1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 27 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 597       Contents:% ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit ) Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit ) Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit ) Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit ) Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit ) RE: ANN: VTfm and HINDEX freeware updates ( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing? Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client ? Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client ? Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client ! Re: Problems with AS400 and KZPCM ! Re: Problems with AS400 and KZPCM ! Re: Problems with AS400 and KZPCM ! Re: Problems with AS400 and KZPCM  Re: Question about Descriptors Re: Question about Descriptors. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business< SCP process coming in as a remote command vs a file transfer  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:04:24 +0200 I From: Miguel Angel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Us=F3n?= Finkenzeller <mauf2@unizar.es> . Subject: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit3 Message-ID: <l03110700bda51949d6b3@[155.210.90.37]>   	 Dear all,   I my Alpha 255, which I took for dead last July, is still running... But it G crashes now and then. Alive periods range from less than a minute to 20 G days (not the expected VMS/Digital reliability), and sometimes it takes B many trials (resets, power cycles, whatever...) to get to a steadyH condition. Sometimes it stops while starting up, sometimes even earlier, during configuration check.   K After this weekend's crash, I have overhauled it completely, and have found G nothing. Now it has been up for 16 hours but I am afraid it might crash  again at any time.  J The famous 2.2 microFarad capacitor next to the mouse and keyboard outletsG seems allright, the power supply puts out the expected +-12, +5 and 3.3 J volts, all the connectors a were and are again firmly attached, and yet...  F One thing I find strange is that the CPU cooling fan receives only 7.0I volts. Is that what it should be? As said, the 12v reach the motherboard.    Any hints are appreciated.   Thanks in advance,   Miguel =C1ngel Us=F3n       H P.S. I'm happy my OpenVMS umbrella is still in working order: today it's raining heavily!   ------------ Dept. of Inorganic Chemistry University of Zaragoza
 E-50009 SPAIN    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:21:18 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit3 Message-ID: <jfNfd.218$dq4.12413@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   B If you're afraid the CPU might get too hot, you can check it with: f$getsyi("temperature_vector")  I I can't remember under which OpenVMS version this became available, but I # beclieve it's in the 7.x somewhere.    --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- J "Miguel Angel Usn Finkenzeller" <mauf2@unizar.es> a crit dans le message0 de news:l03110700bda51949d6b3@[155.210.90.37]...    	 Dear all,   I my Alpha 255, which I took for dead last July, is still running... But it G crashes now and then. Alive periods range from less than a minute to 20 G days (not the expected VMS/Digital reliability), and sometimes it takes B many trials (resets, power cycles, whatever...) to get to a steadyH condition. Sometimes it stops while starting up, sometimes even earlier, during configuration check.   K After this weekend's crash, I have overhauled it completely, and have found G nothing. Now it has been up for 16 hours but I am afraid it might crash  again at any time.  J The famous 2.2 microFarad capacitor next to the mouse and keyboard outletsG seems allright, the power supply puts out the expected +-12, +5 and 3.3 J volts, all the connectors a were and are again firmly attached, and yet...  F One thing I find strange is that the CPU cooling fan receives only 7.0I volts. Is that what it should be? As said, the 12v reach the motherboard.    Any hints are appreciated.   Thanks in advance,   Miguel ngel Usn       H P.S. I'm happy my OpenVMS umbrella is still in working order: today it's raining heavily!   ------------ Dept. of Inorganic Chemistry University of Zaragoza
 E-50009 SPAIN    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:11:24 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 2 Subject: Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit* Message-ID: <clohbc$da$1@naig.caltech.edu>  % Miguel Angel Usn Finkenzeller wrote:    > L > The famous 2.2 microFarad capacitor next to the mouse and keyboard outlets > seems allright,   ! Tested or just visual inspection?   9 > the power supply puts out the expected +-12, +5 and 3.3 L > volts, all the connectors a were and are again firmly attached, and yet...  H I've recently had a series of failures on Athlon systems that were very G similar to this.  Each power supply seemed ok, but when it was swapped  > out with a new unit, the systems stopped crashing.  Apparently> some power supplies can fail by passing too much noise or justB glitching from time to time, but these always test at the correct D voltage with a voltmeter (or the system's own sensors, if these are B present.)  Admittedly this is a bit unusual, more typically power D supplies just die (sometimes spectacularly).  In any case, the powerA supply is far and away the most likely component to fail in a way B that would produce these sorts of symptoms.  (The disk is probably> more likely to fail but VMS is usually pretty clear about that> and it shows up in the error logs - power supply failures just crash the system instantly.)   > H > One thing I find strange is that the CPU cooling fan receives only 7.0K > volts. Is that what it should be? As said, the 12v reach the motherboard.   G Your voltmeter may be confused trying to measure the DC voltage across  F the running fan motor. Does the fan appear to be spinning at a normal D speed?  If you're concerned try replacing the fan (fans are cheap). E Also, you should check that the heat sink on the CPU isn't packed up  F with dust.  