1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 31 Oct 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 605       Contents:# ANN: Spring 2004 VMS SIG tapes sent ( Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing* Re: Looking for DCL 'virus' checker script* Re: Looking for DCL 'virus' checker script. Re: reading files from tape not written by vms Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert Re: Time Change  Re: Time Change   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:28:35 -0500 " From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>, Subject: ANN: Spring 2004 VMS SIG tapes sent, Message-ID: <pNydnax78ej-ahncRVn-vA@rcn.net>  L This is to announce the Spring 2004 VMS SIG tapes have been started down the3 old tree, so the usual folks have been sent copies.   H Dar Schumann (darnkatt@feist.com) is supposed to be head of the tree but@ those with older tapes can find the tree in the index directory.  G The old tree is getting far out of date though, so I am preparing a new G one. If you wish to be included (and particularly if I have had another J senility moment and not gotten one to someone who should have gotten a CD) please write me.   Include: 1. Your USmail address= 2. Are you willing to make a few copies of the CD for others? 7 	(the material has been on CD for some years now...much 9 	cheaper to distribute than tape, and as universal as the = 	old 9tracks were when this got started back in spring 1979.) F 3. Your phone number, email address, LUG info if any, or other contact 	info.  K Being able to duplicate a CD is the essential ability.  Meanwhile it should J be available in ftp or web sites in various places on the net as have past distributions.  G I am also particularly interested in user groups, since the contacts in F DECUS Canada, Europe, and Australia have not been updated in some time0 and I cannot be sure if the material gets there.   Thanks much    Glenn C. Everhart  Everhart@gce.com 156 Clark Farm Rd  Smyrna, Del 19977  302 659 0460    1 Contents are as follows (brief abstract summary):      Spring 2004 VMS/LT Sig Tapes   [VMSLT04A...] Directory Tree ------------- --------- ----  ? [.GNU]		New Gnu software including gcc, gnumeric, gnunet (p2p),  		gnuplot etc.: [.NET]		Miscellany from net, not necc. VMS related. Crypto7 		(legion of the bouncy castle java crypto set), eckbox 7 		(info on Eckard tv spying), imagemagick (handles many 6 		image formats), ods2 (reads VMS disks on other OSs),8 		Reactos (an NT behavior clone, all free source), unzip: 		(decompress), xpaint (new version drawing program), wine; 		(emulates many Windows APIs in non windows environments), 8 		Shareaza (another portable p2p package), Qemu (machine9 		emulator, can emulate x86 environment on other systems, : 		supposedly higher performance than Bochs), several more; 		docs inside files.9 [.OPENOFFICE]	Open Office (MS Office clone) source V1.1.2 @ [.SAMBA]	Latest Samba for VMS and releases. Shares MS shares and: 		printers with non windows systems including VMS and vice 		versa.> [.TK]		Many utils. BAT.ZIP;1   submit multiple cmds to a batch6 		queue BOSS.ZIP;1  Log in multiple times using pseudo2 		terminals CMPDIR-VMS.ZIP;1 Compare 2 directories: 		CMPDIR.ZIP;1   ditto DBS-BUILD_LIBRARIES.ZIP;1  libs for. 		dbs* DBS-ETHERWATCH.ZIP;1   ethernet monitor6 		DBS-LATWATCH.ZIP;1    lat monitor DBS-NETUTILS.ZIP;1; 		utils for monitoring ethernet DBS-NULLSYMBIONT.ZIP;1 null 7 		symbiont - use to handle queues DBS-ODSM.ZIP;1 online / 		disk space monitor - vax only DBS-PATCH.ZIP;1 : 		DBS-SCANLOCKS.ZIP;1 DBS-SYSRTL.ZIP;1 DBS-TAPEUTILS.ZIP;17 		FLIST-VMS.ZIP;1 FLIST.ZIP;1  file & directory manager 0 		(fullscreen) GETCMD.ZIP;1 process cmdline args; 		HGFTP.ZIP;1  ftp server, better than most commercial, for 5 		vms HGLOGIN.ZIP;1 "become" someone else w/o knowing ; 		password if you have p rivs HGSD.ZIP;1  fancy set default * 		LNMTOOL.ZIP;1 motif logical name browser* 		LWW-DIRSORT.ZIP;1  sort dir by date/time. 		