1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 28 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 598       Contents:) Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit ) Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit ) Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit ) Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit ) Re: ANN: VTfm and HINDEX freeware updates @ BACKUP-F-PARSE ... is this due to protection on the tape device?( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing? Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client ? Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client ? Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client  Re: Failover in seconds  Re: Request . Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business. Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business@ Re: SCP process coming in as a remote command vs a file transfer@ Re: SCP process coming in as a remote command vs a file transfer@ Re: SCP process coming in as a remote command vs a file transfer Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert1 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Strange BACKUP message 1 Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Strange BACKUP message   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:43:13 -0400 * From: "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca>2 Subject: Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit3 Message-ID: <lRSfd.262$dq4.12782@tor-nn1.netcom.ca>   $ I don't know which models support it/ My Alpha 4000-100 says the CPU is at 15 Celcius 9 Alpha ES40 says between 18 and 20 Celcius for the 4 CPU's   0 Yours is 30 Celcius. Pretty hot! (86 Fahrenheit)  F I think around 90 degrees F it will shutdown. Or it it more than that?   --   Syltrem    OpenVMS 7.3-1 + Oracle 8.1.7.4H http://pages.infinit.net/syltrem (OpenVMS related web site, en franais)% ---zulu is not in my email address--- C "Keith A. Lewis" <lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG> a crit dans le message de ( news:clolio$16l$1@newslocal.mitre.org...8 > "Syltrem" <syltremzulu@videotron.ca> writes in article> <jfNfd.218$dq4.12413@tor-nn1.netcom.ca> dated Wed, 27 Oct 2004 09:21:18 -0400: E > >If you're afraid the CPU might get too hot, you can check it with: ! > >f$getsyi("temperature_vector")  > > L > >I can't remember under which OpenVMS version this became available, but I& > >beclieve it's in the 7.x somewhere. > L > Your system has to have the supporting hardware though.  Does the 255 have6 > it?  I'd be surprised, because the 500/400 does not. > 0 > $ wr sys$output f$getsyi("temperature_vector")D > %SYSTEM-E-NOT_LOADED, system service or exec routine is not loaded >  \TEMPERATURE_VECTOR\  > K > My 1200s give me FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, and my DS20Es both say # > FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF1E.  > = > Is there a list of models which actually have this feature?  > 2 > --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org@ > The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 12:56:01 -0700 ' From: David Mathog <mathog@caltech.edu> 2 Subject: Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit+ Message-ID: <clough$5u4$1@naig.caltech.edu>   % Miguel Angel Usn Finkenzeller wrote: L > The capacitor was visually inspected and, the tested by a technician (I doF > not how). The 7.0 volts were measured with the fan unplugged: beforeJ > startup, the supply is 0.6v (!), and after some 1.5 minutes it raises toL > those 7.0, when the heat sink (which has a sensor attached) gets warmer. IA > do not know if a "second speed" (higher voltage) should set in.   G Sounds like the fan speed may be regulated by the CPU temperature.  If  I true, the voltages you measure may be reasonable.  On the other hand, it  F could be a leaky capacitor or other bad component in the power supply B and it's taking too long to come up to the right voltage. Anybody H reading this thread have the hardware manual for this machine?  It would4 help to know what the fan voltage is supposed to do.   > K > As suggested above, I will try another fan. It is not only cheap but also J > easy: the fan lies aside and in front of the CPU; the heat sink is cleanL > (all the inside of the box has been thoroughly cleaned on a "regular" 9-15 > months basis).  G Even better.  You could get any fan of a similar size/capacity and run  I the power lines out to a separate DC power supply (borrow one, or use an  G AC fan) and that would keep the CPU cool no matter what the rest of the  system was doing.      > M > Sometimes the system crashes after a "cold start" (say, immediately after 3 7 > hours powered off and with the power cord unplugged).   G Too bad.  That probably means it has nothing to do with heat.  