1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 27 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 596       Contents:) Re: ANN: VTfm and HINDEX freeware updates ( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing? Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client ? Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client 1 Re: CC /MMS_DEPENDENCIES and related difficulties  CSWS under VMS 7.3-2" Re: EMC - multi database locations, Re: Help needed with historic software (cbs) Re: Intel Developers Conference # RE: Latest on Windoze Navy software - Re: Need help on Socket Application with Java - Re: Need help on Socket Application with Java  Re: Request * Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business( Re: Samba 2.2.8 for OpenVMS, new release( Somebody should tell this prof about VMS, Re: Somebody should tell this prof about VMS$ Re: Usable snapshot of a DEcwindow ?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:53:45 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>2 Subject: Re: ANN: VTfm and HINDEX freeware updates+ Message-ID: <417EF199.E2DCECB8@comcast.net>    Hunter Goatley wrote:  > 6 > The following freeware packages have been updated in > my freeware archive: >  >    - VTfm  > : >      A Norton Commander-style file and directory manager; >      for VT terminals.  This version adds quite a few new 3 >      features to the previous release.  Thanks to ; >      Vladimir K. Vershinin.  VTfm runs on VAX, Alpha, and  >      IA64.  D I looked at it. Gotta lookup the doc.'s for it. The on-screen cueues were not helpful.    >     - HINDEX > : >       HINDEX search OpenVMS HELP libraries for keywords.< >       Thanks to Mike Duffy.  This version includes changes: >       to compile and run on OpenVMS IA64, in addition to >       VAX and Alpha.  E That sounds like it could be the core of a "whatis" facility for VMS. C UN*X folks would be more at home with that than simply browsing the 
 on-line help.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:57:31 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing + Message-ID: <417EF27B.2B7CB82E@comcast.net>    Garry wrote: > [snip]I > Thanks to all who replied, looks like the OpenVMS for me would be about I > $500, which on top of the hardware,  a bit pricey for me (for what will % > be almost exlusively a web server).   D For the record (and so we can forward this to the brass at HP), what+ would be more affordable for you than $500?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:20:44 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing , Message-ID: <9sudnYcYuIOTieLcRVn-pw@igs.net>   David J Dachtera wrote:  > Garry wrote:	 >> [snip] D >> Thanks to all who replied, looks like the OpenVMS for me would beF >> about $500, which on top of the hardware,  a bit pricey for me (for0 >> what will be almost exlusively a web server). > F > For the record (and so we can forward this to the brass at HP), what- > would be more affordable for you than $500?     < Probably something that competes with free linux and Apache.  K $500 isn't a lot to spend on a bulletproof vest if you expect you need one, L and exposing a system on the internet these days is much like walking into a 'free fire' zone.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:24:29 -0400 ( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing ( Message-ID: <417F14ED.300@tsoft-inc.com>   Garry wrote:    J > Thanks to all who replied, looks like the OpenVMS for me would be about J > $500, which on top of the hardware,  a bit pricey for me (for what will % > be almost exlusively a web server).  > = > It's a shame as the DS10L seems quite reasonable at Island.     Q While you can spend some time in acquiring and building a Linux system, the $500  T isn't unreasonable if you're looking at using a Microsoft server version of windows.     Dave   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:18:54 GMT 1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> H Subject: Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client* Message-ID: <iADfd.6854$8W6.2352@trnddc05>   Some things to try:   K 1) Update to the latest ECO for TCP/IP 5.3 ... I had many problems with ECO L 2 (files magically disappearing and reappearing, NFS Server getting stuck inI a COM loop or 'permanent' LEF state, would not properly shut down, etc.). 1 NFS under 5.3 ECO 4 is/was much more predictable.   = 2) Are you sure about the proxies/GIDs/UIDs are all the same?   J 3) Check ownership/ACLs on the root directory of whatever you are going to mount   > 4) Check exports are not being limited to certain IP addresses  D 4) You can debug some proxy issues by using sysconfig for the nfs...  # $@sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands  $sysconfig -q nfs    will list parameters.   L There's one called ovms_proxy_debug (or something like that).  If you changeE it's value, and have an network operators console, you'll get various L messages for what it's trying to do.  I have notes at work on all of this; I) can find them tomorrow if you would like.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:04:59 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.orgH Subject: Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client) Message-ID: <04102622045954@antinode.org>   1 From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net>       Thanks for the response.   