LWW-DORMANT.ZIP;1 find inactive users in uaf5 		LWW-FUNCT-KEYS.ZIP;1  display keymap, show fcn keys / 		LWW-MODIFY-ATTRIB.ZIP;1 alter file attributes ' 		LWW-NEXT_UIC.ZIP;1 find next free uic 9 		LWW-PERSONA-DECW.ZIP;1  create new decterm logged in as 7 		someone else LWW-PERSONA.ZIP;1  login as someone else , 		LWW-REMTREE.ZIP;1  delete a directory tree; 		LWW-REMTREE_ZIP.1;1 LWW-REVERT.ZIP;1  change file version : 		numbers of files in a dir LWW-USERINFO-VMS.ZIP;1 display8 		user info from UAF MBU.ZIP;1 mailbox utility MMK.ZIP;1: 		MMS "clone" make utility UNZIP.ZIP;1  Decompress routine5 		VIEWFILE-VMS.ZIP;1  motif viewer/browser VTFM.ZIP;1 : 		Norton Commander style video term file manager ZIP.ZIP;1  		compress files. make archives.< [.VU]		VMS relevant utilities. ADVENTURE.ZIP;1 Colossal Cave: 		adventure src BASIC-LOCK-DLM.ZIP;1 BOCHS-2_1_1_TAR.BZ2;18 		x86 software emulator. Emulates a complete system with; 		peripherals.  BTVID-STB-VIDEO-W98.DRV;1 BZIP2-1_0_2.ZIP;1 / 		gnv bzip2 compressor for vms C-LOCK-DLM.ZIP;1 8 		C-TCPIP-TCP_DEMO.ZIP;1 CDRTOOLS-2_01A24_VMS.ZIP;1 burn* 		ISO or other CDs CDRTOOLS-2_01_TAR.BZ2;19 		CIFS-1_0_4-2_6_TAR.GZ;1 CURL-7_12_1-VMS-AXP.ZIP;1 Fetch ' 		http or ftp files by URL, resume from 9 		CURL-7_12_1-VMS-IA64.ZIP;1      point of interrruption, , 		check size etc.  CURL-7_12_1-VMS-VAX.ZIP;1/ 		CURL-7_12_1_TAR.BZ2;1 C_FILE_OPERATIONS.TXT;2 2 		D4X-2_5_0RC3_TAR.GZ;1 DECW-LOGIN-CUSTOMIZE.TXT;16 		DOS11.ZIP;1  Emulate DOS-11 including DOS RK05 image1 		DPLI043H_ZIP.GZ;1   PL/I compiler for alpha VMS 2 		DPLI044.ZIP;1 DUNGEON.ZIP;1 Old Dungeon game src8 		ECKBOX-V0_1A1_TAR.BZ2;1 Info on Eckard TV spying stuff; 		FINDRMS.SRC;2 FREETYPE-2_1_4.ZIP;1  Handle truetype fonts 7 		FREEVMS-0_0_55_TGZ.TAR;1  in-progress make Linux work + 		like VMS FUNNY-ANALOGIES.TXT;1   Humor!!! 3 		GD-2_0_26.ZIP;1  graphics GDCHART-V0011-4-1.ZIP;3 9 		graphics GDCHART0_11_4.ZIP;1 GHOSTSCRIPT-8_14_TAR.BZ2;1 / 		Display or print postscript on non PS devices : 		GHOSTSCRIPT-VAX-AXP-PCSIDUMP.ZIP;1 GNUPG-1_2_6_TAR.BZ2;18 		Like PGP but totally free, encrypts or decrypts files,3 		signs them.  GNV-AXPVMS-BISON-V0135--1_PCSI.ZIP;1 & 		GNV-AXPVMS-FLEX-V0205-4-1_PCSI.ZIP;1' 		GNV-AXPVMS-PATCH-V0205-4-1_PCSI.ZIP;1 ; 		GNV-BISON-1-35.TGZ;1 GNV-FLEX-2-5-4A.TGZ;1   GNV is a VMS 4 		"shell" and utility system that gives it many Unix0 		features GNV-PATCH-2-5-4.TGZ;1 GNV_ZIP.PATCH;2/ 		GRACE-5_1_16_TAR.GZ;1 ICC-COBOL_EXAMPLE.TXT;1 6 		IDLE-MON_VAX.HTML;1 IMAGEMAGICK-5_5_7_VMSPATCH.TAR;1' 		Build Imagemagick on VMS - tiny patch 9 		IMAGEMAGICK-5_5_8_VMSPATCH.TAR;1 JGRASP-VMS-WEDGE.ZIP;1 , 		JGRASP170.ZIP;1   Freeware IDE from Auburn9 		JGRASP_FOR_OPENVMS.TXT;1 JOHN-1_6_37.TAR-BZ2;1 Password 9 		cracker John the Ripper JPEG-6B.ZIP;1 Handle JPEG files : 		LDAP-VMS-WHATIS.ZIP;1 LGILDAPSRC_V10-LDAP-VMS.ZIP;1 LDAP6 		on VMS LIBGD-V0200-28-1.ZIP;2 LIBIMAGING-1_1_4.ZIP;11 		LIBPNG-1_2_5.ZIP;1   handles .png format images - 		LIBPNG-1_2_5_TAR.BZ2;1 LIBXML2-2_6_13.ZIP;1 3 		LIBXML2-V0206-11-1.ZIP;1 LIBXML2-V0206-13-1.ZIP;1 9 		MORE-VMS-DVD-WRT.TXT;1  Some info on writing DVD on VMS & 		MOSAIC3_7.ZIP;1  Web browser for VMS: 		MOZILLA-OPENVMS-ALPHA-M170.SFX_AXPEXE;1 Mozilla browser,- 		mailer etc. for VMS MOZILLA_RELNOTES.HTML;1 8 		MYSQL-4_0_20_VMS-BIG.ZIP;1   MySQL relational DBMS for7 		VMS MYSQL-4_1_5-GAMMA_VMS.ZIP;3 MYSQL-V0401-5-1.ZIP;3 : 		NETBSD-EMULATOR-HOWTO.HTML;1 OPENSSH-3_8P1_TAR.BZ2;1 SSH: 		secure shell, buildable on vms OPENSSL-VMS-AXPMAKE.COM;17 		PARRIS-VMS.ZIP;1 Many utils from lK. Parris including ; 		stuff to monitor memory, locks, display odd things in VMS 8 		, find master lock, show paths etc. etc.  