Consider D swapping the power supply (relatively inexpensive, if that isn't it I you'll at least have a spare.)  Hope it isn't something unpleasant, like  G a crack across a trace in the motherboard, or some stray bit of solder  . or a wire whisker causing an occasional short.     > The top cover isJ > still off. An UPS is out of question, as is carrying the Alpha home (I'dM > love having an Alpha at home, but the marshals would catch me long before I  > leave the Campus).  F Maybe you could borrow a UPS for a short while?  Surely there must be E some on campus.  The little Alpha's don't need a huge UPS, especially E for this, where you're not trying to run off batteries but just clean  up the line.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@caltech.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:56:28 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> 2 Subject: Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit0 Message-ID: <10o0kdiff1mi0da@corp.supernews.com>  % Miguel Angel Usn Finkenzeller wrote:   K > my Alpha 255, which I took for dead last July, is still running... But it I > crashes now and then. Alive periods range from less than a minute to 20 I > days (not the expected VMS/Digital reliability), and sometimes it takes D > many trials (resets, power cycles, whatever...) to get to a steadyJ > condition. Sometimes it stops while starting up, sometimes even earlier, > during configuration check.  > M > After this weekend's crash, I have overhauled it completely, and have found I > nothing. Now it has been up for 16 hours but I am afraid it might crash  > again at any time. > L > The famous 2.2 microFarad capacitor next to the mouse and keyboard outletsI > seems allright, the power supply puts out the expected +-12, +5 and 3.3 L > volts, all the connectors a were and are again firmly attached, and yet... > H > One thing I find strange is that the CPU cooling fan receives only 7.0K > volts. Is that what it should be? As said, the 12v reach the motherboard.   F I've got a 255 with a similar problem.  Every few weeks it just loses G its mind and goes into an endless cycle of crashing / trying to boot /  C crashing ...  this goes on until someone says "is the system down?"   > I have to power off, wait an hour and reboot.  Then it's fine.  & Good luck!  Let us know what you find.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:28:42 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 2 Subject: Re: ALPHA 255, in the intensive care unit, Message-ID: <4180594A.55E24D25@teksavvy.com>   Z wrote:G > I've got a 255 with a similar problem.  Every few weeks it just loses H > its mind and goes into an endless cycle of crashing / trying to boot / > crashing ...     Does it happen every 28 days ?   :-)    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 14:26:08 -0700 From: vershinin-vk@mtu-net.ru 2 Subject: Re: ANN: VTfm and HINDEX freeware updates< Message-ID: <b587d953.0410271326.23ea079@posting.google.com>  v Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com> wrote in message news:<63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE8605AED241@lespaul.process.com>... > > -----Original Message-----= > > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.nospam@comcast.net] + > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:54 PM  > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 > > Subject: Re: ANN: VTfm and HINDEX freeware updates > >  > >  > > Hunter Goatley wrote: 	 > > [...]  > > >     - HINDEX > > > > > > >       HINDEX search OpenVMS HELP libraries for keywords.@ > > >       Thanks to Mike Duffy.  This version includes changes> > > >       to compile and run on OpenVMS IA64, in addition to > > >       VAX and Alpha. > > I > > That sounds like it could be the core of a "whatis" facility for VMS. G > > UN*X folks would be more at home with that than simply browsing the  > > on-line help.  > >  > = > Thanks for the idea.  Hunter and I are currently looking to @ > update the entire archive, if possible, for IA64.  When that's= > closer to finished, I'll come back to this one and see what  > it would take to do that.  > 
 > -Mike Duffy   
 Hello, David!   ? When I was developing the VTfm I assumed that any computer prof C familiar with Norton Commander for PC or any similar program, where D function keys are standard now. So, F3 - View, F4 - Edit, F5 - Copy,= F6 - RenMov, F7 - MkDir, F8 - Delete, F10 - Quit. In VTfm for F VT-series terminals we have: F13 - View (invoke TPU in readonly mode),A F14 - Edit (invoke TPU in edit mode), F15(Help) - Copy, F16(Do) - F RenMov, F17 - MkDir, F18 - Delete, F20 - Quit. The analogy is obvious!E The differences are: F11 - GotoVMS (create a subprocess for work with ? DCL, but you can use and VTfm command line), F12 - GotoDir (set @ default the new directory), F19 - description of many other VTfm function keys.  
