1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 05 Sep 2004	Volume 2004 : Issue 493       Contents:: Re: Changing "DECnet Phase IV Prefix" under DECnet Phase V: Re: Changing "DECnet Phase IV Prefix" under DECnet Phase V: Re: Changing "DECnet Phase IV Prefix" under DECnet Phase V: Re: Changing "DECnet Phase IV Prefix" under DECnet Phase V/ Re: could SET DISPLAY be caching an IP address?  Re: Future of Decnet Re: I need SMC  CD for Win2000
 Kerry who? Re: Link to Itanium doc set  Re: Open Motif for VMS1 Re: Tomcat on OpenVMS - Is source code available? 1 Re: [VMS V7.3-2] PCSI INSTALL /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 12:18:16 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>C Subject: Re: Changing "DECnet Phase IV Prefix" under DECnet Phase V 2 Message-ID: <chep5e$2gn$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>  4 3270This will work, but only untill the next reboot.  > You will have to do a complete reconfiguration of your DECnet.      + Use < @sys$manager:net$configure advanced >   1 choose option 1 (Perform an entire configuration)   : After appr. 8 questions, you will get these two questions:    > * Enter PhaseIV Address                                [0.0] :> * Enter Phase IV Prefix                               [49::] :  * There you can enter the right information.  Q You also may have to change all node entries in the Local namespace if these are  3 entered with the 49:: prefix. (MC Decnet_register).   P In OSI terms the Phase IV prefix consists out of the Initial Domain Part (IDP), O and the pre-DSP field of the Domain-specific Part (DSP) if that is used. It is  N part of the OSI address as you will know, and it is placed in in front of the N area part of the OSI address (the area number has a max. value of 65535). The O IDP is in fact the unique OSI prefix for your organization, sometimes extended   with the pre-DSP part.  O In your case they used the E.613 "43" as Authority and Format Identifier (AFI)  O part of the IDP. That means they used a telephone number in the Initial Domain  Q Identifier (IDI) part of the IDP. That phonenumber should be 1-617-558-3270 (1 =   the US).   It is all so very easy :-)       In your case they used   Bradford J. Hamilton wrote: e > In article <Y1omi3Gqtcqz@eisner.encompasserve.org>, Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) writes: ? > !I have a VAX with Phase V which is not working* and an Alpha E > !with Phase V which is working.  Trying to sort out the differences L > !I note that the Phase IV Prefix on the working machine is 43:16175583270:A > !whereas the Phase IV Prefix on the not working machine is 49:.  > ! H > !(I know the working machine was configured that way for the DEC X.500I > !Directory, which requires Phase V, making it strange that it is called  > !a Phase _IV_ Prefix). > ! I > !But I cannot figure out how to change the Phase IV Prefix using either E > !the configuration utility or NCL.  Can anyone offer a suggestion ?  > !  >  > Hi Larry,  >  > SET  >  >   routing  >  >     phaseiv_prefix >  >  >          Support: All 7 >          Default: Hex 49        Value: Address prefix  > H >          Prefix for Phase IV addresses. If the characteristic phase ivH >          address is not 0.0, a DECnet area address is formed by addingC >          the area portion of the Phase IV address to this prefix. E >          You can modify this characteristic only when the entity is  >          disabled. >  > C >          set [node node-id] routing phaseiv prefix address-prefix  >  >          Example:  > , >          set routing phaseiv prefix = 49:: > I > but I have a VAX and an Alpha at home.  Both work, and both use 49 (the E > default).  I'm not sure the prefix is the cause of your problem(s).  > G > !* By "not working" I mean can SET HOST 0 but not SET HOST <nodename> E > !  itself.  There are other symptoms, but that is the most blatant.  > L > __________________________________________________________________________C > Bradford J. Hamilton                    "All opinions are my own" M > bMradAhamiPltSon-at-coMmcAast.nPeSt     "Lose the MAPS, and replace '-at-'  2 >                                          with @"   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2004 06:53:10 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) C Subject: Re: Changing "DECnet Phase IV Prefix" under DECnet Phase V 3 Message-ID: <I$$2h0v1oI0J@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <chep5e$2gn$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:   Q > In your case they used the E.613 "43" as Authority and Format Identifier (AFI)  Q > part of the IDP. That means they used a telephone number in the Initial Domain  S > Identifier (IDI) part of the IDP. That phonenumber should be 1-617-558-3270 (1 =  
 > the US).  : I had the initial "1" (in the machine, if not in my post).  F But back when I had my hands on the documentation, I certainly got the. impression that I was not to enter the dashes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 15:29:42 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>C Subject: Re: Changing "DECnet Phase IV Prefix" under DECnet Phase V 2 Message-ID: <chf4cc$eir$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:U > In article <chep5e$2gn$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  >  > Q >>In your case they used the E.613 "43" as Authority and Format Identifier (AFI)  Q >>part of the IDP. That means they used a telephone number in the Initial Domain  S >>Identifier (IDI) part of the IDP. That phonenumber should be 1-617-558-3270 (1 =  
