1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 04 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 491       Contents: Are you listening Carly? Are you listening Carly? Re: charon vax emulator???/ Re: could SET DISPLAY be caching an IP address? / Re: could SET DISPLAY be caching an IP address?   ECU, no floppy, Alphastation 500 Re: EV8 advertised by accident Re: EV8 advertised by accident Re: EV8 advertised by accident Re: Flat panel VT replacement? Re: Hackers' OS Preferences < Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld< Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld< RE: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld< Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld" Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device" Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device Link to Itanium doc set  Re: Link to Itanium doc set  Re: Supported Itanium hardware Re: Supported Itanium hardware1 Re: Tomcat on OpenVMS - Is source code available? 1 Re: Tomcat on OpenVMS - Is source code available? 1 Re: Tomcat on OpenVMS - Is source code available? 1 Re: Tomcat on OpenVMS - Is source code available?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:18:06 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>! Subject: Are you listening Carly? * Message-ID: <2ptfiiFot3agU1@uni-berlin.de>  + Sorry, but I cannot resist this cross post.      Tom Stiller wrote:< > In article <20040903130852.24672.00000374@mb-m01.aol.com>,! >  jonesr@aol.com (JonesR) wrote:  >  > J >><< Apple did have TV tuner options in the past, and even had a computer G >>with built-in TV tuner.  They just did not sell very well. >><BR><BR>  >> >>P >>They were neither implimented very well, nor distributed very well, either.  I> >>would have bought one though.  I have seen one in a museum.  >  > F > My old Quadra 630 and PPC 5200 (since donated to a local elementary G > school) both contained TV tuners.  They were (are) implemented quite  D > well and distributed through the same channels as any other Mac.   > C > It would seem that the return on investment for the hardware and  E > software engineering to produce and support the TV experience on a  ' > personal computer can't be justified. '                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   G Come on HP, let's get back to producing proper commercial systems, not   consumer grade stuff.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:37:25 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>! Subject: Are you listening Carly? * Message-ID: <2ptgmpFp99sqU1@uni-berlin.de>  @ Sorry, but I cannot resist posting this from comp.sys.mac.system     Tom Stiller wrote:=  > In article <20040903130852.24672.00000374@mb-m01.aol.com>, "  >  jonesr@aol.com (JonesR) wrote:  >  >J  >><< Apple did have TV tuner options in the past, and even had a computerH  >>with built-in TV tuner.  They just did not sell very well. >><BR><BR>  >>   >> G  >>They were neither implimented very well, nor distributed very well,  
 either.  I>  >>would have bought one though.  I have seen one in a museum.  >  >F  > My old Quadra 630 and PPC 5200 (since donated to a local elementaryG  > school) both contained TV tuners.  They were (are) implemented quite C  > well and distributed through the same channels as any other Mac.   >  H HP, Please learn from this, and get back to producing proper commercial  systems which return a profit:  C  > It would seem that the return on investment for the hardware and E  > software engineering to produce and support the TV experience on a (  > personal computer can't be justified.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 14:35:46 +02002 From: "Robert Boers" <robert.boers@softresint.com># Subject: Re: charon vax emulator??? 5 Message-ID: <4139b6a6$0$699$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch>   J The NDIS5 driver we provide with CHARON-VAX is a custom implementation. It; can only talk to an operating system running on CHARON-VAX.    Robert  G "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> wrote in message 0 news:41339e67$0$22765$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...8 > "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message# > news:413399F4.9050205@MMaz.com...  > <SNIP>+ > > This sounds like pure Windows prejudice  > <SNIP>L > >, but if you believe that there is a technical basis for your position, IJ > >would love to here it, and perhaps even argue it, because the way I see it, L > >the *ONLY* Windows driver exposed to the world would be NDIS5, which is aJ > >very basic, and simple driver, so the exploit would have to occur there and G > >I would be very fascinated as to how you believe that might occur...  > <SNIP> > @ > I hope Bob won't mind me answering for him, but this is how... > 	 > Regards  >  > Alex, >                               @stake, Inc./ >                               www.atstake.com  > 0 >                              Security Advisory > F > Advisory Name: Etherleak: Ethernet frame padding information leakage >  Release Date: 01/06/2003 0 >   Application: Ethernet device driver software >      Platform: Multiple ' >      Severity: Information disclosure 3 >       Authors: Ofir Arkin <ofir@sys-security.com>  >                Josh AndersonF > Vendor Status: Multiple vendors alerted via CERT Coordination Center > CVE Candidate: CAN-2003-0001G >     Reference: www.atstake.com/research/advisories/2003/a010603-1.txt  >  >  > Overview:  > @ > Multiple platform ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC) deviceC > drivers incorrectly handle frame padding, allowing an attacker to E > view slices of previously transmitted packets or portions of kernel G > memory. This vulnerability is the result of incorrect implementations E > of RFC requirements and poor programming practices, the combination D > of which results in several variations of this information leakage > vulnerability. > D > The simplest attack using this vulnerability would be to send ICMP? > echo messages to a machine with a vulnerable ethernet driver. C > Portions of kernel memory will be returned to the attacker in the C > padding of the reply messages.  During testing we have found that A > the portions returned are typically snippets of network traffic A > that the vulnerable machine is handling.  This attack can allow F > an attacker to see portions of the traffic that a router or firewallC > is handling on network segments the attacker has no direct access @ > too.  It is important to note that the attacker must be on the@ > same ethernet network as the vulnerable machine to receive the > ethernet frames. >  > 
 > Details: > : > @stake has prepared a detailed report on this issue. TheA > vulnerability is explored in its various manifestations through $ > code examples and packet captures. >  > Report available at: > G > www.atstake.com/research/advisories/2003/atstake_etherleak_report.pdf  >  >  > Vendor Response: > D > Multiple platform and hardware vendors were contacted via the CERT= > Coordination Center on  06/25/02.  Detailed vendor response @ > information is available in CERT vulnerability note VU#412115. >  >  > Recommendation:  > E > Contact the vendor of your ethernet device drivers or your hardware  > vendor for a patch.  > @ > End to end encryption technologies such as SSL, IPSEC, and SSHG > should be used when transmitting sensitive data over a network. Using E > encryption will help protect against this issue partly. It is not a B > complete solution because the kernel data leaked in the ethernet= > frame padding is not always the IP packet data portion of a G > previous frame.  Sometimes it is unencrypted IP header information or  > other kernel memory. >  > 9 > Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) Information:  > E > The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures (CVE) project has assigned @ > the following names to these issues.  These are candidates forF > inclusion in the CVE list (http://cve.mitre.org), which standardizes > names for security problems. > < >   CAN-2003-0001 Ethernet frame padding information leakage >  > ( > @stake Vulnerability Reporting Policy:) > http://www.atstake.com/research/policy/  > F > @stake Advisory Archive: http://www.atstake.com/research/advisories/ > 
 > PGP Key:- > http://www.atstake.com/research/pgp_key.asc  > 2 > Copyright 2003 @stake, Inc. All rights reserved. >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Sep 2004 06:00:08 -0700 . From: martinkirby12@yahoo.co.uk (Martin Kirby)8 Subject: Re: could SET DISPLAY be caching an IP address?< Message-ID: <224291b.0409040500.3886a51e@posting.google.com>  | helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote in message news:<ch7s4p$orh$1@online.de>...   > I > The argument of SET DISPLAY is a name, not a number.  Could it be that  J > when the job fails and is restarted, the display is directed to the OLD G > IP address (i.e., it has been cached) and that the TCPIP SHOW DEVICE  J > forces a lookup and hence an update of the cache?  (There is no problem G > with TTL or whatever with the DNS provider; I'm using DynDNS.org for  I > this and the new address is visible worldwide only a few seconds after  F > the update goes through.  I am also 100% certain that the update is 2 > successful very soon after the address changes.) >   @ I don't know enough about TCP/IP to answer what it does. The SETD DISPLAY command will save the name. When the restarted Mozilla triesF to open a connection it will do an ACPCONTROL QIO with a function code0 of GETHOSTBYNAME  to obtain the sockaddr number.   