1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 03 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 489       Contents:! Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! RE: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! RE: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ! RE: A whopping 50 percent...  ??? ( Re: Big IA64 test coming in a few months( Re: Big IA64 test coming in a few months( Re: Big IA64 test coming in a few months cluster tunning  Re: CPU Temperature from DCL Re: CPU Temperature from DCL Re: Flat panel VT replacement? Re: Flat panel VT replacement? Re: Flat panel VT replacement? Re: Future of Decnet Re: Future of Decnet Re: Future of Decnet Re: Future of Decnet Re: Future of Decnet Re: Future of Decnet Re: Future of Decnet> How to monitor RAM usage and automatically send warning email?B Re: How to monitor RAM usage and automatically send warning email?B Re: How to monitor RAM usage and automatically send warning email?B Re: How to monitor RAM usage and automatically send warning email?B Re: How to monitor RAM usage and automatically send warning email? I need SMC  CD for Win20008 Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld" Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device" Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device" Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device" Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device" Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device" Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device" Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device  Re: misc questions about OpenVMSG OT - Racks of Itanic kit (was:Re: Big IA64 test coming in a few months) ( RE: Planned port of freeware to Itanium?( Re: Planned port of freeware to Itanium? Re: Posting etiquette  samba  RE: Single Signon  Re: Single Signon  Re: Single Signon ' Re: Standard Software Warranty Question # Re: strange decnet-plus problems... : Re: Sun, er....HP not selling enough Itanics to help Intel Re: Supported Itanium hardware Re: Supported Itanium hardware Re: Supported Itanium hardware Re: Supported Itanium hardware# tcpdump does not produce any output 1 Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank 1 Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank 1 Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank 1 Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank 1 Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank 1 Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank 1 Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank  Re: Yet Another Multia Question   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:47:25 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>* Subject: Re: A whopping 50 percent...  ???= Message-ID: <1o6dnQaImenixKXcRVn-og@metrocastcablevision.com>   = "glen herrmannsfeldt" <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote in message ) news:YMSZc.361294$%_6.177293@attbi_s01...  > Bill Todd wrote:   ...   L > > 2.  Can we extend the VAX architecture compatibly to 64 bits to carry usJ > > through the next 15 years or so?  Almost certainly not:  everything weJ > > currently know about processor design suggests that CISC won't be able toH > > keep up with RISC (who would've thunk you might be able to *emulate* CISC -J > > especially one as complex as VAX - at near-RISC speeds back then?  youD > > couldn't even have fitted the emulator on your chip, let alone a	 processor L > > as well), and the performance and price/performance divergence over thatK > > long a time would kill us.  So out goes the modest-change, medium-cost,  > > medium-term option.  > C > Who would have thought back then that IBM S/370 could be extended G > to 31 bit addressing, and 64 bit address/data compatibly, maintaining 3 > the ability to execute programs compiled in 1964.   J Actually, the point I was making above was related to performance (of CISCJ vs. RISC), not the ability to perform hardware emulation.  Back when AlphaL was in gestation, competitive performance (as well as price-performance) wasI getting to be a significant concern, and the potential hit from emulation . over time would have been seen as significant.  K By and large, I suspect that performance was considerably more important to J DEC VAX sales than it was to IBM mainframe sales (which is not to say thatK it was of no importance to the latter, of course).  And the market in which J VAX competed functioned was significantly more competitive in general thanI that for IBM mainframes.  IBM has always taken much more of a Rolls-Royce L attitude toward mainframe performance ("Adequate") than minis and superminisI have, and there's at least some reason to suspect that by the most common I processor performance metrics IBM's mainframe processors wouldn't look at 5 all competitive with those we're more familiar with..    - bill   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 08:16:37 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: RE: A whopping 50 percent...  ???3 Message-ID: <+gXZZFvztgYE@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <ch7bsm$72l$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>, m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) writes: > M > one might be tempted to say that x86 is so primitive that it is nearly RISC 
 > already.O > And so it is easier to put RISC inside than with any other CISC architecture.  >   D    The 4004 and 8008 might have been that primitive, but the 386 andJ    later have the set of the most complex instructions I've seen anywhere.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 08:14:54 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: RE: A whopping 50 percent...  ???3 Message-ID: <goPgfYxLJHUP@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ` In article <ch7avq$6qn$1@lnx107.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de>, m.kraemer@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) writes: > - > Well, the buzzword of the time was "open".    E    Which has a lot to do with the silent prefix getting stuck on VMS. @    Another "silver bullet", this one was thoroughly disproved byD    Microsoft introducing the most proprietary systems on the planet.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 08:19:31 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) * Subject: RE: A whopping 50 percent...  ???3 Message-ID: <HvmgM+uV4Sd$@eisner.encompasserve.org>   _ In article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECICEOGDLAA.tom@kednos.com>, "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes:  >  > D > But it does make a difference, speaking as a compiler writer.  TheC > 21064 took 17 ticks to compute A = B + C;  where these were 16bit A > integers, because there were no such instructions, on had to do E > shifts and masks.  That is another example of management's failure.   C    By the time the first Alpha's shipped most C code assumed 32 bit B    integers.  And adding the instructions to do 16 bit accesses onF    the early Alphas would have slowed down the memory subsystem enough/    to make those fewer ticks much slower ticks.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 04:43:12 -0500 + From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young) 1 Subject: Re: Big IA64 test coming in a few months 3 Message-ID: <da7v9MkKPmq5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4137CFCB.DF97849D@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > Rob Young wrote:L >>         I don't think so.  But no matter.  Opteron - like most things AMDO >>         does - will be a small subset of Intel's share regardless of segment  >>         we slice and dice.  > O > I am not so sure of that. Opteron will probably steal sufficient market share O > from the IA64 niche market to make IA64 more irrelevant, and Opteron will eat C > into Intel's 8086's market share more than previous AMD products.     A 	The x86 server market in Q2 2004 was around $5 billion.  Opteron ? 	took $191 million of that market segment.  How long before you ? 	think they'll hit 5% of the market?  Want to guess on how long 7 	it takes them to hit 10% of the market - if ever?  (1)    				Rob     G (1)  The data centers I've been in have racks of Intel kit and continue = 	to add Intel kit.  I don't see any racks of Opteron kit yet.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:24:22 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>1 Subject: Re: Big IA64 test coming in a few months = Message-ID: <ifednRm8Sd60_6XcRVn-ug@metrocastcablevision.com>   8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:da7v9MkKPmq5@eisner.encompasserve.org...    ...   B > The x86 server market in Q2 2004 was around $5 billion.  Opteron@ > took $191 million of that market segment.  How long before you@ > think they'll hit 5% of the market?  Want to guess on how long8 > it takes them to hit 10% of the market - if ever?  (1) >  > Rob  >  > I > (1)  The data centers I've been in have racks of Intel kit and continue > > to add Intel kit.  I don't see any racks of Opteron kit yet.  J And you don't see any racks of Itanic kit, either, despite said kit havingC been on the market for well over twice as long as Opteron has been.   I You don't project trends from current levels, Rob:  you project them from K the rates of *change* in those levels, and often from the second derivative  as well.   - bill   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:21:18 -0400* From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net>1 Subject: Re: Big IA64 test coming in a few months = Message-ID: <aOKdnamw14Ds_KXcRVn-rw@metrocastcablevision.com>   8 "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message- news:$lpDyZUgjEvr@eisner.encompasserve.org... K > In article <qc2dnTCF94M9narcRVn-rw@metrocastcablevision.com>, "Bill Todd"   <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: > > < > > "Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message1 > > news:7uIH6wPRUXA6@eisner.encompasserve.org...  > : > >> In article <413505E0.7D672381@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei* > > <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > >> >J > >> > If the release of IA64 comes much after the 8686 for intel, it will add  > > fuel> > >> > to the argument that IA64 will always lag the industry. > >> > > >>B > >> Not really.  You need to get out some more.  There was a good6 > >> recent discussion about Montecito (2005) Itanium: > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/3v2r5  > >>7 > >> >Freq = 8720 GFLOPs/s/(218 nodes * 4 CPUs/node * 4  > >> >GFLOP/cycle) = 2.500 GHz.  > >> >5 > >> >A nice even number. Hmmm 20 GFLOP/s per socket,  > >> >not bad at all!  > >>K > >> It's been stated that Montecito would double 1'5 6M I2 performance. It  > > appears 0 > >> clear now that it would be double per core. > > D > > Except, of course that it *won't* be double per core, as further exploration   > > of that thread would reveal. >  > No.   F Yes, Rob:  just because you don't understand something doesn't make it false.  8   As Jose went on - yes he acknowledged only 67% speedup > due to clock speed  J So *one* factor relating to performance already isn't doubling, just goingI up by 67%.  The point you seem to have difficulty grasping, Rob, though I G made it clear in the RWT discussion, was that *all* factors relating to I performance have to double, at least on average, if performance itself is  going to double.  )  - not taking into account other factors,  > i.e. 24 MBytes cache,   L When you're talking per-core (as was explicitly stated above), Rob, you onlyK get to talk about half the cache on a Montecito chip:  12 MB.  And doubling J the size of a cache (which 12 MB does over the current 6 MB) comes nowhereL near on average to making it doubly as effective, but I'll give you this one? case where at least the available *resources* actually doubled.   