0 > 1) Update to the latest ECO for TCP/IP 5.3 ...  D    The latest I see for VMS V7.3-1 is what I have (V5.3 - ECO 2) at:= ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/layered_products/alpha/    >  I had many problems with ECO N > 2 (files magically disappearing and reappearing, NFS Server getting stuck inK > a COM loop or 'permanent' LEF state, would not properly shut down, etc.). 3 > NFS under 5.3 ECO 4 is/was much more predictable.   7    Couldn't miss, I think.  While playing, I got into a E can't-shut-down/can't-start-up situation, too.  Rebooting helped that G one.  Is the newer stuff available to hobbyist peons?  (Or is that peon  hobbyists?)   ? > 2) Are you sure about the proxies/GIDs/UIDs are all the same?    ALP $ tcpip sho prox  ; VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name   B ROOT              OND             0           1   urt.antinode.org [...] B ROOT              OND             0           1   ipc.antinode.org [...]   G where "urt" is the Tru64 system which works, and "ipc" is the Sun which  doesn't.  L > 3) Check ownership/ACLs on the root directory of whatever you are going to > mount       Same thing:   ALP $ tcpip sho exp   1 File System                             Host name   K /dka0                                   urt.antinode.org, ung.antinode.org, 8                                         ipc.antinode.org  @ > 4) Check exports are not being limited to certain IP addresses  F    Too fancy for me.  (The Cisco DSL gizmo does enough of this to keep the riff-raff out.  (I hope.))   TCPIP> sho servi /ful nfs  [...]  Security  Reject msg:  not defined   Accept host: 0.0.0.0   Accept netw: 0.0.0.0   F > 4) You can debug some proxy issues by using sysconfig for the nfs... > % > $@sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands  > $sysconfig -q nfs  >  > will list parameters.  > N > There's one called ovms_proxy_debug (or something like that).  If you changeG > it's value, and have an network operators console, you'll get various N > messages for what it's trying to do.  I have notes at work on all of this; I+ > can find them tomorrow if you would like.   D    I wouldn't object.  I'll be interrupting this entertainment for a@ week or so, so it'll be a while before I can run the experiment.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  4    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-98183    382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org     Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:54:31 -0400 < From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>: Subject: Re: CC /MMS_DEPENDENCIES and related difficulties+ Message-ID: <2u7haoF27ur08U1@uni-berlin.de>    sms@antinode.org wrote:  >...G >    I don't think so.  I want to generate the .OBJ (and .OLB and .EXE) F > files where they will be used, and leave them there, so that after IC > make a change to some source file, I can get a reasonably minimal F > build with reasonable ease.  If I start renaming files, the next MMS+ > run won't see them where they need to be.  >...  E I'll start by saying that I do not use MMS so much of this is over my C head, but what I do when compiling and linking my source is to have  something like;         [pweaver.kit]      [pweaver.axp_kit]      [pweaver.vax_kit]  2 then define a logical pw_kit that points to eitherC [pweaver.axp_kit],[pweaver.kit] or [pweaver.vax_kit],[pweaver.kit]. @ (When I took the Itanium course last week I created a new set ofG [pweaver.ia64_*] directories and that worked great.) When I set default B to pw_kit and compile/link the .OBJ and .EXE end up in the correctH directory. The first time I start to edit the source I have to make sure@ it is in [pweaver.kit] but once the first file is in the correct* directory then new versions also go there.  > I do not know if that will work with MMS, but I hope it helps.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:59:27 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: CSWS under VMS 7.3-2 . Message-ID: <clmhbu$rco$1@newslocal.mitre.org>  L I recently installed VMS 7.3-2 (along with TCPIP 5.4) on my hobbyist system,K and it was mostly trouble-free.  My web server is CSWS 1.2, and the scripts G still work, the directory listings still work, but the binary files are  broken.   ! The error log contains this line: k [Tue Oct 26 09:34:38 2004] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] File does not exist: /music/000000/sounds/440hz.mp3    But the file is right here: $ $ dir music:[000000.sounds]440hz.mp3   Directory MUSIC:[000000.sounds]    440hz.mp3;1    Total of 1 file.  J The file is world-readable, and it appears in the directory listing in theJ browser (http://hostname/music/sounds/), but I get error 440 when I try toK download it.  (It's just coincidence that the filename starts with 440, the K problem exists for other files too.)  It is on an NFS-mounted device (Linux I host), and everything worked fine before.  The most recent change was the  7.3-2 upgrade.  E Is there something I can do to fix this?  Does anybody else have file ) downloads working on CSWS 1.2, VMS 7.3-2?   