Martin Kirby   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:47:15 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> 8 Subject: Re: could SET DISPLAY be caching an IP address?, Message-ID: <4139FFA0.AB54770F@teksavvy.com>   Martin Kirby wrote: B > I don't know enough about TCP/IP to answer what it does. The SETF > DISPLAY command will save the name. When the restarted Mozilla triesH > to open a connection it will do an ACPCONTROL QIO with a function code2 > of GETHOSTBYNAME  to obtain the sockaddr number.   I have had success with both  3 	SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE=10.0.0.12   as well as  : 	SET DISPLAY/CREATE/TRANSPORT=TCPIP/NODE=mac.chocolate.com  : In terms of DNS, one needs to look at how DYNDNS responds.  F Doing a test, a xxxxx.dyndns.org responds with a 4 hours time to live.  H This means that your local caching DNS server in your LAN will keep thisM answer for 4 hours before going back to the dyndns servers to get the updated  IP address.   M There is some utility amongst the thousands improperly dumped into sys$system 3 which does allow some control over the name server.   N there is tcpip$bind_server_control.exe as well as nsupdate. Not suse which one) allows you to either invalidate an entry.   1 Another way to bypass your local dns cache is to:   . nslookup  pastry.chocolate.com  ns1.dyndns.org  I this tells nslookup to use ns1.dyndns.org to lookup pastry.chocolate.com. J You'd then have to parse the output to get the IP address and specify that$ address in the SET DISPLAY commands.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 07:07:09 GMT 0 From: spud_demon@e.thundermaker.net (Spud Demon)) Subject: ECU, no floppy, Alphastation 500 3 Message-ID: <xQd_c.1746$Bz6.137173@news.uswest.net>   K Is it possible to run ECU without a floppy?  The floppy drive in my machine ) is missing.  I have CD, HD, MOP, BOOTP...   . --Spud Demon		spud_demon -at- thundermaker.netF Somebody please quote me because Google doesn't get posts from my ISP.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:07:54 +0200 * From: Paul Sture <nospam@sture.homeip.net>' Subject: Re: EV8 advertised by accident * Message-ID: <2ptbevFp7o9uU1@uni-berlin.de>   Kenneth Farmer wrote: 5 > "Rich Jordan" <jordan@ccs4vms.com> wrote in message 9 > news:cc5619f2.0409031131.7bf3ffb4@posting.google.com...  > H >>We just received a flier from HP.  "HP Business-Critical Server FamilyA >>Guide", Volume 1, February 2004.  Document ID is 5982-4274ENA1; H >>02/2004 First one I've seen but since we aren't official resellers any$ >>more perhaps thats to be expected. >>C >>On the last content page, HPTC Scalable Products, the last column 9 >>lists the HP AlphaServer SC45.  Processor listed is....  >>( >>64-bit Alpha EV8 processor at 1.25 GHz >>G >>I don't suppose a 'false advertising' claim could be used to get said H >>system delivered as advertised... :)  but since its Tru64 only I guess" >>its not worth the effort anyway. >  >  >  > " >>but since its Tru64 only I guess" >>its not worth the effort anyway. >  >  > Take this as humor...  > L > Ever run Tru64 in a production environment?  If you had, you wouldn't makeM > that statement.  If you did, and you had problems with Tru64, then whomever H > handled the servers wasn't good at it.  Second best in many regards toJ > OpenVMS? Yes.  It could be easily claimed as the most reliable UNIX, andL > that comes from someone who has used them all, Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Linux,I > etc. Tru64 doesn't deserve that kinda of disrespectful comment.  I mean M > after all, we are talking Alpha chips here anyway, right?  Tru64 is part of 
 > the family.  >   H Anecdotal maybe, but I spent 6 years working next to a couple of highly G competent Tru64 sysadmins, heard the phone calls etc. In proper hands,  + those systems just worked, and worked well.    ------------------------------   Date: 04 Sep 2004 10:17:43 GMT/ From: Thierry Dussuet <thierry@dussuet.lugs.ch> ' Subject: Re: EV8 advertised by accident / Message-ID: <slrncjj5i8.p9.thierry@MARS.Family>   = On 2004-09-04, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> wrote:  > re: EVO used in an advert. >  > [...] O > This particular ad is a serious leak in this secret plan, probably the result P > of one of those sequestered engineers having found a way to send a message outP > to the real world. One should really read between the lines in that message asM > there is probably some additional hidden messages from that engineer giving 5 > more details about his life in the basement of ZKO.   N And now you just leaked more informations! Intel will take over the world in aK fusion with Microsoft and everybody will have bluetooth enabled Intel chips  running Longhorn implanted!    Thierry    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 11:22:01 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: EV8 advertised by accident , Message-ID: <_5ednaRMcKIHQKTcRVn-rQ@igs.net>   Main, Kerry wrote: >> -----Original Message----- 7 >> From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com] " >> Sent: September 3, 2004 9:33 PM >> To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com* >> Subject: Re: EV8 advertised by accident >> >  > [Snip ..]  > @ >> And to anyone who denies there being a basement at ZKO, well, >> that is what = >> *THEY* want you to believe. And yes, i am watching a james  >> bond movie while  >> typing this.  >> > E > And after finally fighting the bad guys, James Bond finally gets to F > rip the black hood off the Spectre leader and .... Its Bob Palmer ..    I Yes, but the Leader of SMERSH (acronym, loosely translated, for 'Death To @ Spies') will be revealed to be two people - curly and carly(tm).   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:25:53 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG' Subject: Re: Flat panel VT replacement? 0 Message-ID: <00A375E9.A89FCD58@SendSpamHere.ORG>  c In article <SEHlPXr2$WHI@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: V >In article <00A3750D.2A4AAEC1@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:f >> In article <riODvBo3p3G$@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes:X >>>In article <00A37471.B8EEB644@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes: >>> M >>>> I have a POwerbook G4 17" laptop with has built-in bluetooth.  I ordered N >>>> Apple's bluetooth wireless keyboard.  It has the look, feel and layout of >>>> the LK keyboards.   >>> , >>>Control key directly to the left of "A" ? >>  M >> All of my LK keyboards have the caps lock key next to the "A".  So does my  > > >Ok, I stand corrected.  I was thinking of the original VT100. > D >Right now I am using an Apple Keyboard which has a wide control key >next to the A.  > N >> Apple bluetooth.  The control key is located next to what would be the com-M >> pose character key on the LK.  This move allows the keyboard to be squared / >> off in a more convenient portable platform.   > G >But my finger searches for Control quite often, and down even with the H >space bar is not where it looks.  This looks like a non-starter for me,H >while the VMS USB keyboard about which you recently inquired presumably >has it right (my way :-). > . >>>And is there an equivalent wired keyboard ? >>  * >> dunno...  I want to do away with wires. > : >Whereas I have no interested in wireless computer access.   I knew you would say that! :)    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------   Date: 04 Sep 2004 08:12:30 GMT+ From: "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> $ Subject: Re: Hackers' OS Preferences7 Message-ID: <Xns955A690359C1Edcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>   ( %NEWS-I-NEWMSG, Alan E. Feldman wrote in5 news:b096a4ee.0409031902.54cf6d2c@posting.google.com    8 > "Doc." <doc.cypher@openvms-rocks.com> wrote in message; > news:<Xns9558D68D6A990dcovmsrox@212.100.160.123>... [...]  > A >> OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating  >> systems.  > 7 > So who are these two hackers who *do* prefer VMS? :-)   ! VAXman has to be one of them. :-)   C The .sig actually fits better with one of the other groups I read,  A alt.hacker.  Not what most would think as it's a white-hat group.      Doc. --  G OpenVMS:     Eight out of ten hackers prefer *other* operating systems. G http://www.openvms-rocks.com    Deathrow Public-Access OpenVMS Cluster.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:35:20 -0700* From: "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com>E Subject: Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld 2 Message-ID: <AJKdnZPKkfgkfaTcRVn-hg@mpowercom.net>  / "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote in message  & news:K7OdnbONUqMkL6XcRVn-iw@igs.net... > Barry Treahy, Jr. wrote:F >> I know, I'm more than a week behind on reading, but did anyone elseE >> see this little interesting survey (+/- 4% error) from Interex/HP?  >>H > 42+17+15 = 74% that could be considering Sun or IBM as a more reliable	 > partner  > H Or they could be waiting for aliens from space to deliver more powerful F systems.  Pure supposition aside, it may also indicate a wait and see J attitude to determine if the software apps will be there.  In our case we J (and the customers who depend on us to run their systems) aren't going to I upgrade to Itaniums, but we aren't going to Sun either.  Our strategy is  H continue on Alphas for a few more years while the necessary software is E ported to Microsoft.  If it happens that the old Alphas die and need  E replacing there's an outside chance we could get an Itanium but it's  	 doubtful.   J Every one of our VMS customers (and that's only a handful these days) has M already installed a Windows network, either on their own or they asked us to  G do it.  They know VMS has a limited life left.  Not one has considered   Linux, Solaris, HP-UX or AIX.    