 > faster bus,   I Maybe - there seems to be some confusion about whether those chipsets got K axed with so much else in the P4 (vs. Banias/Dothan) massacre.  But even if C they didn't get dropped, there were none which actually doubled the F bandwidth of the existing bus (it increased by either 1/3 or 2/3, save/ possibly in the single-processor configuration.   K And of course that's only bandwidth.  The *latency* of the bus doesn't drop K much at all, so the latency-sensitive portions of workloads aren't affected  much by the change.    > SoE-M,  F That actually does qualify as an incremental boost, at least for thoseK workloads which could profit from it.  And it's the *only* one that doesn't F have to be doubled in order to give credence to an overall performance	 doubling.    > compiler improvements.  K Compiler improvements apply to *all* Itanics, Rob:  to the degree that that K tide will rise at all (and it's been rising pretty slowly these past couple H of years, despite the rosy predictions of people like yourself), it will  lift all of them pretty equally.  D > But let's suppose *just* for the sake of argument these additionalE > factors only add 20% improvement over and above - okay 87% speedup.    Time for remedial math, Rob:  ! The clock speed increases by 67%.   E The cache size doubles:  it's hard to quantify exactly how that helps J scaling, especially since the cache *latency* may not drop much at all (itJ didn't in the McKinley-to-Montecito transition:  while the chip clock rateJ went up by 50%, the L3 latency increased from 10 cycles to 13 - 14 cycles,H keeping the absolute latency close to 10 ns.).  Call the cache changes aL wash:  if the rest add up to doubling performance, I won't quibble about the cache contribution.   J The bus bandwidth more or less tracks that (at least assuming that the newL busses didn't get dropped completely, a fact not yet in evidence):  from 33%> (in the quad-processor configuration) to possibly 100% (in theL single-processor configuration), so we'll call it an average of 67% there as well.   H The bus latency doesn't improve much at all, thus dragging the aggregate+ performance improvement so far *below* 67%.   K And SoeMT helps for *some* workloads, so we'll add something for that - but L still not enough to reach a full 100% boost (don't forget:  actually *using*J SoeMT places significant additional per-core burdens on both the cache andL on other chip resources, partially offsetting whatever gain SoeMT provides).   > 1 > > Not even if Montecito actually can run at 2.5 H > > GHz, which the difficulty that Intel is reportedly having bumping upF > > Madison's speed (it's now being reported that they're cutting back Madison I > > 9M to 1.6 GHz rather than the target 1.7 GHz, which is kind of ironic  given H > > the recent speculation at RWT by Itanic fans that they might hit 1.9 GHz) > = > You're referring to the DigiTimes rumor.  Paul slapped that  > down:  >  > http://tinyurl.com/6wajy > J > >As indicated previously, the Madison 9M will have a 9MB L3 cache but it will runH > >at a clock speed of 1.6GHz, instead of the originally planned 1.7GHz, said" > sources at Taiwan server makers. > 7 > Given the long introduction lead time for server MPUs 6 > and early shipment of production class parts to OEMs: > for qualification, a delay or frequency shortfall of the4 > type suggested is extremely remote IMO. Especially6 > since Intel is widely expected to announce the I2 9M > at IDF *next week*.  > 9 > So we can safely dismiss the 1.6 GHz rumor as pure FUD.   K We can?  Purely on the basis of a statement which Paul clearly qualified as J an *opinion*, when Digitimes is reporting something it claims to have some actual basis for?   2 I think not.  Let's see what Intel says next week.   ...   I > > Not to mention the question of whether even if Montecito can clock at  2.5 K > > GHz they can *cool* it with both cores running at that speed.  There is  someL > > talk of real miracles in this area, but then there's been enough of thatH > > kind of talk throughout Itanic's rather disappointing life that it's hard1 > > not to take it with a grain or three of salt.  > B > October (or in this case) September surprise.  The details about? > Intel's power reducing technologies as swirled through RWT as ? > we know.  But yes - nice to know details.  The fact that Paul ? > pointed out from that German presentation about 2.5 GHz parts ; > coming must mean they are coming that or Intel is telling  > customers fables.   < You mean like the one you were told about 1.4 GHz McKinleys?   - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:08:12 +0100 + From: Rodrigo Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt>  Subject: cluster tunning) Message-ID: <m3u0uf5ttf.fsf@pixie.isrnet>   D I have a cluster with two nodes, say xpto1 and xpto2, where xpto1 is@ the "master", and xpto2 is a sattelite node, booting via network@ (interconnect=ethernet), with a local disk just for swapping and paging.    What I want to do is:   D 1. To make a shadow disk of system disk at xpto1, in a local disk ofF node xpto2. Given a mounted disk, how can I setup a shadow disk? Is it8 possible, or all shadow members have to be erased first?  E 2. To make xpto2 boot from that shadow. Is it possible to boot from a F local shadow, and then synchronize everything with the other member of the shadow, in another node?   Cheers,    Rodrigo    --    : *** Rodrigo Martins de Matos Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt>. ***  Web page: http://www.isr.ist.utl.pt/~yoda0 ***   Teaching Assistant and PhD Student at ISR:7 ***    Instituto de Sistemas e Robotica, Polo de Lisboa 4 ***     Instituto Superior Tecnico, Lisboa, PORTUGALH *** PGP fingerprint = 0119 AD13 9EEE 264A 3F10  31D3 89B3 C6C4 60C6 4585   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:53:08 -0400< From: "Peter Weaver" <WeaverConsultingServices@sympatico.ca>% Subject: Re: CPU Temperature from DCL * Message-ID: <2preqlFo6t50U1@uni-berlin.de>   Fabio Cardoso wrote: >...D > Are these values in Celsius or Fahrenheit ? My systems are working( > fine. And I have only 4 CPUs - not 6 !    C The f$getsyi("temperature_vector") gives you a string of 2 byte hex @ numbers. This is the temperature in Celsius, the program you ranF converted the Celsius into Fahrenheit. So the last two numbers in your< example are 27, this is 39 Celsius, which is 102 Fahrenheit.  D 4 CPU's and 2 power supplies would be my guess, but I could be wrongE there. Our 3 CPU ES40 has 6 temperature points, our 2 CPU ES40 has 5.    You might want to check out : http://dcl.openvms.org/stories.php?story=03/07/10/8132100.   --   Peter Weaver Weaver Consulting Services Inc.  Canadian VAR for CHARON-VAX  www.weaverconsulting.ca    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:38:03 -0500 ( From: brandon@dalsemi.com (John Brandon)% Subject: Re: CPU Temperature from DCL 1 Message-ID: <04090310380314@dscis6-0.dalsemi.com>   - I received this e-mail from Charles Durfee...   1 I believe he intended to send this to info-vax...     L You will note that his investigation cleared up the number of CPU's questionL you are having - as in you only have 4 but there are 7 CPU/sensors reflected in the output...    , cpu # 0 (or sensor) = PCI ZONE 2 (slots 4-6)- cpu # 1 (or sensor) = PCI ZONE 1 (slots 7-10) , cpu # 2 (or sensor) = PCI ZONE 0 (slots 1-3) cpu # 3 (or sensor) = CPU1 temp  cpu # 4 (or sensor) = CPU2 temp  cpu # 5 (or sensor) = CPU3 temp  cpu # 6 (or sensor) = CPU4 temp        Here is Charles post to me:     N <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip> All,  N I'm a "lurker" on comp.os.vms and have been for several years.  When the issueO of cpu temp arose, I lurked again.  Here are some results.  A frequent question N on compost.vms ;-) has been what cpus this command procedure refers to when itI generates several or more CPUs with no other identifying info.  J.Brandon 2 addressed this a bit his addition of INT SENSOR.     Based on -  ! 	* comparison with RMC>env output & 	* the ES40 Owner's Guide, page 4-19, H 	( which slots are said to be in which zone# doesn't make sense, but...)F 	* Paul Jacobi's 2001 (?) posting and those of John Brandon, et al, in 2004, N I think I've got a decent report.  Feel free to find a way to soft code what I) hard coded and to modify for other boxes. L  National Semiconductor seems to answer some of the reliability questions ofO lm78, from Hoffman about any sensor's readings, by saying the temps are good to N w/i +-3 degrees C.  Other compost.vms posters (john brandon, 4/2004) correlate* numbers above 80 with ES40 system trouble.  M I switched the order of labels ("sensor") - CPU is last because that's how it K worked when comparing cpu_temperature.com to RMC results during CPU and fan  swaps.   $! $! CPU_TEMPERATURE.COM $! $ nodename=f$getsyi("nodename")  $ set noverify $ on error then goto exit  $ temp_high_limit = 80 $! $!. $ temp_vector = f$getsyi("temperature_vector") $ save_status = $status  $! $ if (save_status .eq. %xfba)  $ then6 $    write sys$output "ERROR - Status: ''save_status'" $    goto exit $ endif  $!@ $ write sys$output "-------------------------------------------"A $ write sys$output "    ''nodename' ES40 CPU Temperature Monitor" @ $ write sys$output "-------------------------------------------" $! $ cpu   = 0 