I'm not familiar with the heat sink in a 255 but sometimesC one must remove the fan on top to get a good look at the heat sink.    >  > Any hints are appreciated.  ; It doesn't sound too much like a heat problem if the system ; crashes quickly from a cold start.  But you didn't say that ; exactly, only that it it crashes on restart, and the system < may have been (too) hot at the time. Take off the top of the6 case, aim a big floor fan into it, turn the system off; and let it cool down for 15 minutes.  Then start it up with @ the case still open and the external fan running and see if runs> without crashing. Caveat: what's the ambient room temperature?J Caveat 2:  don't plug the floor fan into the same circuit as the computer!  > Another possibility - noise or spikes through the power lines.> You're at a university and who knows what hideous equipment is@ plugged in nearby.  Who knows when said equipment may be running7 or not.  Try plugging the Alpha into an uninterruptible @ power supply or some other device that will feed it clean power.= If that isn't available try it elsewhere on campus or at home : where the power is less likely to be contaminated by heavy electrical equipment.      Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:22:33 +0200 I From: Miguel Angel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Us=F3n?= Finkenzeller <mauf2@unizar.es> 2 Subject: Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit3 Message-ID: <l03110706bda59c8dadc4@[155.210.90.37]>   ( >Miguel Angel Us=F3n Finkenzeller wrote: >  >>M >> The famous 2.2 microFarad capacitor next to the mouse and keyboard outlet=  s  >> seems allright, > " >Tested or just visual inspection? > : >> the power supply puts out the expected +-12, +5 and 3.3M >> volts, all the connectors a were and are again firmly attached, and yet..=  =2E  > H >I've recently had a series of failures on Athlon systems that were veryG >similar to this.  Each power supply seemed ok, but when it was swapped ? >out with a new unit, the systems stopped crashing.  Apparently ? >some power supplies can fail by passing too much noise or just B >glitching from time to time, but these always test at the correctD >voltage with a voltmeter (or the system's own sensors, if these areB >present.)  Admittedly this is a bit unusual, more typically powerE >supplies just die (sometimes spectacularly).  In any case, the power B >supply is far and away the most likely component to fail in a wayC >that would produce these sorts of symptoms.  (The disk is probably ? >more likely to fail but VMS is usually pretty clear about that ? >and it shows up in the error logs - power supply failures just  >crash the system instantly.)  >  >>I >> One thing I find strange is that the CPU cooling fan receives only 7.0 L >> volts. Is that what it should be? As said, the 12v reach the motherboard. > G >Your voltmeter may be confused trying to measure the DC voltage across F >the running fan motor. Does the fan appear to be spinning at a normalD >speed?  If you're concerned try replacing the fan (fans are cheap).E >Also, you should check that the heat sink on the CPU isn't packed up G >with dust.  I'm not familiar with the heat sink in a 255 but sometimes D >one must remove the fan on top to get a good look at the heat sink. >  >> >> Any hints are appreciated.  > < >It doesn't sound too much like a heat problem if the system< >crashes quickly from a cold start.  But you didn't say that< >exactly, only that it it crashes on restart, and the system= >may have been (too) hot at the time. Take off the top of the 7 >case, aim a big floor fan into it, turn the system off < >and let it cool down for 15 minutes.  Then start it up withA >the case still open and the external fan running and see if runs ? >without crashing. Caveat: what's the ambient room temperature? K >Caveat 2:  don't plug the floor fan into the same circuit as the computer!  > ? >Another possibility - noise or spikes through the power lines. ? >You're at a university and who knows what hideous equipment is A >plugged in nearby.  Who knows when said equipment may be running 8 >or not.  Try plugging the Alpha into an uninterruptibleA >power supply or some other device that will feed it clean power. > >If that isn't available try it elsewhere on campus or at home; >where the power is less likely to be contaminated by heavy  >electrical equipment. >  > 	 >Regards,  > 
 >David Mathog  >mathog@caltech.edu       C >If you're afraid the CPU might get too hot, you can check it with:  >f$getsyi("temperature_vector")  > J >I can't remember under which OpenVMS version this became available, but I$ >beclieve it's in the 7.x somewhere. >  >--  >Syltrem >   D Thanks a lot for your hints. However, I did not update over VMS v7.1H (because of TCPIP services) and that lexical is unrecognized (and is not: documented in HELP Lexicals, nor any alternative lexical).  J Besides, I would not know what the proper temperature of the CPU should be like...   J The capacitor was visually inspected and, the tested by a technician (I doD not how). The 7.0 volts were measured with the fan unplugged: beforeH startup, the supply is 0.6v (!), and after some 1.5 minutes it raises toJ those 7.0, when the heat sink (which has a sensor attached) gets warmer. I? do not know if a "second speed" (higher voltage) should set in.   I As suggested above, I will try another fan. It is not only cheap but also H easy: the fan lies aside and in front of the CPU; the heat sink is cleanJ (all the inside of the box has been thoroughly cleaned on a "regular" 9-15 months basis).  K Sometimes the system crashes after a "cold start" (say, immediately after 3 5 hours powered off and with the power cord unplugged).   J Room temperature is 22 +- 2 degrees (although, for the first two years outJ of eight, this machine has had to suffer temps ranging from +10 to +35). II have set the room fancoil down to 20 +-1 (pretty cold now, I will have to J wear somehow heavier clothes than a short sleeved shirt). The top cover isH still off. An UPS is out of question, as is carrying the Alpha home (I'dK love having an Alpha at home, but the marshals would catch me long before I  leave the Campus).     