Many cluster) 		and lock tools.  See readme.txt inside.  		PDFLIB-5_0_0_VMSPATCH.TAR;1 % 		PDFLIB-LITE-5_0_3-UNIX-SRC_TAR.GZ;1 8 		PHEX_2_1_4_80_SRC.ZIP;2    PHEX is another P2P sharing6 		system PHPBB-INS-GDE.TXT;1 PHPWASD121.ZIP;1 Let WASD8 		handle PHP somewhat PIVOT-BLOGGING-ON-VMS.TXT;1 Decent. 		blog package, builds on vms PIVOT-HELP.ZIP;14 		PIVOT_1_14_1_FULL.ZIP;1 PIVOT_1_14_1_UPDATER.ZIP;17 		PLI-PAK.ZIP;1 PLI037_ZIP.GZ;1  More VMS PL/I compiler : 		stuff PLIRTL044.ZIP;1 PYTHON-2_3_4-VMS-SRC.ZIP;1  Python- 		language for VMS PYTHON-2_4A2-VMS-SRC.ZIP;1 1 		PYTHON-V0203-4-1.ZIP;1 PYTHON_INSTALL-2_3.TXT;1 7 		REGINA-REXX-3_3_TAR.GZ;1 Allegedly very portable REXX 7 		version RMS-VMS-WISH-ITEM.TXT;1 RT11SWRE_TAR.Z;1 Some 5 		packages for use with SIMH (only) RTV53SWRE_TAR.Z;1 0 		RUBY-VMS-IGUIDE.HTML;1  Ruby languages for VMS1 		RUBY-VMS-RELNOTES.HTML;1 RUBYVMS_X181X014.ZIP;1 5 		SHILLELAGH.TXT;1 SIMHV32-3.ZIP;1  Emulator for many 3 		machines on VMS, on Windows and on other systems. ; 		Includes a Vax emulator that runs on Alpha or Windows PC, ; 		pdp11 emulators for these, and much more.  SIMTOOLS.ZIP;1 $ 		SOX-12_17_4_TAR.GZ;1  sound editor: 		SOX-12_17_4_VMSPATCH.TAR-GZ;1 SOX_-_SOUND_EXCHANGE.HTM;18 		SWISH-E-2_4_2-VMS-SRC.ZIP;1 Used for making searchable. 		web pages SWISH_E-V0204-2-1.ZIP;1 TECO.TXT;19 		UNZIP551_TAR.BZ2;1 decompressor UNZIPVMSMODS.DIR;1  VMS ; 		mods for unzip, claimed to help with ods5 VAX-SIMH.HTML;1  		VAXSIMH.ZIP;1  patches% 		VMS-GET-PROCESS-SYM-VALUE-SRC.TXT;1 1 		VMS-GOOD-ARTICLE.TXT;1 VMS-LOGINOUT-HOOKS.ZIP;1 4 		VMS-NAMECHANGE-SCRIPT.TXT;1 VMS-PCAP.ZIP;1 ckt sim4 		VMS72KITS.DIR;1  Some free utils built for vms 7.26 		VMSSWWHATTOOLS.ZIP;1  Sox sound editor VMS_X_FIX.H;1, 		WEBCALENDAR-0_9_43.TGZ;1 WEBCALENDAR.TXT;17 		WGET-1_9_1A_VMS.ZIP;1  Get http or ftp files, resumes 0 		from interruption point, ensures all get there) 		WGET-VMS_NOTES.TXT;1 WHOIS016-VMS.ZIP;1 9 		XAUTOLOCK-2_1_VMSPATCH.TAR;1  Loads of display hacks to ' 		lock idle display XAW3D-1_5E_TAR.GZ;1 1 		XAW3D-1_5E_VMSPATCH.TAR-GZ;1  3d graphics stuff 7 		XMCD-3_3_2_TAR.GZ;1 XMCDBIN-VMSAXP.ZIP;1 XPHOON.ZIP;1 : 		XSCREENSAVER-4_18_TAR.BZ2;1  more display hacks for idle: 		screen saving XVMSUTILS.ZIP;1 ZIPVMSMODS.DIR;1 More ods57 		mods for zip ZLIB-1_2_1.ZIP;1 zip compression library : [.WWW]		WASD HTTP server and system for VMS including mail 		connection utility.    ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2004 17:46:38 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> 1 Subject: Re: Ball-park figure for OpenVMS costing 7 Message-ID: <Xns9593BF484C487dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   ) %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, David J Dachtera wrote in # news:4183D800.376B4324@comcast.net    D > Think of it this way: rather than make the effort to modify UCX toG > recognize the VMS PAK, what they're doing in essence is sending out a " > UCX PAK along with your VMS PAK. >  > Does that help?   @ Fair enough, I made a wrong assumption when I read Base License.     Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2004 07:20:20 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow)3 Subject: Re: Looking for DCL 'virus' checker script 3 Message-ID: <dXMBCwdORwkR@eisner.encompasserve.org>   f In article <41846253@news.nb.nu>, Michiel Erens <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> writes:( > Do you mean this post by Ehud Gavron :J > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=29OCT199414505124%40hearts.aces.com  K Well, that's close, but I'm positive that the original had a several second J WAIT statement before the WRITE. It may have been from one of the internal DIGITAL notes conferences.  1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy 4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  ? 	Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:44:28 +0100 & From: Elliott Roper <nospam@yrl.co.uk>3 Subject: Re: Looking for DCL 'virus' checker script 1 Message-ID: <311020041344280269%nospam@yrl.co.uk>   > In article <dXMBCwdORwkR@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Bob Kaplow* <kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD> wrote:  1 > In article <41846253@news.nb.nu>, Michiel Erens 8 > <I.dont.want.spam@this.mailaddress.is.invalid> writes:* > > Do you mean this post by Ehud Gavron :L > > http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=29OCT199414505124%40hearts.aces.com > M > Well, that's close, but I'm positive that the original had a several second L > WAIT statement before the WRITE. It may have been from one of the internal > DIGITAL notes conferences.  ? Maybe it is in "Upgrade your applications from VMS to OpenVMS"?  ;-)    --  A I thought I would be the last on earth to mung my e-mail address.  fsnospam$elliott$$   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:15:28 -0500 " From: Glenn Everhart <gce@gce.com>7 Subject: Re: reading files from tape not written by vms , Message-ID: <QIydnbjDfdTaaRncRVn-oA@rcn.net>   briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: \ > In article <4182836D.7030503@nofs.navy.mil>, Blaise Canzian <blaise@nofs.navy.mil> writes: > J >>I am trying to read files off old 9-track tapes.  I am using a Microvax  >>with 9-track tape drive. >>C >>Some tapes were written on a Unix machine (Convex C-1) using the  H >>"vmsbackup" 3rd party software.  The resulting "backup" tapes are not 3 >>recognized by the microvax as valid backup tapes.  >>H >>Other were written by 3rd-party software that wrote FITS format files + >>separated by the usual end-of-file marks.  >>G >>I am looking for a combination of "mount" command options and "copy"  G >>command options (assuming these are the right two commands to use to  H >>mount the tape and copy files from the tape to disk) that will let me G >>read "bytes" from the tapes onto disk.  I would like vms to properly  G >>interpret end-of-file marks so that I can extract files from tape to  I >>files on disk (and not bytes on disk in a single file that I then have  H >>to parse for end-of-file characters and thus separate into files).  I K >>then plan to move the files to a modern Unix system, where I can examine  D >>the byte-order of the files, perhaps byte-swap them, and use some ) >>specialized software to read the files.  >>K >>Can anyone offer suggestions about how to mount and copy files off these  H >>tapes, in the microvax vms environment, assuming that what I want are G >>"bytes in files" that I can then manipulate afterward in a different   >>environment?  Thanks.  >  > H > ETAPE, is a utility that may come in handy.  I believe that it has theF > capability to copy from tape to container file on disk in a lossless
 > fashion. > D > If the records on tape are shorter than 32767 bytes, you should be
