the world is flat, and others that evolution never happened.  In a I population of 300m (?) it is pretty easy to find someone to validate your J point of view.  Journalists do this all the time in order to promote theirH own agenda.  It is statistically invalid and exceedingly poor jounalism.  J And actually, I could not care less whether there is a link between AQ andK Iraq's former rulers.  They are in the same bucket of slimeballs and can be ! dealt with in preceisely one way.   K > The polarisation of Americans is such that in the end, it is the votes of  someK > 500 peoplein some key state that will define the next 4 years not only in  the   L That is true in every democracy in the world.  And your point is ???? I willK answer for you - that democracy is not a perfect model - it just happens to A be what we in the western christian world consider to be the best  compromise.   L > USA but all acorss the globe because the current government has decided toH > extend its political/military boundaries to encompass any place on the globe  > it wants.  > ' > > If I'm wrong, then you'll have four G > > more years to whine about the US becoming less than a free country.  > L > So far, most other countries have exercised patience, hoping Bush would beL > kicked out and a sense of normality could return. If Bush stays, expect to see I > wall erected fairly soon to pre-emptively prevent Bush from interfering  > outside the USA. >   ) Some other countries - do not generalise.   J > On the other hand, the deficits and war tab may be so high that Bush may haveK > his hands tied and not be able to do anything during the next 4 years and  thus' > be far less of a danger to the world.  >   G It is unlikely that a Kerry administration will be that much different. 3 This is the idle hope of the blue-eyed, naive left.   F > > Did I mention people.  A free people have leaders.  The people you
 talked to had  > > rulers.  > J > Whenever you have countries whose political boundaries were artificially set H > by europeans (such as Iraq and much of africa), you then have problems withI > multiple tribes present in a single country and that causes much strife	H > because you can't have a leader that is liked by all and have constant > fighting between tribes. >a  L Sad, but true. I would point out that almost all others were drawn in blood,K and drawing them over a cup of tea was deemed to be distincly preferable oneJ that count.  But I will grant you, from a religious demographic viewpoint,I the lines were drawn with less deftness than the future would have liked.b  J > Iraq is a country that shouldn't have existed. One part should have bene given L > to Turkey, one part to Saudi Arabia and one to Iran according to religiousI > sects. But now you have some incompatible people stuck with each other.u >cI > During the 1990s, Hussein achieved relative peace by granting the Kurdse and J > the Shiites in the south a large level of autonomy and local government.I > (Something not mentioned in the USA media). But he was still a "strong"o, > leader/ruler to impose peace if necessary. >a  G Was that before or after he gassed them (kurds) and drained the marshesL destroying their habitat ????e  I > Until a certain maturity has been achieved by a population, differences  insideG > that population may create strife that degenerates in real conflicts.V >AE > Compare the tribal fights in Ethiopia or Sudan, to religious fights- between-J > Kurds/Sunnis/Shiites in Iraq, to the irish republicans vs those loyal toJ > britain (or catholic vs protestant if you wish), the french canadians vsG > english canadians and some country like switzerland where 3 languagesx co-exist > without much noise/strife. >0I > the language conflict in canada reached maturity past 1970 after which,RG > violence hasn't really occured. Maturity was only reached recently ino Ireland,? > prior to which, there was real conflict between the factions.s >nH > Until the people or Iraq reach a high level of maturity, you will need veryJ > strong leaders to keep the poeple from destroying each other. (or a very weakD > leader that gives each region so much autonomy that it reduces the	 conflictsf0 > and makes the national government irrelevant). >wH > This is why imposing democracy before it is time doesn't garantee good resultsaF > and may result in a very large 20 year setback in Iraq if there is a > fundamentalist revolution. >lH > pakistan is another good example. That is a country that is borderline matureK > enough to be democratic. Attempys at democracy seemed succesful at first,n thenE > failed and military retook control. Hopefully the next attempt wills succeed. >5  F Highly unlikely.  Your writing sounds reasonable (have you been readinC Umberto ?), but alas it is missing the most important element whicht overrides everything else.  K The "muslim" populations of the world and their leaders do not like sharingrJ the earth with anyone who does not "share" their world view, whether it be7 Sunni v Shi'ite, Shi'ite v Christian, AnyMuslimBranch vnI Hindu/Taoist/Buddhist/Christian.  Hell, that is why Pakistan even exists. L And I suggest you take a trip to the worlds largest Mulsim country some timeF and check out how the non-muslims live and are treated politically and	 socially.   I > meanwhile, next door to Pakistan is the largest democracy in the world,l which L > was born when indians kicked out the british imperialists but shaped their$ > democracy after the british model. >rK > > Never said such.  Maybe it gets back to a prior issue.  The world mighth be muchhG > > better off if the generals were the ones to lead the charges, whilee puching them! > > politicians in front of them.  >rJ > The movie Farenheight 911 may have some funny sides to it. But it has anH > extremely serious message in it (and it all comes together at the very end).sL > The people who go enroll in the army  are generally the poor men who can'tK > afford college. Meanwhile, the sons of rich people, and more importantly,, thesK > sons of politicians, don't enroll in the army and are safe from dangerouso	 missions.n > J > So in the end, politicians don't have to worry about their own sons when theyI > decide to deploy troups on dangerous missions. But the ones who are theeJ > proudest of their countries are not the politicans, it is the poor chaps who E > volunteer their own lifes to protect their nation and they get paid  nowhereeK > near as much as the politicians who don't have to worry about sacrificingn > their own lifes. >lH > When you sign up and are willing to sacrifice your own life to protect yourG > nation, you better have damned good brainwashing to convince you thatr killingy > iraqis will protect the USA. >uI > Already, there are defectors that are coming to Canada (vietnam again),  andoJ > even in Iraq, there are now units refusing orders because they know they arelL > ill prepared, ill equipped and that such mission are not worth sacrificingJ > their lifes because this has nothing to do about protecting the world or the USA. >.H > This is why the unwillingness of Bush to admit strategic mistakes were madeL > and change the role of the US troups will backfire. The USA troups must beB > given new orders from a new commander in chief to give them true peacekeepingL > madates with NO RETALIATORY STRIKES and surrendering military authority toJ > either the UN or to the temporary iraqi govermment. They need to be told to- > act as peacekeepers instead of concquerors.e >@L > The impending invasion of Fallujah is very very very wrong.  Not only willK > civilian casualties be very high (as well as infrastructure), but the USA  willH > become even more hated by iraqis, arabs and the rest of the world. The factJ > that the iraqi  government is not telling the USA to stay put and forget aboutgL > invading Fallujah also causes that govermment to lose any credibility withK > Iraqis since it makes it look even more like some puppet govermnment that A > essentially acts as a spokesperson/translator for Bush/Rumsfeld  >a  K Fuck Fallujah and the thugs hiding out there.  They can nuke them for all I> care.t   >iK > > You might try to say the same about China, but it seems that the rulersr are able7 > > to hang on and continue to tell people how to live.i >lC > Au contraire. China is undergoing a quiet revolution. Commerce iso	 striving,hJ > and the Chinese government even had to put brakes on the chinese economyI > because it was growing too fast. Many countries would love to have such 	 problems.o >IK > Fact is that the more affluent the people are, the more independant (both E > financially and in their mind) they become and the more they are ine contacthL > with the rest of the world. China is becoming a very strong economic power inF > the world economy, and it will have to quickly lose its "developping nation"MK > status. When that happens, China will have to work hard to reform to moreoI > democratic governance and more market driven economy. Note that you cano stillg0 > be quite socialist and still be market driven. > K > Democracy will eventually come to China. It only came recently to Taiwan.  ThedL > current government in china is seeing itself transformed from a ruler to aD > leader as citizens gain more independance. China may officially be