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2004 18:44:01 -0500+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) + Subject: Re: EMC - multi database locations 3 Message-ID: <YMA1CWn$orzH@eisner.encompasserve.org>   d In article <dc85ec7c.0410251113.1d215ce4@posting.google.com>, panjo03@hotmail.com (John Pan) writes:h > young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) wrote in message news:<owPRPybmGOA5@eisner.encompasserve.org>...   > B > Firstly thanks for the replies - I have understood more now then	 > before. G > I have had an overview from the person here that knows how the EMC is  > setup. > A > The EMC array has two backplanes B1 and B0 with disks mirrored.  >   6 	What model EMC?  I don't recognize B1/B0 terminology.  D > To create a symvol of say 24GB they have sliced two disks in B1 of > 12GB each,C > with a corresponding two slices of different disks serving as its 	 > mirror.  >   3 	Sounds like you have a 2-way meta.  Striped metas? : 	But this is how the Symm works.  The corresponding mirror9 	slice is always in the other cache partition.  That way, 6 	if you were to blow out a cache partition - the write2 	survives.  Obviously, not a lot of caches blowing! 	out or we would hear about it.     @ 	There are a number of white papers freely available via Google.& 	Easy searching finds them in a hurry.  C > This is presented as a symvol of 24GB. There is a 16GB cache that  > serves the EMCA > array. The symvol is equavalent to a vms device like $1$dga204:   = 	Those are big slices.  Pretty unusual sizes (12 GByte each).    > F > So my original query was answered but I'm still weary about the EMC.E > I have been told that if the EMC detects that a slice is heavily IO  > saturated it1 > will move this slice to another disk less used.  >   7 	Assuming you have Symm Optimizer licensed and actually  	in use.  Is that the case?   H > With what appears to be a clear separation between the disk and the OS > does OVMS G > utilities,like moni disk/item=que, not show the correct picture. When  > using thisD > utility I 'see' disks that have que averages of greater than 1 andF > sometimes peaks to 3 or 4. If EMC 'takes' care of this by moving the@ > slice I don't have to worry about this anymore - right or not?    > 	Peaking to 3-4 is not a problem.  Sustained is another thing.   	A sustained> 	queue depth might cause a slice to move, but I don't know the4 	criteria for candidate selection by Symm Optimizer.  @ 	Ask your EMC adminstrator if Symm Opt is even alerting on your . 	spindles.  Has it ever moved your spindles?     > F > Is table/file placement taking into account the physical disks still > something I should \H > look into even though I have been told that EMC 'takes care of this'.? >   ? 	EMC mostly takes care of it.  But you could abuse it.  Suppose 3 	you aren't aware of sharing hot spindles?  That is = 	what Symm Optiizer is for.  Not everyone has Symm Optimizer, < 	but via very simple runs  of WLA over a period of time, you9 	know which spindles are getting hit more than others and E 	choose a layout for new LUNs accordingly.  Some shops have policies  > 	of not sharing across OSes and avoid a number of these shared 	pool issues.     : 	But hitting more spindles is another way of avoiding muchA 	of this.  Tell him you want an 8-way meta with 4 GByte slices.   G 	Actually, because you would be re-binning the Symm, he probably won't  
 	go for that.   ? > They do not use any EMC software like powerpath? or the like.   : 	Powerpath has failover and load balancing "capabilities."; 	The load balancing is a nice talking point - you are still ? 	talking to the same LUN.  In theory, it avoids HBA saturation. 3 	But brain-dead round-robin mostly avoids this too.   C > Yes the EMC volumnes are used with other systems - unix and NT so 4 > there is loading on this - how much I do not know.  @ 	But that was my whole point.  If you turn on Work Load Analyzer> 	, you can trend this.  It took me a day one time to determine= 	there was a performance problem because of heavy contention. @ 	Work Load Analyzer would smoke this out.  Hitting more spindles? 	as suggested above of course masks shared contention.  That is : 	why EVA is a pretty cool concept - sharing many spindles.   				Rob       The person givingG > me the rundown this morning said they choose the EMC over an HSG type H > disk manger was due to testing between the two and having EMC come outH > on top. I'm betting they did not test with other systems accessing the* > same EMC disk volumnes at the same time. >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:56:30 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 5 Subject: Re: Help needed with historic software (cbs) - Message-ID: <87oeipxngx.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes:    > Ivan Pope wrote:  @ >> I'm not tech, so I don't know the exact terminology in all ofE >> this. I know that we used cbs% (coloured book system?) software on  >> the terminals for email.   D >> I'm trying to recreate the first email exchanges I had (roughly!)B >> and am looking for someone who can help me get the structure of= >> email messages from that period using that software right.    > Not sure about "cbs%".  C Colour Book Software. You really should not have asked ;) It was at C one stage dangerously close to becoming `The Standard'. As far as I F know only JANet, the UK Joint Achedemic Network used it in anger.  ItsC mail addresses looked like an SMTP address, but the domain part was  reversed in order.  