 > able to: > % > $ MOUNT /FOREIGN tape: /BLOCK=32768  > $ COPY /LOG tape: file1.dat  > $ COPY /LOG tape: file2.dat  > ...  >  > Eventually you will get:" > %COPY-S-COPIED, 0 records copied > C > This is normally your end-of-volume indication.  In certain cases ? > (empty files on labelled mag tape), you can have back to back A > tape marks that do not denote end of volume.  If you want to be = > utterly sure you're at end of tape then copy one more file:  >  > $ COPY /LOG tape: filen.dat  > ? > You'll probably get a parity error, position lost or similar.  >  > F > The files that you get from this process should have variable length1 > records, one record for each block on the tape.  > 9 > And you'll get one file for each tape mark on the tape.  >  > C > If the tape has fixed blocked layout, you can do some variant of:  > & > $ MOUNT tape: /BLOCK=8000 /RECORD=80C > $ SET MAG tape: /SKIP=FILE=12	! skip to the 12th file on the tape  > $ COPY tape: FILE12.DAT  > $ DISMOUNT /NOUNLOAD tape: > E > Now FILE12.dat will have fixed length 80 byte records automatically : > unblocked from the [up to] 8000 byte blocks on the tape. >  > 	John Briggs+ If you use $ mount/for/block=nnn/record=mmm H you can get fixed record length, which will avoid introducing any recordB counts into the image. /record=512 is generally a good choice. ;-) Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 06:18:34 GMT + From: LESLIE@JRLVAX.HOUSTON.RR.COM (leslie) ' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert 3 Message-ID: <_s%gd.30706$EI6.2906@fe2.texas.rr.com>   ) Marty O'Connor (moconnor@dvfs.com) wrote:  : K : I know what you mean about finger memory. I learned EDT at the same time  J : (and same company) and have literally been using EDT and/or EDT mapings L : in TPU/EVE for the last 25 years. In the early 90's I had to do some work I : on UNIX and had to use vi and never really had enough time to lear and  M : taylor the environment. My finger memory is EDT and I guess it will always   : be.  :   K Two people at Rice University, Charles Sandmann and Rush Record, developed  H an EDT look-alike editor they named ED, which runs on VMS, OS/2, MS-DOS,L Windows from a DOS window, and every dialect of unix they could gain access  to.   N    http://clio.rice.edu/EDstuff/ED_Overview.txt                                    "...ABOUT ED  M    ED is an EDT look-alike editor that is portable to many platforms. If you  K    use EMACS, you'll probably hate it, but it does have some nice features.       ED will:   N    o  Let you edit files on other hosts, if you are connected to the Internet.6    o  Display many files on the screen simultaneously.@    o  Save key definitions and other editor settings on command.@    o  Let you mark your spot in a file, and return to it easily.3    o  Let you put tab stops wherever you want them. .    o  Let you use wildcards in search strings.1    o  Let you redefine the keys on your terminal. L    o  Let you say things like: ED *.dat, if you want to edit all .dat files.?    o  Allow you to teach it how to talk to different terminals. E    o  Calculate the value of algebraic expressions that include math         functions.)    o  Sort a file or a portion of a file. $    o  Let you read the network news.  9    ED is free software, see the file COPYING for details.       ED is available from        ftp://clio.rice.edu/pub/  M    If you need a particular binary version and don't have a compiler to build G    it - send me a note.  I've got access to a wide range of systems..."   + The internal ftp client feature that reads:   L   "Let you edit files on other hosts, if you are connected to the Internet."  