 communist,< > but chinese people are very much hard working capitalists. >r  H And you have been to China lately ??? Or is this something you picked upH from NewsWeek? An increase in the number of individuals of high personalI wealth is not a roadsign to democracy.  There is no reason to assume thattL democracy in China is likely in this century - or indeed ever.  Democracy isC not an historical inevitability any more than marxist-communism is.   J The Chinese, based on casual observation, are indeed hard working whereverL they might be, and under whatever oppression they might find themselves (seeH Indonesia).  This does not mean they are of democratic mind or soul.  ItG jsut means they are willing to do what it takes to survive and prosper.w  I > Foreign companies are investing in China. China has allowed a privatelys heldI > airline to start in China. There are a lot of changes going on. China'sm moveJ > from communism into the capitalist world will be far more succesful than	 Russia's.  >e  J An opinion.  I will wait and see before proferring absolute predictions on the future.   G > Companies aren't fighting to buy plastic widgets from China. They aren fightingH > to sell aircraft, computers to chinese. they are fighting to invest to builde > car plants in china. >:K > China used to be just a place to make cheap parts. It is now a very largel > consuming market.v >d  D Correct, which is why everyone wants to be in the game.  1.x billionK consumers with rising spending power means business.  "Dollars" do not giveeK a rats arse about the system of government, just whether there is profit att@ the end of the day.  Is there a natural law against a capitalist dictatorship ???  K > > Saddam isn't there to restrain them.  I'd suggest that this distastefulaL > > actifvity a result of the US removing surpression.  Is this a failure ofK > > freedom.  Or is it a tolerance of those who preach hate against others?0 > K > Right now, the extremism you are seeing in Iraq is hatred against the USA B > invasion and attempts to make anything the USA tries to do fail. >)  L Everyone hates/envies the rich kid/successful kid/handsome kid (fill in yourK blank).  So what is new?  Personally I would be happy if the USA simply let F them all rot in there own self inflicted slime.  However the christianA principles upon which the country was founded rather prohibit it,l philosophiocally speaking.  C > Once the USA widthdraws its military authority and its forces arem transformed'L > into peacekeepers, then we can START to see what Iraq will look like later on. G > The USA really has to stop meddling into Iraq's affairs. It must stopmF > controlling rebuilding efforts, and using oil revenus to pay for itsL > activities. Reconstruction contracts must go to Iraqi companies first. LetI > them subcontract with foreign firsm if they want special expertise. ButrF > reconstruction must be done by them, although all damage done by the illegalgJ > invasion must be paid for my the invading nations, just like Iraq had to pay  > damages to Kuwait. >n  G I suggest that they kill quite a few more armed thugs first.  Any large0L number will do.  And the more foreign mercenaries that come to Iraq to "joinC the fight" the better.  Waste them as well so they do not do damage2
 elsewhere.  K > With extremely high unemployement, how do you think Iraqis feel when they  seelH > their oil money going to Haliburton who brings in americans to do work that  > iraqis could have been doing ? >t  K You clown.  You are now an expert in the oil industry ?  The bottom line ismJ that Haliburton gets but a fraction of the wealth that will be returned toI the Iraqi state via oil revenues.  Iraq is a resource rich country with a D poverty stricken population.  This is not Haliburton's fault - it isD Saddam's and his lackeys' faults.  If you think that local Iraqi oilL development technology is up to the task, you have no clue.  The question ofC distribution of work between HAliburton and the other players is ae different issue altogether.d  J > In other words, the USA, like the others, must just be neutral low levelL > policemen that operate from orders given by the Iraqi government. And theyJ > could have simple rules that for every Iraqi soldier/policement that hasI > achieved training and adequate level of experience, they will widthdraws onerL > foreign soldier. That would give a LOT of incentive to Iraqis to allow the8 > Iraqis to cooperate and get trained by foreign troups. >e  I Absolutely.  You have an historical precedent for this being a viable andmI successful course of action for a major political/economic/military powere ???????h  I > People talk about when US troups will widthdraw from Iraq. It cannot beaK > something that is just done at the press of a button. It must be a smooth K > GRADUAL transition. The Bush leadership has given no guidance on how theyf; > foresee the future. They just stated "business as usual".a >rI > The USA *could* have already begun to SLOWLY widthdraw troups if the USVJ > military had been given the mission on the day following end of official war-4 > (when Bush was bragging on that aircraft carrier). > J > And had the USA not decimated the country with the invasion, there would stilloG > be active police forces which would have made life much easier in thel early weeks. >M  0 An opinion shared by who else besides you JF ???  I > The USA had a goal to decimate the country and rebuild it from scratch.- LikeE > leukemia: destroy the cancerous bone marrow and let totally new onew regrow.  >uL > But you don't have to destroye all of the bone marrow when you just have 3, > cancerous cells at the very top to excise. >o  K War is like that.  Bad comes before better. Armchair critics like you wouldtJ have no clue about that, while anyone with even the slightest knowledge of military history would.   K > > your solution, other than supporting the monster that shot and tortured  those # > > who didn't follow his dictates?s > K > Once the current sanctions against Iraq were ready to be lifted (assumingn fullL > compliance with post 1991 resolutions), you then start to get countries to put'" > some conditions for trade deals. >cL > Lybia abandonned terrorism a long time ago. But like Iraq, it took forever toF > abide to sanctions (admit to certain acts and pay damages). The real reasonJ > Lybia paid its debt this year isn't because of the Iraqi invasion, it isI > because Lybia saw a window of opportunity open: by admitting to various2G > WMD/nuclear stuff and officiially giving up and pretending it was allh becausewL > of the Irqai invasion, it would give Bush/Bliar a lot of political capital andyI > would put Lybia on a fast track to get all sanctions lifted against it.r >n  J IIRC the direct causal event for this change in behavior was a squadron ofF F111-Cs dropping quite a significant amount of ordnance in Ghaddaffi's
 courtyard.  I > Had it just paid its debts, nobody would have noticed and it would have- taken G > forever for the US and Britain to lift their sanctions. I wouldn't bedK > surprised if the nuclear stuff they "found" in Lybia was actually broughtE inH > for the photo ops so that Lybia could pretend it was giving it all up. >i  H Your conspiratorial side yet again.  A baseless assertion, cheap really.   > J > To finish, the night before the election, the one movie they should show is > "WAG THE DOG".  