 >>the US). >  > < > I had the initial "1" (in the machine, if not in my post). > H > But back when I had my hands on the documentation, I certainly got the0 > impression that I was not to enter the dashes.  C You're absolutely right. I just backtranslated the Phase IV prefix  @ 43:16175583270: you gave in your first post to this phonenumber.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Sep 2004 08:56:31 -0500 - From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) C Subject: Re: Changing "DECnet Phase IV Prefix" under DECnet Phase V 3 Message-ID: <G8x73PoqY3Db@eisner.encompasserve.org>   S In article <chf4cc$eir$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote:V >> In article <chep5e$2gn$1@news2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: >>   >>  R >>>In your case they used the E.613 "43" as Authority and Format Identifier (AFI) R >>>part of the IDP. That means they used a telephone number in the Initial Domain T >>>Identifier (IDI) part of the IDP. That phonenumber should be 1-617-558-3270 (1 =  >>>the US).  >>   >>  = >> I had the initial "1" (in the machine, if not in my post).  >>  I >> But back when I had my hands on the documentation, I certainly got the 1 >> impression that I was not to enter the dashes.  > E > You're absolutely right. I just backtranslated the Phase IV prefix  B > 43:16175583270: you gave in your first post to this phonenumber.  % Yes, that is my company phone number.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 08:20:36 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)8 Subject: Re: could SET DISPLAY be caching an IP address?; Message-ID: <413ab034.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@teksavvy.com) wrote:L > there is tcpip$bind_server_control.exe as well as nsupdate. Not suse which/ > one allows you to either invalidate an entry.   D nsupdate is a utility to manually update Dynamic DNS (DDNS) servers.   cu,    Martin --  ;    OpenVMS @ 25      | Martin Vorlaender  |  OpenVMS rules! .                      | work: mv@pdv-systeme.deA    Still exceeding   |   http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ 5    expectations      | home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 11:17:21 +0200  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: Future of Decnet 2 Message-ID: <chelj6$61c$1@news5.tilbu1.nb.home.nl>   JF Mezei wrote:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >  > D >>Depending on how you measure efficiency LAT is much less efficient/ >>than CTERM (the SET HOST protocol in DECnet).  >  > R > Can someone explain this statement ? In what way would CTERM be more efficient ?  H  From the good old PDP11 I remember that you could have 4 (or with some P reconfiguration 8) CTERM connections. In contrast, you could have dozens of LAT 9 connections. It may depend on how you measure efficiency.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:41:44 +0100< From: "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk>' Subject: Re: I need SMC  CD for Win2000 6 Message-ID: <413afb6f$0$22756$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk>  6 "Jack Peacock" <peacock@simconv.com> wrote in message , news:D4Sdnap-tfO89KfcRVn-iQ@mpowercom.net...J > "Alex Daniels" <AlexNOSPAMTHANKSDaniels@themail.co.uk> wrote in message 2 > news:413a39bd$0$22763$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk...L >> Compaq Deskpro's do NOT have Alpha CPUs in them, so your response to Tom , >> is incorrect. He is right to question hp. >>K >> Admitted however, I have seen many of the Deskpros (that are being used  M >> as SMCs),  like Tom is referring to, residing inside the GS160/320s cabs,  ! >> but still they are not Alphas.  >>L > Mea culpa, I don't use Compaq/HP PCs, all I noticed was the CD label with  > an Alpha part number.  > I > May still be a related problem.  If the software on the Alpha side was  I > never upgraded past NT level SMB support then it may well be an orphan  M > system in that the PC side has to stay at NT to work with the Alpha.  Look  K > at the Pathworks situation, there was no upward compatibility.  Each new  I > Windows server version Pathworks had to be replaced with a new version  M > too, and even then it was only a minimal patch to make the errors go away.  L > It sure sounds like a deadend SMC is collateral damage from the demise of  > Win2000 Alpha. > M > What protocols does SMC use?  A better question, why does the PC side have  I > to be moved to Win2000 if it breaks the sole purpose of its existence,  H > managing the Alpha?  Is it joined to a Win2K domain?  Has anyone ever G > upgraded to Win2000 in this environment?  HP may still be correct in   > claiming no upgrade exists.  >  Jack Peacock   = The SMC boxes are primarily used to run TECSys' ConsoleWorks.    The following document...   L http://www.tditx.com/pdf/01-CWK02000SoftwareProductDescription01-26-2004.pdf  J ..indicates for windows, it should be run on 'MS Windows 2000 or greater'.  K I would imagine the problem is more likely to be, hp don't wish to pay for  C the ms windows upgrade and/or ConsoleWorks upgrade for Tom's SMC's.   