Thank you, again   Miguel =C1ngel Us=F3n  >>------------ >Dept. of Inorganic Chemistry  >University of Zaragoza  >E-50009 SPAIN   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:23:36 +0000 (UTC) , From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis)2 Subject: Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit. Message-ID: <clolio$16l$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes in article <jfNfd.218$dq4.12413@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> dated Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:21:18 -0400: C >If you're afraid the CPU might get too hot, you can check it with:  >f$getsyi("temperature_vector")  > J >I can't remember under which OpenVMS version this became available, but I$ >beclieve it's in the 7.x somewhere.  J Your system has to have the supporting hardware though.  Does the 255 have4 it?  I'd be surprised, because the 500/400 does not.  . $ wr sys$output f$getsyi("temperature_vector")B %SYSTEM-E-NOT_LOADED, system service or exec routine is not loaded  \TEMPERATURE_VECTOR\   J My 1200s give me FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, and my DS20Es both say # FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF1E.     ; Is there a list of models which actually have this feature?   0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:57:35 -0400 $ From: Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com>2 Subject: RE: ANN: VTfm and HINDEX freeware updatesJ Message-ID: <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE8605AED241@lespaul.process.com>   > -----Original Message-----; > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net] ) > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:54 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 4 > Subject: Re: ANN: VTfm and HINDEX freeware updates >  >  > Hunter Goatley wrote:  > [...]  > >     - HINDEX > > < > >       HINDEX search OpenVMS HELP libraries for keywords.> > >       Thanks to Mike Duffy.  This version includes changes< > >       to compile and run on OpenVMS IA64, in addition to > >       VAX and Alpha. > G > That sounds like it could be the core of a "whatis" facility for VMS. E > UN*X folks would be more at home with that than simply browsing the  > on-line help.  >   ; Thanks for the idea.  Hunter and I are currently looking to > update the entire archive, if possible, for IA64.  When that's; closer to finished, I'll come back to this one and see what  it would take to do that.    -Mike Duffy       ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2004 07:30:39 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing 7 Message-ID: <Xns958F60DD9ED28dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   E %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, David Froble wrote in news:417F14ED.300@tsoft-inc.com    > Garry wrote: >  > D >> Thanks to all who replied, looks like the OpenVMS for me would beF >> about $500, which on top of the hardware,  a bit pricey for me (for0 >> what will be almost exlusively a web server). >>  > >> It's a shame as the DS10L seems quite reasonable at Island.  A > While you can spend some time in acquiring and building a Linux B > system, the $500 isn't unreasonable if you're looking at using a' > Microsoft server version of windows.    G I checked the given website for configuration, the $500 figure is only  I for a base license.  That won't include an IP stack so it isn't suitable   for Garry's needs.  D For comparison, I found Microsoft Small Business Server licensed at G $1399.  When compared with the EIP license at $1400, I'd say VMS was a  J clear winner.  Now, comparing with Linux comes down to whether or not you H want to go supported or unsupported.  I had a lot more trouble tracking H down a quote for that.  I found SuSE Enterprise Server 8.0 for 630 GBP, E that's roughly $1134, so there isn't that much of a difference there  I either.  Oh and 9.0 is available, at least according to the SuSE website.      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 03:20:36 -0700( From: banditstan2000@yahoo.co.uk (Garry)1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing = Message-ID: <b5652016.0410270220.3906a5c1@posting.google.com>   e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<417EF27B.2B7CB82E@comcast.net>...  > Garry wrote:
 > > [snip]K > > Thanks to all who replied, looks like the OpenVMS for me would be about K > > $500, which on top of the hardware,  a bit pricey for me (for what will ' > > be almost exlusively a web server).  > F > For the record (and so we can forward this to the brass at HP), what- > would be more affordable for you than $500?  >  > --    F I guess, in an ideal world, I'd like a deal like Sun can do, $1000 forE a brand new 1U server, with the OS preinstalled. I might not buy that @ machine, but it's price would put down secondhand prices. But toC answer your question, $200-$300 would be OK. 'per employee' pricing ? would be OK too, so a two person company like mine can get onto E OpenVMS cheap, but I don't mind paying more when the company expands,  and can afford it.   Cheers   Garry    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 03:27:19 -0700( From: banditstan2000@yahoo.co.uk (Garry)1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing = Message-ID: <b5652016.0410270227.511923ad@posting.google.com>   X David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote in message news:<417F14ED.300@tsoft-inc.com>... > Garry wrote: >  > L > > Thanks to all who replied, looks like the OpenVMS for me would be about L > > $500, which on top of the hardware,  a bit pricey for me (for what will ' > > be almost exlusively a web server).  > > ? > > It's a shame as the DS10L seems quite reasonable at Island.  >  > S > While you can spend some time in acquiring and building a Linux system, the $500  V > isn't unreasonable if you're looking at using a Microsoft server version of windows. >  >  > Dave   F You're absolutely right, I don't think that OpenVMS is not worth $500,; but it's quite a lot for me, for just a web server. I'm not D considering Windows or Linux, but I am considering Solaris, which is0 pretty affordable, even with the SPARC hardware.  ? I agree completely that $500 is not much for peace of mind, and D security, the reason I'm considering OpenVMS (besides an interest inD trying different OS's) is that you just don't see reports of OpenVMS being compromised.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:28:43 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing , Message-ID: <417F8631.B2F471CE@teksavvy.com>   Garry wrote:A > I agree completely that $500 is not much for peace of mind, and F > security, the reason I'm considering OpenVMS (besides an interest inF > trying different OS's) is that you just don't see reports of OpenVMS > being compromised.    N There is a "big picture" to this.  VMS is technically scalable from desktop to super computer.   L The owners however have chosen to un-l;everage that scalability, restricting VMS to higher end systems.  M Linux will hurt proprietary systyems big time in the long term. Why ? Because M small companies will start with cheap Linux systems and once they've deployed L on liux, they are likely to simply grow with Linux. By the time they are bigM enough to buys the niche-restricted VMS systems, all fo their staff will have $ a unxi bias and won't recomment VMS.  A You need to get VMS a foot in the door while companies are small.   J You know, the owner of VMS should expand the hobbyist programme to make itM easy for startups to start on VMS wit some sort of clause that they'll get it M free for a limited time and then have to pay a modest sum to get the software N that they need. (this way, when they start on VMS, they get plenty of licenses; to test drive many of the legacy software available on VMS)   N WSince HO doesn't intend to sell VMS to small business, giving it for free forJ a klimited time woudln't deprive HP of any revenus, but would instead spurI sales of hardware and if customers are happy, would then spur support and N licence revenus when those small businesses decide it is worth staying on VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:48:01 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing , Message-ID: <4qWdnSdQtodpF-LcRVn-2w@igs.net>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Garry wrote:B >> I agree completely that $500 is not much for peace of mind, andG >> security, the reason I'm considering OpenVMS (besides an interest in G >> trying different OS's) is that you just don't see reports of OpenVMS  >> being compromised.  >  > E > There is a "big picture" to this.  VMS is technically scalable from  > desktop to super computer. > B > The owners however have chosen to un-l;everage that scalability,( > restricting VMS to higher end systems. > G > Linux will hurt proprietary systyems big time in the long term. Why ? F > Because small companies will start with cheap Linux systems and onceF > they've deployed on liux, they are likely to simply grow with Linux.B > By the time they are big enough to buys the niche-restricted VMSG > systems, all fo their staff will have a unxi bias and won't recomment  > VMS. > C > You need to get VMS a foot in the door while companies are small.  > D > You know, the owner of VMS should expand the hobbyist programme toC > make it easy for startups to start on VMS wit some sort of clause D > that they'll get it free for a limited time and then have to pay aE > modest sum to get the software that they need. (this way, when they E > start on VMS, they get plenty of licenses to test drive many of the # > legacy software available on VMS)  > G > WSince HO doesn't intend to sell VMS to small business, giving it for B > free for a klimited time woudln't deprive HP of any revenus, butB > would instead spur sales of hardware and if customers are happy,> > would then spur support and licence revenus when those small/ > businesses decide it is worth staying on VMS.     L Good point. A facility in LMF used to support time-limited trials of layeredL products might work, but I'm not sure if it could be made to work to disable the o/s iteself after 365 days.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 05:59:03 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing ( Message-ID: <opsgi40pgczgicya@hyrrokkin>  F On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:20:44 -0400, John Smith <a@nonymous.com> wrote:   > David J Dachtera wrote:  >> Garry wrote: 
 >>> [snip]E >>> Thanks to all who replied, looks like the OpenVMS for me would be G >>> about $500, which on top of the hardware,  a bit pricey for me (for 1 >>> what will be almost exlusively a web server).  >>G >> For the record (and so we can forward this to the brass at HP), what . >> would be more affordable for you than $500? >  > > > Probably something that competes with free linux and Apache. > J > $500 isn't a lot to spend on a bulletproof vest if you expect you need   > one,I > and exposing a system on the internet these days is much like walking    > into a > 'free fire' zone.  >  > A I have both WASD and Apache, both are free, but WASD is superior.        --  C Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 17:55:33 +0000 - From: Garry <asdfasdfadsf@asdfasdfasdfre.com> 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing - Message-ID: <cloju5$iji$1@news.netkonect.net>    John Smith wrote:  > JF Mezei wrote:  >  >>Garry wrote: >>B >>>I agree completely that $500 is not much for peace of mind, andG >>>security, the reason I'm considering OpenVMS (besides an interest in G >>>trying different OS's) is that you just don't see reports of OpenVMS  >>>being compromised.  >> >>E >>There is a "big picture" to this.  VMS is technically scalable from  >>desktop to super computer. >>B >>The owners however have chosen to un-l;everage that scalability,( >>restricting VMS to higher end systems. >>G >>Linux will hurt proprietary systyems big time in the long term. Why ? F >>Because small companies will start with cheap Linux systems and onceF >>they've deployed on liux, they are likely to simply grow with Linux.B >>By the time they are big enough to buys the niche-restricted VMSG >>systems, all fo their staff will have a unxi bias and won't recomment  >>VMS. >>C >>You need to get VMS a foot in the door while companies are small.  >>D >>You know, the owner of VMS should expand the hobbyist programme toC >>make it easy for startups to start on VMS wit some sort of clause D >>that they'll get it free for a limited time and then have to pay aE >>modest sum to get the software that they need. (this way, when they E >>start on VMS, they get plenty of licenses to test drive many of the # >>legacy software available on VMS)  >>G >>WSince HO doesn't intend to sell VMS to small business, giving it for B >>free for a klimited time woudln't deprive HP of any revenus, butB >>would instead spur sales of hardware and if customers are happy,> >>would then spur support and licence revenus when those small/ >>businesses decide it is worth staying on VMS.  >  >  > N > Good point. A facility in LMF used to support time-limited trials of layeredN > products might work, but I'm not sure if it could be made to work to disable! > the o/s iteself after 365 days.  >  >   I I think JF is quite right, as they don't really sell to low end, pricing  - it low to entry level users will not hurt HP.   H I knew that old VMS versions did not include an IP stack, but I thought G in this day and age, that would have changed. So I guess I need a more  4 expensive version of OpenVMS to use TCP/IP stuff :-(  < I may still get the Hobbyist version for my own use, though.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:56:46 +0800  From: prep@prep.synonet.com 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing - Message-ID: <87k6tcdrqp.fsf@prep.synonet.com>   / Garry <asdfasdfadsf@asdfasdfasdfre.com> writes:   C > Thanks to all who replied, looks like the OpenVMS for me would be D > about $500, which on top of the hardware, a bit pricey for me (for/ > what will be almost exlusively a web server).   C That is probably cheaper than billyshite once you add enought extra B stuff to be usefull. More than BSD or Linux and Apache though, but% far more robust and secure with WASD.    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 07:02:48 -0700/ From: kenneth.randell@verizon.net (Ken Randell) H Subject: Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client< Message-ID: <79de9693.0410270602.8b1dfc9@posting.google.com>  # Various responses in-lined below...    > F >    The latest I see for VMS V7.3-1 is what I have (V5.3 - ECO 2) at:? > ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/layered_products/alpha/  >  In this directory I see:  0 DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4.PCSI-DCX_AXPEXE  ! which should be the ECO4 patch...    > 9 >    Couldn't miss, I think.  While playing, I got into a G > can't-shut-down/can't-start-up situation, too.  Rebooting helped that I > one.  Is the newer stuff available to hobbyist peons?  (Or is that peon 
 > hobbyists?)  >   A I presume the patch is available to hobbyists.  IANAL, YMMV, etc.    <Editorial> E Personally, I would think it's OK as I would also presume that HP et. F al., would want hobbyists to actually software that works (correctly &F predictably, even does the same thing twice).  TCP/IP 5.3 ECO2 doesn'tA fit in that category. I'm overwhelmed simply at the length of the A release notes describing the ECOs.  TCP/IP 5.4 isn't much better.  </Editorial>  A > > 2) Are you sure about the proxies/GIDs/UIDs are all the same?  >  > ALP $ tcpip sho prox > = > VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name  > D > ROOT              OND             0           1   urt.antinode.org > [...] D > ROOT              OND             0           1   ipc.antinode.org > [...]  > I > where "urt" is the Tru64 system which works, and "ipc" is the Sun which 
 > doesn't. >   @ Are you mounting the drives on your UNIX boxes as 'root' in bothD cases?  I have found that for my applications (where the mount isn'tF as root) I have had to set up 2 proxies; one for the mount and one for= the user(s) to actually read the directories & file contents.   N > > 3) Check ownership/ACLs on the root directory of whatever you are going to	 > > mount  >  >    Same thing: >  > ALP $ tcpip sho exp  > 3 > File System                             Host name  > M > /dka0                                   urt.antinode.org, ung.antinode.org, : >                                         ipc.antinode.org >   D Have you set up ACLs on the directory you are exporting so that your7 user 'ROOT' mentioned above in #2 has the right access?   H > > 4) You can debug some proxy issues by using sysconfig for the nfs... > > ' > > $@sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands  > > $sysconfig -q nfs  > >  > > will list parameters.  > > P > > There's one called ovms_proxy_debug (or something like that).  If you changeI > > it's value, and have an network operators console, you'll get various P > > messages for what it's trying to do.  I have notes at work on all of this; I- > > can find them tomorrow if you would like.  >   6 The parameter in question is actually vms_proxy_debug.  3 ucx sysconfig -r nfs vms_proxy_debug=0 turns it off ? ucx sysconfig -r nfs vms_proxy_debug=1 gives you mount messages A ucx sysconfig -r nfs vms_proxy_debug=2 gives you lots of messages   > Other things that have been suggested for performance/timeouts  ( 1) Increase quotas for TCPIP$NFS account= 2) Turn off TCP connections on UNIX side; use UDP if possible C 3) Change default caching characteristics...this is described here:   M http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/6526/6526pro_047.html#nfs_s_tuning_sec   ? (This document is for TCP/IP 5.4 but I'm pretty sure most of it  applies to 5.3 ECO4)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:24:24 -0400 = From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com> H Subject: Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client1 Message-ID: <6pSdnTeKkOsrVuLcRVn-tw@adelphia.com>   = "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> wrote in message  $ news:iADfd.6854$8W6.2352@trnddc05... > Some things to try:  > J > 1) Update to the latest ECO for TCP/IP 5.3 ... I had many problems with  > ECO L > 2 (files magically disappearing and reappearing, NFS Server getting stuck  > inK > a COM loop or 'permanent' LEF state, would not properly shut down, etc.). 