 Best Regards,  Vladimir Vershinin vershinin-vk@mtu-net.ru    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:31:41 -0700  From: Z <z@no.spam> I Subject: BACKUP-F-PARSE ... is this due to protection on the tape device? 0 Message-ID: <10o0iv4gbiev7c2@corp.supernews.com>   This is on Open VMS 7.1-2      $ show device mkc400 /full: Magtape $1$MKC400: (MYNODE), device type TZ89, is online, ? record-oriented device, file-oriented device, error logging is  ? enabled, controller supports compaction (compaction  enabled,).   G      Error count                    0    Operations completed   1911911 G      Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC             [SYSTEM] G      Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot   S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,W G      Reference count                0    Default buffer size       2048 G      Density                  unknown    Format               Normal-11 %      Allocation class               1   E Volume status:  no-unload on dismount, beginning-of-tape, odd parity.   G  From an acct (not SYSTEM) on MYNODE and while my default directory is   device:[DB.DATA.ARCH] :    $! $! I can INIT the tape $!A $ INITIALIZE/MEDIA_FORMAT=COMPACTION/OVER=(OWNER_ID,EXPIRATION) -  _$ MKC400: 261004  $!. $! But I can't write a saveset to the tape ... $!( $ BACKUP/LOG/LABEL=261004 [.*...]*.*;* - _$ MKC400:261004.SAV/SAVE_SET ? %BACKUP-F-PARSE, error opening MKC400:[DB.DATA.ARCH]261004.SAV; ? -RMS-E-PRV, insufficient privilege or file protection violation     C I'm trying to backup the contents of all subdirectories underneath   [DB.DATA.ARCH].   " Why can't I make this backup tape?   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 13:55:03 -0500- From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing 3 Message-ID: <AwzdRoTSy017@eisner.encompasserve.org>   K In article <87k6tcdrqp.fsf@prep.synonet.com>, prep@prep.synonet.com writes: 1 > Garry <asdfasdfadsf@asdfasdfasdfre.com> writes:  > D >> Thanks to all who replied, looks like the OpenVMS for me would beE >> about $500, which on top of the hardware, a bit pricey for me (for 0 >> what will be almost exlusively a web server). > E > That is probably cheaper than billyshite once you add enought extra D > stuff to be usefull. More than BSD or Linux and Apache though, but  : Only for those who value their own time at $ 0 (AU or US).  ' > far more robust and secure with WASD.    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2004 19:38:14 GMT From: healyzh@aracnet.com H Subject: Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client+ Message-ID: <clotf60vrj@enews3.newsguy.com>    sms@antinode.org wrote: F >    For no very good reason, I recently resurected a SPARCstation IPCD > running SunOS 4.1.4, and tried to NFS-mount a VMS-served disk.  It	 > failed:   L Just a thought, SunOS 4.1.4 is *OLD*, and I assume it can only handle NFSV2.0 Is the VMS disk served up using NFSV2 or NFSV3?    		Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:37:40 -0400 = From: "John Gemignani, Jr." <john@nfw-invalid.cibtrikker.com> H Subject: Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client1 Message-ID: <ytudncKa7sKPmh3cRVn-ig@adelphia.com>   L <healyzh@aracnet.com> wrote in message news:clotf60vrj@enews3.newsguy.com... > sms@antinode.org wrote: G >>    For no very good reason, I recently resurected a SPARCstation IPC E >> running SunOS 4.1.4, and tried to NFS-mount a VMS-served disk.  It 
 >> failed: > H > Just a thought, SunOS 4.1.4 is *OLD*, and I assume it can only handle  > NFSV2.1 > Is the VMS disk served up using NFSV2 or NFSV3?  >  > Zane >   G Both are enabled, use tcpip$rpcinfo to show the service registrations.  L Check the number of tcp_threads because if you set it to zero then it won't 7 serve NFS using tcp protocol.  As I suggested, use UDP.    -John    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:49:07 -0400 4 From: David R. Beatty <QWDavidER.TYBeattyUI@sas.com>H Subject: Re: Can't mount VMS-TCPIP-NFS served disk on SunOS 4.1.4 client8 Message-ID: <djuvn09jsokrqqoe0636loqkdp1acgob5f@4ax.com>  A On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:04:59 -0500 (CDT), sms@antinode.org wrote:   2 >From: "Ken Randell" <kenneth.randell@verizon.net> >  >   Thanks for the response. > 1 >> 1) Update to the latest ECO for TCP/IP 5.3 ...  > E >   The latest I see for VMS V7.3-1 is what I have (V5.3 - ECO 2) at: > >ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/layered_products/alpha/ >   >>  I had many problems with ECOO >> 2 (files magically disappearing and reappearing, NFS Server getting stuck in L >> a COM loop or 'permanent' LEF state, would not properly shut down, etc.).4 >> NFS under 5.3 ECO 4 is/was much more predictable. > 8 >   Couldn't miss, I think.  