 really means:   H   "Let you edit files on other hosts, if you are connected to a network"     --Jerry Leslie9   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:54:50 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert B Message-ID: <4184c47c$0$20929$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>  
 leslie wrote: + > Marty O'Connor (moconnor@dvfs.com) wrote:  > : M > : I know what you mean about finger memory. I learned EDT at the same time  L > : (and same company) and have literally been using EDT and/or EDT mapings N > : in TPU/EVE for the last 25 years. In the early 90's I had to do some work K > : on UNIX and had to use vi and never really had enough time to lear and  O > : taylor the environment. My finger memory is EDT and I guess it will always   > : be.  > :  > M > Two people at Rice University, Charles Sandmann and Rush Record, developed  J > an EDT look-alike editor they named ED, which runs on VMS, OS/2, MS-DOS,N > Windows from a DOS window, and every dialect of unix they could gain access  > to.  > P >    http://clio.rice.edu/EDstuff/ED_Overview.txt                                >  >   "...ABOUT ED > O >    ED is an EDT look-alike editor that is portable to many platforms. If you  M >    use EMACS, you'll probably hate it, but it does have some nice features.  [SNIP] > really means:  > J >   "Let you edit files on other hosts, if you are connected to a network" >  >  > --Jerry Leslie; >   Note: leslie@jrlvax.houston.rr.com is invalid for email   < SEDT is also available for various platforms including Unix.( http://users.rcn.com/anker/sedt/sedt.htm   Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:07:50 +0100 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de>' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert B Message-ID: <4184c788$0$22610$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net>   Bob Harris wrote:    [SNIP]H > Although if you had no choice but to use vi, then choose Vim.  Vim in K > compatibility mode is often the vi editor on most Linux distributions as  H > well as Mac OS X.  It is only commercial OS's like Sun, Tru64, HP-UX, 6 > that seem to still ship the original vi and not Vim. > 4 >                                         Bob Harris  I How well do the VI/VIM/VILE Editors when used on VMS support the various  H default and "typical" file formats for code, data and text, as generated" or required from native VMS tools?  H I really don't intend this to be a huge open-ended question demanding a H detailed discourse of potential contexts and conditions. I'm just askingD for your day-to-day experience within your own context. I suspect a I detailed answer would make a good start for a new dp book offering to be  5 placed next to those from Wisniewski and Winston. :-)    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2004 05:39:26 -0800  From: jordan.henderson@gmail.com' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert B Message-ID: <1099229966.526627.69110@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>  B > How well do the VI/VIM/VILE Editors when used on VMS support the various @ > default and "typical" file formats for code, data and text, as	 generated $ > or required from native VMS tools?  C VILE does a reasonable job, AFAICT, for most VMS text file formats, B reading them and presenting them as reasonable text and creating a& new verision with the same attributes.  C There is a problem with writing 4-byte header VFC files.  I've been B meaning to looking at this problem for years, but never got around to it.   -Jordan Henderson  jordan.henderson@gmail.com   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2004 06:10:32 -0800  From: jordan.henderson@gmail.com' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert C Message-ID: <1099231832.957945.267290@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   E >> I frankly really cannot see how such a 1970s editor would still be 