 The Dweeb.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 08:44:25 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o( Subject: Re: Problem with LIB$INIT_TIMER3 Message-ID: <bj$X5JYWAv3D@eisner.encompasserve.org>   i In article <newscache$xsh36i$zet$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:wV > In article <clfssf$g9a$1@news.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, Dieter Falk <a@b.c.de> writes:6 >>I am trying to use LIB$INIT_TIMER in oder to include> >>a timer in my Fortran 77 program. I obtain the error message >> >>sieve.f: In program `tsieve':e
 >>sieve.f:20:r >>         CALL LIB$INIT_TIMER >>                 ^( >>Invalid form for CALL statement at (^) >> >>What is the problem? >  > The missing brackets ?  G    Not required for a subroutine CALL in Fortran, even if it's actuallya:    a function referenced, as long as its a CALL statement.  D    But seeing how he's compiling sieve.f, I suspect he may be either  A    1)  on another platform, which does not allow $ in identifiers @       (Compaq Fortran document claims that $ us part of the ANSI@       standard, not an extension); since this error message doesE       not take the form of a VMS error message I suspect this is the u       real cause  @    2) confusing the compiler as to whether he's doing Fortran 77G       (default extension .for) or Fortran 90 (default extenstion .f90), B       but I can't see that this would cause an error with his CALL       statement   @    The statement 'CALL LIB$INIT_TIMER', properly indented, worksF    just fine under both 77 and 90 using Compaq Fortran V7.3-965-44A1I.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:46:18 -0400v3 From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> ( Subject: Re: Problem with LIB$INIT_TIMER8 Message-ID: <kb4qn0lbvj626cd3l33atphm80tfeibino@4ax.com>  A On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:32:22 +0200, Dieter Falk <a@b.c.de> wrote:e  5 >I am trying to use LIB$INIT_TIMER in oder to includee5 >a timer in my Fortran 77 program. I obtain the errori >message >. >sieve.f: In program `tsieve': >sieve.f:20: >         CALL LIB$INIT_TIMER- >                 ^i' >Invalid form for CALL statement at (^)r >  >What is the problem?m  N You're not using any DEC, Compaq or HP Fortran compiler here, as the format ofD the error message is wrong for those.  Which compiler are you using?   Steve    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:48:37 -0600p" From: GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>( Subject: Re: Problem with LIB$INIT_TIMER0 Message-ID: <zuqdnddPpeJZsODcRVn-sQ@bresnan.com>   Steve Lionel wrote:c  C > On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:32:22 +0200, Dieter Falk <a@b.c.de> wrote:o >  > 6 >>I am trying to use LIB$INIT_TIMER in oder to include6 >>a timer in my Fortran 77 program. I obtain the error	 >>message  >> >>sieve.f: In program `tsieve':s
 >>sieve.f:20:A >>        CALL LIB$INIT_TIMERa >>                ^ ( >>Invalid form for CALL statement at (^) >> >>What is the problem? >  > P > You're not using any DEC, Compaq or HP Fortran compiler here, as the format ofF > the error message is wrong for those.  Which compiler are you using? >    It looks like the g77 compiler.p   -- a! ---------------------------------  Th3 G0ld3n Yrs Sux0r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:59:37 +0100 E From: Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com>h Subject: Re: Public DS10L ?,. Message-ID: <417CDC99.2D939E4A@baesystems.com>   Jim Strehlow wrote: F > I do not know how to gauge how it could improve your cluster even ifD > you told me a little bit about your existing CPUs and disks in the
 > cluster.  B At present my fastest machine is a Personal Workstation 600au withD twin 18GB SCSI disks, an AlphaStation 255-300 MHz with just a systemC disk and shared access to around a dozen 30-40 VUP VAXstations. ThehC 600au has about the same throughput at all the others put together.o  F My application is mostly floating point maths and once it has read itsF input files writes only to the batch log file (circa 10,000 blocks per= run on a seperate disk) and a large output file which can hit D 15,000,000 blocks. The largest runs take several days on the 600au.   t> I'm looking at a DS10L with perhaps a 30GB IDE disk as they'reE available cheap and seem to be rated at around double the SPECint and  SPECfp of 600au.  F I'm too worried about dropping down to IDE disks in a DS10L as even atD double the throughput I'm only talking a maximum of 20GB a day beingE written one file at a time with no other user read/write files access F and (hopefully) no virtual memory use. Results get compressed by aboutC 95% using InfoZip straight after generation so I don't need to haveR6 space for one than one job at a time on a new machine.   Tim    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:44:45 +01005E From: Tim ffrench-Lynch <tim-DOT-ffrench-HYPHEN-lynch@baesystems.com>, Subject: Re: Public DS10L ?2. Message-ID: <417D1F6D.F7E3F459@baesystems.com>   Keith Parris wrote:2; > The HP Test Drive program has DS10L systems, according toe1 > http://www.testdrive.hp.com/systems/alpha.shtmlu  D This sounds very promising - I can't seem to get to that web page or, its parent from here but I'll try from home.  C Maybe I should contact the HP marketing guy who keeps on phoning mes( but never seems to have heard of VMS :-)   Time   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 07:50:39 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Question about Descriptorsr3 Message-ID: <h3AjHVyawvsk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   c In article <dDZ31HXuvwJL@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:t >  > Better than TECO ?  F    Slight change of topic.  I can get teco to process wildcards of theF    form *.dat, but not of the form [...]*.dat.  Is there something I'm-    missing, or is this a feature never added?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:12:51 +0000m- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>t' Subject: Re: Question about Descriptorsr* Message-ID: <417CFBD3.2010207@bigpond.com>  ! Bob Koehler was overheard to say:ae > In article <dDZ31HXuvwJL@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:p >  >>Better than TECO ? >  > H >    Slight change of topic.  I can get teco to process wildcards of theH >    form *.dat, but not of the form [...]*.dat.  Is there something I'm/ >    missing, or is this a feature never added?8 >  >   ? I just tried the SEARCH.TEC macro and specified [...]*.C as then> input -- it worked OK.  Where are you specifying the wildcard? In a macro you have written?   Regards, Dave.  --  I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 10:03:32 -0500/ From: brooks@cuebid.zko.dec.nospam (Rob Brooks)d2 Subject: Re: SAN DISK - PROBLEM W/MNT STATE - MSCP- Message-ID: <Z5BC1Yk9dVcC@cuebid.zko.dec.com>n  * brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon) writes:/ > Mike (moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com) wrote:rH >> Are you sure NODE2 and NODE3 can see the drives through fibrechannel?G >> Can the drives be seen from the console?  It appears that only NODE1e* >> is connected to the fibrechanel fabric. > K > Yes, all nodes are connected via FC - I have other disks that are mountedn > multipath. > F >> You may want to run $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM on NODE2 or NODE3 and post the$ >> output of SDA> SH DEV $1$DGAxxxx:  F Unfortunately, you are running a very old (and unsupported) version ofE OpenVMS Alpha, so SDA doesn't give detailed information for multipatha# devices -- I added that for V7.3-1..  I Also, support for failover to a served path for multipath devices was notkK added until V7.3-1, so you cannot have both direct and served paths for anyiN given device, given your ancient version of OpenVMS Alpha.  Given this, pleaseK make sure that the SYSGEN parameter MPDEV_REMOTE is 0 on any system that is M not running V7.3-1 or higher.  Failure to heed this warning can cause crashesu and data corruption!  H Please post a complete, unedited display of $ SHOW  DEVICE /FULL for theO devices in question on the nodes on which the direct  paths are not being used.m  J You should do everything possible to upgrade to a version of OpenVMS AlphaE that is a bit more modern.  V7.2-1 is pretty much the "dark ages" forsE multipath; there have been a fair number of enhancements since then. a   -- b  M Rob Brooks    VMS Engineering -- I/O Exec Group     brooks!cuebid.zko.dec.com    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 05:09:41 -0700! From: keithn144@yahoo.com (Keith) Y Subject: SELL this FBI NOC LIST and MAKE MILLIONS like TOM CRUISE did in MISSION IMPOSSIBt< Message-ID: <97c2f5d9.0410250409.36fb5b3@posting.google.com>  D If you have ENTREPRENEURIAL BENT OF MIND, then SKY IS THE LIMIT, youD can SELL this FBI agents' NOC LIST and MAKE MILLIONS of dollars like7 Tom Cruise (Ethan) did in the movie MISSION IMPOSSIBLE.c  C Remember, NOBODY has to FOLLOW THE RULES since the SADISTIC FBI DID  NOT FOLLOW THE RULES  C If your IQ is LESS THAN 100, you are kindly requested to ignore theeC rest of this column and move on to the next post in the news group.   