F There was a whole set of books for the various parts of the stack, and8 it was to a large degree a fore runner of the ISO stack.  I Commonly used X.25 at the lower levels, but also Cambridge Ring, Ethernet  and others.   H I think there where a couple of DECUS sesions on it at several seminars.   --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:56:09 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>( Subject: Re: Intel Developers Conference+ Message-ID: <417EF229.B43A679F@comcast.net>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > All, > A > As a fyi, readers of this conference might be interested in the I > following Intel Developers Conference. This link was posted before, but F > I believe this date for an additional conference is new - Dec 1-3 in > Mahwah, New Jersey.  > N > http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/bus/bus_BusDetailPage_IDX/1,1252,6045,00.html > < > Also, track descriptions: (scroll down to OpenVMS content)N > http://h21007.www2.hp.com/dspp/bus/bus_BusDetailPage_IDX/1,1252,6144,00.html  F Google dropped the underscores and converted them to spaces. Also, the URLs wrapped at the "html".   $ Hope this repost fixes some of that.   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:16:55 -0400 # From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> , Subject: RE: Latest on Windoze Navy software: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDEEKPFLAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----D > From: Bob Koehler [mailto:koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org]) > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:11 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com . > Subject: RE: Latest on Windoze Navy software >  > B > In article <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDGEGOFLAA.dallen@nist.gov>, "Dan " > Allen" <dallen@nist.gov> writes:, > > The C "char" is just a (real) short int. > G >    K&R defined short as the shotest "natural" integer on the machine. B >    Which means for most machines char must be unnaturally short. >   K 	Yes, the precision of the K&R C language specification leaves me gasping.   >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:46:13 GMT . From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca>6 Subject: Re: Need help on Socket Application with Java) Message-ID: <FAzfd.6297$9b.4004@edtnps84>   I thanks for you help, I have created the java listener from some google'd  # based code along with some changes.   M I have created a C function that will be added to my database that will send  < the socket string to the java listener and process the code.    I "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message  - news:dyB5lzotB8l1@eisner.encompasserve.org... = > In article <0eefd.852$9b.592@edtnps84>, "Jerry Alan Braga"   > <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes:  >>F >> I have created java apps that can read tcp ports, but I have never  >> created aI >> service type application that can create the socket and then have the   >> java  >> constantly listening on it. > G >   Programming sockets in Java is a lot like programming sockets in C,  >   but easier.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:02:21 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>6 Subject: Re: Need help on Socket Application with Java+ Message-ID: <417EF39D.AB49B2D6@comcast.net>    Jerry Alan Braga wrote:  > J > thanks for you help, I have created the java listener from some google'd% > based code along with some changes.  > N > I have created a C function that will be added to my database that will send> > the socket string to the java listener and process the code.  / Hhmmm... Maybe HP should provide JAVA$ACP, huh?    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:04:42 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Request+ Message-ID: <417EF42A.622FB38D@comcast.net>    Muhammad Jahanzeb wrote: >  > Hello  > D > I have just joined a cellular company where I have been exposed toH > OpenVMS. Needless to say, I am a newbie in OpenVms and need immediate,B > simple and easy reference material on OpenVms. Please share yourD > thoughts on how I should proceed and any material you have (basicsE > first). I am not sure, I will be deeply involved with vms but still ' > want to stay comfortable with the OS.  > F > Will be obliged if anyone can share an easy to use command reference > or related material.  E If you're familiar with UN*X-like systems or Windows and such, take a G look at the links in the Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page cited  in the .sig of this post.    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:29:23 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>3 Subject: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business ; Message-ID: <n5Bfd.7026$YL.792847@twister.southeast.rr.com>   8 The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19297    Interesting.     Ken    OpenVMS.org % _____________________________________  Kenneth R. Farmer <>< & SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:59:53 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business . Message-ID: <clmodp$1cc$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes in article <n5Bfd.7026$YL.792847@twister.southeast.rr.com> dated Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:29:23 GMT: 9 >The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business * >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19297   Oh crap -- another name change!   , "Innovative Technologies TCP/IP for OpenVMS"  "Innovative Technologies C" etc.  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:47:46 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business , Message-ID: <417EF01F.82565FB7@teksavvy.com>   "Keith A. Lewis" wrote: ! > Oh crap -- another name change!  > . > "Innovative Technologies TCP/IP for OpenVMS"" > "Innovative Technologies C" etc.  F Which is why the VMS engineers should have stood firm and kept all theK original names (DEC C etc) and not bother changing any of them to match the  name of this week's owner.  I In terms of the actual spinning off, I am not convinced. Spinning off the 1 enterprise server business would make more sense.   D Consider that HP/Microsoft want to move to consumer electronics/homeI entertainment.  So the whole digital imaging thing requires PCs, Cameras, @ videos, TVs and of course, printers and tons of ink to print it.  K Spinning off printers only wouldn't make sense. Spinning off the enterprise 5 business would leave all the consumer stuff together.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:14:33 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business + Message-ID: <417EF678.E37EB52C@comcast.net>    "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:  >  > "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes in article <n5Bfd.7026$YL.792847@twister.southeast.rr.com> dated Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:29:23 GMT: ; > >The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business , > >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19297 > ! > Oh crap -- another name change!  > . > "Innovative Technologies TCP/IP for OpenVMS"" > "Innovative Technologies C" etc.  / Sounds like emasculation prior to evisceration.   B Perhaps those who predicted it were more right than the rest of usD wanted to believe. Alpha is a herring, Itanic soon will be, and thatE leaves VMS with no CPUs other than those evil, if however ubiquitous, / x86 CPUs and their newer siblings, the x86-64s.   7 I guess 200+ million customers really CAN be wrong, eh?   F The epitaph of the VMS staff and their careers: "We may be dead-right,D but damnit, we were right! ...even though being right killed us, our careers and our product!"    --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:18:35 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business , Message-ID: <YeGdnWpYX6QTjuLcRVn-2Q@igs.net>   Keith A. Lewis wrote: D > "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes in articleC > <n5Bfd.7026$YL.792847@twister.southeast.rr.com> dated Tue, 26 Oct  > 2004 23:29:23 GMT:; >> The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business , >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19297 > ! > Oh crap -- another name change!  > . > "Innovative Technologies TCP/IP for OpenVMS"" > "Innovative Technologies C" etc.    H Seems that Walter Hewlett's position on the merger will be vindicated ifK this is true. Too bad it will turn out to have ruined Alpha, Tru64, and VMS  in the process.   H Can't figure out why they will call it Innovative Technologies. They canK spin off the shares to current shareholders and and give the company one of L two good names - Digital Equipment Corporation or Compaq. Then carly(tm) canL figure out a reason to buy it back again for 'synergistic' effects...damn, IH just knew that big word I learned in MBA school would come in handy some day.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:35:53 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business , Message-ID: <NvGdnZ6gipcGiuLcRVn-tQ@igs.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: : > The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19297  >  > Interesting.    0 All I can say is "carly(tm), Vaya Con Printers."   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 03:58:47 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business * Message-ID: <417F1CF7.2080208@prodigy.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: : > The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business+ > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19297  >  > Interesting. >  >  > Ken  > 
 > OpenVMS.org ' > _____________________________________  > Kenneth R. Farmer <>< ( > SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com  >  > G To me that sounds like a death knell for much of the company OTHER than F printers.  Maybe it's why SUNW stock has been doing so well this week.   --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:57:26 +0200 - From: Alex van Denzel <vandenzel@hotmail.com> 7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business 7 Message-ID: <417f29f4$0$45943$a344fe98@news.wanadoo.nl>    John Smith wrote:   # > [...] and give the company one of A > two good names - Digital Equipment Corporation or Compaq. [...]   + Don't forget Apollo or (indirectly) Tandem.   F Oh, I forgot, they already use Apollo for a cheap printer line. Or is  that already cancelled.    -- Alex.    