Jack Peacock     ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 16:15:57 GMT 6 From: "Kenneth Farmer" <kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com>E Subject: Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld < Message-ID: <1Tl_c.6356$683.852035@twister.southeast.rr.com>  F I made a comment on it in the newsgroups the week of HP World and drewJ reference to two articles that wrote about it, The Register and E-CommerceI Times.  The title of the thread was "A whopping 50%..." or something like 5 that.  You can find reference to both on OpenVMS.org.   G I've tried to contact Interex, along with some trade press writers I've I spoken with, about these numbers. I've left voice mail with the person at F Interex and we've sent several emails.  No response.  It almost apearsJ they've put the "cone of silence" down on those numbers.  I'd like to know where they come from.        Ken # OpenVMS.org, http://www.openvms.org  ________________________ Kenneth R. Farmer <>< $ SpyderByte: http://www.SpydeByte.com            6 "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message! news:413896EA.7000002@MMaz.com... I > I know, I'm more than a week behind on reading, but did anyone else see @ > this little interesting survey (+/- 4% error) from Interex/HP? > ? > How does your organization view HP's Itanium Server road map?  >  > No plan to upgrade: 42%  > Not sure: 17%  > Plans to upgrade: 16% % > Has concerns/not a good option: 15%  > Has already implemented: 9%  > A > Amazing that HP can proceed to keep their collective heads in a D > dark-space, and ignore that folks are still not fond of Itanic, or4 > perhaps still angered about the demise of Alpha... >  > Barry  >  >  > --   > @ > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com@ > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320@ > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 >  >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 09:32:52 -0700# From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> E Subject: RE: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld 9 Message-ID: <NDEMLKKEBOIFBMJLCECIOEAKDMAA.tom@kednos.com>   ? There must have been similar surveys done during the VAX to AXP @ transition.  It would be interesting to see how the then surveys% compared with the market that ensued.   @ If these numbers are a good sampling, I am sure they are getting@ serious attention from HP management.  Maybe SRI is working on a CHARON-AXP.    < -----Original Message-----= < From: Kenneth Farmer [mailto:kfarmer@NOSPAM.spyderbyte.com] , < Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 9:16 AM < To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com G < Subject: Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld  <  < H < I made a comment on it in the newsgroups the week of HP World and drewL < reference to two articles that wrote about it, The Register and E-CommerceK < Times.  The title of the thread was "A whopping 50%..." or something like 7 < that.  You can find reference to both on OpenVMS.org.  < I < I've tried to contact Interex, along with some trade press writers I've K < spoken with, about these numbers. I've left voice mail with the person at H < Interex and we've sent several emails.  No response.  It almost apearsL < they've put the "cone of silence" down on those numbers.  I'd like to know < where they come from.  <  <  <  < Ken % < OpenVMS.org, http://www.openvms.org  < ________________________ < Kenneth R. Farmer <>< & < SpyderByte: http://www.SpydeByte.com <  <  <  <  <  < 8 < "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> wrote in message# < news:413896EA.7000002@MMaz.com... K < > I know, I'm more than a week behind on reading, but did anyone else see B < > this little interesting survey (+/- 4% error) from Interex/HP? < > A < > How does your organization view HP's Itanium Server road map?  < >  < > No plan to upgrade: 42%  < > Not sure: 17%  < > Plans to upgrade: 16% ' < > Has concerns/not a good option: 15%  < > Has already implemented: 9%  < > C < > Amazing that HP can proceed to keep their collective heads in a F < > dark-space, and ignore that folks are still not fond of Itanic, or6 < > perhaps still angered about the demise of Alpha... < > 	 < > Barry  < >  < >  < > -- < > B < > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.comB < > Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320B < > Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028 < >  < >  < >  <  <  < --- ( < Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.< < Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).B < Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004 <  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:12:21 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@MMaz.com> E Subject: Re: Itanic Adoption Survey from 23-August-2004 Computerworld ' Message-ID: <4139F775.6030604@MMaz.com>    Tom Linden wrote:   @ >There must have been similar surveys done during the VAX to AXPA >transition.  