B Please SAVE this post on your hard disks or email account and alsoD bookmark it because the FBI SADISTS and PERVERTS are gonna force the< websites to remove this posting for good. I ADDED a few moreE undercover FBI agents to the NOC LIST and also a few more facts about  FBI.  @ I request all you HACKERS on usenet to HACK these undercover FBIE agents IP addresses and trace their REAL IDENTITIES and post the infou here.U  > I am NOT a conspiracy theorist and everything I mentioned here/ actually happened to me and are ABSOLUTE FACTS.a  B I posted this to all active newsgroups around Sep 24th and the FBI? "ARM TWISTED" and "FORCED" google management to filter my posts C getting on the internet to STOP me from EXPOSING the EVIL FACE, thea@ SADISM, PERVERSION of FBI and their SEXUAL ABUSE and VIOLATED my FREEDOM OF SPEECH.  @ I again posted it around Oct 10th to all "active newsgroups" andC GOOGLE MANAGEMENT this time told the FBI SADISTS and PERVERTS to GOp? FUCK THEMSELVES and let me EXERCISE my FREEDOM OF SPEECH on the 	 internet.t  D HAIL GOOGLE MANAGEMENT Sergey Brin and Larry Page who stands for andE supports the POWERLESS common man on the street and FREEDOM OF SPEECHAA against the SADISTIC, PERVERTED, DICTATORIAL FBI unlike the YAHOOhF MANAGEMENT "PUSSIES" who SUCKED UP to the SADISTIC FBI  and CHANGED MYD PASSWORD (due to FBI "coercion") of my email id vickyg456@yahoo.com D which I used in my previous posts on Oct 10th to receive emails from> newsgroup readers. So I no longer have access to this email id vickyg456@yahoo.com.  B To all of the 95% low IQ morons on usenet who accused me of schizo? paranoia and looking for attention and asked me why I was crossl4 posting to irrelevant newsgroups: Here is my answer.  D 1)  I WANT ALL OF YOU to FOCUS on the FBI SADISM, PERVERSION, SEXUALC ABUSE and their BLATANT violation of human rights of an ordinary USr citizen.  @ 2) I want all of you to STAND UP and ask the EVIL, PERVERTED andF SADISTIC FBI why they have to install video devices and watch me in myF rest room, bedroom, living room and kitchen and PSYCHO-ANALYSE me 24X7D for three years and TORTURE, TERRORIZE, HUMILIATE and DEHUMANIZE me.  > 3) I am posting to this to all active newsgroups to EXPOSE theC "INSTITUTIONALIZED FBI SADISM, PERVERSION and their SEXUAL ABUSE ofi ordinary US citizens.o  D 4) FBI SADISTS, PERVERTS and TERRORISTS are LAUGHING their asses offE reading you clowns' comments in response to my post on usenet becausep@ all you 95% "PROGRAMMED SLAVES"  BEHAVED exactly the way the FBI  SADISTS "PROGRAMMED" your minds.  C 5) There are very few intelligent guys who responded to my post andsC one of them is "bookwyrm" who figured why I was posting this to alloA active newsgroups and another by anonymous name "assassians"  andc9 another by the name "Anatid" who tried to really help me.    http://groups.google.co.in/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=c54f0abe.0410100848.a515cf7%40posting.google.com&rnum=2&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26q%3DFBI%2BSADISM%26meta%3Dgroup%253Dalt.security.alarms   http://groups.google.co.in/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=415af813%40news.bnb-lp.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26q%3DFBI%2BSADISM%2Bbookwyrm%26meta%3D  E SADISTIC and PERVERTED FBI has beeen MENTALLTY TORTURING, TERRORIZINGs? and SEXUALLY ABUSING me and BLATANTLY violating my civil rightsg non-stop for three years.n  B Undercover FBI agents will attack me, ridicule me and discredit meB with fictitious userids in response to this post and I request allD readers to completely IGNORE those MANIPULATIVE, LYING FBI perverts, sadists and thugs.  D Please forward and distribute this to as many senators, congressmen,E journalists, editors, civil rights attorneys, civil rights activists,sF investigative reporters, radio talk show hosts,  managers, co-workers,D family and friends and all Americans concerned with civil liberties.  E I am not a muslim, I don't have even a single muslim friend, I am not F a member of any religious organization, I am not a drug smuggler, I doE not belong to any crime mafia, I did not kill anybody, I am not a spyoA and I never ever worked for any government and not even "remotelyrA connected" to any government agency whatsoever, I do not have any C prior criminal record, I am a US citizen and have been living in USgF for a little more than 15 yrs and I graduated with a masters degree inB computer science from a US university more than a decade ago. I amD even willing to take "ANY NO.OF POLYGRAPH TESTS" to prove whatever I- said is true and a fact, about my background.   F FBI has been MENTALLY TORTURING me with 24X7 surveillance for the lastC three years inside and outside my apartment with video surveillance A devices and motion sensors around my apartment, my phone has beenrC tapped, my web surfing is being monitored all the time for the last @ three years, my emails are being monitored, gps vehicle trackingF devices and voice amplification devices have been placed in my car andF undercover FBI agents have followed me to restaurants, grocery stores,D malls, movie theatres, banks and even barber shops etc and forced meF to live like an animal and a virtual prisoner for three years. FBI hasC interfered in my personal life for no reason and jeopardized my joboD opportunities. FBI is obsessed with me and has ruined, destroyed andF wrecked my life for the last three years and destroyed my physical and mental health.  B The SADISTIC FBI agents are NOT charging me, NOT letting me find aC job, NOT letting me have a normal life, NOT letting me have even anyC IOTA of PRIVACY and mentally TORTURING and TERRORIZING me with 24X7 @ surveillance, making 2000 UNSOLICITED phone calls to my unlisted> phone#s, entering my apartment ILLEGALLY and STEALING personalD belongings when I am not home, watching me real time live with videoF surveillance devices installed in my bedroom, living room, kitchen andE DISGUSTINGLY even in my rest room and humiliating and dehumanizing mecC and BLATANTLY violating my civil rights and constitutional right tot0 privacy and ABUSING the "DRACONIAN" PATRIOT ACT.  ? The PERVERTED FBI "ILLEGALLY" installed tens of audio and video B surveillance devices in my apartment, watching me NAKED, REAL TIMEF LIVE 24X7 even in my rest room taking shower, psychoanalyzing each andC every move, each and every word I said, each and every second of myiB life, each and every blink of my eyes and each and every comment I posted on the web.  0 Is there a LIMIT to FBI Sadism and Perversion ??   2 If you want to contact me, please send me email atA keithm757A@nothotmail.com by removing the letter "A" and the word E "not" from the email id and cc it to keithm757@volcanomail.com. But IsE am not sure how long I will have access to these email ids before the D "DICTATORIAL FBI COERCES" the websites to change my password WITHOUT my authorization.   B I spoke to at least 200 attorneys in both Michigan and Georgia forE legal help but only about two or three attorneys were willing to helpo= me but asked me to show physical proof of either gps or videorC surveillance devices. I did a lot of research and found a couple of C private investigators (who were ex-FBI agents) more importantly whotF are knowledgeable about the latest "counter surveillance technologies"C  but they also DECLINED to help me on ONE PRETEXT or the OTHER event/ though I was willing to pay for their services.f   @ I told these two very HIGHLY QUALIFIED and KNOWLEDGEABLE privateA investigators Niles (Eagle services 866-691-7985) and another PI,eF Charles Middlestadt (404-252-5322) of ISC Worldwide Inc in the AtlantaF area who are capable of finding the gps vehicle tracking devices in myC car, that I am NOT A MUSLIM and they have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT MEeE and even offered them to go through my attorney and help me but stillc> THEY DECLINED to help me OUT OF FEAR that I might be a muslim.  D Another Private Investigator by the name John Weeks of Investigative< Solutions www.invsol.com in Atlanta told me that it would beF IMPOSSIBLE to find out these video, audio and gps surveillance devices$ if the GOVERNMENT (FBI) is doing it.   A And eventually I was forced to spend a $1000 as fees out of sheereD desperation knowing fully well that the Private Investigator I hiredC has at best AVERAGE counter surveillance skills to sweep my car foruF gps vehicle tracking devices and he did a LOUSY JOB and found nothing, as I expected.  