While playing, I got into aF >can't-shut-down/can't-start-up situation, too.  Rebooting helped thatH >one.  Is the newer stuff available to hobbyist peons?  (Or is that peon >hobbyists?) > @ >> 2) Are you sure about the proxies/GIDs/UIDs are all the same? >  >ALP $ tcpip sho prox  > < >VMS User_name     Type      User_ID    Group_ID   Host_name > C >ROOT              OND             0           1   urt.antinode.org  >[...]C >ROOT              OND             0           1   ipc.antinode.org  >[...] > H >where "urt" is the Tru64 system which works, and "ipc" is the Sun which	 >doesn't.  > M >> 3) Check ownership/ACLs on the root directory of whatever you are going to  >> mount >  >   Same thing:  >  >ALP $ tcpip sho exp > 2 >File System                             Host name > L >/dka0                                   urt.antinode.org, ung.antinode.org,9 >                                        ipc.antinode.org  > A >> 4) Check exports are not being limited to certain IP addresses  > G >   Too fancy for me.  (The Cisco DSL gizmo does enough of this to keep  >the riff-raff out.  (I hope.))  >  >TCPIP> sho servi /ful nfs >[...]	 >Security  > Reject msg:  not defined > Accept host: 0.0.0.0 > Accept netw: 0.0.0.0 > G >> 4) You can debug some proxy issues by using sysconfig for the nfs...  >>  & >> $@sys$manager:tcpip$define_commands >> $sysconfig -q nfs >>   >> will list parameters. >>  O >> There's one called ovms_proxy_debug (or something like that).  If you change H >> it's value, and have an network operators console, you'll get variousO >> messages for what it's trying to do.  I have notes at work on all of this; I , >> can find them tomorrow if you would like. > E >   I wouldn't object.  I'll be interrupting this entertainment for a A >week or so, so it'll be a while before I can run the experiment.  > I >------------------------------------------------------------------------  > 5 >   Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818 4 >   382 South Warwick Street        sms@antinode-org >   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547  
     Steve,  ;     TCP/IP V5.3 ECO 4 is there, here are the release notes:   a ftp://ftp.itrc.hp.com/openvms_patches/layered_products/alpha/DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0503-184-4.txt   ;     Are you trying to use automount on Solaris to mount it?   9     Finally, are you exporting an ODS-2 or ODS-5 disk and  does SunOS 4 support NFS V3?   David R. Beatty    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:13:37 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com>   Subject: Re: Failover in seconds0 Message-ID: <BYVfd.1739$B7.637@news.cpqcorp.net>   Dan Foster wrote: G > Er, I should point out that IBM has had a clustering product for some ? > time now (12 years) called HACMP (High Availability Clustered K > Multi-Processing. Originally known as HACMP/6000, later renamed to HACMP.   4 Thanks. I was aware of HACMP, as well IBM's Sysplex.   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 11:44:14 -0700 From: vershinin-vk@mtu-net.ru  Subject: Re: Request= Message-ID: <b587d953.0410271044.1883b836@posting.google.com>   e David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<417EF42A.622FB38D@comcast.net>...  > Muhammad Jahanzeb wrote: > > 	 > > Hello  > > F > > I have just joined a cellular company where I have been exposed toJ > > OpenVMS. Needless to say, I am a newbie in OpenVms and need immediate,D > > simple and easy reference material on OpenVms. Please share yourF > > thoughts on how I should proceed and any material you have (basicsG > > first). I am not sure, I will be deeply involved with vms but still ) > > want to stay comfortable with the OS.  > > H > > Will be obliged if anyone can share an easy to use command reference > > or related material. > G > If you're familiar with UN*X-like systems or Windows and such, take a I > look at the links in the Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page cited  > in the .sig of this post.  >  > --   > David J Dachtera > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > + > Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: $ > http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ > * > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    For all newbies in OpenVms!   2 For more comfortable work with this OS you can use2 VTfm - a Norton Commander style file and directory/ manager for VT-compartible terminal or terminal 2 emulators (PowerTerm, DECTerm from DECWindows...).P You can download a kit from http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~vershinin/vtfm.zip,7 unzip archive and read README.TXT. Try this my freeware  open source program.   