L At one of my customers sites' I have ditched all the SMC boxes in favour of J a VMS solution, conceptually I prefer not to rely on windows being up and 9 available to have complete management of my VMS consoles.    Alex     ------------------------------  , Date: Sun,  5 Sep 2004 09:00:03 +0200 (CEST)% From: Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>  Subject: Kerry who? 8 Message-ID: <ac924a1a1d56db21c31b720479eff339@dizum.com>  C On Monday night, the Republicans were having their party, so I had  G mine. I gathered friends -- New Yorkers, San Franciscans and one stray   Angelino --   H for cocktails, snacks and a chance to observe the political system from G the relative safety of a Manhattan living room. We put boring speeches  D on mute, but jacked up the sound when John McCain and Rudy Giuliani  took the stage.   ' A typical conversation went like this:    G Guest A: Ohmygod. Bush screwed McCain so hard in the 2000 primary, why   is he kissing Bush's butt?     Guest B: Pass the vodka.    D Guest A: I mean George W. all but called him an insane Vietnam vet.    Guest B: Pass the vodka.    = Guest A: And you know McCain is personal friends with Kerry.    @ Guest B to Guest C: Can you pass the vodka? This is giving me a 
 headache.   H The guests seem stunned by, but impressed with, the ability of the Bush > campaign to take people who have never shown much personal or H ideological affinity for President Bush (and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger = would fall among these) and turn them into Zombies-for-Bush.    F Near the end of the night's broadcast, I took a poll. How many people   thought Kerry was going to win?   E The room contained liberal and Democratic voters of different races,  E national origins, incomes, professions and generations. Not a single   solitary one raised a hand.   H My stomach did a little flip-flop. I'd underestimated the depth of John G F. Kerry's problem, his lack, to quote a phrase from the Bush I years,  H of the "vision thing." No one can win the presidency without mobilizing E the base, and Kerry's base, uninspired and dispirited, is weakening.  H Along with the Republican convention, this week's big political news is D a series of shakeups in the Kerry campaign, a last-ditch attempt to < correct course. It's now or never. Or to quote another Bush  phrase, "bring it on."      H ######################################################################## ######################  M I watched President Bush&#8217;s acceptance speech tonight at a sushi bar on  ? the Lower East Side with a group of reporters from a prominent  E Washington, D.C.-based publication. The whole time: heckling. Every.  
 Single. Line.   I Now, we&#8217;ve all seen the polls (or read about them) where the press  B corps routinely leans Democratic by a factor of about ten-to-one.  Still, it was a bit shocking.   F It was a little like Mystery Science Theater 3000, but with reporters  instead of robots.  N Every line of the speech, every item on Bush&#8217;s laundry list of domestic E candy (yuck, too sweet), they had something snide to say. More money  H for community colleges? Somehow not good enough. Education? Bush sucks -H - and any school showing improvement under No Child Left Behind is just 8 fudging its numbers. Iraq? Don&#8217;t get them started.  I Now, who knows. Maybe these folks aren&#8217;t writing on the acceptance  D speech (probably not, since we all ended up at a lounge later a few M blocks away, talking politics), but it shows just where they&#8217;re coming  H from in any other story they do. Could Bush get fair treatment from any Y of these people? I don&#8217;t know, but I&#8217;d be surprised. One guy&#8217;s posture  B during the entire speech was like that of a boxer, waiting for an F opening. Nothing Bush said -- not even his declaring a workers&#8217; ' revolution -- could have impressed him.   ' OK, nobody there was quite a Communist.   G But they were all pretty closed-minded. I really hope I'm a bit fairer- A minded than they were. Did I listen to John Kerry&#8217;s speech  L thinking, "Hmmm... That&#8217;s an interesting point"? No. Of course not. I K didn&#8217;t, however, feel the need to heckle -- the need to hate him the    way that these people hate Bush.  P I&#8217;ve said it before, but I&#8217;ll say it again: Bush-hatred is far, far & stronger than Clinton-hatred ever was.  F The punch line here, however, is this: Everyone at the table expected 2 Bush to win. No anger. No denial. Just acceptance.    H ######################################################################## #######################    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:34:11 GMT ! From: Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> $ Subject: Re: Link to Itanium doc set8 Message-ID: <j9nlj0lgv3b7ioodfltphuvib92jhkki9h@4ax.com>  C On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 18:31:03 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:   ] >In article <6kujj0d2sep2rt921pk19j4l0o5d8i6u54@4ax.com>, Nigel Barker <nigel@hp.com> writes: E >>On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 16:53:19 GMT, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  >>3 >>>There's not doc on the DVD or CD for the 8.2 FT.  >>> B >>>Is there a set on the HP web site?  