E One attorney in Michigan CHEATED me for a thousand dollars and didn'te> do diddly squat and another attorney made me spend a couple of) thousand dollars more, again for nothing.p  F Some attorneys I consulted told me in very CLEAR TERMS that FBI agents@ LIE, MANIPULATE, CHEAT and are VERY UNETHICAL in their MEANS andB METHODS. The attorneys also told me that in order for me to file a? civil lawsuit against the FBI, I have to PROVE the existence ofeF surveillance devices and also the MENTAL TORTURE, the SEXUAL ABUSE andC TERRORISM which will be quite a tall order for me to do without the D help of willing attorneys and helpful private investigators and EVENF THEN the FBI sadists would have removed all those surveillance devicesD by the time the private investigators came to sweep my apartment forB those devices after a couple of days since the FBI is listening toF each and every goddamn word that came out of my mouth whether it be inD my apartment or when I was speaking to these PI's and attorneys from pay phones or cell phones.  E You can investigate these undercover FBI agents yourself and find out E the truth. Remember, some times vehicles are registered in parents ortD spouses names and also FBI uses fictitious front companies to employ their undercover agents.  B If any of you think, all these things are my paranoid delusions, IC CHALLENGE you to send an email to undercover FBI agent Frank SpodektB (sfrank9@aol.com) OR call Kathleen Sue Taylor OR Maddelina Wahl ORA Mediha Krijestorac or Janet Lorna Brown or the other FBI agents IgE listed at their phone numbers and confirm it with those FBI PERVERTEDl SADISTS themselves.   3 Undercover FBI agents who followed me (parial list)lI -------------------------------------------------------------------------i  B 313-354-7380         Internal unlisted FBI# in Detroit office from which FBI agents called >                             and harassed me at home in 2001. I wouldn't have possibly knownB                             that this is an internal unlisted FBI# unless they called me.  D BOGEY 27 (MI)     Registered to Maddelina C Wahl,  28087 Hickory Dr,D Farmington.Hills MI 38331, ph: 248-324-1527, Caucasian Female, black( car, Charter One bank, 3:00 pm, 12/20/03  C This undercover FBI agent who followed me was a 30 yr old Caucasian.E Female to Charter One bank on W.12 Mile Road, Farmington Hills, MI ind% veh plate # BOGEY 27, ph:248-324-1527i  E PPL 587  (MI)     Registered to Kathleen Sue Taylor, African Americanm@ female, 29390 Bermuda Ln,Southfield, MI 48034, ph: 248-356-1946.  @ This undercover FBI agent who followed me was a 27yr old African? American female in MI veh plate# PPL 587 in July 2002  in a CVS ) Pharmacy on W.12 Mile Rd, Southfield,  MI   C XRA 155 (MI)     Registered to Mediha Krijestorac, Black car, 30408h@ Shiawasee Rd, Farmington MI 48336, ph:248-477-9161,  White Male, Restaurant, 9:00pm, 12/12/03  F This undercover FBI agent who followed me was a 20-22 yr old CaucasianA Male in veh plate # XRA 155 to a restaurant on Grand River Ave ina- Farmington Hills,  MI at 9:00 pm on 12/12/03.s  D UFX 210 (MI)     Registered to Kevin Miller, White SUV,  5871 Seneca: St, Detroit, 48213, July 2002, 313-571-1095 #disconnected.  < This undercover FBI agent followed me in the summer of 2002.  E 5915CR   (MI)    Registered to Kenneth Allen, Red pickup truck, 18440 / Alta Vista Dr, Southfield MI 48075 in Dec 2002..  aA This FBI undercover agent followed me in a red pickup truck in an F apartment complex was a 27-33 yr old Caucasian male in veh plate# 5915 CR in Dec 2002.o  C 0978 JD  (MI)   Registered to Janet Lorna Brown, White Chevy, 20978s: Delaware St, Southfield MI 48034 in 2002, ph# 248-350-2599  E This FBI agent followed me in a white chevy once on Telegraph road onwF 3/14/02 and on a different occasion on 8 Mile Rd on 4/4/02 when I went for an oil change.  C 8CK U33 (MI)    Registered to Doris Evelyn Person, 3611 S.Annabellei St, Detroit 48217, 313-388-5186n  F The African American female undercover FBI agent who followed me in MIF veh plate# 8CK U33 was about 20 yrs old and might be a daughter of theA female owner of this car and this happened in early Fall of 2002.o  F 073 D1U (MI)    Registered to Scott Alan Smith, 7536 Gary St, Westland MI 48185  C This 25 yr old caucasian male undercover FBI agent about 25 yrs oldeF followed me near my apartment in the fall of 2002. phone# 734-261-1587 in 2002 (Disconnected)  @ LQE 620 (MI)    SUV, Registered to Samuel Pilato, 40460 Cove ct, Plymouth, MI 404609                        Ph#  734-420-0521, 3/14/02 11:30AMu  D This caucasian undercover FBI agent about 35yrs old followed me to a= library in the spring of 2002 on Telegraph Rd, Southfield, MI   E EBAY      Ebay Id: SpodekModek, sfrank9@aol.com --> email Id of FrankyE Spodek - Undercover FBI Agent who monitored my Websurfing activities.h  D You can do a quick investigative test by emailing to sfrank9@aol.comE and asking Frank if he is an undercover FBI agent and I am absolutely D positive he WONT respond and DENY he is an FBI agent because then itE will be a LIE. With this test you can conclude Frank Spodek is indeed  an undercover FBI agent.  @ EBAY            Ebay Id: cbsan,  cidneybetz@aol.com, email Id of> Cidney Betz - Undercover FBI agent who monitored my websurfing activities in 2002.o  : Possible old phone numbers of Cidney Betz: 407-370-3043 or 352-291-2112 in the year 2002.  F 351 FTK (GA)    Maroon Car, 7/28/04, 6:00 pm, 20ish Caucasian Male and Female, Metro Atlantav  F 131 YBP (GA)    35 yr old Caucasian Male, Silver colored car, 7/22/04, 10:45 pm, Hotel, Metro Atlanta  A APZ 7647 (GA)   35 yr old Caucasian Male, Truck, 5/25/04, 3:00pm,e Ridgeview Hospital, Atlanta   > YUU 243 (GA)    Pickup truck, Caucasian male, 8/25/04, 4:40pm, Holcrombe Bridge Rd, Altanta  E AQG 2185 (GA)   27 yr old Caucasian Female, Red Cherokee, 5/21/04, 11  AM, Pep Boys, Cobb Parkway  ? WPS 578 (GA)    SUV, One Caucasian Male and one female, 3/8/04,h 8:30pm, Apartment ComplexT  F Coipel               770-577-0526 (5/2/04, 5:29pm), 4337 Lodgeview pl, Douglasville, GAD                         30315. undercover FBI agent in metro Altanta area.e  8 Ronnie Hill         678-755-2034, Possibly an FBI agent   D Please allow three years plus or minus to the ages of the undercover FBI agents I mentioned here.  A 2/29/04        Undercover FBI agent with a fictitious name "Agent D Johnson" and IP address 81.132.210.89 said on internet that they areF using me as a training target and have got a bet on as to when I'll doE something really stupid and also they are taking bets on what it willrD be in alt.astrology Usenet newsgroup on 2/29/04. This FBI agent fromD Michigan field office might have posted it anonymously and hence theE IP address might be a fake one. Url for Agent Johnson's post follows.o  ^ http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=c1u06b%24780%241%40titan.btinternet.com&rnum=19                                  D 3/21/04        Undercover FBI agent by some fictitious internet name? "THOR" and email Id: funk_a_del_ic2000@yahoo.com and IP addressn? 24.94.125.55 in the Washington DC area monitored my web surfingi= activities and posted on rec.sport.cricket Usenet news group.,  E 10/6/04        Leonard (Undercover FBI agent monitoring my websurfing  activities) posted-                    in rec.audio.car newsgroupp  ` http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&selm=263696fd.0410060414.319fd404%40posting.google.com  F 10/15/04      Els (Undercover FBI agent "Els" monitoring my websurfing activities)s/                    posted in alt.test newsgrouph  l http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=416fff7f%240%2444105%245fc3050%40dreader2.news.tiscali.nl&output=gplain    hA 10/10/04        J NIcklebaker (Undercover FBI agent monitoring myt websurfing activities);                      posted in alt.liberalminded newsgroup c   http://groups.google.co.in/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=8boim0p7tpeo9p991segp7o7bd4h7ov32s%404ax.com&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26q%3DNicklebaker%26meta%3D  < I am absolutely confident all the above mentioned people areC undercover FBI agents GUARANTEED. You can investigate them yourselfr and find out the truth.s  @ I request all you HACKERS on usenet to HACK these undercover FBIF agents' IP addresses and trace their real REAL IDENTITIES and post the