 $ sensor = ""  $ warn_flag = "FALSE"  $! $!* $!---------------------------------------- $ cpu_loop:  $ pos = (30-cpu*2)0 $ temp_vector_chk = f$extract(pos,2,temp_vector)8 $ if (temp_vector_chk .nes. "FF") then gosub temp_report $ cpu = cpu + 1 % $ if (cpu .lt. 16) then goto cpu_loop  $! $!* $!---------------------------------------- $ exit:  $ exit save_status $! $!* $!----------------------------------------	 $ failed: $ $ write sys$output "STATUS = FAILED" $ exit $! $!* $!---------------------------------------- $ temp_report: $ PCI_MSG = ""- $ temp = (%x'temp_vector_chk * 900) /5 + 3200  $ temp1 = temp / 100 $ temp2 = temp - (temp1 * 100) $!& $ if (temp .ge. (temp_high_limit*100)) $ then+ $   warn_msg = "WARNING - HIGH TEMPERATURE"  $   warn_flag = "TRUE" $ else $   warn_msg = ""  $ endif  $! $ dts = f$cvtime() $ if (cpu .EQ. 0) " $       then sensor = "PCI ZONE 2" $       pci_msg="slots 4-6"  $ endif  $ if (cpu .EQ. 1) " $       then sensor = "PCI ZONE 1" $       pci_msg="slots 7-10" $ endif  $ if (cpu .EQ. 2) " $       then sensor = "PCI ZONE 0" $       pci_msg="slots 1-3"  $ endif + $ if (cpu .EQ. 3) then sensor = "CPU1 TEMP" + $ if (cpu .EQ. 4) then sensor = "CPU0 TEMP"  $ write sys$output -A f$fao("!16AS  !10AS !10AS temperature !4SW.!2ZW Fahrenheit !AS",- ( dts,sensor,pci_msg,temp1,temp2,warn_msg) $ return $! $!N <snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip><snip>     J*o*h*n B*r*a*n*d*o*n  VMS Systems Administrator * firstname.lastname.spam.me.not@dalsemi.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:33:39 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>' Subject: Re: Flat panel VT replacement? * Message-ID: <2pqoj7Fnq28jU1@uni-berlin.de>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:W > In article <00A37471.B8EEB644@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  >  > J >>I have a POwerbook G4 17" laptop with has built-in bluetooth.  I orderedK >>Apple's bluetooth wireless keyboard.  It has the look, feel and layout of  >>the LK keyboards.  >  > + > Control key directly to the left of "A" ?  > - > And is there an equivalent wired keyboard ?   H The "Apple Pro keyboard" I have is USB, and from Brian's description it F sounds like it is the equivalent. As opposed to PC keyboards it has a D full LK style numeric keypad. 2 USB ports to the rear and a 1 metre  extension cable is included.  = Alas, the control key is where the shift key is on a true LK.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:07:32 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG' Subject: Re: Flat panel VT replacement? 0 Message-ID: <00A3750D.2A4AAEC1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <riODvBo3p3G$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: V >In article <00A37471.B8EEB644@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: > K >> I have a POwerbook G4 17" laptop with has built-in bluetooth.  I ordered L >> Apple's bluetooth wireless keyboard.  It has the look, feel and layout of >> the LK keyboards.   > * >Control key directly to the left of "A" ?  J All of my LK keyboards have the caps lock key next to the "A".  So does myK Apple bluetooth.  The control key is located next to what would be the com- J pose character key on the LK.  This move allows the keyboard to be squared, off in a more convenient portable platform.     , >And is there an equivalent wired keyboard ?  ' dunno...  I want to do away with wires.  --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 16:59:05 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>' Subject: Re: Flat panel VT replacement? * Message-ID: <2prf5uFon0dvU1@uni-berlin.de>    VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:e > In article <riODvBo3p3G$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > W >>In article <00A37471.B8EEB644@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:  >> >>K >>>I have a POwerbook G4 17" laptop with has built-in bluetooth.  I ordered L >>>Apple's bluetooth wireless keyboard.  It has the look, feel and layout of >>>the LK keyboards.   >>+ >>Control key directly to the left of "A" ?  >  > L > All of my LK keyboards have the caps lock key next to the "A".  So does my > Apple bluetooth.  F How I understood Larry's question was "Is the control key on the same E row as "A"?" It is on my LKs, but separated by the nicely small caps  	 lock key.   E In contrast, the wretched caps lock key on my iBook is 3cm wide. The  E only wider key is the Enter key at 4cm. I see from your picture that  I both your PowerBook and separate keyboard have different keysizes on the   LHS from jmine.   < >  The control key is located next to what would be the com-L > pose character key on the LK.  This move allows the keyboard to be squared. > off in a more convenient portable platform.  >   " Now I look again, that is correct.  E One point I forgot for Larry. According to the Apple website, my USB  E keyboard requires OS X 10.2, but the label on the box says "Requires   10.2.5 or later".    --  9 BTW, I HATE THAT OVER LARGE CAPS LOCK KEY ON MY MY iBook.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 08:32:59 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Future of Decnet 3 Message-ID: <xL408B29rzoo@eisner.encompasserve.org>   \ In article <4137DD1D.4FFE9DC3@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> writes: > E > A corporation defines its needs. It finds the cheapest product that T > strategically fits its IT infrastructure and which meets the minimum requirements.  C    A corporatoin misunderstands it's needs and buys a cheap product C    because there's a lot of hype around it.  Then they throw enough >    money at it to make it workable and pass the cost on to itsC    customers.  As long as that extra cost is bearable on the market &    we just all pay more for bad stuff.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 08:26:27 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Future of Decnet 3 Message-ID: <uR1jkKGQPOpu@eisner.encompasserve.org>   n In article <f30679fb.0409020508.56b4c6bc@posting.google.com>, fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: > Dear Sirs  > = > As Decnet is becoming an almost extincted protocol,why not  - > HP opens or give it: to IEEE for example ?  A > May be it can be improved as an industrial automation protocol.   B    Because as it stands I can run it on my LAN and not worry about6    anybody on the great wide Internet getting into it.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 08:29:12 -0500 ; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler)  Subject: Re: Future of Decnet 3 Message-ID: <WTUpYwNscQq5@eisner.encompasserve.org>   W In article <m3eklkd8ug.fsf@pixie.isrnet>, Rodrigo Ventura <yoda@isr.ist.utl.pt> writes:  > H > LAT and DECnet have much in common, namely the fact of both have beingH > developed by DEC, and are used in VMS, Ultrix, Digital UNIX, and maybe > also Tru.  >   I    VMS and TOPS-20 were also "both developed by DEC", but I wouldn't look     for too much in common.  2    DECnet is also used on Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, ...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:21:53 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>  Subject: Re: Future of Decnet * Message-ID: <41387E01.3A1C8D@teksavvy.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  D > Depending on how you measure efficiency LAT is much less efficient/ > than CTERM (the SET HOST protocol in DECnet).   P Can someone explain this statement ? In what way would CTERM be more efficient ?   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:30:02 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> Subject: Re: Future of Decnet - Message-ID: <ch9v5a$2ldd$1@news.cybercity.dk>   / Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: ? > In article <f30679fb.0409020508.56b4c6bc@posting.google.com>, 2 > fabiopenvms@yahoo.com.br (Fabio Cardoso) writes: > = >> As Decnet is becoming an almost extincted protocol,why not - >> HP opens or give it: to IEEE for example ? B >> May be it can be improved as an industrial automation protocol. > G > As far as I know, HP still makes money from selling it, so why should  > they give it away? > E > I think confusing quantity and quality is one of the great evils of  > modern society.  > G > Porsche sold just a fraction of the cars Renault did.  Shouldn't they  > "open source" them?  > F > Porsche is by far the most profitable German automobile company, andE > make the best cars in the world.  (They are actually quite cheap, a D > much better car than, say, a Ferrari for a fraction of the price.) >    Best ? A matter of opinion) Better than Ferrari ? A matter of opinion ) Are Porsche profitable ? A matter of fact   D Do Porsche make great cars ? A matter of opinion, but definitely yes0 Will Porsche Open Source ? Not in our lifetimes.  K Do I want an Enzo or a GT3 ? Easy, Enzo every time - Porsches are perfectly ' functional but oh so boring. Yaaaawnnn.   	 Dr. Dweeb   K ps: Since I have Italian roots, and Philip is German, I guess all this goes  without saying :-)  G > Isn't the specification already public?  Didn't non-DEC machines used  > to use DECnet?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 07:53:45 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>  Subject: Re: Future of Decnet ' Message-ID: <41388579.7030900@MMaz.com>    Larry Kilgallen wrote:  V >In article <413741AD.4070101@MMaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> writes: >    >  >>Roy Omond wrote: >> >>     >> >>>Fabio Cardoso wrote:  >>> 	 >>>        >>> 