3 > NFS under 5.3 ECO 4 is/was much more predictable.  > ? > 2) Are you sure about the proxies/GIDs/UIDs are all the same?  > L > 3) Check ownership/ACLs on the root directory of whatever you are going to > mount  > @ > 4) Check exports are not being limited to certain IP addresses > F > 4) You can debug some proxy issues by using sysconfig for the nfs... > % > $@sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands  > $sysconfig -q nfs  >  > will list parameters.  > H > There's one called ovms_proxy_debug (or something like that).  If you  > changeG > it's value, and have an network operators console, you'll get variousuM > messages for what it's trying to do.  I have notes at work on all of this; i > I + > can find them tomorrow if you would like.n >s >  >e >i  F Be careful about that value, be sure to set it to 1.  Other values do M different things.  (I didn't think that I told anyone about this...)  And if uM your on an SMP system you should not do this because VMS won't allow console  ( access to anyone other than the primary.   -Johnr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:31:01 -0400i= From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com>iH Subject: Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client1 Message-ID: <KqudnUZK6O7ZUOLcRVn-ug@adelphia.com>n  G <sms@antinode.org> wrote in message news:04102523093614@antinode.org...IE >   For no very good reason, I recently resurected a SPARCstation IPCZD > running SunOS 4.1.4, and tried to NFS-mount a VMS-served disk.  It	 > failed:  >b > ipc# cd /net/alp/dka0 * > /net/alp/dka0: No such file or directory >aF >   The same Sun client can mount a Tru64-served file system, and thatJ > Tru64 system can mount the VMS-served disk.  All the VMS TCPIP proxy and@ > export settings look the same for the SunOS and Tru64 systems. >oA >   Does anyone already know what's wrong or where I should look?r >t > ALP $ tcpip sho vern >r@ >  Compaq TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.3 - ECO 25 >  on a AlphaStation 200 4/233 running OpenVMS V7.3-1m >iJ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >P5 >   Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-981874 >   382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org >   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547    H One of the things that SunOS does is to use TCP protocol.  Be sure that H you're getting the connections in.  I would actually recommend that you K mount "-o proto=udp" when you do this, as there were fixes to the TCP code e? and I don't recall what they were and what ECOs they went into.r  K In SDA there is a TCPIP SHOW PROXY command that will show you exactly what e# is loaded into the proxy subsystem.m  K If you need a little help trying to figure this out, you can contact me by a, email, john dot g at oh ess ess see dot net.   -John    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:26:52 +0200t( From: "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de>* Subject: Re: Problems with AS400 and KZPCM3 Message-ID: <001e01c4bbed$f2ecb960$994614ac@wat153>n   Hello,   David Froble wrotes:  2 .. Are you letting the DE500 autodetect speed? ...  F No. I did set it within the console to FastFD. Also the problem is notF the DE500-AA, which do function very well. The problem is the KZPCM, aH dual UWSE-SCSI and FastEthernet board. The FastEthernet will be dedektedF as DE500-AA, but I think that the implemantation is not as good as the original DE500-AA.   TIA and regards R. Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:45:43 +0000r7 From: David B Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>n* Subject: Re: Problems with AS400 and KZPCM* Message-ID: <417F4417.8030209@bigpond.com>  $ Rudolf Wingert mentioned in passing: > Hello, >  > David Froble wrotes: > 4 > .. Are you letting the DE500 autodetect speed? ... > H > No. I did set it within the console to FastFD. Also the problem is notH > the DE500-AA, which do function very well. The problem is the KZPCM, aJ > dual UWSE-SCSI and FastEthernet board. The FastEthernet will be dedektedH > as DE500-AA, but I think that the implemantation is not as good as the > original DE500-AA. >  > TIA and regards R. Wingert   Rudolf,   > I recall being told not to use the ethernet port on the KZPCM.> I don't recall if it was just do not use, or do not use if you also have disks connected.   Regards, Dave.V -- gI David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.comeI Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/rI DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmsI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:08:07 +0100a- From: John Laird <nospam@laird-towers.org.uk> * Subject: Re: Problems with AS400 and KZPCM8 Message-ID: <m10vn0lu10bida1ctp5m6avomhs8kpoor2@4ax.com>  F On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:48:37 -0400, David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:  O >Are you letting the DE500 autodetect speed?  Many posts have indicated "don't t >use autodetect".s  K A slight aside - we have just had another cluster reboot festival trying to.J get DE500s (of some variety) to behave themselves.  Setting them to FastFDJ using a Dlink 10/100 switch would force them to 100Mb, but at half-duplex.C This does horrible things to any data transfers.  Reverting back to H auto-negotiate showed the two ends did indeed negotiate fast full-duplexI properly and reliably.  We did not try rebooting the switch (this causing K more problems than rebooting the VMS nodes), it must be said.  Alphas are auB mixture of AS200s, 255s and an 800, all on 7.3-2 freshly upgraded.  K Considering the easy time my PCs and home router have with this (using verydL cheap or onboard network chips), something on our cluster is making a simpleK exercise look like very hard work.  I do wonder if it's the switch, though.d   -- e4 Thesaurus: ancient reptile with a great vocabulary.    