 "religion"8 >> today. Sounds like it is of the same vintage as TECO. > F > Never had to access a system from a remote location without a mouse? >   E And, not all mice are equal.  Some laptop mice are darn near unusable  for C real text editing, being just barely acceptable to select different  application  windows.   >  > bill   -Jordan Henderson  jordan.henderson@gmail.com   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2004 06:05:27 -0800  From: jordan.henderson@gmail.com' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert C Message-ID: <1099231527.718496.311560@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>   G > With Vi, you need to type an escape, then some command you wish to be  done, C > and then choose the command to put you back into text mode in the  right mode.  > / > With TPU, I type one key and continue typing.   D Yes, but reaching for the escape to switch modes is much the same as1 reaching for the keypads or mouse to move around.   F In fact, I think that if you watch people using an editor, they type a lot F and then they move around/delete cut/paste alot.  Editing is modal and
 vi fits this.   B With vi, I'm more flexible than with editors that depend on keypad> layouts.  I'm immediately productive when using laptops or Sun@ Workstations or whatever.  All I have to find and get used to is% where the control key and escape are.   D With vi, I can quickly move around using simple, mnemonic navigation keys, E like 'w' for word forward and 'b' for word back, and apply these same G navigation keys as modifiers to delete 'dw' and change 'cw' operations.   C I can use the find operator to find a character in the current line @ 'f<char>' and apply that as a motion modifier to a delete 'd' or? chane 'c' operation.  For example, If I want to delete the next F two words, it's just 2dw, if I want to delete everything up to the theF comma it's 'df,' I can apply the count to that and delete everthing upF to the next two commas '2df.  If I wanted to change the text up to the next comma, it's just 'cf,'.  D Show me another editor that's actually so conservative in keystrokes with these common operations.   G With GUI editors, I'm constantly reaching for the mouse, which is quite > a bit further away when compared to the escape key, to perform navigation.    -Jordan Henderson  jordan.henderson@gmail.com   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2004 06:06:03 -0800  From: jordan.henderson@gmail.com' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert C Message-ID: <1099231563.778743.116800@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   G > With Vi, you need to type an escape, then some command you wish to be  done, C > and then choose the command to put you back into text mode in the  right mode.  > / > With TPU, I type one key and continue typing.   D Yes, but reaching for the escape to switch modes is much the same as1 reaching for the keypads or mouse to move around.   F In fact, I think that if you watch people using an editor, they type a lot and then they F move around/delete cut/paste alot.  Editing is modal and vi fits this.  B With vi, I'm more flexible than with editors that depend on keypad
 layouts.  I'm @ immediately productive when using laptops or Sun Workstations or whatever.  All; I have to find and get used to is where the control key is.   D With vi, I can quickly move around using simple, mnemonic navigation
 keys, like@ 'w' for word forward and 'b' for word back, and apply these same
 navigationD keys as modifiers to delete 'dw' and change 'cw' operations.   I can use the C find operator to find a character in the current line 'f<char>' and 
 apply that as C a motion modifier to a delete 'd' or substitute 's' operation.  For  example,C If I want to delete the next two words, it's just 2dw, if I want to  delete everything G up to the the comma it's 'df,' I can apply the count to that and delete  everthing upF to the next two commas '2df.  If I wanted to change the text up to the next comma,  it's just 'cf,'.  D Show me another editor that's actually so conservative in keystrokes
 with these common operations.  G With GUI editors, I'm constantly reaching for the mouse, which is quite 
 a bit further < away when compared to the escape key, to perform navigation. -Jordan Henderson  jordan.henderson@gmail.com   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2004 06:10:15 -0800  From: jordan.henderson@gmail.com' Subject: Re: Suggestion for TPU: revert C Message-ID: <1099231815.166623.124520@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>   E >> I frankly really cannot see how such a 1970s editor would still be 