 >>>>Dear Sirs  >>>>         >>>> >>>(rather presumptuous ?) >>> 	 >>>        >>> H >>>>As Decnet is becoming an almost extincted protocol,why not HP opens F >>>>or give it: to IEEE for example ? May be it can be improved as an # >>>>industrial automation protocol.  >>>>         >>>>< >>>The DECnet protocol is completely open, unhindered by any3 >>>"proprietariness", as you are evidently unaware.  >>> 	 >>>        >>>  >>DECnet yes, LAT no...  >>     >> > E >Not the BI bus either, but what does one have to do with the other ?  >  >  >    > I Still have an 8250 with 9tk and RA's that I've been too lazy to hall off  J - BI was certainly one of Digitals worse decisions as it relates to VMS...   Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 16:56:56 +0100 - From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com>  Subject: Re: Future of Decnet * Message-ID: <2primiFoo3r6U1@uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:    > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > D >>Depending on how you measure efficiency LAT is much less efficient/ >>than CTERM (the SET HOST protocol in DECnet).  >  > R > Can someone explain this statement ? In what way would CTERM be more efficient ?  + JF, Larry is (as usual) absolutely correct.   @ Hint: think about how the echoing of characters you type on your@ keyboard appears on the screen.  Then think how CTERM might have? implemented this in order to reduce network traffic (bearing in 9 mind that it is a very, very clever piece of software :-)   ) The rest is left as an exercise etc. etc.   	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 00:54:39 -0700g% From: dterzic@hemo.net (Dejan Terzic) G Subject: How to monitor RAM usage and automatically send warning email?e= Message-ID: <3fbb7bf7.0409022354.43ad91d6@posting.google.com>i   Hi!t  < I need to create command procedure which will monitor systemC parameters (RAM memory usage) for OpenVMS cluster consisting of twotD nodes and if it drops below 70% send a warning e-mail to a specifiedE address. It can be a batch job which will start every 10 minutes. ButeD I don't know how to extract RAM usage to a variable and how to start8 mail utility from command procedure. Can anyone help me?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:37:22 +0200r& From: Andreas Gruhl <gruhl@isidata.de>K Subject: Re: How to monitor RAM usage and automatically send warning email? * Message-ID: <41382D42.4F3FB183@isidata.de>   Dejan Terzic wrote:    > Hi!o >n> > I need to create command procedure which will monitor systemE > parameters (RAM memory usage) for OpenVMS cluster consisting of tworF > nodes and if it drops below 70% send a warning e-mail to a specifiedG > address. It can be a batch job which will start every 10 minutes. ButeF > I don't know how to extract RAM usage to a variable and how to start: > mail utility from command procedure. Can anyone help me?  0 Here is a small example (working on VMS 7.3-2) :   $ OPEN/WRITE F MEMAIL.TMPs7 $ WRITE  F "Memory Size    = ", F$GETSYI("TOTAL_PAGES") 6 $ WRITE  F "Free Pages     = ", F$GETSYI("FREE_PAGES"): $ WRITE  F "Modified Pages = ", F$GETSYI("MODIFIED_PAGES")
 $ CLOSE  F0 $ MAIL /SUBJECT="Memory Size"  MEMAIL.TMP  GRUHL  	 Good luckb
 Andreas Gruhlu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:57:42 +0200 2 From: Karl Rohwedder <emil.mustermann@t-online.de>K Subject: Re: How to monitor RAM usage and automatically send warning email?e* Message-ID: <ch9blr$cjg14@doiweb4.b2x.vwg>   Dejan Terzic wrote:e > Hi!e > > > I need to create command procedure which will monitor systemE > parameters (RAM memory usage) for OpenVMS cluster consisting of twolF > nodes and if it drops below 70% send a warning e-mail to a specifiedG > address. It can be a batch job which will start every 10 minutes. ButsF > I don't know how to extract RAM usage to a variable and how to start: > mail utility from command procedure. Can anyone help me?   total = F$getsyi("total_pages")m free  = F$getsyi("free_pages")   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:15:24 +0100n- From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.UK.Com> K Subject: Re: How to monitor RAM usage and automatically send warning email?_* Message-ID: <2pr5n7Fof45uU1@uni-berlin.de>   Dejan Terzic wrote:e   > Hi!h > > > I need to create command procedure which will monitor systemE > parameters (RAM memory usage) for OpenVMS cluster consisting of twonF > nodes and if it drops below 70% send a warning e-mail to a specified > address.  [...snip...]  = Hurrah !  At last, someone who wants to be warned when memoryl< *usage* falls below 70%.  Might I suggest the wording of the warning:  3 	"You've paid $$$$$ for all this memory, and you'reo  	not making the best use of it."  & Only very slightly tongue-in-cheek ...  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:09:21 +0200m* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>K Subject: Re: How to monitor RAM usage and automatically send warning email?b* Message-ID: <2prfp5FnthkuU1@uni-berlin.de>   Roy Omond wrote: > Dejan Terzic wrote:  >  >> Hi! >>? >> I need to create command procedure which will monitor systemIF >> parameters (RAM memory usage) for OpenVMS cluster consisting of twoG >> nodes and if it drops below 70% send a warning e-mail to a specifiedr >> address.  [...snip...]  >  > ? > Hurrah !  At last, someone who wants to be warned when memoryl> > *usage* falls below 70%.  Might I suggest the wording of the
 > warning: > 8 >     "You've paid $$$$$ for all this memory, and you're% >     not making the best use of it."t > ( > Only very slightly tongue-in-cheek ... >   ? $ write sys$output "Total pages = ", f$getsyi("total_pages"), - 1          " Free pages = ", f$getsyi("free_pages")t% Total pages = 65536 Free pages = 9233k  I I was obviously robbed! But then again, this is a second hand system, so a not really :-)   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 10:25:41 -0700t* From: hartsoot@ucs.orst.edu (Tom Hartsook)# Subject: I need SMC  CD for Win2000u< Message-ID: <622ca779.0409030925.a309cf3@posting.google.com>  C I want to upgrade my SMC (System Management Console) box from NT to4D Win2000.  The drones at HP tell me that the Win2000 version will notD run on the Compaq DeskPro EN.  I don't believe them.  They refuse to give me the CD.e  E I would be very pleased if someone could burn me a copy of theirs, or>E let me ftp a .iso copy from their site.  My current CD is as follows:d  
 Restore CD AlphaServer GS80/160/320  System Management Console System Version 1.0s NT U.S. English   I need the Win2000 CD.   Tom Hartsook Oregon State Univ0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:08:10 -0700h+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com>eA Subject: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld0' Message-ID: <413896EA.7000002@MMaz.com>a  H I know, I'm more than a week behind on reading, but did anyone else see > this little interesting survey (+/- 4% error) from Interex/HP?  = How does your organization view HP's Itanium Server road map?e   No plan to upgrade: 42% 
 Not sure: 17%  Plans to upgrade: 16%s# Has concerns/not a good option: 15%o Has already implemented: 9%n  @ Amazing that HP can proceed to keep their collective heads in a C dark-space, and ignore that folks are still not fond of Itanic, or  2 perhaps still angered about the demise of Alpha...   Barrye     -- :  > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                        m   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 06:20:11 +0800 , From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>+ Subject: Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device=0 Message-ID: <87pt54nwis.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  6 "Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:  F > OK imagine it's a FC disk so a second system running Windows can seeC > it.  "Could" Windows hack the stuff around?  Maybe.  But it wouldt: > mean that someone on the Windows system was deliberatelyD > repartitioning a disk with *existing* partitions -- NOT unassignedE > space.  In which case you will most likely have a corrupt VMS disk.-  D Not `could', DOES. There have been several cases of windoze screwingA over every drive it can see on a SAN as it is installed. Note, itw; does not screw up other windoze drives. Funny about that...    -- a< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:10:12 GMTe" From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG+ Subject: Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: devicem0 Message-ID: <00A3750D.899BE854@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <AWJZc.9506$Pq5.1866@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:n! >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:e	 >> OK...   >> eI >> After several days of dicking with this box, I now have a FS0: device.e >> f$ >> I start to install VMS and I get: >>   >> Portion done: 0%...10%a! >> ...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%  >> nW >> %PCSI-E-WRITEERR, error writing DISK$OPENVMSIV8_1:[VMS$COMMON.][SYSLIB]STARLET.OLB;2 ( >> -LBR-E-DUPKEY, duplicate key in index% >> %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failed H >> Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES] >> X >> :(@ >> c >cK >You are doing a full install (INITIALIZE), not an upgrade (PRESERVE), yes?   H I installed V8.1 which I received weeks (months?) ago.  I received a DVD with E8.2 so I used preserve.b   --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.e --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product! h -- aK VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:44:31 GMTs! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>a+ Subject: Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: devicea8 Message-ID: <smpgj09jktjh3bs0jd68tmns7s4uf0gc5n@4ax.com>  C On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:10:12 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:d  \ >In article <AWJZc.9506$Pq5.1866@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:" >>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