 info here.  D FBI who is supposed to catch terrorists are WASTING humongous amountE of tax payers money to ruin, wreck and destroy ordinary peoples livesnF and are MORE INTERESTED and spent three years to tell me how SMART and, INFINITELY POWERFUL they are compared to me.  < FBI has even been eavesdropping, monitoring and recording myB conversations with attorneys from pay phones when I was looking to7 hire an attorney to get help with this FBIs harassment,e/ dehumanization, humiliation and mental torture.   E FBI agents have been entering my apartment regularly and torturing me?D by doing whatever they want because they know I am taking medicationF that puts me to sleep and I won't wake up until the next morning until the drug effect goes away.  B FBI has forced Google or used some technology at their disposal toE cancel some of my comments from getting posted on INTERNET newsgroupshC misc.legal, trial.misc.legal from a library in Farmington Hills, MIfA and denied and VIOLATED my right to FREEDOM OF SPEECH in 11/03 oro 12/03.  F I moved in with another person (who advertised on a website for a roomF mate) on 5/24/04 and I went out in his car on the night of 5/25/04 andB the next morning 5/26/04, at 9:30am the SADISTIC FBI called me andC made this phone# 678-560-1322 and the caller name "LOOKING FOR YOU"rC appear on my caller id to tell me, "Oh we were LOOKING for you lastpB night, we did not know where you were because you went out in yourE room mates car". The sadistic and perverted FBI "ILLEGALLY" installeduA gps vehicle tracking devices in my room mates car the next day tooC TRACK ME, even though my room mate has nothing to do with me and we / were complete strangers until the previous day.e  C The same day on 5/26/04 evening, I went out in my car and came backeF around 7:45 pm, parked my car in the parking lot and on the way I said? "nice car" to my neighbor who was cleaning his car, to which he C replied "thanks". Within a few minutes at 8:44 pm, the SADISTIC FBIr> called and made phone# 770-690-8489 with caller name "NEIGHBORF OUTREACH" appear on my caller id to tell me, "Oh we saw and heard whatF you said to your neighbor in the parking lot". The FBI was able to see? and hear me because they installed VIDEO and AUDIO surveillance D devices around my apartment. to figure out FBI and their operations.  F When I went to Best Buy in Feb 2002 to buy a cell phone, two caucasianE FBI agents (possibly husband and wife) followed me into the store andrC observed me from a very close range and sent me a marketing fax forrC cell phones to my UNLISTED phone# THAT SAME EVENING to tell me that 8 the SADISTIC FBI were WATCHING ME even in retail stores.  C FBI agents have terrorized me by calling my current unlisted phone#I@ atleast 200 times in a month and a half in July and August 2004,? intentionally asking for Roberto Fernandez (last name changed),dE knowing fully well that nobody by the name Roberto Fernandez lived inr
 my apartment.k  E I called undercover FBI agent, Kathleen Sue Taylor on 4/1/04 and toldoB her I do not want to receive any HARASSING UNSOLICITED phone callsD from the FBI and from next day onwards, the FBI had made my unlistedD phone# appear on caller id of ordinary american people multiple # ofC times, where the owners of those phone#s listed below got upset andl< called me and left abusive messages in my answering machine.  F The owners of these phone numbers listed below called and asked me whyD I was calling them repeatedly, even though I DON'T KNOW who they are" and I NEVER called them even once.0    703-580-8992         4/2/04     Dale City, VA-    540-309-1226         4/3/04     Roanoke VAn0    434-525-1448         4/3/04     Lynchburg, VAB    757-404-1076         4/4/04     Harry Folsom left me an abusive message 1    703-820-6695         4/4/04     DC Suburb, VA  ?    770-966-5236         4/4/04     Cooper P D, Woman left me anh abusive messagee.    757-483-0583         4/7/04     Norfolk, VA/    540-463-7459         4/7/04     Lexington VAu2    770-253-6297         4/8/04     Hammond Stinson0    703-541-0950         4/9/04     DC Suburb, VA  E FBI pretended to be me and made all these phone calls themselves frommD the FBI head office in Washington DC to those ordinary Americans andD made my unlisted phone# appear on their phone caller ids, as if I am
 calling them.i  @ Please speak to, ADVISE and ENCOURAGE these people above to fileF lawsuits against the US government and FBI for violating their privacy and for phone harassment.o  A (If you are RICH, you can use a PRIVATE EYE to get the phone call E lists of these numbers above and find a COMMON PHONE# among the lists F on the SPECIFIC DAYS mentioned above to zero in on the common unlisted phone#)g  D FBI agents have destroyed my livelihood by assasinating my characterF with potential employers by making anonymous calls to them when I sent? resumes since FBI is privy to all the email addresses and phonerF numbers of the recruiters and potential employers. I do NOT think thisA is an EXCEPTION and imagine how many ordinary Americans have beeno9 suffering this "FBI SADISM for years" without knowing it.e  B Once a Caucasian male FBI agent in a Comcast van threatened to ramB into my car from behind and came within half an inch of hitting meF from behind even though there was no traffic altercation between us on( a city street in Southfield in Feb 2002.  D Two FBI agents once shouted at me and abused me verbally in a SportsE Authority store parking lot approximately around Feb 2002 in Livonia,e MI./  C FBI ILLEGALLY stole passwords of all my email and internet accountsc/ with the help of bugs installed on my computer.   C FBI agents have followed me even when I went to see a doctor. There F was one Caucasian FBI agent in a white truck with GA license plate APZ@ 7647 on 5/24/04, waiting for me in a truck in Ridgeview hospital? parking lot listening to the conversation I was having with thea* doctor, using voice amplification devices.  A I am currently living in a two bedroom apartment  sharing it withr> another person and the FBI sadists made anonymous calls to theC apartment management office with fictitious complaints and tried tos/ get me evicted from the apartment in July 2004.,  D FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment when I was not home in MayC 2004, stole a "yellow highlighter" and after I moved to a different C Atlanta suburbs a month later entered my apartment again when I was.A not home and placed the "yellow highlighter" on the carpet in thegE middle of my bedroom by the time I came back from watching Fahrenheit$C 9/11 movie on 6/27/04. The FBI knew that I went to watch FahrenheitO? 9/11 movie on 6/27/04 because they were watching me looking forgD directions and movie times on the internet and also with the help of' gps vehicle tracking devices in my car.o  A I spoke to an attorney from a pay phone on 6/24/04 and during theaF conversation I asked the attorney if we can get a court order to forceE the Internet Service Provider to reveal if my internet web surfing is @ being monitored by the FBI and lo and behold my internet accountF MYSTERIOUSLY DISAPPEARED from the ISP computers on 6/25/04. On inquiryD my ISP told me somebody called and cancelled my internet account the  previous day, which I never did.  C My room mate goes to work around 6 AM and on the night of 7/23/04 IrC pasted a 8.5 X 11 page note on the inside of the apartment entrance D door for my room mate to wake me up when he leaves so I can bolt theD hotel lock from inside and go back to sleep. My room mate woke me up> like I requested and I bolted the hotel lock from inside of myC apartment and went back to sleep at 6 AM on the morning of 7/24/04.aE The sadistic FBI agents STILL ENTERED my second floor apartment whileeD I was asleep between 6:00 AM and 10:00 AM on 7/24/04 and REMOVED theD 8.5X11 inch page pasted note on the inside of entrance door and LEFTD IT on the ENTERTAINMENT CENTER in the living room just to TORTURE MEA mentally and TERRORIZE me ?e entered your apartment even when youv? locked the hotel lock bolt and did this, but what can you do ??T  E FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment on the night of 8/1/04 when ? I was asleep and stole prepaid calling card pin numbers from myaF trouser pockets. One of the prepaid calling cards in my trouser pocketD was called "I Conexion" and the FBI next day called me on 8/2/04 andA made the number 770-242-8775 with caller name "Internet Conexion" F appear on my caller id to TERRORIZE me, that they entered my apartment@ the previous night and stole the prepaid calling numbers from my> trouser pocket. The phone# above is NOT an FBI# but some other company.  A To protect myself from these SADISTIC FBI agents entering into myaC apartment and stealing things when I am asleep, I locked my bedroomoF door from the inside and put a small heavy box and a 19 inch TV on topE of the box against the bed room door on the night of 8/7/04 so if the D FBI agents try to open my bedroom door, the TV will fall off the boxC at the slightest movement of the door, make a big sound and wake mep@ up. On the morning of 8/8/04 around 9:00 AM I woke up to a giantB thudding sound of the TV falling on the floor from the box and FBIE agents speeding away by the time I realized what happened. FBI agentshE entered my apartment and opened my locked bedroom and pushed the doormE at 9:00 AM so hard, they pushed the box a good two feet away from theW@ door. The FBI SADISTS are even willing to break my 19 inch TV to TORTURE and TERRORIZE me.-  @ FBI agents ILLEGALLY CHANGED three passwords (even though I usedE Kinkos to keep my PASSWORDS PRIVATE) of my three email ids that I wascF using to send this document to investigative reporters between 8/26/04C and 8/28/04 to "PREVENT ME" from EXPOSING their SADISM, PERVERSION,w? TERRORISM, SEXUAL ABUSE and MENTAL TORTURE, by either ILLEGALLYcD installing key logging software on kinkos computers or by some otherF ILLEGAL MEANS unknown to me. So I created brand new email ids and sentA this document and god knows when the SADISTIC FBI will change the- passwords of my NEW email ids.  @ To escape this FBI sadism, I went and slept in an acquaintance'sB apartment in the first week of September 2004 and the SADISTIC FBI= agents still came and entered that apartment, installed video E surveillance devices in the acquaintance's apartment and drew a curvyl< line with a knife on the black colored apartment door of the acquaintance to TERRORIZE me.T  F FBI has entered my unlisted phone#s in all marketing and fax databases@ and sent me faxes in the middle of the night. FBI sent me on theF average two to three marketing calls and faxes everyday for 3 years toC my unlisted numbers totaling at least 2000 unsolicited calls in the 