 "religion"8 >> today. Sounds like it is of the same vintage as TECO. > F > Never had to access a system from a remote location without a mouse? >   E And, not all mice are equal.  Some laptop mice are darn near unusable  for C real text editing, being just barely acceptable to select different  application  windows.   >  > bill   -Jordan Henderson  jordan.henderson@gmail.com   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:35:51 +0000 (UTC) % From: Dan Foster <usenet@evilphb.org>  Subject: Re: Time Change6 Message-ID: <slrnco9cit.8tt.usenet@gaia.roc2.gblx.net>  _ In article <41845947.816F1852@comcast.net>, David J Dachtera <djesys.nospam@comcast.net> wrote:  > A > That said, the method I'll be employing tonight goes like this:  >   >  1. Disable (Multinet's X)NTP./ >  2. DEASSIGN the SYS$TIMEZONE* logical names.  >  3. Change the system time. , >  4. Invoke SYS$STARTUP:TDF$UTC_STARTUP.COM# >  5. Re-enable and restart (X)NTP.  > H > 2-4 are done via SYSMAN and happen in rapid succession. 1 can still beJ > part of the automated procedure; however, MULTINET:START_SERVER.COM doesH > not run from SYSMAN - SUBMIT 5 to a node-specific batch queue instead.  F Hm? I don't know what version of Multinet and OpenVMS you have, but on" my OpenVMS 7.3-2/Multinet 5.0 box:  + SYSMAN> do multinet netcontrol ntp shutdown 1 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DUBHE - Connected to NETCONTROL server on "LOCALHOST" J < dubhe.catbert.org Network Control V5.0(10) at Sun 31-Oct-2004 9:33AM-GMT! < Starting shutdown of NTP server  < NTP server shutdown   	 ...and...   * SYSMAN> do multinet netcontrol ntp start  1 %SYSMAN-I-OUTPUT, command execution on node DUBHE - Connected to NETCONTROL server on "LOCALHOST" J < dubhe.catbert.org Network Control V5.0(10) at Sun 31-Oct-2004 9:33AM-GMT < Starting NTP server $ < NTP server started, process id 23B  A Is disabling it for a brief interval entirely really required, as 8 opposed to simply stopping and then later restarting it?   -Dan   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2004 07:17:57 -06004 From: kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) Subject: Re: Time Change3 Message-ID: <PkFi9zXGnO1a@eisner.encompasserve.org>   j In article <qT3SerqJ+Z0u@eisner.encompasserve.org>, kaplow_r@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) writes:M > Auto time change came about in 7.3 or perhaps 7.3-1. There is a non-dynamic K > sysgen param to enable it, and some logicals to set. But when I let it do M > its thing a year ago, there was a problem and it failed to change the time, / > so I had to do it the old fashioned way using K > sys$examples:daylight_savings.com. Supposedly this has been fixed, either L > via a patch, or in 7.3-2.. With my new job, I'm back at 7.1 for productionK > and using the command procedure to run batch jobs at 2am tomorrow. But my N > test system is at 7.3-2 and hopefully it will work right there. I'll let you$ > know around this time tomorrow :-)  ! Looks like 7.3-2 worked properly.   1 	Bob Kaplow	NAR # 18L	TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" & 		>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<K Kaplow Klips & Baffle:	http://nira-rocketry.org/LeadingEdge/Phantom4000.pdf L     www.encompasserve.org/~kaplow_r/    www.nira-rocketry.org    www.nar.org  1 	26-October, 2001: A day that will live in infamy 4 	Support Freedom: http://www.indefenseoffreedom.org/  ? 	Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is still voting for evil.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.605 ************************                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  tton,
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toolbarbutton[type="menu-button"]:hover > .toolbarbutton-menubutton-dropmarker,
toolbarbutton[type="menu-button"][buttonover="true"] > .toolbarbutton-menubutton-dropmarker,
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toolbarbutton[type="menu-button"]:hover:active > .toolbarbutton-menubutton-dropmarker,
toolbarbutton[type="menu-button"][buttondown="true"] > .toolbarbutton-menubutton-dropmarker,
toolbarbutton[type="menu-button"][open="true"] > .toolbarbutton-menubutton-dropmarker {
  -moz-border-top-colors: ThreeDShadow;
  -moz-border-right-colors: ThreeDHighlight;
  -moz-border-bottom-colors: ThreeDHighlight;
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  border: 1px solid transparent !important;
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