 >>> OK...  >>> J >>> After several days of dicking with this box, I now have a FS0: device. >>> % >>> I start to install VMS and I get:c >>>  >>> Portion done: 0%...10%" >>> ...20%...30%...40%...50%...60% >>> X >>> %PCSI-E-WRITEERR, error writing DISK$OPENVMSIV8_1:[VMS$COMMON.][SYSLIB]STARLET.OLB;2) >>> -LBR-E-DUPKEY, duplicate key in indext& >>> %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedI >>> Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES]A >>>  >>> :( >>>  >>L >>You are doing a full install (INITIALIZE), not an upgrade (PRESERVE), yes? >zI >I installed V8.1 which I received weeks (months?) ago.  I received a DVDe >with E8.2 so I used preserve.  O Upgrading from 8.1 to 8.2 is not supported AFAIR. I suggest that you do a cleans install.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:48:37 +0000u- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> + Subject: Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: devices* Message-ID: <41386825.6030001@bigpond.com>  . VAXman-@SendSpamHere.ORG was overheard to say:] > In article <AWJZc.9506$Pq5.1866@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:  >>L >>You are doing a full install (INITIALIZE), not an upgrade (PRESERVE), yes? >  > J > I installed V8.1 which I received weeks (months?) ago.  I received a DVD > with E8.2 so I used preserve.d >   B The documentation that came with mine indicated that you had to do a full install, not an upgrade..   Regards, Dave.o -- eI David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I Sneddo's quick guide ...          http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/ I DBS freeware at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmnI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennont   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:07:32 -0400 2 From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com>+ Subject: Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device-. Message-ID: <41383454.32642.44AD860@localhost>  + On 3 Sep 2004 at 12:44, Nigel Barker wrote:t3 > Upgrading from 8.1 to 8.2 is not supported AFAIR.h  B Even worse than that, it doesn't work.  I tried upgrading from an - engineering version of 8.2 to the field test.g   Best to start over...e  
 --Stan Quaylev Quayle Consulting Inc.  
 ----------- Stanley F. Quayle, P.E. N8SQ  +1 614-868-1363 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USAd0 stan-at-stanq-dot-com       http://www.stanq.com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:12:15 -0500( From: Wayne Sewell <wayne@tachysoft.com>+ Subject: Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: devicea0 Message-ID: <00A37516.2FB20DBE.11@tachysoft.com>  - >From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>l >X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms, >Subject: Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device& >Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 06:20:11 +0800    7 >"Fred Kleinsorge" <fred.nospam@nospam.dec.com> writes:a >nG >> OK imagine it's a FC disk so a second system running Windows can see D >> it.  "Could" Windows hack the stuff around?  Maybe.  But it would; >> mean that someone on the Windows system was deliberately E >> repartitioning a disk with *existing* partitions -- NOT unassigned F >> space.  In which case you will most likely have a corrupt VMS disk. > E >Not `could', DOES. There have been several cases of windoze screwingsB >over every drive it can see on a SAN as it is installed. Note, it< >does not screw up other windoze drives. Funny about that...  J Maybe it's because the windoze disks are already known to be screwed up byF virtue of having windoze on them, and don't *need* to be trashed.  :-)O ===============================================================================lN Wayne Sewell, Tachyon Software Consulting  (281)812-0738   wayne@tachysoft.com; http://www.tachysoft.com/www/tachyon.html and wayne.html    O =============================================================================== P Larry(sniffing):"I smell something awful." Moe:"Yeah, well don't brag about it."   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:19:05 GMTh! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com>t+ Subject: Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device 8 Message-ID: <l5vgj05c8hdm9fv5qqi1q1d6gm5669v0m5@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:44:31 GMT, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> wrote:  D >On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 11:10:12 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > ] >>In article <AWJZc.9506$Pq5.1866@news.cpqcorp.net>, John Reagan <john.reagan@hp.com> writes:g# >>>VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:n >>>> OK... o >>>>  K >>>> After several days of dicking with this box, I now have a FS0: device.u >>>> l& >>>> I start to install VMS and I get: >>>> f >>>> Portion done: 0%...10%M# >>>> ...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%o >>>> eY >>>> %PCSI-E-WRITEERR, error writing DISK$OPENVMSIV8_1:[VMS$COMMON.][SYSLIB]STARLET.OLB;2 * >>>> -LBR-E-DUPKEY, duplicate key in index' >>>> %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failedtJ >>>> Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES] >>>>   >>>> :(  >>>> d >>> M >>>You are doing a full install (INITIALIZE), not an upgrade (PRESERVE), yes?z >>J >>I installed V8.1 which I received weeks (months?) ago.  I received a DVD >>with E8.2 so I used preserve.) > P >Upgrading from 8.1 to 8.2 is not supported AFAIR. I suggest that you do a clean	 >install.u  M I just checked the Installation Guide & it clearly states on page 38 that thea! Upgrade Option is not applicable.   D You did read all 242 pages of the Installation Guide didn't your?:-)   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 19:55:03 +0800a, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>) Subject: Re: misc questions about OpenVMSe0 Message-ID: <87d613o9d4.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  = koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes:e  = >    MOP (maintenance operations protocol) is a LAN-only (notDE >    routable) protocol for serving load requests and such.  It has aaC >    different protocol number than SCS or DECnet.  Lots of systemsa* >    from lots of vendors can provide MOP.  C MOP is NOT `LAN only'... MOP predates ethernet by several years andn was developed on serial lines.    ? It is restricted to only working between adjacent nodes though.o   -- s< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076* comp.os.vms,- The Older, Grumpier Slashdot. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.F EPIC, The Architecture of the future, always has been, always will be.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 16:06:25 GMTw5 From: brad@rabbit.dnsalias.org (Bradford J. Hamilton) P Subject: OT - Racks of Itanic kit (was:Re: Big IA64 test coming in a few months)- Message-ID: <5E0_c.120211$mD.18919@attbi_s02>o  j In article <ifednRm8Sd60_6XcRVn-ug@metrocastcablevision.com>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@metrocast.net> writes: !r9 !"Rob Young" <young_r@encompasserve.org> wrote in message@. !news:da7v9MkKPmq5@eisner.encompasserve.org... !snip!J !> (1)  The data centers I've been in have racks of Intel kit and continue? !> to add Intel kit.  I don't see any racks of Opteron kit yet.e !dK !And you don't see any racks of Itanic kit, either, despite said kit havingwD !been on the market for well over twice as long as Opteron has been.  M Do either of you subscribe to ORACLE magazine?  Check out the Intel ad on thekM third page (for those of you who don't subscribe, shows a picture of a row of I datacenter racks).  I'll admit that it doesn't label the 1U's pictured ast1 Itanium, but the ad _is_ about the Itanium 2.	:-)e   !snip!  J __________________________________________________________________________A Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own"pK bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-' a0                                          with @"   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:14:06 -0400' From: "Main, Kerry" <kerry.main@hp.com>11 Subject: RE: Planned port of freeware to Itanium?-R Message-ID: <FD827B33AB0D9C4E92EACEEFEE2BA2FB3E0289@tayexc19.americas.cpqcorp.net>   > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]=20-! > Sent: September 1, 2004 5:23 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 3 > Subject: Re: Planned port of freeware to Itanium?e >=20  	 [snip ..]i >=20G > I recall reading that some University got an Itanium machine for freev/ > in return for agreeing to port some freeware.t >=20F > Personally I don't want much in the way of freeware, but I _do_ wantE > students to get experience maintaining someone else's code.  I feellD > certain that one of them will someday program an airplane on which