If so, anybody have a link? >>1 >>http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/os82ft_index.html  > / >What page (where) on HP's site held this link?   5 It's easily found from the other link that I gave you N http://www.hp.com/products1/evolution/alpha_retaintrust/openvms/resources.html click on the 'Products' tab.   -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:26:42 +0200 0 From: Keith Cayemberg <keith.cayemberg@arcor.de> Subject: Re: Open Motif for VMS A Message-ID: <413abfb3$0$8804$9b4e6d93@newsread2.arcor-online.net>    Mark Smith wrote:  > Hi Group,  > 4 > Has anyone compiled Open Motif (2.2) for Open VMS? > A > I wish to compile and use Open Motif on Open VMS 7.3.  I have a F > program I wish to port from Mac OSX that uses Open Motif libraries. B > Some of the widgets that I am using are not available in the DEC > Windows supplied by HP.  > G > If so are they are command procedures available to assist in building 
 > Open Motif.  >  > Thanks >  >  > Mark   Hi Mark,  ( have you read the Open Motif FAQ here...  + http://www.opengroup.org/openmotif/faq.html   I The source code for Open Motif is exactly the same as for the commercial  C Motif from the Open Group. The only difference being the licensing  H terms. So technically, it appears the commercial Motif for OpenVMS from D HP is already a port of a specific version of the Open Motif source H code. There have in the past been various discussions in COV of missing ; features and widgets which have not been ported to OpenVMS.   I Open Motif and it's source code are only released for use on Open Source  $ operating systems as defined here...  4 http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition_plain.html  I Although it is possible to purchase "most" of the OpenVMS source code on  F CD-ROM, it is not clear to me the OpenVMS qualifies as an Open Source H operating systems as defined there. The "Open" in OpenVMS of course has  nothing to do with open source.   F I have been investigating the OpenVMS Applications Market for several ? years, but I have never encountered a release or port of Motif  G independent of that provided by DEC/Compaq/HP. I have also never heard  G of anyone independently attempting to compile the Motif source code on   OpenVMS before you.    Cheers!    Keith Cayemberg    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:35:45 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>: Subject: Re: Tomcat on OpenVMS - Is source code available?: Message-ID: <XBE_c.69595$N11.69314@bignews5.bellsouth.net>   Craig A. Berry wrote:   ; > In article <won_c.93166$_h.57765@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, . >  Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com> wrote: >  > L >>Ultimately, I think that a classpath is not being set properly during JSP D >>compilation and this is leading to the problem that I've observed. >  > ; > Have you by any chance read the release notes located at:  > K > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws_java_relnotes_ 	 > 21.html  > G > especially the section entitled, "JSP examples do not run under Java   > 1.4.0-1" ? > A > Just a guess on my part, but it sounds similar to what you are  G > describing.  The workaround described there is to define the logical    > apache$jakarta_user_classpath.  D Yes, it does sound similar and I have already tried the work around K mentioned in those release notes.  However, the work around doesn't remedy   the problem in this case.   F I observe the problem happening with JDK v1.3.1, v1.4.1  v1.4.2.  The H release notes also seem to indicate that the problem the work around is M supposed to remedy is present only with JDK v1.4.0-1, which is a version I'm  
 not using.  L If anybody from OpenVMS engineering is following this thread, I'm more than L willing to provide the WAR file needed to deploy my test webapp on a Tomcat M server so that the problem can be duplicated in a test environment.  I would  K very much like to make sure that my "sanity check" doesn't "bounce", so to  M speak, and have some confirmation from another source that the behavior that  5 I'm encountering can be reproduced on another system.      --   Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp (at) rtfmcsi (dot) com http://www.rtfmcsi.com  @ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax Greer, SC  29651  , Do not send me unsolicited commercial email.   ------------------------------  * Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 11:10:22 +0000 (UTC)6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: [VMS V7.3-2] PCSI INSTALL /SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA1 Message-ID: <newscache$mqek3i$k171$1@news.sil.at>   j In article <newscache$on7f3i$y0v1$1@news.sil.at>, peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER) writes:H >With the last ECOs I installed (VMS732_HBMM, VMS732_TRACE, VMS732_F11X)F >I noticed that this has changed now and no such question is asked but >a different warning appears:   G As you may have already seen, VMS732_HBMM is currently on hold. I don't I think, that this PCSI behaviour is the reason. Other ECOs are not held...   H >Is there a logical to make /SAVE_RECOVERY_MODE default (like I did with >PCSI$LOG and PCSI$TRACE) ?   H I so far found only a PCSI$$SAVE_RECOVERY_DATA (note: 2 dollars not one)M logical which is more picky on the translation (TRUE gives error, YES works).    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2004.493 ************************