It would be interesting to see how the then surveys & >compared with the market that ensued. > A >If these numbers are a good sampling, I am sure they are getting A >serious attention from HP management.  Maybe SRI is working on a  >CHARON-AXP. >    > C Don't know about either question but regarding the first, I do not  G recall the 'crisis of concern' revolving around Alpha that has existed  H with Itanic; Quite possibly because Alpha wasn't a decade in the making B just to debut as a flop - Digital did a good job of marketing and D hosting local and regional technical seminars to sell the merits of @ Alpha...  The fact that Alpha also received top processor speed H recognition rather quickly, where as Itanic seems to need push starting F like an old Buick, no doubt made Alpha an easier sell job to accept...     Barry    --    > Barry Treahy, Jr                       E-mail: Treahy@MMaz.com> Midwest Microwave                          Phone: 480/314-1320> Vice President & CIO                         FAX: 480/661-7028                            ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:10:03 +0200 + From: Wilm Boerhout <w3.boerhout@planet.nl> + Subject: Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device 5 Message-ID: <41397848$0$2115$ba620dc5@nova.planet.nl>   & Well, you see, I just couldn't resist:  D A few weeks/months ago a question was raised in this conf about the I /WINDOWS qualifier on the $ INITIALIZE command. I made a joke out of it.   Check your archives.  I Now, it doesn't look so funny anymore. The IA64 implementation of VMS is  2 *badly* in need of an $INIT /NOWINDOWS command :-)   --  
 Wilm Boerhout  Zwolle, The Netherlands    wilmOLD@PAINTboerhout.nl2    (remove OLD PAINT from this address before use)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 13:26:50 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com> + Subject: Re: Itanium: EFI... no fs0: device , Message-ID: <4139FAD9.E64F67D2@teksavvy.com>   Wilm Boerhout wrote:J > Now, it doesn't look so funny anymore. The IA64 implementation of VMS is4 > *badly* in need of an $INIT /NOWINDOWS command :-)   Au contraire !  L If VMS engineers were able to fake a partitioned disk, what they should alsoN so is to create a 3rd partition which also contains a FAT file system, but itsL contents is a windows binary whose name would be executed automatically uponO mounting of the drive by windows, and whose goal is simply to shutdown windows.    :-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 16:53:19 GMT " From:   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG  Subject: Link to Itanium doc set0 Message-ID: <00A37606.A222301A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  0 There's not doc on the DVD or CD for the 8.2 FT.  ? Is there a set on the HP web site?  If so, anybody have a link?    --  < http://www.ProvN.com  for the *best* OpenVMS system security=                       solutions that others only claim to be.  --  , Cyber-Terrorism (si'-ber tayr'-or-iz-em) n.:M   The release of, the sale of, or the use of any Micro$oft software product!   --  K VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker   VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 17:27:41 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> $ Subject: Re: Link to Itanium doc set8 Message-ID: <6kujj0d2sep2rt921pk19j4l0o5d8i6u54@4ax.com>  C On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 16:53:19 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   1 >There's not doc on the DVD or CD for the 8.2 FT.  > @ >Is there a set on the HP web site?  If so, anybody have a link?  / http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os82ft_index.html   2 Another good link for all things VMS on Itanium isN http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/resources.htmlE There you will find White Papers & a whole host of support materials.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 06:45:00 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)' Subject: Re: Supported Itanium hardware ; Message-ID: <4139484c.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com) wrote: > Robert Deininger wrote:  > > Nothing J > > has been done to keep VMS from working on McKinley rx2600 systems, but' > > they will not get official support.  > J > When VMS 8.2 is being compiled, what compiler flavour is being used ? IsJ > it being compiled to make use of features in Madison, or is Merced stillI > the lowest common denominator in terms of compiler options to make sure 8 > VMS works on more platforms ? (even if not supported).  @ One question that went unanswered at last years Tech Update Days? (directed at Andy Goldstein) which I will probably ask again at  this year's event:  H If the compiler is so important for performance of any product, how willD kits look like?  