 > I will fly.    Larry,  H The following url that describes a University porting open source prog's to OpenVMS Itanium:t. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/ospp_turin.html     Regards1  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660n Fax: 613-591-4477  kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20  $ "OpenVMS has always had integrity .. Now, Integrity has OpenVMS .." =20J   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:19:39 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com>e1 Subject: Re: Planned port of freeware to Itanium?i, Message-ID: <ca6dnUzaMusXFqXcRVn-uw@igs.net>   Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message-----h7 >> From: Larry Kilgallen [mailto:Kilgallen@SpamCop.net]l" >> Sent: September 1, 2004 5:23 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com4 >> Subject: Re: Planned port of freeware to Itanium? >> >  > [snip ..]  >>H >> I recall reading that some University got an Itanium machine for free0 >> in return for agreeing to port some freeware. >>G >> Personally I don't want much in the way of freeware, but I _do_ want F >> students to get experience maintaining someone else's code.  I feelE >> certain that one of them will someday program an airplane on which  >> I will fly. >e > Larry, >eC > The following url that describes a University porting open sourcea > prog's to OpenVMS Itanium:0 > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/ospp_turin.html    B This was supposed to be a programme which had a moderate number ofK universities participating wherein students were to get academic credit for J the work they did in porting. Beyond this one institution, how many others are participating and where?   ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:26:04 +0000 (UTC), From: lewis@PROBE.MITRE.ORG (Keith A. Lewis) Subject: Re: Posting etiquette. Message-ID: <ch9uts$dnu$1@newslocal.mitre.org>   "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> writes in article <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIKEOKDLAA.tom@kednos.com> dated Thu, 2 Sep 2004 10:46:46 -0700:l9 >Is it now acceptable to post text/html messages?  If so,d1 >I guess I need to add an exclusion to my filter.r  B I'm still using TPU to read, I'm sure others use ANU news or other2 character-cell software, so no, not in this group.  < > 2-SEP-2004 10:23:28.77:  MX SMTP server: rejected message ? >from <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com> sent by [198.151.12.104] dC >due to RFC822 header rule [Content-Type: text/html*] [rule id 191]a  K The only non-text/plain article on my server, which keeps them for 30 days,gJ is the virus which claims to be from Kerry Main, and that content-type wasK multipart/mixed, not text/html.  The article above was probably rejected bys our feed's spam filter.'  0 --Keith Lewis              klewis {at} mitre.org> The above may not (yet) represent the opinions of my employer.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:44:13 +02004 From: "Axel Haringa" <axel.haringa@nl.compuware.com> Subject: samba< Message-ID: <newscache$plzg3i$zx6$1@news.emea.compuware.com>   Hello,  H I just tried to install samba ona vms 7.1 / tcp 5.1 system. I used samba6 2.2.8 from http://www.pi-net.dyndns.org/anonymous/jyc/  D According to the specs this must be no problem. I build the complete product, and then installed it.-? In the last piece of the installation I get the folowing error:s  B Creating unicode file /samba_root/lib/codepages/unicode_map.KOI8-U   Creating Swat Files...  B Creating startup file SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]SAMBA_STARTUP.COM...  ( Setting up tcpip SMBD & SWAT services...  < %TCPIP-E-CONFIGERROR, error processing configuration request  ' -SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM, bad parameter value   ) %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for=% SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]SWAT_STARTUP.LOG;*n   -RMS-E-FNF, file not found  . SAMBA for VMS has been installed successfully.      I Samba does not want to start (or at least, I see no running process left) L and I can not find any log files or whatever telling me what has gone wrong.      / Has somebody seen this before and knows a clue?        thanks,        Axel Haringa   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:57:40 -0400# From: "Dan Allen" <dallen@nist.gov>  Subject: RE: Single Signon: Message-ID: <JFEPKAPBPMDFDBOIANGDOEADFJAA.dallen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----2 > From: Barry Treahy, Jr. [mailto:Treahy@MMaz.com]- > Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 11:56 AMs > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* > Subject: Single Signon >t > G > Just curious how many folks here have been successful in implementing-D > single signon in a hetro environment with VMS, Windows Server, andA > Linux/Unix systems, and at what type of cost for the supportingaH > framework...  If discussing off-list is preferred, please feel free to > contact me directly...  M 	I've implemented password authentication with Windows and RH Linux (no VMS). H The Windows domain does the authentication for the Linux systems via theI auth_smb (???) PAM module that ships with RH. I still have to have a UNIX P password file to provide the UID, home directory, etc for the Linux system. It'sL only real benefit is it allows us to implement a central password managementO policy for both worlds and users don't have to keep track of multiple passwordsoL for all of the machines they might have accounts on. Not to say that's not a major blessing!    Dan    >s >  > Barryi >u > -- >l@ > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@ > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@ > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 >p >e >t >  >s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 09:45:56 -0400$ From: "PEN" <paul.nuneznosp@mhp.com> Subject: Re: Single Signon, Message-ID: <ch9sim$cmr$1@hplms2.hpl.hp.com>  	 Hi Barry,   H For OVMS, you can use the Advanced Server for OpenVMS product to provide@ single signon for Windows uses who access the OVMS systems (i.e,D interactively, remotely, and in most cases, for client/server apps).K The user specifies their Windows domain credentials when accessing the OVMSoK system and, while rarely used after extauth is enabled on the user's SYSUAFhK account, also keeps the UAF account password sync'd with the user's Windowso domain password...  J If you use Advanced Server for external authentication (aka single signon)G only, there is no license requirement/cost.  Client access licenses aretF required only if clients map file/print shares offered by the AdvancedJ Server.  External Authentication setup is fairly easy (set extauth flag onJ the user's sysuaf account);  if a user's Windows username is not identicalK to their OVMS SYSUAF username, you can easily map the two using an Advanced 4 Server command.  Trusted domains are also supported.  J With recent versions of OVMS, I believe there are other options beside theJ authentication provided through Advanced Server (Ldap and kerberos come to0 mind but I'm not familiar with enabling them)...   HTH,   Paul6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:41374278.1020802@MMaz.com... G > Just curious how many folks here have been successful in implementing4D > single signon in a hetro environment with VMS, Windows Server, andA > Linux/Unix systems, and at what type of cost for the supportingoH > framework...  If discussing off-list is preferred, please feel free to > contact me directly... >L >e > Barry  >> > -- t > @ > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@ > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@ > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 >  >t >s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:49:43 +0200  From: "Dr. Dweeb" <dr@dweeb.com> Subject: Re: Single Signon- Message-ID: <cha0a7$2mf1$1@news.cybercity.dk>h   Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote: > labadie wrote: >  >> Barry Treahy, Jr. a crit : >>< >>> Just curious how many folks here have been successful inG >>> implementing single signon in a hetro environment with VMS, WindowsaD >>> Server, and Linux/Unix systems, and at what type of cost for theA >>> supporting framework...  