 last 3 years.u  C To all of you who are gonna advise me to wear tinfoil or take drugsaF for schizophrenic paranoia, the SADISTIC FBI wants all of you to think@ exactly that way so they can CONTINUE to carry on their PERVERSEE SADISM on ordinary american citizens and MISDIRECT and PROGRAM all of F the 290 mil american brains to treat the EVIL, SADISTIC, PERVERTED and DICTATORIAL FBI like Gods.  D By now, you should have figured out the gist of what and how the FBID SADISTS and PERVERTS are TORTURING, TERRORIZING and SEXUALLY ABUSINGA me with their INFINITE POWER. You can read the rest of FBI sadismT below if you have time.0    U *************************************************************************************   D I rented a car on 7/14/04, bought a cell phone and stayed in a hotelE that night and by next morning 7/15/04, the FBI has figured out wherenF I was staying and wire tapped my cell phone and tracked me by placing 4 gps vehicle tracking devices even in the rental car.  @ FBI agents ILLGEALLY entered my apartment when I was not home onD 7/16/04 and LOCKED the bathroom door from inside, by the time I came back in the evening.E FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment when I was not home between.D 7/15/04 and 7/18/04 and logged on to my computer and REMOVED a stock list from my Yahoo account.e  @ FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment when I was not home on: 7/18/04 in the morning and turned the Air Conditioner "ON"4 intentionally by the time I came back to TORTURE me.  C FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment on 7/18/04 when I was notrD home and placed a razor blade and a nickel (which they STOLE from myA apartment in Marietta in May 2004) and put it in a plastic bag to " TAUNT ME  to say WHAT CAN YOU DO ?  t? FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment in the early hours ofeC 7/22/04 (while I was still sleeping in bed) and opened a tote bag ISD kept next to the pillow and unzipped a small bag (zip which I closedF the previous night) inside, just to  TERRORIZE ME as if to say, we canF and will do anything to you and you can't do anything to us because we
 FBI are GODS.   @ FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment when I was not home onF 7/22/04 during the day time and placed the TV remote this time hangingF on the edge of the bed to TERRORIZE me that they entered my apartment.  B FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment sometimes when I was notA home, pretending to be Wall Street Journal delivery personnel andbC delivered sometimes MUTIPLE copies of the paper on the same day ande= also sometimes delivered multiple Chinese restaurant take out-
 brochures.  D FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment when I was not home in theE evening on 7/24/04 and again opened the tote bag and unzipped a smallgD bag which is inside the tote bag and also STOLE a one time use Kodak= camera from my bedroom which I bought on 7/23/04 in Wal Mart.e  E FBI agents have REGULARLY entered my apartment ILLEGALLY with laptopseF when I was not home and copied information from my computer and floppy disks and messed them up.e  A Sadistic FBI agents called me at least 30 times repeatedly in theaC space of an hour and a half between 7:00 and 8:30 pm on 7/27/04 andoB asked for Roberto Fernandez knowing fully well that nobody by thatF name lived in my apartment and infact said "You are so funny" and madeD WEIRD SOUNDS like aye, uye, ick, ihe etc while watching me real timeF live all the time with the video surveillance devices installed in the0 ceiling of my bedroom when I answered the phone.   F FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment while I was asleep on 8/2/04D night even though the hotel lock was  bolted from inside, and placed@ the tv remote face down on the end table of my bedroom, folded aD prepaid calling card in my trouser pocket and formed a crease on theD card, removed a library map from the file folder (which was inside aE tote bag) and placed it outside the file folder and unzipped the backUE pocket of the tote bag half way down and left it there to torture me.   B FBI agents have been alerting the security departments of WalMart,E Best Buy, JC Penney stores etc with fictitious complaints when I wentt? there for shopping, so the security cameras in those stores areuE constantly focused on me and watching me while I was in those stores.r  F I rented a car on 8/5/04 and stayed in a hotel to get some privacy andE the sadistic FBI agents still tracked me down that night and left the.4 rental car doors unlocked by next morning on 8/6/04.  B I changed the car rented the previous day on 8/6/04 and traveled aD couple of hours on a highway, took an exit, parked my car in a stripD mall parking lot and spent about 20 minutes in a retail store and byB the time I got back to the car, FBI agents followed me and put twoC quarters on a plastic bag containing donuts in the back seat of theTC car just to taunt and terrorize me they are still following me even . when I rented a car and drove out of the city.  F FBI agents STOLE a pilot pen pack (which I bought from CVS Pharmacy onF 8/8/04) from my car on the night of 8/8/04 and entered my apartment onD 8/9/04 when I was not home from 11 AM - 12 noon and placed the pilotF pen pack under a chair on the carpet in the living room to torture me.  C FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment on 8/10/04 between 1:00pmBF and 1:15 pm (just 15 min) when I went to Publix and turned the TV "On"= in my bedroom by the time I came back to mentally torture me.e  E SADISTIC FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment while I was takingeB shower on 8/12/04 around 1:00pm and removed a shaving set scissorsF from the tote bag pocket in my bedroom and placed it on the iron boardB in my bedroom. FBI was able to execute this operation because theyB were watching me taking shower "real time live" with video devices installed in my "bathroom".L  F FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment even when the hotel lock wasC bolted from inside in the early hours of 8/16/04 while I was asleepdE and removed the middle row donuts in a 12 pack krispy kreme donut boxSD in the refrigerator and placed them in the empty left row and placedC the concord grape jelly bottle horizontally in the refrigerator andcE unplugged the tv cable from the cable outlet in my bedroom to TORTUREEA me that they are still entering my apartment anytime they want ato their will.   C FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment while I was asleep in theyB early hours of 8/20/04 even when I put a coffee  table against theF apartment entrance door and a small heavy box and a 19in TV against myA bedroom door from the inside and searched the locked tote bag and B unzipped the back pocket of the tote bag half way down and left itB there to TERRORIZE ME that they are still entering my apartment no matter what precautions I take.   B FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered my apartment on 8/22/04 around 7:30pmE while I was taking a nap and turned the Air Conditioner "ON" to TAUNT C me that they were entering my apartment EVEN WHEN I WAS still in myT
 apartment.  D FBI agents stole a Gillette disposable razor on the night of 8/25/04D from my duffel bag and placed it between the drivers seat and driver1 side door near the trunk opening lever of my car.   ? FBI agents ILLEGALLY opened the rental car I rented, in a hoteltF premises on the night of 8/27/04 and removed the cup holder and placedE it infront of the parking brake of the car to HARASS ME that they areOB still following me even when I rented a car and stayed in a hotel.  < FBI agents ILLEGALLY even tapped MetroPCS cell phone numbers9 instantaneously as soon as I bought them on the same day.E  yF SADISTIC FBI agents AMUSED themselves by turning my bedroom table lampD in my bedroom, ON and OFF by using remote control devices, sometimes while I was browsing the web.n  B FBI agents ILLEGALLY entered the hotel rooms even when locked fromA inside where I stayed in August and September and installed videogF surveillance devices and moved things around from the tote bag? zippedF side pocket into the tote bag to TERRORIZE me that they will INVADE myA privacy and MENTALLY TORTURE me even when I slept in hotel rooms.&  B Sometimes when I spoke to my roommate in non-English language, theC psycho-analysis OBSESSED SADISTIC FBI agents called me on the phoneTE immediately and said "komo-isthaaaa" in a SARCASTIC way and asked forGF Roberto Fernandez knowing fully well that nobody by that name lived in