Vladimir Vershinin,  vershinin-vk@mtu-net.ru    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:27:52 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business 0 Message-ID: <Y9Wfd.1741$i8.664@news.cpqcorp.net>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: : > The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business  F Carly Fiorina explained to CIOs in great detail why this isn't a good > idea: see http://www.rhsmith.umd.edu/cioforum/transcript3.html   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:37:18 GMT 1 From: Keith Parris <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> 7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business 1 Message-ID: <OiWfd.1743$s%7.436@news.cpqcorp.net>    Kenneth Farmer wrote: : > The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business  : By the way, this isn't a new rumor by any means. A sample:A Dec. 2001: http://www.dotprint.com/newspast/01_12_10.shtml#story5  Mar. 2002: Walter Hewlett,  L http://news.com.com/HP:+Big+shareholders+like+merger/2100-1001_3-857078.html Sep. 2003: Steve Milunovich,  : http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/6707112.htm' June 2004: Steve Milunovich yet again,  ? http://www.lancasteronline.com/pages/news/ap/4/hp_merrill_lynch    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:07:33 -0500 2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business + Message-ID: <41806275.8A62F8B8@comcast.net>    John Smith wrote:  >  > Bob Koehler wrote:I > > In article <417F1CF7.2080208@prodigy.net>, CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>  > > writes:  > > G > >> To me that sounds like a death knell for much of the company OTHER E > >> than printers.  Maybe it's why SUNW stock has been doing so well  > >> this week.  > > C > >    I nice, neat way to deal with IA64 not becoming THE industry  > >    standard chip.  > N > This sort of reminds me of the 'Bring Out Your Dead' scene in Monty Python's > "Holy Grail".    "But I'm not dead yet!"    "You will be."   "But I'm gettin' better..."    ...and of course...    "'Ow can you tell 'e's a King?"   " "'E 'asn't got shit all over 'im!"   --   David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:08:56 -0400 # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> 7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business , Message-ID: <POydnVWD-cpR_x3cRVn-1Q@igs.net>   Keith Parris wrote:  > Kenneth Farmer wrote: ; >> The Inquirer: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business  > G > Carly Fiorina explained to CIOs in great detail why this isn't a good @ > idea: see http://www.rhsmith.umd.edu/cioforum/transcript3.html    = That was a year and 2 weeks ago...this is now. Things change.   J "We are a leading provider in enterprise systems; the number one player inH Linux servers - we do about $2 billion, which is twice the next player -K Linux servers, NT servers, UNIX servers, supercomputing, the leading player I in storage, the leading player in management software, and we are now the 5 number three player in managed services outsourcing."   I Let's see....HP is also #1 in disaster tolerant computing between VMS and & NSK....but that doesn't get mentioned.  F HP is #1 in Linux servers? How'd she figure that. Pre-configured linuxL Proliants, Alphas and PA-Risc systems aren't flying off the shelf that fast,G so is she counting anecdotal remarks that someody in Peoria uninstalled A Windows and installed Red Hat on a recently purchased Wintel box?   $ She goes on to mention off the cuff,J "We power 95 percent of the world's securities transactions. 65 percent ofH the world's energy infrastructure is powered by our capability. We are aB far-reaching technology company." whose leading edge technology inH enterprise computing is derived from Digital and Tandem, so of course it merits no mention by name.  H Let's see....you have a 95% share in a market...something similar to theG percentage of votes that Stalin, Kim Il Sung/Jong, and Ceaucescu got in J staged elections, yet you go out of your way not to mention the technologyI that got you this high market share. Shrewd, very shrewd, to let everyone J think that it's Microsoft Windows behind this staggering market dominance.    J In this speech she mentions NT servers several times. Er... carly(tm) luv,E NT was obsolete about 5 years before you gave this little speech, and : de-supported by Microsoft about a year before your speech.     She also said,J "Many people said, "Why don't you spin off imaging and printing? Why don'tK you spin off PC? Take apart this portfolio." We kept it together because of % what we see happening in technology."   