Mail john rather than nospam...    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:35:55 -0400a( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>* Subject: Re: Problems with AS400 and KZPCM, Message-ID: <417FC05B.8060803@tsoft-inc.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:a   > Hello, >  > David Froble wrotes: > 4 > .. Are you letting the DE500 autodetect speed? ... > H > No. I did set it within the console to FastFD. Also the problem is notH > the DE500-AA, which do function very well. The problem is the KZPCM, aJ > dual UWSE-SCSI and FastEthernet board. The FastEthernet will be dedektedH > as DE500-AA, but I think that the implemantation is not as good as the > original DE500-AA. >  > TIA and regards R. Wingert >  >   N I'm far from knowledgable about such.  All I know is plug it in and it works. P Usually.  I once set a system to FastFD and network performance just died.  The P only explanation that seemed reasonable is that if FastFD is in use, everything N had better be able to use it.  I'd thought that the switches would handle any M differences, at least they should, but things still didn't work.  Re-setting eP back to half duplex resolved the issue.  To be honest, I still don't understand  the problem.   Dave   -- h4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadd Vanderbilt, PA  15486r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:25:39 +0200y4 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman.nospam@hp.com>' Subject: Re: Question about Descriptorst& Message-ID: <417F77A3.4B03F776@hp.com>   David Froble wrote:n >  > Tom Linden wrote:f > 4 > > On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:31:50 -0400, Steve Lionel+ > > <Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> wrote:n > >i5 > >> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:24:50 -0400, David Froblee" > >> <davef@tsoft-inc.com>  wrote: > >>C > >>> You forgot BASIC, which may be the best at string processing.e > >> > >>I > >> BASIC?  PL/I?  MUMPS?  Pikers.  For string processing, no language Io > >> have ever > >> seen beats SNOBOL4. > >a= > > True, but did it do anything _besides_ string processing?y > P > I took a look at the PL/I docs.  Just a brief look.  Forgive me for not tryingM > to learn the language.  As for comparison, I did find one function that was P > interesting, REVERSE, which reverses the characters in a string.  Not sure why; > one would want to do that, but an interesting capability.   G From the dim recesses of memory, I recall using Basics XLATE to reverse  stringsu, (IIRC COBOL had a similar built-in function)F ... Very useful when programming for a Hebrew user interface on VT100s  
 <snipped.>   > Dave   -- dE --------------------------------------------------------------------->E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*eF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----t Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------p   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:22:19 -0400a( From: David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>' Subject: Re: Question about Descriptorst* Message-ID: <417FBD2B.50706@tsoft-inc.com>   Mike Rechtman wrote:   > David Froble wrote:d >  >>Tom Linden wrote:l >> >>3 >>>On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:31:50 -0400, Steve Lionelt* >>><Steve.Lionel@REMOVEintelME.com> wrote: >>>r >>> 4 >>>>On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:24:50 -0400, David Froble! >>>><davef@tsoft-inc.com>  wrote:  >>>> >>>>B >>>>>You forgot BASIC, which may be the best at string processing. >>>>>s >>>>H >>>>BASIC?  PL/I?  MUMPS?  Pikers.  For string processing, no language I
 >>>>have ever  >>>>seen beats SNOBOL4.> >>>>< >>>True, but did it do anything _besides_ string processing? >>>.P >>I took a look at the PL/I docs.  Just a brief look.  Forgive me for not tryingM >>to learn the language.  As for comparison, I did find one function that wasIP >>interesting, REVERSE, which reverses the characters in a string.  Not sure why; >>one would want to do that, but an interesting capability.  >> > I > From the dim recesses of memory, I recall using Basics XLATE to reversef	 > stringso. > (IIRC COBOL had a similar built-in function)H > ... Very useful when programming for a Hebrew user interface on VT100s >  > <snipped.> >  >>Dave >> >   Q XLATE is a rather neat capability.  It does need some set-up.  Basically (no pun aO intended) it uses the fact that every character is also a numeric value, "A" =  N 65, "B" = 66, and so on for ASCII.  If you have a string of characters set up Q such that the desired translation for each of your original characters is in the  N position indexed by the value of the original character, then the XLATE takes P the first string, one character at a time, and replaces each character with the M character in the translation string in the position indicated by the numeric Y  value of the original character.  J Sort of hard to describe, a picture is much better.  I used to use it for 1 translating ASCII to EBCDIC and also the reverse.a   Dave   -- r4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 170 Grimplin Roadd Vanderbilt, PA  15486    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 07:45:03 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer businesse, Message-ID: <eOCdnZK5QsDcF-LcRVn-3g@igs.net>  