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2004 05:25:04 GMT! From: Lee Witten <lw99@yahoo.com> 7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business / Message-ID: <Xns958F88AC4B3B6nn48@199.125.85.9>   & "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in% news:YeGdnWpYX6QTjuLcRVn-2Q@igs.net:  G > Seems that Walter Hewlett's position on the merger will be vindicated  > if this is true.  H My thoughts exactly.  Hope Walter put his money where his mouth was and & sold his shares when he should have...  7 > Too bad it will turn out to have ruined Alpha, Tru64,  > and VMS in the process.   L C'mon, Compaq didn't have a business plan that would have kept these afloat G either (they floundered during the fair weather sailing of the dot-com  L era), and neither did the Palmer-era DEC (they told their customers to move E to Windows NT, for god sakes!).  H-P is the current custodian of the   downward decline of VMS.   --lw--   ------------------------------   Date: 26 OCT 2004 15:44:55 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)1 Subject: Re: Samba 2.2.8 for OpenVMS, new release 6 Message-ID: <26OCT04.15445540@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  F In a previous article, "Michael D. Ober" <mdo.@.wakeassoc..com> wrote:  L ->Yes.  All version of Samba 2.x for VMS have supported encrypted passwords. ->  8 ->"Tom Wade" <nospam@picard.eurokom.ie> wrote in message ->> L ->> I didn't see mention of it in the release notes indicated, but does thisK ->> version support encrypted passwords, so that Windows clients can use it A ->> without having to fiddle around with their registries first ?   G While Michael is correct,  I think Tom might have meant the requirement H for setting the "RequireSignorSeal" registry value to 0 in Windows XP. ID believe this is relaxed in Samba 3. HP's Advanced Server (pathworks)8 hasn't addressed this either but I sure hope they will.    --G -- Carl Karcher, Waisman Computing Services, Waisman Center, UW-Madison 9 --                   karcher.nomorespm@waisman.wisc.edu      ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:49:29 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Somebody should tell this prof about VMS , Message-ID: <ALqdnWTDitLWN-PcRVn-tw@igs.net>  ) http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19290   $ Professor says it lets the spooks in  / By Nick Farrell: Tuesday 26 October 2004, 09:15   D   A PROFESSOR of software engineering and data communications at theH Queensland University of Technology has warned that intelligence systems& should not run on Microsoft platforms.F Professor William Caelli told a meeting of the Australian Institute ofL Professional Intelligence Officers conference that he was "horrified" at theK thought that intelligence-related systems might be developed on unprotected  off-the-shelf platforms.   ....   <snip>  L Caelli said that the intelligence community should be using "Solaris version eight or better".u  B According to Aussie Associated Press Caelli said that there was noH commercial motivation for the information technology industry to develop truly secure systems.i  L He said that the IT industry itself abrogated its responsibility relating toF security some 20 years ago and the current batch of servers and clientB systems were less secure than the mainframes he used in the 1970s.     begin 666 1x1_default_pixel.gifl= M1TE&.#EA`0`!`)$`````S/__S/X!`@```"'Y! 04`/\`+ `````!``$```("e	 $1 $`.P``s `n endc   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:29:41 -0400o( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>5 Subject: Re: Somebody should tell this prof about VMS , Message-ID: <417F1625.1070806@tsoft-inc.com>   John Smith wrote:s  + > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19290s > & > Professor says it lets the spooks in > 1 > By Nick Farrell: Tuesday 26 October 2004, 09:15e > F >   A PROFESSOR of software engineering and data communications at theJ > Queensland University of Technology has warned that intelligence systems( > should not run on Microsoft platforms.H > Professor William Caelli told a meeting of the Australian Institute ofN > Professional Intelligence Officers conference that he was "horrified" at theM > thought that intelligence-related systems might be developed on unprotected- > off-the-shelf platforms. >  > .... >  > <snip> > N > Caelli said that the intelligence community should be using "Solaris version > eight or better".D     That 'better' bsing VMS?    D > According to Aussie Associated Press Caelli said that there was noJ > commercial motivation for the information technology industry to develop > truly secure systems.a     He's probably right there.    N > He said that the IT industry itself abrogated its responsibility relating toH > security some 20 years ago and the current batch of servers and clientD > systems were less secure than the mainframes he used in the 1970s.  O Well, if it's not connected to anything, and behind locked doors, that's still s
 doable today.E   Dave   -- r4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roade Vanderbilt, PA  15486i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:51:33 -0400s2 From: "Jonathan Boswell" <jsb.NOSP@M.cdrh.fda.gov>- Subject: Re: Usable snapshot of a DEcwindow ?f5 Message-ID: <X0xfd.1729$Ny6.2824@mencken.net.nih.gov>y  2 I prefer the specialized tool xwpick, available atG ftp://ftp.x.org/contrib/applications/.  Works great on my almighty VLC.-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.596 ************************