I Ok, so when do we really hear about what 'visions' you, carly(tm) of Arc, J see? Cause if all of it is just little Johnny wanting to print a copy of aF picture from a porno site, well that's fine by me but please leave theD serious computing stuff to a company that's serious about computing.   ----------------  D Hey Keith, I also saw the news today about SGI and Intel built a bigH supercomputer at Nasa Ames.......they had to build it there...it was the) only place with a big enough cooling fan.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:47:14 GMT   From: CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net>7 Subject: Re: Rumour is HP may spin off printer business * Message-ID: <41806BC3.7090704@prodigy.net>   John Smith wrote:  <snip>F > Hey Keith, I also saw the news today about SGI and Intel built a bigJ > supercomputer at Nasa Ames.......they had to build it there...it was the+ > only place with a big enough cooling fan.  >  > ( I assume it has its own substation, too.   --  D The e-mail address in our reply-to line is reversed in an attempt toC minimize spam.  Our true address is of the form che...@prodigy.net.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 13:26:05 -0500; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) I Subject: Re: SCP process coming in as a remote command vs a file transfer 3 Message-ID: <n1hxdXI6QcHC@eisner.encompasserve.org>   a In article <cloevf$87b$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>, "Ted Medenblik" <ted.medenblik@duke.edu> writes: N > I recently upgraded VMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4 and enabled SSH.  We have an AIXI > system that needs to send files over and they want to use scp.  We have L > public key authentication working as the scripting (from SAP on an AIX 5.2I > system) does not pass password.  They get connected, but the file never L > comes over.  I noticed that the console messages make it process the loginL > command file (because for ftp jobs I have it send a console message).  The) > logfile in the users directory is this:  >   E    The first thing I'd do is check the user's login.com, and sylogin, B    to see that all set terminal commands are protected by f$mode()    testing.   F    Then I'd get the process exit status from the audit log and fix any    error it might point to.   G    Of course, testing from some other node than the AIX system might be     helpfull, too.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:05:20 -0400 . From: "Ted Medenblik" <ted.medenblik@duke.edu>I Subject: Re: SCP process coming in as a remote command vs a file transfer 0 Message-ID: <clov1s$a0v$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>  J VMS to VMS works great (what else to we expect) - unfortunately I need the data from the AIX box.    H "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:n1hxdXI6QcHC@eisner.encompasserve.org... B > In article <cloevf$87b$1@gargoyle.oit.duke.edu>, "Ted Medenblik"  <ted.medenblik@duke.edu> writes:L > > I recently upgraded VMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4 and enabled SSH.  We have an AIX K > > system that needs to send files over and they want to use scp.  We have J > > public key authentication working as the scripting (from SAP on an AIX 5.2 K > > system) does not pass password.  They get connected, but the file never H > > comes over.  I noticed that the console messages make it process the login I > > command file (because for ftp jobs I have it send a console message).  The + > > logfile in the users directory is this:  > >  > G >    The first thing I'd do is check the user's login.com, and sylogin, D >    to see that all set terminal commands are protected by f$mode()
 >    testing.  > H >    Then I'd get the process exit status from the audit log and fix any >    error it might point to.  > I >    Of course, testing from some other node than the AIX system might be  >    helpfull, too.  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:34:55 -0400 : From: Rich Whalen <moc.ncr@nelahwvr  - read right to left>I Subject: Re: SCP process coming in as a remote command vs a file transfer 8 Message-ID: <9vb0o050im15mudsa225qj282mb5qpv5jk@4ax.com>  3 On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:31:02 -0400, "Ted Medenblik"  <ted.medenblik@duke.edu> wrote:   M >I recently upgraded VMS 7.3-2 and TCPIP 5.4 and enabled SSH.  We have an AIX H >system that needs to send files over and they want to use scp.  We haveK >public key authentication working as the scripting (from SAP on an AIX 5.2 H >system) does not pass password.  They get connected, but the file neverK >comes over.  I noticed that the console messages make it process the login K >command file (because for ftp jobs I have it send a console message).  