If discussing off-list is preferred, . >>> please feel free to contact me directly... >>D >> I used AUA (Advanced User Administration or something like that),E >> worked fine with Vms, Nt and Unix (TRU64 I think), it was in 1996.T >>G >> it was necessary to do a good doc, because all the commands were not-D >> very user-friendly, but when correctly applied, I had no problem. >># >> You had other products in mind ?  >>F > I had nothing specific in mind, but rather interested in finding outF > if others had tackled this, with any success, at what cost, and whatE > type of products were used to achieve that goal.  As for AUA, never.G > heard of it/then and neither Google nor Dogpile seem to have a 'quickr8 > hit' on any of your suggested key words, but thanks... >o >o > Barrye  < I guess there are 3. party products that do this quite well.' http://www.geneous.com/ springs to mindw  	 Dr. Dweebm   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 01:25:33 -0700e- From: martin.walker@csf.co.uk (Martin Walker)t0 Subject: Re: Standard Software Warranty Question= Message-ID: <2462c4e9.0409030025.30e8a355@posting.google.com>   j tadamsmar@yahoo.com (Tom Adams) wrote in message news:<ea44f5a1.0409010718.34b0a3bf@posting.google.com>...H > In the past the standard software warranty for Digital was 1 year with! > right to upgrade for that year.  > C > But these days, it looks like the HP standard warranty on VMS andDH > layered products is only a 90 day warranty for conformance to the SPD. >  > Am I correct about this?  C Yes, that's right AFAIK.  If you want to keep the right to upgrade, F you have to take this from day 1.  The only warranty is conformance to SPD.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 06:53:54 -0700-& From: magalettac@massdor.com (Carmine), Subject: Re: strange decnet-plus problems...< Message-ID: <4093a3af.0409030553.1914cc1@posting.google.com>  v koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote in message news:<hL9qgpiNwKYr@eisner.encompasserve.org>...h > In article <4093a3af.0409010949.5d858ebc@posting.google.com>, magalettac@massdor.com (Carmine) writes:H > > I can only set host to my new system via decnet ,if I first set hostC > > from this box to others , has anyone seen anything like this ??l > > 	 > > Node1r > > $ set hos Node2 A > > %SYSTEM-F-UNREACHABLE, remote node is not currently reachable- > >  > H >    Something's wrong with your DECnet routing.  What are you using for >    a router?   Hi,   C    My decnet phase 4 router is another alpha,? I also dont see this.D problem with any of the other systems that are running decnet-osi. ID did try to flush cache from both nodes and still get same issue if I dont set host out first ??   Thanks   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 04:38:37 -0500-+ From: young_r@encompasserve.org (Rob Young)0C Subject: Re: Sun, er....HP not selling enough Itanics to help Intelr3 Message-ID: <FIZoemNN3mxv@eisner.encompasserve.org>t  R In article <15-dnSCXVcCAEarcRVn-gA@igs.net>, "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> writes:? > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB109414496764408126,00.htmlr >    > K > Intel blamed the lower views on disappointing world-wide demand for *its* N > core microprocessor products, which act as the brains in personal computers.M > The company also said revenue in its communications business was lower thansJ > anticipated primarily due to weak growth in flash-memory shipments. SuchL > chips are used in cellphones and other portable devices.    [funny...I seeJ > more and more devices like this all the time on the street...I guess theN > manufacturers of these devices are buying flash memory from other providers] >   ? 	Funny - you miss the point.  They cited weak growth.  You have / 	to understand what weak means in this context:   I "The race for leadership in the flash memory market became tighter in thenM second quarter," iSuppli said in a report. "In the second quarter, the market M share difference between the number-one and number-four flash-memory suppliersM amounted to just 7.5 percentage points, compared to 13.3 percentage points in3 the first quarter."   K South Korea's Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. (KOREA:005930) captured the mostwM sales, $907 million, despite a 4.6 percent decline from the previous quarter.gN Samsung's market share of 21.2 percent was down from 23.6 percent in the first quarter, it said.   N Japan's Toshiba (TOKYO:6502) retained its second-place ranking with revenue ofM $740 million. Its sales were 2.6 percent lower in the quarter, and its market G share declined to 17.3 percent from 18.8 percent in the first quarter. r  L Spansion, a joint venture between Advanced Micro Devices Inc. (NYSE:AMD) andL Fujitsu Ltd. (TOKYO:6702), ranked third with revenue of $673 million, up 7.2F percent. Its market share edged up to 15.7 percent from 15.6 percent.   M Intel (NASDAQ:INTC) ranked fourth but narrowed the gap with a 41 percent jumpmK in sales, to $587 million. It's market share rose to 13.7 percent from 10.3 	 percent.      C 	The weak growth you are so quick to jump on was "only 41 percent."   = 	You see a trend?  Intel is going after flash but they aren'ta: 	ripping share as fast as they had hoped.  It is important; 	to Intel from a business perspective that they move in and 8 	dominate this segment.  It is a profit center for their 	competitors for one thing ;-).   9 	Here's an idea.  Look at and disect every market segmenttD 	Intel is in and then report back weakness (perceived and imagined).; 	I'm willing to wager you will be hard pressed to find true , 	weakness (other than seasonal fluctuation).  J > When Intel reported second-quarter results in July, the company issued aM > surprise warning about an expected decline in profit margins for the coming-6 > months. It cited manufacturing and inventory issues.  ? 	Yep - a bump that Barrett was yelling about 2 months ago.  But:5 	Intel being Intel - they will get back on track RSN.-   				Rob    ------------------------------  * Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:27:54 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: Supported Itanium hardware 1 Message-ID: <newscache$8whg3i$vn02$1@news.sil.at>t  c In article <4137940C.25839.1D8BFE7@localhost>, "Stanley F. Quayle" <squayle@insight.rr.com> writes:u$ >On 3 Sep 2004 at 0:00, Garry wrote:I >>  Is there a definitive list of supported Itanium hardware for OpenVMS?e >m1 >Last I heard, it was rx1600, rx2600, and rx4400.b  A But as we learned here, not every RX2600 is supported by OpenVMS. D There are older ones (which probably work but are not supported) andC newer ones. I would tend to think, you need at least the 1.1GHz CPU3' variants to be on the supported side...e   --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialista E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:13:58 GMT 5 From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger)p' Subject: Re: Supported Itanium hardwareeL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0309040621450001@user-uinj05j.dialup.mindspring.com>  3 In article <ch88kn$hh9$1@news.netkonect.net>, Garryn( <asdfasdfadsf@asdfasdfasdfre.com> wrote:   >Hi,O >        Is there a definitive list of supported Itanium hardware for OpenVMS? 4F >i.e. I know the i2000 was used to boot OpenVMS during the porting to I >Itanium, but is it now a fully supported box for running the latest and   >greatest OpenVMS versions?>   i2000 is not supported.   7 The following HP systems are/will be supported in V8.2:    rx1600  D rx2600 with Madison CPUs or later, i.e. no McKinley CPUs.  There areI currently 4  supported flavors of CPUs, from 1.0 GHz to 1.5 GHz.  NothingdF has been done to keep VMS from working on McKinley rx2600 systems, but# they will not get official support.   G rx4640 (not rx4400 as someone posted).  There are currently 1.3 GHz and.I 1.5 GHz CPUs, plus the mx2 dual-CPU modules which allow the system to run  with 8 CPUs.  F There are additional flavors of these systems in the pipeline, due outG around the end of the year.  V8.2 is expected to support them.  A laterdC wave of upgrades is likely sometime next year, which will either beM% supported in V8.2 or a later release.l    H V8.2 will run on some additional HP systems (such as the superdomes thatG have been demoed at various events), but only the above systems will beu officially supported.o   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 08:37:14 -0500l; From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) ' Subject: Re: Supported Itanium hardwareh3 Message-ID: <WYF+$UDKxPnk@eisner.encompasserve.org>   ] In article <ch88kn$hh9$1@news.netkonect.net>, Garry <asdfasdfadsf@asdfasdfasdfre.com> writes:o > Hi,iI > 	Is there a definitive list of supported Itanium hardware for OpenVMS? uG > i.e. I know the i2000 was used to boot OpenVMS during the porting to tJ > Itanium, but is it now a fully supported box for running the latest and  > greatest OpenVMS versions?  F    I would be very disapointed if an SPD with that information doesn'tE    ship with VMS 8.2.  As for 8.2 beta (which is what I think you can 7    currently get), I've seen that info on the web site.