 CJT wrote: > Kenneth Farmer wrote:b; >> The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer businessm, >> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19297 >> >> Interesting.  >> >> >> Ken >> >> OpenVMS.org( >> _____________________________________ >> Kenneth R. Farmer <><( >> SpyderByte: http://www.SpyderByte.com >> >>D > To me that sounds like a death knell for much of the company OTHERG > than printers.  Maybe it's why SUNW stock has been doing so well thisi > week.o    C Yeah, but that would be the shareholders problem - not carly(tm)'s.tJ Presumably she'd be head of Hewlett Packard - the printing company, so sheF could continue to produce millions of images of herself as Big Sister.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 07:28:11 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)p7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer businessC3 Message-ID: <815sGObSKOsI@eisner.encompasserve.org>x  M In article <417F1CF7.2080208@prodigy.net>, CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> writes:   I > To me that sounds like a death knell for much of the company OTHER than H > printers.  Maybe it's why SUNW stock has been doing so well this week.  H    I nice, neat way to deal with IA64 not becoming THE industry standard    chip.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 05:47:23 -0700. From: fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso)7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer businesso< Message-ID: <f30679fb.0410270447.3eaebb4@posting.google.com>  e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<417EF678.E37EB52C@comcast.net>...v > "Keith A. Lewis" wrote:o > >  > > "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes in article <n5Bfd.7026$YL.792847@twister.southeast.rr.com> dated Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:29:23 GMT:a= > > >The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer businessI. > > >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19297 > > # > > Oh crap -- another name change!c > > 0 > > "Innovative Technologies TCP/IP for OpenVMS"$ > > "Innovative Technologies C" etc. > 1 > Sounds like emasculation prior to evisceration.2 > D > Perhaps those who predicted it were more right than the rest of usF > wanted to believe. Alpha is a herring, Itanic soon will be, and thatG > leaves VMS with no CPUs other than those evil, if however ubiquitous,s1 > x86 CPUs and their newer siblings, the x86-64s.h > 9 > I guess 200+ million customers really CAN be wrong, eh?u > H > The epitaph of the VMS staff and their careers: "We may be dead-right,F > but damnit, we were right! ...even though being right killed us, our > careers and our product!"  >   E I have my doubts ! A company needs both markets: consumer market and  B the enterprise market.  Look at Sun ! We dont have Sun Printers at home,cC Sun cameras, or Sun paper-sheets. Sun dont have their phocus on them5 consumer market, so it depends only in big companies.sE HP is more stable because have incomes from the two markets. So, when  one1; market is OK and the other is not the company dont break ! :  F And VMS will not finish. ITs an important operating system. May be it can0@ become independent of HP.. a lot of ISVs develop for OpenVMS and dependB of them for their incomes. An OpenVMS Consortium would be welcome.     Regardsb   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:39:07 -0400H# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>t7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business , Message-ID: <dZKdnUbi6uXBBOLcRVn-ig@igs.net>   Bob Koehler wrote:G > In article <417F1CF7.2080208@prodigy.net>, CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>e	 > writes:  >nE >> To me that sounds like a death knell for much of the company OTHERiC >> than printers.  Maybe it's why SUNW stock has been doing so wells
 >> this week.a >oA >    I nice, neat way to deal with IA64 not becoming THE industryn >    standard chip.t    L This sort of reminds me of the 'Bring Out Your Dead' scene in Monty Python's
 "Holy Grail".s   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 08:04:32 -0700! From: tom@kednos.com (Tom Linden) 7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business0= Message-ID: <ef893e89.0410270704.6df59ca0@posting.google.com>u  b lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) wrote in message news:<clmodp$1cc$1@newslocal.mitre.org>... > "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com> writes in article <n5Bfd.7026$YL.792847@twister.southeast.rr.com> dated Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:29:23 GMT:V; > >The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer businessr, > >http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19297 > ! > Oh crap -- another name change!  > . > "Innovative Technologies TCP/IP for OpenVMS"" > "Innovative Technologies C" etc. > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.  * Just think about poor Terry, now it becoms; SKIT (Shannon Knows Innovative Technologies ) which doesn't ' translate too well into Scandinavian:-)    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:31:02 -0400 . From: "Ted Medenblik" <ted.medenblik@duke.edu>E Subject: SCP process coming in as a remote command vs a file transfers0 Message-ID: <cloevf$87b$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>  L I recently upgraded VMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4 and enabled SSH.  We have an AIXG system that needs to send files over and they want to use scp.  We have J public key authentication working as the scripting (from SAP on an AIX 5.2G system) does not pass password.  They get connected, but the file nevergJ comes over.  I noticed that the console messages make it process the loginJ command file (because for ftp jobs I have it send a console message).  The' logfile in the users directory is this:-   PDCFTP$ ty TCPIP$SSH_RCMD.LOGe
 $ Set NoOn/ $ VERIFY = F$VERIFY(F$TRNLNM("SYLOGIN_VERIFY"))k. user job terminated at 27-OCT-2004 11:13:19.20 Accounting information: 2 Buffered I/O count: 74 Peak working set size: 3984. Direct I/O count: 31 Peak virtual size: 173888# Page faults: 343 Mounted volumes: 02; Charged CPU time: 0 00:00:00.04 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:00.17   L So the RCMD in the log file makes it look like SSH is not detecting that the remote system is doing a SCP.p   Here is the console messages:   8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-OCT-2004 11:12:43.61  %%%%%%%%%%% Message from user INTERnet onhD INTERnet ACP SSH Accept Request from Host: 152.3.yyy.nnn Port: 51491   PDCFTP$ 8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-OCT-2004 11:12:46.70  %%%%%%%%%%% Message from userr$ _FTA77:, User xxx login executing...  
 Any ideas? Thanks,t
 Ted Medenblikb# ted dot medenblik (at) duke dot edun   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.597 ************************