The ( >logfile in the users directory is this: >    Is the AIX box using OpenSSH? = If so, then you'll never get it to work with TCP/IP services. E OpenSSH SCP is RCP over SSH, and it's looking to run a program called D SCP that will recognize that it is running as a server and accept orF provide the files as directed.  Its "protocol" is very simple, and has@ very little error reporting, which is why the SFTP protocol is a better choice.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:22:55 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> # Subject: Suggestion for TPU: revert , Message-ID: <41803BD6.7482EE31@teksavvy.com>  L In the event someone is still collecting suggestions for improvements on VMSJ applications, adding a  REVERT command (and in the decwindows interfacem a) FILE->REVERT menu) would be very welcome.   J It quicker to quit and then restart editor than deleting all the text, andG including the file again. (recalling the originall GET command yields a / "buffer anme already in use" annoying message).    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:37:18 GMT % From: "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com> ' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert = Message-ID: <i3Yfd.17077$5b1.5250@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>   ; "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote in message  & news:41803BD6.7482EE31@teksavvy.com...K > In the event someone is still collecting suggestions for improvements on   > VMS L > applications, adding a  REVERT command (and in the decwindows interfacem a+ > FILE->REVERT menu) would be very welcome.  > L > It quicker to quit and then restart editor than deleting all the text, andI > including the file again. (recalling the originall GET command yields a 1 > "buffer anme already in use" annoying message).   F TPU is a programming language.  EVE is an editor written in TPU.  You H probably have the source code for EVE in SYS$EXAMPLES: , take a look at K EVE$FILE.TPU and you can see how GET works and use that as a base for your   own REVERT.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:04:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> ' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert , Message-ID: <418053A2.92BB2800@teksavvy.com>   John Vottero wrote: G > TPU is a programming language.  EVE is an editor written in TPU.  You I > probably have the source code for EVE in SYS$EXAMPLES: , take a look at L > EVE$FILE.TPU and you can see how GET works and use that as a base for your
 > own REVERT.   ? That mentality is what led Linux Torvalds to write his own too.   E If we want VMS to succeed, it si the default vanilla VMS that must be M improved. Just adding a sheet of paper that says "here is VMS, now spend mega M hours writing your own basic features that come by defaylt with competing OS"  isn't good enough.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 02:29:49 GMT % From: Bob Harris <harris@zk3.dec.com> ' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert B Message-ID: <harris-B9CF63.22294827102004@cacnews.cac.cpqcorp.net>  , In article <418053A2.92BB2800@teksavvy.com>,/  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:    > John Vottero wrote: I > > TPU is a programming language.  EVE is an editor written in TPU.  You K > > probably have the source code for EVE in SYS$EXAMPLES: , take a look at N > > EVE$FILE.TPU and you can see how GET works and use that as a base for your > > own REVERT.  > A > That mentality is what led Linux Torvalds to write his own too.  > G > If we want VMS to succeed, it si the default vanilla VMS that must be O > improved. Just adding a sheet of paper that says "here is VMS, now spend mega O > hours writing your own basic features that come by defaylt with competing OS"  > isn't good enough.  G And your response is just as inflexible as the reply you are quoting.   - Can't it be possible for multiple approaches?   C Couldn't a customer develop an extension for EVE to do what the OP  H wanted.  Get it on the OpenVMS Freeware CD.  Make it popular.  Convince H OpenVMS developers this is such a customer desirable feature that it is < integrated into the base EVE package in some future version.  8 Why does it have to originate from an OpenVMS developer?  I Nothing wrong with asking.  And nothing wrong with OpenVMS providing the 5@ feature.  But why does that preclude other solutions?  2, 3, 4,  alternate solutions.  E Now personally, if I was in charge of TPU and EVE would be making it e look like vi :-)  2                                         Bob Harris  F PS.  