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:38:22 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com>c' Subject: Re: Supported Itanium hardwarem, Message-ID: <413881DD.DB4BBB8C@teksavvy.com>   Robert Deininger wrote: 	 > Nothing H > has been done to keep VMS from working on McKinley rx2600 systems, but% > they will not get official support.e  K When VMS 8.2 is being compiled, what compiler flavour is being used ? Is it I being compiled to make use of features in Madison, or is Merced still thedM lowest common denominator in terms of compiler options to make sure VMS worksk, on more platforms ? (even if not supported).  M What the very early adopters, software developpers ? Have any gotten hardwareuL which will no longer be "supported" on VMS once it is released commercially,M or have all non-HP developpers gotten hardware that is recent enough to still  be supported ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:33:13 -0300 * From: Ben Armstrong <ben@bgpc.dymaxion.ca>, Subject: tcpdump does not produce any output= Message-ID: <pan.2004.09.03.16.33.12.818015@bgpc.dymaxion.ca>a  C I'm trying to use tcpdump-lan.exe from the tcpdump 3.7.2 package inlE Freeware 6.0 and cannot get it to produce any output, even with privs 3 turned on. Any clues as to how to get this to work?   # Without any arguments tcpdump says:i  G dsa0:[th.temp.tcpdump-3_7_2]tcpdump-lan.exe;1: no suitable device foundr  D If I supply the interface name, or ask for it with -N, tcpdump says:   $ tcpdump -i we1. dsa0:[th.temp.tcpdump-3_7_2]tcpdump-lan.exe;1:  J I understand tcpdump-vci.exe requires a library to be installed, so I haveG not yet tried it, as I wanted to be able to just drop the one binary on 4 any system I need to debug on and use it right away.   Thanks,t Benm -- tG       Ben Armstrong                -.       Medianet Development Group,eE       BArmstrong@dymaxion.ca         `-.    Dymaxion Research Limited H       <URL: http://www.dymaxion.ca/>    `-  Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:14:12 +0200e9 From: Jan-Erik =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F6derholm?= <aaa@aaa.com>h: Subject: Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank' Message-ID: <413827D4.89FFBCE1@aaa.com>o   JF, A Why on earth would c.o.v be interested in a link to blank page ??e  	 Jan-Erik.0   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > page:mM > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/dcps_rn/DCPS023_RELEASE_NOTES.htmlg > P > which should contain the DCPS release notes in html format yields a blank page$ > with only the HP logos at the top.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:57:04 +0200o* From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>: Subject: Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank* Message-ID: <2pqpv1Fn0r4hU1@uni-berlin.de>   JF Mezei wrote:r > page:t > K >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/dcps_rn/DCPS023_RELEASE_NOTES.htmlp >  > P > which should contain the DCPS release notes in html format yields a blank pageK > with only the HP logos at the top. Looking at the source reveals a ton of  > javascript but no contents.a  2 It's fine here using Safari (Javascript disabled).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:29:05 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank, Message-ID: <41387FB0.6B3DAB22@teksavvy.com>   Paul Sture wrote:  >  > JF Mezei wrote:0	 > > page:  > > M > >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/dcps_rn/DCPS023_RELEASE_NOTES.html   4 > It's fine here using Safari (Javascript disabled).  N Just ran it through http://validator.w3.org and there are plenty of structuralG mistakes (nested <head> etc), as well as plenty of microsoft mistakes ( : <script language= instead of the standard <script type=  )   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:43:55 GMTo* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>: Subject: Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank5 Message-ID: <030920041043272055%paul.anderson@hp.com>   5 In article <4137E927.A9D4C262@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezeiu% <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:s  E > which should contain the DCPS release notes in html format yields alE > blank page with only the HP logos at the top. Looking at the sourcet. > reveals a ton of javascript but no contents.  A I can view the release notes with Mozilla on OpenVMS, OmniWeb and @ Safari on Macintosh and Mozilla Firefox and Internet Exploder on: Windows.  What browser and operating system are you using?   Paul   -- W  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringh   Hewlett-Packard Companye   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:54:57 GMTa* From: Paul Anderson <paul.anderson@hp.com>: Subject: Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank5 Message-ID: <030920041054301832%paul.anderson@hp.com>r  5 In article <41387FB0.6B3DAB22@teksavvy.com>, JF Mezeit% <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:t  E > Just ran it through http://validator.w3.org and there are plenty ofr? > structural mistakes (nested <head> etc), as well as plenty off@ > microsoft mistakes ( <script language= instead of the standard > <script type=  )  D BTW, the DCPS HTML documentation is created by DECdocument.  I don'tE know if additional changes are made by the time it gets to the publicc site.    Paul   -- C  Paul Anderson   OpenVMS Engineeringr   Hewlett-Packard Companye   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:09:12 -0700i3 From: Alan Frisbie <Usenet01REMOVE@Flying-Disk.com>R: Subject: Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank. Message-ID: <41389728.3040507@Flying-Disk.com>   JF Mezei wrote:   K >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/732final/dcps_rn/DCPS023_RELEASE_NOTES.html   P > which should contain the DCPS release notes in html format yields a blank pageK > with only the HP logos at the top. Looking at the source reveals a ton ofw > javascript but no contents.   C I also had an odd problem with the DCPS documentation on the HP web-A site.   I am sure that it is no fault of the DCPS folks, however.s  A The manual in question is the DCPS System Manager's Guide, in PDF A format.    I downloaded it to my Windows 98 system and printed itoA with Adobe Acrobat Reader.   To my amazement, the section numbersw? and page numbers (except for the preface) were totally missing.n? A few days later, I tried printing the *same* *file* (not a new + download) again and the numbers were there!a  @ Since the file was unchanged, I can only assume that some glitch> in Acrobat suppressed the section & page numbers.   Has anyone> ever heard of such a thing happening?   I would not believe it1 except that I have the printed manual right here.Y   Alan   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:27:35 -0400D- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> : Subject: Re: VMS website problem: DCPS release notes blank, Message-ID: <4138A985.AE3BD385@teksavvy.com>   Paul Anderson wrote:F > BTW, the DCPS HTML documentation is created by DECdocument.  I don'tG > know if additional changes are made by the time it gets to the publicr > site.   M Yes, there is plenty of HP specific stuff and javascript added at the top and * bottom of the decdocument generated stuff.  J I did a view source, and after flowing the text into 80 columns, I did seeL some actual contents (which were initially probably all flowed into a singleL long line well to the right). However, validator does complain about invalidD structure, and NETSCAPE is notorious about not displaying imploperly nested/terminated structures.a   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Sep 2004 09:44:05 +0200,C From: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann)r( Subject: Re: Yet Another Multia Question- Message-ID: <413820c5$1@news.uni-konstanz.de>h  A In article <20040903031051.GA30687@grandecom.net>, Kevin Monceauxu# <OwnedByDogs@grandecom.net> writes:d >VMS Enthusiasts,a > E >I've seen the recent Multia thread and realize they are not the bestn >choiceiF >for Alpha VMS.  However I have recently acquired a Multia and have no >otherA >Alphas so I would like to attempt to install Alpha VMS on it.  Is
 >currentlyH >only have one box running VMS - a VAXStation 3100/M76.  Sadly the Linux >andD >Windoze boxes currently outnumber the VMS boxes on my home network. >yI >My main question is which versions of VMS can be installed on a Multia.   >TheI >information I've found on the net indicates that a boot floppy is neededa >towH >install VMS.  I've found boot flooppy images for VMS 7.1-2 and 7.2.  IsE >there a boot floppy image available for the version of VMS currentlyeH >shipping on the hobbyist kit(7.3-1) or do I need to locate some installG >media for version 7.1-2 or 7.2?  Currently all the VMS stuff I have is1 >for0 >VAX.  I don't have any Alpha related stuff yet. >1  9 I have produced a Multia bootable CDROM with OpenVMS 7.3. = You must update the firmware as described on the freeware CD.59 I used this Multia to show DVDwrite on a DECUS symposium.R   Eberhard   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.489 ************************