Will there be separate kits for the various ItaniumF processors?  Or will kits explode in size, containing files for all of them?    cu, 	   Martin   --  >                         | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules!1  VMS is today what      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de D  Microsoft wants        |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/8  Windows NT 8.0 to be!  | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 11:24:29 -0400# From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> ' Subject: Re: Supported Itanium hardware , Message-ID: <4JGdnacgncCzQ6TcRVn-rQ@igs.net>   Martin Vorlaender wrote:0 > JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com) wrote: >> Robert Deininger wrote: >>> Nothing F >>> has been done to keep VMS from working on McKinley rx2600 systems,+ >>> but they will not get official support.  >>F >> When VMS 8.2 is being compiled, what compiler flavour is being usedC >> ? Is it being compiled to make use of features in Madison, or is B >> Merced still the lowest common denominator in terms of compilerB >> options to make sure VMS works on more platforms ? (even if not >> supported). > B > One question that went unanswered at last years Tech Update DaysA > (directed at Andy Goldstein) which I will probably ask again at  > this year's event: > E > If the compiler is so important for performance of any product, how C > will kits look like?  Will there be separate kits for the various E > Itanium processors?  Or will kits explode in size, containing files  > for all of them?    K ;-) They won't ship binaries any long --- just source for you to compile on 4 your own machine. Feel free to port it to Power5 ;-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:03:33 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>: Subject: Re: Tomcat on OpenVMS - Is source code available?9 Message-ID: <cWj_c.90058$_h.89540@bignews3.bellsouth.net>   , Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:  L > I'm only using Tomcat on VMS, and that not very much.  (I haven't had much > chance to dig into it yet.)  > O > But on Apache, I note that the sources easily available for CSWS aren't up to Q > date.  VMS Engineering has been helpful when we asked for them, but haven't had  > time to do up a proper kit.   L That's good to hear.  I'm more than willing to look into the problem myself K if I can get the source that was used to build the current product.  It is  J definitely out of date compared to the Tomcat versions commonly available M for other platforms and I'd like for it to be possible to build a Tomcat kit  4 of my own that is upgraded to a more recent version.     --   Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 10:54:08 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>i: Subject: Re: Tomcat on OpenVMS - Is source code available?; Message-ID: <FEk_c.28297$7i2.1305210@news20.bellglobal.com>e  H "Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>A wrote in message news:00A37564.7D1C3C04@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU...tH > In article <EH7_c.87307$%n4.70200@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Chuck Chopp  <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes:/ > >Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:  > >t   [...snip...]  I Debugging Jakarta problems can get a little weird so it's probably a goodgE idea to try to work with "Jakarta only" and forget about Apache untilCL Jakarta is working properly. IIRC, Jakarta listens on port 8080 so if you'veJ set up your default mapping properly you should be able to serve up ".JSP"G pages on port 8080 first, then incrementally move up to web-apps (which  I've never used by the way).  L Once you've got Jakarta working properly, you need to make sure it is linkedH to Apache via the proper connector technology. This is done by running a; script in SYS$MANAGER called APACHE$JAKARTA_CONFIG.COM then-L selecting menu item #3 (Configure Apache's httpd.conf for Jakarta Adapters).  L I would suggest trying menu item #5 (Enable mod_jk2 (Apache 2.0) httpd.conf)I to serve .JSP pages via port 80 (Apache will refer ".JSP" work to Jakartao vialJ the connector to Jakarta on port 8009). Once this is working you could use9 APACHE$JAKARTA_CONFIG.COM to disable "mod_jk2" and enablev$ "mod_webapp (Apache 2.0) httpd.conf"  . This link may help in doing the mod_jk2 stuff:D http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/csws_tips.html#supporting-java  L p.s. When I first installed Jakarta I inadvertently installed the wrong JavaJ package on my system. I installed "Java run-time edition (JRE)" but shouldG have installed the "development package (SDK)". This meant that JakartanL couldn't find the complier to do just-in-time compilation of ".JSP" scripts.E This might not be your problem but it can be a GOTCHA for anyone elsee reading this note.    