There is a vi TPU emulator, and I used it on OpenVMS for about 6 - years, until I started working on Tru64 UNIX.s   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2004 17:29:52 -0700. From: spamsink2001@yahoo.com (Alan E. Feldman): Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Strange BACKUP message= Message-ID: <b096a4ee.0410271629.732ea022@posting.google.com>r  o peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<newscache$gtw36i$h211$1@news.sil.at>...fA > Today I had the need to move the data from one disk to another.lK > Normally I do this via a shadow copy but this time I tried BACKUP because  >  > $ SH DEV DSA1e > R > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntR > DSA1:                   Mounted              0  LUNA         248218080    42   1C > $1$DKA200:      (LUNA)  ShadowSetMember      1  (member of DSA1:)m$ > $ MOU/SYS DSA1/SHAD=$1$DKA400 LUNA* > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, LUNA mounted on _DSA1:O > %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMFAIL, _$1$DKA400: (LUNA) failed as a member of the shadow setiP > -MOUNT-F-MBRTOOSMALL, must be the same size or larger than logical volume sizeC > %MOUNT-I-ISAMBR, _$1$DKA200: (LUNA) is a member of the shadow setu > N > As I have currently no space for a backup saveset, I thought I give it a tryB > and see if BACKUP is now finally able to make a diskcopy withoutL > a saveset (I do know this limitation but OTOH I can't remember having seenJ > this documented in HELP BACKUP - I think I should check again sometimes) >  > $ MOU/FOR DKA4008 > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, SCRTCH mounted on _$1$DKA400: (LUNA) > $ BACK DSA1:/IMA $1$DKA400:cR > %BACKUP-I-INVQUAL, qualifier /$1$DKA400: is ignored with the /SINCE=BACKUP opera > tion > E > So, it is still not possible. But OTOH, look at this error message. L > I think one of the last BACKUP ECOs (I have VMS732_BACKUP-V0200 installed)6 > has/introduced problems with command line parsing...  0 Did you try putting /IMAGE in its proper place?:  !     $ BACK/IMAGE DSA1: $1$DKA400:h  D Since it appears to be a parsing problem, this may well work better.  E [Apologies if this appears twice: I've waited over a day for my first-E post on this to show up on Google groups and I think it fell thru theT cracks.]   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:02:39 -0500b2 From: David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net>: Subject: Re: [OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-2] Strange BACKUP message+ Message-ID: <4180614F.F5D97318@comcast.net>a   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > q > peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) wrote in message news:<newscache$gtw36i$h211$1@news.sil.at>... C > > Today I had the need to move the data from one disk to another.2M > > Normally I do this via a shadow copy but this time I tried BACKUP because  > >l > > $ SH DEV DSA1e > >wT > > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntT > >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntT > > DSA1:                   Mounted              0  LUNA         248218080    42   1E > > $1$DKA200:      (LUNA)  ShadowSetMember      1  (member of DSA1:)a& > > $ MOU/SYS DSA1/SHAD=$1$DKA400 LUNA, > > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, LUNA mounted on _DSA1:Q > > %MOUNT-I-SHDWMEMFAIL, _$1$DKA400: (LUNA) failed as a member of the shadow setnR > > -MOUNT-F-MBRTOOSMALL, must be the same size or larger than logical volume sizeE > > %MOUNT-I-ISAMBR, _$1$DKA200: (LUNA) is a member of the shadow setl > > P > > As I have currently no space for a backup saveset, I thought I give it a tryD > > and see if BACKUP is now finally able to make a diskcopy withoutN > > a saveset (I do know this limitation but OTOH I can't remember having seenL > > this documented in HELP BACKUP - I think I should check again sometimes) > >  > > $ MOU/FOR DKA400: > > %MOUNT-I-MOUNTED, SCRTCH mounted on _$1$DKA400: (LUNA) > > $ BACK DSA1:/IMA $1$DKA400: T > > %BACKUP-I-INVQUAL, qualifier /$1$DKA400: is ignored with the /SINCE=BACKUP opera > > tion > >oG > > So, it is still not possible. But OTOH, look at this error message.eN > > I think one of the last BACKUP ECOs (I have VMS732_BACKUP-V0200 installed)8 > > has/introduced problems with command line parsing... > 2 > Did you try putting /IMAGE in its proper place?: > # >     $ BACK/IMAGE DSA1: $1$DKA400:  > F > Since it appears to be a parsing problem, this may well work better.  H /IMAGE is non-positional. If it were a parsing problem, the bug would be$ in the CLI$ routines, not in BACKUP.   -- h David J Dachtera dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ) Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page:e" http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.598 ************************