 my apartment.F  E Sadistic FBI agents "reacted" to EACH and EVERY word that came out ofsF my mouth for the last three years by making 2000 UNSOLICITED HARASSING1 phone calls at my unlisted private phone numbers.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:52:21 +0100o- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>aI Subject: SW800-FB StorageWorks cabinet:  how to get the side panels off ?w+ Message-ID: <2u4ltcF24gh6nU1@uni-berlin.de>i  ; For a very good reason (please don't ask :-), I need to getn: the side panels off an SW800-FB StorageWorks cabinet.  But7 for the life of me, I can't seem to figure out how it'sd% done ... it's not riveted on, is it ?r   Any assistance most welcome,  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:02:41 +0100o- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> P Subject: Re: SW800-FB StorageWorks cabinet:  how to get the side panels off ? ??+ Message-ID: <2u4mgoF265vejU1@uni-berlin.de>e  6 Roy Omond wrote before he even did the basic research:  = > For a very good reason (please don't ask :-), I need to get < > the side panels off an SW800-FB StorageWorks cabinet.  But9 > for the life of me, I can't seem to figure out how it's7' > done ... it's not riveted on, is it ?n   Doh!  Answering myself, see:  G http://www.xenya.si/sup/info/digital/MDS/jun99/Cd3/STORAGE/35XRDIGC.PDFp  A Specifically page 8.  Thanks to one of my own internal colleaguese for that ...   Wipes egg from face,  	 Roy Omondn Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:24:28 GMTy3 From: hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond)eB Subject: Re: SYS$TIMEZONE_RULSYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical not defined1 Message-ID: <g87fd.1491$E_4.919@news.cpqcorp.net>l  j In article <newscache$ewcy5i$2a41$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:f >In article <RiPdd.1322$mb.63@news.cpqcorp.net>, hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com (Charlie Hammond) writes:3 >>In article <newscache$1tkw5i$zmz$1@news.sil.at>, l: >>peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: >>A >>>So, you saw a reboot causing the lost of the timezone logical. D >>>Now ask yourself why a boot didn't set it and consider installingF >>>the equivalent of VMS732_TDF for V7.3 (or upgrade to V7.3-2 before) >>" >>Did I miss-understand something? >I >Maybe. Or maybe it was me ;-) >oA >>I thought the reboot apparently restored the lost logical name.u >iK >And I thought the machine was up for a long time and recently got problemsYH >with the missing logical. And the reason was the crash/reboot as it was% >becoming known shortly thereafter...i >l  D The crash/reboot and the missing SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE logical name may @ be related, but I doubt that the missing logical is the cause of the crash/reboot.a   -- tJ       Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale  FL  USAF           (hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 07:54:18 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org+ Subject: Re: SYSUAF => export passwords ???e3 Message-ID: <vvsBLuw424qi@eisner.encompasserve.org>d  k In article <clboij$aev$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, JONESD@ecr6.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) writes: 5 > In message <9CyGl$ap1qeP@eisner.encompasserve.org>,L$ >   briggs@encompasserve.org writes:; >>Furthermore, if you don't update the password change date B >>you may not be able to log in due to password expiration issues. > O > You wouldn't have been able to login on the old system either, why should youpM > get a reprieve because the account was moved?  To be thorough, the password # > history should be copied as well.t  G I thought we were discussing a password propagation scheme in which you A change the password one place and then copy UAF$Q_PWD over to allI the other authorization files.  E In that case, the password change date, UAF$Q_PWD_DATE, in the source D file will have been updated but all the target files will still have> a stale password change date.  Those passwords will eventually expire.d   	John Briggs   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2004 23:48:57 -0700+ From: tonymcg27@yahoo.com.au (Tony McGrath) = Subject: Will the source code for CSWS_PHP v1.2 be available?T= Message-ID: <521ebd9f.0410242248.56800ac1@posting.google.com>m  B I guess this question is aimed directly at Rick Barry, because I'dE like to know if the source code for PHP 1.2 will ever be available oni the HP web server.D I'm playing around with building my own extensions but I'm compilingC my code using the PHP v1.1 header files and the resulting .EXE will " not run in a PHP v1.2 environment. In a previous news item, (see0L http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=68u_b.964%249s5.789%40news.cpqcorp.net)C Rick said he would send the headers if the original requestor askede' for them. Is you offer still open Rick?c   Cheers from Oz,S   Tony   Tony McGrath. OpenVMS Systems Programmer, Toll Corporate IT " Doveton, Victoria, Australia, 3175# tony_mcgrath AT toll DOT com DOT aut   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:26:27 -0600p0 From: Mark Berryman <mark.berryman@mvb.saic.com>: Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Strange BACKUP message' Message-ID: <417c3a27$1@cpns1.saic.com>T    Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER wrote:A > Today I had the need to move the data from one disk to another.EK > Normally I do this via a shadow copy but this time I tried BACKUP becauseU >  > $ SH DEV DSA1S > R > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntR > DSA1:                   Mounted              0  LUNA         248218080    42   1C > $1$DKA200:      (LUNA)  ShadowSetMember      1  (member of DSA1:)i$ > $ MOU/SYS DSA1/SHAD=$1$DKA400 LUNA* > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, LUNA mounted on _DSA1:O > %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMFAIL, _$1$DKA400: (LUNA) failed as a member of the shadow sethP > -MOUNT-F-MBRTOOSMALL, must be the same size or larger than logical volume sizeC > %MOUNT-I-ISAMBR, _$1$DKA200: (LUNA) is a member of the shadow set  > N > As I have currently no space for a backup saveset, I thought I give it a tryB > and see if BACKUP is now finally able to make a diskcopy withoutL > a saveset (I do know this limitation but OTOH I can't remember having seenJ > this documented in HELP BACKUP - I think I should check again sometimes)  H Eh?  Backup has been able to copy one disk to another for over 20 years I (I know because I've been using Backup to do just that for at least that lF long).  It may be a Day One capability but I don't know for sure.  It , is, at least, a Day Close-to-one capability.   > $ MOU/FOR DKA4008 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, SCRTCH mounted on _$1$DKA400: (LUNA) > $ BACK DSA1:/IMA $1$DKA400:cR > %BACKUP-I-INVQUAL, qualifier /$1$DKA400: is ignored with the /SINCE=BACKUP opera > tion > E > So, it is still not possible. But OTOH, look at this error message.lL > I think one of the last BACKUP ECOs (I have VMS732_BACKUP-V0200 installed)6 > has/introduced problems with command line parsing... >   G That would be an issue specific to your system.  Check for the obvious  E (BACKUP symbol defined, DCLTABLES.EXE in SYS$SPECIFIC, a SET COMMAND a9 issued in your process, etc.).  I, too, have V7.3-2 with mI VMS732_BACKUP-V0200 installed and the command works fine for me.  I just I tested with the following:   $ MOUNT/FORE LDA6: $ BACKUP/IMAGE LDA16: LDA6:d  5 No errors encountered and the copy works as expected.r  
 Mark Berrymanh   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2004 08:46:24 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)o: Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Strange BACKUP message3 Message-ID: <IpumalGZlxv3@eisner.encompasserve.org>M  j In article <newscache$gtw36i$h211$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes: >  > $ MOU/FOR DKA4008 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, SCRTCH mounted on _$1$DKA400: (LUNA) > $ BACK DSA1:/IMA $1$DKA400:HR > %BACKUP-I-INVQUAL, qualifier /$1$DKA400: is ignored with the /SINCE=BACKUP opera > tion > E > So, it is still not possible. But OTOH, look at this error message. L > I think one of the last BACKUP ECOs (I have VMS732_BACKUP-V0200 installed)6 > has/introduced problems with command line parsing...  H    Looks a lot to me like you have a symbol named BACKUP, but not quite.    I'd check it out anyhow.p   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.593 ************************