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,g Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.html   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 11:31:41 -0400'* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>: Subject: Re: Tomcat on OpenVMS - Is source code available?9 Message-ID: <Rcl_c.91426$_h.87567@bignews3.bellsouth.net>    Neil Rieck wrote:u  J > "Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing" <winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>C > wrote in message news:00A37564.7D1C3C04@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU.... > H >>In article <EH7_c.87307$%n4.70200@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Chuck Chopp > " > <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> writes: > / >>>Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing wrote:  >>>  >  >  > [...snip...] > K > Debugging Jakarta problems can get a little weird so it's probably a goodlG > idea to try to work with "Jakarta only" and forget about Apache until N > Jakarta is working properly. IIRC, Jakarta listens on port 8080 so if you'veL > set up your default mapping properly you should be able to serve up ".JSP"I > pages on port 8080 first, then incrementally move up to web-apps (whiche > I've never used by the way). > N > Once you've got Jakarta working properly, you need to make sure it is linkedJ > to Apache via the proper connector technology. This is done by running a= > script in SYS$MANAGER called APACHE$JAKARTA_CONFIG.COM thenrN > selecting menu item #3 (Configure Apache's httpd.conf for Jakarta Adapters). > N > I would suggest trying menu item #5 (Enable mod_jk2 (Apache 2.0) httpd.conf)K > to serve .JSP pages via port 80 (Apache will refer ".JSP" work to Jakartas > viasL > the connector to Jakarta on port 8009). Once this is working you could use; > APACHE$JAKARTA_CONFIG.COM to disable "mod_jk2" and enableC& > "mod_webapp (Apache 2.0) httpd.conf" > 0 > This link may help in doing the mod_jk2 stuff:F > http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/csws_tips.html#supporting-java > N > p.s. When I first installed Jakarta I inadvertently installed the wrong JavaL > package on my system. I installed "Java run-time edition (JRE)" but shouldI > have installed the "development package (SDK)". This meant that Jakarta N > couldn't find the complier to do just-in-time compilation of ".JSP" scripts.G > This might not be your problem but it can be a GOTCHA for anyone elset > reading this note.  E I'm not using Apache w/MOD_JK@ to front-end my webapp.  I'm directly ,M accessing Tomcat on port 8080.  I had tested with JDK v1.3.1, JDK v1.4.1 and bJ JDK v1.4.2 and the problem I'm encountering with Tomcat occurs with all 3  versions of the JDK.  L This problem has to do with how Tomcat is compiling JSPs when it determines M that a JSP is newer than the compiled version in the work directory, and the kI problem is only occurring in the Tomcat implementation on OpenVMS.  This yK problem does not happen in other Tomcat implementations on other platforms.:     -- 0 Chuck Choppc  8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 13:29:07 -0400) From: "Neil Rieck" <n.rieck@sympatico.ca>0: Subject: Re: Tomcat on OpenVMS - Is source code available?; Message-ID: <_Vm_c.29743$CG3.2216695@news20.bellglobal.com>l  7 "Chuck Chopp" <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote in messagei3 news:Rcl_c.91426$_h.87567@bignews3.bellsouth.net...k > Neil Rieck wrote:s   [...snip...]   > F > I'm not using Apache w/MOD_JK@ to front-end my webapp.  I'm directlyJ > accessing Tomcat on port 8080.  I had tested with JDK v1.3.1, JDK v1.4.1I > and JDK v1.4.2 and the problem I'm encountering with Tomcat occurs with  > all 3 versions of the JDK. > B > This problem has to do with how Tomcat is compiling JSPs when itF > determines that a JSP is newer than the compiled version in the workK > directory, and the problem is only occurring in the Tomcat implementation ; > on OpenVMS.  This problem does not happen in other Tomcatr% > implementations on other platforms.s >n [...snip...]  J Sorry for the confusion but I didn't see this information in your previous post.a  J So when you log in interactively, can you invoke the Java compiler via theK command "javac"? I know this may seem a dumb question but this was "one" of L the problems that was happening on my system. I had to modify one of the DCLJ scripts to properly locate the Java complier. The other problem was causedK by using JRE instead of SDK. In both instances Jakarta/Tomcat couldn't findaG the compiler and whatever error message I received didn't tell me this..  
 Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge,k Ontario, Canada.8 http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/links/cool_openvms.htmlD http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/docs/csws_tips.html#supporting-java   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.491 ************************